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that is all for now. i'll see you back here on monday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota, let's get to work. >> women deserve equal pay for equal work. >> american women are raised so they can raise their families. >> this nation cannot afford to continue treating women unfairly. >> but they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. and in 2014, it's an embarrassment. >> there are many things that this congress can do to ensure that women succeed. >> make sure women have equal pay.
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>> when women succeed, america succeeds. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the first 20 seconds of this broadcast is for the men. fellas, how would you like to walk into the workplace knowing that every woman in the workplace makes more than you? in fact, you only make 77 cents on the dollar compared to the women in the workplace. fair enough? the fight for equality for women in the country, it is far from over. democrats have been fighting for years to make equal pay for women a reality in the workplace, but republicans have done everything in their power to stop this from happening. the first legislation president obama signed into law was the lilly ledbetter fair pay act back in 2009. it's the right direction to go. it provides women a longer
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window of opportunity to sue employers for discrimination. it doesn't address the gender pay gap. women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes in our society. now, this is a real issue that americans want addressed. president obama made a heated case in this year's state of the union to congress to send him a fair pay act. >> women make up about half our work force, but they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. that is wrong, and in 2014 it's an embarrassment. women deserve equal pay for equal work. it is time to do away with workplace policies that belong in a "madmen" episode.
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let's all come together to give every woman the opportunity she deserves because i believe when women succeed, america succeeds. >> and oh, the republican men, they just sit there and smile. president obama is exactly right. in 2014, it's an embarrassment that women are still discriminated against in the workplace. there's a bill out there that can fix all of this. barbara has introduced the paycheck fairness act. this bill would prohibit employers for retaliatining against workers who talk about pay. it's completely reasonable. it's common sense. it's a bill that republicans
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have blocked all along. it's one of the great bill that is the republican house has killed time and time again. this is why democrats need to fight harder than ever coming up in the midterms. women's issues are going to be huge in 2014 in the midterms with the attacks on women's rights we have seen on the state level all across this country. now, republican control of the house has kept the paycheck fairness act in the corner, in the stands, nowhere to be heard. it's not going anywhere. that's what it's going to be unless democrats get the house. democrats should be outraged that super pac, the largest democratic super pac in the
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country, they're going to sit on the sidelines. you have to reverse this. mrs. clinton, you need to tell the super pac let's hold off on that. we appreciate the support, but we need the house. this is a dangerous and selfish move by priorities usa. i can't believe that every democrat is not outraged that there's an organization to get president obama into the white house and they've decided, i think we'll sit out the midterms. if democrats don't retain control of the house, what are we headed for? blatant republican obstruction. that's fun. i also think it's really a little bit too early to start talking about who we're backing and picking sides and
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candidates. i think hillary clinton is fantastic, but anything is possible. i think it is also pretty important to point out that joe biden said today he hasn't ruled out a presidential run. >> give me another good reason why you shouldn't run. >> i can't. >> yeah. >> there may be reasons don't run, but there's no reason for me why i think i should not run. >> here's the thing. if the democrats were to get the house into 2014, it will put anybody on the democratic ticket who was running for the white house in a much better position. now priorities usa needs to step up. do the right thing and help democrats win the house, reverse this position. if democrats don't win the house, bills like the paycheck fairness act will never become
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law. it is the ironed fist of the republicans that have obstructed the way this country is supposed to run. it is not a democracy. we have stalled right now. corporate money is controlling everything. the people's voices have been put to the sideline because an ie dee log is running the house. the only thing that's going to remove that is running the vote. tonight's question -- will republicans ever vote to advance women's rights? text a for yes. text b for no. you can always go to our blog. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i'd like someone in the next interview with president obama to ask the president of the united states, this super pac outfit did a lot for you to get
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into the white house. do you think they should sit out the midterms? you need to tell your friends to get involved. haven't you been obstructed enough? let me bring in my guests with us tonight. great to have both of you with us. i don't want to be negative. why do i have this feeling that women's rights in this country completely stuck in the mud unless the house is turned over? >> ed, i think you're absolutely right. anyone who supports equality for women needs to be highly engaged in the 2014 midterm elections. we saw the last midterm elections were the disasterous 2010 elections. a lot of that was because our votes didn't vote. unmarried women alone, their voter turnout rate was only 38%.
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we can't let that happen again. >> terry, i want to ask you the onslaught of legislation that came against women in recent years, was that anticipated or did it just come at such a rapid and torrid pace it was hard to maneuver against it? >> i think it was unanticipated. what was unanticipated was the shocking amount of funding that came. the 2010 elections came right after the supreme court opens the flood gates to corporate meddling into elections. then we're fighting for the kinds of legislative policy that
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hurt women that happened. >> we talk a lot about minimum wage and we think this is obviously going to appeal to wage earners across america, it might get them motivated in the process. why has there been so little progress on women's rights with this dynamic being played out? >> it's about the house blocking everything. for example, kathy mcmorris rodge rodgers, the gop put a woman on the screen. she voted against the paycheck fairness. the minimum wage is the biggest issue, i think. and needs to be framed under the
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umbrella of the war on women. it's about the minimum wage and equal pay. the war on women is about paid sick leave and paid maternity leave. it is about economic justice for women and families. >> all those things we haven't moved on because of republicans. if that doesn't motivate women to engage, i don't know what will. is it too early to talk about candidates and your response to this super pac saying they're going to sit on the sidelines for these midterms? >> i think that's a huge mistake. i expect hillary clinton to be on stump talking about minimum wage and the largest portion of those in this country are black and women. the gender gap is women of color, single women and women of
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color. excuse me, it's not married women and white women. i think if we get hillary clinton on the stump in 2014 talking about the minimum wage and equal play and reproductive justice for low income women, i think she would have a great impact on motivating young women to vote in the midterm elections because it is life or death for many of these women. >> terry, who could you point to on the republican side that you would call an ally when it comes to passing common sense legislation like the paycheck fairness act? what are some of the arguments you hear against it? >> the republican leadership in the house of representatives and in the united states senate have so squashed the ability of any republican in the rankin file to support women's economic justice measures. paid sick days, paid family leave, extended leave.
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affordable high-quality child care so working moms can feel safe leaving their kids. we don't have republican champions. what they're saying is, women make these choices and it's because of choices that women make that they don't have equal pay. two-thirds of minimum wage workers in this country are women. women do not choose to be corralled off into the lowest paying jobs in the economy and yet that's what's happening to women. it's about younger women and women of color and immigrant women. women in immigrant communities are very subject to exploitation in the workplace. >> is it too early to back hillary clinton? >> i don't think it's too early.
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but i think it is too early to correlate her with the nomination. making sure we keep the house and then going forward to win -- keep the senate and going forward to win the house, that needs to be a priority. talking about hillary clinton in 2016 does nothing to forward the purpose to make sure the democrats win back the house of representatives. >> what do you think, terry? >> i couldn't agree more. it is going to be an uphill battle as it is for women's rights supporters to retain control of the senate, let alone take control of the house. i think it's way too early for us to be talking about 2016. midterm elections are no -- notorius for our voters to sit
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home. >> what's your response to the super pac sitting out for the midterms? >> it's a huge mistake. if you care about these policies, then you've got to get engaged in these elections. you've got to get workers mobilized to care about these policies. >> great to have you on "the ed show" on this friday. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. coming up, america wants a minimum wage increase and the fight is starting to heat up. we're here to debunk republican lies on raising the minimum wage and the impact it would have on the economy. i'm going to continue my discussion on the keystone xl
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>> she's hitting home it's important to have more diverse representations of beauty for kids. >> if you're going to do a story line with obesity, you'll need to do princess diabetes and princess cancer. the number two trender, winter meltdown. >> we will have many, many fires. >> this is the end, friend. >> a local reporter predicts more than the weather. >> we're going to have people who are going to be dying over the next couple of days. this is the time to start looking around and saying, what am i going to do to survive tonight? >> winter is coming. >> i just fear so much over the next coming days. >> all right. thank you for that. today's top trender, wage rage. the minimum wage fight takes center stage. class warfare is keeping minimum
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wage low, depressing the wages as best as we possibly can. >> they can't live high on the hog and expect america to follow them. >> david kay, good to have you with us as always. >> good to be here. >> you spill it out in your most recent article. tell us what giving low wage workers an income boost, how is that going to help this economy? i mean, it seems like the republicans are in denial of the most basic facts that are out there about what kind of impact this would have on the economy. >> well, the very simplistic idea will not support new jobs is interesting, but not
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realistic. when you raise these wages, people have more money to spend. the employers get to pick better workers. they have fewer demands for public services. let's remember that billions and billions of dollars are being spent for welfare to help workers at mcdonald's and other fast food restaurants. you have to think of this in the broad fashion. it makes business more efficient. you have less turnover if you pay a better wage. it takes time to develop a team. >> republicans say this is going to hurt small business, that this is going to have unemployment go up. what better time -- we have employment now according to the labor department today at 6.6%. it's down a percentage and a half over the last year. that's how it's come down. we've had 47 months of private
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sector job growth. we've added over 8 million jobs. when is the right time for a minimum wage increase? is there a pattern that can be followed about the best time to do it? >> we're talking about restoring the minimum wage to what it was over a half a century ago. why don't we cut it so the bosses can make more money and concentrate wealth in fewer hands. my piece is about how the founding fathers were very concerned about this thing. they believed extreme inequality would doom our democracy. >> what would 10.10 an hour do for workers across america? >> it would mean for many of
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them they would no longer have to work two jobs or as many hours. it would give them more time, if they have children, to be with them. students could study more. less pressure to move out of neighborhoods. the poor have been pushed out into the suburbs. a transit system, many of them wouldn't be able to do that. >> this is a key point. the republicans and the antis keep coming back at this. has there been any extensive research showing small business in america suffers when there is a minimum wage increase? >> the only research that you'll find supporting that is by a fake organization that is an arm of a public relations firm whose
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biggest client is the restaurant industry. all the other research looked at counties in two states where one had a higher minimum wage than the other and those counties touched each other. there wasn't any loss of jobs in the higher place areas and people were better off as a result of this. there are a lot of studies out there about this. if you don't think any deeper, higher wages would mean fewer workers. that's if you don't think about all the broad factors in economics. all else being equal, that's what the republicans are arguing here. all else is not equal. >> that's exactly right. great to have you on "the ed show." coming up, the keystone xl
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energy independence and security is a big deal. news flash, we're not getting out of the oil business in america. it runs our economy. i think it really is a disservice to the conversation and a debate to take an all or nothing approach to this. we're not really confronting reality here. it's about safety and it's about energy independence. obviously, the best solution is it'll never come out of the ground, but that's not reality. if this is built, it doesn't mean that you and i are going to be consuming more. we the consumers have to do something here. here we can do something about safety with the pipeline. i think the president should
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give this project the stamp of approval. >> welcome back to "the ed show." been quite a week here on this show talking about the keystone xl pipeline. bottom line in all of this folks is we're in the time to discuss this until march 7th. this week we've opened the floor for discussion on the proposed keystone xl pipeline. i know my position isn't very popular with a lot of liberals across this country. i've heard you loud and clear. in the interest of fairness, i've invited opponents of the pipeline all week long to give their take and that's going to continue in this program. i am where i am on this. and i think it's a very realistic position and i think it's well-grounded. the trade agreement nafta may have opened the door for this
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pipeline to go through without president obama's approval. governor, good to have you with us tonight. we know you're in favor of this. you've been part of negotiating the deal with canada with the off ramp, which would make it available to balkan shale to get into the pipeline. now there's a new development. you're saying this pipeline could be built under nafta. explain that to our audience tonight. >> that horse left the barn in nafta a lot of years ago. the only reason the president and the secretary of state are involved in this is because it is a pipeline that crosses the international border. the keystone pipeline is already
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permitted in other states. the little part we need washington d.c. to make a decision on is that one foot or one mile that crosses the international border. transcanada has already decided where that boundary is going to be. nine miles east of port of morgan. it's a port that's open for commerce back and forth. transcanada could bring that pipeline to that border and run some trucks across the board and pump it back into the pipeline and ship it out. it only cost them $100 million to build this facility on both sides of the border. they don't need washington, d.c. to give them anything. >> this whole situation with tar
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sands oil could end up in a pipeline without any decision by the president, correct? >> absolutely. in fact, let's talk about this oil. the oil in alberta, the tar sands oil is the same geology and chemistry as the oil we're bringing from inventovenezuela. god, i love the environmental community. i use less. i'm challenging everybody to use less hydrocarbons. we're going to leave it when we have a better, more efficient energy system. let's work on that. >> back to the pipeline for just a moment. i want to be very clear on this. it is getting the oil across the border that is the issue in the way they transport it and then getting it into the pipeline, which is going and already has been approved state by state.
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so this leaves the president almost powerless from stopping this because of the nafta agreement, which was made 20 years ago. so what's all the fuss about? >> there's a lot of emotion maskma ka raiding in d.c. on the right, they say the democrats are bad because they're not immediately proposing this pipeline and every other pipeline around the world. we're still using oil. when we passed nafta, we said you could bring those commodities freely across the border. if there's a bridge or a road or a rail or a pipeline or transmission line, washington,
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d.c. has to sign off on it. if they truck it across the border, they don't need anything from washington, d.c. they're just going to do it. it's much ado about nothing. >> is transcanada the company in question dealing with this north of the border? are they prepared to operate like this and move forward? >> i don't work for them, but they know all about this. they're not stupid. they know about the law. they're crossing the border in a lot of places. they know exactly what they're doing. if they have to truck, which is one of the least safe ways of moving oil, they'll truck it a mile or two across the border. it would make more sense environmentally if we let that pipeline be. i would rather not put it on a
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rail. don't want to put it on a truck. if this is the brinkmanship they get to in washington, d.c., companies have options. >> people in nebraska are very concerned about eminent domain and property rights. they are the last state to sign off on this. the governor has changed his position. also, the senator has changed his position on this as well. 30% of the landowners in nebraska have not gone along with this. they're being very stubborn. >> there's 10,000 miles of
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pipelines in nebraska right now. almost all of those pipelines came across lands where they didn't want it. that happens to ranchers. my dad used to run them off with a shotgun, but they always came back with a lawyer. it'll go through the courts and eminent domain will happen. society needs these pipelines. they need these transmission lines. that's part of an energy system. >> governor, there have been no less than five environmental impact studies. the one, the most recent from the state department, which was released last friday, is now under investigation. do you believe this is a credible and unbiassed report? there have been no conflicts of
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interest from your knowledge about this report? >> well, i'm usually pretty distrustful about anything that comes out of washington, d.c. i couldn't tell you who was involved in it, but i can say it is just another pipeline. and it's just another supply of oil. it is not nonconventional oil just like the oil that comes from bakersfield, california, and venezuela. >> i keep being told by environmental people this is far worse than the oil that's coming into the united states. this is 17% worse as far as the carbon emissions on this. that this is the worst crude that could possibly be put through a pipeline. is that true? >> nature magazine thought last year that this was probably environmental sound. the oil in bakersfield,
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california, is far more toxic and contains more carbon. the amount of carbon you'll be burning when moving it is far greater. i'd rather buy it from a friend like canada than people like venezuela or iraq or other places where dictators are running the country. >> i appreciate your time. thank you, sir. we'll take another look at the pipeline ahead. stay with us. lobsterfest is the king of all promotions.
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bridgegate blows into the windy city. >> i was blindsided in that circle of trust. >> all of the sudden nobody wants -- look, they're not appearing with him. and if they wanted to, they would have, right? >> we're starting our own circle of trust. and guess what? you're not in it. >> new jersey governor chris christie continues his fundraising tour in chicago. >> they want the christie money. they may not want to be there right next to him and take a picture at that moment while the controversy is, but they want the christie money. >> guys, we don't work that way. >> shish kabob, you're out of there! >> fast forward number two. nbc is the place for the sochi winter olympics. >> the excitement building because that olympic torch, after its epic tour around russia, will be brought here. >> team usa gets set to take part in the opening ceremony just hours from now. >> i am feeling very olympic today. how about you? >> "the ed show" will still be
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getting to work every day at 5:00 p.m. eastern. >> let's get to work. >> we're team usa, and we're going all the way. thanks to everybody. >> and our number one story to watch, labor and the keystone xl pipeline. >> it takes a very dirty product, ships it through the united states, where we bear the risk of an oil spill. >> we can do better, particularly as this committee, if we made the investments as we need to make in the water infrastructure, the roads, bridges, highway and transit systems, we could put millions of people to work permanently. >> what is the union perspective on the proposed pipeline? >> would bring about thousands of family-paying wage jobs. >> james hoffa joins us tonight, president of the international brotherhood of the teamsters. mr. hoffa, good to are you with us. you are the first union head that i have spoken with on this program about the xl keystone pipeline. your thoughts. where do the teamsters stand on this proposed pipeline, and
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where are union workers in this country on this issue? >> well, we're entirely behind the keystone project. it's basically part of our infrastructure. it's going to put thousands of people to work, not only teamsters, but all of working people. you saw some of the pictures that we had on the show where we have, you know, literally hundreds of people in one segment working on this pipeline. this is something america needs right now. it puts people to work. we're talking about where are the good jobs in america. well, this is one of them, and it's one where we can get going again and basically help our country and basically get us going again with regard to our infrastructure. >> mr. hoffa, do you believe the environmental impact studies that this would be somewhat of a wash? and do you think they have been credible to this point? because a lot of environmental groups are questioning the credibility of these studies. >> well, i think that study was very helpful, because i think that was the big issue. and finally we have what i think is an independent study saying,
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really, we're basically saying that this is safer, and i believe it's safer. i believe in transporting oil by trucks. but if you have a thousand trucks, there is going to be accidents. if you have 10,000 basically railroad cars, there is going to be accidents, and we've had accidents. the technology today with these pipelines, especially with the new pipeline and if we put in the proper reserves to make sure they monitor this pipeline, kit be safe and safely done. i thought the report went a long way to basically erase some of the concerns people had. >> the southern segment of the pipeline running from cushing, oklahoma to the gulf coast and open for business on january 22nd, do unions want the job to build the northern portions? is this a big part of it that this would be union jobs, and this why you're for it? >> absolutely. what better way to have people making good money? what is our problem right now.
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we don't have enough demand in the economy. this puts people to work, skilled workers, people that know how to put a pipeline in. this is very technical work. it's got to be done right. it's got to be done safely. it's got to be the right kind of material used. and that's being done. and we can partner with the oil companies to make sure it gets done, where everybody makes good wages, and basically, we have a safe pipeline. >> all right. i want to turn to the tpp, because there has been some more trade information that came out today, or should i say earlier this week. the korean trade deal, in the last since 2011, our trade deficit with korea has grown 54%. how much more information does the white house need to realize that the tpp would take our economy in the wrong direction? more bad news on another trade deal, sir. >> well, we predicted that. when they did panama, colombia and south korea, we knew that korea was the biggest part.
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that's a big deal. and they want to export their cars. it's a one-way deal. it's very hard to do any business with korea, to get cars in there. they don't want our cars. yet they continue to export thousands of cars, thousands of products. and i want was very predictable. we told the administration this would happen, but they didn't care. they went ahead with this. so what we've got to do is to try and get smart trade deals, which brings us to the tpp. thank god i think we've got this thing stopped now, because harry reid has finally said don't bring it before me, because harry reid, if you remember, voted against nafta. and he is very proud to say that and he is against this project. >> mr. hoffa, the teamsters, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. thank you so much. and just a programing note. in the next few weeks, i can't tell you what day, but in the next few weeks, i will make the trip to nebraska, and i will investigate this imminent domain with a number of landowners down
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there that are claiming this is terribly wrong that this pipeline is going over their land. it's a story i think that needs to be told. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from jackson, mississippi. tonight's lead, breaking news in the chris christie bridge scandal. it's been the biggest mystery in this whole story. why did the christie administration shut down access lanes to the world's busiest bridge, causing massive traffic delays for emergency vehicles and children on school buses? tonight the democratic mayor at the center of it all, the mayor whose town was overrun by traffic during those four days in september, and who begged for help from the state while it was going on. tonight that