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guess what? volkswagen, they're not happy about all that. the carmaker said they might shy away from new u.s. car production because of this. the main culprit is this guy right here. senator bob corker, who is in new york today. i'm surprised he didn't stop by and say hello. corker for weeks has been intimidating workers telling them to vote no with all kinds of scare tactics. corker had the nerve to say he's not anti-union. >> many on the left have been very critical of you. they argued today you were out of line arguing against the union. >> i used to be a union worker. i'm anti uaw. >> a drink a lot of beer, but i
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just don't like the taste of it. come on. give me a break. senator corker is now the face of anti-union propaganda in this country with the way he injected himself into this vote last week. the senator even had no problem misleading workers about a conversation he had with volkswagen leading up to the vote. i had conversations and based on those, i'm assured should the workers vote against the uaw, volkswagen will announce in the coming weeks that it will manufacture its new mid size suv here in chattanooga. that sounds like an absolute to me. volkswagen officials said the outcome of the vote would have no bearing on where the suv would be produced. this was a blatant and highly unethical attempt to scare workers into voting no. earlier stay, senator corker addressed this wild claim.
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he said there were no guarantees from volkswagen. >> you said if the union is defeated, another line from volkswagen would come into this plant. is this true? >> we have strong indications and assurances that that is going to be the case. i would never made that comment if i hadn't had those assurances. tempers have to cool. >> can you say that's guaranteed today? >> i would have said it at the time. no, i've had assurances that that is the case. >> the senator from tennessee is now the master of word smithing. there's a big difference between guarantees and assurances. the fact is, senator, you still have not revealed your source from volkswagen. it turns out corker's
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intimidation tactics backfired. anti-union sentiment could stop the company from opening new plants in the southern portion of the united states. i'm sure alabama and georgia are saying, thanks a lot, senator. i can imagine fairly well that another volkswagen factory in the united states, provided that one more shouldnc still be set there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south region again. here's the bottom line. volkswagen would be more likely to produce new cars in the united states if the plant were unionized. volkswagen went on to say, the conservatives stirred up massive anti-union sentiments. it's possible that the conclusion will be drawn that this interference amounted to unfair labor practice. that's german terminology for really getting in the way.
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they're not used to this over there. here's the deal, folks. if culture of volkswagen is to work with unions. now they're going to be managing a plant where this is going to be a different environment. management doesn't want any problems. if anything comes to them, they just say work through the union. that's how they do business. today corker addressed these statements from volkswagen. >> what did you think of the comments out of berlin today saying they're going to fight any plans to expand auto plants in the south? >> there's a lot of tempers right now with the big vote. it was the right thing for our community and the right thing for the employees at vw. i think things are going to work out just fine. conversations are beginning. >> yeah, a lot of tempers are flying. now the senator from tennessee
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is saying, volkswagen has to get their demeanor in line on this deal. everybody has to settle down. no. this is no time to settle down. senator, you have injected yourself into a process that no one is used to seeing happen by a political official. senator corker may have given up thousands of jobs for his state and security for the future. the uaw isn't ruling out legal action against corker. here is what uaw president bob king told me on monday. >> i have never seen anything like this, and i think he was way out of the bounds. and i think the public in general feels he should have not been threatening workers, that they wouldn't get product unless they voted no. i think there are a number of legal options that we have the option of taking or not. we're reviewing all of that now,
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having internal discussions. >> the bottom line here, the republican anti-union propaganda campaign backfired big time in chattanooga. it is only one vote. volkswagen is shying away from u.s. auto production. his interference could cause a revote at the plant. of course the norb has no authority over senator corker and cannot control what he says. they can decide his comments taint the election and conceivably order a new election. i think the national labor relations board needs to get involved and order a new vote at the plant. that's only fair. there's no question that senator corker injected himself into the selection by making false and
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inflammatory statements before the vote. senator corker, for your own integrity and for the workers who did vote against the union, don't they deserve to know now that volkswagen has come out and said, i'm not sure another plant in the south, that you reveal your sources? if you folks can't get involved in this, go have a cocktail lunch and don't come back to the office. you're making the case we don't need the national labor relations board. we all know that's not the case. if they don't move forward on this after this elected official injected himself in the process, what is the national labor relations board good for? big question mark. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question -- do you think the national labor relations board should call for
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a revote in chattanooga? text a for yes. text b for no. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. if you let this go, doesn't this set the precedent for other antis in elected positions to inject themselves in future votes? you've got to stop it the first time it happens. the way the right wing works, it will happen again and again and again. mr. greenhouse, good to have you with us tonight. what action would the nlrb take? >> the united auto workers would have to file a complaint with the nlrb. we're waiting to see if they
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file a formal complaint. if a plant manager says, we'll only expand production if you vote against the union, that would be seen as illegal intimidation and improper inducement. here, you don't have somebody from the company. you have a politician. politicians can generally say whatever they want. it's not clear that the nlrb could say, senator corker, you acted illegally. you were the agent of anti-union officials. you acted illegally on behalf of the company. i think a more likely scenario, i'm not saying it is likely, the nlrb might conclude that corker's comments and watson and
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haslem, those the nlrb might conclude poison the atmosphere. the nlrb has thrown out unionization elections and did a new one because the atmosphere is too tainted. >> i've had officials tell me they've never seen anything like this before. let me ask you a professional reporter, have you ever seen or reported in the past on a sitting united states senator injected himself into a vote like this? >> i've been covering this beat for a long time. i've never seen a politician or lawmaker inject himself like corker did. his timing was brilliant.
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he caught the union somewhat flat footed and the union was somewhat slow to respond. >> the uaw told me he made a special trip back to tennessee. they had signed an agreement with volkswagen there wouldn't be any negative statements coming from either side. i think it is very clear for the table is set for the national labor relations board to inject themselves in this and throw this vote out and go through this process again. your thoughts. >> the union lost pretty narrowly by 86 votes. i interviewed one of the nation's leading experts at berkeley. he said corker's comments, haslem's comments, watson's
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comments could have flipped 100 or more votes. these comments so tainted the atmosphere, they might have improperly flipped the vote against the union. >> i don't know how they don't get a big review on this. great to have you with us tonight. i want to bring in the mayor of lansing, michigan. i want to play this sound byt from senator corker today on fox. listen to this. >> we support the workers council notion they're trying to implement. we had concerns about the uaw. we know about their track record. we know what's happened in communities where they've been located. they've been a job destroying entity for years. >> dennis williams, we called him for comment today. he is the secretary treasurer of the uaw. senator corker should be ashamed
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of himself. look at what they did for the plants in illinois. we would have not have had a new product in the illinois plant. working with the government and state officials and the community, we have saved thousands of jobs at the mi mitsubishi plant in illinois. >> corker is full of it. he's not anti-union. he's just anti-uaw. give me a break. they helped create the middle class. the corporations didn't simply turn around and give health benefits, doctor benefits, dental benefits, the 40-hour
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workweek. it didn't just happen. weekends off. the unions created the middle class and the uaw was leading the way. the uaw leads the way today in communities like lansing where we set the model for union and management working together. in germany, the manufacturers are all unionized. in japan, they're all unionized. you have labor and management working together for the benefit of the company. that's exactly what could have happened here. corker portrayed it as the opposite. the company is saying their next plant might be up north. we welcome volkswagen. don't tell me the uaw can't do great work. >> if the nlrb doesn't get
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involved here, what are they good for? >> you're right on. they need to draw a bright clear line on the sand and go after this guy. it was a big lie. it was calculated. it was despicable what he did. what country do we live in? in america, people have the right to choose who they associate with. this is america. even in tennessee, corker, it's a part of america and the workers have a right to choose. he tainted that election. it should be redone. it's time for the nlrb to stand up and do the job they were put there for. >> good to have you with us tonight. if senator corker is really for unions as he said in that interview on fox today, i'm sure the unions are going to be able
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to count on him for support when it comes to the employee free choice act. i doubt it. answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. coming up, we are following the breaking news on the xl pipeline. we'll bring you a major development out of nebraska. stay with us. first, conservatives twist the h ceo report on the minimum wage. we are right back. horsehide, bullet. right where it needs to be. coach calls it logistics. he's a great passer. dependable. a winning team has to have one. somebody you can count on. somebody like my dad. this is my dad. somebody like my mom. my grandfather. i'm very pround of him. her. them.
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you can get my radio site pod cast there. the social media nation, all kinds of excitement going on. here are today's top trenders voted on by you. >> what's up, doc? >> the number three trender, a bunny story. >> this is in japan and it is called rabbit island. >> what a cute little pink bunny rabbit? >> they're flocking this way. >> a tourist has a hare raising experience on japan's rabbit island. >> what do you want? do you want food? the number two trender, no foul. >> rabbit season, duck season. >> some thought it was a great idea launching little yellow ducks and having them race for charity until they found out it
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the white house. >> you have a net real income gain workers. the net result here is positive. >> it's beneficial to the economy and efficiency and productivity. >> 10.10, let's get that done. >> joining us tonight barbara boxer. the democrats use cbo numbers to make a case to the american people on a number of different fronts. this report does have mixed results. does the good outweigh the bad in this? 900,000 americans would have lifted out of poverty. but the number of people that would lose their job because of attrition or because businesses couldn't afford it would be a half million. your thoughts. >> there are a lot of other studies that say no to that. when people are earning a decent
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living, when they don't have to fear they can feed their families when they come home after working a full day, it does lift communities up. i think overall if we took the attitude that the republicans take, don't raise the minimum wage and we applied it when i was a kid and the minimum wage was a buck an hour it would still be a buck an hour. since then, we've created tens of millions of jobs. the cbo comes out with these reports. they did it with health care and that was really good news because people wouldn't be stuck in job lock. at the end of the day, we know from so many years and decades that raising the minimum wage is a win-win. >> is this going to slow the momentum in making the case to the american people?
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house republicans are going to go nuts on this. >> some of them don't think their ought to be a minimum wage. you have to take it to its simplest point. if you believe that raising the minimum wage would lose jobs, it never should have been raised from the time it was a buck in the 50s and the 60s. we have created about 80 million jobs since then. no, i don't see it this way. i think there's strong support. i think we see the states moving forward. everybody knows that you can't work full-time and be in poverty. it makes no sense. they'll make a fuss over it, but when you look through it, at the end of the day, it's going to be good. two-thirds of those on the minimum wage are women and two-thirds of tip workers are. can anyone argue that a tipped worker should be paid $2.13 an hour? i would love to have this
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debate. for every study the cbo has, we have other studies that show otherwise. >> the states that have raised the minimum wage have not had unemployment go in the wrong direction. they've seen a better economy. your state of california. at the end of the day, isn't it what the people want? do the people matter anymore? the majority of americans want this. >> it's not only what the people want, but it's a fundamental question that you have to ask yourself. should someone who works full time, sweat off the brow, come home at night, kiss their kids good night, and wonder if they'll have enough to feed them the next day, that's not the american dream. you can't look at this in a stagnant way because we'll invest in other areas. infrastructure, clean energy. we'll create many other new
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jobs. i think it's a losing argument. i take it back to the simple point that this attitude would mean we'd still have a minimum wage at a buck an hour. >> appreciate your time. breaking news on the xl pipeline. a ruling by a judge in nebraska could stop the pipeline from moving forward. and later a congressman of wisconsin will tell us why we need to say no to the tpp with some new information coming up. next, i'm taking your questions on ask ed live.
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pipelines in the state unconstitutional. the judge ruled that david hyneman exceeded his authority. only the nebraska public service commission has regulatory control of the routing of the pipeline. three nebraska land owners effected by the proposed route challenged the law. today the judge ruled in their favor. the ruling includes an injunction that prevents the governor from taking any further action to authorize or advance the pipeline. this chelearly is a big development for those who are opposed to the pipeline and environmental groups. i will visit with one of these land owners who testified on friday in nebraska. i'll have him coming up later next week. randy thompson is his name.
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we're looking forward to that trip into nebraska obviously. joining me now is danielle and project director for the national resources defense counsel, and sinfeld. great to have both of you with us. it is probably the most positive news that environmental groups have gotten since this pipeline project started. just a little history for our viewers, the federal government doesn't have to rule on this. this is a state's rights issue. all the statements had to permit the pipeline. nebraska was the last one. these three land owners came forward and said it was unconstitutional and the judge has ruled in their favor. what impact do you think this will have? >> this is a very big deal.
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this is big news. this is a win for clean water in nebraska. it makes us more optimistic that this pipeline will ultimately be rejected. >> danielle, can you take us through the xs and os on how the land owners got this ruling? >> we have had a number of nebraskans who have raising issues around the water issues. they've been concerned about tar sands posing risk to the water. they've been concerned about the route going through nebraska. they're been raising the question of whether it is going through the major aquifer. they contested the law that set the route and right now it looks to be the route is unconstitutional. >> what is the role of the federal government as you know it now? could there be a higher court
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that could come in and side with the multinationals and get this pipeline constructed? >> i think the primary role for the federal government continues to be the comment period in place with the state department where your viewers can submit comments to tell secretary kerry this is not in our national interests. in the past, epa has expressed concerns about climate change and wildlife. we believe that those processes will continue. we're optimistic at this end of the day secretary kerry and president obama, who have done so much to protect the planet, to fight climate change, will find that this project isn't in the national interest. >> there's probably going to be some arm twisting going on in mexico. the president is having a one day summit in mexico with that
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country's president but also prime minister harper from canada, who is a staunch conservative. who is very much in favor in getting this tar sands oil out of the ground and into the pipeline and making sure this pipeline is constructed. don't you find it rather interesting that the day that the president is going to be seeing mr. harper face to face that this ruling comes forward? >> the time is certainly interesting. it makes us even more optimistic. it is quite clear that canada is desperate and transcanada is desperate to get access to an international shipping port so they can send this dirty oil through the middle of our country and send it overseas to other countries like china. they've made clear what they want, but we appreciate president obama and secretary kerry have made clear there is a
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process in place. they'll get back to canada when the process is complete. >> how does the president get around this? he has his secretary of state being adamant in a speech. he's going to make some more public speeches about it. he has an inconclusive state department report where it's credibility is being questioned and now he has a legal ruling in nebraska. where does this put the president? >> the president is going to be looking at all of the information that's going to be collected. the state department report did acknowledge there could be significant climate impacts from the pipeline, but this ruling will be very significant because nebraska doesn't have a route anymore. until we know what the new route is and the impacts it would have on water and local communities, they're going to have to take a pause and take a look at what needs to happen and what information needs to be
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collected. we don't know where this pipeline is going to go. >> i think it gives the president tremendous cover. the president, he may be pushed for a decision on this, but he's going to be able to turn to harper today and say, i've got court issues in nebraska. is the president going to be heavy-handed where he could overrule it? maybe he could. that would really turn the environmental groups against the president and that's exactly what he doesn't need going into the midterms. the plot thickens. there's no question about it. how much will this really invigorate the environmental base? what will be the next stop? there's been a lot of conversation about the pressure here in this latter part of the public comment period. >> there's this interagency review. we won't see a decision until late may, but there's no
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deadline for the secretary to make the decision. there's an opportunity for other agencies to weigh in before president obama makes a final decision. whether this will be invigoratesiinvigorate invigorating for people who care about the climate, there's no question that a rejection of this pipeline would be tremendously exciting. it's not just for environmental groups. in nebraska, that was a case brought by land owners. we're seeing this issue unite people from all across the country. i think that's very exciting. >> activists can make a difference. these three landowners, they sto stuck up for their rights. it's going to be interesting to see the white house's reaction to this. great to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." i'll be in nebraska on friday
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welcome back. this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. when it comes to the trans pacific partnership. the u.s. trade representative working on this trade agreement, the white house, i think has not done a good job of explaining to the american people why they want this trade agreement. this week made the case at the center for american progress. >> the reality is this, trade
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done right is part of the solution, not part of the problem. through negotiations we're able to create new opportunities. and through enforcement actions we are able to stand up for our rights and fight for our people. >> lots of generic talk. there is almost 200 people in the congress who do not agree that there may be a conflict of interest here. he is a former managing director at citi group. when he left that company to take the federal government position he received over $4 million in exit payments which was in his contract if he ever took a federal job. this has some members of congress questioning whether he can stand up. congressman, what is your take on this? how do you feel about a trade negotiator at the table for the united states who used to work for a big citi group, it was in
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his contract that if he got a government job he was going to walk with $4 million in bonus money. what do you think? >> you know, it's another example where the big banks just don't get it, to do something like that, even if someone like mr. froman, it looks bad. it is not the right thing to do. one of the chapters is around financial regulations and certainly people are concerned when you see not only mr. froman but others involved in trading the big banks when they go into the federal workforce. it just looks bad. everyone should be smarter. >> i was taken by his argument. i want to play this clip. the key argument is that globalization is here and here to stay and we are going to deal with it. here it is. >> our trade policy has evolved substantially from what it was 20 years ago. many of the criticisms of it have not.
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some i hear of our agenda describe the policy in 1994, not 2014. these are criticisms of a trade policy this president has rejected. >> so i guess this isn't going to be another nafta deal. all i heard from lawmakers is this is nafta on steroids. we are accumissuming from talkid looking at language it has a lot of the same bad provisions that have cost american jobs. and i know that -- i think more of this is about how we compete with china and that region than anything else. when it gets to the particulars around environmental regulations, labor regulations, chapters, a lot of this is stuff we have seen before and it has been bad for jobs in america and really bad for the middle class. >> that speech was just generic
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bs. you got to get down -- what did you think? am i mischaracterizing it? >> well, i believe in trade. you believe in trade. we believe in fair trade, not this free trade that is in these past trade deals. so on the surface level he said a lot that didn't really say anything. the problem is, ed, the same meetings we are having as members of congress is kind of like that speech. i got to tell you, unless they crank up their game they know they are in trouble. when they treat us that we are not partners but adversaries -- i think they are treating us int that role, they are never going to get something through congress. i asked a question of environmental policy, i asked on the four areas. they said absolutely nonnegotiable from a u.s. perspective. that language has to be there. the more senior member asked right after me does that mean you won't bring a trade agreement?
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that was two different answers within less than a 60-second span to members of congress. i think they have to be more honest with the american public and members of congress if they want to get something done. >> how could the president go against his senate must just leader and his house democratic leader? they have staked out a claim that this is not good. >> and they have seen these deals in the past. so far what they have seen of this deal is it looks just like the bad deals of the past. when we are still bleeding manufacturing jobs we have to make sure that we are fighting for the middle class and those aspiring to be in the middle class and make sure everyone has an equal chance at opportunity. trade deals help the big corporations and multinational corporations but don't help real people. >> here is what mr. froman missed at the center for american progress, charts. tell me how good it is. this is where american workers were and where they are now.
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it is all wall street theory and bidding. congressman, good to have you with us from wisconsin. that's the ed show. politics nation with reverend al sharpton starts now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, breaking her silence. juror four in the michael dunn murder trial speaks out in an interview last night on abc's "night line". valerie takes us inside the jury room during more than 30 hours of deliberations that led to a hung jury on the first degree murder charge. in a confession she said she felt michael dunn got away with murder. >> do you think michael dunn got away with murder? >> at this point, i do, myself, personally, yes. >> when yout
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