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care act. we will talk about how that's going. it's a big decision sonia soto so mayor face, there is talk of big move. in the weeks ahead, the arrangement to get iran to give up its nuclear program. they have plans to implement mean, tougher sanctions, it will ruin the best chance the u.s. has had in decades to curb iran's nuclear ambitions. maybe, just maybe, restore actual diplomatic relations. and the minimum wage, we heard a lot about it in 2013. we are going to hear a lot more about it this year. could this be the wedge issue the democrats feed to buck history, especially in red states and fair well in the 2014 mid-terms. we will talk about all that. we will talk about a lot more this morning, but first, starting march of 2010. when president obama signed the affordable care act into law. back then the year of full implementation 2014 this year, well, that year seemed very far

away. ei mean, who could predict that futuristic landscape was going to look like back then. there were going to be moon counties, cities filled with driverless cars all steered by robot brains, kids motoring around on hover boards. okay. okay. that was actually isaac writing about it 15 years ago in the new york times. the last one was back to the future, 2, they were talking about the year 20 trooen 15. so technically, we don't have to give up on that yet. scientist, you have a year to get those hover boards into wide circulation. we will be keeping an eye on it. anyway, yes, in 2010, the year 2014 seemed far away. very far away. it would be a long time before the affordable caring a would go into full effect. on wednesday, new year's day, we finally got there. the american system of health care changed profoundly t. most significant and expansive change since the introduction of medicare back in 1965 is nearly a half century ago. it used to be the health

insurance industry could deny people with pre-existing medical conditions or make the cost of policies so high they weren't worth buying. you can't do that anymore. the affordable care act is basically a bargain between the insurance industry and the government. the bargain holds insurers can't deny people with pre-existing conditions anymore. it means they can't charge women more than men. they can't cap medical expenses imposed over a lifetime. they can't do a lot of things that have made life miserable for millions of americans and have given the health insurance industry a nasty reputation. the other side of the bargain is this, in exchange for doing away with those practices, practices that were awful but they were also very profitable, the insurance industry was given a shot at getting millions of new customers. kind of customers health insurance companies dream of getting, young, healthy, not likely to need a lot of care for a long time. the kind of customers will make it possible for insurers to cover all of those americans they previously deemed too

expensive to cover. that's the bargain at the heart of this law. the reason for the individual mandate that ruled that every american has to sign up for insurance or face some kind of a fine. it's a bargain that will only work if enough government and healthy people sign up. if more and more insurance companies look at the law and say, hey, there is money to be made here. they decide to get in on it. they lower the prices, the competitors lower the price, that's how it's supposed to work. new year brings with it many questions about the future of this law. president obama's 60 achievement. it also brought fresh and encouraging numbers, we now know that more than 6 million americans, many who didn't have health insurance before now have coverage under the affordable care act. >> that went into effect this week on earnings of those 6 million, approximately 2.1 million, that's about a third of them signed up for private plans under the new state-based exchanges. many of them using healthcare.gov t. site that caused the white house so many headaches back in november, it now seems to be working pretty

well. add to that another 3.9 people who have gotten offage through medicaid or s-chip, a health insurance program for kids run by the states. is a number that can be much higher if republicans in so many states hasn't refused to expand their medicaid programs, even though the affordable care act offers them a huge financial incentive to do so. there are 6 million people, many who didn't have health ens who now have a means for paying for the doctor's visit es when they get sick. that's not the only new development to the affordable care act. just before she was on time midnight wednesday, supreme court justice sonia sotomayor issued an injunction from going into effect for a handful of catholic non-profits. these non-profits object to covering birth control on religious grounds t. affordable

caring a, all insurance plans are required to cover contraception, except for churches and religious groups. they are catholic universities and hospitals have the option of letting ploy yes, sir go wage to their insurers to get contraceptive coverage instead. all the group has to do is fill out a waiver for. the question before the court is whether that paper is, by itself, a burden on those group's religious freedom. theed a pen strax argued to the court yesterday that this is not an intrusive burden on religious groups, while lawyers for the catholic non-profit arc you it amounts to a quote permission slip as to what their clients believe is sinful behavior. just cities sotomayor can decide whether to continue the injunction or refer the case to the entire court. either way the court has agreed to hear another more comprehensive challenge to the birth control mandate coming this march. there is a lot to talk about regarding the full implementation of the affordable care act this week. we have crystal ball, co-host of

msnbc's "the cycle." dr. zeke emanuel, at the university of pennsylvania and former adviser for health policy in the obama administration, longest title of the day. also evan mcmorrissy white house reporter for busby.com and ka rin carmone who has been covering and so arin not just because we have worked towing, i will start with you this morning. it's complicated to explain what has been going on here. the news a few weeks ago, was about hobby lobby, it was about the fawn religious companies, we don't want to cover birth control. as the owners of the business, it violates our industry. so that's already happened. now the second thing that happened on new year's eve involves this group in denver. >> little sisters for the poor, home for the aged. >> they're in denver.

just take us through exactly what their complained is, what the government's response is and how you think this will shake out. >> so one of the key model itself, the key provisions of the affordable caring a is preventative care. if people get better access to preventative care, they are less likely to cost the system more in the long term. among those predictions is access to contraception for women for various reasons, they don't often get the right kind because of cost barriers. so they were persuaded to include in the women's health provision contraception. now they knew this was going to be controversial in part because the reason a lot of plans don't cover contraception is because of the religious beliefs of the owners and employers of those companies some what they said was after there was outcry why they said full would be xemed, they found a middle ground. there was a political yolk. the catholic bishop, they came out and said obama is treading

on our religious labor day. they came up with the middle ground. they said, fill out this form. we have gone to the insurers. the insurers, themselves, will provide the coverage. that has proved to not be enough for these organizations. >> so there is a distinction between purely religious groups. like a church, itself, versus like everybody or just most everybody that's a part of that group is religious, shares the same religion, that i are totally exempt. >> and they are forced to take birth control. they're not being forced to pay for it. they're not being forced to take it. >> but the issue, so we're in this middle ground, the little sisters for the poor, home for the aged in denver, we are talking about a group who also employ, they're non-catholics who they employ. so tear retically, under the law, they're supposed to fill out a wife they have a religious exemption the employers can get it from the insurance company. >> that is not enough for this group. >> the little sisters of the poor is a weird example. it turns out the administration

doesn't have authority over their plan. so this may be a poor vehicle t. court may say, go back to the lower courts. we're going to take another case because you have things like the university of notre dame. have you big catholic held hospitals and health systems that are suing. the idea here is let's think about how employees of these companies don't follow catholic teachings on contraception are going to be able to access the he health care the same. it's a balancing act. >> where did this come from? it seems so random, some 91s getting the attention of sonia sotomayor? is it not just the nun, themselves? . >> absolutely. there are several non-profits winding their way through the system. you have to understand this as a sort of under mining assault on the affordable caring a. this is a fairtive on the right about how obama is quote bullying the nuns. my personal theory, this is not based on independent knowledge,

is that the little sisters of the poor happens to be the most palatable name for the right. the most sim pa thettic, more sympathetic than a large corporate-like structure like notre dame or a big hospital. why is obama bullying the nuns is what all the right was saying yesterday. so again i think the idea is, there is a larger narrative that obama doesn't respect religious freedom but again the question that is going to be before the court is, what is a substantial burden on religious freedom? is it signing a form a substantial burden on religious freedom even if no one is going to get contraceptive? that's what the court has to decide. >> in this case, zeke, as we say, this is the ceo richards from planned parenthood america. on this particular days, she said today, new year's day, 27 million women have access to birth control without a co-pay under the affordable care act. >> that is not effective reviewing the administrative mechanism religious groups are opt out of birth control. she went on to say a much bigger

test in her mind, what was going to happen in march when these non-profitser, religiously affiliated non-profits have their case heard in march, how big a challenge to the integrity do you think that represents? >> it represents the question of, can people who are religious, themself, and have companies which aren't religious, are secular, dealing with things like hobbies, can improve workers, they hire workers with lots of different religious beliefs. let me go back to this point in the health care field. we are having a lot of arrangement in the health care field. while we have the little sisters of the poor, whatever, there are lots of big catholic health systems, merging with secular health systems and the question is, whose views are going to dominate on this issue for their employees? these are large organizations, in some cities, too es are huge, they're going to be the biggest employers in town or something. so you really are having a very important impact.

i know that when we were discussing this, there was a lot of effort made to accommodate the religious views and the vast majority of americans, including, by the way the vast majority of catholic americans. it's a bit of a contradiction. >> that's an important part. not just about birth control, but about where this law came from. an awful lot of support from the catholic community, from a social justice standpoint in supporting the idea of radically expanding access to health care. >> also the birth control issue. remember, the majority, as i understand, the majority of catholic women support birth control and the use of birth control and a large portion of them. i don't know the compact number use birth control. so the idea that somehow we're imposing, i think the idea is that the law is going to give people options that they didn't hitherto have because of the high co-pays and problems with getting birth control. i think that is what we have to look at, the individuals. >> yeah. and a couple things, i mean, first of all, as you are

pointing out. i think the case involving hobby lobby is a big question not just for the affordable caring a, for the idea can employers basically force tear religious views on their employees and can corporations, do corporations have religious believes? so that's a larger question just not in interms of health care but more generally the other piece that i would say here from a political perspective is i have to think republicans need to be very leery of seeming like they are anti-birth control. because as you are pointing out, zeke the vast majority of americans are accepting of birth control, use birth control, think it is an important part of family planning, catholics do not use birth control and members any less than the general population. so i think republicans who have had an ongoing issue with appealing to women voters have to be very careful here about, yes, they want to make this case about religious freedom, but to me and to a lot of women, i thinkths going to control across as you are against people having

access. >> what are you picking up from republicans on this piece? i know a year ago or so during the 2012 campaign, this was a concerted effort to make the war on religious groups a major issue. in light of what happened in 2012 and chris was talking ab the gender gap, has there been some rethinking of there? is the party less forged behind something like this? >> they are frying to talk to women different tan in 2012. it's important that the white house acknowledges there is differences on contraceptive stuff. they tried to find a way out of this. an accommodation for it. so we're talking about whether that accommodation is enough. the differences about contraception and covering it, the white house acknowledges that, believes i want. the administration believes it, understands it, is trying to do something to fix it. now the republicans, their problem is mpb time they talk about contraceptive on religious

grounds thing, it's veering offer into negative political territory, rush limbaugh, clus er frees talking about aspirin, this type of thing. it tends to happen whether they want to or not. they have a kind of a problem controlling the rhetoric on this issue. but it is one that really discuss fire up a lot of republican base. they want to talk about this religious issue, this exemption stuff. >> i can see, again when you look at the granular details of the case the sisters of the poor, this is about asking a group to film out a piece of paper that says we are a religious group and we have objections to this. that's all they have to do. anyway, we want to talk more about this we have another expert, he will join us right after this. you got the bargain kind?

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>> all right, joining us from ann arbor, michigan, jonathan cohen, he has been living and breathing on obamacare including "sick" and the people who pay the price. jonathan, we appreciate you taking a few minutes. we will pick up the discussion with you. you wrote something or compiled something that caught my eye. you talked to eight experts on health care, looking ahead to the year 2014 and what they expected to see coming for the o'fordable care act in 2014 the opinions you got varied. there were some pessimistic takes on where this is going. i think it might be interesting to hear about this. we're at this moment we have seemingly encourage. sign-up number the website is running better than it was, maybe these big hurdles have been cleared, maybe it's all clear setting here. if you can tell us what you heard, what are the big

obstacles that this law has to overcome in 2014? >> sure. well, look there is no doubt that we made a lot of progress. you know, i remember back in october, we were all in a panic, the website didn't work, people were getting notices their plans were getting cancelled. now we said we have millions of people getting health insurance. a lot of people are excited about the deals, they are saving money. they are getting money for the first time. but there are still a lot of obstacles to go. you look at those number, for example, we don't yet know, okay, well, how many of those people have actually paid tear premiums? looking ahead, how are people going to actually feel within they use their insurance? you know, a lot of americans don't really understand health insurance that well. >> but there's an immediate issue here, too, isn't there? i didn't realize this, people were coming up with health care.

suddenly they don't have that insurance. >> if you sign up but don't pay the monthly premium the company is not going to pay your bills. so these numbers we are seeing are numbers of people who have signed up for health insurance. we need to see how many pay up so they actually have coverage. now, most of them should. we don't know exactly how many. >> that is one reason, is it generally a good rule of thumb. it's never as bad as the critics say or the proponents say, be careful with these numbers. >> speaking of those numbers, i guess the question that always follows, 6 million, whatever the number, what's the mix? we talked about that bar campaign in the setup where the insurance companies are taking on people previously unaffordable. to make that work, they need the young healthy people. what is the mix? do we have a sense of what that members is looking like? >> we don't have a sense. i would say one of the big sort

of 2014 issues is right after the end of open enrollment, which ends march 31st. so we have three more months to seen up. ten we go into a hiatus and restart in the fall of 2014 for the 2014 e 15 year. right after they end, even really before the data is fully baked and they know what is happening the insurance companies have to decide, are we going to stay in the exchanges or not? what are our premiums for 2015 will be? that will depend on what they see. they will not have a full set of number, themselves. i think that's a very critical time. one of the issues is there is no such thing as smooth sailing when you do a health insurance. this is like running a business. like running amazon, it is constantly fixing up the website, working with insurers to make sure you have a right products and working with hospitals and doctors to make sure they're getting the right information, too. we have to think of this as a constant activity going forward that has to be improved every

minute and somebody has to think of how to fix it and solve problems. that's got to be the attitude, not the attitude, we got through the website, the it's the wrong attitude. >> one of the things jonathan wrote about is the idea i think a good living example of this with the website back in november where there were all sorts of problems with the website. it was taken as a broad indictment and if laws fail, this is why we need to repeal it. what he is sort of kwoeth at is there are moments for that, anecdotes where anything negative that happens to any individual in health care, we will hear a lot of eruptions for people against this from the start saying this proves it's wrong. how does the administration, supporters first half gait that? >> well, it's going sort of the war of the anecdote, isn't it? number one, you will have republicans as they have been doing finding anyone that have having a negative experience and highlighting as the worst thing on the world. on the other hand, you have now

millions of people who have health insurance, many of them for the first time and those are going to be some wonderful stories. you see in particular highlighting the stories of people who have access to healthcare and are able go about their lives in ways different than they were before. i personally think one piece of this that has been undersold is the fact that a lot of people used to stay in a job, solely because they didn't want to lose their health care. now you don't have to have that fear. can you go out into the world, can you become a job creator. you can strike out entrepreneurially and take risks you weren't able take before. >> let me highlight. that's an incredibly important piece. i was in minnesota about four weeks ago. talked to the chairman of the senate committee on health. he was saying that there are 30,000 people in minnesota who will start companies because of the health lawsuit. because they now can get health coverage. that's a huge number. we also know that those people who are starting companies, they

are the drivers of employment. they're the drivers of getting few jobs out there. the new entrepreneurs. so this could have a very important positive feedback. >> is it supposed to be a demographic that republicans might love i might add. >> we still got the name the job creators. quickly, here, though, it raises the question of we talked about the bargain between the health insurers and the government. how much are the health insurance companies doing to get these numbers up there, to get these young healthy people? they have a clear incentive to do so, it seems. how much are they a mart of the enro enrollment numbers getting up. recently, they started to turn up their advertising campaigns. you know, i have heard a number anecdotally just on the. >> reporter: i took a long car ride over the vacation. there were ads from blue cross plans. they are starting to push this now, particularly in advance of

that deadline in late march. they want these customers. they want the business. this is money in their pockets and they are going to go after them pretty hard. >> all right. i want to thank jonathan cohn from ann arbor, michigan, a city reeling from the shock to kansas state last week. sorry i had to say that. but thank you for joining us, jonathan, you got up early just for that. we will be right back, pick up the discussion right after this. . lyrics: 'take on me...' ♪

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have republican governors and legislators who refuse to expand medicaid. this has become a litmus test where if you are a republican, you expand medicaid, it means you are for obama as a republican, you are going to lose a primary, your career is going to end. the question is, is this going to change, evan, do you think in 2014? are we going to see those red states on that map expanding medicaid and say this is an expand, we might as well do this. >> virginia is now controlled by a democrat. >> because democrats won. but, i mean the larger thing happened in 2014 with the republicans and obamacare is a totally different ball game t. law exists. to fight about how health care works, it's a fight about whether the law will go into effect. it's what we had last year digging down to this government shutdown, it's from preventling this law from existence, now it's in existence. now we got to talk about how to

make it work. the republicans are having a hard time sort of rallying around an alternative. they haven't fixed out the messaging yet. this religious exemption is stuff we can get on board, as opposed to what to do next now there is obamacare, they haven't figured it out. they have the figure out how to run in this stuff. >> it seems like a piecemeal thing, it sort of, suspect comes in the news, anecdotally the website is working. >> obama stealing in the night. >> josh green at "business week" was writing about this he is basically saying the republicans have put themselves in a trap for two reason on this. the fir first was a decision not to shape the policy t. choice to oppose every turn in the hopes of killing it, rather than steer it in a more conservative direction as it was enacted in 2010. he said the second strategic bet is obamacare can be stopped after it was stopped by stopping obama from winning a sec term. >> that is the ship sail of the

year. >> they have, first of all, when we were trying to pass the affordable care act, they had no idea that addressed the big issue. cost control, getting everyone on board and improving quality. they don't have a big idea. they have an important contradiction which is, oh, we don't want pre-existing condition exclusions. we want insurers to take everyone. if you will hold that, which is popular with the american public. as you pointed out, you have to have the mandate. thatry inextricably linked. if they will support the first, they don't know what to do. they don't like the mandate idea. i think that will hem them in. so they will never get a suitable alternative policy, without a suitable alternative policy, you can't find something something that's working, with nothing. you need something as an alternative. they've never had an alternative or to the extent they have an alternative, it's very unpopular, which is getting the tax exclusion and giving people a $5,000 voucher, a voucher for a family of four doesn't get you insurance that costs $15,000.

>> they have written the government shutdown became a medical device tax. >> that became the big principle at stake. >> i think the big problem is they are a rhetorical problem to, they are underpinning the affordable caring a. it involves a lot of state autonomy, purchasing from the private market insurance. i think when it comes to the medicaid expansion, it will be interesting. you do have lifetime case, you do have martinez, chris christie that have taken the middle ground on this, they have taken the litmus test for the ones holding strong against the medicaid expansion t. real problem is the people who are impacted by that don't have the political capital of say the individual market folks who had their plans cancelled. so unfortunately, that itself not a demographic that republicans really care about going forward. >> but will is one group that does care about the expansion of medicaid, which is important. those are hospitals. hospitals very much care. they put a lot of pressure on.

for example, in pennsylvania, corbett is trying to find this middle ground, particularly because it's a very big medical state in pittsburgh and philadelphia and there is a lot of pressure on him to find the middle ground. my own view is once we pass the 2014 election, will you see a slew of states coming on because they want the money the 100% funding for medicaid. then i think across the end of the decade. you have to remember his reason is important here. it took until 17 years after the passage of medicaid for the last state to adopt medicaid, arizona. it will take some time. by the end of the decade, all states will do it. >> the other things we talk about john casich in ohio. he has a tea party primarily challenger this year, that will be a test of is that something is that will cause problems? does he prove it and say you will have 88% in your primary. i want to thank contributor dr. zeke emanuel, msnbc reporter for joining us today. remember that his tore ec break through president obama made with iran not long ago, is it in danger of being wrecked by our own congress?

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. >> a lot has changed in the five short months since ma mud ad amamouded ajen? mad. he has turned to establish diplomatic channels, too. in november, iran struck a tentative deal with the u.s. and other western nations to temporarily freeze some of its nuclear program in exchange for the easing of some sanctions. >> this initial agreement could well to the first step towards a landmark accord that would change the global landscape, the enter region in the world, not only on the nuclear front, eventually turning around since 1979, the revolution the community of nations. this would affect syria and all the neighbors as well. >> that is still a big if. >> this is what our colleague andrea mitchell meant a a big "f" there are reports, the deal could be under way, on its way

to its implementation in a matter of weeks. but as difficult as it will be to get diplomats from iran the u.s. and european union to hammer out the details in the plan in the coming weeks, it's difficult, if not more difficult than that will be to fight here in the u.s. to get lawmakers of both parties for the agree to the idea that sanctions against iran should be lifted or loosened at all. there is one thing they appear united on these days is opposition to the deal. before congress will break for the holiday, a bipartisan group put forth legislation that would impose tough new sanctions on iran that violates the terms of the interim deal. among co-sponsors are democrat chuck schumer and ten other democrats in favor of the deal they wrote a letter to harry reid to keep the menendez deal to come to a vote. it would threaten sanctions over a final deal with iran and it

might mean the end of diplomatic relations with iran. eastern responded as well, last week, more than two-thirds of the parliament signed on a bill to act sell rate the nuclear program if the united states congress imposes any new sanctions. the exact opposite of what this deal is intended to achieve. so as congress heads back to work on monday, what does it intend to do? my critically imperil this deal as negotiations are in their final delicate stages. here to sort it out, busby's evan mcmorris santoro. a contributor for "the daily beast" writes about american relations oversea, msnbc's crystal ball is still here. in our d.c. icing i isolation booth we call it steve clemens, the washington editor at large who writes extensively about foreign policy, i hope you are not clauft ro phobia. i will start with you because of your isolation booth status.

>> thanks, steve. >> the big break through in november was the announcement they are if geneva, the bake frame for a deal has been struck. now we are talking about the actual details of that finalized and hammered out. what is it that this final deal you think is going to look like and what is it that the hawks here in the united states congress, democrat and republican alike what is it that i are afraid of in this dell and what is it they're trying to do? >> well, just very quickly, there are elements, we know the outline of the iran deal which they will dispossess nuclear enrichment and stop the nuclear pros seging programs. they will let inspectors into parts we haven't seen before. both sides are cozying up to an action plan, primarily about logistics. i am fairly certain it will proceed. it was put on hold temporarily when the treasury department and under secretary david cohen

didn't take further steps but tightened the screws a bit on already existing sanctions an penalized those who had violated sanctions and tried to address those with loopholes and the iranians said that was not in breach of the deem. those senators, particularly senator menen dez, there is a lot i admire, but in foreign policy and as chairman of the foreign relations committee, he is looking more and more like the democratic version of jesse helms and he and a number other of his colleagues in the senate are working to sabotage the deal, not necessarily gietd. in my view, i think they believe, they've diluted themselves into believing that they think the iran has stepped forward because they are the top hammer behind the scenes. i talked to one of the senators, senator manchin, a seener, who has signed onto the bill, who i think has a more steady approach that while he signed on to what menen dez is trying to do. at the same time he doesn't want to disrupt the potential for a

good deal with iran. that's really the state of play harry reed has taken the debate and shut it down by imposing what was called rule 14, which prevented the menendez bill from going from the banking committee and having this tortured process in the press. many people think reed will bring this up in january. i think reed is essential lip frozen the debate and brought the bill to himself and will largely support the white house in what it decides to do. so right now, reed is holding most of the cards on the menendez bill. >> let's pick it up at that point. there is still a lot of time between this, this would be a six-month deal when implemented. we are talking about harry reid maybe buying into january to force some kind of a vote here. we started this by saying look over in iran where if parliament this week is responding to the maneuvering in our congress and they're basically saying, hey, if the congress and the united states says we're going to impose new sanctions af the six-month deal, we will set all these conditions on it. we will accelerate our nuclear program. that's what eastern is saying,

you have an iranian foreign minister who says the entire deal is dead if the united states congress -- >> has a six-month delay is there it seems to me this classic, almost tragic story embodyening the hardliners on the other side. they inadvertently line up for a deal. is there a risk here happening? >> i think that is what this is, you have sort of the leadership positions in both country now. at this point we got the supreme leader of iran who has the final say on all these matters supporting rohani in all its diplomacy. so the leadership of eastern is united if favor of the diplomacy. but still, congress is sort of dragging its feet. butths also a kind of a remarkable fight between democrats, the menendez-kirk bill now has 47 co-signers. we don't foe that, because the congressional registry hasn't opened up yet in the year session. we know that because apac the pro israel lobby group put a note up on tear website of who

intend for the co-sponsor it. aside from the initial 13 democrats and republicans, all the rest of the cignatories signatureories are republicans. you have 35 or 33 or so republicans and 16 democrats, because cory booker signed on late and democrats are actually remarkable split on this. when you compare the fact that these ten democratic committee chairs sent a letter to reed trying to stall the bill from moving forward. it's remarkable considering the last side of sanctions passed 100 to zero. so ity we are seeing a real push from this sort of hawkish when. >> from the white house, itself, which is saying, you know, we do not need this right now. this is not helping. what do you think is going to happen in january, evan? >> well the white house says they will veto the bill. >> that itself question i actually have for steve. what do you think it does for negotiations if the bill passes out of congress and the president vetoes it. will that have any measurable --

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>> steve clemens in the isolation booth, if this comes to a vote if january, and it passes and goes to obama's desk, what happens then? >> well, he'll veto the bill and it will go back to the in the and folks like lindsey graham said they will override his bill. it will put u.s.-eastern relations into a very serious fragility. it will remind people when bill clinton -- >> do you think they would have the votes to override the veto, that 67? >> well, i think as ali said they have 47. ultimately when you have ten committee chairs who said for vital fascial security reasons, it's wrong to proceed. i would hope they wouldn't have that number of votes and have a

healthier discussion. one of the few things people are talking is military intelligence issued, it has been reported they have said they see deep strategic change in iran. this is what israel military intelligence is saying. when you look at that you say, why are these senators marching off to basically knee cap the president of the united states in up with of the most important strategic leaps this nation could make that would really give the entire world a kind of new direction, a few way to shape gravity, it would be a remarkable thing for the senate not to do that. but when we see the power of apc and other certain lobbying groups that have been pushing these senators, it makes one wonder if they could get it. i fear they might, given the buildup of the numbers we have seen already. >> well, i mean, i think the opening we have now is pretty unique and extraordinary and to steve's point, we talk about health care is such a critical part of this president's legacy. if we actually had a deal with iran and we actually had an on

of the relationship with iran, that would in some ways be even more critical piece of this president's legacy and more vital to the world in terms of the politics of it whether they can get the number to override a veto. s extraordinary that we have this many democrats willing to go on the president against this issue to start with. it would be unheard of, unbelievable i think to get that number to override the veto of this president as it gets increasingly close as an issue. >> we are short on time what is your sense, are you optimistic at the end of the day the deal hammered out is being hammered out between the united states and iran and will survive the politics of the u.s. congress? >> i mean, it's not clear. i think the veto question is up in the air. i would hope the president will march enough democrats to support his veto. but i am not sure of that, because as i said before the last sanctions passed 100 to

zero. these are long odds we are going up against, steve talk bd about the pressure on these members of congress. even after, this is the interim deal which will be hopefully, according to all the sides, implemented sometime this month. there are six months of negotiations, actually, something you don't hear about a lot is that the deal actually allows for an extension of another six months of negotiations if all the parties agree to it. so we could be talking about a year long process. that's a long time for spoilers on both side. >> that's the whole thing, this was supposed to be the short-term deal. it proves a deal is possible and it proves a bigger deal, you know, can be arrived at. so, yeah, that itself the story to keep an eye on. one of the big stories if january, we will be keeping an eye on that. my thanks, to msnbc contribute-of-steve clemens of the atlantic. we'll be right back. earch this n has at his disposal is how he puts it to work for his clients. morning. morning. thanks for meeting so early. come on in.

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voters supported raising the minimum wage. in repeat years, minimum wage has been a gimme at the polls. you put it on the ballot, it will pass, probably with flying colors. which explains why democrats see this as a powerful political weapon to wield against republicans, a chance to show they're on the side of people and fighting the interests of working people. it is an issue democrats have used to poet rate is their base to get to the polls. peer political power of the minimum wage is something republicans used to understand in the wake of the republican revolution of 1994 the gop won control of the house for the first time since the eisenhower years. bill clinton za sought to regain political momentum by proposing the raise the minimum wage. newt gingrich said he wouldn't let it come up for vote. bob deal, running for president in 1996, used procedural moves to scutal bill in his chamber. by the spring of 1996, there were moderate republicans in congress who said they will no

longer stand for the leadership stonewalling. these moderates have taken a beating a tf disastrous shut down in the fall of 1995. their poll numbers were terrible. they were afraid of losing their seats in 1996. they were afraid of their party losing the house in 1996 t. last thing they wanted was to take another needless hit back home. >> after an almost daily political pounding and being portrayed by democrats as heartless, some republicans today decided they had had enough. more than a dozen moderate house republicans broke with their leaders to support an increase in the minimum wage. >> it's been seven years sense these people have had a pay hike. they work hard. we need the reward work. >> this is a few weeks after that, future gingrich vowed to add some republican sweeteners from the minimum wage increase and agreed to hold the vote. it landed on his desk with the backing of 76 senators and 354 house members. fast forward to 2006, on top of

george w. bush's bungling of katrina democrats added an economic issue to the national platform they used to win back congress that fall. one of tear key issues was raising the minimum age. the next year, once they were in control, democrats in the house advanced a bill to raise the minimum wage to 7.25 an hour. that's where it now stand at the federal level. 82 republicans support it in the house. if senate added small business tax cuts in the past there overwhelmingly an george one. bush signed it. that was in 2007. that was the last time there was an increase in the minimum wage at the federal level. the issue is on the table again if now, but the opposition from republicans seems far more rigid this time around. the party has changed. the tea party id logs have gained traction. swing moderates are vanishing. within it comes to issue, the party has moved close to rand paul's absolutism. there is one tea party insurgent, joe miller, you may remember, he defeated a sitting republican senator in a 2010

primary in alaska. here he is calling the minimum wage unconstitutional. >> so there should not be a federal minimum wage? >> there should not be. >> that is not in the scope of the powers given the government. >> he went on to lose that election. his greatest belief is getting an airing on the far right. it was rejected by the supreme court in 1941. last year, democrats used a procedural maneuver to force the house to open a bill to raise the minimum wage from 7.25 to 10.10. it failed to win a single republican vote. so in year 2014 the mid-term elections looming, the republicans keep standing in the way of an increase, president obama is gearing up to make min pull wage woun one of his key initiatives this year. you have seen democrats and some contev conservative, southern states ready to run on it. >> it seems our senior senator only understands the meaning of one word, stop. well, senator, your voting time after time against increasing

the minimum wage all the while you increase your pay and quad dominican republic him your net worth. stop now. >> and here to discuss the minimum wage as a wedge issue of 2014. we still have with us our contributors. crystal ball msnbc contributor is here. so let's just i guess paul i'll start with you, so we can understand the call right now, this sort of unified call from the left is to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour at the federal level. some states are higher than the federal level. where does that number come from? what is the significance of that number? >> i think there is from the congressional democrats, senator harken and tom miller, it was put out there as a politically

realistic benchmark that will bring the minimum wage really substantially back to the level it had in the early '60s and '70s when it raised across the economy. we are hearing the country is struggling with the fact that most of the jobs created pay these low wages. we hear everyone from federal reserve boards to bill:and the debassia information saying it is not just, it is holding back our economy. we need to put money in people's pockets to drive growth. with reseeing calls for much bigger increases. 1010 at the federal level. $15 in many of the high cost states. >> part of this bill the democratic bill right now for 10.10 would index. we had a minimum wage hike in 1996. you have to wait until 2007, now it's seven years later. instead of going through that process, are you saying raise it automatically? >> that's right. ten states index the minimum wage. it keeps pace with the cost of

inflation each year. a lots of the business community supports it. it's interesting, a lot of the business community has moved towards supporting minimum wage increases, at the same time republicans have gotten more polarized on the issue. >> up aical interesting facts to put out there. maybe we can get your take on it. one is minimum wage increase from the economic policy, this is an estimate from them. the minimum wage would raise wages for 28 million workers. 88%. it accounts for his or her family total incomes. they're saying it's not just people affected right now wage by the minimum wage, somebody making a couple bucks above the minimum wage. you are bumping those people up. >> that adds up to 28 million people. you also have the economic policy institute, which is saying if you raise it to $10.10 an hour, they are saying there

is a stimulus effect. all these people having more money to spend it adds $22 billion more, translateing to 85,000 jobs nationally. what itself case against doing it? >> that's a lot of points. we can talk about this one after another. so i guess my basic point, though, i think we all of us at this table agree will is a cost to increasing the minimum wage. it doesn't happen, magically, there is a cost. from my perspective, that cost is three things. it hurts the workers, you are cherry picking which worker will get this wage while shaving off the access to the latter bottom rungs. it hurts the consumers, it jacks up the cost of goods. we are talking, for example, about fast food. who are the primary consumers of fast food? low income workers? it hurts business, particularly small business. you understand as a cpa when you are increasing the costs, that hurts the business.

so it's going to put some folks out of business, especially the ones that are smaller. because they don't have the economies of scale to absorb this increased costs. >> so what about two-thirds of low wage workers, people at minimum wage. they work at firms that employ more than 100 people. most of the people we say are at large. >> that doesn't change the fact there are small businesses here, i don't know, you go down the block, they still have video stores? there is a video store, mom and pop and there is five people. >> it's bad. i don't know. >> some store with five employees. what happens, crystal? >> well, i think what we're seeing here. there is a balancing act. very few people you played the one clip. very few say we should get rid of it altogether. there is a balance here. we think people should get paid for the twork they do. we believe and people on the right believe in the dignitary of work and having an incentive to quote/unquote get off the doll and their duff to work.

the minimum wage in this country has fallen behind where it should be because it hasn't been lifted in so long. so we're in a place now where as you were pointing out, out of this recession, a pa majority of the jobs coming out of it are low wage. we have increasing inequality in the country, folks working 40 hours a week doing everything they can, cannot put food on the table. they can rely on the government. if terms of the points you were making, kerry the point about the cost to the workers just isn't borne out by the evidence. we have a sort of natural experiment in this country because we have states and localities that have different minimum wages. and economists have looked at this and found essentially no impact to moderate increases in the minimum wage. if you made it absurd, if you said it should be $1,000 an hour then. of course, there would be an impact. at the levels we are talking about, $10, maybe $15 an hour, there is basically no everyday.

>> so i just -- >> let me respond. start with this question, because there is a division it seems on the right in terms of how to think about the minimum wage, where you have, we play joe miller. i have plenty of people on the right who say the minimum wage, itself, we don't need. any kind of minimum wage. do you believe a minimum wage is a starting point? >> we can look internationally. when you see countries that have no minimum wage, nordic, denmark, for example, switzerland, there are many countries that are the most equitable when you look atco efficient. those countries the most equitable they have no minimum wage with the quality of life t. most equitable on the misery scale, they are ec wit annual as well. those are the most controlled economies. when you talk about being equitable here. >> you think people should be able to get paid 5 cents an hour? >> what i'm saying is look at the countries, look at reality. and these countries don't have minimum wage. i hear you. >> what are you calling a debate

on the spectrum on the right of this country, it's a violation of the constitution at minimum wage. you say, yeah, we need minimum wage. >> what i'm saying is i think politically it's easy to exploit this. the left is very effective at exploiting this for political points. i'm not saying i will be fighting to get rid of a minimum wage. i am not a ted cruz on the rate. i think that would be political suicide. ii'm saying i think the right can do a butch better job of carrying the morality. >> the other piece is what i was saying, one wal-mart supercenter rely on somewhere between a million and almost 2 million dollars in public benefits. so right now the government is supporting workers because they can't support themselves. it seems to me as a conservative, you would want people to get off the government doll and be able to support themselves through the deck of work. >> right. i guess what i'm saying is that is a defeatist attitude. >> that is saying these people

will be stuck in low wage jobs. the answer is education. they can do much more. >> they promoting jobs --. >> these really are the majority of the jobs created. the interesting thing -- >> as well, we have an information-based economy -- >> i -- >> if these were sting stone jobs for teens that, job is long past. minimum wage jobs is 35. college people bring half of the household income. if we don't find raye ways to raise these conditions or jobs, we are going to do tens of millions of americans to poverty and hold back our economy. >> that itself why, the research with respect, kerry has it wrong, there will be a change in the consensus in the recession the bulk shows no adverse from raising the minimum wage, poll economists in chicago backed increases by an affordable

margin what is interesting is the shift in the business community. a lot of the business crane, bloomberg news back hiring minimum wage, recognizing the benefits for the economy, outweighing any modest costs. >> we have not heard. we will as soon as we come back. this is a huge political issue for 2014. we can look at the polling on this and the unlikely places where democrats say, this will help them defy history. we will talk to them after this. but are you too comfortable? these days crime can happen in a few keystrokes. american express can help protect you. with intelligent security that learns your spending patterns, and can alert you to an unusual charge instantly. so you can be a member of a more secure world. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. probably wasn't talking about dollars. pretty much everybody wants to keep those.

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>> looking at the politics for minimum wage. this is the $10.10, this is how it polls nationally, overall 63% of people say, yes, we support this. 77% of democrats, 59% of independents, 47% of republicans and given that broad support,

that is why it has been a new york times article last week, this will be a key strategy, they are looking at states like arkansas, south dakota, sort of tro ditional key states, senate races on the ballot where democrats are facing uphill battles. they want to put increasing the minimum wage on the ballot. they think it will a put the republicans on the ropes and b maybe increase turnout among their own voters, what do you make of that strategy? >> first thank you for coming to me. but, you know, this is, a lead proponent of this minimum wage increase, he said what they're hoping to do with minimum wage discussions is make a ready sort of take-home pocket-size version of the fight over wage equality and sort of wage issues and the wage gap. that's what they really want to talk about. i think minimum wage is a part

of it. they want to talk about issues that affect a large part of the middle class, buying power going down, access to wealth going down the gap between rich and poor, increasing. they're hoping the minimum wage is a simple way, a popular way of opening up those discussions. so what we are seeing are the first steps of a much larger commentary in 2014 about these wage issues, which democrats think they can put on the deal. >> we showed. we have a map. this is the states that have a higher minimum wage than the federal level. we seen this happen before between like '96 and 2007, there was a lot of activity at the state level that finally spurned the increase at the federal level in 2007. we set it up earlier, we talked about in 1996, republicans in congress were coming off of a politically disastrous government shutdown, newt gingrich were the speaker. they were afraid of losing the house. they got scared into a compromise on the minimum wage, if 2007, democrats had just given republicans a beating at the polls in 2006, republicans

felt some need. is there any sense that republicans might be opened to some kind of compromise this year on raising the minimum wage? >> when you open it up, the wage issue we were talking about before, there are republicans that said they need to talk about it, chank their rhetoric. talk less about tax cuts for the rich, more about trying to increase the opportunity for the middle class. so when, put through that prism, you may have some republicans that are thinking about this. i think we haven't seen yet exactly where all of the republican sort of the pressure points have all shaken out in terms of what the tea party is really going to say about this, it polls well, what are the sort of commentaries. we are not totally sure where they shake out yet. but if you cast it as a discussion about this larger thing, it's possible maybe you should u could see. >> those past examples of 2007 and 1996, what republicans send up saying, we will do this, we want something for it.

it takes the form for some tax relief for small business. could you look at this and say as a conservative who doesn't want this going to 10.10, okay, i'll do it if you give me x? is there anything on your list that would make for a excise. >> well -- >> don't say repeal obamacare. >> you mentioned pressure points. i definitely think obamacare is going to be a much stronger pressure point when we are talking about the election. short of that, nothing you mentioned, in looking at the states, i think that reenforces my point. >> that is that you, companies and geographies should differentiate what they want them to do. you talk about the fact that costco has a higher wage. that's costco, it's a different business model. companies should be able to differentiate the cost of labor. >> we have a federal -- the

floor. >> what about, for example, for servers? servers make, you know, $3.25 an hour compared to a hostess that makes $7.25. we differentiate based on the type of labor. >> there is a movement in massachusetts, where workers who work for tips to bring them up to the same -- >> it's actually not 3.25. i believe it's $2.13 an hour for the federal minimum wage staff. >> there is a movement. >> a lot of states are, whoing to move it. massachusetts has a ballot issue that will raise it to $60% of the minimum wage, which will be over $6 bucks an hour the west coast states, california, states like massachusetts. i love the west coast states require the tip workers get the full minimum wage. many of the states have the top growth restaurant states, states like california, arizona, florida and it shows it doesn't have an impact on job growth. it's a key women's pay equity,

anti-poverty issues. the waitresses at that time local applebees, the local deniers are earning poverty wages. >> for me, i would much rather take a strong labor move him if i had the choice between that and an increase in middle wage. i would take the strong labor move him. we used to have a system where people had a voice. we don't have that anymore. and so now the only mechanism essentially that we have is the minimum wage. >> are you, i couldn't, so, crystal. are you opt mick at all that there actually will be a minimum wage? >> i am optimistic. i think this is a brutally bad issue for republicans. i think there is some realization in the polling a and the conversation that we come to a place in the economy where we are starting to see a recovery and people picking up their heads and saying, what kind of a country and what kind of an economy do we want to to have? so i think republicans will realize this is terrible for them. >> we are seeing. if you get it on the table now,

republicans raise it a little bit. they can go back and talk about obamacare. >> there is always that incentive. anyway, i want to thank you. we have a special guest coming up right after this. i double dare you to stick around and see who it is. [ female announcer ] who are we?

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uncomfortable steve kornacki and today's celebrity guest host, you know him, from the classic game show "double dare" and history iq. put your hands together. this is mark summers. >> thank you so much, thank you bill wolf. thank you studio audience. thank you at home for tuning in. yes you heard, i am mark summers in for steve kornacki to give you a chance, evan mcmorris san toro and crystal ball are back again for another shot at glory, bill wolf mentioned crystal is a former champion, evan, if you win today, it will not only be vindication for you and your busby colleagues, but score high enough, it might qualify you for possible more tispation in the tournament of champions. the rules remain the same. 100 second each round. questions get heard as we go on. you will be penalized for wrong answers, will is an instant

bonus question each round. a no risk chance for you to win more points respect i want to assure everyone, steve has not had access to any of today's questions. with that, i'll ask you, contestants, are you ready? >> sort of. >> as i'll ever be. >> hands on buzzers, here's our first question for 100 points, on friday, the u.s. state department ordered further evacuations of american embassy person fell from what strife -- yes. >> am ter dam. >> that is correct. south sudan. second the question, worth 100 points, it was revealed in a mixup, packages of this famous. >> the obamas. >> yes, they got a christmas gift not belonging to them. they passed it onto the right person. 100 points for you, steve t. controversial mayor of the 4th largest city if north america. >> rob ford. >> right. filed paper to run for re-election. evan takes the lead, steven

steve second. crystal i have not heard from you. >> a british judge ruled this detective. >> sherlock holmes. >> belonged to the public domain. we have an instant bonus, sherlock holmes, steve, played by what actor in the popular television series "sherlock." >> benedict cumberbunch? >> will we accept that? >> yes, cumberbach. carrying on with the round, former relationship mary bono will present the sonny bono visionary award to this similarly named irish rocker at this year's yes, steve. >> bono. >> bono meade meet bono. you are taking the lead here this new york congressman rallied, railed, rather, against the new york times thursday. crystal. >> peter king. >> yes, called the paper a disgrace. crystal in finally in this round. another 100 point question this florida republican, oh, that means the time is up. we will look at the scores here

and find out that evan has 200 points, crystal has 100, but steve is in the lead with 400 points. congratulations once again, he had no idea what we are asking, i promise. all right. going into the 200 point round. here we go. becoming the first state in the union to legalize marijuana. >> colorado. >> incorrect. >> washington. >> cow. would be joined by what state later this year, walk state. 200 points for steve, crystal 100. evan, you got to hang in here. senate majority harry reid will hold a vote this week on a bill that would extend, yes, eran. >> unemployment insurance. >> that is incorrect. let me continue the question, yes, steve. >> three months. >> will hold a vote to extend emergency unemployment benefits for how long, three months. instant bonus, steve. name the republican senator co-sponsoring the bill with democrat jack reed. >> dean heller. >> from nevada.

are you right. are you runi you are runk away with it. on the rachel mad dough show revealed this michigan house republican made 27 sunday talk show appearances, the most of any member of -- yessh steve. >> dave camp. >> >> incorrect. most show. >> senseen brerner? >> intelligence committee, oh. >> time is up. mike rogers. >> ah. >> enjoying his 160th round of golf as president, i think eisenhower played more, barak obama hit the links with this first foreign elected. >> prime minister of new zealand. >> john key, correct. 200 pounds for you, according to a report the beak, season two, american idle runner-up is considering -- steve. >> clay aiken. >> running for congress in north carolina. clay ache isn't correct.

>> that is the end of the 200 point round. steve you have 1,000 points, chris tam has what minus 300. is that true? and evan at 200. we are moving into the 300 point round. >> a lot can happen here. >> steve could run away with it all. >> or they could catch me. >> congressmen such as ted cruz and harry reid, it was revealed it was this alabama republican, yes, steve. >> jeff sessions. >> who logged the most speaking time on the senate floor. are you right. another '00 points for steve this tea party friendly congressman announced he will accept donations. yes, seve and his republican president using bitcoin, you are right. steve, you can take a nap. makes no difference at this point. the california supreme court ruled on thursday, crystal, evan, that sergio garcia can now practice law in the state, which would make him, yes, evan? >> he's the first time document immigrant able to practice law? >> correct.

300 points for evan. new york city officials were sent scrambling this week after a bible used to swear if bill deblasio went missing at the inauguration. yes. >> franklin delano roosevelt? an instant bonus. the bible was used by fdr during his first presidential inauguration in 1933. who was his vice president? if you answer this, i'll give you my house. >> wallace. >> it was john nance gardner. i have never heard of the man. all right. another 300 point question, krystal, wake up. fork city mayor bill deblasio pledged this activity. one of the longest standing. getting rid of the horse carriage rides. supreme court chief justice john roberts released his annual year end report, writing this issue was the one that hurt the judicial branch the most this year, evan. >> sequestration. >> correct or budget cuts. another 300 for evan. here's another 300 point question, moving in on steve, on twitter, this former oekd

oakland a twitter. >> jose can sec ka. >> right for another 300 points t. final score is, steve, 1,900 points, oh, evan, 1,400. crystal ball minus 300. oh my goodness. i'm really shocked by that. and that means you are "up against the clock" steve. i have no idea what i'm doing here. are you the champion with 1,900 points. congratulations, as our champion, here we go, you will get the official up aagainst the prize package. bill wolf, tell him what he won. >> will you have your name in exquisite sharpee. you get to take it home with you, show it off to friend, family, local school children for factually one week. will you receive an appearance this him doing week on msnbc's "the cycle" airing weekdays, 3:00 to 4:00 p.m. eastern time. will you also get to play in our bonus round for today's grand

prize, a $50 gift certificate to rut's hut in clifton, new jersey, serving up the best franks in the greater meadow land area. it's on us. back to you, steve. >> all right. steve, one one more piece of unfinished business before we can afford you that trip to rutt's hut in clifton, new jersey. the bonus question for that jackpot. one question, here it is. "new york times" columnist nicholas krzysztof announced in an article on wednesday that he would be dropping his middle initial d. from his byline after carrying it for more than 25 years. what does that d. stand for? very tough question. yes, steve? >> david. >> that is incorrect. it was donovet. unfortunately, you don't get that but you are our grand prize winner, steve. fantastic. sorry, yao didn't win but you still get to keep that prize and lift the gold cup. it's here somewhere.

congratulations. no one leaves empty-handed because you all get the home edition of "up against the clock" fun for the entire family. thanks, everyone, and thanks for playing at home. steve, did i do okay? >> more than okay. >> congratulations. nice job, crystal, evan. we'll be back with more right after this. lyrics: 'take on me...' ♪ ♪ 'take me home...' ♪ 'i'll be gone...' ♪ 'in a day or...' man: twooooooooooooooooo! is that me, was i singing? vo: not paying for scheduled maintenance feels pretty good. no-charge scheduled maintenance now on every new volkswagen. that's the power of german engineering to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol.

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look at the crystal ball. i'll be -- very excited. i cannot tell you how exciting it was to have mark summer hosting this thing, the most professionally hosted smoothest operation ever. i think all of us kind of growing up in the '80s watching "double dare," being there with mark summers and playing the

game was cool. >> i got to go back on and do it again. >> how did it feel? >> it was fun. i don't get to do it that often but when i do i go back into automatic pilot or something. >> i have to say as great of a host as you are, it was pretty impressive. >> do you miss hosting game shows? >> oh, absolutely. >> wauld you want to -- >> i would do one in a nanosecond. >> would you have me on it? >> very dramatic. >> it would be fun, but, you know, now you have to be famous to even get a television show and i keep being told i'm too old to do this anymore. so i don't know. i still have the energy and i feel like i can do it. some network executive should look at that. >> answer me this question. i was one at the end of every "double dare" i would send in the postcard to try to get on. i sent a couple. how did you choose contestants? >> first we did the show in philadelphia so anywhere from new york, new jersey, philly, virginia, washington, that area, then we moved to orlando and we

would grab them out of the audience when we were down there. we never unfortunately took kids who wrote in. sorry. >> because i put so much time into those. >> got the last laugh. here you are. >> yes. here i am on a cheap made for cable -- right? >> you won your own -- >> and no one would believe it was a legitimate victory. >> you won. >> i want to thank mark summers and all our guests for braving this new york city snow, this freezing weekend. miss incomes's crystal ball, game show host, food network star, future game show host, mark summers. thanks, everyone, for getting "up." join us tomorrow sunday morning at 8:00. high anxiety. not the classic mel brooks movie but how the new marijuana law in colorado is being implemented. plus the internet means liberalism in four words. i'll ask my guest what they think it means. tomorrow's guests, john fugue

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