>> then we have one that says the embassy suites in chicago escorted me to a room occupied by a naked man. >> big mike said he washed his feet in his berlin sink and broke it. why didn't he use the shower? i don't know. that's it for now. >> it is 6:00 a.m. on the east coast. as new yorkers brace again for another de blasio snowstorm. stop! >> i wanted to talk about the coca-cola ad but instead, donnie

deutsche, like bush '41 and hurricane katrina, now we have blizzard bill. we said it would happen and it's happening. >> the roads were slipping. >> how were the little guys that came up -- >> in the pink jumpsuit? under the bloomberg administration, as soon as it would snow between madison and 8th and -- >> you are why we all hate the upeper east side and people moe live there. >> and how i used to feel so safe under the breast of bloomberg and now they're not

there anymore money. >> this has gone from the city that doesn't sleep to the city that can't walk. >> i put on my best snow boots. >> stand up. we got to get the whole -- >> these are pajamas. >> and we have mika the snow bunny. >> there is no way anybody should have dressed in regular gear. >> you're wearing pajamas. >> they're not pajamas. >> this is ski lodge stuff. >> i've never been in a ski lodge but if i did, this is what i'd wear. >> you're looking really good. who are you dressed for? >> the snow. i have my snow boots on. >> can we do the news, please? >> hi, thomas. rogers. >> what the heck. >> i'm sorry about that. in new york city with snow falling on the east coast once

again, commuters should expect a treacherous ride to work. apparently epically treacherous. some areas could see a foot of snow. let's go straight to bill karins updating the forecast. sunday looks different but today looks terrible. >> this morning the timing of this with the heavy snow overnight and the sleet and freezing rain on top of it, it makes for a miserable morning. let me take you through it. 77 million people still under a winter storm warning, schools are out all the way back from just south of chicago, indianapolis, right through ohio, much of pennsylvania, new york state and all of new england, a lot of people will be out today for the snow and the ice. where is the worst occurring right now? as we look from pittsburgh to philadelphia northward towards the new york city area, that's where we've been seeing the

snow. now it's changed over to areas of ice. the boston area, by the way, you are about to get dumped on some very heavy snow. i've seen reports of 4 to 5 inches of snow, especially areas of southern connecticut. by about noon today a lot of it would be overwith from new york city southward. we're going to end up probably with power outages today and the ice on top of it. that will probably be the worst of it. sunday looks a little better, some snow but no longer looking at a nor'easter type scenario. today is probably the worst of the next couple of days. >> we'll be getting right back to you, bill. thank you very much. >> already struggling to make ends meet, the congressional budget office says more than 2 million americans will either quit their jobs or cut their hours because of obamacare over the next seven years.

a previous report by the nonpartisan group said the number of jobs lost would be around 800,000. it's important to note the report does not directly tie job loss to obamacare. it focusses on how individuals will choose to participate in the workforce. still, for republicans the report, especially the headline, is validation for what people have been saying for years, the president's health law will have a negative impact on every day americans. the troubled rollout of healthcare.gov means 1 million fewer americans will receive coverage through the marketplaces than was originally expected. however, white house spokesperson jay carney said americans would to longer be trapped in a job just to provide coverage for their their opportunity and would have the opportunity to pursue their

dreams, this report bares that out. >> obamacare's score keepers deliver a game changer. live by the sword, die by the sword. in congress, it's slightly different, live by the cbo, die by the cbo. this independent arbiter, long embrabsed by the white house, has validated a complaint that it will discourage work and become an ungangly entitlement. let me just say, mike barnicle, example, as i learned, a lot of those score keerps are center left economists. this is a group of some fairly -- i won't say progressive but center left economists. the cbo may always have been.

fascinating. you said before we cape on the air never have the "new york times" and the wall street journal written two diametrically opposed op-eds the way they did this morning. >> you would be hard pressed to find two editorial products that are more in opposition to each other than "new york times"'s lead editorial and the wall street journal's editorial on a situation, health care that, is become being increasingly confusing to people like me. i can't figure out what's going on with the bill. "new york times," the budget office projects a sharp increase in enrollment in two 16 and its projections for subsequent years remain essentially unchanged. new law will free people young and old to seek positions they are most qualified for and will no longer feel locked into a job they don't like because they need insurance for themselves

and their families. hard to view this as a disaster. >> now the wall street journal? zlt the low-ag >> the lou wage workers will, quote, have the opportunity to pursue their dreams, unquote. there have it, the wall street journal says, the new american dream of not working. >> and it's pretty remarkable when jay carney says this is great, it allows people not to work. they can stay at home. we're not not talking about people who just sold their third business. we're talking about people choosing to be on entitlement programs. it says the insurance subsidies are gradually taken away as incomes rise creating an

implicit tax on additional earnings. >> the cbo is not as clear cut. i think more people are going to lose their jobs because employers are not going to hire additional people. but this really cuts the cbo report. it's not as clean as the right or left like to say it is but it cuts to the heart of the divide between conservatives and liberals. that is, it actually gives people an incentive not to work, according to the cbo. >> i tell you fortunately or unfortunately for the 3 million americans, they're not going to have mike barnicle coming to their door reading this in depth. it's going to come down to the headlines, obamacare costs americans a million jobs or 2 million jobs. and that they have that football. >> and they also have the president talking about the cbo says this, as dana milbank says

live by the cbo, die by the cbo. this is so nuance. i said before, nobody knows how the health care act is going to play out. conservatives think it's going to be bad, liberals think it's going to be worse. we do know what this is going to do to 30. second ads. >> less jobs. even the response of you have the opportunity to choose more does not refute that. however you nuance it, there is no intelligent, smart, 30-second rebuttal to that. this is a huge, huge win. >> okay, so -- >> and, mika, the bigger problem is about an issue that democrats have always been uncomfortable running on. i say democrats. congressional democrats have never liked to go home and

campaign on the affordable care act. now this on top of -- >> because it's an acknowledgement of exactly how it's going to play out over the years is very hard to pin down overs long term because it may cut health care costs in e.r.s and other ways. it may balance out flp's also, sam, another way to look at this headline and see it could be a tad bit misleading. >> yeah. i don't dispute anything that's been said on the panel at all. i think it's politically problematic from the headline. if you look at the issue, what they're saying is the employee will have more personal choices and freedoms going forward because of the the affordable health act than the employer. so in 2008 harvard universitied there are11 million people in this country that would like to leave their jobs but were afraid to do so because they were worried about health care coverage that would come with

being on the market. so this essentially says now you have an option for health care coverage. you go out to the individual market, get tax subsidy and leave the job and do things you want to do. in some cases that's retire early, in some cases that's work part time instead of full time. i talked to somebody in arizona yesterday who wanted to start a a small business with their husband but they couldn't believe leave their positions because of insurance. now, that can't get condensed foo a 30-second ad. dony's right, it's very difficult. and the rush to judgment was a little premature too. >> and i was thinking that's a great story for someone to tell on the campaign trail, if you're a democrat. and then i was just thinking,

wait a second, that's going to get buried in a blizzard of 30-second ads. >> by the way, i have the same sweater and i was going to wear it and thank god i decided no to the. >> i went to dart mourt and everybody was wearing that. >> sam, let's play "madmen" for a second, i do the 30-second ad that said he promised you o could choose your provider, it cost this country 2 million jobs. plets play "mad m-- let's play "madm "mad men," what's your 30-second response? >> my response is let's talk

about something else. people will feel the benefits of not having job loss, which is not anne significant thing. in 2008 the heritage foundation, john mccain were arguing for a health care system that got rid of job lock. they thought it was bad to not have mobility on jobs. >> that's a problem for democrats this morning waking up on capitol hill, thomas, because i've done this a few times, and i know it drives people crazy when i go oh, when i was in congress but i've done this a few times. up see things like that happen you go, oh my, god. if you're a democrat, a lot of my democratic friends are capitol hill are -- it just keeps coming. >> republicans need a win. they're like peyton manning right now. >> i don't know that i would call republicans like peyton manning. >> that's cute. >> there is a state in our country where this works,

massachusetts. the sun still rises, people go to work. >> some even like it. >> some love it. over 90% of people are covered with health insurance. the heritage foundation initiated this along with mitt romney. >> let's follow um on job lock. how many times have we heard that? this would be a good argument for democrats because it used to be that people would -- when i first got into the workforce people would look at the salary and then they'd look at benefits. now so many people go what's the health care situation? because it just become so oppressively expensive for some. >> the health care markets have gone unregulated for so long. so obviously there's a problem with what they've been giving and what has been spent and pushed into it.

and emergency room care, too, as we look at that and what that's done to the system in and of itself. uninsured people showing um in emergency rooms has cost all of us money. we're under water with trying to reverse that. but the cbo, it very interesting the white house has lived by cbo projections in the past, especially when it comes to the unemployment and jobless rate in the country. this going to be interesting how they talk about this and try to cherry pick, as. >> tries to do with this report. >> i'm wondering, is there a parallel universe going on here? washington is just different from the rest of the country? >> there as a huge element of sadness that we as a nation have been unable to we were the

jocks. we haven't dealt with the fact that technology is stripping america and americans every single day of jobs. we haven't dealt with it. >> so is the 3% that's optimistic about america's future, let me be optimistic here, too. the affordable care act, my prediction at the end as a conservative, you wouldn't recognize it. it will be shredded legislatively like swiss cheese over the next decade but historically people will look back and say that was a moment americans decided that the health care system had to be affectioned and there was no going back. i know because there are conservatives now say being woo can't go back to the old system. let's figure out a way to make this system better. whether you call it obamacare or paul ryan care or whether you call it ted cruz care, whatever

it's called, americans understand what you said, that there's no free lunch and having no health care plan is even more expensive to americans when we make the poorest americans takes their children into the emergency room at 11:00 and we all end up paying four or five times more than we would if we just figured out a system where the treule disadvantaged were taken care of and people had health insurance. >> i hope you're right. that point would put it probably at the year of 1936, 1937, vis-a-vis the same arguments on about social security. so social security went on and spros perred. >> the last story of this block, a new study said it has found the answer to a longer life to you all. >> by the way, i've read this

story. it's over. i've got another week and a half. >> i'm leaning in. what is it? >> it makes a big difference if you're man. researchers found that sleep is more critical to man's health as he grows older while die set more important to a woman. diet -- women are twice as likely -- >> you know what t.j. just said in my ear? >> what? >> nice knowing you. poor sleep habits lead to poorer diet to both sexes. >> t.j. said nice knowing you

because if i get three hours of sleep a night, i'm good. >> wow. >> i just don't sleep. i just can't sleep. >> funeral mass will be held at st. ignatius church for mr. saturday this friday. >> so "morning joe" will reeb placed by the pee wee herman show. >> well, you're dressed for sleep right now. >> i'm always hoping that one of these moments i'm going to sleep. so you want to have your pajamas on when you fall over, right? >> how many times hours had are new bed? >> this is the worst effort ever. >> i'd love to kb get to bed by 9:00 and i have two young kids -- and you have no good rules for them to be in bed. they should be in bed before 9:00. the little ones, 8:00.

>> if i'm in bed by 10:00, i'm lucky. if i sleep till 1:00, i'm lucky. then it's off and on until i get up at 3:30 or so. >> i have two young girls running around my house and then i got my kids. >> what time to do they go to bed, donnie? >> i didn't get it at first. your 25-year-old kid are different than my 25-year-old kid. >> i have a 6 and 10-year-old. they're asleep by 8:30. >> learn from this. discipline. >> i am the most disciplined parent of all times. >> except for this. >> but as far as bedtime goes. >> it's bad for their health. >> it might as well be a grateful dead commune. the kid wander around until

11:00 at night saying i think i'm going to watch old carson reruns. >> promise me this changes today. they can't concentrate at school, they can't get up in the morning and they're grumpy. they've got to be in bed by 8 clack. >> that's gross. >> no. >> once little jack who is 5 goes on the turntable and puts on the dead album and "dark star" goes on. >> they are the sweetest, most behavior -- they snoofd. >> i want to see your threats. >> we're sending social services. >> no. >> i've always admired like the staffords, pensacola.

>> yet? >> the jay is crazy, the father is crazy. >> and they end up being career criminals. >> kids need a schedule. are those your glasses? >> so do your kids go to sleep -- >> 7:30. i dragged that out. he was hell on wheels all day and then he should go to sleep. i rock her to sleep. she's so cute. >> i was never able to do that. never able to do that. coming up, walter isakson joins us. >> gillian's back! i better find the liquor store.

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it's just gorgeous out. i want to go jogging. from the "new york post," police arrested four people that may be associated with the actors death. investigators found hundreds of envelopes of heroin. they're learning that hoffman made six atm withdrawals totaling $1,200 just before the hours of his death. sources tell nbc he was talking to two men wearing messenger bags. broadway will dim its life tonight in hoffman's honor. >> and robert andrews is leaving

capitol hill for a job at a new jersey law firm, amid allegations he used campaign funds for trips. he had his name attached to 600 pieces of legislation. >> several communities in california are counting the days until-the-run out of water. some rural areas have between 60 to 100 days until wells and reservoirs run dry. mandatory conservation efforts are in place with households ordered not to exceed 110 gallons a day. this satellite photo shows the toll the drought is taking on the state. california's agriculture industry is facing reductions. >> and "the "new york times," in

a will, the deceased pope are to burn notes and the guy turns it around and makes it into a book? >> the catholic church says the decision is disrespectful and goes against law and morality. the cardinal said he felt it would be a crime to destroy them. >> how disgraceful. wow. also in the times, haslem laid out a plan to offer two free years of college and technical school, and would apply to those with two-year degrees.

>> radio shack says it will close 500 stores nationwide as it begin as major restructuring. the news comes on the heels of the company's super bowl ad in which the company acknowledged plans to reinvent its brand. >> okay. >> what? >> the 80s called. they want their store back. ♪ ♪ >> everyone's watching to see what you will do. ♪ everyone's looking at you >> it time for a new radio shack. come see what's possible when we do things together. >> how funny, they had cliff clafen there. >> they had mary lou rhettin.

>> and alf. >> that was a good commercial. >> 80s called and want their store back. >> the coca-cola commercial, there's little controversy around that and, in fact, i had a member of my family call from florida saying they didn't care too much for the coke commercial. i thought it was really moving. we ought to show that ad and talk about it. it was a great radio shack ad, right? >> great radio shack ad. any advertiser that can make fun of themselves, they walk right into what was their biggest perceived negative and turn it around. the coke spot is interesting. all that is is a demonstration of the demographic divide in this country. it is a dem administration where people around would go no, that's not our market. it's really a fascinating 60 second demonstration that we are two nations right now.

>> it is fas fat. >> and i understood, i understood but i actually -- out of many -- >> they all come from somewhere. >> i don't know. when i see ads like that, it makes me just smile and think, yeah, we're the united states of america and we do what no other country has been able to do in the history of mankind. you no what, rest of the world, you can -- >> bite me. >> exactly. >> what was your family members -- how did they articulate the problem? what exactly did they say? >> just we're one nation. you know, it should be -- >> andrew dice clay, learn the language or get the health out of -- >> i wish you wouldn't compare

my family members to andrew dice clay. i can understand why there are people on both sides of this divide, i really can. i'm just telling you, it's kind of like -- i think grover norquist and i are the the only two conservatives in the universe that when they were talking about building the muslim center down by ground zero, i sat there and i was like, yeah, yeah. do it. and show the rest of the world they can kiss our butt. >> okay. >> that we can do it. they can knock down buildings if they want to, we're more powerful and we're stronger and the idea of america is so massive and huge and strong that i hope we do it to rub the haters -- rub their noses in it. that commercial to me just shows that america is set apart. we are, as we saare sanctified.

but the fact that we're talking about it i think is probably pretty good. what do you think of the ad? >> i liked it. but i'm the daughter of immigrants. i like to get a sense of different perspectives given the problems that we have in the media. and i saw a couple of people bashing it and i didn't get it at all. i thought it was kind of ludicrous, their argument. >> you had the cheerios ad, the interracial couple. we are seeing the advertising finally catching up to what families looked like in this country. and like it or not like it, brilliant ad we're talking about

it. >> exactly. they just showed it. >> if we had a seven-second delay, i would say what i actually felt like saying. go here the team song of america, very proud to be an american. >> mike allen is here with the morning playbook. there's a new piece you guys have in politico that say the races aren't really the ones to watch. tell bus it. >> that's right, mika. i have to kind of plead guilty. this piece is called "politico's six most overrated races of 2014. this is larry saboteau who is doing a political column. the point he makes is that races that make great copy and great

fodder aren't necessarily going to be close money miss lead experience is mitch kentucky in the country. it turning out that his race may not be that close, that mitch mcconnell has a bad approval rating but nay may not a be that bad an example. the wendy davis case in texas, stand with runny. texas very republican. even though wendy davis is going to get a ton of attention, larry said oo she doesn't have real chance of winning. governor scott johnson, all the races we love to talk about, look at the states, these people really are that endangered. >> politico's mike allen. thank you so much. coming up, the limb peacekeeper

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hard to believe it is upon us. >> looks like lake placid. >> sochi. >> absolutely gorgeous. look how snowy. >> it's 3:40. >> there's almost snow. >> just a winter paradise. >> palm trees. >> kind of reminds you of the final scene in "frozen." >> as we all know -- >> so sochi, the town, is really supposed to provide this beautiful back drop. it gorgeous. look at those blues skies. the games are a little overshadowed by the reporters there talking about accommodatio accommodations. workers are pushing hard to pave the roads, complete other

buildings and projects and only six out of nine of the hotels are operational. when this reporter was asked by front desk about this, she was told "do not use on your face because it contains something very dangerous." >> so one reporter went to buy his own water to use but he realized at the last minute it was a plastic bottle of gin and then he was accosted by a three-legged dog. apparently they have a wild dog issue in sochi. >> and then one message "please do not flush the toilet paper down the toilet, use the bin provided. anyway, what they can and cannot do in their bathroom.

apparently fishing out of the toilet is not allowed. especially if you're fishing out your toilet paper. >> wait consideration you go back to that sign? >> go back to the xs. >> there was somebody on the floor or something. >> keep that up there. >> i'm in possession of three light bulbs. will trade for a door handle. this tweet a real. >> they want to go back to the toilet graphic. >> can't stand up. no throwing up. >> can't do spread eagle by the toilet. >> what is that? >> is this all russian stuff they do over there in toilets? >> look at the one sitting with his feet on the toilet. now, in college that was called an upper decker. >> whoa! >> anyway, let's -- >> no, no!

what? what? >> i did not go to college in russia. western maryland college. >> thomas i hand you the mantle -- >> what? >> she's hiding behind him. >> kids, here we go. >> how about them red sox. >> i'm very excited. they have a little lego guy right here. jack and i are huge ngago fans, they are like legos. my lego movies -- let just move on, mika. my prediction is this lego movie is going to be huge. jack, he loves legos. my older boys, too. loved legos. and now there are parents at home whose parents watch

ninjago. they this lego movie is going -- do you have kids? i'm going throb the first day. it's an amazing brand. you talk about branding, what an incredible brand. >> no, it's still stuck in our heads. >> coming up next, "the financial times," gillian tett joins us. ♪ honestly? my kids were always on my laptop.

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gillian, we have a lot to talk about, including the lego movie. you have a great number about the deficit, cut in half. but real worries about the growth in america and the world. what's going on? >> absolutely. well, basically the markets have been on a bit of a roller coaster ride recently. they did come back yesterday, that's the good news, but there's a lot of concern about and the excuse if you like the ones that have been falling have been emerging markets and concerns of what's happening in china or brazil or end ndia isn quite as good as people thought. >> the one in china, it been growing really fast, sucking in a lot of -- exporting a lot. the question is can they sustain that growth rate. so much of the global story has

been on the back of china. the key points of stress are the emerging market issues, the people are still questioning the u.s. recovery is for real and the big number to watch is the friday jobs report. >> what's the difference between the jobs reports and the gdp growth. you see 3s are 3.5% growth and if it's the 1980s you're thinking, hey, mornings in america. >> absolutely. a lot of it down to the fact that we're seeing if you like a jobless recovery in many ways opinion that's partly because of income inequality, and that's because of all the electronic communications and stuff replacing workers. people were talking a lot about the china threat. tease days it's as much to do with the fact you're having digitization, additional networks working us all. >> you actually say your daughters are lego fans, which

is great because it's always been sort of a boys thing. but talk about -- >> i am a huge lego fan. in fact, weir going to lego premier tomorrow. it's probably denmark's best export right now. the thing about lego is traditi traditionally it's a boy toy. these days they're trying to get girls involved. if they want more girls doing stem subjects, technologies or -- it reminds me of a conversation i had with shell sandberg, who really pushes young girls to go into technology, to have computers and play computer games. an offset would be lego, which the company is now trying to draw little girls. and they'll play. >> we talked to gillian and it really is the andy ipad.

jack, who is 5 years old will sit down with a box, he'll get it out, he'll read the directions and an hour and a half later you'll start seeing things coming together and he'll look. it's pretty remarkable. >> and it requires discipline. it has to come from within the kid, it requires that kid being focused for a while but you get a real sense of achievement. >> digital dexterity, too. >> i always give speeches about follow your passion, whatever it is that can turn to a career. i'll show a guy who was a lego speech. even in college people would make fun of him. he had a six-figure law degree job, quit it to work at lego land and now he gets $20,000 a sculpture making lego s.

>> right now lego has architectural boxes so you really can create buildings around the world. you're instilling the idea that it's cool to design building and being an engineer. >> i will be there. >> stay with us. >> all rob ford's high jinx here, running the fourth largest city in america. we're going to talk to the reporter who first shed light on the mayor's troubling behavior. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪

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i'll let other people worry about that. and this great quote from steve jobs was -- steve jobs talked about the disease that took over -- that took over apple when scully became the ceo. and he said the disease was this, that scully and apple started believing if you have a great idea, well, you just tell people here's my great idea. and everything else will take care of itself. and this is a steve jobs quote and i was tieing it to barack obama, having that great idea is no good if you can't actually turn it into concrete action. the apple founder said the very serious disease that overtook apple when scully took over the company is that 90% of the people thinking that having an idea will work but as you evolve the great idea, it changes, it

grows, it never comes out as it starts because you learn a lot more as you get into the subtleties of it. you find there are tremendous trade-offs you have to make. there are certain things you can't make electrons do or make plastic do or glass do or factories do or robots do. and then i saw as i was reading that, i was just thinking -- i'm not just knocking barack obama here, i'm knocking all of us. there are so few people that had the great mind of steve jobs, the extraordinary mind and vision but also with just a hard ass and was practical and he knew to get it from here to right here and make it beautiful and make it great and make it transformative, you had to knock down a thousand walls. >> you know, what you need is both innovation and execution. steve jobs was able to do it. you say that happened with microsoft now. it's good to have a product engineer, an engineering person,

who knows how to engineer products. because you can't execute unless you know the nuts and bolts, unless you played with the lego set and no what fits to the. i think bill gates was an engineer, steve jobs put things together. you're right, it's execution, not just innovation. >> not just to go on and on about steve jobs but what -- how did he develop into that kind of person where he had that remarkable imagination? he said bill gates should have dropped out. maybe that was the trick, moms and dads but what was it that made steve jobs that kind of guy? >> you know, steve had a certain passion for perfection. it made him a -- there's a technical term in silicon valley that begins with an "a" but i'm into the going to tuesday used it on the air. he just wouldn't let any imperfection go.

that's not the best way of doing things. one thing president obama is good at is a more collaborative leadership. if you're going to evolve something and make it better, you do need to have collaboration. i think that's what's missing in washington. >> but wasn't part of his genius is that he knew where to focus. apple did so many products, unlike sony. he focused and once he had a good idea that passed its sell by date is he i bandoned it. the problem that microsoft is doing today is they are doing too much. that issue of prioritizing and focusing applies as much to the president. >> steve jobs said you've got to focus. google is doing too much. it will end up like microsoft, just doing 100 different things and none of them well. steve focused on a few products.

he used to have a white board. he'd put 10, cross out the bottom seven. now we'll have to see what will be the bottom one apple will do, too. >> meekia you are a perfect example. apple is not focusing as obsessively or something -- i don't know. something's being lost in translation because you're starting to see glitches on iphones, glitches on computer, glitches in the cloud. you've had one problem after another. >> i have. and the own thing keeping me switching from samsung or something other is the carrier. >> getting locked in like you do on health care. >> i want to ask you about that. >> it's very simple. you can't have a visionary

owner/operator like steve jobs lifted out of the equation and three to five years later not start to see the effects on the company. >> we'll apply this concept to the latest news because the cbo said it 2 million americans, walter and then chuck and then sam, will either quit their jobs or cut their hours over said the number of jobs loss will be around 800,000. the report doesn't tie it to obamacare. it talks about how individuals cloos to participate in the workforce. >> the had hadline is damaging only if you don't look underneath the headline. >> what's going on here? you're not losing jobs. we've gained 8 million jobs in the past four years. what you're doing is allowing workers more flexibility, more opportunity, if they want, not

to be trapped in a certain job because that's the only job that gives them health care. now they have an opportunity to get health care without it being tied to an employer. this was a whacky system we've had for the past 50, 60 years where you mainly got your health through your employer. you don't want to have that restriction on people to. >> if you said spouses couldn't get coverage under the workers' plan, the number of people choosing to be in jobs. >> so democrat would be wise to listen to walter isaacson.

people like myself of course will seize upon what the cbo said, that obamacare and affordable care act discourages hard work. this is the cbo's own language here that, it creates an implicit tax on additional earnings. that's what the wall street journal takes from that. these effective -- let that philosophical debate. >> forward over the next six months or so. i guess the problem now for democrats is how do you get past that headline that walter was talking about? because that's the 30-second ad. not everything beneath it that walter was talking about. >> republicans were so giddy yesterday because they look at

it and say we can cheri pick this. i there and shockingly it's a challenge nobody will face which the cbo is essentially saying we've got a long-term economic stagnation problem. they talk about that the short term economy is going to grow. essentially they're saying in the next ten years, we're not going to grow the way we could grow for a couple of region. the a -- reasons. we have an aging workforce. that's also an argument for immigration reform. you want to get new workers into the country, get younger workers into the system. the other big thing is the deficit load. so if you take out social security and health care,

medicare, medicaid and the health care exchanges, if you take that out of the budget, we are now spending connected to gdp as a percentage of gdp less money on government programs than we did in 1940, preworld war ii. that's where we're projected to go. the problem is are deficits going to tn to because of the aeji aejing. >> i was going to say the next 10, 15 years, social security, medicare, medicaid is going to be taking up every dime. you have erskine bowls saying that's happening right now. >> how do you solve the problem for an aging population? you can't legislate your way out of here.

you can't get people to go younger. you can't get people to say, hey, take some testosterone or some sort of steroid -- >> donnie does temperature he's on human growth hormones. >> makes him look great in baby gap. >> you're doing it the way you always do it. i'm the guy that says you have to trim the entitlement programs for the next 15, 20 years but just subtracting is not the way to grow the economy. we've got to integrate. >> the good thing about the u.s., you have to integrate more. you have a liar

level production. >> we're a bloated nation. we're just not hungry. what comes with getting older is the need to proceed versus the need to produce. starting with heck, that is the care yesterday thing in the there's tough choices that come in the out years, and it funny that but it pops back up because of the aging generation. those choices have been presented to the political system and largely been buffed. there is this huge brouhaha over this idea of rationing health care, saying some services are going to be off the table because they're too expensive for the government to cover. rationing became a huge rallying

call for people who didn't bleach in health care. the same thing with social security. you have to have a combination and hike of payroll taxes. it's the logic al logical. >> so those choices are just not being made. >> that's what, quote, unquote, became death panels. in we don't make these choices for people under the. >> what donnie just said, we're blolted. look at the major debates over the past decade. they've not been about growing this economy, not about innovating. we've talked about creating a governmental health care program. we've talked about a governmental stimulus program.

we've talked about bank bailouts. with the bush administration, it was at war in iraq, it was the war of a stan -- well, it focused on growing the governme government, we haven't been talking about the the types of jobs that will lauv if and we have deficits starting to go down now do the big things that we've been talking about. i'm sure president obama and senator nk connell have said it before, there is a bargain to be made on long-term entitlements. we know chuck and sam both explained it. we p we could also have an economy that provides economic

opportunity for everybody, which is to say you goat go to a trade school, vocational school, community college for free for two years because you need to be trained to be in the new workforce. it also even means doing the free-k so everybody gets an community opportunity. this is how you grow the economy is by creating productive workers. >> all right. thank you owe the daily rundown." >> check, we'll. >> do you really have barbra streisand coming on to snowden. >> yeah, but she spells her name with the extra a o.

>> peyton manning. >> my son slapped me down hard. he was telling me all weekend that the seahawks were going to win by 45 minutes. >> he was telling you? >> he was nonstop. >> how about the week before? >> that guy was nonstop. >> we're going to get to nbc's hoda kotb. >> let's go to bill. >> now people in new jersey are starting to lose power. last word about 20,000. that number is going to grow quickly when you look at the radar. the temperatures are the key. the freedsing line is just north of redding and north of trnton. i-78 north wards is where the freezing rain will be.

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the jobe family from oregon, they're expecting a second child. instead of having the doctor tell them the information, they had the doctor put the information in an envelope. they're in the parking lot and decided it open it there. >> we're about to find out the sex of the baby. are you ready sm. >> yes. >> i can't believe it. >> oh, god. >> oh, my god! >> it's a boy. >> and a girl? >> it's a boy!

>> i want a sister! >> you got a brother. [ screams ] >> maybe she shouldn't be allowed to hold the baby for a few month. >> she started crying? that's hilarious. joining suss the co-anchor of the fourth hour of "today," hoda kotb. now out in paper back, i love this book. i already heard an alcohol effort. >> when i'm in the gym, i tune in to "morning joe" and i'm into it. >> what? >> we want you to feel comfortable. we usually have a 10:00 a.m. time. be someone has to be with me. you? >> yes.

>> i'm not real comfortable. >> it usually white. >> we do red. we decided to be healthy. >> daniela, if you could pour the gentlemen some wine. >> i'll just drink out of the bottle. >> no, you will not drink out of the bottle. >> you have pretty glasses. >> they sell those in the store. >> no, no, can i have those for my house? >> yes, yes you can. they sell them. >> i want glasses like that. >> cheers. >> congratulations on all your success. >> hoda and i have known each other way too long. like we were back in see caucus t -- secaucus back on msnbc. what were you doing there? >> i was filling in and not well. >> is this what you drink? >> no, there's something wrong with that. that seriously has been in the

"morning joe" cabinet forever. >> no, there's something wrong with that, it's rancid. >> oh, i don't feel well. >> i was always filling in and that was it. i never did it well and i was always nervous. i remember going to secaucus and thinking like every one of those days of the most important day of my life. >> and so many life experiences, including a major health scare and transformation of your life have made you less scared. is that fair to say? >> yeah. i was diagnosed with breast cancer six years ago and at that moment you think that, you know, this is the worst thing that could possibly happen. it is in a way but you also learned to overcome. i got four words after i got sick and i got better and the four word were "you can't scare me." it was so empowering. both of us were always trying to find our way and my place. and after i got sick i decided to ask for something.

i said i'm going to go to jeff zucker and i'm going to ask for this new hour of "today." >> who cares, he's going to say no. >> you're right. he didn't say yes because i was like you can't scare me jeff zucker, i want this job. but it end up. >> and if you condition consider you can't see your way out of the weeds. part of this big is you have a significant event, fast forward ten years. sometimes in that moment, you're so deep in it that you can't imagine what your life would be like if you go beyond this stuff. >> you from and she thought

there was nothing worse outside of where she was. and she decided one day after being beaten senseless and her child finding her that she said that's it, i've had it. i mean, you saw the after picture of her physically. can't believe that someone can go from 500 pounds to the weight that she is there. and i think it just shows you that when you're in your deepest despair, the moment that's terrible in your life, if you could only fast forward -- >> it's interesting. i've always said you have to embrace value. is there an ah-ha moment that someone at home can say i wish i could do that because i'm this low. is there a set of words? there's a way of reframing things. >> i think most of the people who did it it for someone else,

their kid, their prays i was in the way, way back o the stretch. you run. one guy had a t-shirt that said this is for my friends at moment." >> there was wnl one western said it hard to do it for you. it's easier to do it for someone pems. >> all the stories in the book and your own story obviously, i think it was teddy roosevelt and i think it was probably a hundred years ago that he referred to people who -- something occurs to them in their lives that they think breaks them, it doesn't break them and eventually i think it was teddy roosevelt who said you become stronger -- >> in the broken places, yeah.

that's a great quote. >> the people in the book are also inspiring. we started with amy. but you've got roxanne, clifford. >> one of them was very relatable to me, rocks answer quinby, she lost two waitresses jobs, no husband and she doesn't know what it do. she's driving down the road and she said and she sees a man with a pickle jar and he said i'm selling honey. she said, you're never going to sell it like that, let me help you. and she goes to his hives and there's a big sign and it says bert's bees. she made that company and sold

it for 140 something million. up kn you know he's that unattractive guy, nothing against him and this is a woman who one day it was terrible. >> your first job is a great one. 30 rejections. what happened? >> hi a guy who transformed my life. i was trying for a job and got rejected in city after city. finally my 27th job interview, this guy answers the door in the newsroom and he sashs yys, comen and let me see your resumé tape. and this guy hired me. it's like when you are at the worst, when you are about that close to quitting, that's when someone steps in and rescues you. >> did anyone tell to you change your name like they did to me? >> yes. >> what did they tell you to

change yours to? >> mary. >> they told me helen. >> let's talk about this. there's a sleep study. the more i think of this, it seems ridiculous. it says if you want a longer life as man, you need more sleep. and women need to eat better. >> why is this news? >> and don't do drugs or smoke cigarettes. >> i know we're doing this next blocks, but i just got an e-mail as well. the president made a statement as well applauding cbs caremark, which is not selling cigarettes. >> wow! >> no tobacco products in cvs. huge for cvs. >> do you think that's going to start a thing? >> it better. let me tell you something, we have so many problems with the products we use and the food we eat, sugar and salt and all that

and that is proven in a court of law. why would you as a retailer want to sell that? it's so brave. >> it's most important on the humanistic level. you can do the right thing, which seems like a sacrifice. but at the end of the day, the consumer can feel that. they'll go you know what, we like this company. >> how do you think they made the decision? financially they're probably going to take the hit. >> the decisions are made by people. i'll bet if you go up the ranks, the ceo lost someone to lung cancer. he actually has morality mixed in with his business model and sometimes even loses some money in order to do the right thing. >> you don't do it for that reason but the irene is

financially it makes sense. >> i think over the next five, six years given the employment problems we have in this country, job growth, i think for lack of a better phrase, corporate conscience is going to be a huge issue. profits are great, we all love profits but how much do we -- >> your whiff hife has done a g job with the whole bono thing. >> and we are going to go to tom bethesda. >> reporter: cvs pharmacy pulling all tobacco products off the shelves. they said they could not reconcile the health issues associated with tobacco and your health. the news could be the start of something very big. one of the largest chains in the

country saying no in tobacco. cvs's president says it makes no sense for cvs employees to be selling cigarettes and chewing tab kos co-. >> they, working our patients and customers who have high clonic believes and we know that smoking is extremely antithetical to helping people with their health care needs. >> getting out of tobacco will cost cvs $2 billion in revenue, but it comes as the chain transitions to more of a health care company, focusing on pharmacy services and minute clinics. the big question, will other pharmacy retailers feel pressure to also ban tobacco? >> we're not just talking about other drugstores. we're also talking about big box retailers who also have pharmacies as well. >> for years pressure has been building on pharmacies to stop selling tobacco, from the american pharmacist, heart,

medical and lung associations and the cancer society. the cvs announcement coming as a new ad is revealed. >> what does smoking cost? your teeth. >> we want to reach those kids who might be starting a life long, deadly habit. >> this morning a fresh attempt to snuff out tobacco. >> all right. he's numbers are staggering. half a million people dying every year from smoking-related illnesses, 3,300 kid pick up a cigarette for the first time every day. that's the fda's push. cvs is also going to start a campaign to help people stop smoking and the president is weighing in -- the white house that is -- applauding cvs for that decision. we'll see if this begins the

momentum. will the snowball start where all the other retailers say we got to get out of this business because it doesn't make sense? can i editorialize and say you should. >> this is the best news i've heard in years. tom, thank you. >> how brilliant for cvs -- >> 2 billion in lawsuits. the gains are coming. >> and god bless. as mick said, the corporations have got to takt leads. as someone who has been in the business world, they are my new favorite brand in this country right now. >> the book is "ten years later" now out in paperback. >> can i just say something about this woman. she is one of the best -- there are a lot of jerks in this industry. she's one of the best people in

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this is toronto mayor rob ford. it's the budget director. it almost looks like he's tickling the mayor. he said he wasn't, he said they were just fooling around. all i know is it's one of the most adorable things i've seen. i don't know if he's patting him down for twinkies. i don't know what's going on. >> robin doolittle is out with a new book "crazy town," the rob ford story. robin was one of only three journalists that viewed the video that appeared to show mr. ford smoking crack cocaine and her book helped uncover disturbing details about the mayor's past. yes, there has been fun made. but actually, robin, this is like a serious mess, a disaster. this guy needs to get out of office. >> across the world, rob ford is a household name now and people

look at the youtube videos. >> and they're funny. >> they are fun enyfunny. but the mayor was allegedly hanging out with a group that was smuggling guns into the city. he's admitted to buying drugs, as the mayor, he's admitted to smoking crack as the mayor. police suggest he was being black mailed over the fact -- >> why is he still mayor? >> we have a different system. >> yes, you do. >> you don't want to change the laws and make it easier for politicians to oust other politicians. the big thing is he won't go to rehab. >> wait a minute. >> i was talking to robin off camera. they love him. they said he's going to get reelected. they said he's done a great job for business for the city,

business has never been better and he's fun to watch. >> if there was an election, would he get re-elected? >> at the moment probably not. he's had a couple of incidents over the past couple of weeks, he showed up at a restaurant and looked totally impaired. people do respect the idea of keeping taxes done. >> we went off on hoffman and his death and then show rob ford and we chuckle about it or laugh. we're watching the spiral of a functioning addict. the next thing is he's going to be dead somewhere. for people that have loved ones with addiction issues, you can recognize this guy is about to implode and doesn't have the support system in place. what is his family structure like? the people that have the biggest connection to him that could shake him and get some sense into him. what's the structure?

>> two of the mayors' siblings struggled with heroin. if you look at the broader sense of parliament, hooked all the kids up to a lie detector test after he real identified money had been stolen from the basement. these are experiences that people can't relate to. the thing with rob ford is, it's more than just him battling addiction, or seems to be addiction. it's the fact that he has a say in the police budget. >> oh, my god. >> he has a say in appointing people to the civilian oversight board with the police. how can he stand up, you know, speak out in times of tragedy and mass shootings or have any credibility dealing with the chief of police -- >> his powers have been stripped -- his powers were stripped, though, pretty much stripped? >> they did everything they could in terms of stripping nonstatutory powers. but, yeah, he is still the mayor. >> okay. he's still the mayor. the book is "crazy town: the rob ford story." you can read an exert on our

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good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast, as you take a live look at a snowy new york city. back with us on set, mike barnicle, thomas roberts, donny deutsch. and in washington, ski bunny, sam stein. >> i don't even know what that means. >> what does that mean? >> it's cute. >> what's going on? how you doing? you're looking really good. who did you dress for? >> wow. >> wow. the snow. i have my snow boots on. okay. can we do the news, please? >> oh, boy. >> right away? >> okay. hi, thomas. >> hi. >> rogers. what the heck? [ laughter ] we're at winter storm -- >> i'm going to wear a name badge. >> i'm sorry about that. with snow falling on the east coast once again. commuters should expect a treacherous ride to work. apparently, epically

treacherous, as another storm sweeps through. some areas could see a foot of snow. the storm will be causing big problems across the midwest, so let's go straight to bill karins and the meteorologists are updating the forecast. sunday looks different, but today looks terrible. >> yeah, we don't need to worry about sunday. we need to get through this morning. we're in the heart of the commute, and it's as bad as many people remember. we have 500,000 people without power in this storm. in you're in the middle of winter, it's not fun. the people will want to get the power on as soon as possible. let's show you where it's occurred. 400,000 alone in pennsylvania, the southern portion of pennsylvania, nailed by freezing rain through the trenton area, north of philadelphia. sleet in new jersey, southern portions of connecticut, and then heavy snow just north of that. the heaviest snow is now shifting to the north. i mean, we can deal with snow in new england. it's a snow day for a lot of people, staying at home with the

kids. again, 6 to 12 inches likely from albany all the the way through the boston area, mass pike. this is what you'll see. it's snowing so hard, it's hard for the plows to completely clear the roads. i think the vehicles are packing it down as they go. but again, no sleet or freezing rain in new england. that's the big problem in jersey and in areas of pennsylvania. we still are dealing with snow. it's not over with completely. even chicago at 24 degrees, detroit, toledo, still snow. snowed about 7 inches in indianapolis, and much colder in the midwest. so be prepared for that. wind chill watches are up -- advisories for many areas for tomorrow. where do we go from here? as far as the snow, by the time it's all done, by about 6:00 p.m. today, albany, new york, up to a foot. boston, 8 inches. ha hartford 4 to 8. new york city with officially 4 inches, and now an inch of sleep on top of that by the time it's said and done. and i mentioned the weekend storm. there was supposed to be a one, two, three punch. we've knocked down the storm.

it doesn't look like a classic nor'easter. it's two storms that will combine. it looks like one of those sneaks off the southeast coast saturday, does not combine with this storm on sunday for a nor'easter. it'll be a snow event. we'll get some problems on the roads sunday afternoon and evening, but maybe 3 to 6-inch totals instead of a nor'easter, a crippling type storm on top of the storm now. we at least get a break over the next three, four days. back to you. >> bill, thank you very much. all right struggling to make ends meet, a new report finds millions of americans will face even more tough economic choices in the near future. the congressional budget office, cbo, says more than 2 million americans will either quit their jobs or cut their hours because of obamacare. a previous report said the number of jobs lost would be around 800,000. it's important to note that the report does not directly tie job loss to obamacare.

instead, it focuses on how individual also choose to participate in the workforce, given hours or other choices. still, for republicans, the report, especially the headline, is validation for what some have been saying for years. the president's health law will have a negative impact on everyday americans. the report also says the troubled rollout of healthcare.gov means roughly 1 million fewer americans would receive coverage. this year, through the marketplaces than was first expected. however, white house press secretary jay carney called the report incomplete, saying, quote, americans would no longer be trapped in a job just to provide coverage for their families and would have the opportunity to pursue their dreams. this cbo report bears that out, and the republican plan to repeal the aca would strip those hard-working americans of their opportunity. >> david writes in the

"washington post," -- in washington, it's slightly different. live by the cbo, die by the cbo. this is grim news for the white house, and for democrats on the ballot in november. this independent arbiter, long embraced by the white house, has validated a core complaint of the affordable care act, aca, critics that it will discourage work and become an ungainly entitlement. disputing the charges. let me say, mike barnicle, especially i learned when i was there, a lot of the score keepers are center left economists. >> yeah. >> this is a group of some fairly -- i won't say progressive -- but center-left economists at the cbo, and they always have been. >> well -- >> fascinating, you said before we came on the air, never have "the new york times" and "wall street journal" written two diametrically opposed op eds the

way they did. >> you would be hard-pressed to find two editorial products more in opposition to one another than "the new york times" lead editorial, "wall street journal's" editorial, on a situation, health care, that is becoming increasingly confusing to people like me. i can't figure out what's going on with the bill. "the new york times," the gist of the editorial, sharp increase in enrollment in 2015 and 2016 and bigger net reduction in the number of uninsured. projections for subsequent years remains unchanged. the new law will free people young and old to pursue careers or retirement without having to worry about health coverage. workers can seek positions they are most qualified for and will no longer need to feel walked into a job they don't like because they need insurance for themselves or their families. >> all right. >> hard to view this as any kind of disaster. >> the "wall street journal." what's it say? >> "wall street journal." for low-wage, lower-skilled, discouraged workers in particular, obamacare offers incentives that can force them

to trade jobs for entitlement benefits. by facts, the white house means the report is positive because individuals will be empowered to make choices about their own lives and livelihoods, and, quote, have the opportunity to pursue their dreams, unquote. there you have it, the "wall street journal" says, the new american dream of not working. >> and that was, pretty remarkable, jay carney said, no, this is great, this allows people not to work, they can stay at home. we're not talking about people that just sold their third business. we're talking about people choosing to be on entitlement programs instead of working. the cbo says themselves the law's insurance subsidies are gradually taking away income rises, creating an implicit tax on additional earnings. donny, this cbo report is not as clear-cut as far as -- i actually think more people will lose their jobs, because employees -- employers are just not going to hire additional people.

but this really cuts, this cbo report, is not as clean as those on the right or the left would like to say this, but it cuts to the heart of the divide between conservatives and liberals. that is, it actually gives people an incentive not to work, according to the cbo. >> i'll tell you one step further, and fortunately, unfortunately for the 300 million americans, they won't have mike barnicle coming to their door reading in-depth both sides of the argument. >> fortunately. >> what it comes down to, if i'm steve schmidt running a campaign, obamacare costs a million jobs, 2 million jobs. after that, you can do the nuances. they have that football. >> in a 30-second ad. and they also have the president talking about the cbo, says this of -- as dana milbanks, live by the cbo, die by the cbo, and i wanted to ask you as an ad man, because it's so nuanced.

and i've said it before, nobody knows how it will play out. conservatives like myself think it will be bad for the country. >> but you don't know. >> but some progressives think it will be good. >> there's also, sam stein, another way to look at this headline, and see that it could be a tad bit misleading. >> yeah. i mean, i don't dispute anything that's been said on the panel at all. >> no? >> i think it's politically problematic from a headline -- political ad standpoint. if you step back and you look at the issue, what essentially they're saying is the employee will have more personal choices and freedoms going forward because of the affordable health care act than the employer. and by that, they say you can eliminate what's known as job lock. in 2008, harvard university estimated there were about 11 million people in this country that would like to leave their jobs but were afraid to do so, because they were worried about health care coverage, that would come with being on the market. and so, this essentially says, well, now you have an option for health care coverage. you can go out to the individual market. you can get some tax subsidy to

purchase affordable health care and leave the job and do what you wanted to do, and in some cases, that's retire early, or work part time instead of full time, and also, to start your own small business. i talked to someone in arizona who wanted to start a small business with her husband, but they couldn't leave their jobs because they were worried about health care. they have three children, some with pre-existing conditions. this allowed them to start their own husband and wife real estate firm, and now they have their own business because of the affordable care act. that can't get condensed in a 30-second ad. donny is right. >> while you were saying that, sam, i was thinking, that is a great story for somebody to tell on the campaign trail if you're a democrat. >> yeah. >> a great story. you can sort of even pull in the whole entrepreneurial spirit, you know, and i was thinking, wait a second, that's going to get buried in a blizzard of 30-second ads. >> a new study says it's found the answer to a longer life for you all. >> okay. >> by the way, i've read this

story. >> yeah. >> let's start making my funeral plans right now. it's over. i've got another week and a half. i'm leaning in. what is this? >> this is terrible. >> this is a big difference if you're a man or woman. researchers found that sleep is more critical to a man's health as he grows older while diet is more of a determining factor to how long a woman lives. positive sleeping patterns only help a woman if she's also eating a diverse diet with good sources of vitamin b6, women are also likely -- twice as likely to not get -- >> you know what t.j. just said in my ear? "nice knowin' ya." overall, researchers found poor sleeping habits lead to lower quality for both sexes. if you get seven to nine hours -- and t.j. said, nice

knowin' ya. if i get three straight hours a night, three hours of sleep a night, i'm good. >> what i have to say -- >> i don't sleep. i just can't sleep. >> funeral estimate held at 11:00 a.m. at st. ignatius church this friday. >> i'll be saturday right after you, because it's very bad news. >> "morning joe" will be replaced in two years by the pee-wee herman hour. >> i don't know if it will be two hours -- >> i don't know what you do. you either sleep or you don't sleep. >> you're droesed for sleep right now. >> i know. >> it's all right. >> i'm always hoping that one of these moments i'm going to sleep. and so, you want your pajamas on when you fall over. >> how many hours a night are you actually in bed? >> this is definitely your worst outfit ever. >> you know, i usually -- i'm usually in bed for 9. >> you have no rules for them going to bed. they should be in bed before 9:00. >> two older boys calling.

>> little ones. >> if i'm in bed by 10 be cloo, i'm lucky. if i sleep to 1:00, i'm lucky, and it's off and on until i get up at 3:30 or so. and ariana is right, this doesn't need -- >> i have the same problem. two young girls running around my house, and then my kids. >> what time do they go to bed, donny? >> my kids -- [ laughter ] >> girlfriends? >> i didn't get it at first. >> see, your kids -- your older kids -- your 25-year-old kids are different than my 25-year-old kids. >> i have a 6 and 10-year-old, asleep by 8:30. >> are they really? >> please, learn from this. discipline. >> i'm the most disciplined parent of all time, most overprotective guy. like, parents are just freak -- like my older boys, it drove them crazy. but as far as bedtime goes -- >> it's bad for their health. >> -- might as well as be a grateful dead comedy.

[ laughter ] the kids wander around until 11:30 at night, i think i'm going to see carson rerun, smoking a cigarette, after 10:00, all the rules go out the door. tie-dye pajamas. >> promise me this changes today. because they can't concentrate at school. they can't get up in the morning. and they're grumpy. >> and the cigarettes, definitely, probably not -- >> we do the best we can do. >> no. >> once little jack is 5, goes on the turntable, and he puts on the dead album and "dark star" guess on -- >> they're the sweetest, most well behaved -- >> "spinal tap." don't change a thing. >> i have to get them to bed earlier. >> what's the deal with that? >> i want to see your tweets throughout the rest of the show. we're sending social services. >> social services is going over there. >> no, those are -- i always admired the parent -- you know, my friends that -- like the

staffords. pensacola. it's, like, 8:00, good night, gaye. good night, charlie. the kids are, good night, mother and father. you know, they may be hell on wheels the rest of the day, but they go upstairs and go to sleep -- >> and end up being career criminals or something -- [ laughter ] >> kids need a schedule. >> your kids go to sleep -- >> 7:30. i dragged that out -- she was hell on wheels all day, and then -- [ snores ] -- i rock her to sleep. she's so cute. now she's 15. >> i was never able to do that. never able to do that. coming up on "morning joe," there's plenty of attention on mitch mcconnell's primary challenge in kentucky, but politico says the race is way overrated. mike allen explains -- >> really? >> yeah, mike allen will explain why the senate's top republican may be in better shape than a lot of people realize. more "morning joe" when we come back. [ julie ] the wrinkle cream graveyard.

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♪ okay. it's just gorgeous out. >> looks gorgeous. >> i want to go jogging. >> de blasio's new york. from our parade of papers, "the new york post," police arrested four people in a drug raid that may be connected with the death of philip seymour hoffman. investigators were reportedly following a tip stemming from the actor's death. they say they found hundreds of envelopes of heroin. they are also learning that hoffman made six atm withdrawals totaling $1,200 just before the

hours of his death. sources tell nbc he was talking to two men wears messenger bags. broadway will dim its lights tonight in hoffman's honor. >> from "the star ledger" robert andrews is leaving capitol hill for a job at a law firm. the new jersey democrat's departure comes amid an ethics inquiry he used campaign funds for trips to california and scotland. you can't do that. they keep changing the rules on us. the 23-year career, andrews had his name attached to 646 different pieces of legislation. only four of them made it out of the house. they way, it's a shame that he's going to be going. >> "usa today," several communities in california are counting the days until they run out of water. some rural areas have between 60 to 100 days until wells and reservoirs run dry. mandatory water conservation efforts are in place with households ordered not to exceed

110 gallon as day. this satellite photo shows the toll the drought is taking on the state. california's agriculture industry says it is facing income and job reductions. a horrific story. >> it is. >> and "the new york times," pope john paul ii's last wishes are stirring up controversy. he asked a cardinal to burn his personal notes. instead, the cardinal is publishing them in a book called "i am very much in good's hands." >> no, no, no, no, no, no. >> your last wishes are to burn notes and the guy turns it around and makes it into a book? >> the catholic church says the decision to disrespectful -- >> that is unbelievable. >> -- goes against law and morality. the cardinal said he felt it would be a crime to destroy them. >> how disgraceful. >> i -- >> wow. also in "the times," tennessee

governor is looking to boost college enrollment. during his state of the state address, -- tennessee would be the only state in the united states to offer free higher education. >> let's go to the "wall street journal." radio shack say it is will close 500 stores nationwide as it begins a major restructuring. the news comes on the heels of the company's super bowl ad in which the company acknowledged plans to reinvent its brand. >> okay. [ dial tone ] >> what? >> the '80s called. they want their store back. ♪ ♪ everyone's watching to see what you will do ♪ ♪ everyone's watching >> announcer: it's time for a new radioshack.

come see what's possible when we do things together. >> how funny, cliff clavin there. >> mary lou rheton, and i think it was hulk hogan. >> yeah, hulk hogan. >> of course, alf. >> alf. got all my alf pods at home. donny, a good commercial. you know another commercial we need to falk about is -- >> the '80s called, they want their store back. >> yeah, the coca-cola commercial. there's a little controversy around that. and, in fact, i had a member of my family call from florida saying that they didn't care too much for the coke commercial. i thought it was moving. we ought to show that ad and talk about it. it was great radioshack ad, right? >> great radioshack ad, because any advertiser that can make fun of themselves, they walk right into the biggest perceived negative and turn it around. the coke spot was interesting. all that is is a demonstration of the demographic divide in this country. forget ad. it's not controversial. it is a demonstration where people around this set would look at that ad and go, wow,

this is our america, and there's still a chunk of america that looks and goes, no, that's not our america. and, you know, it's really a fascinating 60-second demonstration that we are two nations right now. >> it is fascinating. and i was surprised when my family member called and said that they didn't like the commercial. and so, i said, so, what didn't you like about it? and i understood. i understood. but i actually -- e pluribis, baby. i don't know, when i see ads like that, i just -- it makes me just smile and think, "yeah, we're the united states of america, and we do what no other country has been able to do in the history of mankind." you know what, rest of the world, you can --

>> bite me. >> -- exactly. >> what was your family member -- how did they articulate the problem, what did they say? >> just that we're one nation, you know, it should be -- >> andrew rice clay learn the language or get the hell -- >> i wish you wouldn't compare my family members to andrew dice -- i think that's disrespectful, and i am trying to say here, i can understand why -- i can understand why there are both people on this divide. i really can. i'm just telling you -- i think grover norquist and i were the only two conservatives in the universe that when they were talking about building the muslim center down by ground zero i sat there and was, like, yeah, yeah. do it. and show the rest of the world they can kiss our butt. >> okay. >> yeah, that we can do it, they can knock down buildings if they want to. we're more powerful, and we're stronger, and the idea of

america is so massive and huge and strong, that i hope we do it to rub the haters -- you know, rub their noses in it. that commercial to me just shows that america is set apart. we are, as we said, the baptist church sanctified. again, i understand people who might say, it's the balkanization of america. we should be more like -- more like -- i don't know. a great ad. the fact that we're talking about it probably is pretty good. what do you think of the ad? >> i like it. i'm a daughter of immigrants. and i did -- i like to watch different tv shows for amusement, but also get a sense of different perspectives given the problem we have in the media. and i saw a couple of people bashing it, and i didn't get it at all. i thought it was kind of ludicrous. their arguments.

>> -- the cheerios ad, the interracial couple, we're seeing in advertising -- and advertising actually is behind the other broadcast mediums -- finally catching up to what families look like in this country. >> yeah. >> and i thought -- joe, the point you're about to make, like it or not like it, brilliant ad, we're talking about it -- >> yeah, exactly. we just showed it. >> yeah, exactly. if we had a seven-second delay, i would say what i actually felt like saying. it's go hear the theme song to team america, and that's how i feel. very proud to be an american. >> let's go to chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen, here with the morning "playbook." a lot of attention, mike, on a handful of well publicized races across the country. there's a new piece you have in politico that says the races aren't really the ones to watch. tell us about it. >> well, that's right, mika. and i have to kind of plead guilty to this. this piece is from "politico" magazine, called "politico's six most overrated races of 2016,"

and this is from larry, from his crystal ball, and the point he makes, and what i'll plead guilty to, is that races that make great copy and great fodder for our conversation around the table in february aren't necessarily going to be close in november. his lead example is mitch mcconnell in kentucky. everyone's calling it the hottest senate race in the country, but it's turning out that his race against allison grimes may not be that close, that mitch mcconnell has a bad approval rating, but may not be that endangered. another example, the wendy davis race in texas, stand with wendy, running against the current state attorney general, greg abbott. texas very republican. larry says that even though wendy davis is going to get a ton of attention, doesn't have a real chance of winning. andrew cuomo in new york, a

virtual lock. governor scott walker in wisconsin, governor john kasich, all of the races that we love to talk about, but when you look at the fundamentals of the race, look at the states, these people really aren't that endangered. >> politico's mike allen, still ahead. matt lauer talks with jay leno and jimmy fallon. hear what jay has planned for his final show and what jimmy has up his sleeve for his debut. plus, my conversation with cindy leive as the magazine turns 75 years old. mine was earned in korea in 1953.

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the host of "the tonight show"? >> that was five years ago. >> the first time. >> oh, the first time. >> i thought you meant the second time. [ laughter ] sorry. sorry. >> announcer: "the tonight show with jay leno." >> i remember when i got the phone call, it was a big moment in my life. it was amazing. >> what was the phone call like for you? >> i remember they were going to release a press release at 12:00 noon or something, new york time. having the monologue meeting or something with the writers. sitting there, and i'm looking at the clock. it hits 12:00 noon, and everyone's phone started buzzing. it was exciting. >> i could not be happier for him. please welcome jimmy fallon. >> jimmy prepares to take over "the tonight show" on february 17th. jay leno's 22-year reign as the king of late night comes to an end tomorrow. >> i've made the right choice. >> jay, do you have a moment when you look back at your time on "the tonight show" and you're going to think, that was the moment i realized it's the best job? >> probably when the sitting president came on, when barack

obama came on, having the actual president of the united states on the show, that was pretty amazing. >> you told a group of young people that broccoli was your favorite food. [ laughter ] now, lying to voters is one thing, but lying to children, that's -- >> now in its final week as "the tonight show" host -- ♪ thanks for the memory >> reporter: -- leno has invited back some of his favorite guests to say good-bye. ♪ >> i don't know what we're going to do, what i'm going to do without jay. but jimmy has a lovely, warm, and i think he's going to be fun to spend some time with. >> reporter: debbie vickers has been jay's producer and close friend for over 20 years. >> one of the things about jay that people might be surprised about is he's funny on the air, but he's funnier off. and most comfortable probably in his denims and hanging out, more

so than in the suit and the tie and the cameras and stuff. >> you know, jimmy -- jimmy starts the new "tonight show" on the 17th, and it will be a shame if there was some sort of accident and he was not able -- [ laughter and applause ] -- if he was -- just sayin'. >> jay and his crew have been killing it for more than 20 years. so when we come out of gate, we want to come out fast and hard. >> announcer: jimmy fallon! >> reporter: fast, hard, and in it for the long haul. >> congratulations on "the tonight show." >> seinfeld came up to me, and he said -- >> you're doing a pump job, you got this forever! [ impersonating jerry seinfeld ] >> thank you, for carrying on with such humor and class. >> looking forward to the new chapter in my life, and i told jay, i gave him a round trip

ticket to new york, coach, because he's humble. you know, he can upgrade if he want to, honestly, as many jokes as he -- >> how is that even possible? how is that possible? >> the stage is his, he knows that. so whenever he wants, he's got a stage. >> coming up, we go inside "glamour's" incredible closet as the magazine celebrates its 75th anniversary. how fun is this? >> should i give you a hefty bag? >> yeah, really. my conversation with cindi leive is next on "morning joe."

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dramatically since the '50s, not just in the pages of history books, but also in the country's biggest style and culture magazines. i sat down with "glamour's "editor in chief cindi levee to mark the iconic publication's 75th anniversary. >> does this place still have a roomful of stuff? >> are you talking about the fashion closet? it's real, and it's spectacular. >> is there any ways i could go into the fashion -- >> here's the myth about the fashion closet, which many young employees are really startled to hear, you cannot take the stuff for free and just go wear it like she does in "the devil wears prada." >> poncho? >> you'll take what i give you and you'll like it. >> i came here ten years ago, and i did get to do that. is that bad? >> yeah, that's not how we -- >> i got a purse made of pony. >> no, the "glamour" fashion closet is very strict. but it's a wonderful, wonderful place, lined with shoes, lined

with clothes. i could get lost in there for days. >> tell me about the history of "glamour." and tell me what you think people think about the history of "glamour" and what it is. >> well, "glamour" is an incredible institution. the magazine is an american icon. founded in 1939. it was at its founding called "glamour of hollywood" and dedicated to celebry, and then world war ii came. it became about the fashion and beauty lives of american women. you know, it wasn't just about celebrities and the runway. it was about everyday chic and how you could look great in the morning. at its core, that's what "glamour" is still about. >> you know, the interesting thing about "glamour" has been in with the fashion and the beauty has been real coverage of the other issues that we as women care about. as women's lived changed, so did the magazine. you know, when the pill was

invented, "glamour" started covering birth control, which had previously been a forbidden subject. >> taboo. >> "glamour" was the first magazine to put an african-american woman on the cover in 1968. the young woman was a woman named katidi karandhi, a college woman, a competition that goes on to this day, and it was so startling, that they warned that it could get pulled, but it went on to be the top selling august issue that the magazine had up until that time. back in 1960, "glamour's" top ten college women winners met with various politicians from their home states, and the winner from massachusetts met with then senator john f. kennedy. and he told her, his life advice for her, marry a politician, it's an interesting life. and that may have been fine advice for the time, but our

winners today want to become politicians in their own right. >> exactly. >> chart their own courses. >> i think today's young woman expects to be something, beyond a wife or a mother, not that there's anything wrong with that -- >> no, i think she wants lots of different things. and i think another interesting development of just the last ten years is that women don't just want one thing. you know, for a long time, it was you had to be a wife and a mother, and that was the course. and then, it was you have to go into the workplace, and that is the course. and now, i think, women just want to find whatever their own personal dream is. >> in the 75th anniversary issue, you look at some of the most incredible women of our time. >> i love this list. it's the 75 most inspiring women of the last 75 years. and it's everybody from people you've heard of, icons of history like rosa parks or gloria steinem, to people who i have never even heard of before, who our reporters and writers filled me in on. there's a female physicist who was instrumental in getting neil

armstrong to the moon. there's everybody from barbara walters to much younger women like lady gaga who has made self-e self-expression really cool. one of my proudest moments is michelle obama on the cover. >> i remember that. some of the new columns really tackle workplace struggles for women. >> we're starting a column with this issue, the march issue, called "step into my office," in which i interview one woman of accomplishment, in all different fields, every month. and so we started off with cheryl sandberg. i had the opportunity to set down with her one year after the publication of her book "lean in," to talk to her about the reaction to that book, and what she thinks young women want to hear now. >> you also have comics. i didn't get this at first until you told me who the author was. i love it. >> we have comics, i'm very excited. it's here. it's the next to the last page

in the whole magazine, and this is a brand-new column by one of my favorite actresses and writers, rashida jones. so rashida, one of the great things about her, she also writes comics, so she and josh cochran are doing a page for us every month in which rashida herself, a little cartoon version of her, take on different relationship issues that women deal with. >> tell me about taylor swift on the cover of the 75th anniversary issue. >> i love taylor swift. obviously, she has great style. she looks incredible. additionally, she's got a real voice. we're living through this moment of female self-expression, right? >> yeah. >> you have lena dunham creating the show, girls, taylor swift writing her own songs and that's a great message -- >> and she runs her business. she's not just a singer, believe it or not, not that that wouldn't be enough. >> this is a woman who walked away from her first label when she was just a young teenager, because they wouldn't let her

perform her own songs. and she knew she had something to say, and she's made a lot of money and a lot of fans saying it. another thing i love about taylor is she's done all this, created this huge global following without taking her clothes off all the time. >> no clothes -- see, clothes on. thank you, taylor. no, seriously. >> it's a good message. >> it's not miley. would you put miley on the kover? >> i love tiley. taylor is a great cover girl. >> this is a hard question. do you have a favorite cover woman? >> i think the great thing about our country right now, there's no one person. there's taylor swift, there's lady gaga, there's michelle obama. you know, no matter what political party you are, no matter what profession you're in, no matter what you're interested in, there is a woman doing something incredible in your field. you know, we're not living in the era of, like, the first woman to do this, or the only woman to do that anymore. you know, there are tons of women all the time. >> we're all doing it. >> yeah, exactly, you're doing

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♪ it's time to talk about what we've learned today. mika, what have you learned? >> that this is crazy town, right here, this set. that's all i'm going to say. >> i learned that -- two things. that thomas takes the show lower than i could ever take it. >> oh, god. >> oh, yeah, right. okay, barnacle, two seconds. >> two seconds. yea for cvs. >> cvs, you're right. thomas, don't talk. [ laughter ] never mind. >> "it's way too early, it's morning joe." right now, chuck todd, barbra streisand, i can't believe it, together, they're going to be singing that old -- >> okay, wrap it up. >> -- the old duet, "you don't

bring me flowers." chuck, go ahead, sing it. ahh, an age-old problems. actually, the age-old problem. a nonpartisan forecast shows good news for the remanlder of the president's term but it hinges on whether the president, the next one, and the leaders can stop the baby boomers from busting the budget. plus, a major move by drugstore giant cvs. they're choosing to stop selling tobacco products, even though it means they'll lose billions of dollars. we'll get a reaction from the american heart association. also this morning, a winter blast is hitting tens of millions of americans from missouri to maine. we'll go live to the roadways in the northeast to see how morning travelers are handling the slick and messy conditions. good morning from washington. it's wednesday, february 5th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown," i'm chuck todd. let's get to my "first reads" of