due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> why did you hit an officer? >> we have now been dispatched. go in that dorm and restore order. >> the jail responds with force after an officer is assaulted, and inmates attempt to escape. >> how many times did you shoot him? >> 10, 12 times. you know, it's horrifying. it's very traumatic. >> an 18-year-old shoots her

father to death and finds a surrogate mother on the inside. >> when she walks in, she was scared, shaken, i took care of her, showing her the ropes. let's get you ready for a shower. >> you're just going to have to take my word for it. >> somebody has threatened to flood the walk. >> another inmate, not normally known for trouble, issues a vile threat. >> there's a cup on urine right there. >> and two other inmates provide a cautionary tale for fathers and sons everywhere. >> i was out when you were 7. >> you called another man daddy, so i'm saying who was supposed to be getting mad? in downtown louisville,

kentucky, two adjoining victims buildings serve as the center of the criminal justice system. they house both the court and louisville metro department corrections jail. on any given day, 2,300 men and women have been inckarcarcerate here. most have been only accused of crimes and are waiting for trials, for the resolution. it can be a tense time. as inmates and officers who supervise them know all too well. >> here in this facility you're looking at a couple of officer assaults a month. that is jail-wide. you try to train your people to be prepared to deal with any type of situation that comes up. any day you come to work, you put yourself at risk. >> today is one of those times. >> dj hamilton got hurt. >> officer got assaulted up there. >> by the inmate. >> on lockdown until further notice.

no movement in that area unless authorized. >> we have had an officer get assaulted up on the fourth floor. they had the inmate under control and placing him in a restrapt chair. >> officer used pepper spray to secure him, he will remain strapped into the restraint chair for up to two hours until officers feel it is safe to return him to his cell. >> it is the second assault in a week on that floor. inmate to officer. >> so that dorm has a lot of young and aggressive inmates. >> you all right? >> i'm good. i was putting two guys coming back from gym in there, soon as the door opens up, inmate steps out and cold-cocks me. >> you got a pretty good bump on your head. >> it's a bruise. my jaw was sore. it's good now. my knee. other than that i'm fine. >> what's going on with you and

the officer? >> nothing. >> well, why did you hit an officer? >> just walked through your dorm and everything seemed to be going fine. then my officers go into the dorm and as soon as the door opens up, you hit one. i'm trying to figure out why. >> plead the fifth. my other eye. >> which eye? >> left one. >> i see you're injured. >> part of the job. >> during the assault, several inmates in white's dorm try to rush the door which staff view as an escape attempt. >> the dorm on camera was observed, several of them covering their faces, picking up what could be a weapon possibly. so we activated the s.o.r.t. team. >> s.o.r.t. is the special operations resorts team.

>> we have been tasked to go in that dorm and restore order. >> wait for the phone call. >> all right. >> every situation is different, the biggest concerns and threats right now is we don't know who was involved, we don't know what they have. we don't know if this was planned. there are too many unknowns. we're going to use a lot of manpower and whatever tools we have, this has to be done fast and safe. s.o.r.t. team is going to suit up in their full gear, body armor, vest. we're going to take the pepper, m-k-9 oc container, for crowd control. we'll take cuffs, due to the number of them. the taser shield. >> because of the potential to lose control of the floor, it is a very dangerous situation. >> stand by. >> what we're going to do is go in, identify who we can from the dvr. >> okay. >> we're going to go in, order

them all on the ground. anybody who doesn't want to comply with orders, we'll know that's where our attention needs to be focused at. >> due to safety concerns, the s.o. rvm t. team would not permit us to enter the dorm, but we were able to shoot the control of the raid monitors. >> they're flexicuffing all the inmates on the ground. >> they're searching these guys individually, placing them at the wall. they'll stay in that area until they complete the search of the dorm. >> with the dorm secured, our crew is allowed back inside. >> we are going to look at the dvr, try to identify the main perpetrators. >> once they shake down the entire dorm, they're able to identify the ringleaders of the incident. they're going to be moved to single cells. in administrative segregation. they will not be returning to

that dorm. >> [ bleep ] up, man. now they got us laid out sh. [ bleep ]. man. >> ain't right for real. [ bleep ] these suckers is how i feel. >> these inmates are obviously still agitated, but as of right now everything has gone the way we planned it. >> officers remove a number of inmates they suspect are those who rush the dorm and isolate them in single-person cells in the administrative segregation unit for further questioning. the inmates remaining in the dorm are placed on 24-hour lockdown. among them is brian edmond, sr. >> i knew my life was kind of off track, you know what i'm saying? i just had a rough life, my whole 36 years of living. i was doing good in school, i

had straight as and bs, i played basketball. i don't know. i just chose the wrong route. this is where it landed me. >> mr. brian edmond sr., let me look at his charges. sodomy first. intimidating a participate in a legal process. assistant felony offender 1. he was sentenced to 30 years. >> having been sentenced, edmonds now awaits transfer to prison. a place he's familiar with. he's been there on three separate occasions, serving a total of 14 years. >> tired of being in this jail. can't wait to get away from her. go to my next phase so i can get ready to get my appeal done. >> although no stranger to prison, he does find himself in unusual circumstances here. housed in a cell on another floor of the jail is his 18-year-old son bryant edmonds jr. who has been charged with two counts of murder. he has pled not guilty.

>> we don't have no real close relationship because i've been locked up off and on. i've never been there for him growing up. he knows i love him, he loves me. but we ain't really had no father and son relationship. it was more like a friendship. and if they was to convict him of it, the blame would be on me. because i ain't never been there. you know what i'm saying? i would take his charge if they were to let me. i would do his time, because i don't want to see him go through nothing like this. coming up -- >> so then you were following in your father's foot steps? >> i don't even know him to follow his footsteps, i get offended when people say that. >> brian edwards, jr., has words for his father. >> ain't nothing he can do to change my circumstance but stay the hell out of my face. and an 18-year-old takes my father's life. >> i just remember grabbing a gun, pointed, aimed it right at his head.

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at the louisville metro department of corrections jail, every staff person is aware that violence can break out any time. and sometimes it will be directed at them. the latest assault occurred when markel white punched an officer as he entered white's housing unit. >> he was charged with assault. he basically sucker punched the officer when he came in the dorm which resulted in several other disturbances in the dorm. >> white, who is currently in jail awaiting trial for murder, has been moved to a single person disciplinary segregation cell and put on s.o.r.t. status, the highest security designation in the entire jail. for now he'll be locked up 23 hours a day, lose all his privileges and have little more to do but exercise and sleep. >> what did you do? what did you do to officer

hamilton? >> i hit him. i hit him. at the end of the day i came out a [ bleep ], mace, choked out, you know? what's that chair called? >> restraint chair. >> restraint chair. >> hey, let me talk to you real quick, all right? what's going on, white? i want to talk to you a little bit about what happened last night. >> i just got fed up. >> so what are you feeling like today? >> i'm feeling good. >> you know your disciplinary officer will see you in a couple days. and because of that, i'll be by to see you and we'll be reviewing you, depending on your actions for two or three weeks, for s.o.r.t. status, all right? all right. i'll be talking to you. >> white says he lashed out at

the officer because he felt disrespected. >> i hate getting handled like a little boy. and i hate being disrespected. >> how do you feel you were disrespected? >> for them to just talk to me any kind of way, you know, but i showed them the utmost respect. when i talk to them in a mannerable way. they don't talk back mannerable. it's just a lot of little things, wroun? i just got fed up with it. >> could you ever foresee doing that again? >> no one knows what the future holds. >> the future is cloudy for bryant edmonds jr. as well. he's currently in segregation for fighting another inmate and it's not the first time his fists have put him here. >> i try to calm down from fighting as much. but a lot of times your hands get forced. you got too many chiefs, not enough indians in here if you know what i mean.

i need a different environment. that's why i'm always fighting and stuff like that. i've done so much, people always want that drama with me. >> it's the kind of drama the jail doesn't want. staff has compiled a list of keep-froms, or inmates that must be kept away from edmonds jr. this list of potential enemies makes it hard for the jail to house him. >> all right. continue. >> brian edmonds, he was recently put on admin seg. >> is this jr. or sr.? >> it's jr. >> once a month, they continue to conduct a meeting to discuss the inmates housed throughout the jail. >> the purpose of this meeting is to make sure we have the right people in the single cells. single cells are a premium item. >> edmonds has continual behavior issues. >> do we need to get him

evaluated, from a mental health standpoint? >> you can, but he is more behavioral. >> well, do it anyway, see what you come up with. >> while staff members focus on his behavior in jail, edmonds jr. says his thoughts are mostly on what brought him here. he is charged with two counts of murder, to which he's pled not guilty. >> i'm going to put it like this. i'm facing the death penalty. i'm going to start fighting for my life. i'm 18 and they're trying to take my life. i had a rough life growing up in projects, i never had no stable home. bouncing all around the city. the streets raised me. they say experience is life's greatest teacher, and that is what i had to learn from. i ain't really had no role models, nobody to actually try to guide me the opposite way. and now i'm in here, caged in. >> there is no telling if the presence of a role model could have prevented edmonds ending up

in jail on his current charges, but the void left by his father's lengthy prison stays remains an open wound. one made more painful by where his father now resides. >> my dad started on the fourth floor. he just got 30 years, though. he'd been in penitentiary all my life, anyway. it don't faze me. >> then you're following in your father's footsteps. >> i don't know him to follow in his footsteps. i get offended when people say that. i got to know him, know who he is. i didn't meet him until i was about 12. i was already running around in projects. i don't deal with him. ain't nothing he can do to change my circumstance but stay the hell out of my face. i take total responsibility for everything i do. i don't sit here and say -- i'll take responsibility for any position i put myself in. i feel like in order for me to

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the intake division at the louisville metro department krebs corrections of jail is rarely quiet. now arrestees are brought here for booking. while most will bond out, many others will be detained in jail indefinitely until their charges are resolved in court. >> put everything in that bag. >> hours earlier, 18-year-old

danielle karmack became the youngest to have a bed here. her original conviction was second degree manslaughter. two years earlier, she killed her father. >> i just remember, you know, grabbing a gun and just pointed it at, you know, aimed it right at his head. i mean, yes, my intentions were to kill at that moment. so i shot him multiple times in the back of the head. i know it is hard for some people to grasp, but when you're up against the wall in fear for your life, there's no telling what you would do or are capable of. >> karmak lived alone with her father, according to reporting, social workers filed reports of abuse in the home. >> he starts hitting me, punching, pulling my hair.

he blacks my face, bloodies my eyes. blacks my nose, finally, i'm shaking. >> karmak says when the abuse continued the next morning, she felt her life was in daej. she picked up her father's gun and shot him in the back of the head as he sat on the couch. >> how much times did you shoot him? >> 10, 12 times. just, it's horrifying. it's very traumatic. it is something i dream about. i have to live with it for the rest of my life. >> karmak says not all memories of her father are negative. >> my dad, he'd take me places. we'd go out to the movies sometimes. he took me to concerts. that's one thing we did get along about. acdc is like our band. he introduced me to it. i have been listening to it the day i was born. because he even said he used to bounce me around in my mom's stomach with the radio turned up with acdc playing. i loved him, he was my father, that's who he was. i'll always love and miss him. >> several hours after the

shooting, karmak turned herself into the police. originally charged with murder, she eventually pled guilty to second degree manslaughter and sentenced to eight years in prison. she spent most of the following year in a juvenile detention facility and released to a halfway house on probation shortly after turning 18. she violated her probation by stopping taking her medication. >> i told my probation officer i stopped taking the medication, because it wasn't helping. the probation officer tells her i stopped taking my medication and refused to take my medication. that's when she puts the cuffs on me. it's not that i refuse not to take my medication. i would have taken my medication if i knew all this was going to happen. >> the judge will eventually review the matter and could send karmak to an adult prison to serve the remainder of her eight-year sentence. louisville metro marks her first time inside an adult facility. >> what are you reading? >> a handbook.

>> oh. >> a fact that has not been lost on sherry. >> ready to go learn your number thing on the phone? >> sure. >> who is helping karmak adjust on her first day in jail. >> when she walked in, she was scared to death, shaking. i imly grabbed her and stayed up with her last night. i've been taking care of her, showing her the ropes. around this way, danielle. >> my case, i need to trust someone. because i feel like i got nobody, i just got myself. and i know in jail, it is not the ideal place to find someone because they're out for themselves. i met sherry, she came in and took me under her wing. >> she is serving one year for failure to pay child support and is awaiting trial on a variety of drug-related charges to which she has pled not guilty. >> you hit one five times. you wait, there will be a pause, it will tell you what to do. from there. okay? you can find out your commissary information. i've been in jail numerous times in and out, and unfortunately, i know the ropes.

that is not something i'm proud of. we'll have to get you a new bracelet. come on. >> i'm going to need to talk to you. they could charge you with escape. you don't want to go to the hole, honey. she needs a new bracelet. hers tore, and she is having to carry it around and i don't want to get her in trouble. >> okay. i'll locate a new one. >> thank you. i have six kids, five boys and one girl. she's 18. my youngest is 18. i can just imagine him walking in here, you know, he would have the same look probably as she did. >> oh, i know it. hey, is is that danielle's bracelet? >> yes, danielle karmack? >> there you are, baby. >> they are preyed upon. that's why i did it. take her under my wing and show her immediately what to look for. there's lesbian activity that goes on. more experienced women taking

advantage of a naive girl. >> i'm going to be a devil's advocate. how do we know you're not going to prey upon danielle? >> take my word for it. i'm not. >> not what ? >> prey upon the young and naive. no. trying to help her. i think god put it in my heart to. whatever you do, do not take this off for anything. okay, baby? because you can get in a lot of trouble for that. okay? let's get you ready for a shower. >> okay. coming up -- >> there are a lot of people hating on you, you need to chill out, okay? >> okay. >> new tensions threaten the relationship between sherry and danielle. >> everything that was said today, if i should continue to trust her or not because all that was said. and -- >> throw urine on us. >> an inmate not normally known for trouble finds himself knee deep in it. ay and it gives you a range of options to choose from. huh? i'm looking at it right now.

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here are the hour's top stories. 20 people are injured after a bus crash in pennsylvania. the injured taken to a local hospital. all but three have since been released. no fatalities. missouri's all american defensive lineman michael sam revealed in several interviews he is gay. he came out to teammates in august. sam is eligible for the nfl draft in may and if drafted that would make him the first openly gay players in nfl history. now back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. on any given day, staff at the louisville metro department corrections jail know that at least one inmate will cause enough of a disturbance to warrant a response. today it's in the disciplinary segregation unit. >> somebody has threatened to

flood the wall because he didn't get an additional tray at chow, even though he is not medically ordered to have one. >> show me your hands. >> he's threatening to throw urine on us. >> put your hands behind your back. >> officers arrive at his cell, the inmate complies with orders. >> there you go. roll the door. >> so we're going to move him to a quieter location, he will be if there as well by himself, his food slot is welded shut so he won't have access to throw urine or whatever on the officers. >> this is why we're doing this. there's a cup of urine right there. >> the officer came in, and he said i got something for you. filled up a cup full of urine, said i'm going to throw it on you. >> is that unusual that he actually warned the officer he would throw the urine on? >> no, the problem would be when the warning is not taken seriously.

he'll say, i told you i was going to do it. proactively instead of reactively on this one. work out better for everybody. >> the inmate who made the threats, anthony kimbley, had recently moved to segregation after an incident that occurred two weeks earlier. as inmate markel white launched an assault on officer hamilton, several rushed the housing unit. kimbley was reported to be among them, up until then he was regarded as a model inmate. >> he never caused problems. just chilled out. >> we'll get you back over there eventually, all right? >> he's going through some personal issues he said. he said he's going to be quiet the rest of the night for you. >> good. >> we'll see. >> that's what we need. >> we'll see it. >> kimbley is currently in jail awaiting trial for murder. he's pled not guilty. lately he's been dealing with another death. >> i am dealing with a loss right now. you know, my daddy died.

i feel like, you know, everything's ending. >> how did your father die? >> he got smoked, he got smoked, man, but it was last wednesday. me and my dad didn't have a real serious relationship like a real bond. he had other kids he took care of. you know, he ain't never take care of me. at the same time, i still got love for him. >> kimbley might face more time in segregation due to this latest incident. staff can take his prior good behavior into account before making that decision. markel white, however, was given 60 days in segregation where he's locked in a one-man cell 23 hours a day and has losted all privileges including gym and visitation. he is on day 14 of his stay. >> how's it been going in here? >> it's all right, man. it's all right sometimes.

sometimes it's all right. it's stressful. not being out there. you know what i mean. what i really learned is i need to get out there to my son. that is the only thing that is really stressing me out. because i want to seriously be a father figure. because i know what it feels not to have a father. i don't want to see him going through the same thing. >> you didn't have a father? >> i had one, but in and out. right now i'm following in his footsteps. you know what i mean? >> when was the last time you actually got to touch your child? >> i ain't. >> you never touched your child? >> huh-uh, so i am tying to stay sane, man, trying to calm down. >> it has been several months since brian edmonds has touched or spoken to his son, brian jr., who is incarcerated one floor below him. >> when he first got locked up, we used to come out and visit together. but we had an argument, and they put keep-aways on us.

so i just want him to know that i'm sorry that i ain't ever been there, because i know that is the reason why he is going through what he is going through. so i'm basically apologizing for not being there. >> the two men may not have much time left to reconcile. edmonds sr. is about to leave the jail to start a 30-year prison sentence. edmonds jr. is charged with murder and could get the death penalty if found guilty. when told of his father's apology, he was surprised. >> it is just something hard for me to believe. i'll be 19s this year. that is the most mature part i ever heard my daddy said. i never heard him keep it real like that. him taking responsibility, that's a major move in his life. make me feel like he do kind of give a damn now. i want to see him say it. i would love to be there and hear him say, you know, man, i blame myself for what you're going through. i guess it would change how i

look at a lot of things in life really. it would help me get rid of hatred in my heart that i always had toward my daddy. coming up -- the edmonds give their relationship what could be its final chance. >> what's going on? but first -- >> i say stop talking about it, you need to stop talking about it. >> a different sort of parental relationship hits a nerve. >> i wasn't expecting someone to come out and say that, but i should have known.

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served time in. she served time in a juvenile facility before being released to a halfway house. she's in jail now for a parole violation and has come to rely on sherry lechte for guidance. >> they're going to bring you another sandwich, but you can start on this. >> i'm good, you eat that. >> i got this. i'm good. >> you're strararving. >> just woke up. >> recently the friendship has grown noticeably strained. lechte believes that karmak is making a mistake by revealing details of her case to other inmates. >> which we need to discuss that, danielle, i told you you need to stop talking about your charges, i got up, eating, you were still talking about your charges. your case and the details and stuff. you need to stop it. >> i feel like it is kind of my business. i'm grown. i'm 18. i know it's still young, but, like, i kind of see you're trying to look out for me. i really don't know what i'm

trying to say, honestly. >> i'm going to tell you right now, there's a lot of people in here, i'm talking about a lot of people that are hating on you and your case, and they're saying they're tired of hearing about it. they're saying you're changing your story. i mean, this is not the place. when i -- i'm telling you, you know, when i tell you to stop talking about it, you need to stop talking about it. something bad's going to happen, danielle. you need to realize that. this ain't little kid juvenile place. this is bigger. it's time you grew up. they will use this stuff against you, trust me. it happens in here. >> so people are not going to like the fact that you killed your father. >> i understand. >> you know what i'm saying? it's between you and god. i'm just an inmate. you don't have to convince me. you don't have to convince anybody in here. >> you have to get to know me. it's like the saying judge me

and i'll prove you wrong because i'm not my charge by no means at all. >> i can see that. i can see, you know, but i'm not everybody in here. a lot of people hating on you. you need to chill out, okay? >> okay. >> eat. >> i think mainly what it is is people are not liking the fact that she killed her father and she's finding it -- don't get me wrong, danielle, because i love you with all my heart, she's finding it very easy to talk about. if i -- if i shot my dad ten times in the head and there's more to it than she's told me, if it's true, i couldn't sit here calmly and talk to you or anybody else. couldn't do it. but she's -- i'm not her. i didn't experience it. and i hope to god i never do. but that is why they're hating on her, trying to figure out how she can sit here and talk about it over and over.

and it don't bother her. >> everything that was said today, like, questionable if i can continue to trust her or not because all that was said. it caught me by surprise, like i wasn't expecting someone to come out and say that but i should have known really before i started opening my mouth and talking about it and stuff like that. >> are you okay? >> yeah. i'm fine. i think i'll just keep to myself and just until i leave. stay out of way, stay out of trouble. avoid people, everything. >> i think i'm just trying to toughen you up in case you do go to prison, because when you go to prison, it's going to be a lot harder and there isn't going to be someone that's going to take you in and look out for you. you need to prepare yourself. you seem very, very upset with me. >> no, i'm just eating and i just woke up. >> the next time we checked in with karmak, she informed us she no longer wished to speak on camera. while her relationship with

lechte seemed frayed, anthony kimbley apparently want to repair his relationship with jail staff. >> i've never had a problem with you, so it was hard for me to expect that out of you. >> he was recently moved to a more secure cell after threatening to throw a cup of urine at an officer. >> we moved him to a quieter location. to give him peace and quiet and get thoughts together. normally mr. kimbley doesn't give me a problem ever. i was surprised to find out he was kicking the door and threatening to throw urine. have a seat so i can hear you. >> kimbley says he has been upset over the recent death of his father. >> i understand you have been upset over some personal issues. >> i just needed somebody to sit down and talk to. i feel like i couldn't just sit down and talk to anybody. >> right. it's a very stressful time. especially when you lose somebody. and you can't leave to go do anything about it. you can't leave to go comfort your family like you want. it's hard on you. i just feel like putting you in

here i give you some peace and quiet. >> i feel like it lets some of the stress off by beating the door. >> punch your mat if you need to because you're not going to hurt your hands or feet doing that, not like you were kicking a steel door. one thing i could suggest you do is get paper, sit down and write all your stuff out on paper. it helps a lot. trust me. it does. it helps you release it, get it out. you're putting it on paper so you can go back later and read it. >> i never thought of that. >> try doing that. all your feelings. how you feel. everything. >> it's like writing a rap or story. >> it really does help. that's a really nice way f releasing what you have inside. >> and you'll read the story? >> yeah, i'll come and read it. >> i'm going to write a story. >> okay. >> appreciate you coming to me. >> you're welcome. thank you, mr. kimbley, for not being all disruptive for me and

everything else. i figured i would just give you some peace and quiet, and figured that's what you needed. >> yeah. >> okay? i'll come back and talk to you. okay? thank you. >> with most of the inmates that don't cause any problems, i will go out of my way to spend more time talking to them. he was all excited about writing everything down so he could show it to me later on. that boosted his attitude. he's a little bit happier at the moment. i don't think we'll have any problem with him kicking the door or anything at all. coming up -- >> why do you act like i ain't never tried, though? even when i lived with you. >> we fought almost every day. >> you didn't mind your mother -- >> did you expect anything different? >> from inside the walls of jail, a father and son provide a lesson for all parents. so you're telling me your mom has a mom cave?

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on any given day more than 2,000 men and women are

incarcerated at the louisville metro department of corrections jail. most are working on their cases, hoping to clear their names and go free. today, however, two inmates, brian edmonds jr., and his father, brian sr., will attempt to clear long-lingering emotional wounds. edmonds jr., who could be sentenced to death if he's found guilty, asked jail officials to allow him a final visit with his father, who will soon transfer to state prison to start a 30-year sentence. the request was approved. >> it really might be the last time i get to see him for a while. >> what's up, baby? >> what's up? >> what's going on? what's going on with you? >> well, let me tell you something before we start the conversation. i already told them from the

get-go, i don't blame you for nothing. i chose the path i took. i chose to do what i wanted to do. but the same time, i want to know, you know what i'm saying, if you could do anything different, what could you have done? what you thought you could have done different. >> there would have been a whole lot different. i would have chose a different route so you wouldn't end up in the situation that you was in. following in the same footsteps as me and your uncle. i'm tired of every time i look up you're in the hole. i'm sick of the fighting. i mean, that bothers me. i'm saying i know you're going to handle your own. but i mean, never knowing when something serious is going to happen to you. i'm saying that's frustrating. that's very frustrating. >> i mean, it's frustrating to me that you just got 30 years. you know? and then, you know, we always had a friendship, but we ain't have a four/son relationship, and it's like, you know what i'm saying, when you're locked up you talk a whole lot of sense, you don't want this, you don't

want that, but you ain't never demonstrate that. put it like this. if we was both to get out today, what do you feel you could do to help me? even if you don't ever get out. you got 30 years. they offered me 30 years not too long ago. if i get po 30 years just like you, what would you do to help me develop to the man you never was or you wanted to be? let's say i'm willing to listen or learn -- >> you act like i ain't never tried, though. >> explain to me. >> even when i lived with you. >> we fought almost every day. >> if i whoop you, what was you doing? you try to make it seem like i was just off the muscle fighting you. no. i'm saying you weren't minding period. you didn't mind nobody but your mother. so what am i supposed to do? >> did you expect anything different? >> no. no. i never expected anything different from not being there. >> i ain't never really been loved. like i remember the first christmas we had together. you remember that? >> mm-hmm. >> you started crying. >> it wasn't the first christmas but -- >> the first christmas. the first time we really spent christmas together. >> yeah.

>> i feel like i -- i ain't never talked about i was a kid, i was probably about 12, that was the first time i ever thought you really loved me. other than that i ain't never had -- i don't know what the hell love is. i rather not have shoes, clothes, all that materialistic [ bleep ] and just have my mom and my dad. that's just how i feel. i wish i would have had my mom and my dad. and i feel like i would have been all right. i would have had some morals and some principles. you know what i'm saying? that's why i'm so angry. you know what i'm saying? because of stuff i never had. >> moments later edmonds jr. brings up his father's recent relationship with another woman and her young daughter. >> and you on the phone telling her you love her -- >> i wasn't even talking to her. >> you love her and her child. >> i write you every day -- hold, hold. >> i'm trying to finish. no, no. because you ain't going to go through all that. i write you every day through the work days. and every letter i write you i tell you i love you. there's not one letter you wrote me telling me you love me. not one. don't try to make it seem like i

told a little girl i love her and -- >> [ bleep ]. that's the thing, you told her, period. >> i'm saying what do a child got to do with it? >> that ain't your child. >> it don't matter. >> you weren't there for me when i was 6 and 7. 8. >> why wasn't i? you was out. i was out when you were 7. you called another man daddy. so i'm saying who's supposed to be getting mad? >> who was with my mama when you went to penitentiary? >> it don't matter. that was your mama's choice. >> look, i only did this interview because they said you want to do it. i'm saying for real, bro, we ain't got to go through this. >> i ain't give a [ bleep ] about this interview. >> he's trying to make it seem like it's just his -- >> brian sr., he's angry. >> he's supposed to be. i mean, i get frustrated when i think about it because i already know that the majority of the situation got something to do with me not being there. it's hard knowing that he could

possibly end up with the death penalty. it's hard to even think about it. i always wanted to be there to help him. but i mean, which is sad to say, i let his mama basically run me away. and for a long time i had a grudge against her because she had another baby. so when i did get out, that's what was really stopping me from any -- you know what i'm saying. even being around him. because of that. and i should never have done it. but i felt like that was the only way for me to get even with her. and then when i got out and he was calling him daddy, it was real touching. >> did you blame me for that? >> no. i blamed your mama. i mean, i'm sorry that i was never a father figure, you know what i'm saying, and just being your friend. i mean, i wanted it so bad because, like, wroyou know whatm

saying, honestly in my heart i didn't want you to end up here with me. you might think i'm saying this for the cameras. for real, [ bleep ] these cameras. i only did the interview for you. you feel me? i only did it so i can have this conversation. you know what i'm saying? this is affecting me way more than it's affected you. because i know that the majority of this is only because i wasn't there. >> that's all i wanted to hear. that little bitty piece right there. this whole conversation, that was the only piece i wanted to hear. the only piece i wanted to hear. i'm no longer mad at him. at all. i swear to god, i'm not. now that we've realized this is -- you know what i'm saying, we can just get off this bridge, you know what i'm saying, some father/son stuff. if it's from jail cell to jail cell, it's still possible. you can still -- if i was to get out and you had to stay in you could still make an impression from jail. i don't know exactly how. but you know what i'm saying, ain't nothing impossible. you owe me to try. that's the only thing i'm going to say you owe me. i don't blame you for nothing else. you owe me enough at least to

put in an effort. i don't care how stubborn i am. you owe me that. and that's all i ask. >> let's wrap it up. >> yeah. >> i love you. >> i love you, too. >> i don't know really what to say. i'm satisfied, though. honestly in my heart, you know what i'm saying, i ain't mad at him. ain't no hard feelings. ain't no none of it. i feel like he was sincere about it. that part of being a man he didn't know how to do. so i know he know he's wrong. and that's all that matters. i don't care if nobody else in the world knows. now i really know. i'm cool with that. >> all right.

>> 1025, respond to the area. >> members of the jail's most predatory gang set their sites on vulnerable prey. >> the jail officials are determined to show who is in charge. >> this is my jail, ain't nobody in here want nothing in here but me. >> smeared feces all over his body a