asked you, why are you awake now? >> i don't want to be in your shot. >> that's okay. donna says, too much excitement on downton abbey and revenge. then, decided to stay up to catch your first show live. >> the wine isn't done yet. >> is that our t.j.? >> i hope not. >> david sampson says a witty reason why i'm awake and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. >> or, thomas, maybe the coffee was wrong. >> i'm sorry, tomorrow is another day, mika. >> it is. we will give it a try. you won't bad at the golden globes stuff. why don't you come on over? join us right now. >> i'm coming! >> starts right now! >> the golden globe goes to

"breaking bad". >> and the golden globe goes to "american hustle." >> the golden globe award goes to "12 years -- >> the golden globe goes to. >> leonardo dicaprio. >> cate blanchett. >> math mcconaughey. >> and the golden globe goes to amy poehler! >> wow! they were real smooching there. good morning, it is monday, january 13th. with us on the set "time" magazine mark halpern and thomas roberts will join us and steve rattner will jump in the seat for the shock being job numbers and look at that and in terms of the economy. more updates on the chris

christie scandal which certainly everyone has been talking about all weekend long. some key questions that still linger even after that two-hour news conference last week. did you all see "60 minutes" last night, alex rodriguez? >> saw a lot of it. >> is one year enough if it's all true? it's got to be over. >> he's going to be 40 years old and he's had injuries. if he comes back, he'll be a shell of the man he once was. >> we will get to that and show you part of that interview on "60 minutes" with scott pelley "american hustle" sweeping two of the female acting categories. amy adams and jennifer lawrence won it. the movie won for a comedy or musical which is strange because it wasn't either.

in the dramatic acting categories, this i think was a big surprise but well surprised. matthew mcconaughey won and cate blanchett for "blue jasmine." a lot of people were surprised, 12 years a slave" was shut out but it did win the big one. our friend john ridley was behind that movie. big night for "breaking bad" won. as for the comedies, "brooklyn 99" won best tv comedy and andy sandberg won best actor in a comedy. and amy poehler won. "snl" between tina and amy and

amy wins the award and jimmy fallon is there and lawrence michael cutways, his master plan went into effect. what were your big surprises of the night? >> i watched on dvr. >> don't study too hard for this job. >> last night, i got to go to the beautiful opening night for carole king musical so that was beautiful. i only got to watch part of the golden globes on dvr. i thought amy and tina knocked it out of the park. you get made fun of, i think you feel special and they made a lot of people feel special. jack phrased it at interesting. i think some people they are so drunk they need a helmet when they leave so they can protect themselves for the after-party. maybe she was stunned because she has not been on that stage in many a year but her acceptance speech was interesting.

her distance to the stage was also one for the record. >> that was a theme if you were on twitter last night or watching without the benefit of twitter. the time it took for people to get from their seats to the stage. >> with the exception of robin wright who sprinted. >> i loved her acceptance speech saying, i'm not going through all of this stuff. thank you. good-bye. >> saved time for barry adelman. >> "breaking bad" table was four layers deep. you know they were going to win. it took poor bryan cranston going into the second time to get up there. >> they love people who lose lots of weight and if you're bipolar you will get a statuette. they like to take people i guess have taken all of us on a ride. cate blanchett was fantastic. >> she really was. >> i just watched that over the weekend. it was great. it made us very anxious the whole time but it was great. >> i like the way barry adelman lit the audience. the audience was lit.

very nicely. where did they get that light? if he could send that here! >> two lites. >> oh, no! i meant lighting. yeah. is that a saying? >> they always get lit. that is the whole point. >> i better watch it. >> the light streaming off the glasses on the table, refracted light. >> we were just complaining, mr. halpern and i. you get tina and amy 12 minutes at the top and you're so excited and primed and they disappear for 45 minutes. then they disappear. you want more. >> let them host. >> when they introduced miss golden globe which was kevin bacon and kyra sedgwick's daughter. >> beautiful. >> randy. >> child from a previous relationship. >> perhaps with harvey weinstein.

>> and her father was in the audience which she came to seek. >> thank you, thomas roberts. we will switch chairs here as we get to steve rattner. the shocking jobs numbers that came out and what may be described as a sense of confusion now on wall street. traders are still unsure about the impact of the fed's decision to pull back its stimulus measures and while the stock market surged last year, it's off to a relatively quiet start in 2014. last week's disappointing jobs report wasn't enough to spook investors completely but it does illustrate a lack of enthusiasm, so let's -- enthusiasm to buy. let's go to steve rattner who has now jumped in the hot seat. first take us through how things are looking for the job market. >> let's start with the jobs numbers. the jobs numbers, the only good thing you can really say about the jobs numbers was that it was just one month and on several other levels, it was pretty disappointing. you can start with the actual

number of jobs and you'll see that it was only -- excuse me. i'm losing my vioice. >> it does that to you. >> we only gained 74,000 jobs in the month of december compared to an verg for the 11 months so far this year of 192,000 jobs. congress were really blindsided and very few economists expected this to happen. you say why did it happen? looking back now, economists see that there was cold weather, there was actually a loss of construction jobs for the first time in quite a while. all of that does play into effect. you can also see one month of jobs numbers is always admirational and we have had other months where that has happened. the principal cause for the decline in unemployment rate. the one piece of good news the unemployment rate went down but it's actually kind of bad news.

the reason it's bad news is people are dropping out of the labor force and something we have talked about before, but it accelerated in december and so you're now down to 62.8% of americans actually saying that they want to work. this is the lowest level since 1978 and it's compromised of a couple of different components which makes it a little more complicated. one being that we do have changing demographics and those of us that are in the baby boom generation are beginning to retire and that takes us out of the labor force but there are clearly a very large number of discouraged workers of people who just don't think it's worth their while to look for work any more. there were something like 375,000 people who dropped out of the labor force in december alone. so the fact that the unemployment rate went down is actually not the good news it seems like many of us expect that as the economy recovers some of those discouraged workers will come back in the labor force and put pressure on the unemployment rate. >> steve, it's not the baby

boomers or older people dropping out of the work force. if you look inside the numbers, a lot of young people dropped out. you say people are getting older and not working any more but that is not really the case with these numbers. >> that is absolutely right, willie, not the case. there is essence surrounding maybe a quarter of those 375,000 people left the labor force were because they were older and getting ready to retire. some think it's less. but whatever it is, hundreds of thousands of people the last month and last three years have left the labor force because they are discouraged and just don't say they are looking for work any more. >> we have the weather stuff and seasonal. are there structural things that people are looking at that saying maybe this is a bigger problem? >> in terms of the months numbers? >> yeah. >> i don't think yet. there is a little sign of softness in things like automobiles, but i think, for the most part, people are looking at the weather and

basically saying it's one month. the previous month was revised up by 38,000 so the numbers are always subject for revision but so far, we are not that worried. here is one other thing that doesn't get as much attention in the jobs report i think we should be worrying about which is wages. it is also reported the wages every month. since the end of the recession, these are real wages meaning after adjustment for inflation. they have gone up a bit. they have gone down a bit and looks like we were on an upward trend the last few months but in december and november, real wages moved back down. in december, real wages only 0.6 of a% above where they were a year ago. very hard to have a sustainable recovery if people don't have incomes to spend. if you don't have money, you can't spend it. if people can't spend, you don't get a strong recovery. that is something that doesn't get as much attention when these numbers come out every month. >> we are going to be revisiting

this during must reads. let's move on to chris christie. more subpoenas to come as early as today surrounding the scandal of the george washington bridge and chris christie played a role. the official overseeing the state hearings want to question staffers like bridget anne kelly who was fired and cautioning it's still early in the investigation he acknowledged in impeachment for governor christie is possible. >> i don't think it's credible for a governor to have his chief of staff, his communication director, his deputy chief of staff all involved, his chief counsel all involved in e-mail communications on the day this took place and the days after talking to not only about the problems that were created in ft. lee, but also talking about how to spin it to the press. i don't think it's possible for all of those people to be involved and know and for the governor to absolutely have no

communication. >> democratic mayors in other new jersey cities are publicly reflecting whether they were a victim of retribution. the mayor of jersey city was compromised access to the state commissioner but the plans were cancelled within an hour of him not to endorse the governor. the mayor of hobo said she was punished when she would stay neutral in the race. receiving less than 1% of the sandy relief money she requested. >> you can always look back and say, okay, was it retribution? i think probably all mayors are reflecting right now and thinking about it but, you know, i -- i really hope that that is not the case. >> few republicans with national profiles rush to his defense when the scandal first boiled

over last week, christie received praise on the sunday shows with a caveat. >> he stood there for 111 minutes in an open dialogue with the press. now, only if barack obama and hillary clinton would give us 111 seconds of that, would we find out some things we want to find out but obamacare, benghazi, the irs. >> i thought he did an excellent job by the very lengthy press conference. i think he can move along as long as another shoe doesn't drop. >> i think he did some good by crafting with the normal routine wave handling these things but i think it's hard for democrats to turn this into an issue. the questions whether the facts will turn this into an issue. >> that is the question. mark halpern? >> he has the state of state address tomorrow. look. when you have a political scandal particularly when people are questioning your honesty and judgment, the best thing to do politically, not just as governor but if he wants to run for president is remind people

they like you and that you stand for something. he has been a reformer in new jersey but i think this is a big week for him, for him personally and the speech is a big deal, but the investigation goes on. these people getting subpoenas now are going to face personal choices. what lawyers do they hire? how much do they fight things? but also they are going to face a lot of scrutiny about whether they turn over documents. people think about the subpoenas have gone and so far to port authority officials. those are captured corresponds from the governor's office but the question is does the governor continue to urge people to cooperate and do they cooperate? >> yeah. i think the key questions that were left out of that two-hour news conference is why he didn't question bridget kelly right then enthere. how sds someone chris christie, who i know well, not ask questions? then when you hear about how that unfolded and he describes it -- again, i commended him for

just sitting out there for two hours taking questions right and left. i think that certainly gave the optics of being open and forthcoming. having said that, when he asked people to go talk to the lawyers, the four people in his office, if you know anything about this, go talk to so and so, so and so as if i was codifying himself from the story. then the other question i think that was left lingering was why he wouldn't raise a lot of questions and stir up a lot of dust in the office when the two other people resigned a lot earlier. how do you cut that out of your reality? so the key question that still left here this morning is how could he not know? and that he has to still -- >> i think the questions go back to the beginning. there were these four days of intense traffic tie-ups in a major part of new jersey. i've been riding in a car with mike bloomberg when he ran

across a pothole and he called three guys about this pothole. you can say he is not a micro manager but part of his appeal is his attention to details and that he blew it off and left to the state assembly to conduct this investigation and have all of this come out and the stuff you mentioned about a lack of intellectual curiosity. >> he probably, i think, whether you like it or not, will some out and survive it. >> left himself no room saying i heard nothing about this and i was about it 8:30 yesterday and i was blindsided. if anything comes back that traces him that he knew, what do you do? how do you get out of it? when people looking back on things that may have happened to the mayors. >> sandy money. >> is it the same retribution i'm getting? >> he has also left a couple of

key advisers. even if it never gets close to him personally he will lose other people because more indications that other people on his senior staff were involved and i think it's hard for him to keep anything on his staff that had any knowledge of this. that means he has to start to rebuild his inner circle and some people i think it's a great opportunity for him. >> exactly. people who are so used to the big time that they don't get too big for their britches and i think that might have been part of what happened here. that's my instinct. i think he could do himself a big favor by getting rid of rudy as his front man. the best person to speak for i chris christie is chris christie. i think rudy has brought it down. calling it a prank. i'm sorry. you're the mayor of new york city during 911 and closing four lanes on the gwb.

i think the most traveled bridge in the world which is a national security potential target. you don't as rudy giuliani say, it was just a prank without looking like you're completely in the tank and not even willing to come close to reality and tell the truth. i just -- i found it to be a really poor choice. >> in chris christie's defense, he would never use that term prank. >> but rudy giuliani's defense of christie on the show yesterday i thought was unimpressive. >> with all due respect, like him very much, it was terrible. it made the situation worse. people have to have better instincts who they want speaking to them and usually the you who should speak for your yourself. >> sometimes your surrogates toof a good story to tell because there's not a good story to tell. >> exactly. >> but the choice to send nobody out and have nobody respond for you versus have people go out -- >> chris christie will be be out. i actually think if there is no smoking gun and if everything

said is true and he is somehow separated from this, whether he knew or didn't know, he will survive it if he speaks for himself. >> rudy giuliani was a hands-on mayor and on top of everything so for him to explain -- >> it looked like a lie. it smelled bad. >> it's hard to go at him. >> i think he was actually making up facts to call it a prank and to blow it off, that was using his name. >> what bothered me about all of this, frankly, they all keeping turning this around saying christie went out there and did this long press conference and why didn't obama do that? he had a huge press conference right before christmas. the idea that obama has not stood up in front of the press to answer questions is ludicrous. >> with ail due respect to joe who is not here today, i think that is a terrible parallel.

this is chris christie's problem and there is no parallel to president obama here. >> i'll take small issue in the sense that two hours letting reporters ask him questions on every topic, the president has not had a press conference where reporters could ask him where he was on the night of september 11th. >> remember, the questions kept repeating themselves so it's not clear on back half how much new information. i'm watched, as i'm sure you did, the president's press conference before christmas and he took a pounding. they went at him very directly. >> they did. is there nothing that stops the white house press corps if the president has a press conference asking everyone question about benghazi but it's not practical. in this case he took sustained questions. i'm not saying his answers were great but there is a difference staying two hours on a press conference. the president has not done that. >> christie is the president of new jersey. to bring your benghazi and irs

is flailing for some sort of distraction. >> that's true also. >> it's chris christie, it's new jersey. stick to that story which is fascinating. >> coming up we will chuck to chuck to do and maria shriver with her special report on the american woman." and also snon jenator john barr. first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? good moon morning. everyone enjoyed their january thaw weekend. temperatures yesterday were warm. they were almost hot. one spot in oklahoma, fredericksburg, was 85 degrees! it was 74 in dallas! look how warm it was up into new england. that is the theme this morning. we are still very mild out there. it's not going to last all week. the end of the week will be cold in the east but enjoy today while you have the mild air.

there is going to be a little bit of snow late tonight into tomorrow morning. minneapolis across. you notice the clock. we are taking it in through tuesday afternoon, will be the heaviest snow through wisconsin to milwaukee and then into michigan, by the time we get to wednesday morning. today's forecast, i do not expect many airport problems. maybe minor delays. areas like new orleans and atlanta with some rain. overall, january thaw continues for the eastern half of the country. you're watching "morning joe." ♪ love love is strange ♪

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time to take a look at the morning papers. the "chicago tribune" is bid ago final farewell to former prime

minister ariel sharon who passed away on saturday spending eight years in a coma following a stroke. leaders around the world gathered in jerusalem for his state funeral. vice president joe biden gave a touching tribute to the man nicknamed the king of israeli. >> he had a north star that guided him. a north star from which he never, in my observation, never deviated. his north star was the survival of the state of israel and the jewish people, wherever they reside. >> joe biden this morning in jerusalem. the los angeles time five cardinals. ten of his selections come from latin america, the caribbean,

asia and africa. the pontiff focused on appointing religious leaders from haiti. from our parade of papers. charleston gazette. nine counties in west virginia remain under a state of emergency this morning with 300,000 residents banned from using tap water. governor tomlin says there is light at the end of the tunnel after a series of tests show the condition is improving. the water crisis comes after thousands of gallons contaminated the water supply last week. no timetable when the ban will be lifted. each year, school violence lands 90,000 students in emergency rooms across the country. research from brown university indicates bullying continues to plague school-aged children. the st. louis post dispatch. a major mix-up as sweater

airlines flight lands at the wrong airport in missouri. the plane was supposed to touch down at branson, airport, but landed eight miles away. southwest doesn't have any explanation about the landing. minneapolis star tribune. the ceo of target is speaking out for the first time about that massive data breach that may have affected up to 110 million customers. in an interview with cnbc said malware was installed. >> as time goes on, we are going to get down to the bottom of this. we are not going to rest until we understand what happened and how that happened. clearly, we are accountable and we are responsible. but we're going to come out at the end of this a better company and we're going to make significant changes. i mean, that's what you do when you go through a period like this. you have to learn from it and you have to apply those

learnings and we are committed to doing that. the toronto star. the mayor rob ford hit the town on saturday night. he made a surprise appearance at a local nightclub in toronto. it wasn't long before photos of him and club go-ers started popping up on instagram. ford's campaign manager says it was part of his re-election camp. >> he is working hard. look at the sweat on that shirt. wow. "the new york times" is out with a new series titled one party rule which looks at the origin and impact of single political parties controlling entire state legislatures and governors mansions. nick wrote the inaugural piece for the series. he wrote the following.

successes are paving the way for what amounts to a vast real world experiment in law making. in a time when w. happens in gridlock, elected officials in one party states have aggressively reshaped government policy whether legalizing same-sex marriage and marijuana and restricting guns or labor unions. nick, good to see you, man. >> you too. >> part two is in the paper this morning. talk about your piece. first, you touched on a little bit the origins of this. how far back do you trace it? >> it goes back about ten years when the campaign cut off money from the federal parties to the states. people in the states had to say how can we raise money? over ten years, they created these systems for bringing money in from around the country and funneling it in the states where they could do a flip and in

2010, it reached its apa, this hy and bringing every nover a hundred million dollars around the country and flipping, i think, 20 or so states. it's amazing. if you look at a swing state and presidential politics like colorado or carolina, right? they are bright red and bright blue at the state level and state government. >> so you said, you know, the gop has succeeded with this but there are 13 states are also solely controlled by democrats. have they used the same method to get the money in the states? >> it's all of those same methods. it's raising money from a national group and finding ways to go around campaign finance limits in states. normally, you can't just pump a whole lot of money into a lot of states. they have strict rules. what they do is go in and set up shadow parties and these political nonprofits that basically take on a lot of the work of paying for advertising and they can't be tracked and you can't see where the money

comes from unless you look at where it's going to. >> these are effectively like super pacts? >> yes. >> they have a 500 dollar limit on what they can give to a campaign so the only way to get meaningful money behind your campaign is have these outside groups? >> that's right. they have great lawyers and they find ways to get around some of those laws. for example, in alabama, in 2010, we saw it was there. wait a second, we can raise lots of money into a pact from all around the country from exxon and football and google and companies probably have no idea what the ceremony really going for and they put it into this pact and it turns out it's a loophole and they can shuffle the whole amount to the state party in way they could not do directly to the candidates. and they find ways to do that all over the country and maximizes the money that can go in. all of a sudden, the money is there to kind of, you know, overwhelm what would normally take place in the state. >> today's piece, you look at minnesota versus wisconsin.

>> that's right. >> any differences with alabama? there were some real changes obviously. >> that's right. here we had two states that historically have similar populations and religion and demographics and their politics were very similar for a very long time. but in the last three years, they have gone like this. very different states. you see minnesota is a place where they are raising taxes on the waeealthy and putting in prk for kids and gay marriage now. wisconsin as everyone knows they have gone in a different direction and restricted unions and they have cut taxes. you can see what can happen when these national networks come in and power a transformation in a state that affects everyone's lives on the ground. >> "the new york times" nicholas confessore, you can see that piece in today's "the new york times." thanks. the moment that had seattle seahawks fans shaking the earth during saturday's win over the saints and why that may be a problem for the 49ers. "morning joe" sports is next.

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crave tho time for some sports. this weekend was a divisional

round nlfl playoffs. broncos and chargers in denver, denver gets out to an early lead. peyton manning to wes welker. broncos up 14-0 at that point. in the fourth, the chargers offense comes alive. philip rivers throws a 16-yard touchdown to keenan allen. nice throw and catch there. a few minutes later, rivers again to allen. the score chargers cut the broncos lead to seven points but on third and 17 with 3:00 to play, manning finds julius thomas. nice catch and tap dance to keep inbounds. a big first down. the broncos run out the clock and win 24-17 and move on to the afc championship game. nfc game earlier yesterday in charlotte. 49ers and panthers, no love loss as we like to say between these two teams. a lot of pushes and shoving and head-butting and fights during the game. the panthers lost momentum early on this fourth and one. cam newton stuffed on a fourth down try at the goal line. niners take over. before the half, colin

kaepernick finds vernon davis. it was called incomplete initially but if you look at the replay, right foot down and all of the drags, that is a touchdown and it's reversed. san francisco takes a three-point lead. in the third quarter second and goal. kaepernick keeps it and sneaks in the end zone. watch the celebration. that is cam newton's opening the superman vaers but he closes it. a blockbuster championship weekend. these are the four best teams in football. broncos host the patriots in denver after tom brady beat aurned lu andrew luck and the colts on saturday. and 49ers take on the seahawks. home teams are favored. denver favored a little bit and seattle so hard to win up there for reasons like this. this is what the niners are up against when they go up to centurylink field in seattle on sunday. it got so loud at their game on

saturday, fans created an qer earthquake. a smaller earthquake registered between 1 and 2 on saturday after that touchdown by marshawn lynch. a lawsuit will be filed against major league baseball. on saturday an arbitrator decided to uphold the majority of the league's suspension of a-rod who will now sit out a full season of the 211 he was spn suspended for. last night the found of the biogen esis speak publicly for the first time. >> he went to study the product and the substance and dosages. because he wanted to achieve all his human performance or in this

case, sports performance objective and the most important one was the 800 home run club. which was only going to have one member, alex rodriguez. my approach to all this -- i'll stand by it now and i'll stand by it forever -- was you're going to do this, let me show you how to do this and let me educate you, and let's do it the right way. sure, let's not get caught while we're doing this. >> that is anthony bosch who runs the biogenesis clinic and did that interview with "60 minutes" and said he gave a-rod a program and -- >> night cream. >> therefore he passed all of the major league baseball tests and what a-rod hangs his hat on. you don't have a positive test to me. he admitted he did steroids in 2003 but nothing after 2003 and

he is now saying this is not right, i should be able to play next year. he has ripped bosch and major league baseball and a lot of money at stake. >> now he is really throwing the long ball if going to court and try to overturn the arbitrator's decision. >> not going to happen. >> how does he factor in like the text messages to his phone number where he is asking for guidance as to when to put on the night cream, the testosterone cream and take the gummy bear, which is a gummy like a little candy like a gummy bear? >> he would refer to rudy giuliani on that. >> might not be a good idea. >> bosch says it was the throat lo lozenges. >> you will not get rid of this until they have a tough policy. the 50 game suspensions and stuff like that will not do it. >> is it proven he did it or not? >> mlb thinks it's proven based

on all of the documentation they have but they don't have a test. they don't have a positive test. >> mlb thinks it's proven, why don't they kick him out? >> they have effectively done that now. >> one year deal. >> this is the harshest penalty anyone has ever got. >> one year is like kicking him out, yeah. coming up next, mika's must read opinion pages. "morning joe" is back in a moment. there's a saying around here,

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trying to salvage his once blazing career by claiming he was in dark room, clueless to the bogus traffic study masking a revenge plan that top aides were executing in plain sight. the epic news conference felt like a scene out of the governor's favorite movie "the godfather." christie offering his self-pitying public apology while in cross cut scenes his hench men getting rid of his operation. the christie sag is a still unraveling. maybe he was a dupe in the dark and maybe he is fleece us. let's just say i'm not yet permitting him in my circle of trust. so steve rattner, is there any benefit of the doubt here? any way he could not have known until the day before of the two-hours news conference? >> the first part of maureen wrote i was trying to say at the top of the hour.

have you a guy who prides himself on top of everything and being informed of everything. this stuff is in the papers every day. >> up-front guy? >> right. this stuff was in the papers every day and not having any idea or intellectual curiosity and saying why is this happening? >> i felt one of the interesting things during the news conference is that he really truly seemed completely thrown off guard as to how stupid it was. and it is. incredibly stupid. whatever happened between bridget kelly and this other person who said, "got it." and obviously other people involved because you don't send an e-mail on her level and get a response like that without it being part of a larger, can we agree with that? does anyone disagree there was some larger scheme among some people? >> larger and i would say even closer to him. >> incredibly stupid. >> you don't do something like that for your boss if your boss is chris christie without some sense that it's what the people

would either want done. >> i don't think you do. >> you just can't. the skepticism, which continues to amaze me. every republican i talk to the only reason they give him the benefit of the doubt is they think saying he didn't know about it at this point is career suicide. i've not talked to one single person say how can you possibly not like him and this is people who like him and hope he runs for president or at least did. the "new york post," everyone who writes about this expresses some reservation he is telling the truth. this is a rupert murdoch paper that is pretty pro chris christie over the years, and continue to write the story in a big way and a bad sign for him and a real impact in this media market. >> i want to believe he is telling the truth, i do, but i have to say those questions i brought up earlier, willie, i need answers to. >> even if he is telling the

literal truth. there was a culture around him, a sense around him, a sense of his people that he wanted to play "hardball," that this was governorship with brass knuckles. >> why? he has it won. >> why his office would have made to do this, yeah, this is what chris christie would have wanted to do. punish my enemies. >> he has used the power. >> you raised the question at the top of the show i think is a good one. what was the conversation like when his two pointes to the port authority resigned? why did they say they resigned? didn't you say, wait a minute, he doesn't have to resign over a traffic study. i would love to know what happened in that exchange when those people 2:00 people resigned. >> he said he would come back and talk about the answers to those questions, so i'm looking forward to it. >> he could do the whole show. >> oh, lord, he could definitely fill a show and he can talk for a long time and he speaks confidently and openly when he faces the music on this and

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>> thank you. >> because this is hollywood and if something kind of works, they will just keep doing it until everybody hates it. merril streep, so brilliant in "osage county" proving there are still great parts for merril streep's over 60. amy poehler is nominated for hearse work "parks and recreation." >> i believe amy is here tonight. can we get a shot of her? she looks fantastic. >> she looks amazing. >> wow. bradley cooper is here, star of "american hustle." interesting trivia. the original title of that movie was explosion at the wig factory. gravity is nominated for best film.

it's the story of how george clooney would rather float away into space and die than spend one more minute with a woman his own age! >> welcome back to ""morning joe." mark halpern is still with us. wow. joining us is the last word, lawrence o'donnell. >> can we just make it permanent? >> cosign, yes. >> absolutely. i love them. >> and everything else really. >> i would throw more -- >> america's award show hosts. >> exactly. two women. in washington, nbc news chief white house corinth, chuck todd. lawrence, we will get you to chime in on the chris christie situation and talk as well. this new book about hillary clinton and so-called hit list? i want to get your take a on that. willie, take us through the golden globes.

>> he is mr. golden globes. on the film side of thing last night, "american hustle" was the big winner and won for comedy and stars took home the best actress and best supporting actor. dramatic side, matthew mcconaughey, they didn't know where to put it put but put it in musical and comedy. cate blanchett won two "blue jasmine." the final award of the award di 12 years a slave." tv side "breaking bad" won best drama and its star bryan cranston won for a best actor in a drama. as for comedies, did not see this coming. "brooklyn 99," won best tv comedy. andy sandberg won best actor in a comedy and looked stunned when

he got on the stage and didn't know what to say. >> he wasn't the only one. >> where do you watch that? i've never heard of it. >> it's brand-new. >> it's actually pretty funny. it is pretty funny. it's on my dvr list this year. it's pretty good. >> really? >> i subscribe to it on -- i started dvr'ing it. he is funny. >> good for andy sandberg and on the "snl" team. amy poehler took a break from hosting and won best actress. >> she is great. i like that. >> a big "snl" night. >> it was a good nbc night. >> it was a good nbc night. do you have any favorites? >> this surprised me about chuck todd because, chuck, you're known as the guy who knows the inside rules on everything, iowa caucus and all of these things. for you not to know the rules on how the golden globes decides what a comedy is absolutely shocking. >> wait, wait, wait. the wealth of wall street is a comedy? or is it a musical because you look at -- because when you say

the "f" word 500 plus times it sounds like a musical? >> and people have a lot of, you know, actual -- yeah. i hear it's like porn. i haven't seen it. >> it allows them to nominate more films for best picture. >> the oscar already has 35 best picture nominees now, right? didn't they expand the category? >> the globes are not known for the flawless integrity of the process. >> are you say that the foreign media, lawrence -- >> i'm saying pia won one year for best actress. >> is all you're saying? >> it is kind of worse than new jersey politics. >> oh, wow! >> there you go. >> they are considered pretty straight now. they can tell they don't -- that it's not completely -- >> there were some legitimate wins last night. "breaking bad" come on. >> jacqueline bessette won for

her role on "dancing on the edge." the audience was stunned a bit by her sort of scattered acceptance speech? >> i think it was 47 years ago, the hollywood foreign press gave me a promising nomination for the -- promising new comma! you've nominated me about five times, i think. any way! oh! okay. scottish background to the front. i always wanted to do something for the bbc. i'm sorry. i've got to get this together. i wanted to thank the people who have given me joy and there have been many and the people who have given me [ bleep ]. i say like my mother, what did she say? she used to say, go to hell or

don't come back. >> right off the teleprompter, nailed that. >> wow! >> you can see that kind of performance every night at 10:00 p.m. >> what happened there, lawrence? >> you weren't even nominated, lawrence. unbelievable! >> but that is what you love -- i mean, i love those speeches where you have no idea what is coming. what is the next word going to be? i have no idea. >> last night was the night for you. >> was she inebriateded? what happened? >> she didn't expect to win. >> she was surprised. >> this is a team. notice how long it's taking her to get to the stage? whatever the layout, the floor plan. >> the better star you are, the closer to the stage you are. >> i get that but they had to weave and go back stage first and then come out side, see how they do that? >> they got lost. they shouldn't have had to do that. >> past dicaprio to the steps. >> people didn't know which way

to go when they were leaving too. enough about the golden globes. i missed that. >> this is where tv series have an advantage because they tend to get nominated consecutive so you learn the floor pattern. the third time you're going up on that stage, you know i'm going this way. >> oh, my god. maybe she got winded. all right. let's move on to news now. more subpoenas could come as early as today in the growing scandal surrounding the george washington bridge and the extent to which governor chris christie played a role. the official overseeing the state hearings wants to question staffers like bridget anne kelly who was fired and while cautioning it's still early in the investigation, he acknowledged that impeachment for governor christie is possible. >> i don't think it's credible for a governor to have his chief of staff, his communication director, his deputy chief of staff all involved, his chief counsel all involved in e-mail

communications on the day this took place and the days after talking to not only about the problems that were created in ft. lee, but also talking about how to spin it to the press. i don't think it's possible for all of those people to be involved and know, and for the governor to absolutely have no communication. >> democratic mayors in other new jersey cities are publicly reflecting on whether they too were victims of retribution. the mayor of jersey city was reportedly promised increased access to state commissioners, but those planned meetings were cancelled within an hour of his decision not to endorse the governor. and the mayor of h hoboken says her city may have been finished when she told the governor she would stay neutral in the race and receiving 1% of the money she was to receive for the sandy money. >> you can look back and say it

was a retribution. i think probably all mayors are reflecting right now and thinking about it. but, you know, i -- i really hope that that's not the case. >> chuck todd, take it to lawrence. what do you think the key questions are still remaining for chris christie, the really key blanks he is to fill in? >> i think it's the why didn't he know? in the weird way the opposite of a infamous howard baker question but it's not when did he know or why didn't he know. i think that is what the assembly speaker is saying. what that the mayor of hoboken said and the tone she took is what chris christie has to fear now going forward it seems to me which is there are a whole bunch of people that are interacted with the governor's office now. if they weren't happy with something, now they are going to say, ah-ha! maybe it was retribution. >> exactly. >> here is the problem christie

has. he doesn't have the same credibility that he had three weeks ago to say that is hog wash. >> the credibility wall for him has been blown apart. when you ask what can chris christie do or say now, the answer is nothing and that is what that press conference was all about. he was doing a press conference in which he was going to go long enough so that he can say from now on, i have answered that question, i have dealt with this. but the -- the real issue is, okay, what is bridget kelly saying? she is, obviously, going to be subpoenaed and obviously plead the fifth amendment. you had wildstein on television the other day begging for immunity agreement and begging for one and saying in effect i will tell you stuff if you give me immunity from state and federal prosecution. someone will get an immunity agreement and take a while and someone is going to tell us everything he or she knows about what chris christie knows. chris christie is not going to be the person -- >> how possible is it that he

didn't know anything? >> no one believes he didn't know anything. here is the fascinating thing. you can't find anyone who says you know what? it is my -- i believe he didn't know it. here is the problem. if he knew it, that is the end of his governorship. he would be impeached. he would have to resign. simple as that. if bridget kelly is three words away and it's "the governor knew." she says that, his career is over. >> lawrence, i'll put you in a funny position and ask you. >> not the first time on this show. >> i'll ask you -- >> funny position. >> yes, i had you raise it because you were -- well, they were towering over you. speak as of you are rchris christie's secretary and you have to answer everything. why didn't the governor ask bridget kelly why did you do it? is there any answer to that? i don't want his answer. what could an answer be? >> the press secretary worked on it and they worked 24 hours on this answer so why he stayed

silence for days. his answer was i was afraid you would think that i was interfering with a witness in this case is why i didn't talk to her. >> i don't understand. you wouldn't ask? >> there is no legitimacy to that. all he had to do is say, okay, these people are standing here are going to have a couple of people here and i'm going to bring her in the room and ask her what she did. he didn't talk to her because he didn't want to hear what the answer is. >> i'm not shelling for chris christie. i'm trying to understand what the benefit of the doubt is here. is there any possibility when he realized that she lied, that he was like, oh, god, this is -- this is going to explode. this is going to become a federal case or whatever case and she better get the hell out of here and i got to get anyone else who is involved with this out of here and they are going to answer to the law. >> he took 24 hours to do that. what christie did do, just to be fair about this, is exactly what a lawyer would do. >> that is what i see.

>> kind of lawyer thing to do, yeah. >> he codified. >> he didn't dough what a governor would do but what a careful lawyer would do. >> i do feel like the lawyer in him was asking the four people i think he wanted answers from to go talk to his attorney and his top guy and not him and give him an hour before he does a press conference. >> one of the guys he is end sending his chief counsel to get answers from these people is implicated in these e-mails. he does know about this in these e-mails already. >> the press secretary who helping him prepare for the press secretary also. >> he has got no one. not one person as you read every one of these e-mails there is not one christie person who ever does the right thing in this story. not one. the only one who does the right thing is a governor cuomo pointee and for doing the right thing. >> chuck, if all of this is true, could you -- it just

defies belief. if governor christie is involved, if he ordered this in some way, do you believe that he would have stood up there for nearly two hours and not just defend himself, but berate the people -- >> i think that's is a good question. >> calling them stupid and calling them irresponsible and the rest of it? >> you would have to be crazy. >> oh, no. he has to do that. this is the lewinsky moment. you must deny it. >> oh, i don't know. >> i guess i'm with you, where you're hinting at, willie. it would be insane to have done that, okay? you would have to actually -- you would have to -- well, that's true. now, i want to go to what both mika and lawrence have pointed at which christie spent a lot of his press conference acting like a lawyer and i was having clinton flashbacks like he was being very precise with his language saying things like, and i talked to the two people. i only have two people who directly report to mean and you're going, what?

you only have two people in your office that directly report to you? it sounded like a interesting piece of information i better share and that was the lawyer in him and being careful and not wanting to interview bridget kelly and not wanting to talk to wildstein. he doesn't want to know and wants plausability here. did his staff put him in a cocoon and not tell him certain things for a certain period of time? >> it has to be he put them in a cocoon because he is in charge. >> by the way, take it to the presidential campaign, the press conference, i think, was devastating for a presidential campaign. his big defense is, i delegate enormous authority for my staff. that's the phrase he kept using, enormous authority to my staff. that is going to play terribly in a presidential campaign when you say how do you do this? i delegate it all. it's a horrible answer that he has. >> i've gotten a lot of

criticism because people think i'm defending him when he is a friend of mine. when a friend of yours gets caught in a bad situation and looks bad your first instinct is to feel bad and not to seize with hatred but having said that, knowing him, if i can bring that into this conversation, i'd be surprised if he would have that two-hour press conference and say all of those things he said and then become completely lying. he would be mentally ill as barnicle said. >> you live to fight another day. you hope things change. stuff happens. >> yeah, yeah. >> it's not irrational. >> the method was to deny a truth about lewinsky, deny it absolutely, no question about it and then turn it into a multiyear political fight over that truth. it's going to be hard to turn this one into a political fight because you need political

allies in order to fight. >> that's so interesting. the question he is going to have to answer is how could he not have known? i think that is going to be difficult. i think the other question is why you would put rudy giuliani out there for yourself. sorry. come on. let's get one more story in here and this one is kind of similar. is there a new book that is detailing a so-called political hit list compiled by the recently ended campaign of then presidential candidate hillary clinton. the authors say back in june of 2008, key operatives from the clinton team used a spreadsheet to detail who had, quote, endorsed hillary, who backed barack obama, and who stayed on the sidelines. they say the staffers used a scale from 1 to 7 to rank the politicians that it, quote, burned her. the book says the aides would joke years later about the fait fate of those best betrayed mrs.

clinton. saying bill richardson investigated john edwards. chris dodd step down. the aide conditioning ted kennedy loring his whisper to a punch line, dead. that is horrifying. and some other comments about senator kerry. how much credence do you give this, mark halpern? >> it's been known and reported that they had a strong recollection of all the people who had crossed her. those endorsements were not insignificant. that race was so close. the timing of those endorsements and the ones on tlas were huge in terms of getting the establishment shifted away from the clintons to president obama and i'm not surprised that they had a numerical rating at all because this is how strongly they felt about the degree of betrayal like bill richardson which president clinton put in the cabinet and the kennedy family they felt they had done a lot for. >> chuck todd? >> it's interesting.

doug band was, in many ways, an enforcer a lot of times so democratic candidates running in 2010 and 2012, a lot of times they would get frustrated and run into a wall. they wanted bill clinton to campaign for them and couldn't get hillary clinton. you would figure out the places where bill clinton suddenly wasn't showing up in and then you'd look back and, you know, i was told, well, look back and see what this person did during the '08 campaign and, sure enough. now, overtime, you know, that hit list, from what i understand and depends how you want to describe it, over time was two camps. bill clinton's camp was more of the camp that was enforcing some of these things, that would pick and choose. if you were with hillary, bill clinton showed up and endorsed you early. if you weren't, it took a lot of coaxing and it took a lot of phone calls and a lot of things to get you to show up there. colorado senate, for instance, michael bennett was getting

primaried. bill clinton was a supporter of romanoff. overtime, that has gone away. it's my understanding that the sort of -- the punishment phase of the clinton -- post-clinton campaign is over, that they haven't been actively acting this way in the last year or so. >> in politics it has to end, especially if have you a future and you're going to run again so she is going to need all of these people, including people who weren't with her before. there was a lot of intense bitterness and they -- the clintons are very good at holding that intense bitterness but, they are very professional about letting it go. especially for donors. the donors who went to obama who were the people that really, really destroyed the clinton campaign, the ones who sent their money to obama. when they send their money to hillary clinton, she will say thank you almost as enthusiastically.

>> the politicians that have the shortest memories are usually the most successful. chuck todd, thank you. >> going to be big blanks in the teleprompter remembering the jacqueline bessette acceptance speech. maria shriver is up next. on the millions of americans who are scraping and barely getting by. you are watching "morning joe." we will be right back. there's a saying around here, you stand behind what you say. around here you don't make excuses.

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women are actually where you want to focus these efforts, maria. >> 1 in 3 working women in the united states is on the brink and we're saying in this report and we're saying to the nation, this should be the concern of the nation, unless we put women at the center of the economy, we are not going to have a full and robust economy and 28 million children depend on these women doing well, bringing home a living wage, making a home where those kids can learn and those kids can thrive in. >> for sure. women, we have found, can often -- sorry, thomas -- can be better at multitasks more effective in some cases. you're also addressing the economy issues, when you focus on the woman. >> absolutely. so women are the ones making a lot of the financial decisions. they are the biggest consumers. they are a large voting bloc. what we are trying to say when you mobilize these women and when these people feel they can

move up the economic mobility ladder, when they have a shot at the american dream, then we all will do better and we really demonstrate this is in all of our economic interests to be ensured that they move up. >> these are great conversations to have, especially because women can look at the examples that all three of you have led with your lives so you think about the younger generation coming forward to stand our shoulders. . i'm curious, especially for you a mom of boys, maria, how do you raise young men to respect women and their right in the workplace? i grew up as a child of divorce so my mom had to go back to work. so i hear where women are coming from and know the struggles it takes when a mom takes over the household and we still live in a straight white male dominated world at the top. >> one of the things that i think in this report and one of the really important things to me is to engage men in this. men have a huge role in raising women, in talking to their sons,

so often boys emulate their fathers. on so talking to boys as a mother about respecting women is one thing, but if men come in and say it's important, men say, you know, equality in a relationship and lifting women up is good for men and why that is, that goes a long way. i think women, as a woman's nation, we need to include men in this or we are always going to be just half the population talking to ourselves. >> get them while they are young. >> at any age. >> get them at age but certainly while they are young so you can instill that value and that gender equality so that there is not the disparity moving forward. i know we have closed the gap some but still a great gap. >> first in the shriver report which i've started to read, it humanizes these numbers. >> yes. >> you have women's stories throughout the entire report that help you understand how grave the situation is and we will talk about the pay gap, the gender gap, but, first, i'll point out one thing you guys say is that women are nearly two-thirds of minimum wage

workers, a vast majority of them receive no paid sick days, not one. i've been writing about negotiating and how to get that 77 cents for every dollar a man earned. that closed. for women who are in this situation, who are raising a family, who are exhausted, their negotiating skills have to be nonexistent. >> they dent feel they can negotiate. women with minimum wage dogs and no sick day are choosing between caring for a sick child or a parent. >> they live in fear. >> our polls show one of the biggest difference the respondent said make a difference in their life is having paid sick days. whether a company can give it or they can earn them would give a long way to easing people's stress. >> paid leave. neera, and sick days, it allows them to make an extremely small wage, i'm on the whole minimum wage platform which i won't pull you into, but it's too low. for women making less than men

and at least paid leave would allow them to possibly keep their lives from crashing around them while they are trying to make this small salary. >> right. right now, the challenge we have is so many families have to choose. these women have to choose every day between being good parents and putting money on the table, by being able to basically feed their children. >> feed their choices every day. >> every day. what we are trying to demonstrate and we have great business leaders who recognize this challenge and have invested in flexibility policies and providing benefits because they recognize that, you know, these workers are actually their future too. and so investing in them so they can move up the economic ladder of their company is actually helping their bottom line. >> you're investing in their children. >> absolutely. >> these women in these situations, living in poverty and trying to work and trying to raise families are under stress. and that carries down to the next generation in a way that is serious. >> right. we are also calling, mika, on

women themselves to, first to download this report at amazon.com and read it and get informed. one of the biggest winners of poverty is your education. we are saying to young women, invest in your education and go as far as you can go to college that makes a difference in the kind of job you can get, delay family planning as long as possible. and vote for men or women, democrats or republicans, that support the policies that you care about. don't give away your vote. women are 54% of the electorate. your vote matters and support people who talk about these issues. >> maria, i love what you're doing with your life. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. this is incredible. you can learn more about the report at shriverreport.org. download it today. >> it's free on amazon. we are trying to topple "50 shades of grey." we are going right at that. >> that is going to say so much about america. >> you're not -- you're not

downloading a report. you're downloading a picture of american life and incredible stories of women who really put human face on these numbers which will help everybody understand it more and maybe articulate is better and get involved in some way that they can. check out on special edition, by the way, of all in tonight at 8:00 p.m. maria will be co-hosting with chris hayes, taking a critical look at the changing face in the poverty of america. i love that. >> you know i'm getting an anchor job for the night! >> i'm watching. >> wow! >> wow! >> i'll dvr you have a heartbeat. >> you have to watch later. >> i love that. neera tanden, thank you. come back. will swift traces the 53-year marriage between pat and dick nixon. up next, former defense secretary bob gates talks about his controversial new book and his response to the criticism that followed. "morning joe" will be right back.

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♪ the deal to freeze most of iran's nuclear program has been finalized after six months of negotiations. in return, western sanctions

against tehran will be lifted through june. the agreement is set to begin next month but secretary of state john kerry acknowledges there is still more work to be done. >> as this agreement takes effect, we will be extraordinarily vigilant in our verification and monitoring of iran's actions. there is a lot of very difficult work ahead. there's no question bjts. about that. on each of these critical issues, i can tell you unequivocablely the president and i will to lead and success succeed. >> the white house promised to block any legislation passed by congress with any new action against iran. former secretary of defense robert gates is standing by the timing of his candid, sometimes harsh, assessments of congress and the administration. gates says waiting until 2017 to

publish his book didn't make any sense. gates in critical of the passion of the president's wage of war and he weighed in on the vice president. >> it's one thing to tell the troops that you support them. it's another to work it, making them believe that you believe, as president, that their sacrifice is worth it, that the cause is just, that what they are doing is important for the country, and that they must succeed. . president bush did that with the troops when i was secretary. i did not see president obama do that. where i have a particular problem with the vice president was in his encouragement of suspicion of the military and the senior military with the

president. you can't trust these guys, they are going to try to jam you, they are going to try to box you in and so on, and that did disturb me a lot. one time when i agreed with him on something, often admiral mullen would ride back together from the pentagon to the white house. admiral mullen turned to me and said, you know you agreed with the vice president this morning? i said, yeah, that's why i'm rethinking my position. >> wow. mark halpern. i think what makes his insights as a bombshell about a trusted individual you could get and held him hostage in washington. he has wanted to go home but he has been asked to had he ever been sis country by democrats and that is a fascinating perspective to hold. >> he has got incredible respect and credibility and the white house has gone after him a little bit, but, look. people should read the book. i haven't read it yet.

>> i can't wait to read it. >> everyone i know who has read it, jeffrey goldberg, i talked to yesterday. he has read the book. everyone who has read it such there are things he says about everybody in the book, including hillary clinton and president obama that are more favorable and more nuance than some of the major headlines would lead you to believe. >> you know having reading a couple of these books and i have written one. you know this is going to happen. >> no question he knew that and he stands behind those parts. all i'm saying to cast him as unmitigatininining critic is no right. >> i think anybody with kids, though, will know that bush and cheney did not have anyone serve in any of the wars that they took all of our service members into. joe biden does.

>> very good point. >> that is a huge difference. i think he is right to be suspicious and that is why president obama and joe biden got elected in the first place. so robert gates drawing that correlation, i think, misses the mark on the fact that, of course, americans are suspicious about what is going on and president obama was committed and i think the first lady and dr. biden have committed both of their roles to service members and their families since they have taken over to make sure they know how well they appreciated and families that are left behind, how well they are appreciated for their sacrifices. >> you'll be able to put these questions to former secretary gates himself. he'll be our guest on "morning joe" on wednesday. coming up, senator john barrasso is pushing a plan to tighten security protection on healthcare.gov. he joins us next with victor yeah victoria soto. is this the bacon and cheese diet?

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♪ it's 5 past t45 past the ho. washington is so beautiful today. senator john barrasso and with us is victoria defrancesco soto. did i get it right? >> it's vickie. >> he today for two hours and answered questions and in terms of elections in 2016, elections are about the future. >> are you surprised more people in your party have not sort of said that? >> well, people can say what they want to say. i think he stood and answered questions for two hours and he was forthright about it and by

the time 2016 comes around -- >> do you think he is a contender for 2016 as much as he was before bridgegate? >> no. i think a dozen republicans who i think would all be good contenders for 2016. >> very, very -- what is the word? adept. >> adept. >> adept answer. >> senator, you're presuming we know everything we are going know about his involvement in this? >> he answered questions to two hours. he answered a lot of questions and there may be additional e-mails and information coming out. >> let me cut through it this way. aren't there some clear, like, areas right there where there are still big questions? >> you know, in wyoming, we don't see traffic jams like this, so it's unique but we will see what -- >> he is adept. all right, all right. vickie, you want to chime in? >> chris christie, i know that he has been a front-runner in talking about the 2016, but since the beginning, i've said chris christie really doesn't have a shot at the republican nomination. i live down in texas. and talk about a republican

state, and i can't see him getting past a primary in a texas, in louisiana, and arkansas and alabama. i think he has to appeal in a general election or at least he did before bridgegate, but in the primaries, i don't think he could get out, even if this didn't happen. >> that was the question, although, you know, on book tour with joe, on my book tour, we always kind of surveyed the room across the country and sometimes it would be like 500 to 2,000 people and say how many of you like so and so, so and so during the campaign? during the campaign it was like how many of you like mitt romney? nobody in pretty republican audiences nobody rayed their hand or it was lukewarm and with chris christie, it was a round of applause and it made you think he had some potential there. let's get to why you're sear, senator barrasso. you, unlike some other members of your party, are working to try to deal with healthcare.gov and make it better. tell bus it. >> i have a bill that basically tries to protect americans'

security, as well as identity. we know that the easiest fastest way for criminals to work is with the internet. we saw it with target before christmas. all of these different information has been lost, 70 million people affected. yet the health care law says nothing about internet security. we know the website has been a debacle. kind of a hackers dream and we need to make sure if information is breached, that american people know about it and quickly so they can check their bank accounts and health information to make sure they are not subjected to identity theft. >> what have you heard from the white house about this? do they want your help and do they like this bill? >> it's interesting. the house passed this bill on friday. 67 democrats voted in favor of it. big bipartisan support. yet, the president says he is opposed to it. it just seemed he is so dug in on this health care law that he always says if the republicans have good ideas, bring them forward. this is a bipartisan supported

idea and i would ask harry reid to stand up and let us have a vote on this in the senate. >> do you have democratic cosponsors in the senate? >> not yet. we just introduced it on thursday. we will find some. clearly concerns about the heal care law, things that we're finding all of the folks that have had insurance, don't have it now. you know, to do health care reform, which was needed, you shouldn't have to hurt people that already have insurance in order to help people that don't have insurance. >> sure. on the face of it, it sounds so reasonable. but there are 100-plus democrats in the house who voted against it. what was their problem with it. >> the president asked them to not vote for it. we're seeing a number of cascading democrats in so many different proposals, more and more democrats are jumping on board with republicans. you saw it with trying to delay the individual mandate. you saw it with the bill that the republicans brought forward that say people should be able to keep what they had, making the president's promise a true fact. you had more democrats into the

30s, and now 67 democrats have abandoned the president even when he asked them not to vote for it. >> i was skeptical of your bill, senator, actually of the house version when i first saw it. but then, i stepped back, and i started looking at the breaches, consumer-wise, target took out a full-page ad in "the new york times." at the state level, the south carolina debacle a couple of year as egs ago, texas, where s security numbers are being hacked, and maybe this is a stepping stone to a regularized framework for protecting us. right now, we have a patchwork quilt of protection for identity theft at the technical level -- the technological level. federally, you have some stuff with hipaa that requires health care protections, the ftc oversees consumers, but nothing that says we're going to protect americans with regards to their online information.

so maybe this is a new step. would you say that? >> well, and i think the "washington post" had an editorial a couple of days ago that agrees exactly with what you're saying. this is one step to deal with the whole issue of identity theft. the government has been woefully behind the times in getting this done. and when you take a look at target, i mean, people go shop there voluntarily. people by law are mandated to buy government-approved health insurance through the website or other locations. so if the government is saying you have to go here and by, then you really ought to have some protections. >> all right. we want to hear more about it. senator john barrasso, thank you. vicki, thank you, as well. tomorrow, we'll talk to jon huntsman, jane pauley, and rocco dispirito will join us. we'll be right back. ♪

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. the golden globe goes to -- "breaking bad," amc. >> and the golden globe goes to -- "american hustle." >> the golden globe award goes to -- "twelve years." >> and the golden globe goes to "amy adams." >> cate blanchett. >> matthew mcconaughey. >> and the golden globe goes to -- amy poehler, "parks and

recreation." >> wow, they were really smooching there. good morning, everyone. it is monday, january 13th, welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halprin and the host of "way too early" thomas, and steve ratner will jump in the seat, for shocking job numbers, talking about that and the economy. also more updates on the chris christie scandal, which certainly everyone has been talking about all weekend long. and some key questions that still linger, even after that two-hour news conference last week. also, did you all see "60 minutes" last night? >> saw a lot of it. >> oh, wow. i don't know, is one year enough? >> it's probably a career ender, don't you think? >> it's got to be over. >> he's going to be 40 years old, had injuries. if he comes back, he'll be a

shell of the man he once was. >> first, take us through the golden globes. i watched some. >> a good show. tina and amy at the helm. "american hustle" sweeping the awards in the comedy, amy adams and jennifer lawrence. the film won for best comedy, musical, which is a strange category. leonardo dicaprio won for "the wolf of wall street." another laugh riot. >> yeah, also not a comedy. in the dramatic acting categories, this was a big surprise, but well deserved, matthew mcconaughey won, and cate blanchett won for "blue jasmine." >> i saw that. >> a lot of people surprised "12 years a slave," it did win the big one, best motion picture. our friend john ridley was behind that.

big night for "breaking bad." robin wright took home the award for best actress in a tv drama. as for the comedies, "brooklyn 9-9." who knew? who saw this coming? surprise of the night, best tv comedy and andy samberg won best actor in a comedy. continuing the "snl" trend, amy took a break from hosting duties to accept for her role in "parks and rec." "snl," between amy and tina, and samberg wins two awards, jimmy fallon, seth meyer, the lauren michaels cutaway, his master plan went into effect. thomas, what were the big surprises, impressions of the night? >> you know, i watched on the dvr this morning. >> oh, my god, now don't study too hard for this job. >> i want to say i got to go to "beautiful," opening for carole king's -- >> oh, okay. >> so i only watched part of the golden globes, by i thought amy

and tina knocked it out of the park. everybody loves them. if you get made fun of, i think you feel really special, and they made a lot of people feel special. jacqueline bissette, her acceptance speech -- >> the time it took for people to get from their seats to the stage. >> robin wright. >> who ran. sprinted. >> i loved her acceptance speech, because i'm not going to gh through all of the stuff -- you know, thank you. good-bye. >> saved some time for barry adelman. >> exactly. >> "breaking bad" table four layers deep, and you knew they would win, and bryan cranston, it took a second song -- >> the hollywood foreign press, they love meth heads, bipolar, you'll get a statuette. so they like to take people, i guess, that have taken all of us

on a ride. cra cate blanchett, she was great. >> i like the way barry edelman lit the audience. >> two lites, yes. >> two lites. >> oh, no, i meant lighting. >> you mean actual lighting. >> is that a saying? >> they always get lit at the globes. that's the whole point. >> okay. >> the lighting streaming off the glasses on the table, good underlighting. helping the eyes to glow. >> we were just complaining, mr. halprin and i, you get tina and amy for 12 minutes at the top, so excited and you're primed, and then they disappear for, like, 45 minutes. that's the only frustration. you want more. >> yeah, they're the hosts. let them host. >> when they introduced this golden globe, kevin bacon's daughter, and kyra sedgwick's daughter. >> adorable. that was nice.

zf comes dressed out as randy. with a previous relationship, harvey weinstein. >> randy's father was in the audience, which randy went to seek. >> this is great. we want to get to the jobs numbers. the shocking numbers that came out. and what may be described as a sense of confusion now on wall street. traders are still unsure about the impact that the fed's decision to pull back its stimulus measures, and while the stock market surged last year, it's off to a relatively quiet start in 2014. last week's disappointing jobs report wasn't enough to spook investors completely, but it docile straight -- does illustrate a lack of enthusiasm to buy. let's go to steve ratner, who's jumped in the seat, the hot seat. take us through how things are looking for the job market. >> all right. let's start with the jobs numbers. the jobs numbers, the only good thing you can say is it was just

one month, and hopefully an aberrational month. >> yeah. >> on some other levels, it was pretty disappointing. you can start with the actual number for jobs and there were only -- excuse me, i'm losing my voice. >> the hot seat. >> the hot seat. >> it does that to you. >> you can see that we only gained 74,000 jobs in the month of december compared to an average for the 11 months so far this year of 192,000 jobs. economists were blindsided. there were very few economists who expected this to happen. so you say, why did it happen? now, after the fact, looking backwards, which economists are particularly good at, they basically see there was cold weather, a loss of construction jobs for the first time, the first time in quite a while, and all of that does play an effect. you can also see that one month of jobs numbers is not always aberrational. we have had other months where the same then has happened. the principle cause of the decline in unemployment rates -- so that looks like the one good

piece of news, the unemployment rate went down. it's actually not good news. it's kind of bad news. the reason it's bad news is people are dropping out of the labor force. it's something we've talked about before, but it accelerated in december, and so, you're now down to 62.8% of americans actually saying that they want to work. this is the lowest level since 1978. and it's comprised of a couple of different components, which makes it a little more complicated, one being that we do have changing demographics, and those of us in the baby boom generation are beginning to retire, and that takes us out of the labor force. but there are clearly a very large number of discouraged workers, people who just don't think it's worth their while to look for work anymore. and something like 375,000 people who dropped out of the labor force in december alone. and so, the fact that the unemployment rate went down is actually not the good news it seems like many of us expect

that as the economy recovers, some of the discoloneled workers will come back in the labor force and put pressure on the unemployment rate. >> -- baby boomer, older people dropping out of the workforce. if you look inside the numbers, there are a lot of young people who dropped out. usually when you say the participation is down, it's okay, people are getting older and not working, that's not really the case with these numbers. >> you're absolutely right, will. that's absolutely not the case. the estimates around that maybe a quarter of those 375,000 people left the labor force were, because they were older and getting ready to retire. some people think it's less. but whatever it is, it's hundreds of thousands of people last month and millions of people over the last three years who have left the labor force simply because they're discouraged and they don't say they're looking for work anymore. >> we have the weather stuff and seasonal. are there structural things people are looking at, saying maybe this is a bigger problem? >> in terms of the month's numbers? >> yeah. >> i don't think yet.

i think there's a little sign of softness in things like automobiles, but i think for the most part people are looking at the weather and basically saying, it's one month. the previous month was revised up by 38,000. so these numbers are always subject to revision. but so far, we're not that worried. here's one other thing that doesn't get as much attention in the jobs report that i think we should be worrying about, which is wages. so the bls reports wages every month, and as you can see, since the end of the recession, these are real wages, meaning after adjustment for inflation. they've gone up a bit, they've gone down a bit. up a bit. and it looked like we were on a kind of upward trend these last few months, but in november and december, real wages started to move back down again. and so, in december, real wages were only .6% above where they were a year ago. very hard to have a sustainable recovery if people don't have incomes to spend. if you don't have money, you can't spend it. if people can't spend, you don't get a strong recovery.

and that's something that doesn't get as much attention when the numbers come out every month. >> okay. let's move on to chris christie. more subpoenas could come as early as today in the growing scandal surrounding the george washington bridge and the extent to which governor chris christie played a role. the official overseeing the state hearings want to question staffers like bridget anne kelly, who was fired, and while cautioning it's still early in the investigation, he acknowledged that impeachment for governor christie is possible. >> i don't think it's credible for a governor to have his chief of staff, his communications director, his deputy chief of staff all involved, his chief counsel, all involved in e-mail communications on the day this took place and the days after, talking not only about the problems that were created in ft. lee, but also talking about how to spin it to the press. i don't think it's possible for all of those people to be involved and know, and for the

governor to absolutely have no communication. >> democratic mayors and other new jersey cities are publicly reflecting on whether they, too, were victims of retribution. the mayor of jersey city was promised increased access to the state commissioners but the planned meetings were cancelled within an hour of his decision not to endorse the governor. and the mayor of hoboken said she thinks her city was punished after she received less than 1% of sandy aid money. >> in any, 20/20 hindsight, in the context we're in now, you can look back, okay, retribution. so i think probably all mayors are reflecting right now and thinking about it. you know, i really hope that that's not the case. >> well, few republicans with national profiles rushed to his

defense when the scandal first boiled over last week, christie received praise on the sunday shows with a caveat. >> he stood there for 111 minutes, in an open dialogue with the press. now, only if barack obama and hillary clinton would give us 111 seconds of that would we find out some things we want to find out about obamacare, benghazi, the irs. >> i thought he did an excellent job by the very lengthy press conference. i think that he can now move on, as long as another shoe doesn't drop. >> i think he did himself some good by contrasting with the normal routine, and i think it will be hard for democrats to turn this into an issue. the question is whether the facts will turn this into an issue. >> yeah, that is the question. mark halprin? >> he has the state of the state address tomorrow. and i think, look, when you have a political scandal, particularly when people are questioning your honesty and your judgment, the best thing to do politically, not just as governor, but if he wants to run

for president be remind why they like you, and remind people you stand for something. he's been a reformer in new jersey, and people criticize his record on some counts. but i think this is a big week for him personally, and the speech is a big deal. but the investigation goes on. and these people getting subpoenas now are going to face personal choices, what lawyers do they hire, how much do they fight things. but, also, they're going to face a lot of scrutiny about whether they turn over documents. the people think about the subpoenas so far, they've all been to port authority officials. those have captured some correspondence from the governor's office, but now the question is, does the governor urge people -- continue to urge people to cooperate, and do they cooperate? >> yeah. you know, i think the key questions that were left out of that two-hour news conference is why he didn't question bridget anne kelly right then and there. how does someone like chris christie, you know, who i know well, not ask questions? and then, when you hear about how that unfolded and he

describes it, and, you know, i commended him for just sitting out there for two hours taking questions right and left. i think that certainly gave the optics of being open and forthcoming. having said that, when he asked people to go talk to the lawy s lawyers, the four people in his office, if you knew anything about this, go talk to so-and-so, it's almost as he was codifying himself from the story. and then the other question i think was left lingering was why he wouldn't raise a lot of questions and stir up a lot of dust in the office when the two other people resigned a lot earlier. >> yes. >> right. >> how do you just kind of cut that out of your reality? so the key question that's still left here this morning is how could he not know? and that he has to still -- >> well, look, and the questions go back to the beginning. because there were these four days of intense traffic tie-ups in a major part of new jersey.

you know, i've been riding in a car with mike bloomberg when the car runs over a pothole, and he calls 311. part of the job is attention to detail. the idea he sort of blew it off and it was left to the state assembly to investigate, and all of the stuff you mentioned about a lack of intellectual curiosity, shall we say, what was really going on there. >> yeah. >> it's just odd. i'm not saying -- >> if nothing comes out, he probably politically, whether you like it or not, can survive it. will he? >> he left himself no room, though. >> no room. >> he said, i absolutely did not know about this. i heard about it 8:50. anything that comes back that traces him to it, what do you do? you heard from the mayor of hoboken, don zimmer, which is people looking back on things that may have happened to them, things they didn't get, requested. >> sandy money. >> wait a minute, is this the same kind of retribution i'm getting, and they'll look each

one of those. >> he's already lost a couple of key advisors, and even if this doesn't get closer to him, he'll learn more people. there will be indications that senior staff were involved and it will be very hard for him to keep anybody on his staff who had any knowledge of that, and that means he has to rebuild his inner circle, and some people think it's a great opportunity -- >> i think it is. people who are so used to the big time they don't get too big for their britches, and i think that might have been what happened here. that's my instinct. i think he could do himself a big favor by getting rid of rudy as his front man. the best person to speak for chris christie is chris christie. there's no one better. and actually, i think rudy has brought it down, calling it a prank. i'm sorry, you're the mayor of new york city during 9/11, closing four lanes on the gwb and possibly even slowing down

emts getting to where they should go on the biggest bridge -- i believe the most travelled bridge in the world, which is a national security potential target, you don't, as rudy giuliani, oh, it was just a prank, without looking like you're completely in the tank and not even willing to come close to reality and tell the truth. i found it to be a really poor choice. >> and in chris christie's defense, he would never use that term prank. he would reject that. >> he wouldn't, but rudy giuliani's defense of christie on the show was really unimpressive. >> pathetic. with all due respect, like him very much, it was terrible. it made the situation worse. you know, people have to have better instincts about who they want speaking for them, and usually it is you who should peek for yourself. >> sometimes, though, your surrogates don't have a good story to tell because there's not a good story to tell. coming up, how big donors are turning their backs on washington to shape politics at

the state level. we have the first installment on a new series in "the new york times." first, bill karins. >> a couple of minor weather stories out there, and one huge weather story not getting enough attention. any airport problems today, possibly in new orleans, with the rain moving up, maybe in atlanta later this afternoon, but it won't be major. late tonight into tomorrow morning, light snow comes down through minneapolis, across milwaukee, chicago during the day on tuesday. not a big snow event, but somewhere there in wisconsin you'll get around 3 to 6 inches near milwaukee, to make things slippery and difficult getting home from work and the kids, too. the story not getting enough attention is out west. this huge ridge has kept you dry for a better portion of the year. the drought keeps getting worse, and we're in our, quote, rainy season from l.a. north wward, a we have none on the way. red flag warning and high fire danger in los angeles,

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time now to take a look at the "morning papers." the chicago tribune, israel is

bidding a final farewell to ariel sharon. the 85-year-old sharon passed away on saturday after spending eight years in a coma following a stroke. leaders from around the world gathered in jerusalem for his state funeral. vice president joe biden gave a touching tribute to the man nicknamed the king of israel. >> he had a north star that guided him, a north star from which he never, in my observation, never deviated. his north star for the survival of the state of israel and the jewish people, wherever they resided. >> joe biden this morning in jerusalem. the los angeles times, pope francis named 19 new cardinals on sunday, marking his first batch of appointments to the college of cardinals. ten of the sleks come from latin america, caribbean, asia, and

they say it shows his commitment to broadening the global reach of the pontiff church. they focused on appointing cardinals from haiti. nine counties in west virginia, this is a huge story, remain under a state of emergency this morning with 300,000 residents banned from using tap water. governor earl way says there are signs of conditions improving. chemicals contaminated the water supply last week. there is no timetable for when the ban will be lifted. >> from nbcnews.com, a new study shows each year, school violence lands 90,000 students in the e.r. each year. bullying continues to plague school-age children. injuries range from minor injuries to fractures and brain

trauma. >> a major mixup as a southwest airline lands at the wrong airport in missouri. it was supposed to land at brandon, but landed eight miles away. southwest says it doesn't have an explanation. >> i like that explanation. we have nothin'. and the chairman and ceo of target is speaking out for the first time about the massive data breach that may have affected 110 million customers. in an exclusive interview, greg steinhoffle revealed malware was installed on the registers. he also said they waited four days to inform customers, because they needed to investigate and prepare call centers. >> as time goes on, we're going to get down to the bottom of this. we're not going to rest until we understand what happened and how that happened. clearly, we're accountable and we're responsible. but we're going to come out at the end of this a better company, and we're going to make significant changes. i mean, that's -- that's what you do when you go through a period like this. you have -- you have to learn

from it, and you have to apply the learnings, and we're committed to do that. >> all right. the toronto star, toronto mayor rob ford hit the town on saturday night. he made a surprise appearance at a local nightclub in toronto. it wasn't long before photos of him and club goers started popping up on instagram. ford's campaign manager says it was part of his re-election campaign. >> wow, he's looking hard. look at the sweat on that shirt. >> yeah. >> a good night. wow. >> god. "the new york times" is out with a new series called "one party rule" that looks at the origin and impact of one party controlling legislatures and governor's mansions. joining us is nick who wrote the inaugural piece yesterday for the series. nick writes, in part, in some states, the shifts are largely organic, the product of latino immigration, economic transformation, and other demographic forces. but elsewhere, the strategic deployment of campaign cash has helped consultants and donors

accelerate or arrest states' natural drift to one party or another, define election trends. little successes are paving the way for what amounts to a vast real-world experiment in law making, at a time when washington appears hopelessly divided in gridlock, elected officials have aggressively reshaped government policy, where they're legalizing same-sex marriage and marijuana, abolishing taxes and regulation, or restricting guns, or labor unions. nick, good to see you, man. >> you, too. >> part two is in the paper today. how far do you trace this back? >> when feingold cut off money from the federal parties to the states. people in the states had to say, how can we raise money? over time, over ten years, they created the systems for bringing money in from around the country and funneling it into states where they could do a flip, and it reaches apogee, really, in

2010, when the gop really succeeded massively at this, bringing in over $100 million around the country and flipping, i think, 20 or so states. and it's amazing, if you look at a swing state in presidential politics, like colorado or carolina, right, they are bright red and bright blue at the state level and state government. >> so you said, you know, the gop has succeeded at this, but there are 13 states, also solely controlled by democrats. have they done as well? have they used the same methods to get the money into those states? >> it's all the same methods. it's raising money from a national group, and then finding ways to go around, you know, campaign finance limits and -- because normally, you can't just pump a whole lot of money into a lot of states. this he have strict rules. what they do, they set up shadow parties, the political nonprofits, that basically take on a lot of the work of paying for advertising, and they can't be tracked. >> yeah.

>> and you can't see where the money comes from, unless you look at where it's going to. >> these are effectively like super pacs anyway, right? >> yeah. >> a lot of the states like massachusetts have a $500 limit on what anybody can give to a campaign, so the only way to get meaningful amount of money behind your campaign is to have the outside groups? >> yes. and listen, they have great lawyers, and they find ways to get around some of the laws. so, for example, in alabama, in 2010, we saw they were, like, wait a second, we can raise lots and lots of money into a pac, from all around the country, companies that probably have no idea what the money is going for, and they put it into this pac, and it turns out it was a loophole and they could shuffle the whole amount over to the state party in a way they could not do directly to the candidates. and they find ways to do that all over the country, and it maximizes the money that can go in, and all of a sudden, the money is there to kind of overwhelm what would normally take place in the state. >> today's piece, you look at

minnesota versus wisconsin. >> that's right. >> and are there any differences with alabama? there were some real changes, obviously. >> that's right. here we had two states that historically have similar populations and religion and demographics, and their politics were very similar for a very long time. but in the last three years, they've gone, like this, very different states. you see that minnesota is a place where they're raising taxes on the wealthy, where, you know, they're putting in pre-k for kids, where they have gay marriage now. and in wisconsin, as everyone knows, they've gone in a very different direction. they've restricted unions, cut taxes, and you can see what happens when the national networks come in and power a transformation in a state that affects everyone's lives on the ground. >> all right. "the new york times," nicholas, you can see the piece in today's "the new york times." thank you very much. up next, pat and dick. bestselling author will swift explains how richard nixon's complicated life impacted his five-decade marriage.

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presidential biographer will swift, and author of the new book "pat and dick, intimate portraits of a marriage." this has always been a marriage to me that i don't think people examined enough. >> right. >> there's been sort of a -- there's sort of the sadness that unfortunately lingered over it. but you tell some happy times. >> sure. >> talk about what made them wonderful couple, for instance. >> you know, frank gannon, who helped nixon write his memoirs, always described nixon as the guy -- the guy with no game who got the hot girl. if you read about the early courtship, for an entire year he chased her, and he was madly in love with her from the moment he met her. and i think that continued throughout their whole marriage. and so, they had wonderful times in the early married life. in 1946, they were the first

husband and wife team to run for political office, and essentially she was running with him. >> so she enjoyed the political side of it. >> she enjoyed it a lot -- >> early on. >> early on. and i think people use the fact that she didn't like some of the aspects of politics to say this was a bad marriage. but one of the things i believe is that when it's not, if you have incompatibilities in a marriage, joe, it's how you handle them that makes the difference in whether you have a good marriage. and i think they had a remarkable marriage. i mean, the things they've been through, incredible. >> and she was -- she was tough, also. i mean, there's a moment in '52 when eisenhower was dangling nixon out there and basically letting him twist in the wind, where she turned to him and said, "why are we putting up with this? let's go home." it's not what you would expect from pat nixon. >> not only that. when he was giving his checker speech to redeem his candidacy, he said, i don't think i can do it right before he went up on

stage, and she said, yes, you can. she grabbed his hand and led him up to the stage. and he considered her the far stronger partner in the marriage. she was the backbone in the marriage, and i can tell you many stories all along from watergate, from caracas, she was the strong, strong one that held things together. >> obviously, one of the first ladies that lived through the television medium, and she always just looked unhappy. you picture pat nixon, she -- >> well, she came of age, not the -- >> well, i was still 11, 12 years old in '68, the first four years, not talking about the watergate years, but a solemnness, as i kind of go in my visual memory bank, versus other first ladies. >> she was private. she didn't like the big arena. everybody who knew her close up thought she was one of the warmest, most lovely people they ever met, so people's images

have to do with how close they were to her. she came into office right at the women's liberation movement was cresting, so she was caught between their conservative voters and allies who wanted her to be the perfect wife and the traditional first lady, and a whole group of feminists and other kinds of women who wanted -- >> that's interesting. >> she had a difficult line to toe, and it took her a couple of years in the white house to actually figure out what would be best role for her. for her, it was always the foreign travel. she was best, you know, 1970, nixon sent her to peru, the first first lady who went down to help with a natural catastrophe, and she taught the first lady of peru how to handle it, how to walk in the ruins and connect with the people. he sent her to africa in 1972. she was the first first lady to go to an inauguration of a foreign leader. she addressed the assembly. she was fantastic as a webbive of the united states. and she loved it. and they both bonded over a sense of adventure. >> it would seem that for any marriage to last as long as their marriage lasted, any

marriage, that there would have to be an emotional exchange going on between husband and wife over the course of many years. and yet, from the outside, looking at their marriage, looking at them as a couple, not their marriage -- >> right. >> -- you have the husband, richard nixon, who seems emotionally mute. >> right. >> incapable of exploring or articulating real emotion, other than when he has to leave the white house. >> right. >> what was the deal? talk to me about the emotional aspect of their marriage, what it was, what we thought it might be, what the reality of what -- >> well, i think people had a negative view, because in pub c public, he was very busy being the president and going off, and people often didn't like the fact that he seemed to leave her behind. but in private, they had a very warm marriage. and the insiders saw them as people that could have fun with each other. they joked. they really had an intense connection. if you read his love letters to her, written when he was in the

war, he's mad about her. he's talking about i love you every minute that i'm not with you. i'm so proud of you, i can't wait to show you off, the picture you sent me, to all the guys. i mean, there's plenty of evidence. and over the last couple of years, they've released now some of the war time letters, some of the courtship letters, and you see a completely different, tender side of him. >> what was it like at the end? >> at the end -- you mean at the end of the white house? >> the end of the marriage -- >> well, the last year in the white house, i think, was one of the most difficult periods in their marriage, and i tracked how often they ate together in the white house, and it radically reduced from january to august of '74. so there really was that distance, because he was keeping all of the secrets from her. he wasn't telling her about the taping. he wasn't telling her about a lot of things. but the last years of their marriage, after they went to n clemente in exile, they would have dinner every night, go swimming in the pool, they had a

great time. they were both avid football fans. in the book, there's a tremendous amount about the tender and connected way they were when richard nixon was out of power, and it was a great thing. because she was the most american -- most admired american. 14 times. including in san clemente after the resignation. >> and an amazing moment for anybody following this relationship, was the end when pat nixon passed away and richard nixon for the first time in his life really revealed how -- an emotionally vulnerable moment when he absolutely collapsed. >> and there are videos that -- >> shocking, and afterwards, he was self-conscious about it. but he couldn't help himself. >> he couldn't control himself. he had a handkerchief, he was covering his mouth, crying uncontrollably. later, he leaned on nancy reagan's arm and started crying again. he absolutely was devastated. >> and you say he never

recovered from her death. >> he never recovered from her death, and monica crowley, his foreign policy assistant, heard him a couple days after -- he said, it's empty. it's so silent. there's nothing going on. oh, my god, what can i do? he was truly devastated. >> mika said that he came over to their house after -- a month or two after the death, and she said she remembered looking at him, mika brzezinski -- >> right, right. >> -- and said that she looked at him out on the porch, and she said she had never seen in her life before or sense a man so totally alone and miserable. said it was the saddest thing she'd ever seen, he missed his wife so much. he was -- there was nothing left for him to live for. >> no. >> well, thank you so much, will. we greatly appreciate you being here. >> thank you for having me. >> the book looks fantastic, "pat and dick, the nixons, an

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we decided to send our own celebrity to chronicle the event. oh, god. here it goes. >> i'm here on the red carpet at the 71st annual golden globe awards where the stars kick off hollywood's awards season. ♪ >> this is a great festival. everybody sits together. we all kind of drink together. >> it's really the only big event in the year where the whole tv business and the movies come together. >> it's going to be a really exciting night. >> if you were stuck in space, who would be the one person you'd want to have with you? >> sandra bullock, because she knows how to go -- >> anyone? >> it would be my wife. >> an astronaut. some guy who knows what he's doing. >> marisa tomei? >> that's a good one. >> hmm. >> you sort of set him up. >> my daughter. >> all right, that's good. safe answer. >> i'd want to be stuck in space

with an astronaut to get me back to earth. >> i would be stuck with sandra bullock, because she knows what to do. >> what device do you have the most inappropriate relationship? >> my computer. >> probably too tight with the cell phone. >> the most inappropriate is my car. >> popcorn maker. >> bradley cooper brought back the perm in "american hustle." >> is that an official fact? i would ask bradley about that. >> i don't know, the perm, i stay away with that. >> when you were finished with the film, did you know it would be one of the best films of the year? >> no, is the answer to that question. not at all. all we focused on doing the best we could tact. >> did you think your show would have as much success right out of the gate as it has had? >> no, you never think anything you do will ever have success. >> yeah, i know. very few people come back and win an award and get up on stage in front of hollywood and do what you did tonight. how do you feel about that? >> it's been a magical time, and

i'm happy to start 2014 with this award. >> golden globe, baby. it doesn't get much better than that. >> i know. >> now the awards are over, let the party begin. louis berg dorff, "morning joe," los angeles. >> ah. i almost thought he wasn't going to embarrass us. >> and then, yet -- >> the last 20 seconds. >> he was good. come on. >> no, the last -- first, golden globes, baby. >> no, that's hard work on the red carpet. >> you know what he -- >> i'll send you my insider -- >> -- some irony. he should have infused it with irony. >> what was the jig he was doing at the end? >> not ironic. he was happy it was over. it's hard work on the red carpet. it is. he did a great job. you know who else did a great job, tina and amy? >> love them. >> a fantastic duo in their sophomore attempt. and the skit they did where tina fey introduces her child from -- >> randy. fantastic stuff.

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