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bought him some time on that front. >> will this be an issue to define the midterms? >> no, it's not going to be that. let's see what debate breaks out on capitol hill but this is not an easy -- this issue here is not a democratic party versus republican party issue. this really is sort of the national security hawks versus the libertarian wings of both party, individualist wings of both party, civil libertarians. i don't imagine it being a divisive issue between the two parties. >> i was surprised he mentioned edward snowden not once but twice but three times. and mass collection of data is not going to stop in this country. >> this was a speech that in some ways sought to normalize the term bulk collection, saying
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bulk collection is here to say and the question is who gets to query it. it has been the intelligence community's perspective on this all time. it was james clapper who told n andrea mitchell. the constitution applied to when they went to get a book off the shelf. that was their understanding constitutionally. the library was being built, we put it in a place and the constitution stops us from willy nilly grabbing it off the shelves. that's a question that needs to be contested in the courts. >> you did hear the president just say they are going to stop willy nilly grabbing things right now -- >> there is a number of presidential directives and initial review and significantly scaling back from three steps to two steps the bulk collection metadata. when you hook at data at that
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scope, that's a lot of people caught up. >> i think there was an implicit admission that there's been overclassification of data. i thnk he mentioned a number of times how they were going to release some opinions other information. he mentioned and wanted to highlight how much information was going to be released and review period on when they are going to be releasing more data. that's a real problem. part of the thing is we collect so much stuff and sort it out as chris pointed out earlier, you can't sort through that stuff. it lends itself to abuse in secretty and who knows what happens. >> the president did go out of his way to say so far based on their review, there had been no abuse to their knowledge. >> i heard you earlier say that. the fact is who knows quite frankly. and in my view, it's not just a matter of saying there hasn't been any deliberate -- he said intentional views. what does that even mean?
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the fact of the matter is the people have a right to live their lives free of government interconvenience and observation unless they are doing something to warrant that. i think we've got to flip this and we haven't abused it, therefore it's okay. >> in terms of politics of the speech, the politics primarily as chuck alluded to were not necessary democrat and republican. the biggest political thing he was trying to accomplish in this speech was to aswaj the fears of the intelligence community. it is directed to people inside the intelligence community, i'm your friend, you're patriots and you're getting beaten up. >> tried to humanize the nsa. >> they are our friends. >> they have kids with facebook accounts and instagram accounts. >> a lot of that is about the fact the most brutal politics are behind the scenes institutional politics between the white house and nsa and dni and cia, a massive entity.
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>> it was also interesting congressman, you have the president saying on a number of occasions he's going to call on congress to act, no offense to present company, but that is not an institution over the past few years has become renowned for acting. >> that's right. i think on this occasion there is basis to believe -- >> really? >> i do because there have been people on both the republican and democratic sides who have raised questions about this and here's the other thing as chuck todd mentioned, there's people on the republican and democratic side who do believe that the state should have a lot of power and be able to do -- there are people on both sides on both sides of the issue so i think that may be a path forward. >> this is one of the more interesting parts of the speech i found at least. this is the president talking about how we got here. take a listen. >> in the long twilight struggle against communism, we have been reminded the very liberties we sought to preserve could not be
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sacrificed at the alter of national security. >> and in terms of the balance. in terms of tracking -- >> he kind of alluded to -- counterintelligence program under jay edgar hoover to literally stop the rise of a black messiah. that's the language you found in those documents. it is true that that when the president raidsed those issues, it should let everybody know it is legitimate. it is right to probe into this issue. you're not soft on security if you're really concerned about secrecy and government and privacy. >> president commented on congress to create this panel of experts to advice the fisa court as well. it will be interesting to see whether that's something that congress does -- >> look, there's a proliferation of boards and reviews that have happened. of course, there is the civil liberties board which hadn't met for several years until the snowden revelations happened. the proof is in the pudding and
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it is in the eating and the eating is legs lating. it is -- without a congressional legislation reforms of section 215 of the patriot act and without prescribed statutory limits on what can be done, that is what matters in the end. we'll see if this is the first step towards getting that. >> let me tell you about these boards. i'm not as concerned about it because this stuff is complicated. i mean, we're -- contrary to what some may believe, member of congress very busy person. some of you -- you know, i would say most of us and this stuff does merit legitimate studies so the fact is i don't think that this thing -- this solving this problem is giving a sound bite. then there's another thing. we have to get our constituents understanding that this is an important issue that is worthy -- >> i'm glad you brought that up. how much do you think john q six pack understands and appreciates the complexities that the
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president outlined here and just in broad terms? >> they understand the basic issues which are important, one is that they should have a right to be able to go to the bathroom and not have some government agent knowing what they are doing in there. two, that technology and whole bunch of other stuff and government's willingness to want to get more power is at work. three, there are legitimate threats and this is a complicated issue. people don't -- people do get there's a real issue and i don't have they have conceded their privacy, they la meant the loss of it and want some of it back. >> the polling shows there have been a real change in america in terms of two polls about the government not going far enough and going too far in the wake of 9/11. today they are worried it will go too far -- >> that's a para dime shift. if you ask people, what are you voting on this midterm and what
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is getting you up at night? >> this going to drive folks -- >>s for a vast majority of voters, it's not this. >> it does matter and i guarantee you i will be asked about it in minneapolis and in my district and people expect me to strike the balance. here's the other thing, people know that being a congressman, part of why they voted for you, to spend your time and effort understanding things that they don't have the time to drill down on but they care about. people in congress have to do the real work. twin constituents are watching. >> host of ms nbc "all in", keith ellison, there's the book. thank you. bringing in historian of the presidency now director of the library at nyu.
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michael rad nor, human rights attorney and counts julian asank and wikileaks. did he do what was necessary to put this message behind him? >> two things. one, he gave an unprecedented speech for an american president. it doesn't -- it's not often this happens. by definition a president should be -- no american president has ever spoken about signals intelligence and our obligations as americans in spying on the world in the way that president obama did today. he's taking in some -- to some extent a risk. whether or not he's done enough, that's going to depend on what happens in the implementation of these changes. as chris hayes mentioned, a lot of what he's done is promise
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change. the government hasn't decided how it's going to move this database and where it's going to move the metadata 215 information. there's a lot of details -- the devil is in the details. the other thing we don't know about is the nature of the presidential directive. i suspect it's top secret plus. i'm not sure whether we'll get a modified version. a lot of what he's telling us we can't know. i suspect he went too far for the intelligence community and not far enough for civil liberties advocates but i suspect there was no alternative. i don't see how he could have moved closer to either side. he's tried a middle path and it's always hard to be successful when you do that. >> here's one of the more interesting parts i think coming out of this speech. the president acknowledging that the collection of this bulk metadata also acknowledging the
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way we are storing this metadata is not the best way to do it, but he didn't seem to say, okay, this is precisely who should be holding the metadata, whether it's the telecommunications company, telecommunications companies or whether it should be some sort of third party group or pseudogovernment entity. it's going to be interesting to see how we solve that dilemma and who is going to house this bulk data. i want to get to that point but i first want to react to this speech. the speech began with really a bouquet of roses, and in my view that's really not where it should have started. it should have started by saying, americans value the right to privacy, the fourth amount rights and yes we have to have surveillance to keep us safe. the second thing he said that was significant, americans shouldn't have to trust us, we
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should have the protections built in. but when we get to the actual speech, he really is saying, trust us, trust us, trust us. on this particular issue, the metadata you're mentioning, he acknowledges they are going to continue to keep taking in all of this metadata on our phone calls. that's been unconstitutional by at least one district court judge. he's going to continue to do that. what he saying about that? instead when we look at it, only going to go two degrees rather than three degrees into it. that's just saying, trust us, trust us. my view is that no metadata ought to be collected at all. you need a court warrant to get that data. >> i was going to say, that's the problem with talking about signals intelligence. it's such a highly classified collection of materials in our government that very few people see. you have congressman ellison
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earlier, he doesn't have clearances to see most of this material the problem in our society, there are very few people not collecting this data, analyzing it, who are able to assess its quality and the probable abuses of its use. that's the problem and the president told us he's going to nom nature a couple of people, one in the state department, one who's going to work with podesta in the white house but doesn't tell us whether these people will interact with the public, whether the public debate will be richer and more transparent than it was. that's the issue. he is absolutely right. the problem is the president said we all know you can't trust government with private information and other the other hand he's not really saying anything else but trust me, i'll get it right. the reason why we care is that we want the system to work even when a president we don't trust
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is in office. >> i think that's a good spot to leave it with you guys. we'll pick up our coverage of the president's proposed changes with congressman rush hold, an outspoken opponent of a lot of this stuff on the other side of this break. >> i was confident in the integrity of those who lead our intelligence community, it was clear to me in observing our intelligence communications on a regular basis, that changes in our tech no logical capabilities were raising new questions about the privacy safeguards currently in place. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have the flu, i took medicine but i still have symptoms. [ sneeze ] [ male announcer ] truth is not all flu products treat all your symptoms. what? [ male announcer ] nope, they don't have an antihistamine. really? [ male announcer ] really.
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instead it provides a record of phone numbers and the times and lengths of calls. >> remember how we got here, it started with a young nsa contractor who pulled off the biggest security breach in u.s. history. snowden secretly downloaded 1.7 million files from the high tech spy service. those disclosures led to countless em parising stories in the media and now led to this. >> what i did not know at the time was within weeks of my speech, an avalancfter unauthor disclosures would spark controversies home and abroad that have continued to this day. >> given the fact of an open investigation, i'm not going to dwell on mr. snowden's actions or motivations. i will say that our nation's defense depends on part on the fidelity of those entrusted with our nation's secrets. if any individual who objects to
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government policy can take it into their own hands to publicly disclose classified information, then we will not be able to keep our people safe or conduct foreign policy. >> president obama just a few moments ago at the justice department. congressman rush holt is a democrat from new jersey and frequent critic of the national security agency. a quick summary of what the president announced today, nsa analysts will not be able to get telephone metadata on their own, they'll need a judge's approval and calling on congress to establish this outside panel of experts to advise the fisa court on privacy concerns and there's going to be new protections to safeguard the privacy of foreigners as well, what are your initial reaction to the president's speech? >> well, that there's less than meets the eye. on that basic point, he keeps in
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place this reasonable suspicion, which falls short of the fourth amendment probable cause particularization standard, which should be observed whenever americans are surveilled or detained or interrogated. so that that's the big problem. then there are a number of other things that recommendations from his own commission, that he really didn't take. he didn't extend more protection to whistle blowers and in a highly secret agency like this, you were talking about it a few moments ago, without people who are able to assess what's going on and that's usually people on the inside, then you can't really have good oversight. and i've got to tell you, the nsa is very good at presenting what they want to members of congress. to shaping it the way they want, presenting the information they
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want. i mean, when i was on the intelligence committee, i went to meet personally with general alexander. i sat down with him and said, now, i want to be able to tell my constituents that the nsa is not spying on americans. he gave me this long song and dance that essentially was deception. it was they are in the business of deception. so to say there's good oversight is really a mistake. the president did not talk about protection on back doors and nsa undermining encryption -- >> we're trying to -- >> he didn't talk about other things, technology assessment and so forth. >> you're alluding to the 46 recommendations made by that five-person panel and we're in the process of trying to go through. but you point out the president did not seem to take a number of those recommendations. how surprised are you by that?
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>> he's been saying for many months, in fact most of his administration that he supports the way the intelligence community has been operating. and so i'm not really surprised. i'm disappointed because i do think it's been since the church committee met in the mid-70s and issued recommendations since the intelligence community has really been reigned in. so i do think it is high time that we put in place a number of things and this -- the president's own commission made a number of recommendations that are worth taking -- >> your point of view on this seems to align with the kentucky senator rand paul to a certain extent. we just got a statement in from him that said in part, while i'm encouraged that the president is addressing the nsa spying program because of pressure from congress and the american people, i am disappointed in the details. the fourth amendment requires an individualized warrant based on
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probable cause before the government can search phone records and e-mails. again -- >> that shouldn't be partisan. there shouldn't be a partisan difference in upholding the fourth amendment of our constitution. because you know, that serves to keep the government from treating people as suspects. the way it is today with the nsa, they are treating people as suspects first and citizens second. >> congressman -- i didn't mean to cut you off there, i'm sorry. ten seconds, last word. >> well, and also fourth amendment prevents surveillance and enforcement agencies from going off on wild goose chases following just their hunches. you have to prove to an outside person they know what they are doing. that provides better protection not less. >> we'll leave it there. >> thank you. >> getting served. 20 subpoenas to be issued as the investigation into the george washington bridge scandal continues. i'll talk to a member of the special committee investigating
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the folks in my government are going to continue to get the job done for you. that's what you pay us for and what you re-elected me to do. >> chris christie at a hurricane sandy event earlier this week. underneath the business as usual vibe, the investigation into the george washington bridge closing is in full swing. a bipartisan special committee issued subpoenas for documents related to the scandal. so far 20 in all have been sent, most to christie aides with three to organizations with subpoenas for testimony expected to follow at some point. michael isikoff has been following the story closely. bring us up to speed. the subpoenas, what's being asked for? >> documents, e-mails and text messages.
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we can report the governor's office has gotten one and governor's re-election committee got one as well. look, these -- assembly authorization for this committee is very broad. and it is asked -- the language talks not just about the abuse of government power in the shutdown of the george -- those lanes that caused the traffic jams on the george washington bridge but attempts to conceal it at -- in other words, the cover-up, while the governor and his top aides were publicly claiming this was about a traffic study, the evidence so far shows that it was not, that there was this political angle to it. and that the committee's scope is broad to include the attempt to deflect the stories about it. that's what makes it so
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dangerous for governor christie and that's why so much of this evidence is going to be problematic for him because while there may not be direct evidence showing that he or his top aides knew about the original reason for the shutdown, everything that took place after that that's within the scope of this committee. >> nbc's michael isikoff thank you. my colleague sitting here, chris hayes, asked the man leading the investigation this key question. will chris christie himself get a subpoena? here was the response. >> there are other people we need to talk to first before we can make any conclusions, we don't want to jump to conclusions or sensationalize it -- >> you're not ruling it out. >> we're not ruling anything out or ruling anything in. we're going to take it step by step, piece by piece. >> let's start there. do you foresee a point when new
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jersey's governor is subpoenaed for documents or even perhaps subpoenaed himself to testify? >> i'm going to have it to echo the words of chairman wisniewski. this is an investigation and we need to start at the beginning. before we can subpoena the governor, if that becomes an issue, we need to know what led up to his office. once we have all of the information, maybe -- >> wouldn't we just -- couldn't we save a bunch of time and start at the end, start at the top? >> this is a situation where you have an individual from his office who sent a text message that abused her position. we need to know what caused that atmosphere. we can't go to the top like you're suggesting without going to bottom to see what created this atmosphere to allow them to think that they had the power to shut down three lanes at the george washington bridge. so yes, while i understand you're suggesting why don't we
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just go to the top, go to the top and ask what question? we need to do the research -- >> the question you just asked. >> we need to know for sure what happened, why it happened before we can then question him. if it even gets to that point. >> just a moment ago we were talking about david wildstein earlier, the former port authority official who was reportedly looking for immunity deal. says he will sing like a bird if you guys promise him immunity. would you be comfortable with that? if not, why? >> at this point we have special counsel. i don't believe that at this point we would be able to grant any kind of immunity as a legislative body. we brought special counsel in. i believe special counsel, if that becomes an issue or a possibility, would then work in conjunction say with the united states attorney's office who is investigating this matter as well, inquiry on this matter. but we as a legislative body, i don't believe we have the authority to issue any kind of immunity for him. >> why the two simultaneous yet
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separate investigations in the new jersey assembly? >> this is an investigation that started with the committee for transportation, which i am a member of. chairman wisniewski and senator weinberg have been very much involved with this. the assembly started the investigation and has been methodical about doing the investigation. as a result of the investigation leading us into the governor's office, we created this new committee. we're continuing with our investigation, we've already started and we're ahead. >> are we not duplicating the work if we have two committees. >> that's a valid question but the thing is we were already started and very far ahead into this investigation so the senate would then have to catch up. >> thank you so much for stopping by. we do appreciate it. have a good weekend. >> up next we'll statalk to a staunch critic of the nsa.
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i'll get his reaction of the president's speech. >> i'm directing the director of national intelligence in concert with the attorney general to annually review for the purposes of declassification any future opinions of the court with broad privacy implications. and to report to me and to congress on these efforts. ♪ ♪ stacy's mom has got it goin' on ♪ ♪ stacy's mom has got it goin' on ♪ ♪ stacy's mom has got it goin' on ♪ [ male announcer ] the beautifully practical and practically beautiful cadillac srx. lease this 2014 cadillac srx for around $319 a month with premium care maintenance included. ♪ ♪ every now and then i get a little bit tired ♪ ♪ of craving something that i can't have ♪ ♪ turn around, barbara ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ [ female announcer ] fiber one.
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colleagues sent a letter to the president calling on him to curtail surveillance with your words, reasonable haste. how satisfied are you with the changes announced a few moments ago over the justice department? >> i think the biggest step forward that we see here and it's a really important one is the statement by the president that we're going to get the government out of the business of holding the phone records of millions of innocent american citizens. this is a major victory and there are a lot of pieces and parts of the speech where we need to see the actual detail -- >> isn't it a major victory -- if the bulk data itself is still being collected, and it's going to be -- >> this bulk data has always existed. the phone companies have it and they hold it for a substantial amount of time right now. the point is, your government shouldn't be holding data on you if you are under no suspicion
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whatsoever. >> if tlsz there's a third party group that is going to be created that is pseudogovernmental in nature, isn't that just the same thing? >> i think we're going to have to see exactly what the nature of that arrangement is. i think those critical of the existing program will look very seriously at the details of that to make sure that this is a real change in policy. >> normer nsa chief michael hayden out with strong criticism. this is what he said earlier on "today." >> with regard to hold the data, no one will hold it as well in all dimensions of the word well than the national security agency. it's no surprise that president has punted that question to congress. it appears the president will now demand that the nsa go to the fisa court before they ask the data a question. savannah, i was director of nsa on september 11th.
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that procedure reminds me of the way we operated before the september 11th attacks. >> if we've got to go to judges before, is that going to make us less safe, senator? >> no, it certainly isn't. there are emergency procedures where you can move immediately then go before the judge. but if you're an american citizen and if you're innocent and you have a right to have some sort of review process before the government starts to spy on you or surveil you. and this is a step back towards the kind of balance that i believe the framers of the constitution had in mind when they wrote the fourth amendment in the first place. >> before i let you go, i want to ask about your personal evolution on this issue. when you were in the house, you voted to extend the nsa programs that we're talking about now. they've become so controversial now you're one of the leading voices in the senate to reign in the agency. what happened? >> well, when i joined the
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senate intelligence committee, i saw what was happening and i saw the depth and breadth of these programs. i didn't think -- well, basically i thought if the american people knew those details that they would be very uncomfortable with how far this -- these laws have been taken. i think we need a course correction. there's growing support for that among the american people. i believe that it's incredibly important that we protect our security and our liberties too. >> senator martin heinrich. oklahoma senator tom coburn says he'll be retiring at the current session of congress, coburn says now is the time to get out. while the senator is currently battling a recurrence of prostate cancer, he says this is not the reason he's retiring. in a statement he said in part, my commitment to the people of oklahoma has always been that i would serve no more than two terms. our founders saw public service
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and plikds as a calling rather than a career. that's how i saw it when i first ran for office in 1994 and that's how i still see it today. i believe it's important to live under the laws i helped write. and even those i fought hard to block. for me i'm joined by the political reporter for "chicago sun times." wayne slalter for the "dallas morning news." wayne, senator coburn says serving is a calling, not supposed to make a career out of it. isn't that the way the system is designed? >> you bet you that's the way the system is supposed to be designed from washington on down, george washington on down. interesting thing here is coburn's situation is tragic. he is battling a very difficult illness and so that contributed significantly to his decision. but he is only one of a number of folks who have announced this year, just a few recently, both
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on the east and west coast -- >> just this week. >> jim -- >> and although, although coburn did not specifically say this, craig, there is among some of these decision makers to leave a feeling that washington has become dysfunctional and ain't any fun anymore. you can't get something done. so i have to think that maybe that wasn't the primary maneuver in the coburn case but it's certainly attitude that more and more members of congress have these days. >> natasha, senator coburn not alone, 12-term congressman jim more ran, 11-term congressman both announcing their retirements this week and join a long list that includes 14 other members of the house as well as seven senators all leaving office after this current term. is this a good thing we're seeing members of congress return to the home districts so that others can run or is it as wayne suggested a lot of guys
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who said enough is enough? i can't take this anymore. >> i take it as a bad sign for things to come. there's certainly a lot of frustration in congress. we've been governing by crisis for a while. there's been frustration over just not getting anything done. and you know, a lot of these early termers now who are leaving are saying they just couldn't believe how little they got done in congress. so the fact that they are -- we've had one a week -- one a day this week announcing and we're expecting many more is not a good sign for what's up ahead in terms of gridlock in washington. >> here's the thing, it seems as if we're starting to look to the same circles to find candidates for high office. some think this should change. this is former first lady barbara bush talking about the prospect of her son jeb running
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for office. >> if we can't find more than two or three families to run for high office, that's silly. kennedys, clintons, bushes, they are just more families than that. >> here's the thing, wayne, this is not first time the former first lady has expressed this sentiment, saying that here in america we've got about three families that we pick from now. what does it say about our country that we can see a clinton versus a bush hypothetically in 2016, and that 20 of the last 25 years has seen a bush or clinton in the white house? >> yeah, what she's saying makes perfect sense to a lot of americans. the kennedys and clintons and bushes, is that the only families, are those the only families in america to produce political figures? the truth is there's always been these dynasty's, talking about the adam's family or --
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>> roosevelts. >> she's discouraging jeb, her youngest son from running. thanks a lot, mom. at the same time, george p. bush is on the ball lot, will likely win so the dynasty continues. >> what's that office he's running for? >> commissioner, it's a good statewide office and may not sound like much. it's a great place for him to again. >> great way to dip your foot in the texas political waters. have a great weekend. democrats and republicans banding together to restore a key part of the voting rights act recently struck down by the high court but that's happening at the same time states are passing laws restricting access to the ballot box. zachary roth will join me after this to explain. because this hotel has some amazing.... footwear. and how about the 5 pound barbell at this resort?
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over president obama's speech a few moments ago, last hour. senator john mccain has weighed in issuing a statement saying in part, president obama's speech today left many crucial questions unanswered. now is the time for congress to improve how it executes its constitution alg oversight duties to examine certain signals intelligence collection activities and practices and to ensure that we are fulfilling our obligation to protect both the security of our nation and freedom of our citizens. the vital issues at stake here are complex. cut across many areas of jurisdiction of the established congressional committees including national security, inl tell jens, technology, commerce and foreign affairs and privacy. here's the headline here, that is why we will introduce legislation to establish a senate select committee to examine all of these important issues and questions. that statement coming a few moments ago from arizona senator
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john mccain. i'm sure of course, that response will continue over the next hours a days. let's pivot and talk about fresh news in the battle over voting rights in this country. pennsylvania state judge today striking down that state he is voter i.d. requirement, saying it imposing an unreasonable burden, after those on capitol hill proposed a fix to restore protections in the voting rights act struck down by the supreme court last year. zachary roth has been covering all of this for msnbc.com. let's talk about what happened in pennsylvania and what it means forward for the keystone state. >> as you said, the judge struck down pennsylvania's strict voter i.d. law. one thing to note, it was a state case brought under the state constitution of pennsylvania which includes a right to vote. this wasn't brought under the voting rights act and as a result the impact on some of these other voter i.d. cases out there in texas and north carolina might be relatively
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limited in terms of direct impact. what the judge did say, which is important, the state had provided no evidence that this law was needed to combat voter fraud, which of course is the justification that conservatives have given for these laws. that's important as well. >> the judge also saying the state had done a pretty bad job when it came to promoting how folks go about even getting these i.ds. >> let's talk about the voters right fix. >> a group of democrats and republicans came together to introduce legislation that would fix the voting rights act. this is in response to the supreme court's decision from last june which took away a key provision of the act. advocates say they are cautiously supportive of what was unveiled yesterday. one interesting angle, it make a specific exemption for voter i.d. laws. >> want to talk about everything but voter i.d.? >> that's right.
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you can still challenge voter i.d. but it wouldn't automatically get you bailed back into oversight in the way it would if you passed a racially discriminatory law. that's the issues republicans want to go to the mat on. >> zachary roth, always good to see you. thank you and have a good weekend. we'll be right back. purina dog chow light & healthy is a deliciously tender and crunchy kibble blend. with 20% fewer calories than purina dog chow. isn't it time you discovered the lighter side of dog chow. purina dog chow light & healthy. ♪ [ male announcer ] old el paso frozen entrées. now in freezers.
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i believe critics are right to point out that without proper safeguards this type of program could be used to yield more information about our private lives and open the door to more intrusive bulk collection programs in the future. >> craig melvin, that's going to wrap it up for me. much more on the president's proposed changes next on "andrea mitchell reports." she'll talk to national security adviser ben rhodes and more with the interview with robert gates
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america's capabilities are unique. and the power of new technologies means there are fewer and fewer technical constraints on what we can do. that places a special obligation on us to ask questions about what we should do. >> right now, hold the phone, after months of leaks and diplomatic outrage over the nsa's surveillance program, the president announced key reforms to some of the most controversial spy tactics adding privacy safeguards for foreigner and private advocate in the fisa court and halting eavesdropping on dozens of friendly foreign leaders. >> the reforms i'm proposing today should give the american people greater confidence that
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their rights are being protected. even as our intelligence and law enforcement agencies maintain the tools they need to keep us safe. >> tinder box fueled by wind and bone dry terrain from a record california drought. hundreds of firefighters are battling this explosive wildfire and threatening hollywood landmarks and thousands of homes. call of duty, more of my interview with robert gates, including the handling of sexual saults in the military and his criticism of the commander in chief for what he says not doing enough to rally the troops. >> i think the troops expect that from the commander in chief. with one or two exceptions, we really didn't hear that from the president. >> and happy 50th birthday michelle obama. welcome to the club.
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