good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. it's chilly here and it's chilly on capitol hill. major news from capitol hill today. the senate voted 58-40 against a three-month extension of unemployment benefits. a couple votes short. can you believe it? there are currently 1.7 million long-term unemployed americans who have lost their benefits in this country. we got nothing on the table for them. and make no mistake, senate republicans have flatout abandoned these unemployed americans. democrats agreed to what i thought was a horrible bipartisan budget that has left the most needy among us out in the dark, in the cold, so to speak. they promised to come back and fight in the new year, and this is the result. president obama, the democrats, trusted republicans to do the right thing and they did the wrong thing. nothing. this is not just democrats who want an extension. there are numbers out there that

are staggering. a recent poll shows 58% of americans want a three-month extension of unemployment benefits. clearly republicans don't gave damn ant thebout these people i society. wasn't it the president last week who asked business owner, can you step up and help these folks? how much more do you want the president to do? you turn it over to the republicans. you get no cooperation whatsoever. we're also trusting republicans to do the right thing on the debt ceiling. republicans are still planning to hold our nation hostage over the debt limit. such good citizens, aren't they? but they are split over what the demands are going to be. "huffington post" reports republicans will not use the keystone xl pipeline or repealing obamacare provisions as leverage to raise the debt limit. so what's going to happen? earlier today house speaker john boehner says he's got time to figure this thing out. in reality, he's got two more weeks. >> we're still looking for the pieces to this puzzle, but we do

not want to default on our debt, and we're not going to default on our debt. we're in discussions with members about how we can move ahead. we've got time to do this. we're going to continue to work at it. no decisions have been made. >> so we just haven't figured out how we're going to shaft the american people yet. we haven't figured out how we're going to, you know, maneuver around some hot tastage taking there. is it for the good of the country? no. the debt limit is all about trust. in the past we have trusted republicans to raise the debt limit. all we got was a bad credit downgrade. earlier today it was boehner who was throwing around the word "trust." >> listen, there's widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws. and it's going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.

>> almost unbelievable. the man who brought this country a government shutdown and a credit downgrade would talk about not trusting president obama. give me a break. if anything, it's fair to say that we can't trust boehner to get immigration done either, just like we can't trust house republicans to get a minimum wage increase done as well. now, this is an issue that everyone wants to address and face. america wants an increase when it comes to minimum wage. a recent poll shows a huge number, 91% of democrats, want a minimum wage increase in this country. overall, 71% of americans want this done. almost three-quarters of the american people want an increase in the minimum wage. over half americans want an extension to unemployment benefits. we can't get it done. and they want to know why they're not liked in washington. i mean, if you look at it this way. these are groundswell number, groundswell support for both these issues that are very important to income inequality

and working folks in america. republicans are doing everything in their power to block goodwill of the american people. how are they going to maneuver around these numbers in the midterm? i do think down the road this year that baner is going the realize that he's going to have to send his caucus home with something. it might be minimum wage. doesn't look like it's going to be immigration reform. and the reason why it's not going to be immigration reform is because the folks it would affect the most don't do anything for the republican vote. heck, they're trying to suppress the vote in every place they possibly can. they're going after minorities. they're going after elderly people. they're going after the young. voting rights, voting restrictions, this is what they're all about. why in the world would they do immigration before a very crucial midterm? that's not who they are. it's not their crowd. they're all about power. they're all about gerrymandering. they're all about making sure they're right back doing the obstruction until they can get rid of president obama.

so activism, a lot of activism going on right now, such as the pipeline is concerned. we have a lot of activism out there when it comes to the environment. i'll tell you where the activism has to be. the activism has to be on the unemployed in this country. the activism has to be on the vulture chart and the wage disparity that's taking place in america. but every time the democrats try do something about ihtimal's more roadblock, more roadblocks, more roadblocks. it's a broken record, isn't it? it's the republican party. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question -- do you trust john boehner or president obama? text a for john boehner, text b for president obama. 67622. if this isn't 100%, i don't know what will be. can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com and we'll bring results later in the show. now, the republicans over the weekend, their went off to this, you know, secluded place in cambridge, maryland, to figure out how we're going to talk to

women, figure out how they're going to talk to the american people, to figure out what they can get away with when it comes to hostage taking. they come out talking about trust. i want the democrats and progressives to talk about trust. do you trust that they're going to go back to washington and do something different? joining me tonight a member of "the washington post" and a member of the campaign change committee. e.j., you first. your reaction to boehner saying that he doesn't trust the president of the united states. what kind of play the is that? >> i think that is a play to his base. i think that's what the republicans want to hear. and i think that's what the tea party wing of his caucus wants to hear. it's really ironic because they're saying they don't trust the president on immigration, saying he won't enforce the law. at the same time they're saying that, the president is doing all these deportations. his own constituency is telling

him, mr. president, stop doing this. the obama administration says no, i have to follow the law. so he is doing the very thing on deportations against his own constituency that the republicans say they don't believe he'll do. they think he'll just break the law. now, i think in the long run -- i haven't given up on immigration reform, i have to say. and i think one of the things the republicans are staring at is, if you don't get immigration reform, president obama can't just sit there and continue with these deportations afterward. and i think this there's going to be some pressure coming around the other way. and i think a lot of republicans in that caucus who still want to do immigration reform. >> well, this idea that the president can't be trusted because he won't enforce the law, we need to remind the american people here tonight that it's almost four fold on the border when it comes to resources, budgets, overtime,

personnel, and surveillance technology, not to mention the fences that have been put up there. what is he not talking about, e.j., when he says that he's not going to enforce the law? the deportations that they're doing are based on the law. so boehner once again gets off scot-free, not being pressed by anybody. these are facts. this is what we have done during the obama years when it comes to border security. how can he get away with it? >> well, you know, the answer is i don't know the answer to that question because he should be pressed on this for the very reason you say. obama is enforcing the law at some political cost to himself because he doesn't think he can do anything else. i think this is a talking point that they are using as an excuse not to do a thing that's favored by, you know, 55% to 65% of the american people. and the only thing they can say is we do this but we don't trust obama. and that works well enough with

their own base but it shouldn't fly with everybody else. >> immigration reform would be i think a big bone for the democrats. adam green, 71% of the american people want an increase in the minimum wage. how does this affect voters? how will this turn people coming up in november? and how big of a talking scenario can be played out by candidates on the campaign trail with this kind of number? >> great question. there is a rising economic populist tide in america, ed, not just among democratic voters but as you say among the general electorate at large. people want politicians that they can trust to fight for the little guy in our economy. and democrats are really smart to press this issue and right now progressive candidates across the country are actively making this a campaign issue, the minimum wage. just today in maine very competitive senate candidate shana bellows had a petition delivery and media event calling

on susan collins to say she'll support the minimum wage. the same in the heartland in south dakota where rick wieland made an issue today. this week house candidates from wisconsin to lee rogers in california to tom guild in oklahoma to right here in pennsylvania, across the country people are saying we are going to make a campaign issue out of this, ed, and that is smart politics for democrats and progressives in 2014. >> this unemployment extension is going to be gong by the midterms. there will be a boatload of more people out there that will be unemployed and whether they're going to lose faith or lose hope and not ep gauge remains to be seen. but if you do something for worker, if you do something to get disposable income into the pockets of the american people, that's going to i think have an effect. the republicans are so out of touch with wage earners in this country, they don't realize what good favor they would have going home, e.j., if they said, you

know what, we went to bat for you, we raised the minimum wage to $10.10, it proves two things -- one, i care act your family, and two, i was able to work with the other side. what don't they get about that? >> you know, historically the republicans did get that. you did get a minimum wage increase under bill clinton because republican leaders in congress knew that this is a 70/30 issue. most americans across the board except for a minority of the republican party, think that people ought to get at least close to a decent wage for a day's work. and i think there's something else they're going to have to start looking at. poll after poll has shown on all of these equality/inequality issues, democrats and independents take the pro-equality position. and republicans on a lot of these issues find themselves isolated. and that's not good if you're going to win an election. independents are not by any means consistently liberal. but on a lot of these equality

issues they are very progressive. that's got to start playing in the minds of republican candidates and republican consultants. >> when you take a look at what is unfolding for the republican, i'm not sure what they're going to run on. and the democrats if they can't pounce on this, these populist economic issues, if they can't win the house with the way it's is the up right now ksh and i know a lot of things can change between now and november -- i don't know if they'll ever win the house. adam, i want to talk to you about fund-raising because this is i think a very interesting development. priorities usa action, democrats' biggest super pac, they're going to sit out the midterms. they have announced they're backing hillary clinton, raising money for hillary, and -- but yet they're not going to engage in the midterms. i think this is disastrous. i think that it's going to take all hands on deck to win the house back. and i think that this is very dangerous for this pac to do

this because it sends the message, hey, it's all about hillary, it's not about moving legislation forward. i want your reaction to this. isn't it going to take all hands on deck, everybody getting after it to make it happen for the midterms? >> well, it will take all hands on deck, and there is kind of a culture problem in d.c. where it's mostly about elections and not about actually governing and in the case of democrats governing progressively. to that point i think you're right. but at the end of the day, democrats will win. we need to summon people power. we need to have lots and lomtds of new people involved in our democracy, getting small-dollar donation, going to volunteer office, and if the big guys decide to help that will be a big bonus but we can't depend on them at the end of the day. they should be helpful but we have to rely on ourselves. >> priorities usa is making a statement to our donors, we only want hillary, we're only concentrating on this. everybody knows how important the house is.

everybody knows the obstruction that is taking place. i don't know how you go out and raise money and say we're going to sit out the midterms because we think other people are doing a pretty good job. there's never enough players on the field to get this thing done against this mammoth obstruction that we have seen. and i think they are making a serious, serious mistake. e.j. dion, adam green, great to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time on "the ed show." remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter and ed show and facebook. we always want to know what you think. coming up, we continue this week's big conversation on the keystone xl pipeline. we'll keep the discussion going as the president debates whether the pipeline is best for this country when it comes to security and energy independence. still ahead -- women's rights activist sandra hook sets her political career in motion. she joins us right here. you turned into a weird "7".

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first makers fair. >> the white house is going to host its first ever maker fair late they are year. >> the greatest show and tell on earth. >> make something and tweet it to the white house usin using #imadethis. >> i made it myself! >> maybe you'll get invited to things you never thought possible. >> the number two trender. create debate. >> mr. ken hamm is the president and co-founder of answers in genesis. >> everyone's entitled to their opinion. >> evolution isn't an opinion. it's fact. ? and that is your opinion. >> you can't observe the age of the earth. >> they're wildening you with not science. >> pat robertson is dismissing ken hamm's creation story. >> we have skeletons and dinosaurs that go about 65 million years. to say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense spp. >> that doesn't make sense. >> god's in charge of all this, but we've got to be realistic. let's not make a joke of

ourselves. >> and today's top trender, sandra dee. >> politics in your future? >> maybe someday. >> sandra fluke is running for office hoping to land a senate seat in sacramento. >> sandra fluke turns her sights towards a state senate seat. >> fluke had been considering running for congress in this district. she said, "i'm committed to continuing that fight in sack." >> i've seen the impact that an individual state senator can have on setting the conversation. >> joining us tonight is sandra fluke, social justice attorney and candidate for california state senate. sandra, congratulations. it's always a big decision when you decide to go into public service. you were cast on the scene after rush him baugh took after you for three days on the radio, which is actually seriously affected the radio industry. you of course were trying to testify in front of darrell issa's committee when it came to women's health care issues. so here you are. i think limbaugh did you a fave

by putting you out there like that. i hope you understand where i'm going on that. i mean exposure is very important. people now look to you in a big, big way for leadership of some very pertinent issues. >> thank you, ed. i agree with you. i agree with you that exposure is important because it lets us shine a light on important issues we need to be talking about. >> what made you go down this road? you were thinking about a congressional run. it turns out to be a state senate run in california. >> i looked really seriously at what decision i should make here, and ultimately the only thing that mattered to me is where can i go and get progressive change done, make things happen for the constituents here in los angeles. and i decided that sacramento is the best place for me to do that. >> one of the main reasons you're choosing to run for office? what has motivated you? has this been in your heart far long time? >> public service has been in my heart for a long time.

i've always been a public interest attorney. i've fought for social justice my entire career. and for me it's about what's the best way to accomplish that. so right now the best way to accomplish fighting for my community and the people i care about is to do it by running for office and by running for office in sacramento. and i want to say one more thing about why i chose sacramento. i think that around the country people don't always realize how important state legislation is. i know you know this because you're such a champion of economic justice. but we can accomplish a lot in state legislatures, and unfortunately right now congress is so just deadlocked that we have to look to the state legislatures as a way to cause the progressive change that we're all fighting for. so in california, we have an opportunity to set that agenda and be a model for the rest of the country. >> you know, sandra, a lot of people in this country have

followed your activism, have followed your lead on a number of issues. you have become really the focal point for a lot of people. they pay attention to what you're saying. has this made it a calling for you? is this -- do you feel obligated to jump into public service? >> well, i take very seriously the fact that hundreds of people around this country have asked me to run for office. and i am honored by the kind of confidence and support and trust that that takes to do that, so i looked really closely at that in this decision and said what can i do that will make all of those people proud? and i decided that what i can do to make them proud is to go to sacramento and fight for the kind of change that this country deserves to bring a fresh perspective there and show them what a new generation of progressive leadership looks like. >> is this a career move, or is this -- you want to serve for a while and see what -- is this a career move? there's a lot of people that get

into public service that do 20, 30 years. what are you thinking? >> i launched my campaign yesterday. i think i want to run for the state senate and win that office. and at every point in my career it's always about how can i most effectively fight for my community. right now i think that's in the state senate in sacramento. tomorrow after this senate race is over we'll decide then. >> well, sandra, whether you like it or not, you're a national figure. people in the political arena know who you are and they admire your strength and what you've done. >> thank you. >> so since you won't answer the career question i'm going to answer it for you here tonight on "the ed show." what i think you could do, you can go to sacramento, work on a state level, you can make a difference, and someday there's going to be that u.s. senate seat calling because barbara boxer and dianne feinstein, nobody's around forever. you'd be perfect for california.

that's just my quick take on all of this. >> well, thank you very much. but i certainly hope that we have senators boxer and feinstein for a long time to come. >> i know you do. sandra, thank you so much. i appreciate your time being on "the ed show" tonight. good luck to you. >> thanks. coming up, i just think that's a great story. someone willing to jump in. coming up, the u.s. department of state responds after environmentalists attack the review of the keystone xl pipeline in the state department report. plus, paul ryan takes on the role of mr. reasonable. but next, i'm answering your questions.

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the xl pipeline is a big conversation. people against the pipeline say this is the safest way to trp oil. >> a major fire as erupted after a train carrying fuel oil derailed. >> train cars filled with oil exploded in the center of a small town in quebec. >> officials say the smoke from the burning oil is toxic. >> we've seen trail derailments and explosions. what i'm most concern about is safety. >> these type of accidents are raising serious safety concerns. >> there's an oil boom. the current infrastructure wasn't built to handle. >> oil tanker, all kinds of

trains that go by here. i'm always worried about that. always. >> but we have the responsibility to adapt the oil that's coming out of our ground. welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for staying with us tonight. at this point i think you know exactly where i stand when it comes to the keystone pipeline. i'm not going to back down and i'm not going to apologize. i think i am well-grounded in my support for this. and i have brought on both sides, both on radio and on tv. and i know i've made a lot of liberals very angry, but now is the time to have the debate because the 30-day public comment period on the keystone xl opened yesterday and it's going to run until march 7th. now, the review now focuses on whether the proposed pipeline serves the national interests of this country -- security and energy independence. this is a democracy. it's a democracy at works, folks. make your voice heard.

speak out. call your representative. do what you want to do. over the past week i've made it clear where i stand. i knew i would raise some eyebrows on the left, lose some friends. life goes on. but let's be clear about something. having an independent stance on an issue doesn't make me any less of an american or any less of a liberal. i care about the environment and i believe that we have a moral obligation to leave behind a better planet for future generations. so how do i jog the two? i'll tell you. i always come out swinging against large corporations. including big oil, who put profit before people. i do not have any money invested in this fight. go it? i have no oil stocks, no upward gain at all financially on this. i believe in pursuing the alternative green energy by solar and wind power, which creates american jobs, which we talk about all the time on this program. where are the activists for that? but that transition is going to

take time and i'm approaching this i believe as a realist because like it or not oil is still the major driver of our economy. we want to become less dependent. we want to become more independent on the globe when it comes to oil. oil isn't going anywhere for a long time. tonight look where i'm at. i'm broadcasting from the north country. and in this part of the united states i'm not sitting in washington or new york city. i'm in detroit lakes, minnesota. energy is just as important here. but i's just 400 miles from the bakken shale where they're producing more than a million barrels of oil a day. i see the trains carrying crude every day and i wonder how the heck that's going to work out. we're putting a load on these trains. it is the first and foremost in my world i think we have to be concerned about safety. maybe it's the pilot in me. i don't know. because of these delays in construction in the pipeline.

nd-in's top oil regulator nowest mental states up to 90% of the state's oil could be moved by rail this year. now we're talking 80 to 100 trains carrying crude. tragically, rail accidents, they're not rare. in fact, more oil was spilled in 2013 in the united states rail incidents than in the past four decades combined. that's a number. you can't deny it. don't need any study to -- or anybody to -- you have to believe this is an absolute. the total was over 1.1 million gallons. those numbers don't include incidents up in canada. last summer a 72-car freight train derailed in quebec. 1.5 million gallons went into a nearby river, affecting the local community. 47 people were killed. and at least 30 buildings, roughly half of the downtown area, burned to the grown. the devastation looked more like a war zone. just two months ago a crane

carrying crude derailed not far from our home. the fiery explosions in castle, north dakota, were a reminder of the danger oil shipments pose every day going through communes in america. want to load them up? okay. on monday, here we go. 12,000 gallons of crude oil leaked from a canadian pacific railway train in the state of minnesota. the minnesota environmental protection agency and the state says there's no plans to clean it up. derailments have happened from rural alabama to urban philadelphia. last month the national transportation safety board warned, warned this country that a major loss of life could result from increased use of trains to transport large amounts of oil. bottom line, if we have trains running there, your town and your city, you could be at risk. you should be paying very close attention to this debate and

conversation. the keystone xl pipeline would bring oil from western canada to the gulf coast coast with an on-ramp from the bakken shale. and i'm not here to debate whether or not the oil should come out of the ground. the way i see it, there's no doubt about it. it's going to be coming out of the ground. the canadians are going to get it moved. we need the pipeline infrastructure for our safety. these pipelines are lifelines as i see it. but to be fair i always want to bring on both sides of this discussion. it is a big public debate going on. joining me from our rapid response panel, the president of friends of the earth and the director of bold nebraska. great to have you both here. >> thanks, ed. >> jane, why are you against the pipeline? give us your take on why this is not a good move if it's approved by the united states. yeah. there's a couple reasons. one, we work with farmers and ranchers not only in nebraska but all states that could potentially be affected and they

don't think that a foreign corporation should be able to use eminent domain on american land owners. you might think it's fine for a canadian company. but what about tomorrow if it's china or saudi arabia or venezuela? it sets a bad precedent. and what happened to no eminent dedoh main for private gain? this is not a common carrier pipeline. while you did a great intro on all the awful accidents happening on train, you left out all the accidents happening on pipelines. a bunch of families in mayflower, arkansas, had to give up their homes, 250 namlys on the kalamazoo pipeline had to give up their homes. so it's not oil pipeline versus train. it's how do we make both modes of transportation safe. i will tell you transcanada is not a safe company. they just had a gas pipeline explode. their pipeline keystone one had to be shut down under corrective action order. they didn't put these 57 special conditions in place. f fimsa had to put that on top of

transcanada because they were so worried about their construction practices. we should be tauing about canada's safety record. >> it is true, jane, that pipeline is the safest transportation, the most cost efficient, and it is the safest. we have seen the numbers being pushed through when it comes to -- >> you're not being fair about those numbers. >> tell me where i'm not being fair. >> this is where you're not being fair. when a train spills, it spills much less liquid than when a pipeline ruptures. and both are dangerous. i will tell you, when a family experiences an oil spill they don't think to themselves damn that train or pipeline. they think my land was just destroyed, my water polluted. we as a country have to get serious about puing money into upgrading infrastructure, whether that's train or pipeline. if you're concerned about american oil getting to the mark, i am, the keystone is not the solution. we're lucky if we'll get 10%

american oil on that pipeline. that is not the solution we're looking for. a pipeline in nebraska used to carry american oil. it now carries canadian tar stands. they're blobbing out small american oil producers. if you care about american oil, you should want to top tar sands. >> we're bringing in oil from venezuela that arguably is just as bad as the oil coming out of the ground from the tar sands. that's a fact. also oil from nigeria. it's not like we're bringing in crude oil that is absolutely dleen clean as the bakken shale. >> so why bring in more? >> because -- well, first of all, energy independence and security is a big deal. we didn't go into libya. we didn't go into egypt. >> that's not our oil. >> okay. all right. you asked me -- this is where i stand on it. i believe that this country has got to have energy independence. i believe that this country is headed in the right direction. i believe this is a safer mechanism.

it's proven. you say the damn land, i say the damn 47 people that lost their lives in canada because you have got these trains going through major metropolitan areas, which is horribly dangerous, and there could be a massive loss of life. now if you want to contest the national transportation safety board who has said that we are on the verge of a major disaster if we continue down this road, i happen to take that seriously. let's go to eric. >> property rights of farmers and ranchers. i think it's a shame -- >> conservatives are all over property rights. conservatives are all over property rights and they're for this pipeline. so you can't have it -- eric, i want to ask you. do you think the state department report was credible? >> no. look, we've been doing some investigations into the conflicts of interest and we have discovered that the contractor lied on their form saying they'd done no business with transcan ka d.a. over the

last three years. that's patently false. this is not the first time this occurred at the state department. they had to throw out a previous environmental impact statement. this is the second time. in fact, the inspector general is currently investigating what actually happened with this contractor and the state dp. >> all right. we wanted to get to the bottom of this so we asked the state department today for a response because that same point was brought out by an activist on this program last night. an environmentalist came on the program and said the study because bogus. we asked the state department and they said, "to assist in preparing the seis for the proposed keystone xl pipeline project, the department of state retained a third-party contractor selected ewing rig louse conflict of interest screening guidelines. we feel confident that there are no issues related to this contractor and that we have followed the procedures that we have developed to avoid conflict

of interest or any connection between the contractor and the applicant. what's your response to that? >> look, we've heard this before from the state department. the fact is there's an inspector general investigation going into these allegations and i find it quite presumptuous the state department would release a report without having the inspector general investigation completed because this is about conflicts of interest and the public trust. right now there isn't the public trust within the state department. erm has lobbied with the western energy alliance, the american fuels petroleum manufacturer, the louisiana midcontinent, western state petroleum association, american petroleum institute. these are all groups that have advocated for the keystone xl pipeline. to me demonstrated clear conflict of interest. that's not even counting the fact they've been in contracts with transcanada in the last three years. they failed to disclose.

and so if they've lied on the form, how do we know they're not lying on -- >> i'm out of time. eric, i appreciate your time. jane, i appreciate your time. we'll stay on story. we're going to get a hold of the inspector general and find out if that is going on and we'll continue our conversation on "the ed show." tomorrow night, former montana governor brian schweitzer will join us. coming up, 12,000 gallons of crude oil spilled in minnesota and nobody's cleaning it up. congressman keith ellison joins me. anncr: you're working hard. all day. every day. and it shows... eight million new jobs. new businesses. new factories. new hope. still, it's harder than it should be to raise a family... save for retirement. so president obama is urging congress to give america... a raise.

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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for folks who take a shower after work. more oil is being moved by u.s. railroads than ever before. 12,000 gallons of crude oil leaked from a canadian pacific railway train traveling through minnesota just on monday. oil dribbled along the tracks

for 68 miles. officials say there is no major cleanup effort that is planned. now, if this spill were happening in a more populated area, i really do think there would be a massive public outcry about this. the association of american railroad says in 2008 class 1 alreadies carried just 9,flood advisory 00 car loads of crude oil. in 2012, they carried nearly 234,000 car loads. estimates show it was around 400,000 car loads in 2013. federal regulators recently reported more oil spilled from railcars in 2013 than in the last four decades combined. that's a number. it's an absolute. congressman keith ellison of minnesota joins us to talk about this. glad to have you with us. i know you're introducing some legislation to deal with some things. but who should be held responsible for spills like this

and how can a state, any state say we're not going to clean it up. what is going on here? >> well, the oil producer and the transportation, the rail lines should be responsible for the cleanup and any and all effects that harm or affect the public. that's just being responsible. the fact of the matter is the bill that bernie sanders and i are going to introduce would say that we're going to take away the ability of companies to write off their taxes the cost of cleanup. so that would make it perhaps a little more incentivized to do the right thing. >> what is the role of the epa and congress on this? where is the oversight in this safety? is there enough? >> no, way. there is not nearly enough there is very precious little regulation on this issue. i can tell you this. the companies are saying well, the oil, the 12,000 gallons was spilled over a long distance. we can't do anything. we don't need to. how do we know that? how do we know it's not going to affect groundwater? how do we know it's not going to

make a more flammable situation? what is the cumulative effect of these spills given the amount of cars has been increasing? the epa needs to investigate this to look out for the health and safety of everyone who lives around these spills. >> and finally, congressman, is it true that we have fewer federal regulators and inspectors in dealing with rail in this country? >> well, you know what? yes. that's the sum total of trying to shrink government to the size you drown it in the bathtub. when you say you want small government, that means you want small government inspection, which in some cases you may want to change your mind. in quebec, for example, because of a spill, explosion, about nearly 50 people lost their lives. we need to do something before we get a catastrophic event. that will be too late. >> all right. congressman keith ellison of minnesota, thanks for your time tonight. i appreciate it. and a programing reminder. tomorrow night on this program we'll have former montana governor brian schweitzer

talking about this issue and more discussion on the xl pipeline. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, if you're out of work, you're out of luck. that's the message senate republicans sent again today when they blocked a bill to extend jobless benefits for long-term unemployed. that means they said no to helping 1.7 million americans who have lost jobs. people who need help while they're trying to get back on their feet. but why? why would they block this? senate republicans had an idea. >> it's a very basic and simple decision by the republicans not to reward those they think are lazy, the unemployed in this country. >> somewhat offensive to