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this week voter suppression and this week the news is actually kind of good. thursday they introduced legislation that would restore some of the protections in the voting rights act that was struck down by the supreme court last year. and on friday a pennsylvania judge struck down that state's voter id law. s saying it placed a fund money tall burden on the right to vote. returning us to our traditional value of expanding the franchise rather than limiting it. every vote matters. our nation's recent experiences remind us that even a fraction of votes in a single location can have, well, history-key fining effects on national elections. so if you care who will occupy the white house after 2016, you'd better pay attention to who holds offices in the states, which means you'd better know a little something about the communities that make those states up. case in point, north carolina. the political significance of the tar heels state was

underscored when president obama visited to promote efforts to boost the manufacturing industry. it was his policy related trip of 2014. remember, north carolina is a battleground state that by a razor's edge margin went for president obama in 2008 and then turned back to red in 2012. in between, a political revolution happened in north carolina. republicans won control of both houses of the state legislature. the first time in 140 years. and in 2012, the state elected a republican governor, giving one party control to the state. now, the state's laws are among the most conservative in the country. north carolina has passed some of the nation's most restrictive voting laws, which did proportionately affect the poor and buy north carolina eliminated its earned income tax credit,

essentially raising taxes on more than 900,000 households earning less than $49,000 a year. state lawmakers also passed a law that could close most of north carolina's 16 abortion clinics. and the governor, pat mccorey, he signed the law despite his campaign promise not to approve any new abortion restrictions. but these changes did not start at the top of the political ticket. instead they started at the bottom. in 2009 in, the wake county school board election, conservative board members were elected with the support of multi-million air conservative and supermarket magnet art pope. the new board promptly eliminated a school bussing program that had been lauded as a model for school integration, and pope's work on the school board attracted national attention. by 2010, he had the attention of the conservative strategist ed gillespie. gillespie was working on his red map plan and putting state

legislatures and their redistricting duties under the republican control and art pope quickly became a key part of gillespie's efforts in north carolina. pope, the families, and the groups backed by him spent more than $2 million on general assembly races in 2010, and of the 22 races pope targeted 18 to control the legislature. pope is now north carolina's state budget director and ed gillespie anournsed this week that he will challenge virginia democratic senator mark warpene. and this state which has raised unemployment and cut unemployment benefits, he's running on a platform. you've got to listen. >> if elected i'll be a servant to the people of virginia and a leader for policies that grow the middle class and foster upward mobility, enabling people to lift themselves out of poverty. >> he did help orchestrate the

republican takeover. just as his efforts began at the lower level of american politics, so, too, has the opposition to north carolina's sharp right ward turn. the grassroots monday protest last year gained momentum every week as hundreds of peaceful protesters were arrested for occupying the state ledge law tur and demanding an end to these particular conservative policies. their next big rally is set for raleigh, february 8th. and organizers traveled to start their own moral mondays. and this week it was held at the state capital in atlanta where they urged the republican governor there to expand medicaid and on tuesday in south carolina demonstrators carried a white coffin up the state house steps to represent the people they say could die. the state refuses to expand medication. this is where the real

progressive moon movement is going to have to start. it can't come whole cloth from the mayor of new york city or the tough on senator of massachusetts. it must take root in places like raleigh and atlanta and columbia. joining me now is representative pete ellison, democratic congressman from minnesota and thea butler. nancy giles, contributor to cbs sunday morning and a writer and social writer and cade johnson. i want to start with you. before going to the u.s. house of representatives you serve in your state legislature and you write about it in your book. >> mm-hmm. >> talk to me about -- if i'm an ordinary citizen living somewhere who doesn't ordinarily watch cable news politics how important is the state ledge lay your versus the federal? >> they define voter qualifications, so we have 50 or more different ways to elect people. so like in the last election in minnesota, the conservatives put

on a valid measure that would require photographic identification card in issued by the government before they could vote and people said we could not possibly beat it but we did beat it and we beat it by a wide margin because we organized. talked to people on the grassroots and had a multitude of argument. we said it cost too much, fact wielding and had posture voting and we cobbled all of those logical arguments together and came up with a winning coalition. so let me tell you. a the state level, that's where the action is when it comes to who gets to vote and who doesn't from disinfranchisement, voter polls to number of machines, the state is where it's happening. >> that point, i want to pick up on in part because think it felt for many -- again, ordinary folks living their lives, balancing their checkbooks,

driving their kids to school it felt like suddenly in 2010 it came out of nowhere. it didn't come out of nowhere. >> exactly. what people don't realize it's almost a 50-year history of people been put in the school board, the mayor's office. the state legislature, and, you know right wing conservatives being asked to run not just because of political duty but religious duty and we'll get to that when we talk about reproductive rights. what they haven't thought about is the constructive issues. all politics is local and it is very true. all of this starts at a local level. and by the time you get to the national level, these states' rights issues, the kienlsd of things that make these structures happen have already come out of people's hands and they go what just happened.

and i'm sure everybody in north carolina is saying the same thing. >> so cayden, it dust seed to be part of the answer to what happened to north carolina. i'd love to point to art pope and say it's all his fault, all his big money. but all of it was taken over in part because the party in north carolina was vulnerable, right, to this kind of takeover to these challenges. it seems to me you all do a really good job of being profoundly organized on one message. how do you guys do that? do you have like internal memos at the meetings? is there a hash tag? what is going on with you guys? >> it started years and years ago when they contracted them in the state houses and south carolina's 16 years ahead of north carolina as far as taking over the bodies. >> taking over the bodies indeed. >> we'll get into that later. when i was chairman, i changed

from nine sheriffs to republican and then from that you go to solicitors. a lot of people think these candidates should show up. from my standpoint, you get them on record early. you find out where they are and you start elected them, and in the south, the pro-life movement is the base of a lot of these elections, and it's a proud base that i'm with, but what i'm telling you is you all show up. politics doesn't change overnight. art pope's $2 million didn't change that. what really changed north carolina is an influx of people, retires. that's one thing. the second thing that changed was national democrat politics were not matching up. i ran the last cycle in north carolina when president obama had about 42 bricks and motars in there and we put about 450 people in there fighting that fight, and what we found out in north carolina is it was different. everybody was working persuadable voters. it was the republican base we

had to go the last three weeks to because they were sitting on the sidelines. >> all right. so i love that you said we split sheriffs and the next thing you know we're flipping whole state bodies because those are those low information elections where 100 people, 200 people can make all the difference in who becomes your sheriff in new orleans. we vote on the coroner, god help us. i know. there's a lot to be said about that, right? it's a southern thing. i do want to look, though, aet the medicaid gap. you talked about who can be persuade and in georgia there are more than 400,000 people who would have gotten medicate in north carolina, more than 300,000. in south carolina, nearly 200,000 people. that looks to me like a group of people who are not getting medicaid, who could have gotten it if, in fact, their governors had been willing to defend it. if i'm a democrat i start thinking how to flip it based on that. >> exactly. we were talking about this in the green room. people voting against their own interests. i can't understood score enough

what's been said at the table as someone who considers herself bright, college educated and never really paid much attention to the smaller votes, you know, the school board, you know. i don't have children, so i wouldn't have know anything about that. the local votes. and i know so many people who maybe will pay more attention if it's a mayoral vote or a senate vote or presidential campaign, but we've got to get boots on the ground just like you're an evil genius. >> yes, yes. >> i want to incorporate everything that's being said. we've got to to make sure the people know. >> stick with me. we'll let your polite southern evil genius reign when we get back. we're gong to take a break. while we take a break we're going to listen to music inspired by it. this is my body politic by the north carolina music love army. ♪

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six months ago the supreme court struck doubt a key part of the voting rights act. the court took issue specifically with the formula with which states and jurisdictions have problematic voting rights that they need approval for any changes before they go into feegt. the justices said the formula was outdated and invited congress to create a new one. for the first time since the ruling they have created a proposal. the bill was introduced thursday by senator patrick leahy and others and o co-sponsored by civil rights leader john lewis. under the bill states that have had five or more violations of federal voting laws in the past 15 years will need clearance

from the feds before changing local voting rults. currently that would cover, georgia, louisiana, mississippi, and texas. they would have clearance if they had three violations in the last 15 years or had persistent minority low turnout for that time. the bill would also make it easier to get a preliminary injuncti injunction. within calf yacht, it specifically exempts voter i.d. laws saying the requirements are not a violation of the voting rights act and at this point does not konk north carolina which has some of the most restrictive laws in the country. this is one of those good news/bad news stories where, okay, bipartisan, i don't have to walk about with a section five forever but it also gives away the ghost with the notion that i.d. is inharmtly not part of the problem. >> i know.

what it does is it leaves it up to state judges and things like that that what just happened in pennsylvania with judge corbett having a bad day yesterday finding out we won't have to use our voter i.d. but i was thinking about texas. you can use your gun permit, concealed weapon per met but not your student i.d. card. so what kind of sense does that make? so i'm hopeful this will help bridge a little bit of a gap. i see texas being the worst of the bunch in a lot of respects but they're all equally bad but can we find enough consensus to have it voted upon in the house? that's what i'm worried about. if we don't, i think what we're going see in 2014 is a lot more people being taken off the rolls and this won't get fixed by november 2014 which will make it very problematic. >> katon, this is where i have a question. if that is what -- if that's the

issue, then i would be like well god bless the republicans because if people agree with you and you get your voters out. >> you get one more than they do. >> right. then that's what democracy is. but this is something different. this isn't about we go convince voters to be on our side. this is we suppress the voters most likely to choose the other side and that to me doesn't feel like it's healthy for democracy. >> well, the arguments are going to go on, courts are going to continue. some laws are going to be more egregious and that others and it's going to get down to whether it's right north. will there be protests on the streets? there's some. but, again, it takes a voter i.d. to get in just about everywhere. it took me one to get in here. >> you have a constitutional right to be in here. >> i don't. you invited me. you could turn me away. >> right. and then coming from my guests i actually don't have a

constitutional right to vote in that it is state by state, right? and so what i i'm wondering, given your point that there are at least 50 separate and unequal rules and procedures for voting, is it time, congressman, to have a -- an amendment to the u.s. constitution at federal level to vote for every u.s. citizen and wipe this vote away? >> yes. and mark who's from wisconsin and i have a bill to make the right to vote a constitutional amendment and we're moving it as well as we can, and think it only makes sense because we really don't live in the kind of country that was -- we had when we put this voting scheme together. things have changed in the amount of just inequality and disparity and it's just not fair. it's time in the constitution and grant a right to vote to all citizens. but i will say this.

you know. grassroots activism really is the key here. >> yes. >> and people get involved like moral mondays and it's spreading. in wisconsin people were out on the streets. in minnesota people were out on the street. i think this is democracy and i'm excited for it. >> you took me where i want to go. up next, i've got somebody from moral monday. up next. on the u.s.s. saratoga in 1982. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection. and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. we're gonna be late. ♪

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democratically majority district without a leader for at least a year. pat was asked a question about it in msnbc's daily rundown with chuck todd. >> to have basically to disinfranchise nearly a million people and not have a representative in the house of representatives, that is not a healthy thing for a year. >> chuck, i'm sworn to uphold the constitutional laws of the state of north carolina and i can't change though those laws between now and the election, and, again, i have to uphold the election laws and i made the good decision. >> joining us now from washington, d.c. is reverend william barber president of the naacp and leader of the moral monday's movement which is protesting among other things north carolina and sent a letter to pat mccrory.

thank you so much for being here. >> thank you so much, melissa. the utterly ridiculous thing is they say we can get together and actually comply with the law, you know. butterfield actually wrote the government and said we can do better than this. 700,000 people, republicans, democrats, black, white, will be left without a district representative. it's just wrong. 300 days in a time the congress will be dealing with the vra bills, farm bills and all that impacts that particular district. it took us 90 years, melissa, from 1900 to 1990 to get representation it's a crazy little district. worth looking at again. congress ellis was sitting here when we looked at how gerrymandering it was. it is legal and constitutional, but that said, you know, i guess

i'm wondering reverend barber if i went down today to a barbershop in greensboro and asked people, you know, dow you know that you live in district 12 and do you know you do not have a representative, what do people say about it? >> people are livid about it, they really are. they say that is taxation without representation, the other part of that, melissa, is if we had free clearance in place, the decision would have to be preclear. the fact is now that we don't because we're looking at the preauthorization, it makes it even more problematic. the republicans stalled on mayor watt being appointed and now governor has denied medicaid, voting rights and now he's trying to deny representation for this district. >> hold on one second. i want to come you do, nancy, because you're having a reaction. >> i feel sick. >> yeah. a reaction everyone must be

feeling. tell us what you're thinking? >> number one, how can the governor say no with a little laugh in his voice, yeah, i'm complying with the law and do not have a representative if their area, so many people hochlt suh that allowed? i mean, again, i tell you one thing that's really interesting about this president because a lot of it filtered down from that. i have learned more about how the government works on the lower, lower, lower, local, local levels than i have ever learned before and i'm shock thad this many people cannot have a representative at such a crucial time for people to be represented. >> let's listen. way. to listen to this. governor mccrory said it wasn't a crucial time. it was a couple of months and didn't make a difference. let's take a listen to that. >> my supplying important was supported by the pages of the smart lot observe and supported by three of the african-american democratic candidates who are running for mel watt's seat.

chuck, you know and i know that not much goes on in washington between july and the election. it's a sad commentary. >> reverend nelson, will you be doing something between jewuly d election? >> i think we'll be pretty busy. we are every other year. being in the district, listens to people, talking to them, holding meetings, they're doing constituent services, helping people get passports. it's all critical. this is one of the more amazing abdications of responsibility i've never seen? terms of not abdicating, mel watt's team is staying in the office to do some of that constituent service. but reverend barber, let me ask you about the other part we heard mccrory say.

they're down with the november election. we checked. that does seem to be true. why would the candidates support this timing? >> it was only permanent interest. it doesn't matter if someone wants to, you know, even stay. all of us don't want to stay in bondage. what we want is constitutional representation. so that doesn't matter. he's called to gronch for the best interest of the people, not to pick out two or three people and then decide to i pleament something that's going to cause taxation. we have the worst redistricting law since the 19th century. we've passed the worst repression law since jim crow and now section 4 is actually going to leave north carolina uncovered, south carolina uncovered, alabama uncovered. these actions are unacceptable. we happen to have an amendment.

it's sad that one day after the actual birthday of dr. king we're having a discussion about voting rights that have taken us backward add not forward. >> i want to point out for people who may not know the north carolina map. it runs in part through greensboro. greensboro is where we saw the initial sit-ins of national african-american men sitting at the woolworth's counters, chamging that. >> franklin gram -- mccain was buried just yesterday who was part of those civil rights movements. this district and the first district were carved out as a result of the voting rights act but it took 90 years. i want people to hear this. 09 years for north carolina to get representation after americans in the u.s. congress after george wright was the last one. the that's why we even got be very serious. you keep hearing the push on the

issue about this section on voter rights and what's been proposed. it is not good for us. anything that does not cover alabama, georgia, north carolina, south carolina, that gives them five chances before we can be precleared and anything that says voter i.d. is not a part of what can be used to decide is just wrong, it's backward. >> i'll tell you what, reverend barber. i've got a little time on tuesday. i think i'm going to come down to north carolina and say hey to you. rev reynolds barber, thanks so much. first when we come back, my colleague steve kornacki, he has a major development in the new jersey bridge story. local politics matter, people. ♪ driving rock music music stops ♪ music resumes ♪ music stops ♪ music resumes

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"up with steve kornacki." the mayor o hoboken told steve in an exclusive television interview why she believes her city is being denied critical hurricane sandy aid. you remember that the city of hoboken in the aftermath of the storm was 80% under the water. hoboken remains vulnerable to another storm and the reason the mayor says she's not gets the money she needs has nothing to do with not endorsing chris christie during the reelection. members warned her that her town would be starved of hurricane leaf money unless she approved a lucrative hurricane development program by the gronch. >> it's not fair because he wants me to give back to one private developer and it's important that -- i know it's very complicated for the public to really understand all of this, but i have a legal

obligation to follow the law, to bring balanced development to hoboken. i cannot give a windfall to one property owner because the governor wants me to in exchange for the sandy fund, so i'll tell you, i feel like i'm literally between a rock and a hard place. >> we should note that a spokesman for governor christie issued this statement. quote, mayor zimmer has been effusive in her public praise of the governor's office and the assistance we've provided in terms of economic development and sandy aid. what or who is driving her only now to say such outlandishly false things is anyone's guess. and "up with steve kornacki" received this statement. she say, quote, mayor zimmer's allegation that on may 16th, 2013 commissioner constable conditioned hobokehoboken's recf sandy aid on her moving forward

with a development project is categorically false. all right, steve. these are major claims. it's also very complicated. i trud to get the general idea of it. what do you see as the key issue in this moment? >> there are several things and the store line itself connects the high ranking people in christie's administration, it connected the port authority and the law firm that is run by the chairman of the port authority, david samson, chris christie's coffey dant. there's this plot of land potentially right for some type of development. this group rockefeller owns it and they're represented by wolfe and sam sochb. port authority paid for a study on redeveloping on whether this land should be declared an area of redevelopment -- it's a developer's dream to get this designation. the planning board in hoboken did ghot along with that designation, and when that

happened, the mayor of hoboken got a call from the government's office. he said the lieutenant governor pull her aside and said, listen, this is not right, this is not the way it's suppolyin supposed. if you want the sandy aid york u have to move forward on this development project. a couple of of dayers the major is doing a public event at monmouth university and the economicser of the department of community affairs is on stage next to her. she said they're both miked up waiting to go on and he makes the same skples it threat to her, linking sandy funds to this development project. >> a couple of things i want to make sure we get on the table here. there's not any allegation that the rockefeller group itself -- they just seem to be part of this but not that they

commissioned anyone to say or do this. >> that's right. there's no evidence pointing to like any kind of wrong doing right now by like david samson. what we know is his law form represents the rockefeller group. you have i'ms from people in the law firm copying them on these e-mails and writing to the people in hoboken trying to apply pressure to get people to go along with it. >> obviously this mayor is going to come under significant scrutiny about whether or not there are reasons beyond just sort of her saying, look, i'm try dog this. in part because it's national news. but this is not linked directly to the bridge scandal. why not talk about this now, tell it when it happens. how do you see this proceeding in terms of the fundamental questions that are going to be asked of her on what she's alleged her? >> i have to say just as we reviewed this, i find her credible for a few reasons.

one is people look at this nationally may say it's a democratic mayor, republican governor, he's down. there's a faction of democrats who are pro chris christie democrats. when she came to office in hoboken, she endorsed his plan. she invited him to hoboken. he was her partner in many ways. she continues to this day. we ask her about chris christie, she believes the first four years as governor, she believes there a's a lot of good things that developed. it's just that she got caught in this and this project was so important to him and there's the fgt of this diary. i mean she reported this in her diary. she shared the diary with us. you know, you've got mundane entries in the diary and then she's talking, pouring her heart

out trying to grapple with the chris christie she believed in to the chris christie making threats. >> you've got a table of folks including a republican who asks in part does this ever get hot enough that republicans are going to want chris christie to step down or open up? i think there are questions people have. stick with us a little bit longer. vicks nyquil. powerful nighttime 6 symptom cold and flu relief. ♪ diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ]

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we're back talking about the new developments and chris christie using his influence. i wanted to give you all an opportunity to ask some of the question about what we've learned. >> to start, steve, i've lived in the neighboring county to hoboken. i know and have a lot of friends there. i know how they're still struggling so i guess i would say is that why you think dawn zimmer comes out now and talks about the disparity between the money she asks for and the money she got? the town is still suffering.

>> there's one last chachblts chris christie got a second pot of money from hud, but there's run one realistic chance from hoboken that they're looking for to save itself from a future storm and it comes from this race to the top style competition that hud has. hoboken is one of ten finalists for that so it may be that this tracks the attention. we didn't have time on the air but they took me off the air. the resiliency planning that they've done, she sits on -- they have some topnotch international work in proposing the place, so they hopefully will get this grant. >> a political resiliency. so after the news broke on the bridge thing, he comes and does this long press conference and everybody's thinking, wow, he's going to survive this. >> they're talking hardball

politics in new jersey. people kind of accepted that but this is sandy. this is sandy. this is a governor who part of his political rehab goes down to the shore. hey, everybody. do you remember me? >> and we're all willing to put up with varieties of corruption. i lived in chicago, new orleans. this there is this -- when they appear to be selling a senate seat, that was kind of the end of it and you know we will send the governor in louisiana to jail. i mean so corruption and hard ball politics is one thing but like when you get to a certain level, these are still allegations that point but they do seem dmeenlly harmful. i mean this is the man ahead of the rga. if he's going to get a phone call saying you've been the head of rga -- >> one thing i can tell you about republican party politics and especially presidential

primate policies, mark sanford, he did apologize and stepped way. he didn't want it to impact politics. that's where redistricts happens, where rubber meets the road. my part is this apology -- and i talked to steve. i've listened to other people thinking this is jersey, the jersey shore. the republicans did watch him call the president in the end, which we saw was very unusual in the middle of a presidential race. we saw that as cementing his re-election. that's how i saw it. so my point is, you know, this is one more shoe to drop on this. you can apologize but you can't cover up the fact if you tell the truth and that's what's

coming up next. >> steve, this is going to be -- these are real issues. this is not like made up sort of outrage and so i appreciate your reporting and that of your team. thank you kornacki. up next, what i found so moving about this book by congressman ellison. for all the bad we've been saying there's a lot of optimism about america in this book. [ female announcer ] winter is hard on your face. the start of sneeze season and the wind-blown watery eyes. that's why puffs is soft. puffs plus are dermatologist tested to be gentle and they lock in moisture better.

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congressman ellison's mom was from louisiana. she made gumbo. she never turned anyone away. instead she added water so there would be enough for all. keith ellison says we need to do the same thing for our national policy. instead of turning people away we need to add water to the gumbo in what he calls a politics. me called his book "my country

'tis of thee," he shares his story from his detroit roots. he also outline as what the politics of generosity look like. so representative keith ellison, tell me what are the politics of generosity? what does it look like? >> well, the politics of generosity stem from the idea we all need to eat, we all need to retire, we all want to see our kids get a good education, develop our minds. our country is the richest country in the history of the world and it's never been richer than it is now and we can make sure that there is a reliable economic security for americans. >> there's enough gumbo in the pot. >> there's enough. we don't have to send anybody out. the thing is we have a politic of scarcity and the politics of scarcity is there's not enough, we have to cut head start, we've got to have trained cpis because the seniors are getting too much money. this is all driven by the idea

there's not enough, but i believe there is enough. and, as a matter of fact, there is enough. and the only question is shall we share it. so like this issue of low wages and the minimum wage, we've seen dramatic profits being reaped from our corporations, mcdonald's, walmart. they're wildly profitable and yet they pay them $7.25. $8.25. maybe if they could afford the hamburgers you're cooking. >> it would stimulate the economy. we know when poor folks have a little bit more, they spend it and it stimulated the economy. in addition to politics of jen are r ro -- generosity. i'd like to listen to the moment you signal us to here. >> september 11th changed the world. our deepest fears now haunt us.

yet i am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the united states. some of us have to say let's step back through a moment, pause, and think through the implications of our actions today so that this does not spiral out of control. >> your response? >> well, it spiraled out of control a little bit, didn't it? iraq, longer than vietnam. all kinds of domestic issues were unraveling, nsa issues to this moment that step from the patriot act that was inspired by that moment september 11, 2001. i think marblee is amazing. you the tell she's scared. if you had the pleasure of being

in her presence, she's bold, always has got a wonderful smile brks new that moment she is feeling the weak of the moment, but she -- that's courage, right? courage isn't not being scared. it's moving through your fear and barbara lee, paul wellstone, you know, these people, you know, they inspire me, you know, and that's who i want to be like when i grow up. >> we're basically out of time but i don't want to leash without pointing to a moment of courage of your own. part of the post-9/11 and that out of iraq was an anti-muslim bias in the country that was articulated more frequently and yet you in the moment of being sworn into the u.s. congress put your hand on top of thomas jefferson's koran which i see as an act of couric and reaffirmation of the people to say we can have differing faith

and have -- >> that's it. united in our belief that all americans have due process, have the rew, have equal dignity and we come from very diverse places and it's all right. the bottom line is none of the great things about america are guaranteed. we have to fight for these things. people have laid their lives on the line for them. if you look at the ref rend down there, they're laying their life on the line for them now. all i've about got to say -- i know we've got to wrap -- the pes mists are not the real lists. good things happen all the time. we were in slavery, now we're not. women couldn't vote. now they can. my point is the people of this time have got to buck up and make a better people. >> the better always happened but it only happens through struggle. to read an excerpt of the congressman's new book please stock by grio.com. coming up next, turning the

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reproductive decisions by a decision in roe v. wade. the president of the anti-reproductive rights group americans for life is quoted as sounding like she's taking a page straight out of a book. she says, we don't make frontal attacks. never attack where the enemy is strongest. pay attention here to the strategy because if you don't look closely, you might not see it until it's too late. it is a slow loss of liberty and autonomy by a thousand tiny attacks from a steady attack of policies mostly from republican-led state legislatures. more passed in the last three years than in the last two decades according to the institute. everything from trap laws that impose burdensome and unnecessary medical requirements on abortion providers that can force them out of business to attacks on health care coverage that prevent women from paying

for abopgs from using private insurance or policies purchased on the new health skparjs. even mandatory counseling that can sometimes include information that is irrelevant or misleading. that visit often followed by a 24-hour waiting period and an additional trip to a provider before that can be performed. they must first undergo ultrasounds to listen to the beat of the heart. then there are 20-week abortion plans that challenge roe v. wade up to the point of viability at 24 weeks. these aggressive policies attempt to lay bare the big picture for the final diseaecis battle. supreme court showdown to roll back the gains of roe v. wade and this week when they came knocking at the gates the court refused to let them in. a case that could have-forced them. that was this man.

that's why they're devicing a new tactical approach of their own, going in the offense against the policy fight and using the same weapon, policy to fight back. i think of it like political judo. martial arts practice that enable a smaller fighter to defeat a bigger stronger opponent using a key strategy, turning the opponent's size and strength from an asset into a liability. pro-choice america is taking all of those restrictive abortion measures and making this pledge to the governor who signed for the law. you stood for these laws, you signed for these laws. now, if you're up for re-election this year, you're going to have to run on them. this week in the magazine. the president elise hogue told the writer to, quote, force these anti-choice extremists who hold political office to actually run on and defend anti-choice records. joining me now david is.

cohen, professor of law and anthea butler. and nancy and katon dawson, former chair of the south carolina republican party. s so, nancy, self-defense tells women get on the ground, kick with your legs, don't try to go arm to arm. that's not necessarily where the strength is. that s that where the new strategy is if if you want to sign on this, run o n this. >> right. i think last year was it. we saw going on offense right and left. we saw wendy davis do that filibuster in texas and she is now soaring in her run for governor of texas. we saw albuquerque voters turn down a 20-week ban. when they got a chance to go to the poll instead of the politicians, they said, no, we don't want these kind of extreme measures. we saw the introduction in the u.s. congress, the women's

health protection act with 33 in the senate, more than 90 in the house which says we even got to stop these restrictions at the state level. your zip code can't determine whether you have constitutional rights. last years with a turnaround and it's going keep on going. >> i want to go back to the reproductive rights for a moment it feels to me, david, that the actual roe v. wade decision itself is part of what opens up and allows this possibility that the multiple trimester, the notion that there is a point in which the state has an interest. talk to me. is row a sufficient decision for us to continue to rest reproductive rights on? >> row had promised but the problem sit was cut back in 1992. casey was the supreme court case that allowed a lot more restrictions from the state. it was basically the supreme court saying that you can do things that are burdensome on women's rights as long as they're not unduly burdensome and ever since k.c., we've seen the courts and lower courting be

more receptive to infringement rights. so kc is really opened up the floodgates and with justice kennedy who's seen as a swing vote, he's seen as proving it. it's really troublesome what kc has allowed. >> so as much as we talked in the last hour in the way in which democrats can't hold themselves completely together to have a clear strategy, in the case of women's reproductive rights, i've got to say. giev tot agree with nancy, this was the moment when on the left you saw clear language, war on women. it became the framework. republicans had to address whether or not they were, in fact, committing a war on women and once you give up the framing, you start to lose. are you guys going to lose? i mean really begin to lose, if this is the central issue on which the republicans are forced to run.

>> republicans will lose in the primaries if they back up on the pro life movement. that's what will happen. it's basically in the southeast corridor where i practice my business. it's the basis that among other thing it's in every party's platform. there are pro-life democrats but they don't balance it in the ballot box. whether it be a presidential election or any other election, those are just facts. it's also -- you hear politicians and i do a lot of times when they have divisive crowds talk about the civil rights of the unborn and the civil rights and i know that that will start a whole other discussion, but this is the terminology we use. they're trying to save nine miners in pennsylvania, enormous resources to talk somebody off the brooklyn bridge and the pro-life movement didn't stand down. it will be a fight but it will

cross both parties' lines. >> stick with me. i don't want to say i disagree with you on the civil rights. actually what i want to do swhen we come back, i want to make the claim if that's going to be the discourse, if discourse is the personhood and from the beginning fertilized eggs have civilized rights, let's go ahead and do that and talk about what the civil rights of all children ought to be and weather republicans can get on that set of policy agenda. stay there. al why 35-b is so critical in the debate of rights. and holdin. it wasn't just about me anymore. i had to quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. chantix didn't have nicotine in it, and that was important to me. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix.

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years ago i accompanied a friend to end an unwanted pregnancy. i expected to hold her hand, sit with her, hug her, cry with her if i had to. what i hadn't anticipated is having to shield her as we

walked the gauntlet just to get in the door. some shouts, quietly imploring, some condemning her, trying to get her to change her mind, showing her images, all turning a woman who was seeking a medical procedure to a target. that's when i saw the vulnerability of a woman. this week these women, those whose reproductive choices are jikt to public scrutiny in abortion clinics were the heart of the case considered by the supreme court. at issue was a massachusetts law passed in 2007 to create a buffer zone. 35 feet of safe space to separate physicians from protesters. the question was whether the buffer zones were or an unconstitution intrusion into the right of free speech. for me part of working as an escort experience was going to that whole point that katon was

bridging up earlier, the civil rights and the civil rights of the unborn and i thought what about the rights of the born who are walking around, experiencing it. what about the rights of women of the children are who often existling before they make a right to determine it. do we have to push the right to respond to that? >> yeah, exactly. thing part of what's going on is we have sacrificed this one that the women making these decisions are being ignored. the whole thing about being in front of the clinic whs enyou soo e fetuses and chopped up stuff, this is a scare tactic. what was so interesting about the "rolling stone" news, we didn't get any traction this way and we changed it. this is easier. it's not about taking away anybody's free speech. when women are being accosted, you know, presented with

screaming and yelling saying you're killing your baby and all this other kai of stuff, you're impinging upon their rights as well and the people who feel so strongly pro-life they don't realize they're infringing on the rights of others who are trying to exercise their rights to do what they want to. rights go both ways. they don't go one way just because you have a primate ideology. to go back to katon's point, you say pro. the negative piece is if women can't get prenatal care, gynecological examinations, they can't get all the kind of kier they need, not to be in a position the get pregnant in the first place, then it makes it a different kind of run. it's not pro-life. it's pro you don't want these women to have a life. if you change this conversation, it becomes something else altogether and that's where i

think there's an attraction with younger women who might want to be conservative but they don't want to have to deal with this whole thing about you're going to tell me what to to with my body. >> one aspect of that, what you're saying is key. we typically think of it as the protesters versus the women seeking medical services but there's also the clinic providers. there's the doctors and the nurses and reseptember iception >> buffers are good bous they protect women seeking bafic medical care from being harassed but they ensure safety of clinical workers. we're not talking just doctors but anyone working at a clinic who suffers harassment daily and threats daily. we have to remember in massachusetts in particular there's a real history of violence. in 1994 two clinic receptionists

were murdered because they were abortion providers. that has happened to six others. most recently drchl george till never 2009. this is a real risk that people suffer through every day to get to work and to work and buffer zones don't cure the problem but they provide a space. paul hill who is one of the protesters who killed a doctor in florida stood right outside the clinic. he was able to gret close access. there was no buffer zone. buffer zones help protect people's safety. >> nancy. >> i was just going to say, they also allow if you think about it, we have a history of people who want to prevent others from exercising their constitutional right. their right to go to school, their right to vote. their right to access with respective health services and all the buffer zone is saying stand aside, let people through. you should haven't to go through a gauntless of protesters to vote, to go to school or to get health care and the people who

have to walk that gauntlet are a subset of all the women who have terminations. i just want to always point this out. that if you are wealthy and have either private insurance or have the capacity to pay individually, you can walk into a doctor's office. it is a very specific group of people who end up with this. >> that's right. and also people who are also coming to get their, you know, their -- >> their pap smears and birth control pills. again, i have protested many times in my life. of course, i support the right to express an opinion. this is just a law about not block indicating, congregating in front of the clinic. step aside, let the people through, express your opinions

peacefully. >> that feels like to me that's consiste consistent, ka in, with republican values. of course we can have differences of opinion. of course wrks know e that the position of reproductive rights is a central dividing line but your opinion doesn't, in fact, give you the right to stand there and block someone who is constitutional protected. you're exactly right. it would be my personal opinion that anybody who puts their hands on a woman at any time, i can pretty much assure you they'll go to jail almost immediately. and if that's the tactic they want to take, there's a chance we'll put them in jail. i understand the protests. but when you start inkrijing on these zones we're talking about, attacking a woman for making that decision. >> these are mostly verbal attacks, shaming and yelling and narrating and showing the images. i mean they're not -- you know

they can be attached to acts of violence but i'm not suggests that those protesters inside the 35 feet are necessarily reaching out and grabbing but you do feel when you're walking with someone, when you're serving as a guide, you put your hand over that person in part to put your head down. can you imagine going for kid dmny dialysis and you had to walk through that shaming experience? >> and massachusetts is saying everybody step aside. >> the pro and -- >> both sides. let people through. make your points to the side. the first amendment's protected but you can't congregate and block access. >> more on this when we come back. whether it's time to be on offense and what offense looks like. [ female announcer ] hands were made for playing.

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they're required to give women an ultrasound and describe the image even if a woman asks them not to. it was ruled it was a violation of free speech. why is that a violation of free speech? >> it's infringing on the door's right, saying i can treat this women and i can ensure her health and the state saying you have to do something different, then that's an infringement on that relationship and it goes beyond that, though. it's also about the state saying that we know what's best for women. women don't know what's best for women. doctors don't know what's best for women. counselors don't know what's best for women. ledge lay tors, a lot of them have never been pregnant or can't get pregnant since most of them are men. in consultation with their doctors or anyone else they're talking. >> nancy, to me the ultrasound

laws felt like they presume that women do not know what's happening. it's hard for me to tell whether they're talking sincerely or if it's about shaming you so that a difficult circumstance becomes even more difficult. but is there some reason we can't trust that women are fully moral citizens capable of making hard choices, easy choices, all kinds of choices, even this choice? >> you're right and that's what the supreme court has said again and again. there's a zone of privacy in which people can make important decisions of their lives. that's what the decision is about. who to marry, the size of your family, how yo raise your children, your religious beliefs, that's the state of the constitution. that's what the stakes are here. we make these critical decisions for ourselves. i would say -- and the judge really got this in the north carolina case. it's not even just that they're

saying that women don't know what they're doing. it's plain punitive because the north carolina law said if the woman says i don't want to see this and i don't want to hear this, she turns away, she covers her ears, the doctor is supposed to keep on yapping at her and yapping at her, and so that shows that it's not about information. it's about some kind of punitive performance that the doctor's supposed to go there, in violation of her or his ethics as well as the issues. >> your point is well taken. it's very much like a buffer zone law but in a broader sense because similarly we would not presume that if an ultrasound showed certain kinds of field deformities that one should be required to have an abortion, right? >> of course, f option. >> so the question of making difficult choices ought to be left when that buffer zone of o privacy where we're allowed to

make it with our ethics, our situation. david cohen and nancy northrop and katon dawson. nancy is sti anthea is stick around a little longer. iris carmen is going to take question on the 41st anniversary of row very wade. visit mhp.msnbc dauchl. up next, why so many women are being harassed online. [ male announcer ] celebrate every win with nicoderm cq, the unique patch with time release smartcontrol technology that helps prevent the urge to smoke all day long. help prevent your cravings with nicoderm cq.

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♪ ♪ ♪ told ya you could do it. (dad vo) i want her to be safe. so, i taught her what i could and got her a subaru. (girl) piece of cake. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. the pew research found that 73% of adults use social networking sights. facebook, twitter, instagram, the new use of our lives we use them to share inform wgs our friends, sometimes just to kill

time while waiting in line. our virtual lives are an important part of our real lives. the places where we work and learn and play and relax are increasingly mediated and affected by our online selves. behind the avatars and 140 characters are flesh and blood people. that mean as what happens online matters. and what is happening to women online should give us pause. according to the volunteer organization working to halt online abuse of the nearly 4,000 people reporting online stalking and harassment from 2000 to 2012, 75% were women, harassment of women, what was being done and not done to stop it. "pacific-standard" magazine. she was a victim of online stalking -- or maybe survivor of it.

her art cal includes several attacks she's received. they're so gruesome and so vulgar i'm nothing going to ing clue them here but they include threats of sexual assault and murder. no matter how hard we attempt to ignore it, this type of gender hear ras millionaire and the sheer volume of it, threats of rape, death, and stalking can overpower our emotional band width, take up our time and cost us money through legal fees, online protection services and missed wages. joining me today is amanda hess, contributor to pacific standard. from san francisco elon james white, managing director and host of "this week in blackness." so happy to have you all here.

i want to talk to you about this article and the response you've been getting. >> i wrote this article after i received my most recent sort of bouts this past summer and the threats were obviously distressing. it was an anonymous person on twitter threatening to come to my house to rape me, cut off my head. on the one hand, that's so completely ludicrous thoing say and probably not going to happen, but on the other hand it's so confusing when you receive threats like that because people are telling you don't worry about it, it's just the internet, it's not going to happen. others are saying it's your responsibility to track this person down and to prosecute them and some are saying if it's so bad why don't you just quit twitter. the threats are bad. what's confusing is how to deal with them. >> talking about the gauntlet the women have to walk in order to receive termination services for pregnancy, these are the

gauntlets you have to walk on when you log onto the internet. we have to keep making claim that what occurs online matters in the real world. even if you were trying to think of the segment. i thought there are going to be people who feel like, turn it off. don't go over there. stop going over there in virtual world because that world does not matter. why doesn't it matter? >> the big disconnect is exactly what you're say. there is a sense, i think especially among law enforcement and u.s. laws twha happens on the internet is somewhat a virtual reality. we see photos of our friends on facebook. i initially met amanda online. i followed you on twitter before i ever met you on the show. we increasingly network online. my career is writing online. i write for the blog and the guardians website. you can't tell us to get off the

internet and when you have people coming into your online spaces, coming into you in twitter essentially telling you you deserve to be sexually assaulted or even killed for what you're saying, that's just as intimidating as walking through a hallway at work and have somebody hiss at you through a doorway that you should be raped or killed. thing people don't fully appreciate what women reeceive online. >> elon, you and i became actual sort of friends, colleagues, following one another's work all in the virtual world before actually getting to know one another and i was saying that part of my life is over. it's so ugly in that world now that i just can't engage in the ways that i initially engaged in social media that, in fact, led to valuable, you know, professional relationships because it is so ugly there.

talk to me a little bit about how then you can begin to navigate something that is that ugly. >> i'm not exactly sure, especially with how women are spoken to. even when they say, the whole thing about, don't be there, it's a terrible idea because like for me personally, my entire career right now is based on the social media platforms that i've been using, that i use for my company, for the relationships i use. so basically you're telling women you're not allowed to have that opportunity. >> right, exactly. >> it's up fair and unreasonable and when people say that is correct it's literally just ignoring the reality of the world that we're currently living in. and so to try to navy gate things, they block it. that's sometimes not enough because if you go to an environment and you know when you go into that environment you're going to be abused, whether it's, quote/unquote,

fake or not fake, it's still abuse and you don't want to do it. heck, i don't want to log onto twitter, let alone if someone was threatening to rape me. >> absolutely. anthea, you have tweeted pretty honestly and openly about how these cyber bullies jump off the page, jump off the 144 characters of facebook or the blog commenteds and show up in your real life, that is part of the active attempt to destroy people's credibility, their capacity to have jobs, that these have very real conseque e consequenc consequences. >> yes, they do. i can say this and you know this and a lot of other academics know this. once you say something doesn't like, dhaul the provost's office and dean's office and they want to shut you up and get you off. they don't understand these are real life people. if they wanted to come up to me and say this to my face, i would

say, come on. i dare you. i think you won't say it and the university police won't let you get that close to me. one of the things we have to talk about are how other bloggers, other tweeters actually attack other people and there are sites and we all know this won by somebody who just got sold to sale communications and everybody knows who that is who'd send people to come and attack you when they don't like yo you do. 4 these are coordinated attacks. there are people who say let's go do this to this person because we want to take them down. and so what i want people to understand, especially twitter to understand, is that this service that was so great two or three years ago is now a cesspool of crap, and it's so hard to use it the way we used to be able to use sniet so i do

want to be careful that -- this isn't exclusively a twitter issue. >> no. >> and that part of -- i think as we come back, we'll talk a little bit about solutions in part because, again, i met jill on twitter, elon, and not only that, but in a world where there is so much information, i use the signaling effort. i want to follow people i disagree with, people i agree with because it's valuable to me to get that information. when i get back, we'll talk a little bit about the elusions what they look like and all the positive vaul yous of the contact. ♪ just pack them in our flat rate box ♪ ♪ we'll come to your door and return them ♪ ♪ gifts you bought but never gave away ♪ ♪ or said you liked but thought were cheesy ♪ ♪ you don't even need to leave your house ♪ ♪ we'll come and take them, easy-peasy ♪ [ female announcer ] no one returns the holidays like the u.s. postal service. with improved priority mail flat rate, just print a label, schedule a pickup,

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♪ we're back to talk about the pacific standard article, why women are not welcome on the internet. nancy, i want to get you in here. >> it's so funny. among other things, i'm a woman, i love being a woman. it's hard being a woman.

cbs pays me because they value my opinions and they love me. if your opinion isn't something that matches up with people, i'll say men for the most part because i can't believe other women are saying the same kind of things back at us, the kind of sexual violent imagery, the kind of violent attacking on how you look, how you smell, the really vicious things that just are exponentially over the top and beyond the pale, it's fascinating. as a woman, i wouldn't say something that to a man i disagreed with, but the vitriol, it's astounding. it's shocking. >> i found when those moments happen and you're suddenly being attacked, sometimes it's the one person obsessoring over you and you're getting that but sometimes it's kind of o broader sort of tidal wave of of it and i find it to be very triggering. find the very sense of -- that what we're told to do is what rape survivors are often told do, which is don't say anything

because if you say anything, right, if you push back, then you are at risk for greater violence and you are at risk that those you care and love about will be at greater risk, so you think, oh, god, i'm going to go in a corner and hide and that is the emotion of assault and rifle. >> that's sort of the paradox of writing the story to begin with. one of the important things to come out of this, it shouldn't be a problem women are dealing with on their own. there are legal institutions and technology companies that have a responsibility to mack our communities safe for women. >> is this a title 7 employment discrimination issue? >> i think it is. it's where many people work and socialize and when women are so unwelcome and harass eed out of these spaces, it has an impact

on our work lives. it's as uncomfortable of not letting someone have a seat at a diner or letting a woman into a workplace even though it may be a private company. it is gender discrimination and it's very, very harmful. >> elon, help me through this for a second. it seems like one set of laws but one of the things we love about the internet is the relative freedom of internet space but i'm wondering about turning the rules back on itself. getting other kinds of gang violence online, that also feels unproductive to me. are there ways to protect the anonymity and also ways to make the space safer for women to engage? >> i believe so. the fact is what they have to take into consideration is what

people need for their own safety. like, for example, with google+, they weren't allowing people to have an account unless they put their real name. knock acknowledging the fact that, you know what? some don't want their real names out there. the neck companies have to start looking at how this is happening, what's happening, and try to implement certain types of solutions that can actually allow for conversation because no one doesn't want conversation. that's the first thing people want. just want to stop free speech. no, everyone wants free speech but you know what? you've got to see what's being said. we're talking around women and especially let's be honest, women of color, they get the double dose of sexism and racism at the exact same time. so they have to take those things into conversation and complily shut everything off but constantly look for new and interesting ways to allow for the conversation to happen. >> we have 15 seconds here. i want to point out you made

such a stroij point. often women who make their lives in public space are not anonymous online. they're actual names and places. those who do the harassing are quite anonymous. think there's something we should do to change that imbalance. >> right. the people who are saying the internet isn't real, it's easy to say that if you're in a basement hiding or a police officer who doesn't want to take a report. it's difficult to know how to approach that. on the one hand, police officers don't have all the resources and technology. i think what you're saying is they're extremely male dominated. we look to tech companies to innovate, to sort of bring us things that we never could have imagined and so i think we can ask them to bring us solutions

on this problem as well. >> to address this asymmetry with the resources. amanda, anthea, elon, who just prove add point that virtual relationships exist. up next, we're going make a happy moment at the end of this toe. 212-year-old bow tie mogul. my foot soldier joins me live. you're not going want to miss it. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'.

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white ties, as costs, bowties, silk knit ties. whatever the type of tie, men's neck wear is usually reserved for special occasions and uniforms or the office. but our foot soldier is designing bowties that aid his community and make formal wear fashionable anywhere, even on the playground. 12-year-old mo bridges launched his bowtie company, mo's bows in 2011, after his great grandmother, a seamstress for 60

years, taught him how to sew. the sixth grader uses his $80,000 company to sell one of a kind bowties and change the lives of other children in his community. for the past three years, mo has had one bowtie a year called the go mo summer camp bowtie. proceeds from the sale of that tie go to a scholarship fund that sends memphis kids to summer camp. where, as mo says, they not only get to have fun, they get to have a meal. this week, mo is launching the 2014 go month mo scholarship bowtie. joining me now is the 12-year-old ceo of mo's bows, and his mother, engineer mika morris. so nice to have you with us. >> hello. thank you for having us. >> hey. >> hey, mo. so tell me about the tie you're wearing. is that this year's go mo bowtie? >> yes, it is this year's go mo bowtie. and i want to wish you a happy new year and thank you for having me on your show. >> oh, thank you. i appreciate the happy new year.

now, tell me, you started this business at 9 years old. what made you decide to start a business? >> well, i started business because i really like to dress up, and i couldn't find any other bowties i really liked. so i reached out to my grand mother and she showed me how to sew. after that, when i was out, people would say hey, i like that bowtie. and that was the demand for my business. >> ms. morris, whenever i see young people who are doing amazing things, almost always, there is an adult who actually listened to them and supported them. so when you have a 9-year-old coming to you and saying, first of all, i want to learn to sew, and i want to learn to sell, how do you make that subsidies that this isn't just a side item, this is something to really support your child in? >> well, actually, melissa, the fact that mo has always been -- when i allowed him to dress himself, he chose to wear a suit and tie. so on a saturday going to the grocery store, i am in flip flops and a dress or something.

and mo is in a complete suit. so i knew there was a sense of style and a sense of fashion early on. so i was not surprised when he said, hey, i want to start a business, and i want to sell ties. i thought that was just perfect for him. >> now, mo, starting a business is one thing. and having a sense of fashion is one thing. but you also decided to start the summer camp scholarship. that's something else. what made you want to give back? >> well, you know, melissa, i figure, why not help a kid? because kids are fun, and they're cool. you just have to -- you have to be generous. because -- and i also like to give back to my community at the same time. >> i love that. so what happens at that camp that is valuable? why do you think of camp as an important place for kids to go? >> well, i figured that if i went there, then other kids will like it, because i liked it. and, you know, it's hot and kids

just need to go swimming and be a kid. and it's also -- it's also the highest at child hunger in memphis. and -- because kids need a meal, and they don't have a meal in summer, so i figured that if they go to summer camp, then they can have a meal. >> i love all of that. one last thing i want to ask you. my grandmother was a seamstress. and my mother is wonderful at sewing. there's such important parts. tell me about your relationship with your great grandmother. how has she inspired you? >> well, my grandmother inspired me, because she -- she taught me how to sew, and she like -- she was -- she -- everybody will come to her and i used to grow up playing in her sewing room and i saw these really cool fabrics. and so i asked her how to teach me how to sew and she did. >> jermika morris, i want to thank you for being a mom who has stood up behind that young man and made sure he could be

his full self, because he is pretty amazing. and thank you to mo bridges for that fashion style, for that sense of generosity and for that business acumen. i can't wait to see the multimillionaire magnet you're going to become and the good you're going to do in the world. that's our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. tomorrow morning, 10:00 a.m. eastern, cc mcdonald will join us for her first interview. and you're not going to want to miss that. right now, time for a preview of "weekends with alex witt". >> problems with the west virginia water supply are not over. there is more contamination, but is it spreading? details ahead. the fbi is now searching for missing wall street journal reporter last seen in new jersey, but his credit card may have been used in mexico. the man who made the winning bid last weekend to hunt an endangered african rhino is receiving death threats from people on facebook.

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