we will continue to wait for justice for jordan. >> he's going to learn that he must be remorseful for the killing of my son. >> race is the elephant in the room that was not discussed. >> what was the jury listening to? >> we are not going to sit this one down right here. >> still seeking justice for jordan. hello to you all. i'm t.j. holmes. craig melvin is off today. you are watching msnbc. right now, reaction to the verdicts in the michael dunn case. lawyers plotting the next move.

demonstrator s vowing to fight for jordan davis who would have turned 19 years old today. we're live outside the courthouse. also ahead. i'm reaching out to some of america's leading foundations and corporations to help more young men of color facing especially tough odds to stay on track and reach their full potential. >> my brother's keeper. president obama's upcoming plan to help those most affected by poverty and prison. and this -- >> welcome to curling, everybody. >> looks like house work until you try it. >> more curious about this has to be tougher than it looks. >> curiosity of curling. 16th century sport is red hot at the olympics. what is this about in how does this exactly work? we'll be talking to the so-called first family of curling. and here's jimmy! tomorrow jimmy fallon brings "the tonight show" back to new

york. we'll go inside the show's lasting legacy. but let's start at the top of the hour here with the trial of michael dunn and the shooting death of florida teenager jordan davis. the trial is over. the jury's verdict means dunn will go to prison but not for killing jordan davis. a mistrial was declared on the most serious count, murder in the first degree. but dunn was convicted of three counts of attempted murder and a charge of firing into a vehicle. prosecutors hope to retrial davis, retry dunn, i should say, on the murder charge. now kerry sanders live outside the courthouse. what has the reaction been in jacksonville? >> reporter: well, those who believed that michael dunn was guilty are very upset and they don't understand how it is that after all of the presentation made to the jury that they could not conclude that he was guilty of first-degree murder. it appears according to analysts

that looked at this because we have not heard from the jurors, that they were hung up on the issue of first degree or second degree. and the reason it appear this is they're hung up on the two is because they did find him guilty of aterveted murder for shooting his weapon ten times, nine times striking the car with three other people in the car. until we hear from the jury if we hear from the jury, it appears some believed he was guilty of second-degree murder because in the period of time he took his gun, did he have the time to establish premeditated murder. there are a lot of people upset here believing he was guilty. folks out here were actually protesting at some point and protesting their anger towards the prosecutor who they believe over charged in this case rather than bringing first-degree murder charges and why didn't

she just charge him with second-degree murder. t.j.? >> kerry, thank you so much. now lisa bloom for nbc news and ovo.com. her new book "suspicion nation." also, sheryl anderson in florida, with the florida chapter of moms demand action for gun sense in america. also a friend of the davis family. and in studio with me, karen desoto, former prosecutor and legal analyst and ester arma, contributing writer at alternate.org. let's listen to now the state prosecutor angela cori from last night. >> as far as we're concerned right now, we intend to retry him, retry michael dunn on first-degree murder. >> lisa, why? why go this route? the man is going to spend the rest of his life in prison if the verdicts we have stand. but why retry him? why is that necessary and why

first-degree murder again? >> well, retrying him is absolutely necessary. this is very much like getting al capone for tax evasion. it is satisfying he is behind bars but justice requires locking up to a murderer for murder. not on the lesser charges. as to angela corey, i'm deeply critical of her in my book, the top four reasons why the prosecution bungled the trayvon martin case and many of those are present here in the michael dunn case, including overcharging. there's no reason to make the case harder for your prosecutors in that courtroom, especially now one time there's been a hung jury. charged with second-degree murder, lesser included of manslaughter, it is a much easier case and you will get the conviction. you know, angela corey seems unable to learn from the mistakes, to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result is the very definition of insanity. i would hope to take a look, a hard look at what went wrong in the courtroom and do something

different the next time. >> let's bring in the mother from last evening, a very different sound bite to play for you now. let's listen in to lucille mcbath, the mother of jordan davis. this was not too long after the verdict last night. >> it's sad for mr. dunn that he will live the rest of his life in that sense of torment and i will pray for him. and i've asked my family to pray for him. we'll continue to stand and we'll continue to wait for justice for jordan. >> ester, that was difficult to watch last evening. should a lot of people who are angry take her lead in that it is very difficult, the mother of jordan davis, to hear her say she is praying for dunn and felt sad for him in some way. it's difficult to take that

stand. >> jordan davis's mama can say anything she wants. today is her baby's birthday and what she is having to do is bury her child and so it is extraordinary to me the way we constantly require a kind of a reasonability from parents burying their black babies in order for us to be able to think about justice. i think there are specific issue of my heart, every part of me goes out to her and her family. there are a larger issue of justice and race and thinking of trying a case, we think about the evidence before the jury but the evidence consistently ignored when it comes to the issue is the race played a part in the crime and so race matters as much as the weapon that he discharged. this is a man about whom there was actual evidence to deal with his prejudicial beliefs. it was not presented in front of the jury. >> race was -- i guess it was there. sheryl, what are we supposed to say? what do we tell our young black

boys and girls in the country, for that matter, supposed to them about how the legal system, the court system, the justice system views them. how a jury may view them and people around them and are we supposed to tell them to do something differently? >> i never told my children to do anything differently. i have three children now that are adults and five grandchildren. and i would never tell them to do anything other than to be themselves. and i know some people will disagree with that. i would never do that. the reason i would explain to them the reason we have the problems we're having as far as jordan's case is concerned has to do with the stand your ground law. it has to do with the fact that it emboldens people, gives them the idea to do these things because, well if i say that i was afraid, i'm defending myself. therefore, there's no consequence for me to pay.

>> i just jump in and say part of the challenge is the way we frame this. what do we tell our black boys and girls about how they move through the world. this is how the michael dunns and george zimmermans move through the world and entitled as a result of using the law to actualize racist behavior. >> this is what we struggle with is that do we still need to make young black men and women how the rest of the world might be viewing them? there has to be an awareness of what we're doing, how we're being viewed and whether that changes the behavior or not. i think that should be a part of the conversation, as well. that's the difficult part we're talking about. we bring up the issue of guns and the law down in florida, but you agree with the point that in you know what? i don't think maybe a gun or a law or change of law is it going

to keep zimmerman from pulling the trigger? dunn from pulling a trigger or contribute to them pulling it thinking they have a law to back them up? >> well, okay. in 2010 the supreme court said that we have the right to bear arms. up to the individual states to go as far as they want with it. now, i can tell you as a former prosecutor, criminal defense attorney, that those states that have laws where you're allowed to have a concealed weapon or give out weapons like m&ms, this is common sense that these things will happen. if you're not trained and don't have a background check like police officers, you won't have the discipline not to pull the trigger in stupid arguments or senseless things. that's going on here. talk about stand your ground and really the state of florida allowing people to carry around weapons. zimmerman wouldn't have got out of the car if he didn't have a gun and felt comfortable to confront someone. >> lisa, why is it -- explain to

folks. but they couldn't talk about and would it have made a difference to talk about jordan davis's character? they didn't -- weren't allowed to talk about a good kid and his background because in some way that was supposed to affect a fair trial for dunn. would that have made a difference if they heard more about this kid's background? >> i think it's very important to humanize the victim and prosecutors doing their job always try to do that. didn't happen for trayvon martin or here for jordan davis. technically they can't put on a large number of witnesses to say this was a great young man and here's the wonderful things he did but you can get it in in a more subtle way, through the friends and family members that testify. similarly, to the way this they got it in for michael dunn and a lot of testimony about how he was gentle and peaceful, even though there were at least two neighbors willing to testify otherwise and a man who had used the "n" word and told to stop doing that by a neighbor and

written racist letters from prison. so they both failed to humanize jordan davis and they failed to show that negative side for michael dunn. >> i'm going to let you wrap us on the point. we were kind of going back and forth about it. you want to tell your children to be themselves and if the world doesn't like it, this's on them. but at the same time, i mean, how do we balance also telling our young people to be aware of their surroundings, to be aware of how they might be viewed otherwise because we have seen in some cases it could literally get you killed. >> well, the only thing i can say is that i have never given my children any extraordinary information, nothing that any other parent would have given their child. i let them know that the world can be a dangerous place and you have to be careful. that's for sure. but -- and i also make them aware of where they are. what particular -- you know? what particular part of the country they are and the

traditions of that area. i have never done anything out of the ordinary and i have three successful young adults that are moving through this world just fine. and they're training their children the same way. however, just as my daughter-in-law said on facebook today, she has a concern about what she does with her son. my grandson is 10 years old. he has been very carefully taught and trained just as jordan was. and the problem is he is -- it's not a problem. he is a -- he expresses his opinion. we raised our children to express their opinion. now the concern is what's going on out in this world that people think that that expression of their opinion entitles them to take their life. i'm not going to look at my children to do anything different. i look at the laws and the people who are doing the things incorrect bring. >> thank you so much for that. again, from moms demand action down in florida. lisa bloom, thank you so much

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alternate on the men's team. have you had a chance to talk to your kids? have you talked to them and gotten reaction? >> yes. we have talked to both of them, actually. throughout the entire week. actually, they're really upbeat. they got their chins up. the team chemistry's been fine. we're really proud of their accomplishments so it was a tough week but, you know, that's sports. you know? one week tiger woods wins a golf tournament. the next he misses a cut in the majors. that's what happens in sports. >> diane, how tough is this for you to watch your kids? more stressful to watch your kids compete at this level? >> it's terribly stressful, especially with a ten-hour time change. we're up all night every night and working all day and living and dying with every shot that they make or miss. so yes. it's very stressful. >> you all have been at this for a while and got generations in the family now literally taking up the sport.

have you all -- when did the sport start to explode quite frankly? years ago, we didn't know anything about it. are you all surprised the popularity and ratings through the roof on television? are you surprised where it is now? >> well, i think the olympics obviously is the major factor in the sport of curling. nobody ever really virtually seen it. in canada, 1.5 million curlers and tournaments on the tv every weekend and united states nobody seen it until the olympics the last two or three rounds and people have fallen in love with the sport because it's a natural for tv. they have the microphones, up close and personal with the players. you can see the expressions on the face and so much strategy involved so it's really an enticing sport for absolutely everybody. >> are we headed that direction, do you think, diane, to the point of tournaments every weekend in canada. do you think we're headed that

direction? part of the issue is to have kids have more possible access to rinks where they can go practice this stuff. >> that's a big part of it. and because it's an ice sport, obviously, the skating is as well. but it's a safety issue. you can't have them out there by themselves until they know what they're doing and the curling clubs are run a lot like bowling alleys with leagues and there are training sessions and whatnot, so that's all building and they're all having open houses for the olympics now so that people can learn to curl or at least get a taste of it and decide what their interest is. wisconsin's different than a lot of areas because we have it in the high school programs. >> your grand kids, how old are they? we'll see them in the olympics i assume. >> we have a 6 and 8-year-old who are throwing stones now and then we have a little 2-year-old

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avalanche saturday in lake county, colorado. three others injured along the dangerously steep terrain. also, a bomb tore through a bus in the sinai killing at least three south korean tourists and a driver. a government spokesman calls it an act of cowardice. 11 illegal minors trapped underground in south africa brought to the surface and handed over to the police. an unknown number is inside the gold mine fearing arrest according to an emergency services spokesman. we want to get you up to speed on a story following this hour. florida jury reaching a partial verdict in the trial of michael dunn charged in the fatal shooting of jordan davis after an argument over loud music. the jury declared a mistrial on first in the first murder and convicted on attempted murder and fourth charge of firing into a veerk.

this trial on the heels of the zimmerman trial raises questions over the plight of young african-american men. something an initiative by president obama hopes to address. i want to bring in joseph lieberman bruster and michelle stevens and here, as well -- i thank you all for being here with me today for an important conversation. dr. brewster, you are a psychiatrist and written about a lot of challenges of raising young men. a day after a verdict like this, what are we to tell young black men? >> well, we want to tell them that we have options. that we understand from our research and the documentary we filmed that we made chronicling the life of two african-american boys that there's particular struggles they encounter with

implicit bias and unconscious racism. but what we do know is there are concrete things that we as parents and teachers can do to ameliorate that. >> i'm listening. >> well, well, implicit bias, unconscious racism is a perception that you have about me before i raise my voice, before i open my mouth and what i have to do is provide my son with a narrative so that whatever thought you have about him he can reality test that. you know, these boys are punished at a rate two and a half times white boys for similar offenses in school. beginning as early as four. >> dr. brewster, i want to bring in a writer with "the daily beast." what he said is in direct conflict to what a lot of people feel in terms of having to tell

young black men to some way ajust to society around them. and that harkens back to days when parents literally told their young black men, you see a white man comes towards you, get off the swuk and harkens back to those days. there's two sides to the argument. >> right. i'm conflicted for myself. on one hand, i don't think that people have to change their behavior or who they are to accommodate racism. that's in effect letting racism win. it is true that there are people who are both conscious racists and broadly many people with unconscious biases and you have to be aware of those and account for those. maybe not in your behavior we just to be aware of them to understand that they're happening. >> go ahead. finish your point. >> but that said, i really don't think that if you're someone who likes to listen to your music loud in your car, the fact that there are -- the fact that there are racists out there or people

with biases shouldn't make you change that decision. >> okay. unconscious bias, michelle. let me bring you in here because i want to give leonard pitts from "the miami herald" for this. if you want to do this, go ahead at home. picture your a california girl, close your eyes and picture a chess prodigy. close your eyes and picture a thug. the three images, the first two were probably little white kids. the third was probably a black man. michelle, what are we supposed to do about that? >> we -- i truly believe that we need to talk about race. we need to as a society talk about the unconscious biases that we all internalize as a result of 300 years of slavery, as a result of the injustices that exist whether they're

institutionalized, whether we're looking at the criminal in the jury box, in the classroom, in the street. we are not a post-racial society and it is all about being able to talk as a community about these biases that exist because we need to bring them to the conscious so we can have conversations where we destroy it. and that's part of what our film tries do. we're attacking stereotypes. >> we'll get back into the film in a moment. you put work and years into that. professor, i have to bring you in the conversation here w. the state of the union, bring up and play here what the president said in the state of the union just last month. >> yes. >> and i'm reaching out to some of america's leading foundations and corporations on a new initiative to help more young men of color facing especially tough odds to stay on track and reach their full potential. >> we'll get more details but it's going after education, to help young black men, men of

color, and also, stay out of jail. >> yes. >> a program like this before even we hear the details, is it significant that it rises to the presidential level and we're getting the presidential backing? is that key in turning around the stereotypes that exist? very important. we have to support and uplift the young black men and the men of all races. but we see some -- we see a lot of biases within the educational system and the criminal justice system and the practices in education mirror the criminal justice, over policing in schools and lots of random checks and security officers, suspensions, zero tolerance. all of these contribute to a lot of young black men not getting the type of opportunities that they need so i'm very excited that the president launched an initiative and pulling together a lot of foundations who have already done some great work on black achievement. >> you wrote a column, jameel

talking about this idea and kind of difficult. white fear matters more than black lives. what had to happen, in this case, somebody in the jury room, we don't know how many, thought it was more plausible that a gun that's never been seen or found, seen by anyone other than michael dunn, people on that jury thought it was more plausible that a 17-year-old black kid had this gun and that dunn feared for his life. >> i'm not sure if anyone on the jury thought it was more plausible that davis had a gun. the evidence is clear that he doesn't but i think that the good chance someone on the jury sympathize or empathize with dunn's fear and see them in the same place and see how dunn acted and i'm not sure how you stop that. i'm not sure what kind of policies or what have you will

help some white americans sympathize or empathize more with black americans in particular, young black teenagers. but i do know that as long as we have a media culture at the very least portraying african-americans as thugs, still portrays negative images of african-americans and no basis for it at all, then we will have this problem. >> again, back to the documenta documentary, michelle, want to bring you all back in here, the documentary taken over 13 years of your son and best friend's son attending a predominantly white school here in new york. let's talk watch it and watch it. >> if i was white i'd be better off. isn't that true? >> you're asking me? >> yes. >> what do you think? >> yes. at this school.

i'm not saying i want to but wouldn't that -- isn't that right? >> he's questioning it at that young age, wouldn't i be better off at this school, at this age if i was white. what did you all see in this experience and the challenges over a young man at that age, that early age, already seeing he's questioning is being a young black man the thing to be? >> well, you know, our son didn't question it at that early age but an earlier age, our son questions seeing the verdict come back, that question is a natural outgrowth of what we's experiencing on television. so, we have to be vigilant and have to have this discussion. but we have to bring other people involved this question. what we know about implicit bias is that unless it's being discussed actively, it takes hold. and the impact that we have through the discussion only

makes it go away for a short period of time so that discussion has to be a natural discussion and i think that's what the president is talking about. coming up with vehicles, public, private partnership where people can begin to drill down on these false stereotypes. >> doctor, let's get you back in here, professor, on the issue of one of those things, perception. people argue with you on the street if you tell them there's more black men in college than in prison. that's been a longstanding i guess we can call it a myth that's been debunked and one you went after and debunked. tell me a little bit about it and the relevance. it's statistic, a number, but even that is relevant to get out there. >> very relevant. i have to acknowledge that. i have used that in the past and my 2008 breaking barriers report. but since i wrote that report, you know, talking to young black men and talking to a lot of teachers who serve them, a lot

of those teachers don't look like them, that myth does something different to them than it does to the advocates using it to rile up people. the same statistics a lot of researchers like me putting out there and giving no context, they're putting it out there in this way that doesn't allow people to really understand the circumstances, it leaves the young black men vulnerable and this statistic specifically it is a false statistic. about 600,000 more black men in college than prison. i think i'm the first professor to have really come out on the record and debunk it. but a lot of the statistics that we use to try to get money for the cause are outdated and it really doesn't help us to serve the types of issue that is we really need to serve. i think that statistics like the more black men in prison than college leads to hyper

incarceration because a lot of schools, the teachers and people working with our kids hear that, they see it as something wrong with young black men, not something wrong with the criminal justice system. >> professor tolson, jamelle, doctor brewster and michelle stevenson, you made the point it's something we have to keep talking about no matter how uneasy it may be and some point we'll get somewhere. thank you for being here. important discussion on this day, certainly. i'll see you again. >> thank you. quarter of the top of the hour now and ignored no more. we have the man behind today's big idea. he is addressing an issue neglected by top retailers and affects millions. all comers. turbocharged engines against...engines. best in class rear legroom against other-class legroom. but then we realized. consumers already did that. twice.

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steve allen. >> all right. it all started back in 1954 as a late-night experiment and grew into must-see tv for generations. tomorrow night, jimmy fallon will step into some pretty big shoes when he takes over as host of "the tonight show." with us to talk about the evolution, sean mccarthy, editor of "the comic's comic." last time there was a transition, it didn't go so well. did they get it right this time? do they have the right guy? >> i think -- a lot of people are saying, oh, it's the same story, just different faces. i think they did get it right in two respects. one, jimmy fallon has tailored his show to the way we watch tv now, which is as much a part of what we talk about and what we watch on youtube the next morning as it is what we watch at 11:30 or 12:30 at night. >> is it a big deal it's coming back to new york? >> it's a big deal for sentimental reasons. this is where johnny carson and

steve allen were doing the show. so for sentimental reasons, it's a big deal. it's more significant because jimmy fallon and his crew, they aren't uprooting and moving across the country. they're staying with lorne michaels, who's the guru of all things late night at nbc. >> here's what jimmy say the fans can expect. he did a bit of a tour. want to make sure everybody sees interviews together. this is what jimmy says fans can expect. >> we're going to keep the pieces that work well, which is, you know, games with celebrities, singing with celebrities, dancing, getting the audience involved. we still have the roots. they're coming with us. the best band in the whole wide world. and we're just going to -- it's going to be a party. >> okay. we have it right. he's essentially -- is he just bringing his show to a different hour? >> just a different hour. >> and calling it something else? >> and it's the same studio he was in before. the advantage that jimmy fallon has over anybody else is that

he's tailored his show to not be a classic talk show. when i reviewed his early editions of "late night" back in 2009, i wrote that he was so much more comfortable outside of the desk, outside of the traditional talk show piece. he was doing sketches, when he was doing impersonations. he won a grammy award for doing an album of his impersonations. >> is he going to lose any of the audience, the jay leno audience? is he just bringing his folks with him and hoping to pick up more? will any of leno folks be turned off by this style of comedy? >> i think it doesn't really matter. >> doesn't matter? >> but to some extent, jimmy fallon is such a fun guy. people aren't tuning in to see him tell monologue jokes and be a jokester. people are tuning in because they want a fun show. like he said in that clip you just showed, he's interested in doing a party. >> does he have ratings

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hello, disrupters. i'm karen finney. in this hour, we'll look at the impact of yet another verdict involving an unarmed black teenage boy whose assailant isn't found guilty of murder. we'll also have the political headlines later in the show. >> we can't overlook the facts. young people are dying in the state of florida. >> the jury failed to reach a verdict in the murder charge of the man who shot a teen to death. >> the 12-member jury returned a verdict of guilty on four of five charges. >> but after four days of deliberation on that charge of first-degree murder, they couldn't reach a consensus. >> we intend to retry him. >> what did the defendant say? >> i hate that thug music. >> these are prosecutors who are afraid to talk about race in the courtroom. >> you know why he didn't duck? because he was getting out of the car with a weapon after telling