very, very scary man. that is all for now. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. >> a lot of opinions about the debt ceiling, no decisions have been made. >> if congress sees its shadow, we'll have six more weeks of inaction. >> no decisions have been made. >> this is pitiful. >> forced to relive the same day over and over again. >> what? get it right for a change. >> is congress guilty of the same? >> a lot of opinions. >> the next big fight yet again, the debt ceiling.

>> there's something so familiar about this. did you ever have deja vu? >> he wants to play groundhog day when it comes to the debt ceiling. >> after all this discussion is going on now for some three or four months, it's time for action. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. republicans again are planning to hold our nation hostage with the debt limit. we can trust the republicans, right? these were the guys that were going to be new legislators back in december we were telling you about. it's a dangerous game of brinksmanship that's damaged our economy and hurt our credit rating in the past. john boehner isn't sure what the demands will be. >> the goal here is to increase the debt ceiling. nobody wants to default on our

debt. but while we're doing this, we ought to do something about either jobs in the economy, about the drivers of our debt. so we're talking to our members if we have a decision, we'll let you know. >> house republicans just finished up their annual retreat in maryland. this was the topic of conversation. clearly, we are in a hostage taking situation one more time. how did we get here? republicans have two options on the table in caucus. house republicans would be willing to raise the debt limit in exchange for approval of the keystone xl pipeline. they would raise the limit if democrats agreed to repeal the risk corridors provision of obamacare. enable the government to share in the risk and gains of the marketplace, which republicans absolutely hate. they better make up their mind

pretty soon because time is running out. >> in just a matter of days, the temporary suspension of the debt limit will end and the treasury department will have to start using extraordinary measures so the government can continue to meet its obligations. >> after a credit downgrade for the same stunt back in 2011, it's amazing john boehner would think about risking it again. the debt limit expires this friday. emergency funds are expected to dry up by the end of the month. this is not a game. this is really going to hurt america. why would the republicans want to hurt the country? democrats need to fight back and not let republicans hold our nation hostage over the debt limit. republicans continue to chip away at our country's infrastructure to get whatever they want when it comes to times

like this. both parties, what they did back in december is they agreed on a horrible budget that currently has 1.6 long-term unemployed americans without any insurance. democrats promised. they were going to come back. this was going to be a new year. but the bottom line is so far nothing has been done to help these americans who need it most. there's a lot of conversation, but no movement. the democrats also dropped the ball on tuesday. a bipartisan farm bill passed the senate that includes over $8 billion in food stamp cuts. there shouldn't have been any cuts at all. 850,000 households will lose $90

a month in snap benefits. our economy, you have to admit but the numbers, we're headed in the right direction. we're plugging along. 47 months of private sector job growth. things are looking up. democrats, this is a time you need to stand strong by fighting for the unemployed and not negotiate with republicans over the debt limit. the president met with the democratic caucus yesterday at the white house. the president is upbeat. he says there's not going to be any hostage taking. i hope that's the case. everybody is calling it ground hog day. no, it's not. it's weasel day. this is the republican party coming back saying, we don't want to pay our bills unless we get what we want, unless we get the cuts we want, and this is how we're going to run the country. we had the fall edition of

weaselville. then we'll have the summertime edition of weaselville. there's no way that the democrats should turn and said, all right, we'll negotiate with you on this. let's go ahead and default on the debt and let's see if that wakes up the republicans and the american people to run them right out of the house. let's see them gerrymander around that. should the democrats negotiate over the debt limit? text a for yes. text b for no. for more, let me bring in the congressman of maryland, who was the ranking member on the house budget committee. i appreciate your time. >> good to be with you, ed. >> you bet. i think what most americans want to know when we talk about the debt ceiling and hostage taking,

what is going to be different this time around as opposed to what we saw back in december? >> the question has been whether the republicans have learned any lessons from the very harmful and unnecessary government shutdown they engineered last october. have they turned a new leaf or not? and so far, they seem to be up to their same old games, which is trying to hold the economy, trying to hold the full faith and credit of the united states hosta hostage, until they come up with whatever demand they come up. we need to be clear and the president has been clear, which is you don't get to negotiate over whether or not the united states pays its bills on time. i also agree with you that rather than talking about this thing that's going to hurt the economy in terms of their strategy, we should be focused, as a congress, on things to put more people back to work,

whether it's infrastructure investment, whether it's raising the minimum wage, whether it's extending the emergency unemployment compensation. >> does this mean that there's not going to be any negotiation whatsoever, there is going to be a line drawn in the sand, so to speak? how are you going to get to that point? >> the same way we did last october. the republicans said if you don't repeal the affordable care act, if you don't make these major changes, then we're going to keep the government shutdown forever. the president and democrats in congress said, you don't get to do that. you don't get to flthreaten to shutdown the country in your partisan demands. if they keep up this uncertainty

about whether or not we're going the pay our bills on time, they're also going to be doing damage to this country. you have this tea party caucus that seems to be running the show over here. >> okay. i want to play a sound byte from mitch mcconnell talking about the debt ceiling. >> some of the most significant legislation passed in the last 50 years have been in conjunction with the debt ceiling. i think for the president to ask for a clean debt ceiling when we have a debt the size of our economy is irresponsible. >> what's your reaction to that? >> it was mitch mcconnell that proposed the mcconnell rule, which is that the president can do the right thing and make sure we pay our bills on time. if congress wants to vote to try to default, congress can do that. i know he doesn't want to be

associated with it anymore. in a moment of acting responsibly a couple years ago, he's the one who put that on the table. he knows better. we know that because he said it himself two years ago. this notion that going to threaten the health of the american economy to try to get the tea party agenda through is simply reckless and the american people know it. there are a lot of folks in the republican party know it. they've got this impulse to go forward. >> all right. what do you think of the $8.6 billion in cuts to food stamps in the farm bill? was that really necessary to pick on the most vulnerable americans and the number of people who are going to be effected by this? >> i voted against the farm bill for a variety of reasons.

it is chock full of huge taxpayer subsidies for some of the biggest agribusinesses in the country. you know, we hear our republican colleagues talk about interference in the marketplace. the ag bill is exhibit a for interference in the marketplace by way of providing these big subsidies. in the context of a bill that provided these huge subsidies to continue, i don't see how you can justify the changes they made to the food and nutrition programs. i think they did the best they could. republicans tried to cut 40 billion. they were able to limit the damage. in the context of the bill, i just don't see how people would support that. >> all of that is spot on, what you're saying. at the end of the day it comes down to this, we picked on the

most vulnerable americans with the farm bill. we won't turn to the corporations and wealthiest americans to do a little bit more. we're asking people on food stamps to serve it up. i think it's immoral. >> ed, to add insult to injury, we tried to offer an amendment in the house that said let's use the savings from the small cuts they did make to help the 1.7 million americans who have lost their unemployment benefits. the speaker didn't allow us the opportunity of a vote. >> thanks so much. i want to bring in bob schrum. what happens in the democrats cave on the debt limit? they want something for this.

>> first of all, i don't think democrats will cave on the debt limit. i don't think the president will cave on the debt limit. i think it would be a disaster if they did. you talked about the house republican retreat. i think that retreat was about a lot of play acting, letting people ventilate, letting them say we have to do this, we have to do that. the republican leadership is going to go through the motions and then i think we're going to get a clean debt ceiling. you have a republican party in the house that has a right wing and a far right wing. it's hard for a bird to fly on two right wings. if they ever led to a default on the debt of the united states, they learned in the government shutdown what the consequences would be and i think they would jeopardize their majority in a very clear way. >> what do you make of mitch mcconnell's position? >> he's saying that.

boehner is saying that. they said it all last october. they tried to blame the president and the democrats for the government shutdown. the country understand they had done it. privately, mcconnell doesn't want to do this. boehner doesn't want to do that. mcconnell has a tea party challenger for renomination. the subheadline on that story would be, bye, bye, boehner as speaker because the tea party would go after him. he has to go through all of these motions. the motions trip into actually defaulting. if you default, you'll have an economic catastrophe. >> there's a crowd out there that wants to change the leadership on the republican side. so do you think the republicans will allow a shutdown? do you think it will go that far

or will they avoid this by raising the debt ceiling? >> i think in the end we'll have a clean debt ceiling. there's a danger that we don't. the republican establishment wants to do it. the republican leadership wants to do it. all the political pressure at a national level is to do it. you have all these tea party congressmen that don't care whether the republican party becomes a viable party at the presidential level. >> always a pleasure. great to have you with us. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. we want your thoughts @edshow and on facebook. coming up, i won't pipe down about the proposed keystone xl pipeline. my perspective is all about

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time now for the trenders. only the social media you can check us out on twitter @edshow. the ed show social media nation has decided and we are reporting. here are today's top trenders voted on by you. >> i quit. >> the number three trender, no

butts. >> one of the largest pharmacy chains in the country saying no to tobacco. >> cvs plans to snuff out cigarette sales in its stores. >> we know smoking is anti-thet cal to helping people with their health care needs. >> by october 1st, all tobacco products will be off the shelves at cvs. >> give the smoker enough rope and he'll hang on to his habit. the number two trender, in the spotlight. >> our problems won't be solved by one party or the other. i do want to help bring back the idea that someone can go to washington to represent all the people. he hopes to win a seat in the united states congress. >> he hopes to take on a republican. >> she knew voting for massive

cuts to the military was bad. she did it anyway. >> what are you supposed to say constructively after a performance like that? >> maybe we can play a small part in igniting that change across the rest of our country. and today's top trender, the name game. >> some call him a nerd. >> nerd. >> but michigan now calls him the comeback kid. >> rick snyder brands himself the comeback kid for his reelection bid. >> i'm excited to officially announce i'm running for reelection. >> our governor loves budgets, ignores politics, and brings us results. >> joining me tonight is the president of the detroit branch

of the naacp. good to have you with us tonight. i want your reaction. snyder says he's ushered in a comeback in michigan. i want you to characterize what it's been like under governor snyder and also a reaction to him ushering in a comeback. you believe that? >> thank you, ed. happy new year to you. the super bowl commercial showing him snorkeling while the people are having a horrible toll. there's no comeback. it's been a throwback. you got to go to the auto industry and the uaw. you have to go to the workers and the people who have sacrificed health care benefits. you have to go to the revenue shares they took away from the

city of detroit. there's been no comeback here. education is the number one way to go here, the retrains of workers. we still pay more for private incarceration here than public education. something is wrong. the nerd has not engaged in a comeback. he's engaged that a throwback to a time that does not serve the people of michigan well. >> so you think that the state -- has the state suffered under his leadership? did he not create 220,000 jobs in the private sector? >> we both know thanks to president obama and chrysler and uaw workers and the people in michigan -- the republicans really did not want to aid the auto industry. the president and others did. by virtue of their sacrifices,

we have these jobs. let's bring something to the table. >> are you making the accusation that this, quote, comeback kid is all about what barack obama has done? >> no question about that. it is a tribute to the workers. it is a tribute to the people in detroit that have suffered under this administration. he has attacked every entity in michigan. senior, pensioners, teachers, workers. folk who need the assistance of the state. he just put through his budget $120 in a rainy day fund. not only is it raining. it's snowing. it's sleeting. we have an economic tsunami in michigan. let's bring stuff to the table as opposed to taking away from the table. there's no comeback. it's been a throwback.

>> detroit is worse off today under rick snyder than it was before he took over? >> detroit still has no democracy. detroit survives under one person rule. 50% of the african-american population, over 50% in the state of michigan, still lives under one person rule. the people of michigan said they did not want an emergency manager. ta 436 went around that. until we can participate, we are not participating at all. >> all right. i want to get your reaction. the governor recently proposed a plan to redirect $350 million in state tobacco settlement revenue to help the retirees out in the city of detroit over the next two years. does this change the dynamic at all?

does th is this going to patch that up? >> so glad you asked that question, ed. it's not two years. it's 20 years. and $350 million, plus some money that the dia may put in, does not address the systemic problems in the system. it's a drop in the bucket. it has to go beyond that. no it has not resolved that issue. >> i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you, ed. >> thank you, sir. coming up, in our rapid response panel, i support taking oil off the rails and put it into this thing called the keystone xl pipeline, which the president has not decided what we're going to do with it yet. safety is a major factor here. doesn't have anything to do with consumption.

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risk of an oil spill. >> it could bring about thousands of family wage paying jobs. >> we can do better, particularly as this committee. if we made the investments we need to make in our water infrastructure and our roads and bridges and highways, we could put millions of people to work permanently. >> the oil will be exported to other countries. >> it's been under study for five years. we build pipelines everywhere in america every day. >> welcome back to "the ed show" tonight, folks. it is a very controversial topic. it's got some very different political bedfellows in all of this. a lot of my viewers are surprised by my position on this.

in twitter, viewer deborah wrote, it's about climate change. we need to stop all oil and gas extraction. >> the hard cold truth is the united states is an oil and gas dependent country. we're going to be for the foreseeable future. we're not really confronting reality here. the state department report did find that oil derived from the tar sands generates 17% more greenhouse gas emissions than crude. according to the same report, continuing to transport the oil by rail would release 28% more greenhouse gases than a pipeline. another viewer wanted to know if the pipeline is built, will it increase the rate of extraction?

the state department study says it is unlikely to significantly impact the rate of extraction or the continued heavy demand of crude oil at refineries. if this is built, it doesn't mean we're going to be consuming more. we have to do something here. here we can do something about safety with the pipeline. i have my own environmental argument with the pipeline as well and you just heard a bit of it there. if we keep using rails, we're looking at nearly 300 spills per year with over 1200 barrels released. do the numbers. other viewers questioned the idea this would make us more energy independent. let's be clear here. this would be, i think, a step in the right direction when it comes to energy independence.

the pipeline would reduce u.s. reliance on oil imports on countries less friendly from canada. we have gotten our crude from countries like mexico and saudi arabia. officials are claiming the oil from -- we should get our oil from our friendly neighbor to the north. it'll never come out of the ground, but that's not reality. it is going to come out of the ground. there's activists on both sides. the liberals are saying we can't do this because we have to be concerned about the climate. what the liberals have to do is elect officials who make decisions to make sure this

doesn't happen. where we are right now when it comes to rails and the safety of highways, we're not building the roads or bridges and we're not adding to the jobs. i don't go along with this pipeline because it is going to be a big job creator. i go along with it because we're putting too much pressure on our rail and highway system and trucks. there's going to be spills everywhere, but they won't be as big and it will reduce the risk if we have this pipeline. joining me now is our rapid response panel. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. i want to hear what you have to say about this. joe, you first. lay out your argument against the pipeline. >> well, as a scientist, it's

pretty simple. we're going to have to leave most of the dirty pools of carbon unused in the ground if we're going to avoid global warming. i think it is immoral for us to say, hey, we're going to keep doing what we're doing and destroy a livable climate for our children and grandchildren. the thing about a pipeline unlike rail, once you've built it, you're stuck with it. it's a long-term commitment. i think at some point we have to say, we're going to end this addiction. and maybe we're not going to end this addiction tomorrow, but we're going to end it long before this pipeline is going to reach the end of its life. >> josh, your take on why we should not build the keystone pipeline. >> i believe this is a moral issue.

we heard climate was a priority and stopping the keystone xl pipeline is an important thing for him to do. you're quoting a state department report which was corrupt and was created by a company -- a contractor for the state department who has vast financial ties to the oil and gas industry itself. the ver racity of this report i very much in suspicion. we have oil and gas infiltrating every single regulatory process at every level of state and local and federal government. this oil is dirty. it will come from the tar sands. they scrape the entire surface off of the earth contaminating lakes and streaks of the indigenous people in alberta. this was game over for the

planet if we unleash the amount of carbon from the tar sands. it means you're endorsing on your show a report from the oil and gas industry, people who are in business with the oil and gas industry and not some impartial state department report as you claim. >> i didn't bring you on this program tonight to question your resource on this story. if you want to call the state department report fraudulent, you can do that. i know what i'm doing on this show. this is a consumption issue. i also know that moving oil through a pipeline is not an addiction. it's a safety measure. that is the push here. i can show you an absolute. i can show you trains running into ehat e carrying oil.

why aren't environmentalists saying we shouldn't be doing the rail the way we do? >> this is a false dichotomy. environmentalists are opposing the tar sands. >> no, they're not. >> that's not true. the climate movement has rallied around this issue. 1,000 people, and i'm one of them, was arrested in front of this white house two years ago to protest climate change. we had 40,000 people in washington at the biggest climate rally in history here because they were rallied on keystone xl about the tar sands. >> there's millions of people who wanted universal health care and didn't get it and i happen to be one of them too. there were rallies there too. here's the bottom line, gentlemen. we're not going to get off oil tomorrow, next week, ten years. that's our mission to do it. as we're pumping more oil out of

the ground in north dakota, montana and south dakota, our whole dynamic has changed about energy dependence. it is going to be refined in the united states, and it's going to be put on the world market. but that gives us a position where we're not -- >> that's exploitation for sale. >> you attacked me and my source, which is fine. and i thought we could have a conversation here. i know everybody is passionate about that. are you denying the statistics finding higher greenhouse gas emissions when it is transported by rail or roadway? fair question. >> i think that's a simple question. you don't produce very many greenhouse gases running through

a pipeline. yes, it is slightly higher if you run it by rail. i appreciate being invited on this show when you know i think this whole project is immoral. i think you are offering up a false choice though. it is true we're going to keep using oil. we have oil in the balkan. the -- we're going to start going off the dirty pools of carbon. we have to leave them in the ground. this is among the dirt teest po. >> what about the oil that's coming in from nigeria? i'm told that's just as dirty as the tar sands oil. we're already refining that. >> the president can't stop that by simply saying no.

he can stop this. the bottom line when either believes the exploitation of the tar sands is immoral, if you believe that, then the president simply has to say no on the grounds of morality. i don't think the united states has to import all that oil by train. i think we're going to stop it. we're going to wise up, ed, over the next ten to 20 years. i think we're going to start by not burning this oil. we're going to burn some oil. we need to burn less and less. >> i agree with that. >> -- for the rail fight in new york state. >> say that again. >> activists are already gearing up for the railway fight in new york state. to say that this is about a

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welcome back to "the ed show" this is a story for folks who take a shower after work. republicans are twisting the numbers. they are turning a portion of the report on the affordable care act into the biggest conservative talking point. >> the report is certainly not pretty if you are interested in creating jobs in america. as we all know they estimate up to 2 million fewer jobs created as a result of obamacare. >> wait a minute, the cbo did not say 2 million fewer jobs created as a result of obamacare. it said cbo projects a decline in the number of full-time eequivalent workers of about 2 million in 2017 almost entirely from the amount of labor people choose to decline. big difference. mitch mcconnell wasn't the ochbl

republican to pounce. >> most notably in this report is that cbo says government policies especially the president's health care law are discouraging work. washington is making this problem worse. >> joining me now columnist for the "washington post." the way i view this, this means americans don't have to work two jobs to get health care because it is cheaper and guaranteed. what about that? >> i agree with you totally. this is a total twisting of what the cbo says. what the cbo is saying about obamacare is actually a good thing. for example, you are 64 years old and work in pain and you would like to retire. you can't leave work because you have to wait until you get on medicare. a mom or dad want to take a few years off to spend time with their kid but that person can't leave because it's their health

insurance that covers the family. both of those cases people will be able to get health insurance. this is liberating to people. it also ends a really crazy thing our market was doing before we passed this which is job lock. people who ought to be moving on to other jobs who would like to move on couldn't because they were afraid to lose their health care especially if they had preexisting conditions. this is an outrageous way to describe something in law that is actually a very progressive thing for the country including if you are a free market economist who wants the job market to be more flexible. >> so i guess the fundamental point is that the conservatives are doing anything they possibly can to throw a negative on obamacare and go as far as to change the facts even from the nonpartisan congressional budget office. are they going to gain anything from this? >> i still think that americans in the end are going to judge obamacare by how it works.

they are going to judge it by what it does for them and what it is doing for their neighbors. i don't think any of these sort of scaremonger head lines are going to make the difference. i think it is so important to understand as you say how dist o distorted it s. it says it will reduce the number of hours americans work by equivalent of 2.3 million jobs. it is amazing how the sound byte took off. a careful report gets turned into a dishonest slogan. >> always great to have you with us. i appreciate your time tonight. thanks for joining us here. i want to tell our audience we will continue our debate and our conversation pro and conon the keystone xl pipeline here on the ed show. friday a full half hour with former governor of montana who

is for the project and we will have other folks as we did earlier tonight and last night who are opposed to the project. politics nation starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the fight for fairness. tomorrow is a huge day in the u.s. senate. as voters planned on extending jobless benefits. one republican in the house says not extending those benefits is a moral issue. >> i believe it is imoral for this country to have as a policy extending long term unemployments to people rather than us working on creation of jobs. >> it's immorally to extend unemployment benefits because congress't