two of the 24 of these religious beings that they stood to lose, objects they believe are spiritual objects and living things. they lost two. but they seem very thrilled to have 22 of them saved much to their sur price. cloak and daerg, super top secret, altruism. that its the best new thing in the world. now time for the lawrence, the last word with lawrence o'donnell. sorry, have a great night. republicans don't want to shut down the government again. but they do want to shut down governing. >> the president hasn't signed the bipartisan budget deal yet. >> we are officially done with any real negotiations. >> a fight to fix it. >> let's be realistic. >> we have income inequality. >> we need to make working families our highest priority. >> of the budget is the minimum. >> this is about obstruction. >> republicans, and have moved

so far to the right. congress at 9%. an effect of that. >> they don't like the deals. they don't like compromise. >> the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the middle-class is getting squeezed. >> republicans have moved so far to the right. >> there is no free lunch. >> jack kingston. >> thinks low income students. >> should work for their school lunch. >> how do you balance politics with the legacy. >> increasingly dim prospects. i am skeptical. >> uncompromising congress. this is some new era of bipartisanship. >> mid election year. >> smelt coffee. >> we have got to give the working families a fighting chance to survive. >> the world is changing. the 2010 elections don't govern anymore. cooperation on capitol hill between republicans, democrats. is over. it happened like this. >> madam president, at this time

i would ask unanimous consent that the senate proceed to consideration of calendar number 265, with no intervening action or debate. >> is there objection? >> madam president? >> the senator, republican whip? >> madam president, unfortunate that the senate schedule is chock-full of pending cloture motions controversial or nonurgent nominations. so i would -- ask the senator to -- to amend this consent request. to say the pending cloture motions on nominations be withdrawn. >> senate majority leader, harry reid went to twitter do plain what just happened. republicans are holding unemployment insurance extension hostage to an unreasonable demand that we withdraw all pending votes on nominations first.

senator mcconnell claims we're pushing nonessential nominees wrong. the heads of air force, dhs, and fed, are essential. let's do our job. congress is finishing this year. le less popular than a cockroach. mindless knee jerk obstruction from republicans is exactly why. republicans are angry they cannot add amendments to the bill extending unemployment insurance on the floor. congress missed the dead loline extend benefits for unemployed americans. the bill to extend unemployment insurance has a republican and democratic sponsor, democrat jack reid of rhode island. republican, dean heller from nevada to. day, senator shumer gave this warning. awe off the e >> of the extension of unemployment benefits will be the next test in the fight between the hard right and

mainstre mainstre mainstream conservatives in the republican party. the tectonic plates of our politics are changing. because the declean of mine in has overtaken the deficit as nument we number one facing our political economy today. issues like job creation, minimum wage, and unemployment insurance are going to weigh on the mind of voters far more than obamacare. by the time the 2014 elections roll around. >> joining me now, eugene robinson, of "the washington post," david corn of mother jones. most contributors. >> gene, this is fascinating. procedural moves on the senate floor. it used to be a place of of routine. never did a leader ask for unanimous consent on anything and not get it. because the it was prewired. they had figured it out. and the senate, did most of its business unanimously.

who came up with this routine? was it you. you were -- >> well, you know, harry reid has been quietly grinding out these nomination confirmations. using up the clock. republicans are forcing him to do that. take is a long time to get each done. makes them more precious. so, the republican tuesday thought they had a way of stopping him from doing more of these nominations. by saying, you want to move off to unemployment. okay. pull away. all of these nominations. you already have in the procedural pipeline here. harry reid didn't want to do that. >> he doesn't want to do that. >> including chairman of the federal reserve. serious stuff there. >> these are not nonessential jobs. not nonurgent jobs. in fact, ben bernanke is out of here, right. you need a head of fed. we need the heads of the other agencies. you know, what happened to comity, and a couple weeks ago, right?

>> actually, you have, i think, heartening to see, dean heller from nevada is sponsoring the unemployment bill. in some ways it seems to me we argue about the senate rules and how they get slow things down look they do today. we live in a 24/7, nano second by nano second world. the rule, everything has to have 30 hours of def babate. the world is moving faster than it did when it came into being. when you were back in the senate. seems look we should have a whole overhaul of how the senate does business. we pave the guys to work. if they want to block things through a film buster have enough votes to do it. fine. dragging things out. delaying things, there is stuff to beef done.

wheth -- stuff off to be done. it seems anachronistic. not cooling the cup anymore. like, they used to say. it is just making, just clogging up the pipes. >> there has the to be time for senators who arrive by horse and buggy. >> yes, exactly right. what it does is draw attention to the fact that they have not extended the unemployment benefits. the weird thing, itch the republicans let the vote go in the senate. it wouldn't change anything. the house wouldn't do anything. so the republican senators could have let it go quietly. instead they make a big chin stink. >> what are they going to gain out of it. not quite sure what, what the potential gain is. we know mitch mcconnell and the primary challenge from the tea party wing. he has to be kind of right on these issues or far right on

these, use. but he could have his vote. let the thing go through. >> i actually think that there has been an ideological shift. not just because -- worry about primaries. when you have rand paul out there saying, listen, if you give people more than 26 weeks. it hurts them. and they don't go looking for jobs. and this patronizing, condescending view towards the unemployed which was always there. i think it has become kind of the majority position. it's what paul ryan was talking about in his speech at the convention last year. so, it's not just -- you know -- matter of what, makes sense politically. i think idea logically, they are against, not all of them, but a lot of them are against helping americans in this fashion. >> when you have a republican co-sponsor in the senate. it is very clear this would pass. awe off it would pass. >> if you could let it go to a vote. john mccain said something today.

encapsulated his frustrations about it. let's listen to this. >> so now i am sure those on the other side they aren't going to go out and say, oh, the republicans. look at them. they won't agree to extension of unemployment insurance. won't you let us have an amendment, won't you at least let us have debate and volt on an amendment. some of of think the program could be improved. to help those who are unemployed. no, the way the senate run tuesday. it is either take it or leave it. i have some sympathies for the position. harry reid, structured this. they can't offer an amendment. because of what harry reid has been through with the guys on everything else. it shoes to be you could offer amendments to everything in the senate because the -- these amendments were not trying to be procedurally prohibitive. what they do now. >> how many appeal obama care amendments do you think would be

attached to unemployment insurance. you know? >> well -- if you look at -- you know where the obstructionism began. it's really clear, i mean, i almost feel john mccain's pain. >> that's my position. >> of it became clear. you don't feel like a kindergartn kindergartner. you started it. you started it again and again. you did it with executive and judicial nominations. and, the republicans have broken new ground. and so, harry reid has tried it. especially as time runs out to streamlines things, run things through. this is where you are, john mccain. get your party to be reasonable. democrats have shown again and again. some times to our disliking. they're willing to compromise and cut deals, liberals and progressions don't always like you. don't steep that on the other side. >> gets the last word on this one. gene, i would like you to hang around. i am sure, you are a big duck fan. never miss it. >> if you are like me you have

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>> i am upset at the exclusionary policies that we have in place. and weep mu must change the pol. i will not give up the fight. i am still a minister in my heart. and i will continue to minister, i will continue to be a voice for the lgbt community. >> that pennsylvania pastor has been defrocked by united methodist church for refusing to change his view. reverend frank schaeffer had been on a 30 day suspension for officiating at his son's same sex ceremony. he was ordered to stop performing same sex weddings or turn in credentials. the bishop of the eastern conference said in a statement, reverend schaeffer met with the board of ordained ministry and declared he is not willing or able to uphold the laws of the book of discipline in its

entirety in the future as required by the trial courts verdict. when asked to surrender credentials as required, he refused to do so. therefore the board was compelled by the jury's decision to deem his credentials surrendered. joining me now for a last word exclusive, frank schaeffer and his son tim. reverend, when you did this, did you realize that you were going to be in -- in such direct contradiction to your church's position on the subject? yes, actually i did know that at the time. back in 2007. performed the wedding. i expected repercussion. i was ready to be defrocked or be fired back then. i let my superiors know about it. never heard a thing about it until earlier this year when one of my parishioners actually

filed against me. tim, when your father was able to preside at your wedding i'm sure that was a wonderful, important element of the wedding. were you worried about his future? of course it was one of the most difficult decisionize have ever made mine life. i knew the position i was putting him in of course. he could lose his career. his calling, really. and that would be devastating. but i also knew on the other hand. if i didn't ask him. he would have been devastated he hadn't been able to participate in a really, mow moan us day for me. really important day for me. >> reverend, explain the methodist church position on this. as i understand it, the methodist church is accepting of gay parishioners. but they reject as many christian church members do, the actual practice of homosexuality. they object to anyone actually having gay sex. and of course, object to

same-sex marriage? >> absolutely. and also in addition to the two things we mentioned. it is not -- allowed for -- homosexual people to become ordained ministers. that really puts our homosexual brothers and sisters who were created by god to be homosexual in a very, very precarious light. we treat them as a church denomination as second-class christians. we certainly are discriminating against them in many, many ways. to me the worst of it is when they're being told that, their actions of love, their expressions of love, are actually deemed sinful by the church. i can't even imagine what that's like as a homosexual christian, to be told that. it must really throw them into, inner turmoil. it is just not right. that is some times what i refer to as hate speech by the church. even though they've don't

intend, it to be a hate speech. but it comes across as that. to our homosexual brothers and sisters. >> tim, you got past the wedding with absolutely no problems as your father has told us. now here we are years later. finally some one filed a complaint about it. and the worst you feared has actually happened. how does that feel for you today? it makes me feel partially responsible. this is something that my dad has done for me. and while -- this has been a horrible ordeal for the family. very painful. especially for my father. i am really proud of my dad. from the beginning of the whole process. he stuck to his convictions. he had several opportunities -- to promise to never do another gay wedding. he saw this as an opportunity to talk about the issue, bring about change and stick with the

lgbt community. >> reverend, do you believe that the methodist church is misinterpreting the mission of the methodist church here somehow. and that they is time for the methodist church to evolve into an accepting possession of this. do you think there is, you could find, dock turnl just fi skags for th -- doctornal justification for that? >> the church is evolving. there are so many people who expressed their support for me. and what i've have been doing in the last several months. all united methodists are saying "you are doing the right thing. we believe in you. keep doing what you are doing." many lgbt members of our church have contacted me. hundreds. sharing their painful stories with me. i am saying it is absolutely time to rethink and to

reinterpret some of these, you know, scriptural passages we keep quoting. you know times are changing. we no longer believe in a flat earth, right? that is actually part of the old testament too. so now we know that -- homosexuality is no longer a choice. why don't we change our position on that as well. we have to. >> reverend. i know you have the gratitude of millions of people for having done this and taking this stand. most important leap you have your son's gratitude. frank and tim schaeffer. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for having us. >> coming up -- why a duck dynasty star got fired for saying something that almost half of america believes including by the way, the methodist church believes it as we just learned. uf jean rob

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>> in the spotlight tonight, the lame-duck. >> so the future of the a & e hit show, duck dynasty is uncertain after one of the show's stars was suspended after making inflammatory remarks about gays and african-americans in an interview with "gq." compared homosexuality to beastiality and suggested african-americans were happier precivil rights.

>> some have come out in his defense. >> saying in a statement, the politically correct crowd is tolerant of all view points, except those they disagree with. i remember when tv networks believed in the first amendment. >> former alaska governor, sarah palin, palin posted this picture with the dynasty cast, those intolerants, hating and taking on the duck dynasty patriarch for personal opinion are taking on all of us. >> here are the comments that led to phil robertson's suspension. it seems like to me a vagina as a man would be more desirable than a man's anus, that's just me. i'm thinking there is more there, she has more to offer. i mean, come on, dudes you. know what i'm saying. but hey, sin, it's not logical, my man, it's just not logical. then, robertson goes on to explain what he considers to be sinful. start with homosexual behavior

and just morph out from there. beastiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. in the statement explaining the indefinite hiatus, the a & e network said his personal views in no way reflect those of a & e networks, strong supporters and champions of the lgbt community. of course there was no reason for anyone, at a & e or for anyone in america to be surprised that phil robertson believes that gay sex is sinful. most republican candidates for president believe that. and are willing to say that when asked about it. the belief that gay sex is sinful is held by 45% of americans. it is a very common religious belief in this country and used to be the predominant religious belief in the country held by

most americans. a & e has absolutely no objection to phil robertson's attempt to rewrite american history in a very important way. this has the nothing to do with belief. this as it but fact. historical fact. robertson like many white southerners who lived through the worst crimes against humanity, that the southern state local governments and police departments committed against black people, likes to pretend that those were the good old days for black people in america. in the same interview that got him in trouble with his network, for offering the commonly held religious american view that gay sex is sinful, robertson also said he saw this growing up in louisiana. in the 1950s, and 1960s. i never with my eyes saw the mistreatment of any black person not once. where we lived was all farmers.

the blacks worked for the farmers. i hoed cotton with them. i'm with the blacks. because we are white trash. we are going across the field, they're singing, happy. i never heard one of them, one black person say, i tell you what, these dog gone white people. not a word. preentitlement, prewelfare. you say were they happy? they were godly. they were happy. no one was singing the blues. >> just for the record, a & e viewers who might not know this, it was not prewelfare. welfare was created by the federal government more than 10 years before phil robertson was bofrnlt here is a sample of the things that happened in the south when phil robertson was growing up there that he and everyone in the country bore witness to through the news media. he was 9 years old when emma

till was tortured and murdered for allegedly whistling at a white woman. phil robertson was 15 years old when the 16th street baptist church was bombed in birmingham, alabama. and phil robertson was 18 years old when civil rights workers, were murdered by the ku klux klan in mississippi. but phil robertson wants you to remember a happy-go-lucky life in the south. for black people in those days who sang while they picked cotton and never sang the blues. joining me now, msnbc's joy reid and back with us eugene robinson. eugene, you group in the south. lived through the years. and, listen, i think, there is a lot of revisionist history

pushed out there intentionally. and in this guy's case not so consciously about those were the good old days. >> this makes me tear out what is left of my hair. i've get it, drove me crazy when haley barber if you recall, came up with his revisionist view of the snunny south. the ku klux klan in a suit. they would play a constructive role. everything was fine. there was no problem with race in miss miss. in the 60s. this is the same thing. the happy negros in the field. unbelievable. he would have been in his 20s when three black students were shot dead. unarmed black students were shot dead by state troopersen my hometown of orangeberg, south carolina, during a demonstration over a seg bowling alley. >> he was in his 20s when martin luther king was assassinated.

your rehakttiaction to the stat? >> it is stunning to hear it because of it being 2013. at the time during the 1960s, polls at the time showed a bare majority of whites believed there was equal opportunity in american society for blacks and whites. right? a bubble that a lot of white americans in south lived in at the time. as far as they know. they had little contact. african-americans in their normal daily social life. as far as they knew everything was fine. it was fine for them. sort of an unreconstructed southern view of his region senate was actually fairly common at the time. a lot of whites saw him as annaan agitator. until the aggressors came in and ruined everything. a lot of the argument made by eastland, senators from the

south. you are disruption our happy region with your northern idea about the way we should run our lives. that isn't surprising. what is surprising and always is surprising, lawrence. people on the right, constitutional scholars. they don't get it. you said it before on the show. seems like it is said all the time. the first amendment doesn't guarantee the right to say what you want. and have an employer go for it. his first amendment rights are not being vie late e violated b people object >> i remember when tv networks believe in the first amendment. tv net works have never believed in the first amendment. i can prove tight you right here. by using some of the language i would use outside of the, the range of the microphone. phil robertson issued a statement written by handlers.

if you read the k"gq" article h is not mentally capable of putting one of the statements together. i am a product of the 60s. centered my life around sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll and accepted jeep sus. -- accepted jeep sus. my mission is to follow christ and also what the bible teaches and part of that teaching is that women. we are all created by the al mighty and like him, i love all of humanity. phil robertson. i love all of humanity. okay. we would all be better off if we loved god and loved each other. gene, it strikes me as absolutely absurd. that the a & e knelt works. is getting rid of some one because he said something that 45% of america believes. they believe it within their religious teachings. >> if that's the reason -- i think you make an argument.

what he says the statement, honorable, one of the words. in my experience. go home to orangeberg and went to what had been the white high school in orangeberg. look, they, they, they don't delude themselves anymore. even if they did. at one point. but they, you know -- they saw -- black people using the other -- water fountains and the other restrooms. and not being allowed on the playground. they no longer harbor this revisionist fantasy of happy negros in the field. it is just not. and so that is just a ridiculous thing to believe in this day and age. and even more ridiculous thing to say. >> joy, i just want to go on

record in this segment, as never having supported the firing or suspending of any one from any job, for what they say. you know, there are reasons to do it. and usually, knelt wonetworks o this based on business decisions what they think. a & e, depend on advertising. what they think is the impact on the business. so, it's fascinating to me -- that the -- the business element of this -- that scares them the most, its actually something that is such a commonly held view. in america. and as i said, it its a vis a vd by most candidates for president, gay sex is indeed a sin. >> having never watched duck dynasty. not in the demo. i am with you on the issue, lawrence. at the same time. probably more than 45% of the audience, just guessing that watches duck dynasty. >> about 120. >> right. not even as if the belief that,

that he is going to be seen as controversial by the people who watch duck dynasty. i am with you on that. or african-americans who are wistful for the days before and messed up the south. this is sort of the mystery of corporate america. they're doing it for their own reasons. and, the people on the right, who are, are really, you know coming to mr. robertson's defense, standing behind him. i suspect he is now going to be an even bigger star on the right. he is going to come out okay. he be came their new big hero. >> eugene robinson. go ahead quickly. >> that may be a slight misreading joy of the audience. the awed jns mudience may be brn the dem graphic that would agree. from that standpoint. i don't think there is a lot of

african-americans watching this show, on a & e. >> one thing about the net works. they have the research. they know who their audience is. >> down to the decimal point. >> gene. >> jimmy: all -- and joy, none s having seen duck dine streeynad. a swing at hillary clinton over the old iraq war vote. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics...

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find an iphone under the christmas tree or just get some candy, hear about those kids in malawi, whose biggest hope is a bar of soap, and they connect instantly to that need. that's why the heroic cub sko i pack was able to perform the miracle this year of raising $18,067.75 for the k.i.n.d. fund to help kids their age in africa whose need are greater than theirs will ever be. those 14 cub scouts know that they will always have desks in their schools, they will always have soap in their homes, and n now they're grateful for those things and feel responsible to reach out a helping hand across an ocean to kids who don't have those things. on facebook, sheila hamilton wrote. my children never had to think about a desk. just made a donation in their names. >> mary christine andrews, just

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amount you like. if you can contribute $10. that will be combined with contributions and help us deliver a desk or pay a girl's tuition fees. and $10 will buy a lot of soap in malawi. on facebook. brenda reader told us i donated to the kind fund for two desks and one girl's scholarship. my husband asked what i wanted for christmas. the only thing i could think of. i can just imagine the kids sitting at the desks. when the girl find out that someone in the world cared enough about her to send her to school, it brings tears to my eyes. educate a girl and you educate many generations to come. >> you know, brenda, when i first read your post it almost brought tears to my eyes. the simple fact that brenda and i have connected on this so completely that we both see this

exactly the same way. and that thousand and thousand of you react to kids in need of desks exactly the way i do, always, is deeply moving to me. at our website, thelastword.msnbc.com where you can always find a way to contribute to the kind fund all year long. mary holmes wrote, lawrence, i just baltimore a desk. i was a teacher. i know desks are not merely furniture they're a learning tool because they give physical structure where, which increases concentration and therefore, learning. i love watching the children sing. they show pure joy. and a low sex drive,

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i think we both are clean freaks. i used to scrub the floor on my knees. [ daughter ] i've mastered the art of foot cleaning. oh, boy. oh, boy. oh, boy. [ carmel ] that drives me nuts. it gives me anxiety just thinking about how crazy they get. [ doorbell rings ] [ daughter ] oh, wow. [ carmel ] swiffer wetjet. you guys should try this. it's so easy. oh, my. [ gasps ] i just washed this floor. if i didn't see it i wouldn't believe it. [ carmel ] it did my heart good to see you cleaning. [ regina ] yeah, your generation has all the good stuff. [ daughter ] oh, yeah. >> the question that we have is will it be the hillary that lead the progressives or the hillary that says, i'm already going to win the democratic nomination.

and so i can shift hard right on day one. we can't afford any more hard right. >> a democrat and former two-term governor of montana is continuing to go after hillary clinton. the latest came last night. during a speech in iowa. >> egyptians who call themselves al qaeda who weren't welcome in iraq. and george bush got a bunch of democrats to vet to go to the war. i was shaking my head in montana. >> senator hillary clinton was one of 29 democratic senators to vet to authorize the war in iraq. he went on to say, the reason he was in iowa was to ask voters to "pick the leaders who are not going to make those mistakes." joining me now is the host of msbc's "disrupt" analyst and former hillary clinton staffer.

karen, i am trying to figure this out. the iraq war vote will be 15 years old by the time the presidential campaign begins. 16 years old in the actual election year. its that vote going to still carry weight at that point? >> i don't really think so. i have to tell you i was scratching my head when i saw that too. thinking maybe, does former governor not realize what year it is. at this point wem are more concerned about getting our troops out of afghanistan. and certainly as of this week, you know, making good on our promises to our veterans in terms of the pension conversation we have been having around the budget. i don't think that's going to be, have the same kind of, fire, for people, that it did. certainly in a place like iowa. i imagine they wanted to hear what are your idea for the economy. >> the thing about the vote though is it was the most important vote of her senate career and it was the last war vote -- war authorizing vote

that has been cast in the country. so it is there. it's certainly couldn't have the potency that it had in 2007, 2008. i just, i really do genuinely find it hard to predict it as a factor. >> that's exactly right, lawrence. i think the other thing to remember, if hillary clinton decide to run. which we don't know if she will. >> come on. come on on this show she is running. she is running. >> for you i will say, so great to my dad last night at the holiday party. but i think, the point of it is, she has also got a very good answer for why. and either you agreen with it or you disagree. the point is something looking that that is so old, just pure politics. if you are asked the question and you have a good answer, that's sort of the end of it for a lot of voters. again i think particularly at a time when it is far more likely talking income inequality. and the economy. and jobs. the sort of last several years of, republican cuckoo caucus

than we will the iraq vote. not that it may not be important to some voters. i don't think it is again going to have the same kind of potency that it did back then. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. republicans close out their year on capitol hill, suddenly invested with a new sense of swagger and braggadocio. everywhere you look, republicans are threatening fights to come. the price democrats will have to pay, for example, for a debt ceiling extension early next year. >> i doubt if the house or for