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kristen welker is live with the latest. karen, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, just a terrifying among here for shoppers and employees. it started just after 11:00 this morning. that's when shots were fired out. police got multiple oftphone ca about those shots being fired. they responded to the scene and found three dead bodies they say, on the floor on the second floor. that store has been identified as zumis, a skate boarding shop. one of the dead was the shooter,

the second victim was a man and the third was a woman. police save they did find a gun near the body of the suspected shooter, however, they haven't identified what type of weapon it specifically was. police do not believe there was a second shooter. in order, they don't think this is an active scene. still, they are here investigating it. it certainly is an active investigation. we have been speaking to people who heard the shots fired, employees who work at some. stores here inside the mall. they describe it as a terrifying morning. they say once the shots were fired out, they locked the doors to their stores, many of them shelt nerd pla sheltered in place, huddled with shoppers. it took more than an hour and a half. you can imagine some of the

terrifying moments that they went through while waiting for the all clear from police. one shopper said she heard five shots fired this morning. i also want to update you on the people injured this morning. according to the local hospital here, howard county general hospital, four people were injured that they know of so far, three of those injured during the course of the events as they unfolded, one person we believe was shot in the foot. all of them are listed in good condition. so that is one piece of positive news that has come out of this otherwise very tragic situation, an all-too-familiar scene, a shooting at a maul, really terrorizing and terrifies people who came here on a saturday morning who came to go shopping and spend time with her families. i spoke to one woman who said it put things in perspective for

them and made her appreciate her family more. >> i've actually been to that mall and gotten my car fixed at the sears behind you. 11:00, that's prime time. are they confident they've evacuated all of the potential shoppers? >> i think they're still in the process of evacuating, karen. it is an important point, this mall was full. police haven't given specific numbers about how many people were here and how many people were in that support specifically, but they say you can just imagine it's a saturday morning. people were out, people were shopping. this was certainly a very full mall at the time. so you can just imagine the ripple effects throughout this community. as you point out, it's about 40 points outside of washington, d.c. so it's certainly something that is going to resonate with

many people, not only in this community but in the nation's capital, as we watched the investigation get under way. again, we're waiting for police to come out momentarily to update us on the very latest that they know about in situation. can i tell you i've just been walking around the grounds of this mall. there are still a lot of police, state, local and philadelphia officials to get to the bottom of exactly what happened and how this could have happened here. >> from what i understand, the police were actually able to get on the scene fairly quickly. there's also been a lot of praise for the cooperation between the various agency. >> right. and police held a news conference at about 1:00 this morning and they made that point very strongly, that there was a rapid response to the phone calls that they received, which started coming in just after 11:00 a.m. there was a rapid response and they got here, tried to calm people down as much as they possibly could, and

found the three dead bodies and then got the investigation under way as quickly as possible, first making sure, though, that there wasn't a second shooter in the mall. in a a point we want to emphasize. police do not believe this is an active scene right now. they don't believe there is another shooter. ne believe that the shooter is one of the three deceased here at the mall and, again, a lot of questions about what would cause someone to carry out such an act and those are some of the questions that police are trying to answer. but, yeah, there was a very quick response and three people killed in a mall that is full, some people say as tragic as this morning was potentially could have been worse. >> and, kristen, is there any sense in terms of the four that are injured and have been taken to the local hospital, any sense if there's a relationship between those four and the three killed on the scene? >> there's no indication that there's a relationship between

the people who were injured and the people who were killed, but police have not spoken to the identities of the victims, to their relationships with each other or to their relationships with the people who were injured. s so those are certainly some of the big questions that we are going too ask howard county police when they begin their news conference, which again we anticipate will get under way momentarily. but certainly those are a lot of the questions that this community would like to have answered. certainly a lot of the questions that we are going to be asking when this news conference starts. >> and we expect that news conference to start any time now. question, on a situation like this, you also -- you mentioned you were talking to people who were kind of walking around. give us a sense of the mood there. you mentioned people are traumatized. folks who come out of the mall, what's their mood right now? >> i spoke with one woman,

karen, and it's a really important question. she was shaking still. to be clear, it is cold but i interviewed her inside a bus. she was about to be evacuated. you could see the terror on her face. she said to me that the shock was starting to wear off, that the reality was starting to set in. you could sense that she was holding in tears and she is the person who told me how thankful she is for the fact that she made it out alive. she heard the gunshot go off. she said when she heard those gunshot, she didn't know if she would ever see her loved ones again. it is a terror i think you can't understand unless you live through it. and just looking at her, you could see in her face just how terrorized she was. and that will probably live with her forever. she is one. employees who works in this mall. he said i came to work, i just wanted to come to work, never imagining that something like this would happen to her.

so this is a community that is quite rattled, karen, and that will be for quite some time. you can't say it enough. you just don't ever think it's going to happen to you. that is certainly the sentiment we're hearing today. >> and certainly it's the last thing you're thinking about on a saturday morning when you're headed out to the mall to run your errands. are police questioning people on the scene? i thought i heard earlier they were trying to take them to a warmer place, a waumer location as they were conducting their investigation. >> that's my sense, that they are taking certainly the employees, some of the witnesses to a warmer community center nearby so that they can continue to question them in a warmer, certainly friendlier environment. and i anticipate that that will go on throughout this evening. and, karen, this mall is going to be closed at least through tonight. we haven't gotten word on when it's going to reopen.

so in terms of the police investigation, that's just getting under way. and that is something that is going to go on throughout the financial certainly. karen. >> i want to bring in nbc law enforcement analyst jim cavanaugh from nashville. jim, talk about the left. security you would normally see at a mall of this size. crowded, saturday morning shoppers. what would it be like? >> usually it's just some security officers who might walk the mall in uniform, sometimes they're outside in cars pup know, we've seen them with green lights on their cars, orange lights. in some malls, in some towns they actually hire off-duty police, uniformed police to walk in the mall. and a lot of the cities, you know, put a foot patrol in the mall. that's where our citizens are and that's where we live every day, at the old city street with the old beat cop is hard to beat sometimes because they're present and there and walking. >> jim, i'm going to have to

interrupt you. the presser is going on. we'll come back to you. >> we ask everybody to stay with you are and not to pass behind the yellow tape. we want to leave the area behind the speakers as clear as possible. we're asking you not to come around the speakers were cell phones and cameras. please try to stay to the sides and to the front of. speakers. another order of business, we've gotten approval from the mall, anyone who needs to leave trucks here tonight with plans to do a live shot in the morning is welcome to do that. we don't anticipate another live briefing this evening, but you should stay following social media, twitter@hcpdnews. and we'll hear from our county executive bill alman and chief of police big mcmahon. >> thank you. thank you all for being here once again. my deepest thank yous go out to our men and women in law

enforcement who arrived on the scene within two minutes of the first call that we got to 911 and did not wait to go into the mall to do the things that they're trained to do. both our tactical team and patrol officers. these are the kinds of things that unfortunately in our nation our law enforcement train on and are prepared to do and they did exactly what they were trained to do. both our folks here in howard county and all of our neighboring partners from many counties throughout maryland, the state police, federal partners. as you can tell, the mall, you saw a lot of folks come out of the mall. the mall has been cleared. this took a long time because if you imagine how many rooms there are in the mall, how many back offices and rest rooms and dressing rooms and nooks and

crannies in the mall, the tactical teams went through every inch of the mall and it has been cleared. as you know, the mall will not be open the rest of the day and evening. i want to thank the folks of the columbia mall for being so cooperative in working with us. our folks have been here before to train with the mall security folks. they know how to react to incidents like this unfortunately. everyone did exactly what they were trained to do. i also want to give a very large thanks to our community at large. there were a lot of people here they columbia mall saturday morning at 11:15. this was a very scary incident. the chief is going to walk through the details again. this did happen at a store on the second floor that is above the food court. so there was a lot of discussion about the food court. there was a lot of people very close to where this happened.

i just want to thank everyone for their patience, folks sheltering in place, being vigilant, doing what their instincts told them to do. this is a very, very large crime scene. people are being incredibly patient in working with us. we are an incredibly safe community in howard county in columbia and we're an incredibly strong and caring community and the outpouring of love and compassion that i've seen today through tragedy really warms my heart. land lastly, i just want to extend my deepest condolences to the victims today. the chief will walk through more of the details but we did have a loss of life here at the columbia mall here today and our thoughts and prayers go out to those who lost loved ones and family members. now i'd like to bring up chief of police bill mcmahon and thank

him for his leadership during this very, very difficult few hours. >> thank you. and thank you members of the media with your patience with us. as can you imagine, this is a very rapidly evolving situation. even as i i am providing you updates, there are rapidly providing updates. i just want to echo the exec's comment, our hearts, the men and women of the police department, our hearts go out to the families of people who lost their lives today. that shouldn't happen in the mall and unfortunately it happens in our society and we have to deal with it. so there are two, three families grieving and our best wishes and prayer goes out to them. as you know, about 11:15 this morning, we received a number of

calls for a shooting at the columbia mall. it took place on the upper level where the food court is, in and outside of a store called zumis, kind of a skate boarding shop. we were able to get officers there within two minutes. based on our experience, they were into the mall quickly. they were able to locate three people deficienciesed from gunshot wounds. i want to clear up something because it's been circulating to some of the media that this has been reported by some as a domestic-related incident. we have no knowledge about that yet. it's been attributed to some sources, i'm not sure where that information is coming from. the howard county police department has certainly been supported by a number of

agencies in responding to this, but the howard county police department is investigating the shooting incident and we do not know yet what caused the shooting incident. any attribution of this being domestic related or something else is purely speculation. we will share things as quickly as we can with you. again, three deceased, including the shooter. one of the deceased is the shooter and the other two are an adult male and an adult female, both employees of the store. we are making notification and want to do that as quickly and sensitively as we can. the shooter, when the officer

approached, he was obviously deceased but also still had a large amount of ammunition on and about him. because of concerns about any other weapons he may have or explosives, we are approaching this with an abundance of caution and we are getting assistance in some of our federal partners in making sure there are no explosives on the body of the deceased. that's being done now. as that process is resolved, we will work more intently on identifying who that sooter is. when we know that, perhaps we'll be able to have a better idea of what the motive is. the speculation about it being domestic related is clearly that, speculation. we don't have a motive for the shooting. the weapons used is a shotgun, i do not have any other information about that.

we're about five hours into our investigation, which is not a lot of time, frankly. so i appreciate the questions and i appreciate the concerns, we have those questions as well and as soon as we can get tomorrow ththem to you, we will. there are five other people treated at howard county general. one was a gunshot wond. the other four are either medical conditions or twisted ankles, things like that, as people were moving away from a very chaotic and dangerous situation. i'm not sure how many hundreds of thousands of people in the mall saturday at 11:15, but you can imagine how many there were. many left. our teams have been assisted by

s.w.a.t. teams. we have been our time going through the stores, making sure there were no more victims, no more suspends and getting those who sheltered in place, getting them out. and then going through the process of identifying people who may have witnessed the shooting. and those people who witnessed the shooting, we are having further interviews conducted by our investigators. a so again, a lot going on. we are doing our best to answer your questions as quickly as we can. again, still very fluid, still evolving, still dynamic. please stay on our twitter account and we'll answer questions as quickly as we can. >> i was wondering if the surveillance video showed any

altercation or -- >> that's what our investigators are looking at now. again, we had security, safety concerns about the mall so our investigators have not been in the mall since 11:00. they're getting in there and reviewing that footage now. the folks at columbia mall and their team, who we work with on a daily basis have been helpful in letting our review -- >> how can be so confident it's not a domestic incident in. >> i didn't say it's not a domestic situation. it may be a domestic situation. but somebody has reported from a federal law enforcement source that that's what it is. i'm telling you we cannot con four -- confirm that. we've got a tremendous amount of support from allied agencies and we appreciate that help but in terms of information about the shooting tfls that, will come from us.

>> there was a witness who said that he was in the store at the time and said the shooter came out of the back of the store, the fitting room. >> we've heard that report, too. and we're trying to drill down on what did happen. >> reporter: can you expand on the ammunition was found on him? >> i can't. it was just reported to me he had a large amount of ammunition. we're letting our partners that deal with explosives deal with that so when we have more information -- >> reporter: -- >> i'm sorry? >> reporter: do you have anything information about others around the mall were shot at? >> no, i don't have any information. it seem to be very contained to that store and just outside -- >> reporter: the shooter was a

male? >> yes. >> reporter: can you share the race? >> i don't know. >> reporter: how many people were in the store at the time? >> i don't know. >> reporter: is it believed that this shooting happened both inside and outside. >> we have victims that were found inside and just outside the store. again, the dynamics of where they were, i don't know. look, i appreciate all these questions and i appreciate your patience with me. the questions you're asking, i think doesn't know the answer to yet. our focus for the last several hours since the shooting has been the treatment of those that were injured, making sure that all those people that were huddled inside the mall being sheltered got out safely. we're now going through the investigative process, finding out answers to all those questions you're asking. i'm sensitive to it, i appreciate your desire to know and i have those questions as well and we'll get back to you as soon as we can on those. >> reporter: did the shooter take his own life? >> we were just watching a live

press conference from officials in howard county, maryland, the site was the mall and it left three people dead and fire others injured. jim, what kind of protocols would there be in terms -- for a mall like this in terms of evacuating people? >> well, the police department's practice of evacuating large facilities like this and tactical commanders are very good at that. i hope the journalists understand that journalists are ahead on the questions of the investigative activity going on. the chief has reached a static point where they believe that the shooter is dead, like live suicide since they know that the police didn't fire any shots and there's three dead people and a gun there so they know that. so they go into status mode and

basically what they want to do is get everybody out safely. you can see from the way he's talking he's more, rightfully so, making sure they're protected, is there a bomb on the person, he talked about his partners, he'll have fbi, atf, making sure that's safe and then he'll get everybody out. that's where he is. >> i noticed he mentioned out of an abalanceds and of caution, as he put it, because the shooter is it had ammunition, there was a possibility there my be explosives. i guess they're now checking the body to figure out in there are indeed explosives. and i would assume the next step is to start to look at things like the video footage and try to recreate the scene and such? >> you're right. what's simultaneously going to go on as well, though, is

they're going to go to the shooter's house with a search warrant and you're going to see a methodical search there also by bomb disposal. you remember the aurora theater where the shooter had rigged his apartment to explode. >> right. >> so people are suicidal. this shooter, from all the facts, we know, was suicide sal so he might have done something in his home. so the police will be there. they want evidence of what's happened. they want his computers, his papers. so you can understand that the chief of police, who i think is doing a great job here -- you know, he's the guy responsible. it's like churchill said, anybody can plan a war and run it in they're not the one responsible. when you're the one that's responsible, the commanders there, they've got to go through

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we're continuing to follow breaking news out of columbia, maryland. we'll bring you the very latest developments as they come in. for now, we're going to get back to politics because it's been a very busy week for the gop. >> just when you thought the republican parties' open antagonism toward women and their reproductive organs could not get any more hostile -- >> to grunt something so retro and -- >> the democrats want to make them believe they're helpless because they cannot control their libido without help from the government. >> i can vouch for his total

decemberen en decemberence -- decency as a person. >> i use the word libido because i don't think there's anything wrong with the libido. >> mike huckabee isn't even running for anything. he has a tv show on fox news. >> with the year of the republican reboot behind them, the republican national committee wrapped up on friday and reince priebus tried to say things are different at the rnc. >> we set out to close the digital divide and engage with

voters of all backgrounds. >> but it was former governor mike huckabee whoi illustrated just how far they've come. >> if they believe the women cannot control their libido without the help of the government. women need to stand up across america and say enough of that nonsense. >> so the war on women is about controlling our libido. got that? so much for changing the words they use. this comes at a time when both parties are talking about poverty and economic inequality,

the rnc approved a resolution to appeal a law to end offshore tax dodging by millionaires and balance mayors. the rnc voted to shorten their nominating process but still no recognition that their calendar was not the problem. great to have you all, gentlemen. >> good to be here. >> i want to with you because you wand to make mention of an incident that occurred in south carolina yet. >> sure, sure. we had a horrific accident at south carolina state university. brandon robertsson was a football player, engineering student, paying his own way through school, he was shot and killed yesterday.

m mental illness is creeping in our malls and universities throughout the country. we ask for the thoughts and prayers especially of our alumni across the country. the president and staff at this university, faculty, all need all your thoughts and prayers because it was a horrific event of a young man with a bright future at south carolina state university. >> our prayers are with you. >>. >> is there any sense about how people are feeling about the meeting? reince priebus tried to make indications that things are different but there's a lot of evidence to the contrary. >> the party is very much in the early stages of an internal debate about where the party goes from here.

certainly i met with more than one republican who was morified after huckabee's speech and saying why is this man becoming the face of the party at a time we're trying to talk about how we move forward. at the same time there were some changes that happened at lower levels. one remarkable thing passed a resolution saying the nsa spying program is unconstitutional. this is a program that for years through the bush administration were supportive of. so you do see the rnc moving a little bit. the mechanics of politics and campaigns are important but fundamentally what the republican party needs to figure out is what its agenda is, what its big ideas are and we're still at the early stages of that debate. >> michael, some of the headlines coming out of the rnc meeting probably not what folks

were hoping for. a.p. said rnc showcased while losing image remains. reuters: republican strategy for 2014 looks similar to 2012. so how can your party make the argument that they are updating their ideas, changes the way they're doing things, trying to do a better job at doing outreach to people when you've got huckabee offending women and you've got, you know, reports suggesting that nobody heard anything new. >> well, yeah, that's the problem. what's new? what is the new part of this conversation? >> i'm asking you. >> well, i know you are and i can't answer the question because i'm not the man at the helm who's directing the victory. i did that in 2010. so the fact of the matter is it's a new day, new leadership, they have another direction he want to go in.

a lot of things put in place to reach out to the vast majority of americans and to not have conversation about libido but about job and health care were there. they were dismantled. so now they're starting in a different space and i think that -- and it's hard to answer that question when, as it's been noted, you're in this internal discussion about who we are and what we believe. at that time that an battle between the establishment and grass roots between the eastern republicans and the rest of the country, all of that will get worked out in this cycle and the upcoming 2016 cycle. >>. >> what do you make of the changes? the length of time was not the problem. there were more problems with the candidate himself. >> well, michael and i have had this information before about the calendar and historic nature

of our republican conventions and they've turned into more of a beauty contest and advertising show than they have a nominating procedure. so the move ment of the day is beneficial us and our candidates. i've always said waiting all the way to the very last to get everything set up and in the right place for the candidate who gets the not nak is probably not the best thing. moving it up to july is probably a good move. second of all, the tone and tenor of the republican party is something that concerns both michael and i as people who have lbd people and -- when they are talking about birth control pills and not pink slips, we're probably losing. >> coming up, despite what mike huckabee says, the war on women is real and it's about a lot

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now it's unlikely that mike huck baep's theory about the war on women really be an effort by democrats to control the women's libido will be in the training manual for candidates this fall. >> instead "the republican national committee will support republican pro-life candidates who fight back against the democratic deceptive war on women." game on for round two in the gop war on women. >> i should mention i serve on the board with elise, who is our

president. what struck me about the comments this week, 41 years after roe, the conversation is not just that it's 7 out of 10 americans support roe v. wade, i think this decision about women under siege is about a lot more than abortion care. it's about jobs and it's about child care. that's what it misses out on there. >> it's about a fundamental understanding by the conservatives that these are all the same issue to us. it about the very american idea that we are free to make autonomous decisions about our destiny and our access to abortion care and family planning is integrally linked with our economic and job security. and more and more when middle

class is dependent upon income. what we hear over and over and over again from the conservatives is not on does that not matter, but they actually don't want women anywhere outside of what they view as the -- our traditional role in society and that just doesn't match with common american experience anymore. >> right. >> clearly they think this is going to be a winning issue for them. you wrote there's some good news in terms of pro-choice legislation getting passed and at the state and things happening at the local level. tell us the good news first and then we'll talk about the bad. >> the bad news is we are feeling the pain of what's been a decades-long strategy by the extreme minority in this country to impose their morality on us through state legislature.

the good news is that the country is waking up and saying who are you guys, why do you think you have the right to make decisions for me and my family and the country is mobilizing. the pro-choice majority in this country is mobilizing at the ballot box like they did for mccall i in 2013, and at the ballot box in albuquerque and with their cash, despite what eric eriksson wants to say, she's a national hero. >> you wrote an interesting piece in looking at what role the media may have been playing in the conversation about abortion care. and you noted a couple of specific examples. you talked about texas and you talked about -- and this something that ilyse and i have talked about how the right made gossling the face of abortion when he is absolutely the pos

sit of that. >> absolutely, karen. media have allowed activists to push myths about reproductive health that are damaging to women's rights. in texas, they passed laws that limit akes to these specialty medical procedures. it was after the law was passed that it turned out that things like unsafe clinics certainly weren't true. and with kermit gosnell, they allowed this criminal to become the face of abortion in america. and that can be dangerous, particularly in more mainstream immediate kbrap. >> and as you and i have discussed previously, that was what happened with gosnell. that's what happens when people don't have good access to health care.

>> absolutely. we're sadly seeing it in the rio grand now. if you want a kermit gosnell every every city in this country, you put up restrictions to abortions. when abortion is illegal, the number of abortions do not go down. the number of death goes up. that's not the country we want to see. >> we have to leave it there. thank you to you both. ahead an entire region of the country in economic despair as it also contends with undrinkable water. that's coming up. [ female announcer ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose...

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everybody has an identical income. that's not the united states, that would be the twilight zone. >> when the federal government tries to equalize outcomes, we're all going to be equally less well off. >> are those who earn a learning and then the other 47%, the lazy contenders. when it comes to poverty, the gop decided they don't need to change their talking points. 60% of the americans believe the united states economy as we know it is unfair and favors the rich. okay, that's something we can all agree on. but what should be done? if you're a republican, a third think the government should do nothing about it. and look a little more closely at the numbers and you'll see among republicans, more than half think that people are poor because they don't work hard

like the 1 percenters do. right, they're lazy. the next time you see a coal miner, walk to him and call him lazy. no? in as one west virginia resident told think progress this week, "if you keep people poor, you keep them desperate." it's that desperation that lead them to to accept the dangers.

joining me now, joe madison and matt watson. thank you to the both. let's take a look at this pew poll. when you take a look at issues like lowering taxes on the wealthy and corporations to reduce poverty, 59% of gop think that's a good idea. 17% of democrats don't agree with that idea. i don't know that that's what that says. government said to poor does more than harm than good. lack of effort is to blame for being poor. that to me does not reflect the reality that we sao in a state like west virginia and in communities like the one around the elk river. >> and what basically happens and i think i've read where

there have been three spills similar in the last five years and people are so desperate that they're concerned that regulation becomes overregulation and they end up in essence giving up safe drinking water in order to keep jobs because ethey think that the companies will move out and take their jobs. so they trade safe drinking water for jobs and the water will eventually kill them. and then the sad thing is -- the really sad thing is this whole -- this whole thing of you act as if all of this just started. we always had to fight coal companies, coal mining companies, company stores, people were paid loaf wages. you know, they fought wars in appalachia over having livable wages. >> you know, matt, i want to get in you here. one of the tensions i think that certainly for those of us who

don't live in west virginia, we look at a space like a recent spill and say how can there possibly be there isn't a need for more regulation or effective regulation, the pushback from the community is but this is a source of jobs, a source of incomes so that tension never works its way out. >> i'm going to push back a littlon what was just said. we did pom p some polling a few years ago and people really care about their drinking water here as much as anywhere in the country. it's not where people are at. everyone wants clean drinking water and nobody is prepared to sacrifice it for anything. it's l elected officials. when we talked about the people actually representing these communities, that's darch story and that's where money and politics get into the mix. so, yeah, we see elected representatives making some very

iffy decisions here and not really standing up for what i think is a clear desire of people to have clean drinking water. >> actually, there was a -- in west virginia, lita shepard, who runs a teen group, she made a point that the kids are not strangers to not be able to drink their water and one of the girls said she was taking a shower of it anyways. so there does seem to be a complacency or acceptance from some in the community. >> i think that's a fair point. the drinking water problems in virginia did not start two yeeks ago and they're not going to end when national media focus turns to other issues. this has been going on for a really long time. the coal industry really is at the center of this. they've been responsible for polluting people's ground water and a lot of the surface water here where just like the elk river, one of the questions that hasn't really been focused on is

why are -- why are 1 out of 16 west virginians getting their water from this one intake? so that is true. >> unfortunately, we have to leave it there. thank you matt watson and joe madison. >> that does it for me. keep it here as we follow the developments on the shooting in columbia, maryland. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. today we're going to play a little game. which 4g lte map has the most coverage? this isn't real difficult... pretty obvious to me. i'm going to have to say verizon. verizon. that's right!

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