cruz claimed he's following the lead of president ronald reagan by painting in bold colors not pastels. whatever color it is, you seem to be painting yourself into a very small corner. that is all for now. i'll see you back here monday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. >> a controversial plan to market fracking in state parks is coming under new scrutiny. >> people start pollution. people can stop it. >> the top adviser called a meeting to sell ohioans on

fracking. >> we don't want to become so extreme we drive it away. >> i have this terrible feeling it's deja vu. >> the governor's office said they knew nothing about the plan. >> all i know is i don't know. another day and another rise star, the gop finds himself under pressure to answer for controversial documents made public. there was the four-day winter meeting of the national governors association. in other words, the meeting usually stirs up some presidential politics. it's where governors tell their stories and maybe test the waters. governor chris christie enjoyed his trip as fellow republicans talked him up for a future presidential run.

now his record is the last thing he wants to talk about. scott walker was elected governor of wisconsin. he beat off a recall election in 2012. he battled unions. he is a dark horse 2016 candidate, but today he looks like he might be hitting turbulence. >> the communications released on wednesday involve an employee from the county from several years ago and a process that ended last march, a process where democratic district attorney from milwaukee county -- we initiated the investigation several years ago because of concerns about a veterans organization that was involved with what's called operation freedom and out of that, there were a series of charges with a number of different individuals. >> all right. who is next in line from the pool of republican governors? many are now looking to governor

john casek. you've got to see this. kasich is the top governor . he only trails paul ryan. >> senior a >> that contradicts earlier statements from the governor's office. >> it lists odnr allies as various business groups. >> republican governors just can't seem to get a break. here's part of why. unlike their less productive counterparts in congress, some

of these governors have tangible records. records that are coming under intense scrutiny as we get close to midterms. john will have to answer for a record that some are calling fracking. here's what you need to know. in 2011, he signed a law that would open up state parks for drilling and fracking. ohio maybe conservative. it turns out voters didn't want their public land spoiled. it didn't help at the time john had received 200 grand in contributions from the oil and gas industry. you can say, that was a pr hurdle. the ten-page memo released on friday reveals a wide ranging 2012 pr campaign. it was developed by john's appointees at the ohio department of natural resources. it was all coordinated with the

governor's office. it identifies ways they can sell ohioans on the drilling. the majority of voters disagreed with that industry plan. even if you do support drilling and some people do, these documents reveal a much bigger problem. a regulatory agency planning a pr campaign with the very groups they're supposed to regular. last like a cop helping you hide the evidence. these documents reveal the department saying, quote, this initiative can be expected to blur public perception of the oil and gas. one of the groups was

halliburtin. the governor's office initially denied knowledge of the pro fracking markets plan. the release of these e-mails that we've been telling you about, forced by the sierra club, that's forced the governor's office to walk back its initial denial. it's a long walk back. some people would call there a type of progress. quote, at this point, the governor doesn't support fracking in state parks. we reserve the right to revisit that, but it's not what he wants to do right now and that's been his position for the past year and a half. he can revisit it all he wants. folks, get your cell phones out.

i want to know what you think. tonight's question, do you think governor knew details about the fracking list? text a for yes. text b for no. now we go to kate shepard. let's start with the basics. quantify for us why people in ohio were worried about this kind of drilling. what would it do? >> there are a number of concerns that have been raised by hydraulic fracking around the country. people are concerned about the effects of water quality and the chemicals that are used in the fracking process and ground water. they're concerned about air quality issues. there are a number of concerns that people have about having these things in their communities and in their national parks.

>> how is it playing out here at the governor's conference in washington where you are? >> well, you know, fracking is an issue that is -- it's being considered in a lot of states around the country right now. it's not just an issue in ohio. it's been on the radar in pennsylvania, colorado, new york state. a number of governors are grappling with how to deal with fracking in their state and how they're going to regulate it. >> they're not just grappling with the environmentalists. these go to how the governors run their government. running the government is their state trial. here these documents suggest whether or not you agree with the policy, nobody is suggesting that the environmental regulatory body of the state should be in cahoots with halliburton, right?

>> this is the agency that's supposed to regulate oil and gas drilling and they're making plans to promote it. secondly, i think that even in places and among people who really support gas development, they want to make sure there are regulations in place that will protect them. no one wants unregulated drilling to happen out there. >> this is a regulated industry. instead of going to the hill to interview members of congress and their staff, you went and worked on their press releases. i don't care what your ideology is. this is weird. thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me. we're going to turn to some lawmakers in the state of this battle. both were named as opponents in that memo. we knew this plan was unpopular. what do you think the

disclosures reveal for your constituents? >> it reveals we have to question the judgment of the administration in thinking that it's okay to hatch a plan like this. we need to know if the governor's fingerprints are truly on this and in what way because the integrity of the office is really at question here. >> all right. and when you say the integrity of the office, unpack that for me. >> as you've mentioned, if we have the regulators sitting in the room thinking about how to frame the communication plan for the regulatee, that's

unconscionable. >> we're seeing an administration under the gun that's making promises about jobs and not creating them. making promises that they're going to make and turn the state around through fracking but are not exactly creating the jobs for people particularly in my district. the governor decides that those are standing in the way of doing what we think is protecting our water, protecting our environment. all he can do is implement a plan that basically flies in the face of what we should be doing as a state and that's regulation. let me tell you something because it's important. if he was looking for a lap dog, he looked in the wrong direction. we're watchdogs. we want to make sure we do everything we possibly can to make sure there was no drilling

in the park. 24 hours after representative antonio and did what we thought was write, sent a letter to the speaker of the house asking for an investigation, he flip-flopped on that and said he's not going to drill in the parks. >> they claim they had no knowledge. i don't know what specific pieces of paper different people saw a year and a half ago, but the administration is going to plan ahead on a important issue like gas production on state land. >> we need to know what he knew, when he knew it, and also to come out now and say, well, that's not relevant to this discussion, but i've decided not

to do any fracking from the parks, the timing is questionable. >> do you believe he genuinely changed his mind here or it's something else? >> it leads us to question if it is something else. and that's why we have asked for hearings and a full investigation to get to the bottom of this, because i think it is important for the people of ohio to know that. >> i can understand that. the other question people are asking, is this viewed in your view as an exception as to how he usually governs? >> he's part of the bully group. he's been doing this for a long time. >> when you say the bully group, who are you referring to? >> christie. i'm talking about the republican

governors that think they can operate behind closed doors in secret, get plans to try to discredit people who are trying to do their best to represent their district. christie did it with the bridge and now we have fracking in ohio and this governor's doing it. i've watched him do it. it's amazing too. they've denied it's actually happening in the same day we come out with our letter. his spokesperson goes after me immediately again to just prove our point. they're trying to intimidate us and representative antonio and i are not people you should be messing and try to intimidate. we stand strong for our people. we're not going to let him bully us. he's been playing games with the gas and oil industry. he's doing everything he can to write laws and regulations to favor the gas and oil industry.

a couple people speak up and try to go after him and he comes after us. >> i want to drill down on that, so to speak, and ask you here when you think about the why -- this has become a national story because it didn't add up. one you just eluded to,which is whether there is some sort of fundamental disrespect for government, for how it works, for its fairness before the law, how it should operate if you can't change the law, that wasn't really as we understand it allowed and publicized. it was done secretly. and woi wonder if you could spe to that specifically. >> then we'll go back to you.

representative hagan. >> i think it is important to remember that these are opportunities for the governor and his staff and his administration to get in the way of the regulations, to play games with those of us who care a lot about the environment and to say that we're really doing everything we can. the ohio department of natural resources is not protecting our natural resources. in other states, it might be the mining or something else in pennsylvania, but we are not doing that. what we have found in bill after bill, the bills i have offered to put moratoriums on fracking, 60% from west virginia and pennsylvania injected into ohio wells, some with radiation, we're constantly ignored.

our hearings are cut short and they go after us. >> an argument from a lot of republicans is not always that we shouldn't do certain things like protect the environment, but that we should do them on the state and not the federal level. this isn't just about whether the epa nationally should do something versus the ohio resources group we've been talking about. when you devolve it to the state level and they're not doing the job either. >> it's important to be at the state level, but to have integrity of office and the department to really protect the public trust. so i think the state has to work in collaboration with the federal, but you have to have on the ground at the state level those regulations in place. and it really is important that the administration responsible has to be the one that's standing up for the public

trust. >> yeah, that makes sense. thank you both for your time. we're going to turn to telling you to remember to answer tonight's question. you can share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. coming up, a former female presidential candidate hopeful. the rapid response panel weighs in on michelle bachman's latest dig on hillary clinton. the texas governor has been making the media rounds. trenders is up next on that. where in the world is ed shultz? >> this is ed shultz coming to you from the north country. today i'm headed to nebraska. we're talking to land owners and

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welcome back. it's time now for the trenders. you keep the comments on the ed social media pages. you can check me out at facebook.com/arimelber. the social media nation has decided and we're reporting today's top trenders. these are voted on by you.

>> party. the number three trender, girl talk. the first lady joining jimmy on "the tonight show." >> i want to see people around the country are moving and changing the standards of health for our kids. the president and maybe the vice president will show us how they move. i got a little pull. hook me up. and the number two trender, love actually. >> what is love? >> it's hard to limit the definition of love to two people. >> same-sex marriage redefines love. >> it perverts the word love. >> love. true love. >> you can say that two brothers and two sisters love each other.

if you change this definition, what's keeping them from entering a contractual relationship as well? washington gets in the way all too often. washington has to respect the states. >> rick perry talks economic issues during his three-news hour tour. >> minimum wage, do you support raising it? >> i think you need to leave it up to every company to decide that. i think the unions look to people like me that are actually out there creating jobs. if you look where the jobs are being created in this country, it is in the red states. how are we going to create jobs? growth is how america is going

to go forward. >> and joining us now liberal commentator, a comedian. >> it's always great to see you. i don't have any rick perry material, so i wore these to appear smarter than i actually am. >> i'm used to it already. let's start with the unions. he said unions should love republican governors because they create jobs. break it down. >> as opposed to unions. it's tough. i don't want to make fun of rick perry too much because it's been done. unions should love republican governors, it shows his depth of faith. christ said love your enemy and that's what he's asking unions to do. >> that's not just a joke,

that's a very serious political thing that's dogg eged him. >> that's why these exist. >> like any politician, you have to try to own and reframe these things. he's been pushed on a lot of economic issues. let's play her question about that oops moment. >> so i have to ask under a perry administration what would be the three departments that you would eliminate? >> it would be more than three. the more i think about it -- if you believe in the tenth amendment, why do you need a department of education? why do you need a department of commerce? why do you need a department of energy? i know that's the butt of a lot of jokes that i couldn't remember the third one, but there are more than three. >> let's look into the politician here. he has figured out a way to go

big with this in a tea party republican environment. we're saying, it's more than three. there's an appetite for that. >> there's an appetite to abandon any national standard for anything. i can see why that's important rick perry. i'm not here to mock the guy. there's only two of those 2016 gop candidates that are running right now. one is rand paul. and the other is rick perry. it's fun to make fun of the governor, but he's serious about this. when he ran those ads in new york and california last year, urging businesses to come to his state, that was a preemptive strike in the campaign. rick perry will tell any audience he's speaking to anything they want to hear.

the guy is really serious about it. it's the only 2016 potential candidate with a plan. i think progressives and democrats will underestimate him at their own peril. >> this guy was not taken seriously politically by the last round. he wasn't seen as someone who was going to be a first tier candidate, but because of some of the things we've been reporting on the show tonight with what's happening with other governors, in a weak field, he's looking stronger, rick perry. >> he does. it looks like it's going to be a two-horse race. the more he boasts about his job creation record in texas, the more scrutiny it's going to get. stealing jobs from other states isn't the same as creating jobs. >> i'm not going to accuse you of an oops moment, but there's

another problem on that list in the jobs analysis which is a lot of low-paying jobs that require people to be on public assistance. >> exactly. >> that's not a conservative value. if we had a living-wage, they don't need the government support. people at walmart are being subsidized by millions of dollars because they still need that assistance. >> you're exactly right. it's prices so nice you pay for them twice. the more americans realize that when the companies aren't paying a living-wage, they're the ones really paying for it. it's not conservatives. >> you are a catchy dude. you speak in a catchy way. thanks for joining us. still to come, republicans cannot stop freaking out about hillary clinton 2016.

they'll discuss michelle bach n bachman. we will explain it in the punchout. next, yes an ed show tradition. i'm taking your questions. that's just ahead. stay tuned.

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welcome back to "the ed show." we love hearing from our viewers, that's you. our first question, in your memory has there ever been any u.s. presidents more pillarried than barack obama? i don't think you can imagine the kind of environment that this president has faced in history. there are ways people look at this from the fact the house doesn't hold votes to the senate

filibuster rates. how far back do you have to go? i would say truman. this was a guy who didn't have congress believing in him or working with him. that extended to both parties. if you go back to '48, harry truman had to deal with a plan from his own party to try to knock him off the ticket and replace him with eisenhower. no one thought he was going to win that race. another question, how close to reality is the netflix series, "house of cards"? no spoilers. i watched the whole second season and i thought it got darker and scarier than first season. there are plenty of people who

are in it for themselves in washington. there are plenty of people doing things for the wrong reasons and for money. by the middle of the season, you get the feeling that nobody believes in anything. i don't think that's the case. when i worked in the senate, there were fakes and phonies and true-believers. you think about the late daniel moynihan. there are a lot of believers there in and out of the government. i'm done taking questions for now. stick around. we have the rapid response panel next. the dow falls 29 points. the s&p 500 off 3. the nasdaq shedding 4. home sales fell 5.4% last month.

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pent up desire. she has many issues with clinton, but there's a larger story about the gop here. it's not that hillary is a woman or a clinton. it's hillary increasingly looks like a winner and republicans can't stop talking about her in ways that are bad politics for them because they're worried two decades of creative attacks have not slowed hillary down. we have some new numbers on that in a moment. to give us a take on this, we have our rapid response panel. welcome to you both. karen, hillary clinton isn't just driving a conversation here, right? she's certainly not out trying to do a lot of things to get us or republicans talking. so why so much focus? >> because i think there's such a fascination with hillary and

this question of will she or won't she. she's kept her head down and doing her work, which is what she did when she got to the senate and what she did when she became secretary of state. that's her way of doing things. let me just do the work. it's everyone else having the chaotic question and answer around her. >> it's a fascination and yet it's not one shared in the negative way by the public. this is a majority of americans now. 59% viewing hillary clinton favorably. that's despite her being out center stage, public life, secretary of state, attacks about her conduct and record, and some attacks that people think are out of bounds. these are pretty high numbers. >> yeah. i think a challenge for republicans is to try to

criticize hillary clinton should she run for president in 2016 without being sexist. that's shown to be a very surmountable challenge for them right now. the problem for them is not that hillary clinton is running and that's she's a woman or a clinton, the policy decisions she supports are the policies that the majority of americans support. it's the policy and not the gender. >> i'm not sure about that. if you look at the 59% number, there is a premium there. it's higher than some of the positions she took as secretary of state. that maybe related. i want to think about that in the context of the michelle bachman interview. she slighted the run and she

talked about president obama's victory. there was a cachet about having an african-american because of guilt. people don't hold guilt for a woman, end quote. there is a more serious way to look at the point she might be gesturing towards and i think it's one thing to quote the president. the president is talking about the fact that race was a factor when he ran and he's talked about the fact in a more positive sense. he said for some people the fact he had broken this barrier was a positive and for other people it was a negative. when she looks at that dynamic, she doesn't come up with that. she comes up with guilt. any woman who runs in either party can stand to benefit from some of that dynamic without it being guilt that we only have

guys in the white house, right? >> as a woman, i'm disappointed that michelle bachman's desire to attack down hillary clinton is to take down a woman president. of course we want a woman president. i took those comments to be yet another one of the same kind of attacking we have seen time and time again to undermine the legitimacy of his presidency. to believe what she's saying, you have to believe that people acted out of guilty and two times, by the way, and not because they believed in president obama and who he is. to your point, the president acknowledges how complicated and how complex this is. we're used to hearing the oversimplifying from michelle bachman and the far right. >> the idea just at a basic

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she said she is against new jobs in her state if they have union ties. when asked about the auw's failed attempt to unionize in tennessee, she left no room for interpretation. >> what i know is that we don't have unions in south carolina because we don't need unions in south carolina. we discourage any companies that have union wanting to come to south carolina because we don't want the take the water. >> south carolina does have is a solid manufacturing industry. however, there are still not enough good paying jobs for everyone. and governor haley, when you look at it, it's key. when union membership goes down, so do middle class wages. you can see it right there. the data doesn't lie. and south carolina's median income is still among the worst in the country. now think about that. lots of people there have the kind of jobs that keep them stuck in poverty. something ed talks about a lot. families in south carolina are suffering with one of the highest poverty rates in the nation.

100,000 people dropping below the poverty line in just the last three years. so, governor, tell us again why are you educating companies away from your state? >> it's also making sure that we educate different companies coming in from outside to understand that that's not what we want to do in south carolina. and if they're interested in that, we're not where they need to come. unions are trying to get in wherever they can. they're getting desperate. so they are trying to sneak in any way they can. my job is make sure we keep them out. >> the president of american bridge 21st century. brad, what is new here? >> well, this is really stunning. but, look, republicans believe in low wages, apparently. and they believe in people being stuck in poverty. let's remember this is a republican party that is opposed to increasing the minimum wage. senator corker fought the unionization of the volkswagen plant in chattanooga. she is discouraging good-paying

jobs from coming to her state if people are actually organizing for better benefits. it's really stunning. and i just don't know who these people represent, ari. >> but brad, there is a new fish here, because we had governor perry's sound earlier in the program. and one of the things he said, i want to be clear and fair about this, he said look, if companies want to pay more, they can do that. that's a response to regulating a minimum wage. that strikes me, tell me what you think, that strikes me as different than coming out and saying not let the market decide, but if a company does want to work with unions, which by the way is a business decision, they're no longer welcome. >> that's exactly right. what is stung here is the republican party is the party of the free market. but they're trying to manipulate the market. i mean, you have government officials, senator, governors, discouraging companies from even talking about unionizing. like in chattanooga. you had a company there that was neutral. but you had republican representatives and the senator

there come out and run a campaign against workers making this decision for themselves. i mean, it really has gone farther than let the companies decide, let the workers decide there is a culture here of race to the bottom. i mean, low wage jobs may mean more jobs, but it doesn't mean more prosperity. >> let me talk to you about the politics of that. i always get your e-mails, and i talked to you before when working for democrats. you know how this stuff plays out. is there an angle here for democrats or progressives who are interested in these labor issues to say, hey, this is the government coming in and telling you how to run the company. because as we head, and ed has talked about this a lot, if the government, the state government or the governor isn't saying hey, let the market figure it out, but, again, hey, we don't want a serb kind of company, we're now going to try to bar them or discourage them from making their own business decisions, is there a good government play here? >> i do think there is a government play here.

i also think there is an organizing opportunity. on our side, democrats and on the left progressives have got to organize themselves into communities of interest. and you see this in north carolina with the moral mondays. the women have to -- the women who want to protect their rights need to work with those who want to protect voting rights. those who want to protect worker rights need to work with those who want to protect women's rights. i think in that way a progressive movement around these issues will expose the republicans for what they are. they're corporate schills who don't have any interest in helping anyone else. >> as i said, i don't think that replies to every republican governor. i don't think it applies to everyone in the republican caucus. but that side of the argument in the gop is winning. it's growing, as you're saying. and you're hitting on something that a lot of people talk about. what is the difference between being just a d.c. democrat or a movement progressive. and what you're talk about is people who ray lined on these issues working together. an interesting point here for us to end on.

brad woodhouse, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> i'm ari melber. you can find me on twitter. now "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. hi, al. >> thank you, ari, and hi to you. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from houston, texas. tonight's lead, growing calls to end stand your ground. the top prosecutor in the michael dunn case now says the law needs to go. the top police officer in the dunn investigation now says the law should be fixed. and americans all across the country are demanding an end to this unjust law. it's been nearly a week since the dunn jury revealed that it was unable to reach a verdict in the shooting death of 17-year-old jordan davis. the mistrial shocked millions of americans and put a new