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or he's incompetent. >> what i read yesterday makes me angry. i was blindsided. i am embarrassed, humiliated, sad, stunned, i'm sick over this. >> i don't care he's disheare d disheartened, i don't care if he's sad, who does? >> i am not a bully. >> it's a question of culture. he's got to do a reset there. >> i am not a focus group tested, blow dried analyst. >> christie is not a bull ly, nixon is not a crook and this is not a pipe. start with new revelations today about the george washington bridge scandal plaguing nooj governor chris christie, over 2,000 pages of

newly released documents indicate some members of christie's inner circle were move involved than previously indicated. new questions are being raised about the length christie's staff went to cover up. the new jersey assembly will extend the subpoena power, which was set to expire in a few days. >> you're also from new jersey if i'm not mistaken? >> yes. >> i have the new jersey people were me. our own michael isikoff told me

if governor christie's top aides were part of a coverup, the governor could be impeached. that is pretty tough language. steve, what do you make of that? >> well, first of all, i wish he was on my show so we made some news. impeachment is extremely premature. it's not only a question of his top aides were aware. the question is is something going to come out that links him directly to this. there are all sorts of things in motion that could bring that information to light if that exists, but i don't think you can start talking about that until and unless that comes to light. >> the part we learned overnight, we were learning more about who was in the inner circle may have been more connected to what was going on, may have been more knowledgeable about the complaints being raised, concerns being raised earlier on than we thought. >> absolutely. you see in the e-mails that from

the first day david wildstein knew that the ems and emergency response crews were having trouble getting through the traffic to respond to calls. you have him from day one knowing the dangers was present and the governor's office being forwarded an e-mail from the port authority saying this has been a problem and it may have broken laws. you have somebody directly in the governor's officer nothing e knowing it was an issue. >> pat foy basically does this scathing e-mail about this is outrageous and we have to fix that and that gets forwarded to lots of many people and regina, chief of staff in september, basically had some knowledge about what was going on.

>> e-mail was forwarded to her right away -- >> high importance right away. >> it says that federal and state laws might be being broken here. her role was -- she was important is for all of the employees of chris christie at the agencies around the state. she's been designated by christie to become the new staff ta -- chief of staff. that whole shift is on hold because do you want this guy to be the chief law enforcement officer of the state under this cloud? >> one of the things i found so interesting, pat, who wrote the e-mail that was forwarded was a cuomo appointee. maybe it was a cya kind of thing but it clearly seemed to indicate he was very much out of

the look whereas many of the e-mails from the governor's people, it's a lot of cryptic, it's time for x done, that kind of language. >> time for a traffic jam, i would say what are you talking about? if you were really somebody to start a study, wouldn't you say hey, time to start a study? "time to start a traffic jam" and "got it" makes everyone think this is something they had spoken about previously or had done previously. it's like an episode of "lost," with every answer there's a million new questions. that's what's happen noing now. in is a breach of the public trust. they knew the traffic jam was a problem from day one. it continued. you have homeland security issues that are relevant here, particularly the week of 9/11. so i think we just need more information. but in is very serious. i don't care so much about 2016.

i care about the safety of the people in new jersey. they put people's lives in dangedan danger and that's what's important here. >> what's damning in the e-mails is the lengths it was going to both stone wall legitimate questions from reporters about what was happening as well to try to stonewall others who were trying to raise question. there's a whole fleuurry of e-mails. do you think part of the goal behind that, as i had mentioned in the open, the subpoena was supposed to run out in three days. do you think they were trying to run down the clock? >> that has been my theory. i've been giving a little bit of the doubt to christie, not in that i think he's completely innocent and completely was duped by his staff here, but that i thought he was willfully blind to a lot of this.

but the two things, one, as we say, regina egea, the fact this went to his office three hours after that pat foy thing went out in september, you have to believe she did not raise this with him for four plus months. and david wildstein in his whilings, twhil filings, the subpoena said they were records directly related to the lane closures. he submitted text message records that indicate a meeting between chris christie and dave samson, his appointee of the transportation authority, a meeting for the week before. his lawyer says at the end of that hearing basically give us some immunity, there's a lot more we can tell you. that raises a lot of red flags.

>> there were also some of the e-mails where he had forwarded some of the e-mail from his official account to his personal account, which always suggests to me you're trying to sort of take it off line so you've got it in your back pocket for later. i want to talk about the stonewalling. we have the e-mail where he tells patrick we can't have public discourse. can i talk to you? well, it can't be public. then we have radio silence when we're talking about questions raised from mayor sokolich. it's a small office in that general circle. it's hard to believe with all of that going on the governor had no knowledge or even curiosity about what was going on because certainly he saw the news accounts was what was happening. >> certainly he sees the news accounts, and probably being a reasonably intelligent guy and

more to the point a former federal prosecutor for who a career put two and two together in this way, probably future two and two together. my point is at what point does he come into this? if he came into it a little bit later, then the willful ignorance thing comes into play, he thinks to himself, if i can play dumb, not ask questions and get to the 14th of january, it big news today that a democratic speaker says we're going to extend subpoena power. nationally that may not sound like news. this is a democratic speaker who is in place because of an alliance because of chris christie and pro-chris christie democrats. this is an incoming speaker who was not expected until about 72 hours ago to extend the subpoena authority. this is a big deal today. >> clearly that shows there is enough evidence, enough concern and political pressure that this new speaker of the assembly felt

he couldn't not do this. and former new jersey governor tom keen who had been an ally of chris christie raised some interesting questions in the post about his leadership. he said "on the one hand i think he's got a lot to offer. i think he's the most able politician since bill clinton. on the other hand, you look at these other qualities and ask do you really want that in your president? that is pretty dramatic coming from somebody who is supposed to be your mentor. >> the president is the command are in chief in terms of the nuclear launch goes. that is a pretty serious responsibility. can you have people in charge who by his own account he didn't know what was going on in his own office. it wasn't some mid-level employees, it was somebody directly in your office, you didn't know. that leads to very serious questions about his leadership abilities. >> and final question to you, as you point out we've got the

democratic new speaker coming in thursday, they're going to try to expand the subpoena. but also as you pointed out, so he lost the vote yesterday on the pipeline project. he had to pull his nominee for the state supreme court and his chief of staff's nomination to be the a.g. is now stalled. does that suggest that cristi christie's power is starting to wane a little bit? >> chris christie has been protected because of his public popularity, other politicians haven't wanted to go after him, when people have written things in the media, it hasn't gained much tracks. behind the scenes he has played sort of the behind-the-scenes game in trenton effectively and you would say ruthlessly, too. and in a way like we're talking about, this incoming assembly speaker. he cultivated an alliance with key democrats in the state. democrats in that state rolled over for him in that election.

and the question now is does that start to change. is there enough of a popular backlash among democrats that they force their party to confront this guy and does the media preach him with a level of skepticism what they haven't yet. >> thank you, steve and zerlina. don't forget to catch steve tomorrow morning on "up" every monday morning at 8 p.m. >> i know the stages of grief. it goes sadness, press conference, anger, denial, political death. ? we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work.

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as we continue to go through these documents, it's clear that bridgegate is only continuing to unfold. thanks to you both for joining me. i need to start with our breaking news, this announcement that the incoming assembly speaking is going to hold a special session on thursday but has raised impossibility of impea impeachment, knowing that if it is proven that the government is involved, that's a possibility. >> so we're using the "i" word

now. >> we're using the "i" word now. >> i think it's a little early to use the "i" word. we'll be getting more testimony, getting more information on who, when, why and how. well, we know how. if it comes to that later on, we can talk about the "i" word, impeachment. >> you and i were talking about this yesterday. 24 hours later it's almost a different story because we now know there is someone, the current chief of staff to the government, who was notified earlier on about what was happening and the concerns that had been raised so that does get us closer to the government's office and to the governor himself. >> your colleague and my friend steve kornacki i think has identified seven people who were in the governor's circle who knew something about it and so we have to ask how could all those people no about it and he no have a clue.

i wasn't really surprised from anything that came along. it looked like they were a great deal more concerned in shutting down the interest and looking into this than they were about all the people backed up on the road. >> as a representative from the state, are you concerned about beyond just the sort of idea of political retribution, i mean citizens were actually potentially harmed, inconvenienced, you had children on buses, people missing or late for work. are you concerned about that? >> i was outraged. using a bridge for political payback, working people just trying to go to work every day, first responds are who can't respond to calls, their response time was lengthened by this, by the report of a missing child, a

cardiac arrest, paramedic couldn't get there and 9/11 week -- >> doesn't that increase the pressure to get to the bottom of this, to figure out about the governor how involved he was if and how he was? >> every one of these cars had people in them. we're really talking about people. one of the things i thought was sad was a fellow who had been out of work for a year, finally got a job and then he was late on the first day. can you imagine the pressure that poor man suffered? >> talking about people, let's talk about this. you wrote about this. you have a chapter in your book "putting the bully in bully pulpit," despite all his claims to the opposite, people do see the governor has a bully. for a lot of people it rang hollow in the press conference

he was worried about being lied to but not necessarily about the idea that there might be a culture in his office. there is a former governor who was accused by christie of blocking nominees. he was stripped of his security detail. a rutgers professor was bullied. the professor sided with democrats on a redistricting plan, $169,000 of programs cut through line-item veto. >>. >> well, you're right. probably the question i'm asked most about when the book came out is is he a bully? it's a question i have difficulty answer. he certainly is in your face, he certainly is aggressive. i guess it depends on how you grew up and when you thought is a bully. if somebody has a 2 x 4 and steals your lunch money every day, that's a bully.

however, if somebody does you wrong and you can return the favor, i'm not so sure that's the bully. i don't find chris christie to be rare among the people who wait for patriyback in that gam. >> it does seem he tends to keep score. it suggests at a minimum a guy who plays hard ball politic, has a list of who has been naughty and nice and that there's retribution. >> i think we ought to be fair but we have to say that's not uncommon in politics. >> his style and brand is tougher. >> he may be a little more out front when this kind of thing. >> one of the things that's starting to come out now as we're hearing more and more of these stories of fears of retaliation or we started with this was supposed to be retaliation against a democratic mayor who didn't support him in the governor's race. are you hearing that from your colleagues in terms of any of

the inklings that this is a governor who, you know, you got to do what he says or there will be consequences? >> well, he's belligerent and i think he is a bully. when you refer to a gay legislator by calling him numb nuts openly and my colleague, a senior citizen, tell the press to take a bat to her. these things went on and on in open forum. but the retribution ford the mayor of fort lee i don't know. i can't figure out why they would cause this traffic and the victims of this are the people. >> we will continue to find out and your body will continue to do the work to get to the bottom

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war on poverty a stafailure? instead of continuing to borrow and spend trillions on programs that don't work, we need a real agenda. >> we have a haphazard smorgasbord of programs that aren't coordinated with each other. >> we have got to act fast before it's too late for too many. >> we have been deluged by government programs for the unemployed, programs for the cities, programs for the poor, and we have reaped from these programs an ugly harvest of frustration, violence and failure across the land. >> this week marked 50 years since president lyndon johnson declared a war on poverty. his programs strategically targeted areas like education, hunger, health care and retirement. while the programs initially

enjoyed broad popularity, conservatives of all stripes began to change their tune. quote, following world war ii and the rise of the civil rights movement, welfare programs open to african-americans triggering a counterattack from kfrts in both political parties who saw the to portray these programs as wasteful, unnecessary and encouraging government dependen dependence. hmm, where i have heard that before? the conservative rhetoric declaring them an all-out failure as we heard from senators rubio, kanter and ryan. joining me is congressman elijah cummings. thanks for joining me. >> it's good to be with you. >> i want to get your reaction to what we heard from the republicans this week. it strikes me they're always talking in piecemeal approaches,

that they're trying to separate people out and pit people get each other and taking a piecemeal approach remember than a holistic appropriation to the war on poverty. >> first of all, they're trying to say that the war on poverty was not successful. nothing could be further from the truth. if we look at a program as significant as medicare. when you think about medicare, karen, 50 years ago 50% of our seniors had no health care coverage. none. and today just about every one of them have it. it's become part of the fabric of our country. when you look at food stamps and look at medicaid, all of these things have been a part of helping people avoid poverty and move into the middle class. i think basically there's a

cruel joke being played here and that is that they are saying that these programs have not worked and then they use that to try to justify taking away this -- these very important programs that help a lot of people. >> but, congressman, it struck me that we heard chairman reince priebus say we don't need to change our policies, we need to change how we talk about our policies. listening to the rhetoric this week when talking about these programs, sounds like they're looking at the same research you and i are looking at when you have 71% of americans supporting an increase in minimum wage, 58% supporting extending unemployment for three months. americans support these programs. it sounds like they're trying to support their rhetoric and not their approach and policies.

>> americans really want to make sure that their children do better than what they did. but, you know, sadly, one of the saddest and most crippling forms of segregation is the segregation of hopelessness. and that's -- and when you have poverty, that's an inevitable byproduct of it. in other words, so people don't have hope. it's hard for them to see their children doing better. they go out and work, karen, long hours, and they discover they're making less. so we've got to take a look at this and try to figure out exactly what the republicans are doing. basically what they're saying is that we want to chop away the safety net, such as unemployment insurance, chop away those things that have allowed people to at least stay afloat and put them in a position where they cannot move forward, which is very sad. but at the same time they say

they care. >> final point to you, i want to talk positively about some of the democratic ideas. democrats are going to push this year for an increase in the minimum wage, tension of unemployment insurance, affordable housing, the president talked about promise zones. democrats are trying to put forward positive ideas and some of these ideas sort of modernizing the approaches that we take. >> yeah, i think we're -- but there's more to it than that, karen. wooe we've got to do all the thing, you said, have some type of infrastructure job program in addition to the things you said. but we've also got to figure out who do we create wealth, the passing on of wealth from within generation to another. we have to do things like making sure that children are getting good pre-k education,i helping young people go to college.

i'm the son of two share croppers and yet i sit in the senate today. i had the opportunity to go to college. we've got to look at things like social security and make sure people have security when they get older. we shouldn't be shrinking it, we should be expanding it. >> congressman, thanks for your work and thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> these programs have been transformed through messaging and dog whistle politics as a way to hold people down. listen to the way right-wing media refers to people living in poverty. >> true poverty is being driven by personal behavior, not an unfair economic system. in 1963 just 6% of american babies were born out of wedlock and now 41% are, that includes 72% of african-american babies. >> that's right. blame the victim. and toss in a little racially charged language while you're at

it. as author ian haney lopez describes in his book, he states that reagan always denied any racism and emphasized he never mentioned race. he didn't need to because he was blowing a dog whistle. thanks to you both for joining me. ian, just talk about the book a bit. we've seen this week where we had this conversation about the war on poverty, it seems to very well fit with the premise of where we saw this shift in our history to more of this dog whistle politics. >> absolutely. here's the basic point. in order for people to have a path out of poverty and the middle class to thrive, we need a government that's geared

toward helping the middle class and not toward helping the rich. in order to stop that, we have to stop being divided by race. we're being divided by race by a new racial rhetoric that operates by code, things like welfare cheats, things like illegal aliens. these are terms operating like dog whistles. on one level you can't hear the race because there's no surface reference to race. on the other they're triggering tremendous racial anxiety. they're making people afraid of minorities but also afraid of government. as a result we have a lot of the american public who sees the takers in their lives are poor minorities rather than it being the 1% and the big corporations. we need to change that. >> heather, that rhetoric also we're seeing efforts at the state level to drug test people who might be on welfare or shame children with stamps on their hands who are eligible for free lunch programs. there's all sorts of efforts at

the state and local level that reinforces the messaging and yet race is not mentioned. >> it's a frustrating moment we're in. you look at the things that have caused this record economic insecurity and inequality and it really is all about the right-ring trickle down economic agenda. and yet people like mitt romney, who really sort of personified the billionaire pluticrat are able to get support from the middle-class who never would aware of the fact that he was reasoning anti-welfare ads when welfare was never a political issue. >> you talk about the tea party. the tea party movement is a movement in and of itself. at the same time it feels like it's part of a larger historical context of movements that come along when the status quo feels threatened. the tea partiers wouldn't think

of themselves as status quo but we're seeing the rise of the majority country, the rules are changing in such a wark y, immigration, that the status quo feels threatened. is that part of your book? >> that's part of the point but i'd frame is differently. a lot of the people in the tea party are threatened but they're threatened by a party that has stopped serving the poor and middle class. why are wages declining? why are public schools no good anymore? why is the infrastructure deteriorating? they need a way to understand it. conservatives have given them a way to understand it. conservatives say blame minorities. it's up to the liberals to say this is not about minorities. we will all move forward together when we start being divided by race. it's the very rich to think the

game shouldi be rigged in their favorite. >> the challenge is because the phraseology and messaging has changed, it's harder to point it out when you see it happening. i have got my dog whistle, get yours. thank you ian lopez and heather mcgee. >> tank you. -- thank you. >> we'll be right back. [ coughs ] [ male announcer ] so when he catches a cold, he's got to power through it. ♪ vicks dayquil. powerful non-drowsy 6 symptom cold and flu relief. winter olympian ted ligety can't take a sick day tomorrow. [ coughs ] [ male announcer ] so he can't let a cold keep him up tonight. vicks nyquil. powerful nighttime 6 symptom cold and flu relief. ♪ explaining my moderate to severe so there i was again, chronic plaque psoriasis to another new stylist. it was a total embarrassment.

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to live an average of 20 years longer. smoking remains the number one preventable cause of death. >> jethank you both for joining me. >> you're welcome. >> jeff, i wonder if you could take us back and remind us what a huge deal this was when the surgeon general's report came out and this idea of formally linking and saying publicly and having a surgeon general's warning about the dangers of smoking and health hazards? >> luther terry's '64 report was the culmination of a lot of scientific evidence generated by physicians in the u.k. which linked tobacco smoke or tobacco

use to lung cancer. what terry did with a group of other physicians is actually looked at over 7,000 scientific articles and concluded that smoking and tobacco use was direct live linked to lung cancer in men, emphysema, bronchitis and that tobacco products were harmful. and this was sort of a bomb shell to the tobacco history who previously to this had developed lights cigarettes with the moniker if you smoke a light cigarettes, it was a healthier alternative or they said they would do everything they could do to understand how tobacco products interacted with those who used it. the report was the catalyst that changed the way tobacco products

were used in normal every day life. >> right. >> and it has continued since 1964, as you mentioned, 8 million lives have been saved. we've reduced tobacco use in this country from 48% or 40% down to 18%. we've reduced exposure, 50% of the population to secondhand smoke or involuntary smoke. it was the start of the catalyst that started many, many health changes. >> part of what i always have found so shocking is there was a time when people believed that sucking on fire was not bad for your health. just such a change in attitude and such a change with the information. but how is it possible that people once believed it was actually even good for you? >> well, it was part of the times. over 50% of the men during 1964

smoked and they were projecting that women would start to smoke as well and that happened. dr. terry was very instrumental of this. today the public health commission officers laid a wreath at dr. terry's grave in arlington today to commemorate what he has done. every surgeon general since then has released reports on the scientific evidence that the doctor was describing. today 1,200 die every day because of smoking. 90% of all smokers start before the age of 18, 99% before the age of 26. if we could just get our younger generation to stop, not take their first cigarette before the age of 26, they have less than 1% chance of ever smoking. so we can make our next generation tobacco free. that's where we have to go from

now. we made tremendous strides but now we need to close that loop and start to focus on our young people. >> i want to understood score this point, dr. benjamin. while i think the 1964 report is so pivotal, as we look back today, it also shows us that government can play a role in changing behavior and a positive way in terms of improving the health of its citizens. 1965 cigarette packs required carrying warning labels and then 1969, warnings on television and they started to restrict areas in restaurants. it does show there is a role for government to play. >> a major role for government to play. it's also a role for everyone to play. but what we started to do with these policies and changes little by little, with the help of foundations and others as

well government was to start to changes social norms. the social norms was that it was okay, it was good. we started to show the evidence that it wasn't. putting these small policies in place, having no smoking areas in restaurants. now we have no smoking areas. to see this today, i'm here in las vegas today to speak to a medical conference and to walk through those casinos and smell the smoke, i can't help but feel bad for those workers who work in that environment who are being exposed to toxic fumes from smoke ining. >> jeff, you played a huge role. the tobacco history fought this tooth and nail, continues to do so. now we see an increase in smoking at the global level because they've sort of moved from the united states to sort of other markets. but talk about sort of the resistance from the tobacco history and the work that you did to uncover the science of

the impact of smoking on people's health. >> the tobacco history continues to do all it can do to sell a legal profit that they know is not only lethal to the user but to the innocent bystander. as developed countries throughout the world, the united states, canada, the u.k., start developing under the framework of tobacco control, a w.h.o. program in 2003, started creating the structure by which tobacco would be normalized throughout the world. well, in developing countries, there is a social economic difference. there is a lower regulatory barrier to entrance and the tobacco industry now has shifted out of the united states and developed marks ets to developi markets. >> unfortunately, jeffrey, we're

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