would even support hillary over most democrats, but her entry into the race would keep out elizabeth warren or another middle class champion. i must say, don't run, hillary. don't run. that does it for the "cycle." chris christie is hoping things will blow over now that he is in the windy city. it's tuesday, february 11th, and this is "now." >> did chris christie use his helicopter to get a birds eye view of the traffic snarl? >> he's giving a big speech at the chicago economics club. >> the last few weeks haven't been the most enjoyable of my life. the fact is, we need to do our work. >> he has a u.s. attorney on his tail. >> christie needs to understand

that the public was the victim of bridgegate. >> the public of new jersey won't tolerate it. >> we started to ask why this happens. >> the bully label has now really affixed itself. >> this is a chance to prove he can do more than one thing at a time. this is not walking and chewing gum. >> this is riding a unicycle juggling chain saws. >> either he is lying or he is inept. >> protests calling for his resignation. another battle with a national newspaper and 18 more subpoenas. it is no wonder governor chris christie is getting out of town. today christie landed in the city of chicago making his third out of state trip since bridgegate began.

christie addressed the albatross hanging around his neck and blamed his staff . >> people who work for me made some significant mistakes in judgment. when you're confronted with that, the first thing that happens to you was extraordinary disappointment. extraordinary disappointment that people that i had trusted had made such bad judgments and had not told the truth. i don't think it will curtail for the long haul a second term agenda. >> as christie was busy, nearby democrats held a news conference. ted strickland announced christie was lying or incompetent. victims of the ft. lee lane closures were holding a protest on the george washington bridge. while all of this was happening,

christie's office decided their best strategy was to take on the second largest newspaper in the country. in an e-mail sent a few hours a ago, the governor's office issued a full throated defense that read more like an offense. his office said it was correcting comments made on this network earlier today, but like other e-mails before it the message read less like a fact check and a lot more like an angry comment. myth number one from "the new york times," christie administration efforts to gather all the facts are an attempt to threaten people. then actual fact. governor christie has promised a thorough review so something like this never happens again. okay. the okay is mine. then there's myth number four.

the governor's office operation have shut down. actual fact. in keeping his word about not letting anything get in the way of doing his job, he's kept a robust public schedule in the last couple weeks. there was no mention of shady behavior has a 16-year-old or her tenure at "the new york times." joining me now is times editor at large mark halprin and michael isikoff. this strategy of brazen and unrelenting attack on those who you think may be doing wrong, do you think it is a successful one for the governor at this point? >> it's unorthodox.

i still wonder how any governor, particularly one who is so concerned about government spent i -- spending, feels this is a legitimate use of taxpayer dollars. it's effective to the following extent. part of what's going on here, in her view, is they're trying to send signals to people don't pop your head aboveground because if you do, we'll bash you down. >> the whack-a-mole style of defense. >> the other thing they're doing is trying to gather facts. whether this is going to be fought out in the court of law or public opinion, they're not as advanced in a position as those trying to do them harm. they're trying to get information. that's legitimate politics. but in terms of governance, i'm

not sure how effective that'll be. >> kate pointed out the public may be paying for randy master's review and the pushback from the christie campaign was she fails to mention taxpayers are paying for chris christie's defense. >> it's always a question if you've got government wrong doing who should pay for it. but in this case, some of the illegal activities go beyond the fact-finding report and go beyond preparing to comply with subpoenas and they seem to go to kind of an offensive spin machine. in politics, that's fine. if we go up against the u.s.

attorney, if we see witnesses before the grand jury, if we see indictments down the road, i think some of this stuff is going to look dicey, but they feel they have to defend themselves. >> michael, i want to talk about payments because we have new news that christie's campaign, the campaign operation received a subpoena, they got the green light to spend unused election funds. how surprising was that in this investigation? >> well, it was actually an interesting hearing before the new jersey election law enforcement commission today because the commission has a rule that you can't use campaign funds to defend yourself in a criminal investigation. and that rule actually applies preindictment. in other words, you don't have to wait for an indictment. you can't use your campaign funds. so this actually created a request from the campaign

committee, a novel issue before the commission. how do they square the campaign committee's request to spend money to comply be the state attorney and subpoenas without running afoul of commission rules? if it can't spend legal fees and compliance fees, they need to hire a computer forensic firm to search all its records. they would be running in contempt by both the committee legislature and the u.s. attorney. look, the commission gave them a pass on this. they said they made an exception. they did say they wanted the campaign committee to notify it if it learned itself was a target. mark sheridan, the lawyer for the campaign committee, stressed that there is no indication that the governor himself is the target of this investigation. of course, at this point, we do

not know who the target is. there's no target letter out there. can i say one more thing on the point you were raising with mark? he's absolutely right that the kind of e-mails we've been getting from the governor's office is the sort of thing you would usually see in a political operation. but in this case, the new jersey republican party, for example, can't respond. can't put out these sorts of e-mails because it itself has received a subpoena from the state legislature in this investigation. so in many ways, christie camp's hands are tied. they have no outlet. they can't use their political operation to defend themselves, so they're left with the governor's office having to do it and that does raise these questions about use of taxpayer funds for political spin. >> let me ask you one more on the subpoenas.

the helicopter logs. the new jersey police are saying today none of the three transports flew over or close to the g.w. bridge or ft. lee including the flight on 9/11. i didn't think i would be discussing in such detail helicopter logs, but how important is that information? >> the committee is sort of striking -- casting a very wide net here. it's going off in lots of different directions, and it looks like many of these directions aren't going to yield any real information. this may be an example of that. the committee had some reason to believe that the governor may have even taken a helicopter ride with david wildstein that day on september 11th. he was seen in a photographer

with wildstein on this memorial event. some led the committee to believe they may have flown there together. the governor's office denied that and the state police said they didn't fly over the g.w. bridge. i think we're going to see a lot of avenues in this investigation reach dead-ends. it doesn't mean that there's not a real core there yet to be found. incidents like this one, i think, we're going to see quite a few of that. >> mark, the scope of this is very, very broad. 18 more subpoenas issued yesterday. today i was watching christie speak at the event in chicago. he was talking about the legacy of george w bush. he was talking about the war on drugs. he was talking about immigration. he was talking about 2016 and the republicans not needing a

perfect candidate. the rga raised $6 million in january. >> christie on display today was the christie that a lot of people liked. it is easy to forget in the few months that this has been going on the reasons why in november and december he was considered the frontrunner for the gop. little bit more complicated now because he needs his own party with him than anybody else because that's his base. he was a little bit more low key today. that guy is wearing several hats. the version on him display today is hard to put on display in the

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pity john boehner. fresh off his bid to revive immigration reform only to abandon it a week later, he's twisted himself into a knot over something that used to be very simple, raising the nation's debt limit. for more than a week, he's been trying to hold the debt limit hostage in exchange for rolling demands including presidential approval of the keystone pipeline. that wasn't enough. doing away with risk corridors in the affordable care act. then that wasn't the right kind of pain. as of yesterday, restoring military pension cuts, ones republicans negotiated in december's budget deal until the caucus decided that was another kind of pain entirely. instead of extracting something that would really hurt democrats or foul up the administration,

instead of doing anything that would in any way be inconvenient to the democratic party, unable to figure out what they want and how to get their members to vote for it, they're waving their white flag. >> listen, you've all known that our members are not crazy about voting to increase the debt ceiling. our members are also very upset with the president. the question they're asking is, why should i deal with his debt limit? we'll let the democrats put the votes up and we'll put up the minimum number of votes to get it passed and i'll be one of them. >> it is not his debt limit. it is the u.s. treasury's. this is the very thing that president obama has been calling for since last may, and the republican about face is stunning given what boehner said a few months ago during the last

default crisis. >> we are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. i told the president there's no way we're going to pass -- the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit. >> until they are. speak eer boehner seemed unfaze at this morning's press conference. >> what a wonderful day. plenty of sunshine. >> the house is getting ready to take its second procedural vote on a clean debt limit bill any moment now. joining me is managing editor of "the washington posts" politics session and editorial director at the huffington post.

my question is 3/4 of the gop membership are against this plan to have a clean debt limit. how does it work, chris? how does john boehner still have a job? >> first of all, remember, alex, back to the the start of the 113th congress. if this tea party group had been organized or strategyic, it's possible that john boehner wouldn't be speaker. this is what we've seen over and over again. you mentioned keystone, risk corridors, the military benefits. all of those things were attempts to get those 30 to 40 republicans, who will never vote for john boehner, to get them on board so they can pass this with a very strong republican vote.

when boehner says there aren't the votes back then, he was talking about there aren't the republicans votes. he hasn't given up on that idea at this point. this is the same narrative arc that happened with the farm bill, with the fiscal cliff, with the government shutdown. boehner tried to appease the right with their conference and then they're forced to admit defeat. when he walked in, he said happy, happy, happy. i took that as sarcastic. >> you link to a site where there is a -- a note that's been set on "duck dynasty." i'll go to howard here. to ask you about brinkmanship, michelle bachman said you've got to know when to hold them and

when to fold them. those were surprising words when michelle bachman spoke them. do you think we're at the brink of brinkmanship being over? >> the problem is the arithmetic keeps getting harder and harder for john boehner. even though the tea party is reduced in its clout, they have enough numbers to make trouble, michelle bachman not with standing. everybody is assuming that john boehner is going to be able to convince 16 other republicans, only 16, assuming all the democrats vote for this debt ceiling increase, that's 200 votes right there. they still need 17 votes, and john boehner says he's voting for it, but my understanding is they're having a hard time

rounding up at least the other 16. i guess they'll get there. but it's a further humiliation to john boehner that he can't even get up cleanly. it's not working out in that sense. he can't throw up his hands without their being obligations. the heritage action people and the club for growth people have said that they're going to, quote, score this. anybody who votes to increase the debt ceiling is going to be in evil status, that they're going to attack. most republicans don't want to have to deal with that, so it's a messy end to a messy end. >> boehner is trying to wave the white flag and his own party is trying to grab it from his hands. what happens in the senate? the outside groups heritage, the club for growth, the senate

conservative fund has a web side called replacethespeaker.com. how much resistance can the senate republicans put up? >> they can put some up. my guess is they will not. my guess is that immigration will be the next big battleground, but i think howard makes a great point, which is the hardest thing about being john boehner right now -- i've said for a long time i don't know why anyone would want to be the speaker of the house given the nature of things right now. anything he's for, he's a big block of republicans that will be against. it almost doesn't matter what it is. they're just going to be against it. it's very hard to navigate that because his options at this point -- he was left with these options. either let the bill pass with a

majority of democratic votes, which undermines him if and when he decides to run again if the republicans control the house or let us go the debt ceiling default, which he does not fundamentally believe in or want to do. it's not even the choice between two bad choices. it's two terrible choices. one for the country and one for him personally. >> this comes back to the democrats. the democrats working in a bipartisan fashion to carry the legislation over the line. and i wonder if democrats have learned anything about negotiating tactics. one of the things that he concludes is the lesson of the shutdown basically is an engagement doesn't work. the more ground you give, the more conversations you have, the more you validate the extreme position of the tea party.

any gesture in their direction will only be interpreted as confirmation that their delusions are true. in fact, the democrats have won effectively in all these other recent negotiations. >> they've won in tactical senses, and i suppose they've won in some sense politically. but what they've lost, along with the whole country, is the ability to discuss important issues in an adult fashion. sure, i understand the white house thinking and the president's thinking. whatever we do wrong, meaning we democrats, you can be sure the republicans will screw it up worse. you can be sure they'll say something completely idiotic or try some foolish tactic, which they have and will continue to do. but winning those tactical battles doesn't really get the president the bigger picture, which is that he wants major

reforms that he's unable to get to some extent whether it's taxes, those kinds of things. we're kind of in a national stalemate here as the president and the democrats and the white house people shrewdly out maneuver the republicans. >> party versus country. we'll have to leave it there. thank you both. >> thanks, alex. coming up, we'll bring you the latest on the house antics and the latest on the debt limit vote one and the same. that's coming up. just ahead, attorney general eric holder calls for states to repeal laws that could restore voting rights to millions of americans today. he actually calls to repeal laws that prevent americans from voting. we'll have the details on that just ahead.

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seat to this year's state of the union. it set up its own health exchange. over 195,000 people have signed up for health insurance in the bluegrass state. 151,000 through medicaid expansion and 41,000 through the state's exchange. while the governor remains popular, the law is not. 49% of kentuckyians want to repeal it, highlighting the difficulties facing red state democrats ahead of november's midterms. those head winds are likely to be exacerbated that the administration is once again delaying the employer mandate. mid sized companies will now have until 2016 to cover their employees or face a penalties. larger companies must offer

insurance to 70% of them by 2015 and 95% by 2016. republicans wasted not even a moment to display their disbelief at this exchange. the white house seems to have a new exemption from its failed law for a different group every month, said mitch mcconnell. joining me now is steve beshear. thank you so much for joining the program. >> thanks for having me. >> congratulations on meeting some success in that decision. with the latest news, the news in the last 24 hours, that the white house is delaying the employer mandate again, how much trouble do you think this is going to cause you? >> i don't think it's going to cause us any trouble. it's working in kentucky.

we are over 212,000 people who have signed up for affordable health coverage and 100,000 of those are 35 years and younger. so everything is really clicking along in kentucky. i think it's picking up in most other states as well as the federal exchange. this is not going to be something you look at in six months to a year and declare victory or defeat. this is going to work. it's going to take some time for it to work. it took medicare about three or four years to get all the kinks worked out of it back in the 60s and 70s. >> governor, you once called the expansion of medicaid and the implementation of the state exchanges and the affordable care act a moral issue. what strikes me is how reluctant that 20 governors have been at

this point answering that moral call who states who need it. my question to you is could this and will this eventually be something that republicans will have to run from? this decision to deny people in their own state access to health care. >> you know, i think that unfortunately the governors and the folks in these states that are not going in the direction that kentucky is going in are going to regret it. their people are going to demand affordable health coverage. when they find out what's going on in other states, they're going to demand it. sooner or later, these governors are going to have to do it. they're going to have to answer to their people why they made a political decision rather than a decision in the best interests of their people. >> kentucky is a fascinating

state across the country for many of us because of the hot senate race that's happening in the bluegrass state. it's close to the margin of error. could we see mitch mcconnell ousted? >> yes, you very well could see that. people are just kind of sick and tired of what goes on in washington, d.c. they're tired of the dysfunction. he's very much a part of that dysfunction. when he came out in 2010 or 2011, as the minority leader that his number one priority wasn't to get health care for his people or create more jobs for americans, it was to defeat the president. that's the kind of thing that kentuckyians are sick and tired of. they're ready for a fresh face.

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house voted to proceed with final debate on a clean debt ceiling increase via voice vote. it allows republicans to avoid casting a vote on the record for a bill introduced by their own party, but not supported by a majority of it. we're awaiting a final house vote in the next hour. but moments ago, nancy pelosi said this on the floor of the house. >> that's why i'm grateful to the speaker and the republican leadership for giving this house this opportunity to act in a way that is consistent with the constitution. when this measure passes today, congress will state unequivocally that the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not in doubt. >> joining me now is luke russert. always high jinks over there. when it comes down to it, it's nancy pelosi's show. just that clip set it all.

she's thankful to house republicans because here's the clean debt limit increase the president has been asking for for months. >> it will be up to nancy pelosi to get this bill across the finish line. also funny because it's something she's been asking for a while. they finally got it. to give you an idea into what the house gop leadership was thinking, john boehner last week, he came up with keystone and other ideas. they rejected it. he came up with another idea yesterday. they rejected it. fine, if you don't want anything, you'll get nothing and like it, to take a line out of "caddy shack." he went out of his way to show his conference this is what we can try to do, but it won't work. at some point, you'll have to take a clean debt limit

increase. come the elections in 2014, they'll regret trying not to move the keystone pipeline. think of the red state senators who could have tried to get on the record, but couldn't do that. >> luke, you are, i think, officially our boehner whisp whisperer. he was singing out of the press conference this morning. that would seem to be ironic. does boehner emerge in any way emboldened out of all this? >> it seems john boehner is picking up where he left off when he was critical of those outside conservative groups saying, to hell with you. we're not going to continue to

play this game. we're going to pass a clean debt limit extension weeks ahead of the deadline. bring it on. club for growth came out against him. there's anger at him based on the heritage action group folks. he feels he took them down the path they wanted to go. this time around when he has cover from some guys who are pretty conservative who are saying let's keep our powder dry on this, he's fine with the outside groups coming after him this early on in the year. we'll come back around on election time and say see, i'll be able to get the fiscal issues off the field and we don't look like idiots. >> but, i bet there's some on

the other side of the aisle that would take issue on whether or not they look like idiots. give us a sense of what needs to happen for this to pass the house. even if all the democrats support a clean debt limit raise, john boehner needs to deliver some republican votes. do you know what that number is at this point, and is there any concern he might not be able to do that? >> there's always concern that he might not be able to do that. he said clearly this morning we'll need to find the 20 to 30 republican votes. i'll be one of them. he said it was around 18 if nancy pelosi will be able to deliver all of the democrats. i don't think she'll be able to deliver all of them. some democrats said they were comm committed to raising a clean

debt ceiling. i believe some of the leadership team have said they will support a clean debt limit increase. >> where is paul ryan in all of this? he has emerged as the wiseman in the house republican caucus. >> i don't have a sense of what it is right now. he often is very quiet going into these things. he won't comment to reporters. he'll say, you're confusing me with somebody who is commenting on this. if he supports it, it is a clear indication he's with leadership. he doesn't think there needs to be any drama over the debt ceiling right now. >> some fights end. some fights begin. and some are just renewed. thank you for the update. >> thank you. coming up, eric holder makes

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formerly incarcerated individuals, this increases the probability they'll commit more crimes. >> an estimated 5.8 million people in this country are prohibited from casting a ballot. more than a third of them are african-americans. for the men and women who lived through the era of jim crow and their children, these policies echo a deeply troubled time. >> they have their roots in centuries old conceptions of justice that were based on exclusion and fear. the impact of felon disenfranchisement on modern communities of color remains

disproportionate and unacceptable. >> it is unclear what impact holder's argument will have on state officials. it has made him some unlikely allies, rand paul. stay tuned. that's all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work.

>> let his party give him the debt ceiling increase that he wants. >> clean, clean, clean. >> this has got to be a first. >> politicians in washington, they aren't listening to us. >> you learn a leader without followers is simply a man taking a walk. >> sam i am. >> the debt ceiling increase that he wants. >> clean, period. >> from one hour to the next, they don't know that they're going to do on debt ceiling. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. it's taken three years for john boehner to figure out that, you know, maybe this guy in the white house isn't so bad after all. we'll try to work with him a little bit. yesterday on this broadcast we talked about trust. we talked about how the republicans did not trust the president of the united states. that he has been bad