this is a bit complicated. follow meer, here. the bergen record reports that david wildstein, the former port authority top official redacted states and entered kevin to toole's name from a text message to another former aide, bill maroney. the text came right after ba row knee testified in front of the assembly transportation committee that the lane closures were part of traffic study. the paper reports that the text said, "o'toole's statement ready." that's in reference to a statement to toole released attacking democrats and questioning the need for ft. lee's dedicated lanes to the george washington bridge. msnbc has reached out to senator to toole. we have not heard back just yet. he has also not responded to the newspaper's request for comment. meanwhile, the investigative panel is asking a judge to force two former christie aides to turn over documents about the lane closures. bridget kelly and bill stepien are refusing to comply and for

the fist time the port authority chair is apologizing to the public for those traffic jams. >> recently, there have been many comments and concerns about how the port authority operates. i can not allow this agency to be mischaracterized by the actions of a few individuals when the day-to-day work of so ma many, including this board, is so important. on behalf of the board of commissioner, we are deeply sorry for inconvenience caused to our travelers. >> michael isikoff is in d.c. for us this morning. mike, again, we are going to continue to keep an eye and ear on governor christie's town hall there, but there are a lot of moving parts to this story. what are the most significant developments right now? >> well, probably this legal action yesterday by the state legislative committee to compel bridget kelly, christie's former

deputy chief of staff, and bill stepien, the former campaign manager, to produce their e-mails and documents to the committee under subpoena. these are clearly two of the key witnesses in this case who hold many of the answers that people are looking for. they have invoked their fifth amendment privilege not to testify, but also not to turn over documents. and this is really going to be quite an interesting legal showdown because the committee is saying if we can't get these documents, we can't do our job. what the witness -- lawyers for those two witnesses are saying is that you cannot compel a witness to turn over documents if doing so would incriminate them, if identifying documents might tend to incriminate them. and oddly, this is going to rest on how the courts interpret a major supreme court ruling on this very issue involving webb

hubble, a former law partner of hillary clinton, who was convicted of tax evasion based on documents he turned over to ken starr. the supreme court later said that starr's requested subpoena for those documents was a fishing expedition and producing those documents by hubble incriminated him. and so how the courts interpret that hubble case is going to determine what stepien and bridget kelly are compelled to do. this could end up in the supreme court itself. >> does it appear likely they are going to be found in contempt? >> i think they could well be found in contempt by the new jersey courts but inevitably their lawyers will appeal to the federal courts. that's why i said, because it's a constitutional issue, what is the scope of fifth amendment privilege and does it apply to documents under what

circumstances? and it's -- this is one where lawyers are going to be on all sides, and like i said, this could end up in the supreme court. >> all right. michael isikoff for us in d.c. thanks as always. appreciate that. again, as we continue waiting for new jersey's governor -- i think that's someone cleaning off the lens for us there. this town hall, by the way, this is a town hall that's related to sandy funds, the disbursement of those sandy funds. as you can see there an absolutely packed house. i'm joined by bob ingal for gannett's new jersey newspapers. bob, you cover jersey and have covered jersey olympics for some time now. it sounds like with regards tho this town hall meeting they've got this thing pretty well locked down. i understand that folks who are going to ask questions or prescreen to a certain extent additional questions are going to be fielded by his administration's mobile cabinet after the town hall is over.

is this standard operating procedure for this kind of town hall for the governor, or is this the result of the scandal? >> it is standard procedure that they pretty much control the questions and the people who are there. this area, you should know, is a very big pro-christie area. they chose it for that reason. >> this is also where he had his last town hall, correct? >> i don't know. this one was canceled because of the snow and he had to set it up again. but christie is trying to get back to -- back on the rails of -- he was i think justifiably given credit for doing a terrific job with sandy. but there has been a poll from the monmouth university that said basically 64% of the people who applied for sandy aid are not happy. >> that's going to be of course one of the questions i'm sure, one of the questions he gets. not going to be taking questions from the media. >> he han done that in two months. >> as we talk here again, governor cristy just making his

way inside that town hall there. which governor christie do you think that we will see today? will we see the christie that, you know, uses meetings like this to tussle with questioners or are we going to see a more subdued chris christie? >> i think you'll see a more subdued christie because he's starting to worry about his national image and what bridgegate has done to it. i think he's going to be the concerned, caring governor who wants to make sure that everyone ho who's hurt by sandy is made whole again. >> michael, i want to come to you in just a moment, but let's listen in for just a few moments here as governor christie begins his remarks. >> so to avoid all that garbage, we started last june just not doing any more town hall meetings from june through the end of the year. so i'm glad to get back out here and to start doing these again. this is our 110th town hall meeting as governor. and i've always thought and continued to think it's a really important part of me being able

to do this job. you know, you hear a lot of different things as you travel around the state or as i spend time in trenton about what's going on inside the state, whether it's regarding sandy recovery or whether it's regarding any other, you know, issues that come up across the state for folks. but, you know, i've always found that the way for me to stay as close as i can to what's really on people's minds is to come out here and do these meetings. and it's been incredibly helpful to me over time. what they've really evolved into over the course of time has been an opportunity for people to bring their problems and their issues directly to me. so i can then have the government do what it needs to do to be able to fix those problems. that's why today i have a whole bunch of my cabinet here with us. we're going to do something we've done through a good part of the first term as well, we call mobile cabinet, gong go into different towns and bring the cabinet members and some of their staff members to be able

to answer your questions directly after it's over, after the town hall meeting is over in even greater detail than i can answer those questions for you myself. so we have a bunch of people here, we have the head of the governor's office of recovery and rebuilding connected to sandy. we have bob martin, commissioner of the department of environmental protection, ken, the commissioner of banking and insuran insurance, jennifer valez, commissioner of human services, michelle brown, the ceo of the economic development authority dealing with business recovery. so all those folks and more importantly members of their staff are here as you can see kind of circled around the back of the room. those folks are all here and i thank them for doing all the hard work they do. they're staying after i leave today to answer some of your specific questions that either i can't answer because i don't know the answer or because you have a specific problem as to you that you need an answer to and they can have the information to get it to you. so we're going to continue to do

those things as we move forward as well. but the town hall meetings are less about -- >> all right. governor chris christie there at that town hall, monmouth, about a mile away from the jersey shore, will be talking about the sandy relief efforts there. we're going to continue to listen and watch if something newsworthy is said or happens. we will of course bring that to you. michael, i want to bring you in here quickly. here's the thing. governor christie, of course, michael, headed to the national governor's association meeting this weekend, spent time in florida and illinois in the past few days, raising money for the rga. last month alone i think he brought something like $6 million. is this a story that's resonating with folks like us and it's not really affecting his fund-raising prowess at all? >> the polls don't suggest that it's resonating only with us. the polls suggest he's lost a lot of public trust even among republicans. as for this fund-raising numbers, those were high, there's no question about it.

but i would guess that a lot of those fund-raising commitments were made before this really became a scandal. after it was known that he was going to head the rga but before this really became a scandal. so i'd love to see if he keeps raising money at that level. but this is a really -- you know, this is a process -- he's been so damaged in washington. the republican insiders were ready to really put their full weight behind this guy and ready to line up endorsements for him and money for him and so on and so forth. and that's just in deep freeze now. >> mike and bob, a big thanks to both of you. appreciate your time. we are also following some breaking news right now in iowa. emergency officials there are asking residents in the tiny town of northwood, asking folk who is live in northwood, iowa, to evacuate immediately because of a fire at the northwood municipal airport. the worth county sheriff's

office says a building with chemicals including sulfuric acid, build rgs on fire there. again, residents are being asked to head to a community center about six miles away. so far no injuries have been reported. we have our eye on what's happening here in this iowa town. we will of course bring you updates as they become available. back now to the other breaking news we follow at msnbc, in the ukraine, in the ukraine, government now blaming protesters for breaking a truce and attacking police officers this morning, leading to deaths of more than 20 people today, just today. with some estimates actually being much higher. we're going to get an update on what's happening in kiev next. first, though -- that's russian activist band pussy riot's new music video performing in sochi, it shows them being beaten by what they say are police officers with whips.

that story next. meanwhile back here, president obama's agenda, just back from that short trip to mexico to talk trade. but mexico's president wanted answers on immigration. we'll take that to the agenda panel. hey guys! sorry we're late.

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in ukraine, deadly violence killed a fragile truce. more than 60 people have been killed today alone. according to prosters, as violent crashes intensify in the ukrainian capital, ending that short truce between the government and opposition leaders. russia has just announced it is sending an envoy to its neighboring country to try and mediate negotiations between both sides now. all of this as it continues to unfold here, a live look at kiev's independent square. both sides are blaming each

other for breaking that truce and accusing each other of using snipers. field hospitals have been set up in nearby hotels. richard engel was inside one of those hotel lobbies where multiple protesters died. >> the injured are still streaming in. we've seen volunteers using bed sheets to try and treat the wounds. some of the injuries at least appear to have come from live ammunition. >> meanwhile, government officials say at least 50 people have been injured today, and among the fatalities that we mentioned, three are believed to be police officers. meanwhile, the obama administration has announced its first directive in response to the protests. these are sanctions against 20 ukrainian officials. ayman mohyeldin has been watching all of this unfold and joins me live from london. the e.u. holding an emergency meeting today where they could impose sanctions against ukraine. what kind of sanctions are we

talking about here? what kind of sanctions could they impose? >> well, the european official that addressed this issue used the word "targeted sanctions" very specifically. in that sense, they would try to go after individuals within the ukrainian government who they believe wrp responsible for ordering the killings of the protesters or perhaps not ordering the killings but ordering the use of violence that led to the killing or use of force. that may include everything from the minister of interior to the head of police, perhaps to some local government officials, perhaps all the way up to the chain of command through the president. so it remains to be seen, as we saw yesterday from the announcement from the u.s. state department, 20 such individuals have been identified. their names have not been released. right now that travel ban has been imposed on what the u.s. described as the full chain of command for those responsible for the violence. >> what are both sides saying about the fighting today? what are they also saying about that very short-lived truce? >> well, right now it's a blame game and what you're hearing

from both sides is accusations that it's the other side responsible for dragging the country into violence. the opposition, the ukrainian opposition is saying that it's the bloodthirsty gangs of the yanukovych presidency that is trying to destroy their country to stay in power, they use language like mafia and others to describe the president's grip on power. but at the same time the president is also and his supporters are also describing the opposition as gangs and terrorists, trying to take the country down in bloodshed and civil war. >> ayman mohyeldin, thank you. ukraine's crisis is yet another issue adding strains to an already tense relationship between the united states and russia. the fighting in kiev stems from a decades-long battle over the identity of the former soviet republic with opposition leaders pushing for closer ties with the e.u. and the west against a government that appears to favor closer ties to russia. general wesley clark is a former nato commander in europe. general, let's start with what this is really about.

i tried to give folks at home sort of a very brief understanding. what more is it -- what are we missing here? >> ukraine is the pivot point for the future of europe. so if ukraine can be pulled back into russia's orbit tightly, knitted together with a customs union, exchange of armed forces, and all of this, then vladimir putin gets to re-create the soviet union step by step. if ukraine is pulled to the west, there's no more soviet union and europe, including russia, will eventually move toward democracy, freedom, and the kind of mixed market economy that we believe is the right way to go. >> you were in that part of the world very recently, last week, i understand. what do they say? >> the actions in ukraine are casting a long shadow because people in eastern europe know and understand how russia operates. they operate through provocateurs, through

intimidation. this was a loan to own program, this $15 billion that was supposedly to be loaned to the ukraine. it was a loan so it wouldn't be paid back and russia would then take its assets and tighten its grip. the people in eastern europe see the violence as probably provoked by soviet intelligence, maybe with ukrainian help, with individual agents coming in, sparking the violence, shooting from the crowd at police officers. you don't know who these people are. and then the charges and countercharges are an effort to blur what's really happening there. what's really happening is popular opinion in the majority of ukraine with the majority of people favors going to the west. those on the east favor staying with russia. and this is something that needs to be resolved through democratic processes in ukraine, not intimidation. >> it sound like a cold war struggle. >> it's a re-ignited cold war.

this has never been put aside by putin. in 1999 when putin came just about to be the new president of russia and he came to ukraine and he was at the inauguration of the ukrainian president and said russia and ukraine are more than brothers, we are in each other's souls, people in eastern europe said this is really troubling. he's going to try to get ukraine. this is a 15-year plan. and he's at the payoff point. >> this is what president obama said about it yesterday. this is him warming ukrainians, victoriktor yanukovych, not to out the military. >> we'll be monitoring very carefully the situation, recognizing that along with our european partners and the international community, there will be consequences if people step over the line, and that includes making sure that the ukrainian military does not step in to what should be a set of issues that can be resolved by civilians.

>> stepping over the line, general clark. what does he mean? >> he's trying to prevent the use of the organs of a repression, the interior police and the military from going after these demonstrators. he wants to let the demonstrations be peaceful. and so that's the line. but it's pretty easy for yanukovych to declare a state of emergency. he has -- he could do that, when he does it, he could order the military out. his problem is the military may not be totally loyal and it would fracture the military because it doesn't want to shoot its own people. these are their brothers and sisters in the street. they know it. this very thing happened in moscow over 20 years ago and the russian military was not willing, the soldiers were not willing to shoot at demonstrators. it really was the end of the soviet union. and here it's being replayed again in kiev. so the president's exactly

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absolutely electric. ted ligety put down an amazing first run in the giant slalom yesterday, and then he was more cautious on his second run, but it didn't matter because he had built up such a huge lead. and the giant slalom is ted ligety's signature event. it is the event where he really carves the snow like an artist. and he did so yesterday. and ted ligety is a really kind of calm, laidback guy. as i say, he's always working at about 98.6. you know, he never gets real overly excited or really overly down. and yesterday when he came off the hill and i got a chance to speak to him, he's, like, that's awesome ap pnld it does mean a lot to team usa because quite frankly i think the americans' results in alpine skiing have been pretty disappointing so far. andrew weibrecht got a silver and bode miller got a bronze earlier this -- in this

olympiad, and julian mancuso got a bronze, but this is the first gold and it's a big boost of confidence to team usa. >> let's talk quickly about lauryn williams, teamed with elana meyers to win that silver in the two-man bobsled. she's won a medal in the winter and summer games. how historic is this? >> reporter: she is the fifth olympian to medal in both the summer and winter games. she has a gold and a silver because she's a sprinter and now a sfrifr the winter games. and this morning on the "today" show she hank thanked all her supporters. >> i never thought that i would accomplish all of this, and i couldn't have done it, you know, without four hometowns and all of america behind me. it's definitely taken me a village to realize these goals and aspirations in such a short period of time. >> reporter: and there was another track and field athlete on sled three, lolo jones. she was a hurdler in the summer games. she says she's now started the process of losing weight because she's going to return to track and field. >> great news.

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kim is national reporter with msnbc.com. always good to see all of you. let's start with these tensions on trade immigration and the keystone pipeline, clearly on display. wasn't until the end of the day that the president said of immigration legislation, quote, it remains one of my highest priorities, that's what president obama said. corey, why did the president park there? >> and he only did it when he was prompted when he was talking to sort of in the public section of the gathering. you know, it's the same thing that he did basically during the state of the union address where he only basically sort of grazed over it. he doesn't want to do anything to push the issue of immigration reform too much because he antagonizes is republicans. john boehner has already done the pump fake on immigration in deciding to take it off the table for now. and that's because the conservative base does not want immigration, and so they're not going to touch it until we get

through the midterm elections. and obama doesn't want to do anything to antagonize the conservative base so that that can be used to get the conservative base further exercised and get them out to vote. >> susie, canadian prime minister steven harper has called keystone a, quote, no-brainer. let's listen to the president and his canadian counterpart talk about that yesterday. heres the. >> there is a process that has been gone through, and i know it's been extensive and at times i'm sure steven feels a little too laborious. i said previously that how keystone impacted green house gas emissions would affect our decision. >> in terms of climate change, i think our state department was already pretty definitive on that particular issue. >> pretty interesting to watch play out there, susie kim. what does that mean for the project going forward? what if anything does it mean for our relationship with canada?

>> i think basically obama is and the obama administration has been drags its heels. there was this sort of study that was released, everyone sort of expecting the obama white house to make a decision, and they didn't. they said we're examining this. i think you can't ignore the fact that the midterms are around the corner, that there are those politically contentious issues. and the same thing is true with this trade partnership, which obama very, very watch wants and puts them at odds with democrats in his own party. i think everyone kind of knew coming into that summit to begin with that this was what obama was facing, not only opposition from republicans on immigration and the fact that that constrains him but from democrats who don't want more free trade deals, who are very concerned about the pipeline and its impacts, who are also up against their own president. so basically obama came in with his hands tied. >> vicky, i want to talk about minimum wage, of course the big announcement yesterday that gap is going to raise its minimum wage next year to $10, going to

be interesting to see if other retailers follow suit. what's the link between the conversation about the minimum wage in this country and jobs in this country, what's the link between that and concerns about expanding u.s. trade agreements? >> well, there's a very strong link there, because the argument on the republican side, on the more conservative side, is, hey, if we're going to raise the minimum wage it's going to put a crunch on employers and that's going to mean they're just going to turn away. they're going to go to mexico, to asia, going to go overseas. so that's why they're cautioning if you raise the minimum wage we're going to lose american jobs. so that's the argument point that you're going to see, and that's why you see a number of democrats a little nervous about trade greemts such as nafta and especially the labor component of the democratic party. it's a tenuous link we see between minimum wage and nafta. people aren't all together happy with it. >> the agenda panel on a thursday morning for us, a big thanks to all of you. today's producer pick brought to

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we continue to follow breaking news in iowa right now. at least two people have been taken to the hospital so far because of a chemical fire at an airport in northwood. northwood, iowa, a tiny town we're told of about 5,000 people. the entire town has been evacuated. emergency officials have asked residents to leave because the fire is in a building with chemicals including sulfuric acid. the hospital being told to prepare for more patients. meanwhile, the general manager of a hotel near northwood says that many of the evacuees apparently are coming to her hotel. they've booked more than 50 rooms already. we continue to watch this story very closely in iowa. again, the top of the hour we told you about this town being evacuated. now we can tell you that two people so far, two people have been take on the hospital with injuries. the hospital being told to expect more patients as well.

we've got our eyes on what's happening in iowa right now. we turn back to politics and south carolina specifically. sup potters in south carolina are gearing up tonight for a hillary clinton fund-raiser. it's part of the ready for hillary effort that's been under way depth of the former secretary of state. south carolina isn't just the first in the south primary. it is also where many presidential campaigns are made or broken. it's where hillary clinton lost to then senator obama by a 2-1 margin in 2008. hillary clinton's husband was widely criticized for describing the obama campaign as a fairy tale. president clinton reminded everyone that jesse jackson won south carolina in 1988. many took that as somewhat dismissive of mr. obama's effort there. so what would south carolina mean to a clinton primary strategy? with us to make a little more out of this, matt moore, south carolina republican party chairman, and sitting right next to him there, quite cozy, south

carolina democratic party chairman jamie harrison. we like to see this. we should see more of that. jamie, let me start with you, sir. hillary clinton, she hasn't even said she's in. she says she's not even going to consider a run until next year. why host an event like this now? >> well, listen, i think the ready for hillary group is going all over the nation, craig. basically having these types of events, getting activists excited about the possibility that hillary clinton may run for president. but she's just one of many democrats that i think are actually considering this right now. >> one of many. is she one of many or one of maybe two? maybe three? >> listen, craig, joe biden has considered, i've heard howard dean may be thinking about it. we have martin o'malley, a

number of women senators who are also thinking about it. if secretary clinton decides not to. so there are a lot of people thinking about it. we just might not have them come to south carolina at the moment. >> matt, what would a hillary clinton campaign look like in south carolina? what would her chances be in the state? >> well, jamie's doing his best to down play expectations obviously at this point, but, you know, the real question e is if hillary clinton is the front-runner for the democrats this the process of being coordinated, why hasn't there been an outpouring of support from the democratic establishment in south carolina? why just last week was congressman jim clyburn taking shots at secretary clinton and former president clinton and talking about the hard-fought campaign in 2008 and the damage that president clinton did to hillary clinton's campaign? look, i'm not sure if hillary clinton's chances here in south carolina. i do know she is the most cold and calculating politician

probably of our lifetimes. >> that's a pretty bold statement, matt, the coldest and most calculating? >> well, the most calculating, craig, is actually the governor of south carolina, nikki haley, who has spent most of her time outside of the state raising money, thinking about outside politics rather than leading this state. >> you know -- >> we could have an a whole hour talking about that. >> we'll save that for another hour. she has been in the news a fair amount. senator lindsey graham, south carolina senior senator, facing a number of primary challengers, underfunded, in that state. and hillary clinton has become somewhat of an attack line. take a listen. >> conservative republicans love hillary clinton. right? just ask lindsey graham. >> she's dedicated to her job. she loves her country. i think she is a good role model, one of the most effective

secretary of states, greatest ambassadors for the american people that i've known in my lifetime. >> one of the graham ads there you just saw. what's the strategy here, matt? take me inside the strategy. what's the thinking of trying to connect lindsey graham to hillary clinton? >> well, look, senator graham is a strong candidate. you mentioned the war chest, his two terms in the u.s. senate. there's know doubt that candidates are trying their best to get traction nap's all this is. look, i'm the party chairman. i can't endorse in this race. try to keep one on the same page until the general election. but, you know, primary, and we look forward to a spirited one here in south carolina. >> jamie, why would that even be a strategy? while it that you can't even say something nice about someone in politics if they're on the other side of the aisle without

someone spending some money running an attack ad? >> i know. it's the nature of politics these days. i'll tell you what, craig, i really like this guy right next to me even though we dils agree on. policy and politics. he's a good guy. but what you see here in politics is senator graham knows exactly what most americans know, and that is secretary chinton was a very good, very effective secretary of state. and the reason why the republicans are throwing their bombs right now, they understand that if she's a candidate for president, it's going to be very hard to beat her. so their little running scared right now, and they should be. >> that by the way thashg ad we just played, that was from bill conner, who is one of the five folks running against lindsey graham. quickly, matt, there was a time not too long ago when republicans were praising both of the cliptons. in fact, dick cheney in 2011 said, quote, she, meaning

hillary, she might have been easier for some of us who were ritices of the president to with. i have the sense she's one of the more competent members of the current administration. wisconsin governor scott walker in 2012, former president clinton, he's been hanging around with a number of people in the private sector, people who actually put people to work. senator john mccain saying hillary clinton did a fine job as secretary of state even calling her a rock star. how were those sentiments going to play out in the coming months and years? how are folks going to be able to distance themselves from those compliments? >> craig, i can it will you 99% of south carolina republicans would have a big problem with the clinton circus back in the white house. and beyond just the personal politics of it all, she is the literal mother of obamacare, supported a single-payer system throughout her time in public life. the consummate politician who will say and do anything to get elected saying i think 99% of south carolinians will be stongly opposed to hillary

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well, we all know that going to a doctor's office is not usually furnishings especially for children. but one type of therapy is taking flight. at least somehow literally, actually. psychologists using superhero, superman, batman, wonderwoman. and they're using them to treat patients. lawrence reuben is a psychologist and author of a book using superheroes in counseling. dr. ruben, good to see you, sir. how does it work? >> what it is good psychotherapy with an interest in popular character. it draws on the interest of the child, as well as the back

stories of the superhere rows to tie into the child's life and give them a meaningful way to work through their fears. >> give me an example of how a superhero might be used? >> well, i sand my caldry to extend to superheroes. we created another accept supposed "star wars" series, actually episode number 7 through which he was able to express and work through some of the real painful issues surrounding his adoption and entry into a new area of his life. >> this line of thinking, as i understand it, at least is not really new. the first article on it was published in 1941, three years after superman first appeared on the scene. why does there seem to be a

recent rise in this type of therapy? >> well, superheroes have been around for, you know, almost a century. i think more people who have grown up on the nutrients of superheroes have found numerous ways to incorporate them into their work. they're giving them the ability to move away from tradition models and to bring some popular culture. it's the lingo of teenagers and children. >> every type of therapy has its drawbacks. one that comes to mind is how violent some of these superhero movies at least have become. how do you deal with the violent story lines? >> well, it's important that therapists keep track of the child's use of aggression outside of therapy. try to incorporate meaningful skills into the skills of the therapy, even in a character such as the hulk. even the hulk and the thing have

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rock and i'm richard lui. it's also high noon for chris christie in the garden state. here's a live look for you at the embattled governor of new jersey. one hour to a town hall taking questions on constituents. we will bring you some of a notable moment so far. and update you into the investigation into those george washington bridge lane closures. plus, here another live look, this time from ukraine where it's been a deadly day so far for them. 7:00 p.m. thursday night you're looking at there. police clashing there with citizens and of course, pretty cat implications for the united states and the rest of the world. but we begin with chris christ christie, just one hour ago stepping on a stage in new jersey where he continues to answer questions. it's since the bridge scandal

broke, twice canceled by winter weather. up until now, questions have stayed on task and off scandal. but, of course, that could have something to do with the warning christie issued at the outset of this. he called it his rule number four. >> i want to remind all of you of something. with the possible exception of some of the media who is here to cover this today, all of us are from new jersey. and so you know what that means, what that means is, if you get it, you are getting it right back. >> well, the event falls on a week when the bridgegate story took three separate turns in 24 hours. first off, 2,000 pages of documents released that raised more questions about who knew what. also former christie aides refusing once again here to turn over materials to the investigative panel. and we saw a top port authority official apologizing to