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poverty and unemployment in these united states. [ applause ] >> it's only when you believe government is the answer to all of your problems that you talk about unemployment insurance instead of job creation. >> government is not the solution to our problem. government is the problem. >> as far as unemployment and job prospects. >> it is important that we keep the big picture in mind. >> what is unemployment insurance? it is paying people not to work. >> i know the president and other democratic leaders would like to create the impression that we are cold hearted and unfeeling towards the plight of american workers. >> let's get rid of unemployment insurance and let's call it paying people not to work. >> if you're paying people too generously, it actually discourages some people from

actively seeking employment. >> we are considered about those having a difficult time trying to find a job. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. there are no developments in new jersey with the bridge gate controversy with governor chris christie who has responded within the last hour. we'll that later on in this program with the commentary and all the details. in my judgment, it is not the biggest story in this country right now. i think this guy could be presidential material, but not tonight. the topic is still 1.3 million people being thrown under the bus by the republican ideology. it is collectively what they believe in. they just don't believe government has a role in anything. health care, education, jobs --

forget it. everybody is on your own. republican party, i think this ideology is catching up with them. republicans know blocking unemployment insurance extension not popular with the american people. well, actually it is. that's what they say in caucus. we'll get by. we'll be okay. let's stick with our ideology. not the case. 55% of americans say that they want an unemployment extension. only 34% of americans say they want this whole thing to end or think like rush. republicans know that they are losing the battle. so here comes the playbook to stop all the bleeding. the house republican conference put out a coaching memo for members so they know how to talk about unemployment. let's see. they have a pattern of doing this. we've had a playbook on how to talk about it to women. we've had a playbook on how to talk about immigration reform.

now we have a playbook from the republicans on how to be compassionate when it comes to unemployment benefits. it tells republicans to address job loss as a personal crisis for the person in their family. how touching. the memo pushes the point saying washington has lost its priorities if it is more focused on making unemployment easier to tolerate than it is getting people back to work and restoring independence all together. independence, this is what it's all about. giving people an opportunity to access something they have paid into their entire career and dip into it when they fall into hard times. finally the playbook says if the democrats can produce a fiscally responsible plan, the house is going to consider it. how nice of boehner. i think the worm is starting to

turn. they are defensive. they don't know how to handle this. they know public opinion is against them. a number of republicans are starting to say, i went home and heard stuff i'm not used to hearing. one of them is senator heller. he sounded a heck of a lot more like a democrat than a republican when asked about unemployment. >> don't get me wrong, i think this thing ought to be paid for. i'm going to support this legislation anyway, because i think it is the right thing to do. go home and talk to some of these people that need this unemployment insurance. these are people actively looking for a job. let's make sure they can stay in their homes and put food on their table for their children. >> did i hear that right?

that's some coaching for you right there. the senator from nevada said he would encourage his colleagues to get out of the beltway and go home and listen to some of the constituents because they are hard working americans. gosh, he sounded like a democrat. he's not. he's a conservative that knows what's at stake. three senators said they want to cut some stuff to offset the cost of all it. they need to take a page of senator heller's playbook and cut to the chase. it'll be interesting to see if these colleagues go to the floor to talk about the unemployment. i want to hear the audio. i want to hear these folks go to the floor and make the case.

they won't do it. don't bank on it, folks. it is a lot easier just to cast a vote. but when you have to stand up and talk about it, it's a little different world, isn't it? these senators need to put the pressure on john boehner and bring heller's extension up for a vote. boehner has got to be sitting over there saying, geez, they're putting it all on me. we have to be a team on this deal. of course that's what he's saying. the senators need to throw this number in boehner's face every day. john boehner is a major obstacle right now in the unemployment extension effort, but i'm not convinced he's the only obstacle. you can't trust the republicans.

there were six republicans who voted yesterday to move the debate forward. when it comes time for them to stand up, they want more cuts. they're just like the rest of the crowd. the good news is the republicans are on the defense. they feel compelled they have to come up with special talking points to explain their position. here's the position they're in. they can't fake empathy. humans can't fake empathy. you either care about something or you don't. let me emphatically saying that the republicans have had a track record of not caring about health care. they have a track record of not caring about workers and wages and collective bargaining and unions. they have a track record of not caring about public education because we spend way too much money on that. now they have a track record of saying we're not really that concerned about unemployment. that's president obama's fault

because he hasn't figured out this economy. liberals, don't let them off the hook. this is worth fighting for. this is a story that will not go away. we cannot let this story go away because it will expose exactly who they are and put them on the defensive all the way to the midterms. i want to know what you think. tonight's question -- do you think unemployment insurance is a disincentive to get a job? text a for yes. text b for no. you can go to our blog and leave a comment there. the audio that's coming from the republicans in the senate and over in the house when it comes to unemployment, it is different from the audio we have heard from mrs. hackett yesterday who was talking about what it is like to put gas in your car or

heat your house or wear a coat in your home so you can turn down the thermostat. i think the president was spot on when he suggested some of the lawmakers give up their checks and see what it's like. one of the lawmakers did just that. we'll that later on this in the program. >> good to be with you as always. >> you bet. it doesn't seem like it's going to come all down to boehner. there are these six senators who are starting to balk. they want cuts too. >> senator reid wants a 90-day extension while we talk about what can be done on a longer term. 90 days to make sure these 1.3 million people, which 20,000 are veterans, unpaid for.

why? because it's an emergency. why? because stimulating on the one hand and depressing on the other, the economy doesn't make sense. we'll talk about that. but right now, we need to pass immediately an extension where we'll get these 1.3 million people with some sustenance. >> is he tone deaf to this? >> i can't speak for what his thoughts are on that. i think that's lower than it is nationally. the majority of people in america and my state and district believe this unemployment insurance ought to be extended. they know how hard it is to find a job.

they know the adverse consequences to real people that this has caused and the agony and pain that it is causing. they want to see us get this done. i hope the republicans will listen. just talking nicely, empathizing with people is not off. you've got to do something. >> are the democrats willing to do something budgetarily to make this happen? where would you find cuts? are you looking at any cuts to play ball with boehner on this? >> if the republicans want cuts, tell us what they are and we'll consider them. i absolutely agree with the majority leader when he says, we've got to get this done now. you saw murray and ryan talking about offsets. it's tough to find offsets when we've already reduced by over a

trillion dollars the next ten years expenditures. we've cut the budget. we need an immediate action to stop the hemorrhaging, stop this emergency that is occurring just days after christmas. days after a celebration of giving and caring, we cut off unemployment insurance. i'm very supportive of what reid is suggesting. do it now. do it for 90 days. and let's talk about a permanent way we can get this done. historically, we've almost always done this on an emergency basis under republican presidents and democrat presidents without offsets. >> i want to play a clip from senator marco rubio talking about minimum wage today. we have half the wage earners in the country making under $11 an

hour. so if minimum wage is going to be a big issue for the democrats, this is what you're up against. this is senator marc rubio. >> this is their solution? raising the minimum wage may poll well, but having a job that pays $10 an hour right now isn't a dream. >> that's the mind set you're facing right now. >> it's really sad. of course that's not the american dream. the american dream is to do much better than that, to have a good life. not just a survival life. that's not what america is about, but the minimum wage ought to be the absolute minimum we expect people to pay to work for a living.

we give them the opportunity to earn a wage that they can survive on in the richest country on the face of the ea h earth. that's the issue. 10.10 is a minimum. it's not a ceiling. it's not the maximum. it's not what we want people to aspire to. it is what we ought to do as a country to make sure there is a minimum. ed, in 1968, in 2013 dollars, the minimum wage today would be $10.20. >> i find senator rubio's comment very interesting. he admits to the people what they think doesn't matter. it polls well. that means what the people want. what the people want doesn't matter to the republican party. he indicts his philosophy right there in front of the microphone. i just think it polls well

because that's what the people want, okay? and they're not willing to give the people what they want just like unemployment insurance is exactly what the people want. do you believe if it were brought to the floor in the house that the unemployment insurance would pass? >> yes, i do. >> okay. >> i don't think there'd be a democrat that would vote against it. i think there would certainly be enough republicans. we only need another 18 republicans to pass it. certainly there are 18 republicans that have the kind of compassion that is necessary to back up the talk that they're instructed to be. the empathy they're asked to display. >> thanks so much. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. always want to know what you think. coming up, admitting the problem is half the battle.

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welcome back to "the ed show." 50 years ago, president johnson declared a war on poverty in the america. >> when you look at the issue of poverty obviously, lots of facets to it. the one solution that we all know that works is a job. >> yeah, lots of facets to it. no doubt about it. the battle over unemployment benefits has broadened the

debate over the growing gap between the wealthy and the poor in this country. the vulture chart illustrates the gad widening. the most up to date statistics from the labor department go through 2009. republicans don't have any ideas on how to deal with a sluggish economy. take the procedural measure and the vote to extend unemployment insurance for three months, for example. only six republicans voted on the measure. republicans who voted against it are only concerned with how to pay for it. >> these are the same folks who gave us the stimulus, who gave us tax increases, gave us obamacare. all of it was done in the name

of helping the little guy? what's it given us? it's given us this mess. >> doesn't the little guy need a job right now? if you create jobs, it will replenish the treasury. they won't come up with a jobs package. it seems republicans are trying to avoid the debate shifting from obamacare than things that would help americans. if they care, they'll do something about it. but caring is not what they're all about. a congressman joins us tonight. good to have you with us. >> always good to be with you, ed. >> why is it difficult for republicans to talk about homelessness and income inequality? >> any human being who has compassion for their fellow

human being would be addressing this. we need to deal with them and we can. we've done it in the past when johnson started in 1964. on this day, he declared a war on poverty. we've been at it all this time. we've made a lot of progress, but we have more to do right now. >> there are fewer poorer people in the world today than back in the 60s. no question about it. but in contemporary time, we've had wars we haven't paid for. we have had medicare part d, which we didn't pay for. there's been a few things that have happened that have hurt the war on the poor. conservatives never seem to explain how they would help the poor. are we doing the right things? >> no, we're clearly not. the minimum wage needs to be

increased. when reagan was governor of the state of california, it was like $7. that was equal to $10.25 today. that's one issue. we can go beyond that. the president two years ago proposed a jobs program for america. it had many different pieces to it. it had a powerful infrastructure piece which we need. we need to build the foundation, the roads, the water systems, and the like. nothing has happened here in congress on that because the house of representatives is controlled by the republicans. they refuse to deal with it. he talked about education and research. the only thing that's happened is the republicans have downsized all of those critical ingredients of economic growth and jobs. >> what does it say that the republicans have put together somewhat of a coaching playbook for their members to go out and

explain how they view unemployment, that it is, quote, a personal crisis for that worker and the family? are they on the defensive? is the worm turning? >> they're clearly on the defensive. they're not getting action at the federal level from the republican congress. you can't fake empathy. you either have it and you show it in when you do. it's not what you say. it's what you do. republican congress is not doing the things that will deal with the problems of unemployment. it's a very serious issue. keep in mind, that in the previous ten years before 2008, '9, when the new administration came in, nearly 3 million jobs were lost. in the last years, we have seen

nearly 8 million jobs created. we've done a lot, but we need to do more. >> with no republican help. >> none at all. >> good to have you with us tonight. coming up, the bridgegate controversy is building. more information ahead. plus, tell evangelist pat robertson has some ideas for what's behind these recent freezing temperatures. of course he lands in the pretenders tonight. i'll answer your questions next.

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jersey were shutdown prior to chris christie's reelection in an alleged get back. this morning "the record" published e-mails between bridget kelly and daniel wildstein. time for some traffic problems in fort lee. the response, got it. >> th that hasn't stopped christie from trying to distance himself. he released a statement this afternoon saying, i'm outraged that i was misled by my staff and this conduct was made without my knowledge.

one thing is clear, this type of behavior is unacceptable not only because i will not tolerate it, but the people of new jersey deserve better. i'm joined by ms. maxwell and mr. johnson, whose district includes fort lee, the town affected by bridge closures. what's your response to what the governor has said in his statement this afternoon? >> i find it extremely hard to believe that a deputy chief of staff sitting in the front office would initiate an action like this without him knowing about it, but we have no proof that he directed anyone to do this. i find it hard to believe with the way he runs his office, a

tight office, that ms. kelly would do this. >> the first time governor christie was asked about this in front of the media, this was his reaction. he made a joke of it in light of what was going on. >> i worked the cones actually. unbeknownst to everybody, i was actually the guy out there. i wasn't in overalls and a hat. but i was the guy working the cones out there. >> what is the question tonight, mr. johnson? >> maybe what he said in that clip was true. maybe he was there working the con cones. apparently, it came out of his office. we have a meeting tomorrow with some folks coming in under subpoena. as we go into our next session, the committee will receive the

authority to continue this investigation. let's see where it takes us for now. we know now that this came of the governor's office from a deputy chief of staff in his office. that would -- i hope he brings ms. kelly in under subpoena so we can get more information out of her. >> i find very interesting the response from the port authority, got it. almost as if i've had other orders in the past. >> absolutely. >> that response, it's very defining. got it. your response to that. >> because the person who wrote that e-mail is someone who has known chris christie since he was in high school. it's part of a pattern here. what's telling to me is he was very nonchalant. with this, he was very tempered.

that was actually a clue to that there's something more there. we know that he was not lying -- or actually we don't know that. before his statement, i would say lying or clueless. now it seems clueless, but it is somebody directly in his office. >> he said in his statements that he was misled. >> that sounds to me like they are throwing bridget kelly under the bus, for real. this makes him unfit for office. you need to be able to appoint people you can trust and who are loyal to you but not to a point where they're going to seek political retribution on your enemies. >> i'm curious about when he was misled. was it before he made that statement to the media joking about working the cones? when was he misled? there's a domino effect in this story. >> i can't answer that. he says he was misled.

we had wildstein come before us, the transportation incommittee, with a fabricated traffic study. now we find that this actually initiated in the governor's office. i'm not quite sure what he's referring to when he says he was misled. >> the mayor of fort lee has said he is concerned about possible retribution once this story goes away. how does that rest with you? >> i would be concerned for the mayor. he depends on -- fort lee depends on the port authority for funding. they get funding for snowplowing and equipment to assist its borough and their expenseexpens. he's looking for a grant out of the department of

transportation, which is under the governor's purview. >> could this turn into a criminal investigation? >> absolutely. subpoenas for chris christie's e-mails could come in the future. that hasn't happened yet. we haven't seen his personal kor respond dan -- correspondence. >> he claim he was misled. claiming that this is not him. this is not his administration. well, apparently it is because one of the responses was, got it. that's the first time that guy had been given an order? >> absolutely. the e-mail exchanges read as this is something that happens all the time. he's on the list with this other person, this other mayor, who is also our enemy. this is par for the course for him. he needs to put everything on

the table. he needs to release everything. he can't lie. you don't want to continue this supposed cover-up further. >> doesn't this story parallel his actions in the way he has bullied people in town hall meetings and the way he went to iowa and said, you better vote for this guy or you'll get the new jersey treatment, i'm paraphrasing? >> he is persona is belligerent and dismissive. i have a hard time believing this deputy chief of staff would do something without his permission. we know his personality that he's put out there, his reputation that he's created. you can't just reverse that now. >> your thoughts on a possible criminal investigation.

there are two employees who have resigned that have lawyered up. >> i believe as we go further and as we get more facts out of the transportation committee under subpoena powers, i think there's a very good chance you'll see a criminal investigation. we don't do that. that's done under the executive branch. >> no one has been fired under this. do you want to hear from bridget kelly? >> i do under subpoena. dismissing people doesn't give you the answers you need. i want the answers. those working class who couldn't get to work that day or those days because of the four-hour back up need to know what was going on and why they couldn't get to work. >> this is rather arrogant.

you can't help but wonder if he were to get more power what he would really be like. >> this is terrifying. i think this completely makes him unfit for higher office. you can't have instances of political retribution. >> good to have you with us tonight. coming up, a senator walks into a homeless man's shoes. chris murphy joins us when we come back. stay with us. e. ♪ ♪ ♪ oh are we early? [ male announcer ] commute your way with the bold, all-new nissan rogue. ♪ getting the right nutrition isn't always easy.

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we're headed for something very, very different. it's getting warmer, you know, in jupiter and they don't have any suvs driving around in jupiter. it has nothing to do with greenhouse gases. >> must have caught a radio newscast from jupiter the other day. it is so far-reaching he uses a planet 4 million miles away as evidence? jupiter's climate and surface aren't fit for comparison to the earth's climate. jupiter may be a planet made of gas, but if pat robertson thinks people will believe his hot air, he can keep on pretending. ♪ we'll come to your door and return them ♪ ♪ gifts you bought but never gave away ♪

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cheese. >> the chance of them running out of cheese seems far fetched. >> today's top trender, a mile in their shoes. >> senator chris murphy of connecticut challenged a homeless man of real world challenges of getting back on your feet. chris murphy spend the day with the homeless. >> when you cut off unemployment benefits you essentially makes homeless tens of thousands of people. >> 4.9 million could lose their unemployment insurance by the end of 2014. >> the longer they are unemployed the less likely they are ever to get a job. theology that has been perpetuated by pi colleagues that jobless benefits encourage people to stay out of work orien courage people to stay out on the streets is flat wrong. >> joining us tonight senator chris murphy of connecticut. senator, good to have you with us tonight. i want to commend you for what you did. walking with the homeless.

walking a mile in their shoes. seeing a life that no one wants. what did you learn, senator? >> i learned it's an absolutely dehumanizing experience. the idea you have to spend your entire day essentially trying to stay alive, keep warm, find food, go to bed to do it again especially for these folks who are newly homeless, who have been working for their entire lives. the guy i was with had worked 40 years before he lost his job, is out of work and out on streets. it sucks the life out of you. for this guy whose only income was $100 a week in unemployment benefits to now have that taken away from him it adds tremendous insult to grievous injury. you listen to my colleagues talk about this mythology in which they really do believe that when you give somebody a little bit of help from the government that that encourages them to continue

that behavior. if you spend some time with this guy nick or with his friends on the town green in new haven each one of them has a plan back to employment. when you're filling out job applications and your address is the homeless shelter it's imto get an interview. these unemployment benefits that keep people from homelessness is the only thing that's allowing them to have a shot at a job and that's the true reality. >> you saw homeless people trying to get work. >> yes. we spent two hours in the basement of the new haven public library and every single one of those computers was taken. not every single one of them by somebody who is homeless but almost every one of them by people who were jobless and spending hours of their day filling out dozens of applications online. to tell the truth there's some people who are living in the shelter in new haven, connecticut who are working, who are working part time, temporary jobs that don't pay enough to

afford rent and mortgages. even people who are working in this terrible economy have had their hours and wages stripped back so for the only place for them to live is out on streets. >> what's the remedy? >> the remedy is to understand there's a solution through government. in the short term the lifeline to these families are extended emergency unemployment benefits. that's what separates millions of families from homelessness. but the other remedy is to understand that when there aren't job training slots for these people, when there are long lines at these shelters, that that just perpetuates joblessness and homelessness. the government has to step up not just make sure there's unemployment benefits, make sure there are position at these shelters but give them education pathways back network. >> i want to play senator marko rubio's thoughts on minimum wage. >> this is their solution to what the president called the

defining issue of our time. raising the minimum wage may poll well but having a job that pace $10 an hour is not the american dream. >> i know the democrats will make minimum wage an issue along with the conversation of income in equality. what's your response to the man across the aisle there from florida >> listen, no one wants to make the minimum wage, but the reality is that millions of people do. and it is not a living wage. and so the idea that we're trying to give people the american dream by providing them with a couple dollars more in income isn't the case. i've heard this from republicans over and over again democrats answer is to increase minimum wage. democrats answer is only to provide unemployment benefits. they are components of a safety net that allow people access to the other things that encompass the american dream. our solution also is rebuilding america to put people back to work and paying our teachers and public employees what they

deserve having an educational system that actually provides a real pathway to employment. >> senator, i know our audience commends you for doing what you did. stepping out with the homeless and finding out what it's like. senator chris murphy. that's the ed show. politics destination with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, time for some traffic problems in fort lee. those eight words are sending shockwaves towards new jersey governor chris christie tonight. they are contained in a stack of private emails and text messages among top christie aides that became public today. documents that make clear a local political story now reaches all the way into the office of governor christie. more than a month governor