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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down! >> located in the deep south, holloman correction alpha silty. we spent months documenting on the inside where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lineup holman, extended stay."
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prison is a lonely place for any inmate. relationships that existed on the outside are strained. >> if she wants to call it off, then tell me. let me know something. >> the one that is blossom within the prison walls are dangerous. >> i cannot stop these guys from coming after you. you know that regardless, someone is going to make a play for you. >> or they can be a one-sided obsession, leading to nothing but trouble. >> i don't know what you got in your head. let it go. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> the holman correction alpha silty is home to 1,000 inmates, all of whom are categorized by their behavior. the best behaved are in the honor dorm.
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inmates who behave badly are sent to the administrative segregation unit. >> segregation is an area we have 200 inmates. all these inmates are individually celled and all here because they broke a rule here in prison. >> human contact in segregation is limited and interaction with others is minimum. this can take its toll on an inmate physically and mentally. >> they have been in single cells for a long time. they build up hostilities. it's a highly explosive area. >> i did not do what they said i did. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> right now! >> it's another typical day. it's part of it. >> these officers work here on a
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daily basis, they deal with these inmates and you build up a relationship with these inmates. some are good, some are not so good. >> most people say when i started i wouldn't make it three days. so i had a point to prove and i proved it. then they said i wouldn't make sergeant and if i did, i wouldn't be successful. i made another point and i proved it. everything about it is a challenge. it's not a normal job where you learn something and do it. nothing is ever the same. you make a decision today for one incident. tomorrow may be the same incident, but you have to make a
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different decision. >> working in ad seg, she had to work with many problematic inmates. >> put me in michelle, nobody going bl[ bleep ] over my head. >> i deal with his issues only. bobby gilbert, i don't have problems with. i know the problems other people have. >> does he give you a particular problem? >> yes. >> who? >> terrence mosley. >> come look at it. come look at it. >> you ain't got nothing to see. >> he says he's obsessed with me. he would do anything for me. >> didn't you get in trouble all weekend. >> he likes to masturbate at the
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same time, all the time. >> didn't you show yourself this weekend to the officer? they ain't going to let you if you leave the door open. you expose yourself to the officers. it's wrong, why you keep doing that? [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> he don't want to see another man all [ bleep ]. that's like the worst form of respect, if you ask me. >> you ain't got nothing to see. >> now with female, if it's a female that excites me sexually, you know what i'm saying, i tend to take a liking to them, right? she said i was masturbating. a lot of people around here,
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they ain't against homosexual activity. it's cool to a lot of people. i ain't participating. they can say what they want to say. i'm going to continue to masturbate. there's a thing i got for women, you know what i'm saying? i have to go through all this. it's difficult, i like women. >> coming up next on "lock up extended stay," a sour relationship lands this man in prison. >> my ex-husband, my deceased husband was just standing there. >> later, terrance mosley reaches the breaking point.
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>> open up. >> they're brought into a
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disciplinary hearing to determine their punishment. >> correctional officer, for possession of contraband. circumstance violations are as follows. inmate did have in your possession, two set of dice. one red and one white and one tube of lipstick. do you wish to plead guilty or not guilty? >> i plead guilty. >> sign that right there. >> you know you are released from segregation pending the review board, right? take him and put him back in his cell. i recommend loss of visitation privileges. >> the dice they will lose
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something. the lipstick comes to the homosexual activity that goes on within the facility. fry to keep that done to as little as we can keep it down to. it causes them to want to fight over the homosexuals. most of the time when you have an incident it will be something to do with fighting over cards. dice, they'll fight over a homosexual relationship. >> i am a complex about being called gay or homosexual. okay, i know i was born a male. i know that. that i do know. but i live as a woman. i see myself as a woman. i like to be respected and dressed as a woman. my ex-husband was
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overprotective. he insisted on beating on me. beating me, beating me. i manipulated to get away from him. ran up to the kitchen. you know they had this, the biggest handle that i seen i grabbed it. and -- ran outside. he was standing there. i just stabbed him. i stabbed him again. they grabbed me. i was covered in blood. they called the police. i still had the knife in my hand. they came. they retrieved the knife. and -- handcuffed me. i -- been locked up ever since.
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>> once locked up, marcus was quick to develop prison romances and is currently on her third prison marriage. >> i see him as a man, a straight man, that's how i see it. you know? he is a man. he is my husband. i am a woman, i am his wife. >> let me wrap my hair down. >> we exchanged vows. he opened his heart to me the i opened my heart to him. we vowed to be best friends. for life. >> marcus' husband is new to prison relationships and asked his identity not be revealed. >> i have a son, 20 years old. i feel he want understand the situation right now. that is the only reason the my identity is hidden. i never thought in a million years i would be in a
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relationship like this. in prison, it seems like she its the woman, i am the man. she is gay. on the inside. she is gay. i am gay. i still haven't been able to accept that. >> i am his first. i am his first prison wife. and i can understand why he is a little shaky about it. you know what i am saying? >> marcus is in ad seg for getting into a fight with an inmate. while she is there she is not allowed to communicate with her husband. >> the hardest thing about being in lockup is not being able to sit and talk to him. he is just, he is, my everything. he is my everything. >> if you could say anything, what would that be, tell me that?
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>> i would let her know that i love him. miss him. and am waiting on him. >> in order to get out of ad seg. marcus must be put on release list. one of the people that can put her on the list is deputy patterson. >> let me out of this lockup to beep with my best friend. >> what is it, marcus? >> june 14th you will have your 90 days. we can consider you for population. as long as you didn't have an enemy situation do. you have an enemy situation. >> let me see your hands. cut them nails. >> yes, sir. >> i will be so glad when they let me out of this lockup.
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i am going to give him the best life he can imagine. >> coming up -- >> because it hurts. >> marcus pleads with the ward tine be let out of ad-seg. >> i learned my lesson. >> i ain't convinced right now though.
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>> inmates in the administration unit have one hour of rec time a day. with few opportunities to communicate with one another the they invent ingenious ways to have conversations with their friend.
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allen clark has been transferred to holman and hasn't formed any friendships with the inmates there. but does have a relationship on the outside. >> for 15 years i didn't have anybody to come see me, write me or anything like this. and then came [ bleep ]. she is, she is a darling. you snow she is, she is, she is the love of my life. i miss her something terrible. you just wouldn't believe. i really miss her. last year, and in september, i became real sick. i had been sick all that day. when i got to the infirmary. they took my blood pressure and fund that it was real, real low. and, they rushed me to the emergency room. but, i met a nurse there.
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and when she walked into the room, and she made eye contact. i knew she was going to be my girl. you know. when we started seeing each other. i said, i have life without parole. i may not ever get out. and she told me, she says, you let me worry about that. finally, down in the visiting yard up here. she come to see me. i got down on my knee. i asked her would you marry me? she said yes. i said okay i will put in a request for marriage. so i did. as the it stands. last count. the chaplain said i was ninth in line. >> alan must wait on letters. before he opens his mail it must
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undergo a screening process. >> good morning, holman mail room. if it doesn't have dorm numbers. s numbers. can't have it. doesn't have a name on the return address. they can't have it. doesn't have a return address at all. they can't have it. they're not allowed to have any kind of nude pictures. pictures that are sexually explicit. that's not allowed. when i was going through the mail, i, i was looking at the envelope. and i notice it was like a big sticker. i took the letter opener. peeled it. and when i did. nude picture. i was like, okay, well that's rejected. at first, i was like, okay. the nudity pictures, now it really don't bother me.
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i am used to it. it is like a normal routine. i go through it. okay. reject it. we had one woman, three weeks in a row, purposely hid her nude pictures behind card. open them, glue them down. paste them behind pictures of her children. that, that's a great one. i love that one. she kept doing that. i mean it was every day. i was opening them. i took it to the warden. and he, he banned her from corresponding for 90 days with him. she has to write for per motion to start writing him again. he took away visitation rights. when it goes to the extreme measure. they learn, i can't do this. can't get it by. they let ate len. don't do it too much any more. >> we are in the room. waiting on your arrival.
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>> meanwhile, marcus thomas has been writing the warden. he granted her a meeting. she hopes to be reunited with her husband. >> he's maintaining. it's hard for him. he want me out there with him. just as bad as i need to be out there with him. we have been writing each other, back and forth. but i mean, really, we just, we just haven't had enough communication. with each other. i really don't know. i am not there with him. i don't know. >> marcus, what is up with you? >> they want to do an interview with me. >> you want to be interviewed? >> the question.
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what question did they ask you? >> if i have seen [ bleep ]. >> that caused you to cry? because they asked you if you had seen [ bleep ]. >> because they asked you if you had seen [ bleep ], it hurt you. >> oh, my goodness. >> it hurts. i swear. >> marcus. marcus. marcus. you are not going to win any academy award. quit that crying. i don't want to hear you crying. i am going to go on back. they wanted to talk about you being released to general pop. i am not going to listen to you cry about some other damn man. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> last time you were in population, how long did you stay? three, four months. both of the times, you called yourself being with one individual, yes or no? >> yes, sir. >> you call yourself being with one individual. do you not have people coming after you all of the time?
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yes, or no? yes or no? >> well, yes. >> whether you say they're your problems or not. i cannot stop these guys from coming after you. you know that regardless, somebody is going to make a play for you. why should i turn you out to pop. >> please. just give me a chance. >> don't beg me. i don't want you to beg me. >> give me one reason why i should turn you out to pop? >> because i made a change. i am not coming back to lockup. i promise i am not coming back. please. just let me show you. >> i'm i'll think about it. i ain't convinced right now. the reason i am not convinced. in the past, your past tells me itch you go to general population, you have 60, 90 days in general population. there will be problems. that's what history tells me.
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>> bet you are wrong this time. i bet you are wrong. >> listen. >> it's unfair. it's unfair. >> coming up -- terrence mosley gets written up again. this time not for indecent exposure. >> alan clark's fiancée may be getting cold feet. >> i asked her if she was still interested in getting married. would you look to hear how the conversation went?
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>> i have jesus and angels. devil on this side. freddy krueger, medusa and things like that. scar face. two 45s. and solder holster.
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and then i have, i came, i saw, conquered in latin. i want to go get the rest of my chest covered. have the whole shirt. whenever i get out i will work on the rest of it. >> after six weeks our crew went to check up on terrence. the inmate repeatedly exposed himself to officers. we weren't prepared for what happened next. >> [ bleep ]. >> you wanted to say something. >> i did, [ bleep ], look here, [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. what's wrong with you? >> come on, let's go. >> the reason he did this because on ape particular day,-i had to use force with the baton.
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i hit his arm. he told me then he would get me. this particular day, tear response mosley, he threw the tray in my face. so i guess today he got me. >> what started as an obsession with sergeant banks escalated into a grudge match between terrence moseley and officer montgomery. >> i don't know what to do with terrence mosley, he has been a problem. he got to officers on the third shift. same way with you. you had a problem with him before. i don't know what the solution is, for that individual. if we can find any way to get him to start complying with the rules and quit being such a troublemaker. we are past the day where we can roll the door. we have to find ways to get him to comply.
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hope for the best. hopeful he come around the i don't see the hope for it right now. >> while officers hope to change his be have ever for the best. another inmate's future may have taken a turn for the worse. >> alan clark is in lockup. an inmate we will go see. he didn't know whether his fiancee was going to marry him or not. he was under the impression that, they were okay. but apparently she hadn't returned any letters when he had written her. so, apparently there was something wrong. he had me call her, to find out if they still wanted to get married. alan. have you got a second? you know what this is about, have you had an opportunity to talk to [ bleep ]. >> no, i haven't heard from her. >> you told me to give her a call.
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concerning you getting married. i called her. and i was talking to her the she sounded pretty upset. and, i had asked her if she was still interested in getting married. she said, married? i said, yeah, alan has been wanting to get married for a while i understand it. i want to see if you guys would look to get married. she said, in emphatic terms, absolutely not. so i don't know -- all that sits. apparently she is upset. did you know she didn't want to get married? >> yeah, she is the one that asked me. you know what i am saying. she told me to put in the application for the marriage. that's the reason why i come to you and asked you about, about, going about getting married. >> what do you think changed her mind? >> i have no idea. >> she is, noticing, noticeably
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upset. yeah. yeah. i need to straighten that out. miscommunication has taken place. >> definitely. all right. >> apparently she is mad at me for some reason. i don't know. i don't know why she is mad at me. this its news to me. you know? she is the one that asked me to -- to get the ball rolling on getting the marriage going, you know. and, you know, i don't know what, what happened. >> coming up. terrence mosley's problems forces the warden to take matters into his own hand. >> come to the agreement if you can keep your nose clean, then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that. @ñ
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>> for marcus thomas, another meal in administrative segregation is another meal without her husband. >> every day. fourth. i mean, something changed. i can't say. i don't really know. it's stressful for him as the it is for me.
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some times i just wish that it could be me and the one that i love. wait, just me and him. away from all of this. nonsense you know. i am just praying that he remains until i get there. >> while marcus thomas struggles with life in ad-seg. her husband is struggling with whether this will succeed as a long term relationship. >> i am having a lot of mixed feelings. five, six months from now. who knows, and see always have to have a man. supporting you know what i'm saying? and you know, that, that lesson, mentally, that's, you know, we separate, see how they be with another man. we have been in the relationship two years, couple months. but i really can't say, like i said.
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anytime we can be, going our separate ways. >> alan clark is being moved to another cell in ad-seg. it has been nearly two weeks since the chaplain told him his fiancée seems to have moved on. >> communication from her. >> not as yet. i wrote her two letters. if she wants to call it off, that's fine. you know, but, but, tell me. you know? don't, don't -- you know, let me know something. i don't really know what is going on. >> maintaining relationships can be difficult. but just getting into them can prove to be dangerous.
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inmate marian dent has been sent to the hospital for hitting on the wrong man. >> i had it in my mind. i wasn't going to go back to the street any more. my way of getting me a friend. then i started messing with homosexuals and things because they were taking the place of a female. >> marion's attempt with making contact with perspective partners hasn't gone as planned. >> i heard he was offering homosexual activity. i wanted to talk to him about that. you know what i am saying. the man took one blow and knocked me out. and then -- i, i, in the incident down there in one cell. i got stabbed up down there. oh, yeah. another inmate hit me in the head with a lock. fellow hit men the head with the
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lock. i got stabbed. in one cell. good lord woke me up. and told me, said, hey, don't you think that's enough? give the lord one just minute. you don't get one second of your time. you don't know what you might be missing. so i am going to start going to church. i started getting bible studying. stuff look that. i kind of start liking it. >> with marion becoming more and more involved in the church he decided it was time to make a real commitment to the lord and get baptized. >> marion if you would stand up here. turn around. step, put your feet don there. and sit.
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♪ take me to the water >> brother based on your confession that jesus christ is lord and that you believe in your heart that god raised jesus from the dead, i am going to baptize you now in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, amen. >> i'm a christian. i live for the lord. i gave my life to the lord. i gave my life to the lord. i want to walk the right path. >> while marion dent has found the right path for him --
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others have problems finding direction. warden culliver scheduled a meeting with terrence moseley to confront him on his recent incident. >> come on. >> what's your problem? >> i ain't got no problem. >> i got to get your attention one way or another. i can't do nothing about that. the thought process, i can't let you, how am i going to let you out of lockup. >> no, no. you haven't proved that to me. if you had been locked up. you want to go back. the thing you want to deal with just came down. did your time. and let us straighten that out. and you have seen that happen before. that's how we came to the agreement that if you can keep your nose clean. then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that. >> i slipped.
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>> okay. >> it is a consequence for slipping. >> yeah. >> consequence of slipping. >> i know it is. >> i'm taking responsibility for what i did. >> i'm taking responsibility for what you did too. this its what you have to do, terrence. before we can talk, about the deal we had before you slipped you. got to do the 14 days. and you still, you are going to get disciplinary and all that stuff for that. >> i know that. i ain't trying to manipulate the system. just being straight up. if i do the 14 days. this is the own thing i am asking for. if i do 14 days. i get a five minute phone call to my mother. >> if i can talk to her first. >> you can call. you talk to her. then i take to her. >> deal. >> all right. >> all right. >> i apologize to her, right. >> do it. >> i apologize. >> hey.
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>> you are ready. some times it will work. sometimes it don't. >> coming up, desperate to get out of ad seg, marcus thomas becomes bold. >> life is so hard on me, i am a homosexual. the only way you are going to know who is telling the truth, me or you, you are going to have to let me out and let me show you.
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>> i've got good news. >> what's going on. >> they recommended my release this morning. they recommended my release. >> hotter in this elevator than in my cell. >> after 17 months of waiting. marcus thomas is waiting with captain craft to discuss a release to general population. >> i can feel myself getting closer. >> marcus is optimistic her name is finally on the release list this time. >> without a shower. if i put you on my list to get out of seg. is that what you are talking about? >> yes, sir, why i don't hatch -- don't have you on the list. when you first got here. they met you look a herd of they met you look a herd of horses.
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wasn't long before confusion between two, three guys. then all of a sudden the guys wanted to try to go fighting over marcus. there is going to be problems. >> there isn't going to be any problems. >> last two times there was a problem. >> because i am a homosexual. i have been involved in minor disputes. >> wasn't minor. wasn't minor. >> no one ever got hurt. >> i am not coming back to the jail. i have gotten it together. i have got it altogether. >> you can tell me you have got it altogether. you can't tell me what [ bleep ] is going to do. >> yes, i can. yes i can. i know him. i know him more than he know himself. he is not going to get into anything. >> the guy down the hall. >> the only way, the only way you are going to know who is telling the truth, me or you. you are going to have to let me out and let me show you. let me show you.
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>> i don't want to take the chance. >> there is a lot of new guys down the hall. when you hit the hallway down there, there is going to be within of them. someone say i got to have him. i am going to have him. >> take all you said. >> and somebody. i will lock you back up. >> i will accept it. >> and see if he will agree with it also. >> i appreciate that. >> thank you, captain. >> you're welcome. >> i feel a lot better. i feel a lot of relief. at least he tell me he will take it into consideration. he just doesn't say no. if he said no.
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break down. come on, take me back. i don't want to talk to you any more. i am ready to get to my husband. >> well, back to my hot little cell. >> ha-ha-ha. >> oh. you leave my house alone! >> while marcus thomas may find her tenacity could reward her. terrence mosley is about to be rewarded. >> and that was part of the thing. >> talk to you tomorrow. >> december 9. >> really. doing you a favor, huh? on the one hand. >> warden culiver has been keeping terrence's mother aware of his behavioral problems.
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he hopes she can talk sense into him and trigger a permanent change. >> hello. how you doing? i tried to. i be tried to. right? i just got that problem. i -- i still got that problem. it's a problem. she want to talk to you. >> yes, ma'am. appreciate it. we got a contract. i got a contract with him. if he can go until november 15th without getting a disciplinary, we are going to try him in general population again. you know? that's something he has the got to work on. and, i don't know. we may make a couple months. if he continue to do well. i'll let him call you in a couple months. yes, ma'am. maybe we can get him a bible and let hem read -- let him read the bible.
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yes, ma'am. thank you, ms. moseley. all right. >> you all right? >> i need a transfer. >> you need a transfer? >> so you would rather have a transfer than to go to population? >> ain't going to make it, man. >> you ain't going to make it six months. you know you ain't going to make it. >> i got a [ bleep ] temper, man, i ain't going to make it. >> i think he is touched right now. i think he five hours from now, this time tomorrow, i think he will refer become to his mother. kind of got him. it's shaky. put a shakiness in his voice. he realizes she is not truly well. but i don't have a problem with him being transferred out. he is closer to his mom here than any other maximum facility we have. i don't know.
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he has to dupe it. that's where it is at. he has to do it. that's where it is at. >> after meeting with warden culiver, the captain will deliver the message to marcus whether sunny will get out of ad seg. >> go back down and talk to marcus and explain to him. we are willing to try this, just not now. >> how are you doing this morning? >> all right. >> good. >> listen. i sat down and talked to warden culiver. talked about the contract. you coming out of population. he agreed to let you out if you sign the contract. one catch right now. the warden won't turn you out right now. he wants to wait and turn you out late summer, early fall. he is willing to do it. but it is going to be then. okay. agreeable. okay.
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all right. maintain yourself now. >> you too. >> all right. see you later. >> i guess, i am looking at august, september, that seem like forever. there is nothing. nothing at all. nothing.
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do we have a witness? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. let me start with this. as we go to press this week and a potential blockbuster in the chris christie bridge scandal. the attorney for david wildstein, christie's appointment to the bridge authority, has released a letter saying that his client, david wildstein says evidence exists linking christie, the governor, to knowledge of the lane closings on the bridge during the time of the deliberate traffic holdup. here is the key part of that letter. "it has also come to light that a person within the christie

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