i think my parents would be happy about this. i suppose the parents of the bride would be elated if they didn't have to flip the bill. >> weddings are expensive. >> best idea ever. oklahoma rejects all track up. there is a plan. >> i like that plan. can we show your ring finger really fast? she has a boo boo. >> i'm never getting married. >> not now anyway. "morning joe" starts right now. thanks. >> thanks. ♪ he's a people hey hey hey yeah woo ♪ ♪ who's got the ball it's in my pocket. very cool.

good morning, everyone. it is monday, january 27th. did y'all stay up and watch that? >> some of it. >> i watched it this morning. i saw that yokoo cut away. >> we are all old. my daughter kept me up. msnbc and "time" magazine, senior political analyst mark halpern is with us and host of msnbc politics nation and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton. >> you stayed up and watched it? >> i did. i was a little dizzy at that point. >> riere. >> ringo sang "photograph." >> beyonce at the beginning. hard to miss. >> ringo singing "photograph."

and then singing "my house." >> she puts on a show. >> she is really talented. >> luckily, it's her husband. >> i wish they would do a good job. >> if you want to have a wardrobe malfunction with your husband, do it in your room, not while mika's kids are watching. >> miley cyrus twerked -- >> she twerked her husband. >> i don't know. she is so talented. why do you have to do that? come on now. >> i don't get it. >> my daughter. i was like -- >> they had a huge -- >> robots. >> robots. >> you told me about fun. the band? they were good.

i'm going to stop trying to talk and this is mike lee trying to do sports. >> reverend, you could hold a candle to the godfather. >> that is true. i used to go some times to the grammys with him and none of them hold a candle to him. he used to tell me that every night! >> we will have more on this coming up. >> i love it! >> he remind me of that. >> he reminded you of it? >> yeah. >> good! let's do what we do at the 207 of the somehow which is news. twm night president obama will driver his state of the union address and despite a full-court press by his administration, it appears the president continues to struggle with obamacare. a news poll finds 37% approve of his handling of the health care law. 59% disapprove, down from the beginning of 2011 when 43%

approve fed law. 63% have little can confidence in his ability to make the right decisions about the country's future. 37% say they have confidence in the president which is significantly higher than republicans in congress. 80% of americans do not have confidence in the gop including 36% of self-identified republicans. overall, 27% have faith in democrats in congress. 72% do not. as far as overall approval goes, 46% agree with what the president is doing in office. 50% disapprove, a new low for the president heading into the state of the union. it is also close to president bush's approval ratings entering his sixth year in office and notably lower than presidents clinton and reagan. >> mark halpern, you looked through all of these. the warning signs, obviously, for the president the health care law still unpopular and his handling in the 30s and very low

and very low for confidence in the direction the president is heading in his ability to make the right decisions for the country. that is also in the 30s. very bad news for the president. you look at the republican numbers. 80%, 80%, 4 out of 5 people surveyed do not trust the republican party right now. they are not winners in this poll but president obama at 46%, the overall number, i'd say in these days, that is pretty solid. >> given what -- >> given what it's been through. >> 46? >> you dig inside those numbers, though, and a lot of very disturbing numbers for him and, again, i keep going back to that 80% for republicans. that is just about as bad as it gets. i don't know that i've ever heard of any party being held in such low esteem at 80%, don't have confidence in them. >> it's hard to get that high even if you try. >> for a political party that has dominated the political

landscape for, you know, a good chunk of the past 50 years easeme. >> look. 46% is a great floor to have given the circumstances, i think the president is poised if he has a good week and couple of weeks he is poised to get back to 50 which is pretty good. he has to find way to have the national conversation in terms of his own agenda and the midterm about something besides health care. it has got to be about something else. you look what is he planning to talk about in the state of the union i don't see anything obviously to replace health care. >> willie, it's not going to work for him, they can say all they want to say. i'm saying the same thing to them that i said to ted cruz and the republicans on the government shutdown. you could be we had to defunding obamacare. as much as you want to be wed to it go back to 2009 and 2010 the

approval ratings in the 30s a good bit of that time and they got wiped out in the 2010 midterm elections and risk getting wiped out in the 2014 midterm election if they keep forcing about a health care plan that the americans don't like. they don't like it. shoot the messager all you want. 36% approve the president on the healthy. >> in an election year you'll hear about obamacare. it is not a winning formula for most democrats. what does the president do tomorrow night at the state of the union to lay out not just this year but the rest of his three years? he has lot a lot of his presidency left, a long way to go. if you look at a year ago he was in the mid-50s. it was about a month after newtown and a feeling something big would happen on gun control. that didn't happen. syria got in the way. the health care rollout got in the way and that is where he is now. how does he sort of restart this

presidency? >> i think several things. i think that the 46%, i agree, is, in my opinion, higher than i would have thought where we were at, so he doesn't have as deep to go as one would think. i think that the obamacare a lot of people in his base, including me, feel it's good policy because millions have now signed up. the way it goes is jobs and the economy. and the whole disparity between those at the top and those at the middle and the bottom, and if he can, in many ways, make this race about trying to make america fairer for the average american family, i think a problem to the body that is 80% distrusting. you got to remember, their challenge is how they come up from a subbasement position. his challenge is how he comes up

from the floor. i'd rather be on the floor than the subbasement. >> of course, democrats are at 72%. >> right. >> as well in congress. so they are still fairly low as well. i'm wondering, do you hope your democratic party can move away from having to offend the obamacare act like i wanted my party to get away from the single u large obsession of defunding obamacare because it wasn't going to happen? >> i think i would like to see the party defend it in a more clear e term. we keep talking about the politics of health care rather than the policy and talk about how people really need health coverage. i think the defense has been misspoken as more than the fact that it's indefensible. >> also i just think what's interesting -- we will get to something that really interesting that happened on "meet the press" yesterday in just a second. but i think what is interesting

here is that the conversation started about what the president needs to do next and he has -- they have the white house has relieved some information in terms of what he is going to address, in terms of how to help the long-term unemployed and jobs. we found ourselves talking about obamacare which i don't think he is highlighting in the union. it is his promise. those who believe in it, really believe in it and down the road, i think it will be a winner. >> you could say that about those that believe in ted cruz's hopes to defy -- >> no. >> i'm telling you. go back to 2009. this is a losing issue. >> but he has been -- >> the age of micro targeting. they will turn out poor voters in arkansas and they will turn out direct mail and phone calls and voter to voter contact and they will run on obamacare on all 50 states below the radar

but they have to have a public message for advertising what the president talks about. obamacare will turn out votes in a lot of places for a lot of democratic candidates below the radar. >> maybe it will and maybe this is a winning issue two or three years from now. doesn't look like it is right now. we will see. senator rand paul is trying to reframe the context of the so-called war on women and on "meet the press," he argued the narrative had been concocted by democrats saying women in america are increasingly successful in the working world. >> the whole sort of war on women thing, i'm scratching my head because if there was a war on women, i think they won. you know, the women of my family are incredibly successful. i have a niece in law school and 50 he 60% with women in med school. the democrats have concocted and saying the republicans are committing a war on women. one of the workplace laws and

rules i think are good is that bosses should not prey on young interns in their office and i think the media has given president clinton a pass on this. he took advantage of a 20-year-old intern in his office and there no excuse for that and that is predatory behavior and something we shouldn't associate with people take advantage of a young girl in his office. this isn't having an affair. i mean, this isn't me saying, he has had an affair, we shouldn't talk to him. someone who takes advantage of a young girl in their office, i mean really? then they have the gull to stand up and say republicans are having a war on women? yes, i think it's a factor and it's not hillary's fault but it is a factor in judgmenting bill clinton in history. >> he did not just bring up -- the monica stuff and i think immediately, oh, god, let's not

go back to 1998. but he was actually -- you say he was actually asked about? >> "morning joe" researcher willie geist is on for the specific quote. i believe he was asked about remark his wife said in print interview about bill clinton and lewinsky. i believe that is how that started. he is, as mika pointed out, he continued to come back to it somewhat aggressively. >> he doubled down several times. it's unbelievable that we are in 2014 and he goes back there to defend the war on women accusation against the republicans. i think that it is absolutely outrageous to act like what happened in '98 with bill clinton is a woman's policy by the democratic party or a policy statement by bill clinton. i think it's outrageous and i think that for rand paul to do that is a real sign of political desperation. >> so, mika, what do you think about the whole thing? >> i think that was a sign of

political desperation because he doubled down so many times on it and it was very targeted and it just seemed out of place. having said, that i've always been torn about how easily bill clinton has been treated about this whole thing. i mean, he did -- >> by the same women's groups who pounced on clarence thomas, pounced on clarence thomas, yeah. no doubt about it. >> you can't deny that that was reprehensible what happened. and defied so many morals that we stand by in this country in terms of how you treat women, other people's children. do you agree he did something absolutely terrible and got off pretty clean. >> i don't think bill clinton disagrees with what he did was wrong but i think we are dealing with bill clinton is not in the

political discussion today. if the shot is to try to bring this back up, to take a shot at hillary clinton, i think her posture is much different. >> no. that, i agree. it's tough. >> i feel like i can't win. >> i feel like i could bring that stuff in a gazillion years. >> why not? >> it's like the iraq war in 2003. we fought those battles. let's let them go. that said -- let's just look at it because hillary is probably going to run. if hillary clinton attacks the republican party's handling of women and treatment of women and disrespect for women and suggest they are misogynistic, et cetera, et cetera, it does seem to be a fair question to ask right now a few years out, does

the media have a responsibility to say, well, let's see what happened when you were in the white house and how women were treated when you're in the governor's mansion and in the white house with you right there. is that fair? >> there is one -- >> by the way, let me just say i would never bring it up again in a gazillion years, but does this not compromise hillary clinton's ability to bash republicans as being terrible towards women massage nim -- >> you have one thing to prove that you can beat hillary clinton is that what all republican voters are looking at. >> rand paul -- >> he gave republicans notice on three things. one, he will take on the clinton's aggressively and fight on the war on women and fight back. three, for him playing offense is something he'll do. he'll just generally be on offense because he was on a

defensive topic. that may not win a general election and defend some people's sense iblets but right now, if you want to be the republican nominee you have one thing you got to prove to voters. you can and will -- >> tell you that -- >> i want to go back. >> what about my question? >> if fair game? >> is it fair game. >> not what he said. if hillary clinton attacks republicans as being misogynistic or terrible toward women, does the media have the responsibility to ask her what happened in the white house when she was there for eight years and in the arkansas governor's mansion? >> the media does and the republicans will and that will drive a lot of the media questioning because republicans cannot see the female vote. they just can't. >> it could backfire. >> it probably will. >> hillary clinton could also take the posture that are you now saying that women are responsible for the behavior of their husbands? >> thank you. >> and could rally women voters? i dare the republicans to take that to her because if i'm her,

i would dribble, hit the backboard, and score a three-pointer from way out because she was the wife in this. she was not one that i would want to mess with. >> that's why i brought up the media because it's a loser for republicans. it was a loser in 1999. it's a loser today. people don't want to talk about that. that's why i ask the question, does the media have the responsibility to ask these questions? because i think politically it's an absolute loser for the republican party and it has been. i can't believe rand paul even brought it up. >> they will struggle for a strategy to take her on. a reason why they by she is formidable so people will throw everything up against the watch and not so much to appeal to the media and not to win the election but to show republicans they will sit back and let her walk -- >> any republican out there that wants to hear what mike huckabee was selling last week, or wants to hear what rand paul was selling yesterday, they will lose 6 out of 7 presidential

elections in the popular vote. >> and be wiped out with the female voters, absolutely wiped out. >> absolutely wiped out. i guess rand paul said he was more concerned about boys, little boys than girls yesterday. >> oh, my god. >> what was that? what was the exact quote? >> no, please. what are you talking about? >> he is more concerned about the way little boys are being treated right now, i think something along those lines. it was like one of those stop in your tracks. >> it was not a well-practiced -- >> so governor huckabee explained his comments. >> boy. he kind of caught a lot of flak from republicans. >> he explained who uncle sugar was. it's a southern term. >> so i've lived in northwest florida, georgia, alabama, mississippi, and i lived there for like the majority of my life. i never heard uncle sugar. your family is from the south.

>> it comes up in being in the first search result. it's uncle sam. uncle sugar is uncle sam. >> it's a fun term. >> so rand paul, the exact quote was, rand paul said he worried about young men sometimes because they are being outcompeted in the world against women. women are outcompeting young men. >> right. >> let's talk about -- >> hold on a second. did you just say that? and did he say that? >> no, he said that. >> that is the point he made in the first sound bite we played before he started talking about monica lewinsky is that women have -- >> we work harder and do a better job and get paid less? awesome! thanks! we are outcompeting. >> i'm concerned about that too. >> don't come here and say that. i'm very concerned. i think i'm due for a raise. >> check with uncle sugar. >> uncle sugar! that's bill griffin. >> that is who it is. >> what about mike huckabee say?

>> he tried to explain it but it was awkward and it was an interview where both sides were on the same side, so he really didn't have to explain it that much. he wasn't -- he said it was him turning it around on the democrats. >> we love the guy. i don't quite understand that. >> i don't either. i was looking around for women that can't control their libido all weekend and i couldn't find any! >> you couldn't find any housewives? >> i went running in westchester county and looking for women running out of their houses and jumping on men. it didn't happen. >> wrong county. >> what is the right county? >> putnam county. >> i swear. all of the women i came across with in the coffee shop didn't look like they had a libido problem. >> really? >> no. >> like packs of wolves! >> they were frothing at the mouth. >> so funny! >> everybody just jumping on trees! >> dragging you canes that they

broke free from? >> exactly. the whole thing is just fantastic. >> i got a quick question for you, halpern. you're a -- you're a trivia guy. we showed the beatles up at the top. >> two of the beatles. >> so 1964, 50 years ago, we are going to celebrate in february the beatles coming to america and they had five songs in the top be list. "i want to hold your hand" and song after song top of the charts in 1964. 1964 grammys. song of the year, what is it? >> probably paul anka? >> that's a good guess. >> what was it? >> it was a girl from -- >> oh, yeah! herb albert? >> there you go. >> the girl from ipanema.

>> this is the song of the year that year! beatles come to america and changed the world! >> john lennon had to die to get a grammy. none of the beatles got a grammy until john lennon died! >> you got to get a roller for him. >> it's all political. >> did not like liverpool. >> all right. coming up on "morning joe," we will be talking to nbc political director chuck todd and later, a conversation with legendary music producer herb ashle albert. we had a great talk with him. up next top stories in the political playbook.

>> north florida could get snow and they are freaking out down there. you have winter weather heading your way. first let me get you out the door. the areas of snow this morning be careful out towards buffalo and syracuse. snow squalls rolling through and also near pittsburgh. the brutal cold is back in the northern plains. a dangerous day. they cancelled school in a lot of areas. minus 37 in minneapolis and minus 19 chicago. and indianapolis just dropped to minus 18. a brutal day in the midwest heading for the great lakes but here is the big story. snow, sleet and freezing rain possible, houston, new orleans, mobile, montgomery, and look out in the carolinas into areas of georgia. you could get enough snow you're going to need the plows! how much snow are we talking about? looks like in this area about 1 to 3 inches but in areas of eastern north carolina as much as 3 to 6 inches of snow. maybe on the outer banks. possibility of up to a foot. again, that is tuesday into wednesday. areas that don't have a lot of salt trucks or really any plows at all. what wants. what a january it's been.

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darian marcus aguilar watched inside a columbia mall and killed two workers and then took his own life. the victims were identified as 21-year-old briana benlolo and tyler johnson. authorities found a bag and

homemade explosions. they say aguilar bought his gun legally in maryland. the mall is supposed to reopen today. left more than 600 passengers sick. reported symptoms are similar to the nora virus which can spread by touch, food or water. the royal caribbean ship was carried more than 400 passengers and it departed from new jersey last week. the ship was destined to the u.s. virgin islands. google is adding to its arsenal of start-ups. the company purchased an artificial intelligence company for a reported 500 million. the london-based company deep mind is said to have computer technology that people can teach themselves without human input. the telegraph, symbolic gesture of peace went wrong in the exactly this morning. >> these show the children. >> pope francis relieved two

white doves and one of the dove was attacked by a passing sea dog gull and the other was attacked by a black crow. the pope embrace add boy who joined him during the prayer while another child next to him laughed. >> that's terrible. >> that is terrible. "the washington post" -- that's horrible! "the washington post" the postal service is raising its prices to help recover some of its losses from the economic downturn. three-set hike went into effect yesterday making it the largest increase in more than a decade. the prices will remain in place for two years. >> the arizona daily star republicans in arizona john mccain being too liberal and saying they will no longer support or endorse mccain. it has no effect on the senator to try to embarrass him and mccain is considering to seek his sixth senate term. the "new york post." the so-called beard craze appears to be sweeping the nation while sending razor sales

down the drain. >> they are talking about actual beards? >> ew! >> proctor and gamble cites the rapidly facial hair grow trends. the company specifically mentioned the movember movement. seriously? the company's net income for the second quarter was down 16%. ew! >> seriously. i want to know she is extraordinarily talented. she owns the radio. >> do you want me -- >> i got a 10-year-old daughter. >> you wouldn't want -- >> i got a 10-year-old daughter and every time we drive anywhere, beyonce is on. i said to kate, this is just beyon beyonce's world and we injure visiting it. if that is the case, why does chef to do this? i don't mean to sound like an old guy. >> that's not the bad part of

it. >> why? what else does chef to prove -- she have to prove? >> she is a mom and has a beautiful daughter. >> why? >> i don't know. i guess she is known for her shapely behind but she doesn't have to wiggle it openly toward the audience. it was awful. it was awful. it was really cool when jay-jerjay-z came out. my daughter thinks she is very talented but i was bummed out when she did that dance before he came out. i don't get it. >> am i wrong? does anyone disagree with me? >> i don't get it. she's on top of the world right now. she has a 10-year-old girls watching her. >> and she is very sexy. >> she is without doing that. i don't understand. >> are we old school? >> no, we are not old school. >> you always tell me not to be

the schooled. >> but that is just stupid. if you're miley cyrus and you have a limited voice and have limited talent, that is one thing. >> true. >> if you're beyonce and you own the world already. >> do something good with it! >> what? >> do something good with that ownership. >> willie geist, have you a daughter. what do you think? >> we didn't show -- the top of the show, it was pretty hard-core right at 8:00 but nothing new for beyonce. i don't think anybody is shocked by it. that is her act. >> i saw her concert and there was a lot of that. >> but at 8:00 p.m. on tv? whatever. whatever. >> i guess -- >> i won't have my kids watching it. it's ridiculous. >> let's see what mike allen thinks. >> reverend al's eyebrows went up when you said shapely behind. >> less is more. leave people guessing? >> i got you. i got you at the comment.

let's go to mike allen of politico and has a look at the playbook. mike, good morning. >> good morning. >> from beyonce's chair dance, we go to deficits. leading politico this morning, washington's attention to deficits disorder as you call it. another debt fight around the corner perhaps. where do both parties stand on the issue and is it really still an issue that it's the center of the conversation any more? >> willie, over the next week, we are going it hear a lot of patting themselves on the back from both parties. we will have the president's state of the union tomorrow where he will talk about progress ahead of he has already done. the republicans have their retreat coming up at the owned of the end of the week and they will talk about out unified they are and how smart politically they are. here is a reality check. the hard issues are all being gordon this year. next month when they have to raise the debt ceiling, the republicans will ask something for it. we heard on the shows yesterday, senator mitch mcconnell and

senator ted trus saying they want something but they are going to ask for changes to obamacare and not anything to deal with long drivers of the debt and big changes and those are put off until 16 or 17 before anything like that is done and a political reason for both sides to avert their ways and say move along. republicans don't want to be seen as the scold party to use mika's word. they want to move past beyond being the no deficit party. and the president knows that deficit cutting is a loser in the midterm elections so he is happy to take their lead and move along. >> should we put the term grand bargain out of our head? something we have talks about for years but the conversation ends the same every time. democrats throw their bodies in front of entitlement programs and republicans do the same in front of tax cuts. what changes that dynamic? >> it's going to have to be a crisis and nearly every time, i sit down with one of these

leaders, i say what is it going to take for you to say that this is really the moment? in years of asking that question of every top leader, no one has ever answered it. no one knows. there will be a fiscal crisis but it's not coming and until it comes, neither side is going to do anything about it. there just aren't the incentives there. >> mike allen with a look at the playbook, thanks so much. >> have a good week. coming up, li na won the australian open this week but her acceptance speech that won everybody over. we will tell about it coming up. [ male announcer ] marie callender's knows you may not have time to roll out a perfectly flaky crust that's made from scratch. or mix vegetables with all white meat chicken and homemade gravy. but marie callender's does. just sit down and savor.

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a rat over there. >> a rat over there? >> in our van. >> i like that girl up there. >> wearing my glasses, i look like another man. >> i will sing for you when you begged me and you really begged me! >> bad lip reading! >> i love it. >> save the pretzels. >> good stuff. >> rick perry, greatest piece of video. >> i love that. >> you guys. >> you laugh as hard every time. i don't know why. it's not funny. oh, my god, you're idiots! >> they are good over there. let's do a little sports. the nhl grabbed some headlines this weekend playing a couple of outdoor games. these things are monster hits for the league. great idea. that is at yankees stadium, rangers and devils. this one delayed an hour because of sun reflection off the ice. mats zuccarello tips in the

equalizer and game tied at 3. zuccarello again. 4-3 new york leads and no looking back from there. rangers score six unanswered goals for a 7-3 win over the devils at yankees stadium in the bronx. they are doing that all over the country. very smart. tennis. rapha raphael nadal was looking to win more than one grand slam each. nadal showing his human sign and experiencing some back problems. in the second set, wawrinka takes advantage and eighth seed wins and earns his first-ever grand slam title. he had never won a set from rafael nadal. >> was it because he was hurt? >> part of it, yeah, a very bad back. >> first major ever to wawrinka. on the women's ', li na took the

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." a nice shot of washington, d.c. a beautiful morning. with us is the director of the earth institute at columbia university, dr. jeffrey sachs. you've been around this great big world. >> happy to be here for a day. >> where are you had heed out to next? >> off to ethiopia. >> we are big in ethiopia. >> big union summit. >> i know you're a big supporter of de blasio and prek. >> i am too. >> mika is a big supporter of that plan as well. >> i wish they would let me do something. >> you should do something. you should do something. >> so cuomo, he comes up and he

comes up with an idea and de blasio goes, thanks, but no thanks. i want to raise taxes on hard working new yorkers any way. is that how he framed it or what is the deal? is cuomo's plan is not as expansive enough for him? >> i think cuomo had to say this is a great idea, prek and after school. that is a great success for the new mayor. but because the governor is saying we have to do it statewide, now we are talking about numbers and that is why the mayor is a albany today to talk about the numbers. >> the mayor says he still wants to move forward with the tax even if new york state is taken care of. >> the governor didn't do the arithmetic. he put a hundred million dollars on the table which wouldn't cover a third of what new york city needs. >> you live on the upper east side? >> upper west side. >> good. >> absolutely. columbia neighborhood. >> that is why he is here today!

>> i don't know what is happening on the other side of the park. >> neither does de blasio. >> oh, stop. >> i heard. you talk about -- i heard more people laughing about the fact that no snow plows were sent to the upper east side. >> well, it happens. >> joe, this is really, i think, the great central point. do we do arithmetic in this country and pay for things that need to be pay for and can the rich pay a tiny bit more what is needed for poor kids? that is the fight. >> the question is about cuomo at the end of the day. his plan is bad arithmetic? it doesn't add up? >> it doesn't add up at all. it's one-fifth but we will get to the bottom of the arithmetic. i think the mayor will carry through because basically everybody agrees now we need the universal prek. how do you pay for it? >> he is up in albany to talk about the numbers. if cuomo comes up with the money statewide he won't need to raise the money in the city but if he

doesn't he'll still raise the money in the city? >> he can't raise the money without the governor's cooperation. >> that is the game. never make the bridge pay more. that is the whole game and what the governor is after but it doesn't add up. >> can the mayor convince the governor to do that? >> i hope the public, which has come out everywhere to say, of course, we want our kids in prek, we want kids after school, even the governor has said how important this is now. >> the governor has already -- >> he said it's great. >> has supported with de blasio put on the table. no one was talking about this. the bad news is that it's an election year and i don't know how much the governor wants to get around -- >> are you saying the governor is protecting the rich from taxes? >> absolutely. he has a low tax agenda. he has got national aspirations. he wants to run on never raising taxes. even less than half of 1% above incomes of 500,000, that's where we are right now. we are playing games. >> i can't believe it. >> but it is arithmetic and we will come down to that because

the governor has signed on to the agenda. this is incredibly important. now we just have to do the numbers. >> zooming out to 20,000 feet, this is robert rice. you wrote over the weekend this. middle incomes are sinking. the ranks of the poor are swelling. almost all of the economic gains are going to the top and big money is corrupting our democracy. so why isn't there more of a raucous? the answer is complex but three reasons stand out. first, the working class is paralyzed with fear it will lose the jobs and wages it already has. second, students don't dare rock the boat. third and finally, the american public has become so cynical about government that many no longer think reform is possible. we cannot abide an ever greater share of the nation's income and wealth toing to the dop while median household incomes continue to drop and 1 out of 5 of our children living in dire poverty and big money taking over our democracy. at some point, working people and students and the broad

public will have had enough. >> dr. sachs, you wrote this in your last book, since 18973, average incomes for men have be on the decline. >> wages are down. >> generational challenge. it's actually sped up since 2009. the numbers since 2009 are staggering and, of course, i bring that up because we are talking about president obama, a guy who wanted to, you know, do something about it and narrow that gap. this isn't just about politics. bigger forces at work here. what do we do as a nation? >> well, the president, unfortunately, never had a plan for it, so he had the right direction but his budgets were always short term, stimulus which had nothing to do with these longer term technological changes. we need education. we need training. that's why the mayor's proposals are so important because they are getting to the core of things. they are getting to helping our children have a future in a high

tech age. and that is what we really need to do about it. >> and we have learned, by the way, you've got to start much earlier than 6. >> you have -- >> 5 or 6. >> at birth. 0 to 3. healthy upbringing and safe environment and safe child care. these things are known we have to get back to basics in this country. >> i totally agree with you. and the mayor. >> it's interesting. you talk about the technological changes. that is such a massive challenge and with all of the political day trading that both parties do and that washington politicians do and governors and -- nobody talks about the generational challenge. >> it's fundamental. >> on the rich getting rich and the poorer getting poorer. >> you had a story on google buying an artificial intelligence system in the uk. what is happening is robotics, artificial intelligence fundamentally changesing jobs. jobs that traditional ones are

disappearing. we have to face some reality. >> i know we have to go but this is an important point to make. along those lines, you know, the things that work for us before like, for instance, the affordable care act. everybody is going to have health insurance. i bump into a guy that -- and he owns 30 restaurants across america. i said what is the affordable care act doing? we are trying to how to survive on our margins. i said what do you do? he said we figured out how to get by with 25% less employees. that is what that story means and that is what new technology means. you can call everybody selfish all you want but you can't chain them to a radiator and make them hire people. that is our challenge over the next generation. >> of course, the real story it links not only in that way but

the fact is we could reduce the costs dramatically with the new technologies but that is not what this is about. we have to get serious about the real technological future. that is less than what i saw over the world in the last few weeks. other countries are moving. we are not. >> dr. jeffrey sachs, thank you so much. still ahead, the state of the union. >> our fans in ethiopia. >> i will do it. you got a lot of them. after a tough stretch for the white house, david gregory asks how much persuasive power does the president have left? that is coming up on "morning joe." ♪ if it takes all night that will be all right ♪ [ male announcer ] what if a small company

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deliver the tea party response to president obama's state of the union address next week. expected to be the exact same text of obama's speech but delivered in this voice. >> while addressing the republican national committee mike huckabee is trying to control the libido but the government is controlling its libido. >> that is a good one. welcome back to "morning joe." we will just let that be. mark halpern is with us joining the table. the editor of the "weekly standard" bill kristol.

>> bill actually wrote mike huckabee's speech for the republican national committee. >> i studied some freud and read up on libido i hadn't read since college. >> sugar. >> i was hoping we could get through this show without discussing libido but i was wrong. >> jogging through westchester county, she said housewives were -- >> running out of their homes attacking men and stopping their cars and pulling them out of the cars jumping on them! >> it happens to me all the time. but i don't want to talk about that here! i don't want to talk that about here on the air. >> what is the deal? i won't ask you to explain that. it's below you. host of "the bill press show" bill press is here in new york. good to have you here. >> i can't control my own libido. >> thank you very much. >> i want to thank bill kristol for rating that speech.

>> too much information! >> honesty is the best policy. >> that's not true either! >> to a certain point. >> really? >> alex, do we have the polls up first here? >> i want to talk about the challenges both sides face because both sides face some pretty great political challenges. >> despite a full-court press by his administration a appears the president continues to struggle with obamacare. a new poll shows 37% approve of his handling of the health care law. 59% disapprove, down from the beginning of 2011 when 43% approved of the law. meanwhile, 63% have little confidence in his ability to make the right decisions about the country's future. 37% say they have confidence in

the president which is significantly higher than republicans in congress. 80% of americans do not have confidence in the gop, including 36% of self-identified republicans. overall, 27% have faith in democrats and congress. 72% do not. wow. >> i want to stop right there. >> stop, pause. >> the president has 46% approval rating which i think is pretty darn good considering everything. bill press, let me go to you and i'll challenge out the democrats and then i'm going to talk to bill on the republicans. so don't push me away by saying, yeah, but those republicans have it worse off because i'll bring that up myself. it's pretty stunning, six years in, 63% of americans don't have confidence in barack obama is going to be making the right decisions for america. first of all, this is a staggering number. the second number has to do with

the affordable care act, still mired in the 30s and lowest approval ratings and two huge challenges for the democrats going into the midterm, aren't they? >> absolutely. if you want me to say there is a sliver lining here, i can't find a silver lining. >> especially if i were president and i saw the 63% number, it just would make me sick to my stomach. what does 63% of americans doubt the president have confidence he is going to do the right things for america? >> i think because he is coming out of a bad year. not all of his own doing but syria is a mess and everybody knows it and we don't seem to find our direction in syria. the problems with obamacare are serious. there is no excuse for botching the release of that website. and that -- poll numbers were good before that.

then it just sunk. then you look and nothing on immigration, basically didn't publish anything. some of that because of republican objectionism or his lack of ability to on get in there and fight. he is coming out clearly the worst year of his presidency. and it shows. >> it's like the chris christie scandal, it's easy to understand it doesn't work and what people got for -- i thought that was devastating. >> they wanted to get there and sign up for their families and they go there and rush there. >> still a chance it will work in the long run but what a lost opportunity. >> bill, let's avoid talking about the president and talk about our party, the republican party. i saw this number in the middle of the night sort of just gagged. 80% of americans, 4 out of 5, i don't think i've seen a number this high for any major party, 80% of americans don't trust republicans. that's like 1973 numbers in the

middle of watergate. what in the world is driving that number so high when mark halpern suggested earlier even with those high numbers we may control both bodies in congress next year. why do 80% of americans not trust republicans? >> a lot of history there and back to bush. if you're in opposition you can be pretty good opposition party and still not pretty and you look like you're just stopping things and not pushing things. i do think as republican governors run for re-election in states like wisconsin and michigan and ohio, and elsewhere across the country this year, i think voters might notice some of these governors whom they are about to reelect and whose jo be they approve of are republicans and i think it would help the party if the governors got out more and were the face of the party and they can actually govern. secondly i think republicans see the problem and the good news they are pivoting. a lot of us talking about a conservative agenda lamenting a

little bit that the politicians have been a little slow to jump on that. today, senior republican senators introducing an alternative of conservative, alternative form of obamacare. senator coburn from oklahoma a respected guy and senator hatch ranking member on the finance committee. this is a good proposal. takes care of preexisting condition and no bureaucracy and none of the obamacare nonsense and tax credits for the poor and near poor and not perfect and i think tweaked some but i think it shows not just back benchers and not just ambitious 37-year-olds senior republicans see they have to be a governing party and not an opposition party. >> i don't want to focus on this too much because god knows everybody else on the media will other than us about this but it seems that we die sort of our brand dies a death by like a thousand cuts when you have mike huckabee taking center stage at

our winter meeting and saying that just silly stuff that he was saying about women's libidos and uncle sugar. you got rand paul yesterday going back in and re-fighting monica lewinsky. sometimes you feel helpless. is there no referee in our party? >> no, there is no referee. look. i think governance and reality trumps silly statements by various senators and ex-governors. mike huckabee is an extremely good politician and i think one of the best republican politicians. he was thinking up on his freud and thinking about deep questions and ego and super ego and it slips out there at the rnc. >> i think we heard mike huckabee the preacher, not the politician. >> but that will pass. i'm actually pretty, got to say i think about a year ago. romney lost and everything had to be changed and they were doomed for generations.

i think republicans have actually had a pretty good year. mostly because obama has not had a good year. i agree. the key for the next couple of years is for the republicans to earn a good year themselves and not just benefit from the mistakes of -- >> i wanted to show you rand paul. he doesn't take a little swipe here. he keeps going. here is rand paul on "meet the press." >> the democrats have concocted and saying the republicans are committing a war on women. one of the workplace laws and rules i think are good is that bosses should not prey on young interns in their office and i think the media has given president clinton a pass on this. he took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office. there no excuse for that and that is predatory behavior and something we shouldn't associate with people take advantage of a young girl in his office. this isn't having an affair.

i mean, this isn't me saying, he has had an affair, we shouldn't talk to him. someone who takes advantage of a young girl in their office, i mean really? then they have the gull to stand up and say republicans are having a war on women? yes, i think it's a factor and it's not hillary's fault but it is a factor in judging bill clinton in history. >> right but is it something that hillary clinton should be judged on if she were a candidate in 2016. >> yeah -- no, i'm not saying that. this is with regard to the clintons and sometimes it's hard to separate one from the other. with regard to his place in history it certainly is a discussion. >> i think you can separate them. mark, you had an interesting observation on what you thought he was doing. >> what teed him up there was a citation of an interview his wife did with "vogue" last september in which she -- rand paul's wife said, quote, i would say his behavior, talking to bill clinton, was predatory, offensive to women. i think my sense is, senator

paul went on to make sure his wife wasn't left uncovered if she took that position. i think he want to make sure. it was invoked to him. he has got a history with live interviews. he doesn't always go with the talking points. but i think -- i think his instinct just to make sure his wife was not left out there by herself owe that. >> we spent so much time on our "crossfire" days with bill clinton and monica lewinsky. i don't think the public has the appetite to go back there now and i don't think this will become an issue if hillary runs for president we will bring up the monica lewinsky thing all over again. >> i'm not a huge rand paul fan but republicans get attack with ludicrous war on women claim and the republicans are supposed to go in a fetal position, i'm sorry, we really like women as romney did.

i nominated for different positions i like the fact rand paul says can we talk about women and the democratic president before obama and the democrats took a vow in silence they wouldn't talk about what they thought of him? i'm okay with what rand paul said in this case. >> it's a question i asked before. bill, i asked the question last hour and let me ask you. do reporters, if hillary clinton starts talking about how horrible the republican party is to women and how they are misogynistic, et cetera, et cetera, does the reporters and media have the responsibility to say look what happened the last democratic administration? they will at least bring those questions up? >> the last democratic administration will be barack obama. >> you mean going back to bill clinton? >> before. >> i don't think so. i also take issue with the fact that the media gave bill clinton a pass. >> i do too. >> look.

maureen dowd and tim russert, god bless him, they all went after bill clinton at the time saying, i don't know whether impeachable offense and i don't think the american public want to go back there. >> president obama is going to do, mark halpern, what all presidents do six years in and he is going to talk about the "the wall street journal" and about his unilateral agenda. is this the last refuge of a truly desperate presidents? >> other presidents have done it but the president is big on fill filling the agenda the things he wants to do are requiring a working with congress and i don't see this speech setting that up particularly well but they did have the budget victory and try to get one on immigration. if they did that and they solved the debt ceiling without a big fight, i think there is a possibility that the spring and summer could involve some more compromise. the legislative action and not

executive things which are mostly symbolic in almost every case. >> he is not going to get immigration reform and not get a lot of the other big issues he wanted. >> i think the republicans will come really far in immigration and up to harry reid and the president to decide if they want to compromise. >> i wrote in an editorials the republicans on conservative tea party friends, don't talk about the debt ceiling. but on immigration, my advice not entirely welcomed, i would say, by the leadership and to the leadership and the establishment types let immigration go this year. it's no urgency and can be passed next year and better will be passed by a better administration nex year. if you go to conference with this bill to pass the democratic senate but i agree with mark. the republican establishment and the class in washington, big business really want immigration reform and may try to jam it down the throats of actual republican grassroot voters this year and i think it could cost

the republicans the senate. >> how do you think it's bad politics? >> i want to double down on that one as we continue to promote your book. that is the washington establishment, the new york establishment. they all suggest that passing immigration reform is going to help republicans with hispanic voters this year. i can't think of what would hurt them more than passing an immigration bill framed by barack obama and harry reid and a weakened republican house. maybe next year when the republicans are running the hill but not this year. >> the big republicans are successful and beginning to make away from the mitt romney republican party the way it was perceived is toward a pro middle class and pro middle america republican party. mike lee and many others in the house senate trying to think through policy proposals help working class people and you were talking about this in the last segment.

wages going down and massive influx of cheap wage immigrants is not the way to talk about middle americans. >> we will talk about this more with chuck todd coming up. get one more story in on the sunday shows. senator rand paul and snowstorm ted cruz were both asked about governor chris krchristie. >> i think there is room for more moderate republicans in the party and i am a believer we should have an expansive and diverse party in many ways but the primaries are a conservative process and the -- my understanding is that it will be more difficult for a moderate to make it through because we truly are fiscal conservatives in our party. we don't want to spend money we don't have. if we are going to spend something on such as sandy, which is, i think, something the country was going to take a responsibility in, we think we should pay for it, but that's why i think there was a debate over him sort of lecturing congress and saying, gimme all of this money and all i was

asking for and many other republicans were asking for it ought to be paid for through spending cuts and overseas spending. >> i like chris christie. i think he is brash and outspoken and i think it's terrific that he has been able to get elected twice as a republican in a very blue state. i think it's unfortunate he's found himself in this mess and i hope he can extricate himself. i think he is an effective leader and i'd like to see him move on to governing new jersey and not being mired in the scandal. >> oh, my god. he did not mean a word he said! >> he did too! >> that was -- >> olive branch. >> he said i want to move on governing new jersey and not running for president is really what he meant. >> he seemed more insincere in his i care approach is marco rubio. that is good stuff. what he gets like really intense.

>> people saw chris christie a couple of weeks and said he doesn't look like the old chris christie. ted cruz doesn't look like the old ted cruz. by the way, that is a positive. a bit of and this enhas gone off of him. he sensed the big blowup. he went quiet and he went to man te -- mandela's funeral. people out there go crazy. he looks more comfortable in his own skin and who knows. maybe he has figured out he has six years in a senate term and he may -- this guy may end up being a pretty great conservative legislator who can do things more than just throw bombs. >> look. i've had my differences with ted cruz but he should not be underestimated. people can say in washington he did the party and service for the shutdown and this and that. one year? seriously. he can adjust as joe suggests.

the hardest to do is make a name for yourself and then adjust and find an issue you seem more moderate and something he can with a the liberals sh he voted with them on the sexual harassment and the military issue and i think unfortunately but nonetheless he was can gillibrand on that. so he's a very smart operator. >> bill press, people that know ted cruz and have talked to him will go away from that meeting and say any comparisons to other, let's say, conservatives that have risen fast and then fallen fast are -- are poor choices. he is not. >> you're picking up on -- you're picking up on exactly the way he was before he was a senator. much calmer and reasonable, smart. >> i think he has made a lot of noise and big impact but negative. couldn't get the support of his own republican senators for anything he wanted. the more i see rand paul this

morning and ted cruz this morning, as a democrat, the better i feel about 2016. >> i was going to say. >> go, go, go! >> we will see. that's what you said about ronald reagan in 1979. how did that work for you? >> oh, let me not remind you some moment in time when you were completely wrong about a candidate. >> about barack obama? >> bill press, thank you very much. it's nice to see you. >> wonder how much money you could raise and what did i say? never mind. >> bill kristol, stay with us. coming up, chuck todd breaks down the big issues on the president's agendas. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ as a business owner, i'm constantly putting out fires. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing rewards.

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welcome back to "morning joe." that is capitol hill in washington, d.c. on this monday

morning. president obama will deliver his state of the union address tomorrow night calling for a year of action even if that means executive action. here is msnbc's david gregory are a preview of the speech. >> reporter: for president obama, the state of the union offers a big stage but an even bigger question -- hour persuasive power does he have left? >> our presidency has gotten awfully frond-loaded and it doesn't used to be this way and it's now gotten to the point, except under extraordinary circumstances a second-term president loses power very, very quickly. >> reporter: the president doesn't see it that way. >> has this been the worst year of your presidency? >> i got to tell you, julie, that's now how i think about it. >> reporter: but others say 2013 was a wasted year. much of his top policy issues stole by republicans in most mood to work with him. difficult for any president but especially for one who doesn't

relish the tough nitty-gritty of political deal making. >> president obama believes that the argument itself has its own persuasive power. sometimes that is really not the case. sometimes as shakespeare said prick people until they bleed. >> to gun control. >> the families of newtown deserve a vote! >> reporter: to minimum wage. >> no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty. >> reporter: nearly every policy proposal the president laid out in last year's state of the union did not pass. so how does the president speak to a congress many view as hostile to his agenda? well, go over their heads. >> with congress grid locked and paralyzed the president has a chance for freedom to say what he thinks we ought to do as a country without worrying about what this congressional caucus or congressional vote will be.

>> reporter: while state of the union speeches are full of policy descriptions, the president is also going to be thinking about politic namely the midterms. >> what does he want to do in the speech? he wants to make some progress around the edges where he has a real change in immigration, in my view and set up the themes he needs to head into the midterm elections, particularly on the economy. >> joining us is now is political director and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. good morning. >> good morning. >> do you have the second-term blues? >> do i? >> you covered it. >> well, i would say blues. i think the toughest part for the white house to accept and i don't know if you've noticed, they have got every social media pr gadget you can think of, they are using, because they do know that barring something unforeseen with their next state of the unions, this is the last one where they actually have a chance to set the agenda for a period of time.

how long that lasts? it certainly lasted a lot shorter last year than they ever expected. i think part of it was they went for something that they couldn't win in guns early. if they had to do it over again, maybe they would have gone in a different or with their issues but considering when newtown was it's understandable why che whos was they went with last year. this one, they know this is it. this is -- you know, because 2015 and twoo2016 in the middlea campaign. i'm noticing a sense of urgency in the white house almost as if, like, man, we can't screw this up, guys, because we don't have

too many more at-bats. >> chuck, it's thomas. as we look at the new poll and look at the confidence that the american people have in the president and in the parties in general and the president specifically 36% say a greater good deal of confidence and 63% saying some or none. so is this the president basically putting up the argument for how much executive order or how much threat of executive order he is going to use to goose congress to get its act in order? >> i think it's more about him trying to talk over congress and trying to deal -- you know, i had this conversation with somebody over the weekend at the white house and i said, boy, this looks like you're giving up on congress and they said, no, we are just trying to be realistic where the public is. the public has given up on congress. they don't believe stuff gets done through them either so we got to be realistic when we speak to the public is their argument, so this idea of executive actions is more of the public will at least believe that if the president says, i want to do this and do it this

way, i don't need congress. then they think, maybe he can actually do it. by the way, all of these poll numbers and we got one coming out tomorrow and they are all showing something that if i'm the white house i'm really nervous about is to me it's american public that will not tune in tomorrow. the only people -- the scariest thing if you're the president tomorrow you may get partisans people with you and definitely against you tuning in that you may not get the casual viewer that they are sort of down on all of washington because notice it's not just the president's numbers that are down. it's both parties. that it's the theory you have is apathy. the president wants this middle coming and tuning in. what this they don't and this is a very small, much smaller audience than we have seen before? that scares the white house. >> one of the undercovered stories the last six months is how unhappy and panicked democrats are trying to keep the

senate majority and white house lat last week, announced a new office of political affairs dealing with the mid terms. how much has that pacified democrats and how well do they think that office can work? >> how much confidence do they have in david who was put in charge of it? they weren't happy with their interactions with dennis mcdonough and dan pfeiffer so they needed to do something that was more directly having a role between the white house and the political shops of the house and senate. you know, i could tell you the house and senate they say that they miss -- these guys say they miss axelrod and plouffe but though ethose guys were focused on one thing. they never thought about house and senate races. they were thinking only on one thing. >> but they spoke their language. >> they did or that -- no, the fear was there was nobody in the white house that cares, that ultimately when given a choice,

what do they care about? the president's legacy and politics and care about a lot more than house or senate. i think that -- look. you talk to folks individually in the white house, mark, you know they all realize, boy, you think it's bad now with a democratic senate and republican house, wait until you get 2015 and end up with a republican house and senate. thn h then how are you going to do anything? they get it individually but i don't think they figured out how to use their -- how to use the white house politically. >> bill, also a couple of numbers. first of all, the president. the only area the president is doing well on is fighting terrorism. he is 50% approved, 42% disapprove. the only issue. on iran he is upside down ten points. only 39% of americans support his iran policy. that is a big drop. syria, 33%. foreign policy may be an issue by the end of all this. what is driving the president's

numbers down so much on foreign policy? is it syria? is it something bigger? >> it's a general sense that we are weak and in retreat and our friends are not doing well and our enemies are doing well. the iran number is stunning. syria is a disaster, the president acknowledged that. syria we didn't intervene and you can debate that but thousands of people would be killed and vastly the american public would say syria policy is not working so well. iran just announced a fair amount of the foreign policy president is heralding as a breakthrough deal with iran and new modern president and talking to each other in davos, it's hope and change is wonderful. fact that the public was 39/49 proof and disapprove on iran is amazing. i'm with the majority of the 49 in that i think it's a bad deal. but the fact they can't sell a -- one thing the white house usually do get credit for including in the sixth and seventh year when they are otherwise in trouble they cut a deal with a foreign leader and

the president of the united states says this is important and the right thing and make -- people say, okay, they have been attacking people -- as war mongers the last month and doesn't seem to be working so a lack of confidence. >> you also brought up, interestingly enough, bob gates book, which you, like me, don't think he should have published it at least while barack obama was still president. you don't want that public. my feeling is you don't write about the commander in chief when he is the commander in chief. that said, do you think this book may have actually hurt his standing? >> i think it confirmed the sense that was already brewing in people's minds that he is not -- you know, as gates said, he wants to get out of afghanistan. the good war, the war he sent tens of thousands more troops to and elsewhere in orn respects he doesn't take the military advice as seriously and gates painted a picture and painted a picture of a very political white house not very experienced and not very

serious about america's -- 20 year ago colin powell said the key to the post cold war war is that the world looks around at america and sees a sign on the door, super power lives here and thinks we shouldn't mess with these guys. i think under clinton and bush and the first couple of years with obama with the surge a certain sense that, yeah, whatever the problems that is the case. i really do think americans sense that the rest of the world doesn't see that sign on the door any more and that that is dangerous. >> tuned out which could be worse. >> yeah. the headlines were really bad for the gates book. you actually read the gates book and you see gates giving the president a good bit of credit on afghanistan deciding to go in the direction that nobody else wanted to go on and osama bin laden raid when everybody said don't go in and they went in. it's having an impact on how americans are looking at our war

policy. >> i think bill is right. the standard for success he gets no credit for. right now day after day if you're paying any attention, foreign policy headlines are a mess in almost every part of the world. asia has got a lot of trouble and middle east has a lot of trouble obviously. i think people have a sense right now that the administration is not necessarily on top of it and in part because of the president is focused at home. >> chuck todd, thank you so much. what is coming up on "the daily rundown" after "morning joe"? >> got a little schumer and priebus today. always interesting to hear from them. i think it's been a tough -- i don't think it's the rnc winter meeting he wanted top. >> no, i don't think so! >> i'm thinking -- >> he got a lot more -- >> the boring rule changes, chuck? >> who cares about those? >> you're talking press conference. >> there you go. >> i think he is snapping back, though. i think he is trying to lead from a place of deficit when it comes to the other thought leaders on the right that are

out there. >> there is frustration there in the party leadership. they get the grief of the stupid policy statements that members of their party make while he is trying to operationally fix the party. a tough place he is in. >> i really want samantha b. to do a reaction piece to governor huckabee's libido statements. >> tweet her. >> i know her. we met once. >> having talking to bill kristol -- >> stay out of westchester. >> the crazy women. ahead, what person in your life is your hero? >> this is great. >> got some heartfelt responses and that is next on "morning joe."

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i saw this happening over twitter this weekend. you reached out to your twitter followers and got an amazing response. the person is what person in your life is your hero and how they have made you better. betty wrote my 23-year-old son who was paralyzed in a car accident in 2009 has taught me

the meaning of faith and hope. he is my hero. paula wrote the following. you had that experience, bob, with your son. >> can relate to that, exactly. it's a miracle every time you look at your child that is born as a premie. >> all tied up in wires. >> don't know whether they are going to survive. >> i was watching these come through. it was like churning all weekend long. sara wrote my 15-year-old daughter who is the bravesest person i ever met doesn't allow autism to hold her back. it goes on and on. you put a few others out too. it was really fun to watch. very positive! i open my twitter and it's not like that. maybe i'll try to ask some nice questions instead of just read me. >> people have some remarkable stories, some positive stories,

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♪ all around the world >> all right. here with us now the ceo. globle poverty project hugh evans and debra lee finesse. you're an incredible actress. it was another hugh that was involved as well so how did you two meet? >> my husband hugh jackman, a tall guy. you might have heard of him.

>> yeah, i know him. that guy, uh-huh. >> he was a co-host of the 2020 summit in australia and my husband was hosting the event. and he invited hugh over for dinner because he said i met this great guy. he is really young and really smart so he came over for dinner. we didn't stop. i just started my campaign. >> really? >> this was in sydney maybe five years ago? >> six years ago. >> six years ago now. we talked the whole night and we got involved with deb's work and global adoption from there. >> i just started a campaign how they need to address the policies and change it up. i was like, hugh, help me, help me. i was not political at all. i was just passionate about this cause and so -- >> he is young, he's smart and he brings notes. let me see. no notes on "morning joe." he is so prepared! look at this! he looks like sam stein! >> good handwriting. >> yeah, mike huckabee,

interesting! >> keep flipping. >> libidos. are we talking about that? no. i want to hear about the project overall and the positive makeup of the world. is that a fair statement, first deborah-lee? >> women have to be at the able to address the issues that's their causes, their issues, and i think we need more women, more young women, you know, setting -- setting them up. you know, being leaders now, and the next generation will see this. i said to hugh, malala, the young girl from afghanistan, against adversity and so many horrors, she has stood up and represented all of -- all of the women. >> well, in such a simple way, too, because she's fighting for education. >> yes. >> and just something that, you know, so many kids certainly in australia, certainly in america, might take for granted is a good education. about you she's struggling just to get to school and how young girls should be educated.

you make such a valuable point with that. was this a natural fit for you two to come together, hugh, to work with -- >> what's the mission? >> -- to work with deborah-lee and align your politics? >> absolutely. it's been a natural fit from the outset. deborah-lee's passion is really about the orphan crisis and actually seeing that we address the orphan crisis worldwide and that every child deserves a family. and, also, we've been working very closely with gender equality, and, mika, you've been playing with the third metric, but it's recognized that women's me kwuequality is the key to en healthier, more educated communities. >> that was my first point. you saw that number, which is staggering. 70% of the world's poor are women. >> i know. >> what? >> they're the mothers of the kids. no wonder we have 153 million orphans at last count, and that's not a doorknock. >> and decision makers on many levels, even in parts of the world where they are obviously not treated as equals.

so what is then the focus of the mission? because there's so many different ways you could go to attack the problem that you could become diluted. >> yeah, we look at four key issues. we look at firstly maternal health. looking at the 287,000 women worldwide who lack access to basic services and issue of family planning and the 222 million who have an unmet need for family planning, and girls' education, and the 31 million girls currently denied access to education, and women's representation. all these are encompassed in the united nations millennium development goal at present, and we want to ensure that u.n. secretary general ba ki-moon prioritizes it over the next period. >> when you talk about education of young girls, and i'm not a father yet, but i think it's so important, and we've talked about children's education a lot, but educating young boys to recognize the value of young women, who then develop into

strong women. so it's not only educating women to feel self-empowered, but it's about educating the boys to recognize -- >> treat respect -- >> -- equals in women. >> exactly. this is about educating the whole population. ultimately, we need men and women at the table together. this is not one part of the dialogue, you know, versus each other. everyone has to be at the table from all colors, creeds together, discussing what does it mean for women to truly be empowered in this world. we're 2014, and we're still talking about women's equality? that's -- >> hello, equal pay. seriously. 2014. what are we talking about? >> i know. >> we're more productive than all of you put together. sorry! you know it. >> it's true. >> you know it. >> the fact is women are far more likely to invest back into their communities. >> exactly. we'll talk in the break. hugh evans and deborah-lee furness, thank you so much. wonderful to meet you. incredible what you're doing. valerie jarrett previews the

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>> very cool. good morning, everyone. it is monday, january 27th. did you all stay up and watch that? >> some of it. >> i watched this morning. >> did you? >> fast forwarded through. i saw the yoko cutaway. >> yeah. reverend al, did you see it? >> no, i was asleep. >> we're all old. with us on set, my daughter kept me up -- msnbc and "time" magazine -- >> did you watch it? >> mike halperin and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. >> you stayed up? >> i did. i was little dizzy at that point. >> ringo sang "photograph" a great song, right? >> very good. >> and i hear that was awesome. frampton on guitar. >> crowd loved him. >> that's a great song. >> beyonce at the begin ig. >> that i saw. hello. >> hard to miss. >> there's ringo. not beyonce.

that's ringo singing "photograph." and, yeah, daft punk, playing in my house, in my house. won album and record of the year. what was it? >> this is the safe part. sort of the first couple minutes. >> yeah. i didn't love it. >> puts on a show. >> she's really talented. >> intentional wardrobe malfunction. >> it was just -- >> all right, i'm tired. >> luckily it's her husband -- >> if you want to have a wardrobe malfunction with your husband, do it in your room. not while mika's kids are watching. >> well, miley cyrus twerked, and she twerked the audience. i'm not sure what's worse. >> her husband -- >> no, the audience, trust me. >> you were watching that. >> she's so talented, why do you have to do that? >> i don't get it. >> daft punk? a huge night, though. >> they had a huge, huge night. >> the robots. >> the robots. >> the acceptance speech was brief. >> all about fun.

>> fun, yeah. >> they were good. >> yeah. >> they were good? okay, i'm going to stop trying to talk. this is like me trying to do sports. >> none of them could hold -- could hold a candle to the godfather, baby. to james brown. >> that's true. i used to go sometimes to the grammys with him -- >> yeah. >> -- and none of them hold a candle to him. he used to tell me that every night. [ laughter ] >> i love it. >> he'd remind me of -- >> he reminded you of this. well, good. let's do what we do at the top of the show, which is the news. tomorrow night, president obama will deliver his state of the union address as he looks to put a year of scandals behind him. despite the full-court press by the administration, it appears the president continues to struggle with obamacare. a new "washington post"/abc news poll finds 37% of approve of his handling of the health care law. 59% disapprove. that's down from the beginning

of 2011 when 43% approved of the law. meanwhile, 63% have little confidence in his ability to make the right decisions about the country's future. 37% say they have confidence in the president, which is significantly higher than republicans in congress. 80% of americans do not have confidence in the gop, including 36% of self-identified republicans. overall, 27% have faith in democrats in congress. 72% do not. as far as overall approval goes, 46% agree with what the president is doing in office. 50% disapprove. that's a new low for the president heading into the state of the union. it is also close to president bush's approval ratings, entering his sixth year in ofgs, and notably lower than presidents clinton and reagan. >> mark halperin, you look through all of these. there are a lot of things to look at. but the warning signs obviously

for the president, the health care law still unpopular, the handles'ings in the 30s, very low, and very low for confidence in the direction that the president's handling, you know, heading, and his ability to make the right decisions for the country. very bad news for the president. and then you look at the republican numbers. 80%. 80%. 4 out of 5 people surveyed do not trust the republican party right now. they're not winners in this poll. but president obama at 46%, the overall number, i'd say in these days that's pretty solid. >> given what the -- >> given what he's been through. >> 46%. you dig inside those numbers, though, and a lot of very disturbing numbers for him. and again, i keep going back to that 80% for republicans. that's just about as bad as it gets. i don't know that i've ever heard of any party being held in such low esteem. that 80% don't have confidence in them. >> it's hard to get that high,

even if you try. >> for a political party. >> it's hard. >> that has dominated the political landscape for, you know, a good chunk -- >> and maybe controlling both chambers of congress not that far from here. look, 46% is a great floor to have, given the circumstances, i think the president is poised, if he has a good speech and a good couple of weeks, poised to get back towards 50, which, again, under the circumstances is pretty good. he has to find a way to have the national conversation in terms of his on agenda and the midterms about something besides health care. it's got to be about something else. if you look at what he plans to talk about the state of the union, i don't see anything obvious that will replace health care, but he needs something. >> -- wed to health care, and it's not going to work for him. they can say all they want to say, just -- i'm saying the same thing to them that i said to ted cruz and the republicans when the government shut down, you can be wed to it, defunding obamacare, republicans were, as much as you want to be wed to it, go back to 2009, go back to

2010, the approval ratings have been in the 30s for a good bit of that time, and they get absolutely wiped out in the 2010 midterm elections, and risk getting wiped out in the 2014 midterm elections if they keep obsessing on the health care law that americans don't like. it's not ideological. look at the numbers. they don't like it. you know what? shoot the messenger all you want. 37%, 36% approve of the president on health care. and this is what they're defined by. >> in an election year, reverend sharpton, you'll hear about obamacare in every race, every district in the country. that's just a fact. >> yeah. >> so running on and running for obamacare is not a winning formula for most democrats. what does the president do tomorrow night at the state of the union to lay out not just this year, but the rest his three years? he has a lot of his presidency left, a long way to go. if you look a year ago, in the mid-50s, it was about a month after newtown, a feeling that something big would happen on gun control. that didn't happen. syria got in the way.

the health care rollout got in the way. that's where he is now. how does he sort of restart this presidency? >> i think several things. i think the 46%, i agree, is, in my opinion, higher than i would have thought given what we -- where we were at. >> yeah. >> so he doesn't have as deep to go as one would think. i think that the obamacare, affordable care act, might not be, as joe says, good politics, but a lot of people in his base, including me, feel it's good policy, because a lot of people have signed up. where he goes is the jobs and economy and the disparity between those at the top and those at the bottom. and if he can make this in many ways making america fairer for the average american family, i think that gives a problem to a party that is 80% distrusted. you have to remember their

challenge is how they come up from a subbasement position. his challenge is how he comes up from the floor. i'd rather be on the floor than the subbasement. >> of course, democrats are at 72%, as well, in congress. >> yeah. >> so they're still fairly low, as well. but i'm wondering, do you hope your democratic party can move away from having to defend the affordable care act, or obamacare, over the next year? like i wanted my party to get away from the singular obsession of defunding obamacare, because it wasn't going to happen. >> i think that i would like to see the party defend it more -- in a more clear term. see, i think we keep talking about the politics of health care rather than the policy and talk about how people really need health coverage. i think the defense has been misspoken, as more than the fact it's indefensible. >> well, and, also, i think what's interesting, and we'll

get to something that really is interesting that happened on "meet the press" yesterday in just a second, but what's interesting here is that the conversation started about what the president needs to do next. and he has -- they have the -- the white house has released some information in terms of what he's going to address in terms of how to ep had the long-term unemployed and jobs, and we found ourselves talking about obamacare, which i don't think he's going to be highlighting in his state of the union and touting. it's been certainly a problem for the administration. but it is his promise. and those who believe in it really believe in it. and down the road, i think it will be a winner. >> you could say that about those who believed in ted cruz's hopes to defund obamacare -- >> no, come on. >> no, i'm telling you, go back to 2009. this is a losing issue, at least it has been -- >> but remember we're in an age of microtargeting, they're going to turn out poor voters in arkansas, direct-mail, phone calls, voter-to-voter contact,

and they're going to run on obamacare in plenty of places, but they need a national public message for advertising and what the public is talking about. but obama will turn out votes below the radar. >> maybe it will. maybe it will. and maybe this will be a winninger shoe two, three, four years from now. it doesn't look like it is right now. >> okay. senator rand paul is trying to reframe the context of the so-called war on women. and on "meet the press," he argued the narrative had been concocted by democrats saying women in america are increasingly successful in the working world. >> this whole sort of war on women thing, i'm scratching my head because if there was a war on women, i think they won. you know, the women in my family are incredibly successful. i have a niece at cornell vet school, and 85% of the women are women. and law school, 60%. democrats, one of the big

issues, they have concocted and said republicans are creating a war on women. one of the workplace rules that are good is bosses shouldn't prey on young interns in their office, and i think really the media seems to be -- have given president clinton a pass on this. he took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office. there is no excuse for that, and that is predatory behavior, and it should be -- it should be something we shouldn't want to associate with people who would take advantage of a young girl in his office. this isn't having an affair. i mean, this isn't me, saying, oh, he's had an affair. someone who takes advantage of a young girl in their office? i mean, really. and then they have the gall to stand up and say republicans are having a war on women? so, yes, i think it's a factor. it's not hillary's fault. >> but it should be an issue -- >> but it is a factor in judging bill clinton in history. >> now, we've got to put this in context now. so he did not just bring up --

because i hear the monica stuff, and i'm immediately, oh, god, let's not go back to 1998. >> well, it's been -- >> you say he was actually asked bush did. >> willie geist is on for the specific quote, but i believe he was asked first about -- remarks his wife had made, in a print interview. >> about what? >> about bill clinton and lewinsky, i believe that's how that started. but he, as mika pointed out, he continued to come back to it somewhat aggressively. >> oh, he doubled down several times. i mean, it's unbelievable that we are in 2014 and he goes back there to defend the war on women accusation against the republicans. and, you know, i think that it is absolutely outrageous to act like what happened in '98 with bill clinton is a woman's policy by the democratic party or a policy statement by bill clinton. i think it's outrageous. and i think for rand paul to do

that is a real sign of political desperation. >> so, mika, what do you think about the whole thing? >> i think that was a sign of political desperation, because he doubled down so many times on it, and it was very targeted. and it just seemed out of place. having said that, i've always been torn about how easily bill clinton has been treated about this whole thing. i mean, he -- >> listen, by the -- by the same women's groups -- >> hold on. >> -- pounced on clarence thomas. >> hold on a second. >> yeah, no doubt about it. >> you can't deny that that was reprehensible, what happened, and defied so many morals that we stand by in this country in terms of how you treat women, other people's children, reverend al -- >> no, first of all, i don't -- i don't -- >> -- got off pretty clean.

>> -- i don't think bill clinton disagrees that what he did was wrong. i think we're dealing with bill clinton is not in the political discussion today. if the shot is to try to bring this back up to take a shot at hillary clinton, i think her posture is much different -- >> so let's ask this question, because, first of all, i never bring that stuff up in a gazillion years, because it was such an ugly chapter in our history. it's like the iraq war in 2003. there's just some things, we fought those battles, let's let them go. that said -- and hillary -- hillary's probably going to run. if hillary clinton attacks the republican party's handling of women and treatment of women and disrespect for women and suggests they're misogynistic,

et cetera, et cetera, it does seem to be a fair question to ask right now a few years out, does the media have a responsibility to say, well, let's see what happened when you were in the white house and how women were treated when you're in the governor's mansion and in the white house, is that fair? >> there's one -- >> by the way, i would never bring it up again. >> right. >> in a gazillion years, but does this not compromise hillary clinton's ability to bash republicans as being terrible towards women, misogynistic -- >> i think it's a legitimate argument. >> if you want to be the republican nominee, you have one then to prove, that you can beat hillary clinton. that's what all republican voters are looking at. >> rand paul didn't prove it yesterday with that interview. >> what he did was he gave republicans notice on three things. one, that he will take on the clintons aggressively. two, he will fight on the war on women, and fight back in a way they'd like. and, three, that for him,

playing offense, is something he'll do. he'll just generally be on offense, because he was on the defensive topic. that may not win a general election, and it may offend some people's sensibilities, but right now, if you want to be the republican nominee, you have one responsibility. you have one thing you have to prove to voters. you can and are take her on aggressively. sdmch [ overlapping speakers ] >> what about my question, though? >> fair game? >> not what he said. if hillary clinton attacks republicans as being misogynistic or terrible towards women, does the media have a responsibility to ask her what happened in the white house when she was there for eight years, and when she was in the arkansas governor's mansion? >> the media does, and the republicans will. and that'll drive a lot of the media questioning, because republicans cannot see the female vote to her. they just can't. >> it could backfire. >> it probably will backfire. >> hillary clinton could also take the posture that are you now saying that women are responsible for the behavior of their husbands? >> thank you.

>> and corrally women voters. i dare the republicans to take that to her, because if i'm her, i would dribble, hit the backboard and score a three-pointer from way out. because she was the wife in this. >> yeah. >> she was not one that i would want to mess with -- >> that's why i brought up the media -- >> and still is. >> that's why i brought up the media, it's a loser for the republicans. >> it made me wince. >> it's a loser today. people don't want to talk about that. that's why i asked the question, does the media have a responsibility to ask these questions, because i think politically it's an absolute loser for the republican party. and it has been. that's why i can't believe rand paul even brought it up. >> they will struggle for a strategy to take her on. there's a reason why we think she's formidable. >> coming up on "morning joe," we'll check in with mike allen, plus john mccain is centered.

it's getting ridiculous, so much for a nice, mild winter. one of the coldest januarys on record, going back 100 years or so, in a few spots in wisconsin and minnesota. speaking of the midwest, this is the navy pier near chicago. i mean, this looks like an icy arctic wonderland. new york city, some rain showers and a mild day for you. that's not going to last. let's take you into who's got a little bit of snow this morning. this is the arctic front building through new york state, pennsylvania, and down through west virginia. that'll sweep through the eastern seaboard today, maybe a quick snow shower or rain showers and the cold air will rush in. look how cold it is this morning. minus 19 chicago. indianapolis, minus 18. the worst of it is in minnesota and wisconsin. all of cold air moves south. the big story tuesday, wednesday, we're going to get snow and ice in the deep south, from eastern north carolina all the way to houston. the timing of it does appear tuesday afternoon, tuesday night, and then wednesday morning, you're going to wake up to a winter wonderland in eastern north carolina. a few spots could get 4 to 8 inches of snow in an area that

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♪ time to look at the morning papers. "the baltimore sun." police continue to investigate why a young man opened fire in a maryland mall. on saturday, 19-year-old darion marcus aguilar walked into the skate shop zumiez, killing two

people and then took his own life. authorities say they found a bag filled with ammunition and homemade explosives. police say aguilar bought his shotgun legally in maryland. the mall is expected to reopen later today. and "the star ledger" a cruise ship returning to the united states two days early after a highly contagious stomach bug left 600 passengers sick. >> ooh. >> reported symptoms are similar to the noro virus. the royal caribbean ship was carrying 4,000 passengers and crew members and departed from new jersey last week, the ship was destined for the u.s. virgin islands. the "wall street journal," google is adding to its arsenal of start-ups. the company purchased an artificial intelligence company for a reported $500 million. the london-based company, deep mind, is set to have technology in which computer disteach themselves without human input.

this marks google's largest european-based acquisition to date. and "the telegraph," symbolic piece -- >> please show the children. >> pope francis released two white doves in an annual tradition. one was attacked by a passing seagull. the other was attacked by a black crow. the pope then embrace add boy who joined him during the prayer while another child next to him laughed. >> that's terrible. >> that is terrible. >> that's terrible. the "washington post" -- that's horrible -- the "washington post," the postal service is raising its prices to help recover some of its losses from the economic downturn. the three-cent hike went into effect yesterday making it the largest increase in more than a decade. the price also remain in place for two years. and the "arizona daily star" republicans in arizona censured john mccain for being too liberal. they're no longer going to support him, calling the voting

record disastrous and harmful. it has no effect on the senator. mccain is considering to seek his sixth senate term. the "new york post," beard craze appears to be sweeping the nation. >> you're talking actual beards. >> ooh. proctor & gamble cites the rapidly growing facial hair trend for dwindling sales for gillette. the company specified the -- specifically mentioned mo-vember, the mo-vember movement, and -- >> willie has destroyed gillette. >> seriously? >> one-man wrecking crew. >> -- down 16%. ooh. >> let's go to mike allen, the chief white house correspondent at politico. he has a look at the playbook. leading politico, washington's acontinues to deficits disorder, as you call it. another debt fight around the corner. where do both parties stand on the issue, and is it still an

issue that's the center of the conversation? >> willie, over the next week, we'll hear a lot of patting themselves on the back from both partying. we'll have the president's state of the union tomorrow, where he'll talk about progress ahead, what he's already done. the republicans have their retreat coming up at the end of the week. they're going to talk about unified they are and how smart politically they are. but here's a reality check. the hard issues are all being ignored this year. next month with they have to raise the debt ceiling, the republicans are going to ask something for it, we heard on the shows yesterday. mitch mcconnell, senator ted cruz, saying they want something. but, willie, they're going to ask for changes to obamacare, not anything that would deal with long-term drivers of the debt. >> politico's mike allen, thank you very much. coming up, matt lauer sits down with jay leno and jimmy fallon, as nbc ushers in a new era for "the tonight show." that's next on "morning joe." ♪

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♪ there are some big changes coming to the "tonight show" as jimmy fallon prepares to take over for jay leno. >> did you see he that interview on "60 minutes"? >> yeah.

>> jay leno -- >> he's there. >> willie, he's still not -- he's not ready to go. >> he's not ready to go. he said that specifically. he said it's always better to be working. he has great respect. he loves jimmy. steve kroft made that exact point. >> it's what he said about -- >> he's number one. >> all right, boys, making trouble. they sat down with nbc's matt lauer to talk about the future of the iconic show. >> this could have been awkward. >> oh, yeah. >> history has shown this can be awkward. >> yeah, yeah. >> how much effort has it taken not to make it awkward? >> oh, i would say hardly any effort at all. >> no effort. >> no effort at all. i mean, this time i was asked. the last time, i was sort of told, this is what's happening. >> if he wasn't here, would i still be here? probably. you know, another year or so. >> are you ready to hand over the keys? >> of course. of course. yes, yes. please. no problem.

♪ tonight, tonight who cares who hosts tonight ♪ >> what's this relationship like? >> i think it's a professional relationship. i think i really admire him as a comic. i think he's a good performer -- the first time i saw neil young, without, good lip-synching, and it was really him. he captured the essence of the guy, and that's what comedy is. ♪ so intense so long ♪ >> i admire his professionalism and his ability to do comedy. >> that was nice. no pressure. >> stop that! >> coming from the man, my gosh. i mean, obviously, i look up to jay. and we talk every couple weeks or something like that. and i just -- and i just love his attention to detail, and how he roots for me, all throughout late night, whatever -- whatever, he'll give advice if i ask advice. or i saw that one piece, it was great. >> do you expect to be welcomed in to some kind of fraternity,

or do you think the competition is so important that it's going to be a little tense with those other guys? >> i don't think for me, i think there's going to be -- there's never anything tense. [ exaggerated coughing ] excuse me, i'm sorry. >> can we get jay more water? a different type of water. >> he doesn't think there will be anything tense? >> oh, ridiculous. >> really? >> i mean, maybe i have a lot to learn. >> here's johnny! >> was he your carson? my carson was carson, because that's how old i am. and his carson was carson. was he your carson? >> my carson was carson daly. >> yeah. >> and here he is! jimmy fallon! >> i think he's probably the closest to johnny of anybody else in the late night. you know duet with justin timberlake, you know, i couldn't do that.

i write jokes. >> i try to mix everything i've ever tried to learn into the show when i can, because i was trying to keep people watching and keeping the show alive. >> you think this is going to be different on the day you go from your show to this show? do you expect a major change in your life, or is it just going to be a different time slot? >> i don't know what to expect. i don't know. if it's going to be any different, or what. because i remember i talked to you, i said, i'm loving it, and i go, it's great, no one bothered me, but it's like no one knows i'm doing t i'm just very happy with it. he said, enjoy it, buddy, and you're doing a good job, and with this one, i feel like there's more eyeballs. >> sometime when is kids go off to college or summer camp, their dad or their mom will write them a note and they'll stick it in the suitcase, so they find it

when they get where they're going. i'm going to ask you to do me a favor, both of you. >> all right. >> all right. >> i'll start with you. dear jimmy -- >> don't do any joke you don't believe in. i would say never put your personal opinion ahead of the joke. johnny never did that. >> dear jay. >> i'd say, dear jay, i hope i make you proud. >> jimmy fallon will make his debut as host of "the tonight show" on february 17th. >> boy, that's going to be great. he's a great guy. >> yeah. up next, what's driving today's markets? michelle caruso-cabrera joins us for "business before the bell." keep it right here on "morning joe."

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♪ after decades in the music business, herb alpert is still on top, taking home a grammy last night for best pop instrumental album. >> that's unbelievable.

fewer people have had a wider impact on music. his band, tijuana brass, and the record libel, a.m., helped to launch careers of peter frampton, the police, i can go on and on and on, but music isn't the only art alpert produces. i sat down with him to talk about his record-breaking career. so you are actually burt bacharach and hall davis' number one, you're the trumpeter singing. >> it was by accident. i was doing a tv show for nbc. >> right. >> and jack haley jr., the director, said, why don't you try singing a song instead of me photographing you with the trumpet in your mouth all the time. >> mm-hmm. >> and i had a friend by the name of burt bacharach. >> a good friend to have. >> yeah. i called him, i said, burt, is there a song you find yourself whistling in the shower, or

recorded, maybe didn't get the right recording -- >> yeah. >> anyways, he isn't me "this girl's in love with you" recorded by dionne warwick. >> right. >> and i loved the song. i felt i could handle it as a vocalist. obviously, hall david needed to make some changes in the lyric, change the gender, et cetera. i asked him as i was leaving his place, is there a song, by the way, you know, you didn't get the right recording, you find yourself whistling in the shower, blah, blah, blah, and he sent me "close to you." >> oh, my god, yeah. >> which i was going to do as a follow-up to -- >> tell me about the story carpenters, you brought up "close to you." you were a fan from the start. >> i learned something from sam cooke years ago, and he said, man, people are listening to a cold piece of wax, and it either makes it, and if it gets you, great, if it doesn't, move on. so that's the way i listened all the time when i was auditioning,

you know, new groups. so this tape came on. i was in my office, sitting back, and all of a sudden, karen's voice sounded like it was, like, right next to me on my lap. when i signed the carpenters, and for the first eight months or so, they were cold. >> mm-hmm. >> they didn't sell records, and my own -- the people in my own company were thinking, man, why did you sign these kids? too soft. too middle of the road. radio is not attracted to emthis. and i gave them "close to you." and people in my own company who were, like, scoffing me for signing them, said, mm, this guy's not so dumb after all. >> let's go back to the beginning, though. you talked about sam cooke. talk about how you got into the business. >> well, lou adler and i were partners, and we wrote some songs, taken them to around to various publishing companies, and one company, we went to specialty records. and sonny bono was the director

of -- >> i knew sonny in congress. that had to be a trip. >> this was in 1957. >> yeah. >> so sonny listened to the songs we had, and he gave us some advice. he says, i think you guys ought to get out of the business, man. he was very discouraging. >> yeah. >> he said, you guys, you don't really have it. >> yeah. >> i learned a heck of a lot from sam. sam was a genius. sam had something really -- >> was he really? >> yeah, he was a genius. he had this magical touch. he would come in with a notebook full of lyrics, and he'd show me a lyric, what do you think. and i'm thinking to myself, man, this is really trite. you know, the cokes are in the icebox, let's have a party. i said, how does -- what's the song like? how does it go? he'd pick up his guitar, and all of a sudden, he would transform this thing, you know, some of our greatest artists, take billie holiday, didn't have the

magical, great voice, but wow, what a feeling. it's all about feel. >> yeah. >> the lesson that i learned from sam was he was auditioning an artist for his label. he had label called sar. and this guy comes in, really good-looking guy, green eyes from the caribbean, with his guitar, and puts his foot up on the box and started singing and playing. and i'm falling in love with the whole feeling, you know, and sam said, well, what do you think? i said, i think the guy's really great. you should sign him. he said turn your back on this guy for five minutes and let me know what you think. i was in the control room, and this guy was in the studio. i turned my chair around, and i didn't feel it. >> wow. >> and that's when he said, man, it doesn't matter what you look like, you know, it doesn't matter black, white, or what kind of echo chamber you're using. >> right. >> you know, it has to feel good. >> you go through the list of just the huge acts that you launched, did it always -- did

you always stay personally connected to it? was there a time there were too many artists, too many business deals and, like, for instance, you read the newspaper and find out that a&m signed the sex pistols for a week or two, something i didn't know. at some point, it stopped being so personal and it became this all-consuming business. >> oh, yeah, the two of us in my garage. three, five, ten, you know, by the time we ended up, we had 500 people. >> oh, my god, yeah. >> i lost contact with the whole feeling of it. you know, a&r staff, and it was -- it was fun on a different level. it didn't have that person touch. jerry and i would say, you know, i'd walk in, i'd want to sign the carpenters, and he'd say, yeah, great, sign them. it wasn't like you took a vote. >> tell me about music today, the music scene, weather, pro tools and online file sharing

and basically being able to distribute your own song as a 15-year-old kid, you know, brooklyn. is that a good thing? have we become so splintered that the music scene's almost too -- it's sort -- >> no, i think the internet presents a great opportunity for artists that know how to get around it. if you come up with something that's unique, if you can dance like michael jackson or do something special, you can get seen and heard. i think, though, it took a big turn with mtv, you know, i think, because people started -- stopped listening with their ears and started listening with their eyes. >> herb's wife is a star in her own right. the lead singer in brazil 66, it was that band that led her to herb. >> six months after i joined the group, we auditioned for a&m records, the group auditioned for a recording contract. >> yeah.

>> and herb alpert and jerry moss walked into the room, and i sang, and the group performed, and they just fell in love with the sound of the brazilian sound, brazilian rhythms, the sound of portuguese, and herb thought that not only did we get a record contract, but he felt that brastill 66 would be a great opening act. >> i was going to say, what a complement to your sound. >> yeah. and it was the biggest group in the world at the time. >> right. >> so we did that, so we literally went from playing to maybe 70 or 80 people in nightclubs to overnight, because we opened the show for herb, singing in front of 20,000 people. >> brasil '66, really touched me for the first year. >> you always said you're looking for what's not on the radio. >> yeah, always looking for what's not on the radio, thank

you. >> yeah. >> and you started your own solo career. >> yes. >> in the early '70s. >> yeah, i left brasil '66 in '71 because i was in love. >> yeah, a good reason to leave. >> i was on the road 11 months out of the year, and you can't have a relationship like that. so i quit the group to see if our relationship was the real deal. >> that's when she stopped calling mr. alpert. >> yeah. >> you got involved. how did it start? >> i picked up painting, canvas, and stay rted moving acrylic paints around like a monkey. >> mm-hmm. >> and had fun. it was for my own pleasure. and little by little, i realized that, man, i was doing that every day. i really enjoy doing that. i've been painting for over 40 years now, and sculpting for over 30. >> compare the two. >> well, they're very similar to making music. you know, i start with a blank canvas, and it develops and started doing, you know, these

18-foot tote ms that had a jazz quality to it, spontaneous quality. i've always been fascinated by the mystery of art, whether it's music, paintings, sculpting, dancing, poetry, what is that thread that works for some people and some people not so well. you stand ten people in front of a sculpture, a painting, and you know what you're going to get. you get five people saying, are you kidding, man, i could do that. >> yeah. >> people say, that's marvelous, and two will say, why is it here? >> yeah. >> you know, it's all subjective. and i think that's the beauty of it. it's, like, what makes -- why do i like a louis armstrong solo? i couldn't put that in words. put anybody's art in words. it's a feel. so art has to resonate in the soul, not in the -- not in the eyes. >> alpert's work is on display now in new york city's dante park through april 15th. coming up next, what, if anything, did we learn today.

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