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devastated and also incredibly surprised as well because he appeared to be clean for many years. but this appears to be an apparent drug overdose. what a career. >> sad. >> we are going to go through the whole thing and also have some guests as well on this. other news. it ranges from the super bowl to politics. last night -- well, i called it, if i can just say myself. >> what did you call? but did you call a blowout? >> did not call the blowout. >> i was here the day you called it. you called seattle. i give you great credit for that. >> thank you. there are so many security stories in terms of -- i mean, that -- i have to read more deeply into it but i had people who were there. it was pretty well run, given the fact that a lot of people were claiming it was going to be such a pain to get there. but they had that place locked down. >> yeah. for miles around it. >> for miles and miles and miles.

>> the only time i've heard any commotion about the security and getting to the game was from people who were stuck in the train station. >> my daughter did that and was not stuck but probably left early enough because she was on so excited. >> joe did not get into the game? >> he is still trying. >> they should have put me in. listen i mean, you know, harold, let's just talk history for a second. peyton manning, one of the five greatest regular season quarterbacks. >> i put him up there in the top three. >> regular season. you can't even put him on any list. >> yeah. >> in postseason when it really counts. as marcus allen said last night, anybody that wants to put him on any top list just doesn't know why you play football. you play football to get to the playoffs and do what his brother

does in the playoffs, outperform all expectations. he was just god awful last night. he looked like, you know, a rookie quarterback. >> in fairness, they went up against the best defense. >> right. >> last two weeks all they talked about was peyton and only thing they talked about the defense was the young fellow who made the -- >> overthrow pass. the passes were overthrown. >> defense came in with a chip on their shouled last night. >> admit. peyton manning underperformed. >> he didn't have his best game. i know him and i like him. >> i love him. >> he didn't have a good game last night. >> i love him and i respect him. >> why does everybody say that? >> he was terrible. >> he was so humble after the game and took responsibility and i think the reason he is revered is because of his humility. talk about a chip on his shoulder, i'm sure he has one now. >> you look at a situation like this and no doubt seattle seahawks were incredible.

incredible defense, mike. from start-to-finish, just absolutely stunning. you see one screen pass after another just stop because of their size, their speed. i mean, but at the same time, no way tom brady or a joe montana, my pick for greatest quarterback in nfl history, there is no way either two guys like that would look this loss in the game. >> you know, a people who know more about the nfl certainly than i do have said all year long, the two best teams in the national football league were seattle and san francisco. san francisco is more of a national team than seattle. seattle plays way up in the northwest corner of our country. it sees very little media attention or exposure other than the nfl games. the relative obscurity of

seattle. peyton manning is a tremendously gifted football player, i would say one of the top five quarterbacks of all time. it's an interesting case to be made in yesterday's game for all of the people who concentrate on football, as well as baseball. in yesterday's game, a dreadful performance. peyton manning broke the record for completed passes in a super bowl, but he is for the sake of matritian. >> the real in other words that dig into the numbers have something called a qbr. >> yeah. >> and that is how do these guys perform on the important plays of the game. there russell wilson was like 87%, 88% and eli manning was 21%. >> i have no idea what you guys are talking about. they lost, the broncos. and seahawks won. let's move on.

bruno mars was very good. dancing. it was a good show, right? >> do you agree with me, joe? none of the music was memorable. we will not be humming these songs that bruno mars sung last night five minutes from now, but he was a terrific performer. >> i don't know who the guys with their shirts off and liking of the old white guys that came out, that was bad. >> red hot chile peppers? >> sorry, but that didn't work. >> i went and walked my dog. >> my friend and i were texting each other, get back to bruno mars. they were in other words. >> it was very interesting choice. >> it didn't work. can we move on? >> sure. >> we got a lot of news. philip seymour hoffman was an actor's actor. he was found dead in his new york city apartment what police are calling an apparent drug

overdose. his films too number to range. "boogie nights" to "magnolia." charlie will's war and the doubt and the master. his breakout role in his masterful performance as a writer, truman capote that earned him academy award for best actor. he was comfortable on the stage as well as on the screen and in his roles. his life was marked by bouts of alcohol and drug dependence and his struggle to get sober at a young age. >> i got sober -- i was 22. yeah. >> so this was drugs or alcohol or both? >> it was all that stuff, yeah! i didn't get my head off. yeah, yeah. i liked it all, yeah. >> why did you decide to stop?

>> you get panicked. you get panicked. it was -- i was 22 and i got panicked for my life, it really was. it was just that. >> very sad. >> he claimed to be clean for years. but reportedly went through a stint in rehab last year. hoffman was found unconscious in his apartment with small bags of what is believed to be heroin nearby and a needle in his arm. a family statement says we are devastated by the loss of our beloved phil and appreciate the outpouring of love and support we have received from everybody. philip seymour hoffman was 46. >> mike, he was just as good of an actor as we have today. >> the range, the scope or the roles that he performed are astonishing from "boogie nights"

to "doubt" to "moneyball" to "capo "capote. >> he had an incredible stint at lester bangs in "almost famous." and stole the show in a few seconds. an extraordinary actor. >> you said some of those great lines around last night. i mean, some of the characters he played are the characters that we remember most and they weren't always the leading roles but they were the ones that stayed with you the longest and you keep quoting. >> just the way cameron crowe wrote some extraordinary lines for him in "almost famous." but the way he delivered it. i went back and looked. we were passing around clips of it where cameron crowe's character calls up and thanks him for being home after he gets a lecture we are the critics and dorks the kids don't like. he said thanks for being home. he said, well, of course, i'm

home. i'm a loser! just the way -- he owned every line. he owned every script. he owned every character. he was extraordinary. you don't say this about a lot of people you see on the screen but he was an artist. >> we have with us the digital director for "vanity fair" michael hogan to talk more about this, michael. thanks for being on with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i think the range. a lot of actors are the same person but he brings something new to the table no matter what the performance. >> yeah. he was very daring, very ambitious and i think one of the things that people are really mourning right now is here is somebody who, to look at him, you wouldn't think of him as a leading man and he started out as a character actor playing, you know -- stealing the show in the small parts. over time, the talent was just so inescapable.

you find filmmakers trying to create projects to tell stories they can put him in the center of. i think that that is something that -- that really is one of the things people are mourning today. here's a case of somebody -- he didn't win the genetic lottery. he had a lot of perseverance and hard work and kept pushing himself and kept taking on really extraordinary challenges, and more often than not, succeeding. even when the whole project doesn't necessarily work. >> exactly. let's take a look at some of his oscar winning performance in "capote." >> he said, i feel like you're spiting me." do you think i took this job to spite you? i was writing the script as they were filming. all the time in italy. i worked like mad all day long

and then dashed down to the bar and then the next day. humphrey just almost moved into the hotel bar. >> humphrey bogart. >> why john. >> john huchlt. >> and they drank. >> it's as if he literally becomes and transforms himself and that is what actors are supposed to do but, more often than not, they don't. >> also to have the courage to play these characters. frequently he played characters that were disturbing and kind of repellant. >> yes. >> he would dare you to dismiss them. he would make you see that they are a person, they do feel, they do have emotions and rational and i think that is one of the things that was so compelling over and over again. you just couldn't look away because he was showing you something that maybe you didn't

want to see normally and here it was on screen. that was one of his real special talents, i think. >> great way of putting it. "vanity fair" michael hogan, thank you very much. >> thank you. now to politics. the super bowl was supposed to be chris christie and new jersey's national coming out party but, over the weekend, the governor found himself playing defense over the latest accusations that he did know something about the closures of the lanes on the george washington bridge. a small crowd jeered the governor at a super bowl event on saturday. but the real fireworks came from former port authority official david wildstein who was resigned amid the scandal. in larry from his attorney, wildsteen claimed evidence exists the governor knew of the lane closures. after a measured response on friday, the governor's office came out with a stinging letter with fierce denials a day later. it claims sloppy reporting on the part of the "the new york times" and the e-mail attacked

wildstein personally citing articles that called him tumultuous and he had a culture of fear within the port authority and dug into his personal history in high school alleging that he sued over a local school board election at the age of 16. it claims he also publicly accused his social studies teacher of deceptive behavior. to drive the point home, the e-mail concludes, quote, bottom line, david wildstein will do and say anything to save david wildstein. i'm not sure that is the smartest ploy. >> well, that is the situation that chris christie is going to find himself in. he has got, what, 15, 16 people that are probably going to be subpoenaed and you'll have people coming forward. again, we will see what happens when all of the evidence comes out, when all of the depositions are taken, when all of the

documents come in. >> joe, if you were in that position -- >> no. >> -- would you advise a team to put a statement out? >> no. you don't have to ask the question. no. >> you said it on friday. i think it drove the point home. if he is absolutely clear that he is completely separated from the situation, he should be doing town halls and moving along. >> also, i think instead of going after david wildstein, i think i would question "the new york times" reporting because it's am bigus, at best, the statement came out -- so we are all sitting around. friday, i guess, the big headline comes out. he knew. and you're like, oh, my god. i send it to you and i go, chris knew and there is an e-mail out there and said let's look at it and you read it and then it ends up the statement says he knew all of the lanes were closed. well, yes, we have all known that he knew all along.

it wasn't news. so "the new york times" gets this headline and this breaking news bit out. >> did he mastermind a cover-up? did he actually say, "close the lanes?" that is what we want to know. we don't know that. >> so as you're looking at this news coverage, i'm dead serious here, what is the news, other than the fact that david wildstein is coming out swinging? i mean, the question is did he know -- did he order it? did he know beforehand? we have already all known that he knew during the time. >> who didn't know? it was all over the news. >> and i think the question really specifically is did he order the lanes closed for political purposes? >> right. >> that is what puts his political career in peril and we don't know the answer to that. i said on friday, we talked about this, joe, that this experience is going to be the education of chris christie in

terms of the modern media landscape and this, to me, you know, friday night was sort of lesson one. i'm not sure that i would have responded the way they did because i think that analysts and journalists would have sifted through this. my god. if someone held my 16-year-old behavior personality against me if i were in a situation like this, i would be in trouble! >> we think youthful discretions go to 39, 45. all your statement has to say there is nothing new here. of course, chris christie knew while the lanes were closed that dah, dah, dah. >> that they were closed. >> that they were closed. the question is why did david wildstein choose to close the lanes in the first place? the truth will come out and we will be vindicated, period. that's it. >> if, indeed, that is true. >> obviously, if that is true. >> look. he gave a two-hour press conference where he left no

doubt that he had nothing to do with the planning or execution of this. i agree with you, largely, nicole, but i think he has a problem. there is a small hole anything he said in the press conference -- >> if he has lied to us since the revelation. >> we all know that. >> it's over. >> it's over. >> but that is how simple this story is. there is not more to it than that. if he is lying about not knowing that the lanes were closed as political retribution, lights out. >> right. >> if he did not know, then this is a very unfair sort of piling on. >> there is another element in here revealed itself slowly but surely, i think, over the weekend and it is that, first of all, he is going to be subject now to what we in the newspaper business used to dahl the drip treatment. it is going to be there every day and extended over a period of weeks and into months, and his response over the weekend. if that is his staff at their

best work, he is done nationally. no one could go forward in the national campaign with this kind of staff work, accusing someone making moves that were not productivity, david wildstein. saying he made moves that were not productive. we have made moves not productive in the last hour, joe. he sued over a local school board election as a kid? are you kidding me? >> that is pretty lame. >> the governor stands by everything he know and didn't know and still doesn't know what david wildstein is talking about. >> let me go to you here, nicole, he didn't have people around him that were ready for prime time before this happened obviously. we will find out whether he is ready for prime time or not. but why is it that he still has people around him that would allow something like that to go

out? a statement like that is a statement that there is an office that you've got a boss that people still don't have control over. why doesn't he bring in a national republican figure or somebody solid that can tell the kids to just sit in the back when they want to talk about social studies teacher in high school? >> you know how something like this gets out. they get out because they and he are feeling embattled. when you feel embattled the first human instinct whether you're an actor or anyone is to hunker down and punch back and that is where this came from. i agree with mike. if they can't control the urge to punch everyone in the face and he is telling the truth and had no knowledge of this, it is an alarming sign. there are some people around him like mike duham, who are national political figures but not enough of them and not enough of them to make sure that their responses are more even.

i actually think that the way they responded brought more eyeballs to the story than if the story had popped friday night. we all send it to each other. if they simply said we stand by the governor's statement in his press conference and, of course, he was aware that two lanes on a major bridge in his state were closed for three days. >> that's not news, period. and that is it. >> to your point, it's actually causing layers of reporting on his past. >> right. >> and his dealings with menendez and the attorney general's position and whether that was used politically. if that builds the case this is the way he does business. there is extensive reporting out there. >> sure. >> which, you know, that response makes it worthwhile read and it shouldn't be. >> quickly.

if that extensive reporting shows chris christie has never done anything that crosses the line, i want to say, again, it will fortify him for a national run. >> no doubt. >> but if it reveals that there is a pattern of governing that isn't what we expect of our leaders of a higher office, then it's a really bad development. >> only time will tell. whether people on ginning themselves up on this whether online or social media sites, they are going rabid 24 hours a day. the fact is we will know the truth and the truth will set you free. once we know the truth. >> it's going to be a while. >> once the investigation are over, we will know what the results are. and before that time -- it's just like -- i said it before. it's just like with benghazi, you know? before the ambassador, you know, was buried in benghazi september

11th, 2012. what have we found out the past year, year and a half? the state department and the white house did a lot of things wrong but it took time to find out. this is going to take time to find out as well. coming up on "morning joe," inside the actor studio. we will discuss the life and career of philip seymour hoffman and then chuck todd and author jennifer senior what she calls modern parenting. why a hillary clinton candidacy is making democrats nervous in 2014. first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> what a week we are about to undergo. the 50s over the weekend and the super bowl and a lot of people not paying attention to the forecast and it changed dramatically the last 24 hours and now we are about to see one of the worst driving morning commutes of the winter from i-95 from southern connecticut down

to philadelphia. i've circled the area of greatest concern where rain has changed over to snow and heavy snow in many areas opinion we are down to 33 in trenton and 33 central park and already 1 to 2 inches on the ground from and allentown to trenton and setting up over new york city. philadelphia you're warmer and you will transition down. for new york city, heavy snow. 1 to 2 inches an hour the next couple of hours. by 5:00 p.m., 6 to 8 inches of snow. the big question is will the roads be plowed by this evening? there's so many cars on the roads. you wonder how well the job the plows will be able to do and hopefully, we won't have a lot of stuffed vehicles because of the intensity of this snow. i'll update you right through "morning joe." stay tuned. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business. so we provide it services you can rely on.

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a live look at new york city. apparently it's going to be one of the worst morning commutes ever. >> it's going to be pretty bad, pretty bad. let's take a look at the morning papers. "usa today" facebook reaches a huge milestone as the company celebrates its tenth birthday since it was found inside 2004 by mark zuckerberg, facebook has grown from 1 million users to over 1 billion worldwide. the social media giant says it plans to spendity next ten years adapting the website as its users continue to age. >> from our parade of papers. cleveland plain dealer. united airlines is slashing 470 jobs at 60% of its flights as it ends its operations at cleveland hopkins national airport. 199 to 72 flights operated out of there. the hub in ohio hasn't been

profitable for a decade. resulting in massive annual losses for the company. "the new york times." thousands of super bowl ticket holders faced massive delays and cramped stations as they traveled to the big game. dubbed the first mass transit super bowl, attendees were urged to use trains and buses mainly due to a lack of parking at the stadium. nearly 28,000 fans packed into the secaucus train station far exceeding many estimates. some say it took 90 minutes to get through the station, more than three times the normal commute. my daughter was lucky because she left five hours early. that was horrific. >> the "l.a. times." the number of abortions in the u.s. hit a low in more than 30 years. research say couples were using contraceptives and abortion laws didn't have a major effect on the drop since most state laws banning abortion were passed

after 2011. "the minneapolis startribune." the wife of walter mondale is in the hospital. her family said she is surrounded by her family and loved ones as her life on this earth moves peacefully to its close. they is 83 years old. staten island advance. puns tawny phil and staten island chuck both saw their shadows and means six more long weeks of winter. look at this mishap with mayor de blasio. the groundhog was fine after the mayor dropped him. the great groundhog scandal of 2014. >> i think he threw him down. >> oh, my gosh. >> no. >> then mayor mike bloomberg had

a little scuffle with chuck himself who bit the billionaire on the finger. >> that is hilarious! >> the groundhog was put down three minutes later. the toronto star. rob ford had another run-in with police over the weekend. ford was ticketed in a suburb outside of vancouver for jaywalking friday night. >> oh, my gosh! >> ford maintains he was sober. ford says police went out of their way to ticket him. the incidence is the latest in a bad series of mayor which wa lawsuit filed against him. mike allen is here with the morning playbook. politico is saying some democrats ranked for re-election in midterms are starting to get nervous all of this attention about raising all of this money for hillary in 2016 is going to make democratic donors overlook something a little more important right now and that is actually keeping the senate in

2014 for democrats. why? >> joe, this is incredible. signs that hillary clinton is too successful as she gears up for a run. you know, mark halpern has talked for years about the invisible primary. the concern here is hillary clinton's operation is all too visible. this is a story on the front page of "wall street journal" reflects the conversations that we are having around washington. democrats have three big fears. one, as you mentioned, the money will be going to ready for hillary and other hillary clinton operations, including the super pact priorities usa instead of to the midterm candidates. two, you choke off other potential strong candidates. just yesterday, there was a story on the front page of the "the washington post" making clear that martin o'malley wants to run, hillary or no hillary. third there is word she won't be strong having come through a tough primary. things people are doing to try

to deal with this, priorities usa is talking to some of their biggest donors, hold off and write your biggest checks after the midterms and after november 2014. that is the way to try to tamp down some of this concern. >> politico's mike allen, thank you very much. happy monday. >> have a great week. coming up, a bad snap. did you see that? >> it was terrible. >> a bad snap to start the game and never got better for the broncos. quarterback peyton manning weighs in on the embarrassing loss next in sports. she loves a lot of the same things you do.

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let's get to the highlights from last night's super bowl. you were right, mika. >> yes, i was. thank you. >> i want to make sure everybody gives you credit around this table that the seahawks were going to win. >> anybody else pick the seahawks? but not by that margin. >> mika's predictions throughout is unbelievable. >> sorry. >> let's remind how it started off with the bizarre coin toss with joe namath. take a look. >> that is my man right there. i love that guy. >> what is going on there? >> what do you mean what is going on there? >> my honor to present hall of

fame quarterback joe namath to toss the coin. >> all right. >> whoa, whoa, whoa! seattle is the visiting team. who is going to call the toss? >> tails. >> tails. he calls tail. now, joe. >> he got a little excited there. broadway joe's premature coin toss is almost as embarrassing as the fur coat. >> not the fur coat. it's joe "willie" namath. the guy wore pantyhose in the '70s. >> i'm familiar with joe but i don't think the weather gods were playing along with it. >> he wanted to get it going so he could take it off. >> we look at the games. a rough start for the broncos. really started off badly and it kept getting worse. this first play from scrimmage, bad snap and sails past peyton manning and broncos fall on the ball and minimize the damage to a safety. 12 seconds in and seahawks 2-0 lead. manning is picked off over the

middle. watch this. after one quarter of play, denver has 11 yards of total offense. second quarter, 15-0 broncos trailing. manning throws this pass and it's intercepted once again and malcolm smith takes it back for a pick six. >> mvp of the game. >> seahawks take the lead. >> harvin takes off. percy harvin gets free! percy harvin, inside the 30! he is going to go! touchdown, seattle! >> why is beyonce when you need her for a little power outage like last year, remember? save a little face. seattle's percy harvin there, he was limited to just 19 plays during the regular season and opens up the second half, that kickoff return for a touchdown. dashes the hope for denver

there. russell wilson finds kearse for a touchdown. >> they couldn't block and couldn't tackle and couldn't stop kickoff returns. it was an embarrassment. listen. i was cheering for the broncos. i like the broncos. i've always loved denver. since their orange crush days. it was just an embarrassment from the basics of every part of the game from blocking on the offensive side, tackling the defensive side, special teams. not one aspect of their game plan that they executed. >> not only did they not execute it, mike, they failed miserably tackling and failed miserably blocking and passing. the coaches. i'm not exactly sure what defensive scheme john fox was preparing for over the past couple of weeks. but it wasn't the one like he -- he had no answers. it was terrible last night.

>> we watch russell wilson raise the world championship trophy, to your your point, joe, and harold, i had an older football coach tell me a few weeks ago, if you're watching football games, watch the number of people, defensive backs and linebackers who cannot tackle the way they used to tackle because now they are so intent on stripping the ball from players that they don't tackle and end the play right there. yesterday was a good evidence of that. >> hopefully, peyton manning is sleeping in vegas. he didn't like the word embarrassing. after the game, he was asked if he was embarrassed about the play on this lopsided loss. take a listen. >> it's not embarrassing at all. i would never use that word. there is a lot of professional football players in that locker room that put in a lot of hard work and after -- in being here and in playing in that game. the word embarrassing is an insulting word, to tell you the

truth. >> it's a little pushback there from peyton. on the other side we have had richard sherman the cornerback we came to love after his rant after the nfc championship game. >> here is my best friend, doug baldwin. >> i want to let you know this cornerback is mediocre. mediocre. this is a mediocre cornerback. thank you. >> you are something something else, pedestrian! pedestrian! again, our receivers were called pedestrians and also called appetizers. i think if anybody took a bite out of them, they would be pretty full. >> appetizers? >> wow. >> they had a little fun there. having a good time with each other. >> the nfl inducted people into the hall of fame and claude humphrey, from tennessee, got inducted in the senior section and he is like family back in tennessee and he was at the game last night, so congratulations. >> well, here we go. up next, woody allen,

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molesting her in 1993. it wasn't until allen's award at the golden globes she felt she could speak out publicly in her own words. a letter she wrote about her allegations. in part, she wrote this. what is your favorite woody allen movie? before you answer you should know when i was 7 years old, woody allen took me by the hand' led me into a him closet like attic on the second floor of our house. he told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother's electric train set and then he sexually assaulted me. what if it had been your child, cate blanchett, alec baldwin? what if you had you, emma sustain. you knew me when i was a little girl, diane keaton. have you forgotten me? woody allen is a way our society fails to the survivor of a sexual assault and abuse.

she acknowledges that allen was never prosecuted in this case and consistently denied wrongdoing says he deserves the presumption of innocence. a representative for woody allen responded to farrow's letter saying, quote, mr. allen has read the article and found it untrue and disgraceful. he will be responding very soon. >> the prosecutor at the time thought that there was evidence, there was concerns of what it would do to this young girl, taking her through the trial. >> yeah. >> but i think nick christoff raised good questions that we may never know exactly what happened but while hollywood surrounds this man and continues to praise him and gives him these wonderful awards, why haven't more questions -- >> is he up for another one. >> why haven't more questions

been asked? and why does everybody rush to bow to him? >> i don't disagree with you at all. >> it's not me. that is that nick christoff was saying. >> i don't disagree with nick christoff at all. when he was 42 he dated a 17-year-old. he married his adoptive daughter and his wife found out they were having an affair when the wife was 19. how do you not look at this and question seriously. the prosecutor in this case, as you mentioned, joe, he said there wasn't the evidence but that he suspected deeply that this had occurred. i mean, come on. come on! where there is smoke. >> nicole, what were you thinking when you read this? >> i admired the way it was presented to readers of nick christoff's column. he said very early on he was not prosecuted and never any evidence but on the other hand,

he shared her own story and her own words. i don't know if you can put it out there in any more objective manner. i think he deserves a lot of credit for presenting this to all of us. let's just have a balanced conversation. and i don't have any idea where the truth lies, but i certainly think it's legitimate to ask these questions. >> and this young girl. of course, we all would ask what if it was your young daughter. >> horror. >> that was writing about what happened to her when she was 7 years old and everybody looked away. >> it's a deeply, deeply disturbing story that has now extended across two decades and in nick christoff's piece yesterday in "the times "i think it's to the american public to issues like this. you begin reading it and it's so disturbing you want to turn your eyes from it. you don't want to continue reading it. what the piece does, hopefully, forget the case involved, it's

been going on for 20 years and as you just indicated, you know, we might never know exactly what happened. but what the piece yesterday does is perhaps, hopefully, get more victims aware that it's okay, it's not your fault. come forward and talk about what happened. >> well, i don't know. does it do that if woody allen sits there getting his oscars still? by the way, when -- did you follow the coverage when it broke about him marrying his adoptive daughter? >> yes. >> did he ever say, i understand that this seems terrible. >> no, no, no. he never did. >> but then let's just not pretend there is an issue here. there is a big problem with this guy. >> sexual abuse and the taboo subject that it is in our country, it's inspiring to see this woman in her late 20s being able to fight for has child that she was and despite the fact that prosecutors and other law enforcement officials may have let her down at that time, she

is finding her voice now. >> i believe her. >> whatever healing that provides for her or whatever type of outlet this provides her, if she has any type of aspirations to seek any legal repercussions now. but she is making her voice known and she is standing up to this person who has been a ghost to her life and what it did to her, the trauma that it produced for her. hopefully, now it looks, you know, that she has a full grasp of it and is willing to share this. >> does anybody here not believe her? >> i believe her. >> i believe her. i'm never going to a woody allen movie again. i believe her. >> it traumatized her life. think of her life now as this woman who says that she has had this destroying her life and she sits there while hollywood stars line up one after another after another after another. >> nightmare. >> to pay homage and praise

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♪ it's not embarrassing at all. that's -- i would never use that word. there is a lot of professional football players in that room, in the locker room that put a lot of hard work, and after -- into being here and into playing in that game, and the word embarrassing is an insulting word, to tell you the truth. >> how bad the broncos were. welcome back to "morning joe." >> we are talking about your cat. >> emma. i tweeted her. >> i'm looking for her right now. >> she was stunned. nicole wallace and harold ford jr. are with us. >> the question to ask peyton manning would you not be embarrassed in that performance in the biggest game? >> i would be. not able to execute. >> had he a good response because it's a natural question

but i think his response was a good defensive one. >> yeah, it was embarrassing. >> yeah, it was embarrassing. joining us from washington, nbc news chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown." chuck, it is snowing so bad here you would not believe it. >> we have this wonderful rain down here. it is rinsing our cars and cleaning the streets and melting the snow. a beautiful day here in washington. >> like we tell you all the time. >> i understand it's snowing. do we have to go into breaking news banners right now, developing now? it is snowing in new york city? >> yes. >> flurries hit. >> it happens to be like a major metropolis and it's a big deal, chuck. >> i'm not saying it's not but they had to use -- do you know the size of the saw -- do you know the size of saw that those poor people in minnesota have to use this year to cut through the ice for their ice fishing? >> what is he talking about?

>> they had to bring out the gas-powered saws. >> i think minnesota is, what, how far east -- or west of the hudson? >> it's the west coast according to new yorkers. chuck, embarrassing performance last night by the broncos, huh? >> i feel like -- didn't you have flashbacks to the late '80s where the super bowls where dallas and san francisco just always pummeled the afc? i'm happy because i might have found a way to take the seahawks and give 7 1/2 points. maybe there was some places to do that. so i heard. with monopoly money, no less. >> by the way, first hour, i think a great man has been malaligned in his fashion choices. joe "willie namath. >> what is he supposed to wear? that was his uniform. >> that is what he should wear. i will find on out where he bought that jacket and i will be

wearing it tomorrow. >> this is what joe namath wears. had you been disappointed had he not worn a fur coat? >> i hope it wasn't real. was it real? >> let namath be namath. >> it might be staten island chuck. >> staten island chuck. >> can i get to the news? >> yeah. because the game was kind of boring. >> how about the dylan ad? that is news. >> bob dylan, can you believe that? >> great lines. >> very political ad. >> very good. >> buy your beer in germany, buy your watches in switzerland and let us make your phones. >> let asia make your phones. >> assemble, he said assemble. >> but let us make your cars. that was strong. >> that was the highlight of the evening, of the game! to the news now. over the weekend, governor chris christie found himself playing defense over the latest accusations that he did know something about the closures of the lanes on the george

washington bridge. a small crowd jeered the governor at super bowl event on saturday. but the real fireworks came from former port authority official david wildstein who has resigned amid amidst the scandal. he says the governor knew of the lane closures. after a measured response on friday, the governor's office came out with a stinging letter with fierce denials a day later. it claims sloppy reporting on the part of "the new york times" and the e-mail attacked wildstein citing articles that made him tumultuous and claimed a culture of fear within the port authority and it dug into his personal history in high school alleging that he sued a local on school board over the election that happened at the school when he was 16 years old. it claims he was publicly accused by his social studies teacher of deceptive behavior.

to drive the point home, the e-mail concludes, quote, bottom line, david wildstein will do and say anything to save david wildstein. >> of course, it seems perfectly fair question to ask, if this man's character was so horrific going back to high school, why would you appoint him in the first place? >> tell me what your social studies teacher thought of you? >> they all actually liked me very much but from first grade on, they said joey is very smart but he talks too much in class. who would ever see that coming? every report card! it paid off, though! >> the pattern starts at 16! there you go. it never ends. sorry. >> high school is relevant then, huh? >> exactly! >> chuck todd, herein lies, again, i think the biggest problem for chris christie, even if he is exonerated and didn't know anything about the bridge closure, why did he hire so many

rank amateurs and by his own account, thugs around him? he is the guy who let this guy be in charge and now doing a hit job of his character going all the way back to social studies in tenth grade? >> we may look back and say when it did all come to an end for christie as far as his sort of political -- his national political career. we may look back on 72 hours. the accusation was tough enough. the reaction by christie, when you sit there and you see these -- the decision to use examples in high school. you know, one of the clips that the christie folks sent around noted how, you know, used an example of a clip to show that wildstein sort of was running rough shot over folks in the port authority but the headline of the story that they sent around was about how chris christie's eyes and ears in the port authority, i mean, it was -- this is -- i thought it was a horrible moment for him. i thought the decision to go after wildstein's life in high

school, it just -- it just made christie seem like the smaller person. >> i guess he was building a case. >> wildstein looked like a small guy in doing what he was doing and he looked desperate for -- plenty of people saying he is desperate to have somebody pay his legal fees. maybe he is just doing it. and instead of christie sort of letting that set, which he could have, he piles on, in a way that actually made christie to me look more guilty. >> i wanted to know if that statement that wildstein put out is worth immunity. i don't know. joining us is kate zernicke, journalist for "the new york times" covering the case. >> big headline is christie lied during that marathon two-hour press conference where he insisted over and over he didn't know anything about the lane closings until they were over. two things. one, that christie did know

about the lane closings while they were happening and, quote/unquote, evidence exists for this. and then it said that he also lied about his relationship with wildstein and wildstein had evidence to prove that. it also made a number of other allegations that really haven't gotten any attention because they are sort of buried in this bombshell and talked about people at the port authority with personal interest in land deals. it talked about sort of the port authority coaching wildstein and his -- christie's top appointee and lying about this. frankl i think he feels like, okay, i have the truth, i can tell it. >> great points to be made there, especially because of the two-hour press conference that went on where chris christie said, no, we are not friends from high school and then these statements that come out that go all the way back to social studies in high school. i was speaking to a source that

knows the close internal workings of christie and the port authority over the weekend. they described wildstein as the governor's operative at the port authority and also said they did not feel that wildstein will be shopping for immunity if he didn't have something and feel strongly that he might have something in -- that is really going to be disparaging to the governor. but in the issues with the chris christie press conference that he gave two hours and everybody thought he did a great job, which he did, all of those statements might come back to haunt him now, especially if wildstein has an ax to grind or on bridget kelly has an ax to grind and the woman that left on friday is the woman who reported directly to bridget kelly and an e-mail going on with them where the mayor -- talking about the fact that the mayor called. is there a lot more to call. >> kate, i think a lot of republicans, especially those to governor christie and want to

allow him presumption of innocence, friday night's story may have been overblown, not by you, but the way it was mischaractered. do you see any evidence on that? >> i don't. remember, that everything we know about this story, the famous e-mail, time for some traffic problems in ft. lee, that came from david wildstein. david wildstein is the link between the christie's order to close the lanes. he knows all of the conversations that were happening around there, around that moment. so he does -- he certainly has evidence. he has also been incredibly loyal to the governor. i think in the beginning of december when resigned, you could still see e-mail traffic there he was loyal to the governor and seeking council from the governor's aides. there wasn't any information that he was out to get the governor. look. i think david wildstein, this letter was under cover of

seeking legal fees but i think the message was really clear. some people say why did he say it on friday afternoon? this was the friday afternoon before the super bowl when chris christie was really, you know, had been looking forward to for a long time and was hoping to crawl out of this hole he has been in since that press conference took place. >> kate, let's just -- let's clarify something here as far as the time lines go. >> yes. >> the christie people are saying that chris christie knew, while the lanes were closed, that the lanes were closed. of course. how could you not know that lanes were closed while the lanes were closed when anybody that was driving, like myself, from new york to -- in my case, connecticut, or people going from new jersey to new york or connecticut, it's impossible to know while the lanes were closed that the lanes were not closed. so that appears to be the great revelation. wildstein didn't say he knew before the lanes were closed. >> or why. >> or why the lanes were closed.

he just said chris christie knew while the lanes were closed. so help us out here. >> aren't we trying to prove that he -- >> christie said earlier -- he said two things. one, at one point, he said i didn't know until -- so the executive director of the port authority's memo was leaked which was october 1st. okay? the lane closings end september 12th. first he said i didn't know until pat's e-mail was leaked that was october 1st. then in the press conference he said i didn't know about the lanes closed until it was over. wildstein said he knew about it while it was happening. >> hold on a second. i understand what you're saying there. but i also know that chris christie has also said that he was told during the time that there was a traffic study going on. >> no. he said he was told after. he said -- i found out about them after they were over and when i found out about them, i

was told a traffic study was going. >> does anybody assume, kate, that chris christie did not know? i'm sorry. am i missing something here? >> first of all -- >> everybody knew the lanes were closed! >> there were helicopters, news choppers from all three networks. >> while they were closed! >> so he had to have been in a cave, maybe -- it seems like -- i've been involved in a lot of battles with "the new york times" and this is where they all start, mars and venus. what chris christie's argument is that he didn't know that the purpose for the closure was political. your story seems to ignore that point altogether. this this isn't a story about lanes being closed but why they were closed. no evidence that christie knew why they were closed and where the republicans and "the new york times" always end up at war and we are not talking about the same story! >> i did not read republicans

are from mars, "the new york times" report. that is actually very good. >> i should write that. right? mika? >> but, kate, i guess that is what we are trying to figure out here -- was christie talking about not knowing that the lanes were closed or was he talking about not knowing about why the lanes were closed? >> wildstein's letter talking about that or was christie? >> christie in his new conference when he goes, i didn't know about the lane closures. was he saying i didn't know about the whole brouhaha over the lane closures until after? >> yes. >> or was he saying i literally was in a cave and did not know those lanes were closed those days. >> he said so just to be clear with nicole, he said i didn't know about the lane closures and until they were over. so, you know, maybe he wasn't in traffic in that part of the state at that time. so he didn't know. then he said when i found out, i didn't know their purpose.

>> nicole, he came with in also with david wildstein. >> i thought he also said -- >> you can go to a lot of events with a lot of people. >> not that they are under subpoena. >> trust me, you do. not like they were kissing each other on the cheek. wildstein was in the back of the picture. i just, again, still trying to figure this out. >> mars and venus. >> it's mars and venus. >> you can't have it both ways if it goes back to social studies and now it doesn't go back to social studies. >> no, no, no! listen! hold on a second! guess what? we are not trying to have it both ways, thomas. what we are trying to figure out if wildstein has actually said anything new when he said that chris christie was aware while the lanes were closed. that's what we are trying to figure out. >> it probably came up during that 9/11 meeting. >> why would it come up? no evidence -- >> travel over the gwb. >> all i'm saying is that it is

a different story to say that he knew the lanes were closed than it is to say that he knew the lanes were ordered closed as political retribution. that would be a bombshell. >> goes on to bridget kelly and talks about the fact that the mayor was called. this e-mail saying -- >> you worked in the white house too long. you have dealt with reporters too long. >> i don't work with chris christie but i just -- >> pull our plans closer together. we are on earth so let's talk about the realities of being on earth. christina renna sent the e-mail to bridget kelly saying he thought this was political retributi retribution. >> i think chuck has something to say. >> isn't that photo of christie and wildstein together? >> several photos. >> yeah. i mean, so, you know, i'm just trying to connect the dots here but it seems logical to me that if you're wondering what wildstein is referring to, is it

possible wildstein, who, in those e-mails with bridget kelly, somebody wanted to know they were in good graces with trenton. is trenton happy? remember that e-mail exchange? and bridget is like, yes, yes, yes, so is it oo likely that wildstein brought it up to christie, hey, what do you think of what we did here when he saw? let's say you assume that wildstein is a puppy dog and wanted the approval of the governor. >> chuck, that is -- hold on, hold on! >> i'm just saying. >> that is speculation, chuck. did oliver north talk to john poindexter when they were in a military function in 1986 about iran contra? >> we do have a photo of them. >> you have photos with obama. >> i'm not defending chris christie here. >> i'm just saying -- you're saying what is wildstein providing here? for all we know that is what he is claiming when he was with christie then.

>> all i am asking is a simple question. >> look. ask it to kate, it's not my report. >> i'm asking of it kate. >> it's hard enough to defend our own reporting, joe! i am just like, whoa! >> hold on. all of the people say, amen. any way. it's a southern thing. >> like uncle sugar. >> chuck, let me ask you. i greatly appreciate kate being here and answering these questions. somebody who has followed the story every day, chuck, what has your impression been that chris christie was unaware that the lanes were actually closed while they were closed? >> well, from everything i've read, and what christie has said, it seems as if he is trying to say he was aware that there were people that were wondering why the lanes were closed at the time but that he didn't know that it was some

sort of political, that his denial -- >> chuck, chuck, that is not the question i asked. the question i'm asking is is it your understanding as nbc news political director, from all of the news accounts that you have read over the past month, that chris christie was actually aware that the lanes were physically closed on the george washington bridge at the time the lanes were closed on the george washington bridge? >> no. that is the evidence we don't have. we have no evidence that. that is the evidence that wildstein is claiming but there is no physical evidence yet that connects -- that contradicts christie's story. >> no. >> i still don't think he is getting my question. >> this is the mars and venus. >> never mind. kate, i give up. kate, thank you. >> are we mars? >> seriously. if i was still an attorney, in this deposition, i've had this

happen in depositions and i sit there and work through lunch. you understand the question. >> i do. >> do you understand the question? >> we could go back and look at the video. if chris christie said i did know during the lane closures they were closed but i didn't know the motivation for it, then the kate's story is nonsense and "the new york times" story is nonsense. if he did not know about the lane closures until afterward there is something here. we have to go back and look at the video. >> i've seen the video and kate's story is technically correct. >> technically correct but the spirit of the investigation, the reason we have talked about this every day for a month is because it's a question of whether he knew that the lanes were closed for political -- >> i know. >> nibblithat two hour press conference he gave was so definitive and so absolute. >> don't forget. the other confusing thing he did at that press conference that was basically trying to create -- make the case for his

own innocence here is when he said, you know, i didn't really learn about any of this until the morning -- until the morning that the story broke. i got a phone call from my communications director. so he has contributed to the confusion over the time line -- >> i believe what he is talking about about is the controversy. >> what was the controversy. >> i think he is talking about the political controversy. if you were governor of a state that has the busiest bridge in the world running through your state and traffic has stopped. >> for how many days? >> for four days. you know the lanes are closed. you know. kate brings up a very good point. if he said that he had no knowledge of it, well, that is just stupid, because he had to have knowledge of it because everybody, all 18 million people in the metro new york area were

affected. the only reason it's important is does wildstein bring anything new to us? kate, at this point, we thank you for coming. you are free to go. >> back to venus. >> the subpoena, kate, was only for this deposition. if you would like to make any changes to your deposition later on, feel free. no. kate, thank you so much for coming. it was a big story and it did move this story along. i think most of us, a year from now, will be talking about the story of chris christie's response to the story as much as anything. thank you, kate, for being with us. we greatly appreciate your patience with us. >> thank you. >> we are just slow country lawyers around here. chuck, we will see you on "the daily rundown" coming up next. i can't wait for that. >> i'm just a cave man. >> i'm a dumb country lawyer. we all know parents shape their parents' lives but what about the kids and how they

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because a dad is saying that? can you imagine if a mother said that? >> it would be funnier. >> i'll say it! that was louis c.k. weighing in on life as a parent. he is life at the beacon theater. here with us is contributing editor of "new york" magazinever senior who doesn't sugar coat parnhood in her new book "all joy and no fun." the paradox of modern parenthood. it's so true. i've been looking at videos of my girls when they were little and i say, they were so cute! i don't remember feeling that way at the time. >> oh, yes. you girls are teenagers now? >> yes. >> you realize you're not in a good place statistically. >> i'm in a terrible place. >> the tensions between mothers and teenage daughters is statistically is born out to be one of the most challenging times, so look at you. you're dressed. you're functioning and you're doing your job. here is something interesting. if women -- in anybody has a job

that they like, friendships they like and hobbies they like. >> they are a bad mother. >> no. anything to fall back on at that time during adolescence you're in much better standing. no, what happens is teenagers are so rejecting and pushing you away and don't bound through the door and cuddle you. i don't believe her either. >> no, no. >> you have to fall back on your own resources. >> you did hit on something. i know a lot of moms out on there have given their lives for 14, 15, 16 years. can you explain to all of them what you've just said? >> yes. >> i've seen it all of my lirve and we have all seen it. women, mothers they can be the greatest mothers in the world. a girl turns 13, 14, 15, and suddenly she hates her mother. >> it's peak tension time. it's worse with boys and their fathers. it's much worse. this is replicated and it's been shown in study after study. here is the thing. the key is as you're ramping up

to adolescence, if you're a mom, might be good to get a hobby. might be good to have a job that you like because they are going to unmask -- >> how about ear plugs? >> ear plugs? it's not indicated but do as you wish. the point is you are going to have to fall back on your own resources because they will be unmasking all of these things about your life. >> they need space from you sometimes. >> that's very hard often for the parent. it's much harder for the parents. adolescence is a bigger cries for the parents than the kids themselves and that is statistically born out. >> how many women have we known that have been working and quit work to raise children and they raised girls, and their girls, they gave their lives to their girls and their girls turn 13, 14, 15, and then they turned on them. i'm not trying to be funny. they turned on them. >> no, no. you're right. >> a mother who has given her

entire life to this girl in front of her who now is telling her, "i hate you," feels like she has failed at life. >> and can i tell you something? our generation of parents in particular who have spent more time with their kids, mothers in particular. >> oh, god, tell me about it. >> than women in the 1960s. we spend more full saturation and full e mergs hours with our kids. these women who gave up everything in order to be present because they had the put them in the playpen kind of attitude and then the same thing happens. the same rejection. the same grueling pain. >> can i add to that? >> yes. >> it's actually worse. i have spent more time with my kids. i'm dead serious. >> are you amazing. >> i am dead serious. i have spent more time -- with my children. >> you need to stop! >> i really want to make a serious point here. i've spent more time with my children in a week than my

father who i dearly loved and respected. spent with me in a year. and i can tell you looking back, especially with my two older boys, that there were times when i should have actually spent less time with them when i was home, when i was out of congress, when i shouldn't have smothered as much. and it's a thing that i'm trying to learn with kate and jack too. mike, you have seven kids. >> seven? >> yes. >> look at you! >> it is bizarre how much time and effort we spend with our children, almost smothering them, compared to what our fathers and mothers did with us who we dearly love. >> you can't even compare time spent with our parents spending with us. one of the things that concerns me with time spent with kids in this culture, in this era right now, is i don't want my children and they are older now obviously to think that they would have to spend as much time with their kids down the road as i've spent with them.

the other thing that interests me, the point about mothers and daughters, this is anecdotal and not proven. it's just my observation. why do you think that opposed to fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, somehow the mothers can't just like disengage in an argument. fathers and sons can disengage. mothers and daughter, you can't get them to -- >> mothers do twice as much house work and twice is much child care and maybe they are involved in the undercurrents in the house and they can't disengage because they have been invested twice as many hours. >> we have seen too much. >> you guys have done all of this like immersion parenting and why louis c.k. is the new erma bombeck because dads are involved now. they know the drill. truly i think that is why half of the humor is coming from the men now. a guy who wrote go the "f" to

sleep. >> i like that. >> no but mean michael louis writing parenthood. he writes about sports! and he is writing about being a dad. you guys are really engaged. >> my mom, i'm dead serious, and i love you mom. >> mary jo! such a good mom. >> my mom adores me. my mom was tired. she had two kids. i was the third kid. she didn't really want to have me. and you know what she did for the first five years? seriously. she masters of music and wanted to go back to teaching. she basically put me in the room and she said i would close the door and from like 2:00 to 5:00, i would be inside and i would be playing and basically instead of what i've seen parents do, including me too much, sit down with the children. here, do you want this?

do you want that? >> absolutely! >> i created an imagination that when my mom finally opened the door at 5:00, i love him, he is great! >> may i explain something to you? the idea that we are now working for our children other than our children working for us is really unusual. and that is what you're describing. you are a de facto. you're a kids staff. that didn't always used to be the case. you realize that kids used to actually kick into the family economy, they used to work until 1940? half of all american kids didn't have high school education. let's contemplate that a second. they were working. they were working. >> little jack needs to start pulling his part, my 5-year-old. >> here we are feeling immense guilt for not handing up the right block. i can tell you, you know, why. we're doing this to prepare them

for the future. >> this is amazing. >> so, mika, you need to read this. >> i'm reading this. >> mika, by the way, is mother -- she is mother of the century. seriously. >> she made a cake last week, unbelievable. >> it's nonstop. you need to tell mika she sometimes needs to just let go. >> if you had bought that cake, what would have happened? >> she never would have done it. >> why did you feel the need to make it? >> every year for 18 years, i make a very strange cake. >> if you enjoy it, that's great. >> oh, my god, so much fun. i'm the only one who does. but anyhow. >> you felt like you needed to make that cake? >> yeah. >> can you counsel her after? >> here is the cake. >> what does it look like? >> like running shoes. >> because they were being mocked. >> it looks like someone stepped on them but they look beautiful. they look really terrific. >> here is the bottom line and i've seen it with mika and

myself and parents our age, you too. i don't know about mike as much. we are driven for some bizarre reason by guilt. mika is like running a thousand miles an hour taking her kids everywhere. she has to be at every event. she just never stops. and i've been through it a couple times already. so i'm getting a little better but why are we so driven by guilt? >> because it gets you nothing. >> it gets you nothing. >> and french aren't at all. they are on their phones. >> they provide child care. and they are chain-smoking throughout the whole thing. like betty draper. i'll tell you two things. >> that is something to talk about. >> i know. it's really not -- >> i think you just jumped the -- >> it's something to aspire to, i agree. i tell you what i think is going on. the guilt i think is in part to ambivalence we have of women working, right? around the time that women

started working in full force, that was when kidnapping anxiety started in the united states and kids started showing up on olympic cartons. it's when people started panicking what is in halloween candidate. like razor blades in halloween candidate. people were suddenly fearing that kids were not -- >> mom not home. >> not there to monitor everything and not there to monitor the halloween candy and not there staring at their kid -- >> good lord, a man couldn't do it. >> jennifer, listen. here is the deal. >> you're great. >> thank you. >> they have been telling us we have to go to break for about five hours now. jennifer, we need you back every day for about a month. >> yes. therapy! >> we will see you tomorrow. the book is "all joy and no fun." jennifer senior, thank you. on tomorrow's show we will talk to jennifer again. >> the own book on raising kids through what a response. "morning joe" will be right back.

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and legacy and we can't thank you enough for being here, because i think a lot of us around this table share your opinion that philip seymour hoffman was the greatest actor of his generation. >> without question. he was on my show on "inside the actors studio" in the year 2000 before anybody knew he was the greatest actor of his generation. i saw him on the stage in "true west" with riley. they alternated swapping the roles. it was a tour de force of which i had never seen. i called bravo and said we have the greatest actor of all and can i invite him on the show and she said yes. we had him before he did the famous things he has done. i recognized it instantly on the stage and everything that was happened was confirmed it. brando was the greatest actor of his generation and nicholson is

next. certainly philip seymour hoffman is the finest actor of his generation and he was taken away from us by the goddamn drugs. >> what was it about hoffman that made him the greatest actor of this generation? >> stanisski said you can't teach talent but you can technique. talent is what you bring to the table and technique is what you taught, what you learned. when he was on my show 14 years ago, we talked endlessly about craft and he knew everything he needed to know. when you put that together with an innate talent, which he possessed in his generation then you get the genius he was. the sad thing is the way they burned out. brando turned his back on what was the greatest career of his time. nicholson has virtually vanished and now drugs have taken philip

away from us. i'm afraid that a destiny frowns on that kind of genius or seems to. i hate it! i hate it! i hate it that he's gone! when i heard the news yesterday, it stopped he was so generous and kind, wi students of the actor drama school, spent hours after i'd finished with them, teaching them. he said, when i asked him if couldn't -- if you couldn't do what you're doing, and people questioned, if you couldn't do what you're doing, what would you -- he said he would like to be a teacher. i said you're a teacher. every time he stepped in front of a camera, he was teaching us. >> there's got to be a very small list, an infinitesimally small list of actors with the range that philip seymour, to go from "mission: impossible" to

"doubt". >> to "boogie nights." >> are there others with that range? have there been others with similar -- >> very few. in the '30s they used to talk about a character actor. it meant something entirely different. it meant someone who always played the same thing. it was lionel barrymore, it was always lionel barrymore. that was a character actor. it came to mean something else. it would someone who would go role to role and vanish, and dustin hoffman, and philip seymour did that. he devoured the character and delivered it to us -- look, what i like best about acting is the risk of it. the actors i most admire, like brando, like nicholson, make me nervous. why? because i can never anticipate them. i can never outguess them. what they do is entirely, entirely their own invention. and at first it seems

incredible. and in the end, it seems inevitable. that is great acting. that's my definition of great acting. and he possessed that to the highest degree. he always fooled me, and in the end, he always satisfied me. my teacher stella said the talent lies in the choice. his choices were exquisite. his choices were totally unexpected. his choices were completely his own. his choices were unique to him and the whole wide world. he was without question the finest actor of his generation. i'm sure no one in his generation would argue with me about that. and he was a dream of a person. kind and generous, sweet. he was a wrestler in college. he was all sorts of odd things. he came from rochester. he said i was the only liberal family in rochester, in a conservative community. he lived a life that was blessed and absolutely cursed by his

addiction. i hate drugs. i consider myself a liberal person on most issues, on drugs i'm very conservative. i've never been abused by anyone drunk or drugged, and i think they cheat themselves and they rob us, and in the end, drugs have taken from us someone who should have been here for a very, very long time. >> james lipton, thank you so much. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for being here. >> we'll be right back. discover card.

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knew i wasn't. >> because we are uncool. women will always be a problem for guys like us. most the great art in the world is about that very problem. good-looking people, they got no spine. their art never lasts. and they get the girls, but we're smarter. >> yeah, i can really see that now. >> yeah, it's what great art is about. the guilt and longing, you know, long disguises sex and sex disguises love. let's face it, you got a big head start. >> i'm glad you were home. >> i'm always home. i'm uncool. >> good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast, as you take a live look at new york city. >> it's messy out there. >> it is. back with us on set be we have mike barnicle, and nicole wallace, and harold ford jr. we'll have a lot more on the

life and the career of philip seymour hoffman in just a few minutes. what an incredible loss, and surprising, as well. >> stunning. >> everything about it. his family seems to be devastated and also incredibly surprised, as well, because he appeared to be clean for many years. but this appears to be an apparent drug overdose. what a career -- >> sad. >> -- we'll go through the whole thing and have guests on this, as well. other news, well, it ranges from the super bowl to politics. last night -- well, i called it, if i can just say -- >> what'd you call? >> what'd you call? >> the blowout? >> did not call the blowout. >> yeah, no. >> i was here the day you called it, you called seattle. great credit for that. >> thank you. yeah, you know, there are so many security stories in terms of -- i mean, i have to read more deeply into it, but i had people who were there. it was pretty well run given the

fact that a lot of people were claiming it was going to be such a pain to get there. but they had that placed locked -- >> down, yeah, for miles around it. >> for miles and miles and miles. >> the only time i've heard any commotion about the security and getting to the game was from people who were stuck at the secaucus path train station. >> my daughter did that and was not stuck, but probably left early enough, because she was so excited. >> harold, let's talk history for a second here. peyton manning. one of the five greatest regular season quarterbacks. >> i put him up there, in regular season, top three. >> regular season. you can't even put him -- you can't even put him on any list. >> no. >> in postseason, when it really couldn'ts. as marcus allen said last night, anybody that wants to put him on any top list just doesn't know why you play football. you play football to get to the playoffs, and then do what his

brother does in the playoffs. outperform all expectations. he was just god awful last night. he looked like, you know, a rookie quarterback. >> in fairness, they went up against the best defense, and that's all they talked about was peyton. nobody talked -- the only thing they talked about the defense, the young fellow -- >> we just showed an overthrow pass. passes were overthrown. >> seattle came with a defense, they had a chip on their shoulder last night. >> yeah, but come on. come on. peyton manning underperformed. >> he didn't have his -- i know him, i like him. he didn't have a good game. >> everybody says they like him, and the press comments after the game, he was so humble, took responsibility. talked about his own errors. the reason he's so revered is because of his humility, and i think if he -- talk about chip on his shoulder, i'm sure he has one now. >> well, you look at a situation like this, and there's no doubt that the seattle seahawks were incredible.

incredible defense, mike, start to finish. absolutely stunning. one screen pass after another just stopped because of their size, their speed. i mean, the entire -- but at the same time, there's no way a tom brady or a joe montana, my pick for greatest quarterback in the nfl history, there's no way either two guys like that would look this lost in the game. >> you know, people who know a lot more about the nfl certainly than i do have said all year long the two best teams in the national football league are seattle and san francisco. san francisco is more of a national team than seattle. seattle plays way up in the northwest corner of the country. it receives very little media attention, exposure, obviously other than during the sunday games. wilson, if he played on the east coast, he would be a ga laktic figure. but he's not. the relative obscurity of seattle. peyton manning is a tremendously

gifted football player. no doubt about that. he is one of, i would say, the top five quarterbacks of all time. it is an interesting case to be made, in yesterday's game, for all of the people that concentrate on football, yesterday's game, a dreadful performance, peyton manning broke the record for completed passes in a super bowl. but here's where the save the me trigs, you know, who won the game? >> yeah. >> russell wilson and the seahawks won -- >> the real nerds that dig into the numbers have something called a qbr. >> yeah. >> and that's how did these guys perform on the important plays of the game. there, russell wilson was 87%, 88%. manning was 21%. >> i have no idea what you guys were talking about. >> you want to talk about bruno mars, then? >> bruno mars was great. >> and bruno mars was very good. there you go. he was very -- i mean, he was --

drums, dancing, and a good show. >> yeah. >> you agree with me, joe, none of the music was memorable. >> no. >> we won't be humming the song bruno mars five years from now, but he was a terrific performer. >> i don't know who the guys with the shirts off, the old legs, the -- >> red hot chili peppers? >> yeah, don't know. what is this? get back to bruno mars. >> where were you in 1992? >> well, nerds. >> okay. >> how were they booked for the super bowl? >> very interesting choice. >> no, it didn't work. >> all right. >> can we move on? we have a lot of news. philip seymour hoffman was an actor's actor. the roles ranging from the hilarious to the heartbreaking. he was found dead in his new york city apartment of what police are calling an apparent drug overdose.

his films too numerous to name ranging from "magnolia" to "mission: impossible" to "big lebowski," "charlie wilson's war" and "master." the breakout role came as truman capote, a role that earned him academy award for best actor. he was comfortable on the stage as he was on the screen, drawing rave reviews in "death of a salesman." hoffman's life was marked by alcohol and drug dependence and struggles to get sober at a young age. >> i got sober when i was 22 years old. yeah. >> so this was drugs or alcohol or both? >> yeah, it was all that stuff, yeah. anything i could get my hands on, man. yeah. yeah, i liked it all. yeah. >> and why did you decide to stop?

>> you get panicked. you get panicked. i was 22, and i got panicked for my life. it really was, it was just that. >> very sad. >> yeah, he claimed to be clean for years, but reportedly went through a stint in lee hab last year. hoffman was found unconscious in his apartment with small bags of what is believed to be heroin nearby, and a needle in his arm. a family statement says, we are devastated by the loss of our beloved phil and appreciate the outpouring of love and support we have received from everybody. philip seymour hoffman was 46. >> and, mike, just as good of an actor as -- >> oh, amazing. >> -- today. >> the range, the scope of the roles that he performed are astonishing, from "boogie

nights" to "doubt" to "money ball" to "pirate radio." >> "capote." he had an incredible stint in "almost famous." which just stole the show in a few seconds. extraordinary actor. >> you said some of the great lanes around last night, i mean some of those -- some of the characters he played are the characters that we remember the most. and they weren't always the leading roles, but they were the wr ones that stayed with you with the longer, that had you quoting -- >> the way that cameron crowe wrote extraordinary lines for him in "almost famous," but even the way he delivered it. i went back and looked, and we were passing around youtube clips of it, where cameron crowe's character calls up and thanks him for being home after he gives him this lecture of where the critics, we're the dorks, we're the ugly kids that the guys don't like, and thaenk for being home. he said, of course, i'm home.

i'm a loser. just the way he owned -- he owned every line. he owned every script. he owned every character. he was an extraordinary -- he was in -- you don't say this about a lot of people you see on the screen -- but he was an artist. >> well, we have with us the digital director for "vanity fair" michael hogan to talk more about this. michael, thanks for being on with us. >> thanks for having me. >> the range, a lot of actors are the same person. but he brings something new to the table, no matter what the performance. >> yeah, he was very daring, very ambitious. and i think one of the things that people are really mourning right now is here's somebody who -- to look at him, you wouldn't think of him as a leading man, and he started out as a character actor playing, you know, stealing the show in these small parts, and over time, the talent was just so inescapable, that you see

filmmakers finding ways to create projects to tell stories that they could put him in the center of. and i think that that's something that really is one of the things that people are mourning today, here's a case of somebody -- he didn't win the genetic lottery. he had a lot of talent, perseverance, hard work, dedication. didn't just settle into a niche, but kept pushing himself and taking on extraordinary challenges. and more often than not, succeeding. more interesting when the whole project didn't necessarily work. >> exactly. let's look at some of hoffman's oscar winning performance in "capote." here it is. >> he said, i feel like you're spiting me. do you think i took this job to spite you? [ laughter ] i was writing the script as they were filming, all that time in italy, and i worked like mad all

day long. and then dash down to the bar. midnight, the next day's scenes, and humphrey, it's just about moved into the hotel -- >> humphrey bogart. >> -- where he and john -- >> john huston. >> -- and they drank every night. and i mean, drank, like famished water buffalos. >> well, michael, it's as if he literally becomes -- transforms himself, and that's what actors are supposed to do, but more often than not they don't. >> and to have the colonel to play the characters. frequently, he sort of played characters that were disturbing, that were kind of repellant -- >> yes. >> -- and he would dare you to dismiss them. he would make you see that they are a person, they do feel, they do have emotions and rationale. and i think that's one of the things so compelling, over and over again, you couldn't look away, because he was showing you something that maybe you didn't want to see normally, and yet,

here it was on screen, you know, that was one of his real special talents, i think. >> a great way of putting it. michael hogan, thank you very much. >> thank you. the super bowl was supposed to be chris christie's and new jersey's coming-out party, but over the weekend, the governor found himself playing defense over the latest accusations that he did know something about the closures of the lanes on the george washington bridge. a small crowd jeered the governor at a super bowl event on saturday. but the real fireworks came from former port authority official david wildstein who has resig d resigned. he said evidence exists the governor knew of the lane closures. after a measured response on friday, they came out with a letter a day later. it claims sloppy reporting by "the new york times" and the

e-mail attacked wildstein personally, claiming he threatened a culture of fear within the port authority. it even dug into his personal history in high school, alleging that he sued over a local school board election at the age of 16. it claims he also publicly accused his social studies teacher of deceptive behavior. to drive the point home, the e-mail concludes, quote, bottom line, david wildstein will do and say anything to save david wildstein. not sure that's the smartest ploy. >> no, but that's the sideways that chris christie will find himself in. he's got, what, 15, 16 people that will be -- >> somebody else resigned over the weekend. >> somebody else resigned over the weekend, and you'll have people coming forward. and, again, we'll see what happens when all of the evidence comes out, when all of the depositions are taken, when all of the documents come in.

joe, if you were in a position, would you advise a team to put a statement out -- >> no. you don't even have to ask the question. no. >> you said it on friday, and i think it drove the point home. if he is absolutely clear that he is completely separated from this situation, he should be doing town halls and moving along and -- >> well, yeah. and, also, i think instead of going after david wildstein, i think i would question "the new york times" reporting, because it's ambiguous at best. the statement came out -- so we're all sitting around, friday, i guess, you know, the big -- >> he knew. he knew. >> the big headline, he knew. and you're, like, oh, my god. so i send it to you, and chris knew. and there's an e-mail out there. let's look at it. and you read it. and it ends up, the statement says he knew the lanes were closed. yes, we've all known that he -- >> yeah, actually said knowledge

of -- >> it wasn't news. "the new york times" get this headline -- >> did he know about the cover-up? did you mastermind the cover? did he actually say, close the lanes? we don't know that right now. >> so the question, nicole, as you're looking at the news coverage, and i'm dead serious here, what is the news other than the fact that david wildstein is coming out swinging? the question is, did he know -- did he order it? did he know beforehand? we've already all known that he knew during the time -- >> who didn't know it was all over the new. >> i mean, the question really specifically is, did he order the lanes closed for political purposes? >> right. >> that is the -- you know, that's what puts his political career in peril. and we don't know the answer to that. now, i said on friday, we talked about this, joe, that this experience is going to be the education of chris christie in

terms of the modern media landscape. and this, to me, you know, friday night, was sort of lesson one. i'm not sure i would have responded the way they did. >> no. >> i think analysts and journalists would have sifted through this. my god, if someone held my 16-year-old behavior and personality against me if i were in a situation like this, i would be in trouble. >> -- we think youthful indiscretions go to 39, 40, 45. coming up on "morning joe," this is an incredible story. >> no. >> i mean, harold ford jr., can you believe it, everybody is getting ready to give money to hillary clinton. but it's like when you're looking ahead to the football game two weeks ahead of you instead of right in front of you, 2014. there are a lot of people run in 2014, democrats, that think -- that think the same thing that's happened, like, nixon, '72, took all the money for himself, republicans got wiped -- it's unbelievable. the democrats are starting to get really, really concerned

about it. that story straight ahead. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill, this is brutal weather coming in. >> joe, 50s over the weekend. listen to this. we have about 250 flights cancelled in the new york city area. 150 flights out of philadelphia. about 70 flights cancelled out of the greater d.c. area. new york city, about a slushy inch, now already accumulating. even midtown on the sidewalks, so that means the highways and roads will see the accumulation, too. waiting for the changeover, the capitol, d.c. we saw the changeover in philadelphia. philadelphia now has some of the big, heavy, wet snowflakes coming down, and it will get harder and heavier as the temperature falls. you still have a chance of a couple of inches of snow. the heaviest snow located on i-95 from baltimore to philly, new york city. trenton, 2 to 3 inches on the ground. worst of it, new york city area, 6 to 8 inches by this afternoon. hopefully, the roads will be

plowed for everyone as we go home. also a couple inches, hartford, southwards, not much around boston. pittsburgh, it looks like your snow is over with. and then, the next storm is right behind it, already winter storm warnings for tuesday around kansas city, and that storm's going to go through the northern ohio valley, and that'll be a new england special come wednesday. and then, we may have another storm coming late this weekend into next week. a very active winter weather pattern. drive safely around new york city as "morning joe" continues. [ female announcer ] starting with the cocoa bean,

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a live look at new york city. apparently, it's going to be one of the worst morning commutes ever. >> it's going to be bad. >> whatever you've got going, take it slow. let's look at the morning papers. "usa today," facebook reaches a huge milestone this week as the company celebrating its 10th birthday since it was founded in 2004 by mark zuckerberg, facebook has grown from 1 million users to over 1 billion worldwide. the social media giant says it plans to spend its next ten years adapting the website as its users continue to age. >> from our parade of papers, "the cleveland plain dealer," a nighted airlines flashing 60% of its flights as it ends its hub operations there. it will reduce daily flights from 199 to 72. that's awful.

united ceo says the hub in ohio hasn't been profitable for a decade, resulting in massive annual loss for the company. "the new york times," thousands of super bowl ticket holders faced delays as they travelled to the big game. attendees were urged to use trains and buses mainly due to a lack of parking at the stadium. nearly 28,000 fans packed into the secaucus train station, far exceeding initial estimates. some commuters say it took over 90 minutes to get through the station more than three times the normal commute. >> wow. >> i guess my daughter was lucky, she left about five hours early. >> left early. that is horrific. "l.a. times" the number of abortions hit the lowest level. couples are using contraceptive and the recession played a role in women delaying having children. abortion laws didn't have a major effect on the drop, since

most state laws were passed after 2011. >> "the minneapolis star-tribune" wipe of former vice president walter mondale is in hospice care. the family released a statement saying she is surrounded by her family and loved ones as they are life on this earth moves peafully to its close. mondale is 83 years old and known for being a strong advocate of the arts. and the "staten island advance" both punxsutawney phil and staten island chuck, they both saw their shadows, mika. that means another six long weeks of winter. >> oh, boy. >> mayor bill de blasio was on hand to get the forecast from chuck. it wasn't without a minor mishap. >> he dropped him. >> he was fine after the mayor dropped him, and the great groundhog scandal of 2014 -- >> i think he threw him down. >> it looked like he was

throwing him -- oh, my gosh. [ laughter ] >> no. and mayor bloomberg had a scuffle with him, himself, who bit the billionaire on the finger. the groundhog was put down three minutes later. and rob ford had another run-in with police. he was jay walking friday night. some witnesses say he was drinking at a local pub that night. but ford maintains he was sober. ford says that police went out of their way to ticket him. the incident is the latest in a series of bad news for the mayor, including a lawsuit filed by his sister's ex-husband. let's bring in the chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen. mike, politico is saying some democrats running for re-election this year are starting to get nervous that all of the attention about raising money for hillary in 2016 is going to make democratic donors overlook something a little more important right now, and that is

actually keeping the senate in 2014 for democrats. why? >> yeah, joe, this sin credible. there are signs that hillary clinton is too successful as she gears up for a run. you know, mark halperin has talked for years about the invisible primary. the concern here is that hillary clinton's operation is all too visible. so this is a story on the front page of the "wall street journal," reflects the conversations that we're having around washington. democrats are three big fears. one, as you mentioned, the money will be going to the ready for hillary and other hillary clinton operations, including the super pac priorities usa, instead of to those midterm candidates. two, you choke off other potential strong candidates. just yesterday, there was a story on the front page of the metro section, the "washington post," making it clear that the maryland governor, martin o'malley, wants to run hillary, knows hillary. and third, they're worried she won't be strong from having come

through a tough primary, so that -- so people are doing to try to deal with it, priorities usa are talking about the biggest donors and say, hold off, write your biggest checks after the midterms, after november 2014. that's a way to try to tamp down some of the concern. >> politico's mike allen, thank you. still ahead, our conversation with bestselling author jennifer senior. her new book pushes parents to reconsider some of the most basic beliefs about parenting. great. too late for me. >> too late. >> exactly. more "morning joe" in just a moment. weekdays are for rising to the challenge. they're the days to take care of business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters.

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>> i loved this one. it was a night for rock stars. i loved the bob dylan ad, and the u-2 ad that was done, i don't know why businesses can't apply to the practice that -- they raised -- >> millions. they have the download free for 24 hours. not only were the ads a big deal, but the super bowl was with preparties, sexy, sexy parties. >> how many did you go to? >> none. >> how many did you go to? >> none. >> how many did louis go to? >> i went to enough for all of you guys, so don't worry about it. >> i'm a none, too. >> well, new york was filled with parties over the weekend. i hit the red carpet at one of the most exclusive, the maximum party, and i found out what celebrities will do to cure the super bowl hangovers. the big apple is electric with super bowl parties, popping off all over the city, and, of

course, i'm at the most coveted one. >> the maxim party. >> new york is probably the best. this is mecca. >> right now, it's on fire. >> people are nuts for super bowl. >> to have the super bowl here, one of the biggest events in america, in the biggest city, this year the super bowl, is epic. >> when you speak about super bowl weekend, the maxim party is the must party to go to. >> what do you think the best super bowl hangover remedy is? >> i'm a big fan of a medium-rare burger. >> steam room. >> for me, it's whatever i was drinking that night. i'll have one in the morning. >> h2o. >> hydrate. >> i will hydrate. >> usually grease foods. >> beer fist, and then probably a bloody mary, and then just continue on that path. >> pedialite. >> this really strong coffee.

>> thickest cheeseburger you can get. >> hydrate. >> bloody mary. >> i would love to make everyone a great bacon, egg and cheese hangover -- >> i don't get hangovers, no. you're an amateur if you do that. >> i'm an amateur for sure then. >> yeah, an amateur. >> thomas -- >> we're trying to figure out -- we're old. we're trying -- melissa milano. >> bow-wow. >> the guy from shameless. >> my biggest -- the then that upset me the most is justin bieber didn't do the red carpet, but he was there, and so did steven tyler. >> we know. justin bieber -- >> would you have wanted justin bieber to do the red carpet -- >> i would have. i would have. >> what was the best response for hangovers, grease, right? >> yeah, grease was really it. steam room, t.o. was there, a steam room.

>> sweat it out. >> yeah. >> and you survived. look how good louis looks. >> i could use the steam room right now. steam room, a cheeseburger, a cup of coffee and a coke. >> a dark room to your right. i think that's the m.j. steam room. >> i'm going to the dark room right now. i'm outta here. >> coming up tomorrow, sarah jessica parker will be here on set. >> wow. >> check out our website, nicole's conversation with bestselling author anna quinlan. >> amazing. >> one of your heroes? >> one of the greatest writering of this generation, an incredible voice, incredible writer with incredible suggestions about the books she reads. >> and it's great, because you have a lot of time, when we're in the green room doing the interviews, we're not hog tied by time. >> people are relaxed. you know, they think, who's watching. >> you can check out mojo.msnbc.com. we're back with much more. why jennifer senior says modern

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♪ it's hard having kids, because it's boring. [ laughter ] that really is the hardest part having kids. ask any parent. what's the hard part? is it looking after their health care? is it making sure their education -- no, it's just being with them on the floor while they be children. it's just -- [ laughter ] -- they read "clifford, the big red dog" to you at a rate of 50 minutes a page, and you have to sit there and be horribly proud

and bored at the same time. [ laughter ] >> see, that's honesty. now, is it funny, and is it okay that a dad is saying that? can you imagine if a mother said that? >> it may be funnier. >> i'll say it. that's c.k. weighing in on the 2011 comedy special. and here he is now, contributing editor, jennifer senior, who also doesn't sugar coat parenthood in her new book, "all joy and no fun" the paradox of modern parenthood. it's so true. i've been looking at videos of my girls, when they were little, and they're so cute. i don't remember feeling that way at the time. >> yeah, you have girls, and they're teenagers -- >> yes, they're teens. >> you realize statistically you're not in a good place. >> i'm in a terrible place. >> the tension between mothers and teenage daughters, statistically, is borne out to be, like, one of the most challenging times. so if you're -- look at you. you're dressed.

you're functioning. yoo you are doing your job. and here's something interesting. if women have -- if anybody has a job that they like, friendships they like, hobbies they like -- >> you're a bad mother. >> no, anything to fall back on at that time. >> oh. >> during adolescence. you're in much better standing. the opposite. no, no, no, what happens, teenagers are so rejecting. >> oh, they hate me. >> that's not true. >> they don't bang on the door -- i don't believe her either -- >> no, no, no, it is -- >> you have to fall back on your own resources. >> and you did hit on something that i know there are a lot of moms out there that have given their lives for 13, 14, 15, 16 years. can you explain to all of them what you just said here, because i've seen it in my life -- >> i need to hear it again. >> -- women -- mothers, they can be the greatest mothers in the world, a girl turns 13, 14, 15, and suddenly, she hates her mother. >> it's peak tension time. it's worse -- >> much worse than boys.

>> boys and their fathers. it's much worse. this is replicated. it's been shown in study after study. >> yeah. >> here's the thing. so the we is, as you're ramping up to adolescence, if you're a mom, might be good to get a hobby. might be good to have a job that you like. because -- >> what about ear plugs? >> ear plugs? it's not indicated, but, you know, do as you wish. the point is, you are going to have to fall back on your own resources because they'll be unmasking all of these things about your life. >> they need space from you sometimes. >> and that's very hard often for the parent -- that's the thing. adolescence is a bigger thing for the parents than for the kids. and that's statistically borne out. >> so how many women have we known that have been working and quit work to raise children, and they raised girls -- >> right. >> -- and the girls -- they gave their lives to their girls and

their girls turn 13, 14, 15 and they turned on them. i'm not trying to be funny. >> no, no, you're right. >> and a mother who has given her entire life to this girl in front of her, who now is telling her, "i hate you," feels like she has failed at life. >> okay. and can i tell you something? our generation of parents in particular, who have spent more time with their kids, mothers in particular -- >> good god, tell me about it. >> -- women in the 1960s, we spend more full, saturation, full immersion hours with our kids, and the women who gave up everything in order to be present. there were moms that had the laissez faire, put them in the play pen, and then the same thing happens. the same grueling pain. >> can i add to that? it's actually worse. i have spent more time with my kids -- really, i'm dead serious -- >> you are -- >> you feel guilty in you don't. >> you need to stop.

>> i spend more time -- [ laughter ] i really want to make a serious point here. i spent more time with my children in a week than my father who i dearly love -- >> absolutely. >> spent with me in a year, and i can tell you looking back, especially with my two older boys, that there were times when i should have actually spent less time with them when i was home, when i was out of congress, when i shouldn't have smothered as much. and it's a then i'm trying to learn with kate and jack, too. mike, you have seven kids. >> seven. and look at you. >> it is bizarre how much time and effort we spend with our children almost smothering them, compared to what our fathers and mothers did with us. >> well -- >> who we dearly love. >> you can't even compare time spent with, you know, our parents spending with us. one of the things that concerns me with time spent with kids, in this culture, in this era right now, i don't want my children --

and they're older now -- obviously, to think they would have to spend as much time with their kids down the road -- >> you need to read this. mika, by the way -- mika is mother of the century. seriously. >> she made a cake last week, unbelievable. >> tell mika she needs to let go. >> i mean, if you had bought that cake, what would have happened? >> money couldn't have bought -- >> it was in the shape of running shoes. every year i make a very strange cake. >> if you enjoyed it, that's great. >> oh, my god, so much fun. i'm the only one who does. >> okay. >> but you felt like you needed to make that cake. >> yeah. >> can you counsel her after -- >> here's the cake. >> what does it look like? >> like running shoes. >> really? >> snazzy running -- >> it looks like someone stepped on them. >> they're gorgeous. >> here's the bottom line, and

i've seen it with mika and myself, and parents our age, you, too, i don't know about mike as much, you, we are driven for some bizarre reason by guilt. mika is, like, running a 1,000 miles an hour, taking her kids everywhere. she has to be at every event. she just never stops. and i've been through it a couple of times already. so getting a little better. why are we so driven by guilt? >> it gets you nothing. >> and french aren't at all. they're -- >> well, they're provided child care -- they are, denied they're chain smoking throughout the whole thing, like betty draper. >> boy, that's something to -- >> so, i know, it's really not the standard. >> i think you just jumped the shark -- >> yeah, something to aspire to, i tell you what i think is going on, the guilt is, in part, a reaction to the ambivalence that

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♪ all right. so it's hard to believe that after 13 seasons on "snl," seth meyers is moving on. he's been fantastic at the newsdesk. he is set to take over with late night from jimmy fallon. some friends stopped by saturday night to say good-bye. take a look. >> seth, we are here to take you to the other side. >> we're, like, a gateway drug, you know, like bath salts and meow meow. >> two, three -- ♪ it's hard to say good-bye

>> it is my last show, and i just want to say being out here with me co-anchors and my dear friend and my husband is the perfect way to end. this is the job i always wanted, and i had the best time and i met the best people, and i want to thank the crew and the cast and especially the writers and, loren, and thank you very much. >> weekend update, i'm sesly strong. >> i'm amy poehler. >> i'm stephan myers. >> and i'm seth myers. good night. >> oh, so sweet. they're getting choked up. and they had fun with congressman grimm's -- >> what about claims made by your excampaign -- >> i'm here to talk about the planning committee and nothing else. >> but your constituents -- >> we're done here. >> so as you can see, the congresswoman is not interested

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joe? >> what i learned today was from nicole that republicans are from mars and "the new york times" reporters are from venus. and i guess that's all -- >> it's way too early, joe. here's chuck. >> i've got questions for limb. >> venus is the blue planet, mars is the red one. pushing back on calling the plan small ball, president obama's super bowl sitdown gets rough enough that hillary clinton seems to want to chime in with a playful punch at fox on twitter. plus, the bridgegate battle gives way to a high school parking lot fight as governor chris christie's team trashes a former top official whose lawyers suggest he's ready to burn some bridges. tragic loss of a man considered by many the finest actor of his generation, my