it is ranking the west virginiians who lived for weeks without water would agree with. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. >> documents unsealed wednesday reveal just how closely walker and officials blurred their campaign. >> this is old news. this is something that's passed. this is old news. they're digging up stuff prosecufrom the past. >> it's big news in local papers in wisconsin. >> the big smoking gun is that walker is clearly at the center of this. >> documents leaked link scott

walker to a secret e-mail system. >> sounds like a secret society. >> that's one way of looking at it. >> i know you know. >> thousands of e-mails were released this week that indicate that you knew. >> i know you know i know. >> right. >> the voters of the state of wisconsin want to know whether or not their governor is telling the truth. >> tell us how you feel in your deepest, deepest soul. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. i want to start tonight thanking arizona progressives that i spent saturday night with and for those in nebraska who have fought for so hard what they believe in. a lot on the pipeline coming tonight in the back half of the show and all this week here on "the ed show."

let's go back to scott walker, my old buddy. walker is desperately trying to bury what i believe are very new revelations in this scandal, which resulted in 15 felony convictions and three misdemeanors for walker's associates. he denied any involvement in the illegal activities. when he was executive of milwaukee county, his staff set up a private wi-fi network to communicate about the 2010 gubernatorial campaign. what about the time card? walker staff funded by the taxpayers worked on his gubernatorial campaign while they were on the county's dime. my friends, this is what the e-mails reveal. it's illegal in the state of

wisconsin. i think the push is on the prosecutor and the democrats. these 14 senators that were brave enough to leave the state to stop this radical machine, now you have to be brave enough to put pressure on the prosecute and asking questions. how in the world did walker get away with this? new questions have been raised after 27,000 pages of e-mails become public on a document dump. -- calling it just a shut case. >> it's absolutely not true. this is about a case that was closed last march. a democratic district attorney in milwaukee county spent

multiple years looking at all the information. last year in march, he announced the end of that case. plain and simple. it's old news. >> it's a democratic prosecutor. it's old news. the case is closed. that's his bullet points. even the folks across the street aren't ready to let walker off the hook that easily. >> if county workers were doing nothing wrong, why should they be using a private e-mail account? you had a democratic district attorney spending years reviewing those documents and interviewing and talking to those people. i point out the district attorney has reviewed every single one of these issues. >> you're not answering my questions. >> i'm not going get into 27,000 pieces of information. a democratic district attorney looked at all and decided not to

charge anybody anything other than the individuals you mentioned. i think that's pretty straightforward. >> do you understand why the conservatives love scott walker? he just keeps talking and talking. walker is desperate. walker was once a rising star with the republican party. now walker is facing a tough reelection fight in november under a cloud of renewed scrutiny. walker is playing the part of victim. he's a victim, claiming this is all part of a democratic smear campaign. >> we have our political operatives that desperately want to switch the subject from taking a budget deficit and

improving into a surplus. they want to switch the subject on a subject that's already been resolved as of last march. they want to keep pushing this issue into the forefront. >> you're good. you're good, walker. you're on point with your bullet points. walker wants to ignore the e-mails and pay attention to his record. governor walker has pledged previously he was going to create 250,000 jobs in his four-year term. he argued that anti-union act ten would get that job done. wisconsin has only added 53,809 jobs since he has taken office. let's go back to three years ago when over 100,000 people

gathered at the capital to protest walker's anti-union assault. we were there. 14 senate democrats fled the state to try to block this bill. this bill passed without any democrats present. madison, wisconsin, is the home of the very first local of the american federation of state and county municipal employees. since it was enacted in the state of wisconsin, membership has gone from 1,000 work down to 122 members. the legislation was designed to kill unions and destroy the democratic base in the state of wisconsin. employees have to contribute 6% of their pensions by law and pay at least 12% of their health

care costs, which they had already paid for. the bottom line here is what? the law also created a burden by barring government official from deducts dues from unions. walker passed legislation to starve people out of union participation. this makes him the golden boy of the corporate world. let's go back to john chisholm. let's get back to the fundamentals for just a moment. did your office read those 27,000 e-mails? you have got 125 employees

underneath you. you have five assistant deputy attorneys in your office. tell us you read them all because the public seems to be reading them a lot different from your prosecuting team. there's another investigation going on, but do you have to get the guy twice? how can he not there's a secret e-mail service going on which is against the law in wisconsin? they keep telling us your a democrat. forget the politics. how about the law? get your cell phones out. tonight's question -- do you think scott walker has legally dodged this issue? text a for yes. text b for no to 67622. you can always go to our blog and we'll bring you the results later on in the show.

this is why walker is the golden boy for the conservatives. if they can break down unions across america and create a template on how this could work, this could produce your next presidential candidate who might get some traction who can't stand wage earners. good to have you with us tonight. you published an article about wisconsin legacy for unions in "the times" over the weekend. what struck you the most covering this story? >> two things really struck me, ed. one is the law that was passed to curve collective bargaining has had devastating effects on the first -- founded back in

1932, the nation's largest union. it's pretty astounding to learn its membership has dropped to 122 from 1,000. the law field set up a mine field that makes it hard for unions to survive. the other thing that struck me is there's a polarized view in wisconsin. some think the act is great. they think it's really helped towns and school districts balance budgets and given them more flexibility. union leaders said, this has saved communities money, but it's done it on the backs of workers. several workers said as a result of this law, they're take-home pay has dropped 10, 12% because they're contributing more for their pensions and health

coverage. they're take-home pay has dropped 10, 12% and they face wage fees. i think their effective page has dropped after inflation 15, 17%. >> going after these workers has not brought in a lot of new business to the state, which i think is a vital point in all of this. what effect do you think this is going to have on his reelection bid? >> it's really hard to say. the state is a very polarized state. it has a strong liberal left and a strong conservative right. i think a lot of taxpayers are happy that act 10 has helped their towns balance their budget and avoid tax increaseincreases. a lot of them have teachers and

cops they're friends with. they feel scott walker has been unfair to them. they've moved significantly backwards on their pay. one of the points i make in my piece is i think there's going to be a strong push from the unions both from within wisconsin and outside wisconsin to unseat scott walker. conservatives from around the country are going to fight very hard to keep scott walker in the governor's mansion. >> they're going to say this is the model. i appreciate your time, sir. >> let's turn to ruth. it is still focusing on the legal problems for scott walker. he calls it old news. what's the response on the ground about the e-mail scandal? do folks care about this?

>> if you judge by the local newspapers, this is getting a lot of traction. people are really interested. there's been a very strong message which endorsed walker in the election saying these e-mails clearly show the governor was at the center of this, he knew about it, it is not credible for him to deny it. furth furthermoth furthermore, he's not answering any questions. >> the question comes up in light of the recent developments and the document dump of 27,000 e-mails, do you think milwaukee's district attorney should have forced walker to answer some of these questions? it looks like he's been left off the hook. how can other people get charged

with crimes -- >> the district attorney is betting 100% with those 15 felony convictions. if he felt that he didn't have enough to charge him, he didn't take it to the hoop with walker. we're seeing one glimpse of secret documents. this one staffer, who pled guilty to a felony, had this on her computer. it shows overwhelmingly the response has been that walker was directly involved. that ethical problem is a separate question from the specific legal problem. there is an ongoing investigation and the district attorney brought that to our -- he brought that to our attorney general, a republican, who declined after dragging his feet for months to prosecute.

as he should. this is not over. >> okay. so that second investigation deals with the recall in the way walker ran that campaign, correct? >> we know it deals with that because some of the groups like call for growth have been subpoenaed and been dragged out to talk about because of the illegal coordination. that's one piece that we know about. >> walker wants everybody to focus on his record, which clearly is mixed. the story continues. up next, volkswagen workers continue to fight for the right to unionize. the cost of the keystone xl pipeline, my exclusive interviews with the folks on the ground. the landers whose home is within feet of the proposed pipeline

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clear? is there really going to be a hearing here? what kind of power does the nlrb have at this point? >> they have the authority to set aside the election and order a new election. we hope they'll find exactly what we found. it isn't like this was done just verbally. this was done on tv and locally and out in the open. this is really outrageous when you think about it. if i was a religious leader, i would be scared. if i was an american citizen, which i am, i would be scared. >> if the nlrb doesn't get involved here and they don't call for another vote, what does this set the table for other elects officials do? you've had a state senator tennessee threaten legislative retribution.

you've had a governor get involved in the process saying the same thing and you have the united states senator bob corker saying a plant might not expand unless it gets a "no" vote on the union. >> this sets the table for the norquists of the world, the coke brothers, and the people of like mind that just want to hold workers back. they're trying to hold people down. they don't want collective bargaining. i feel sorry for the workers at volkswagen. they were put in a situation they should not have been put in. >> well, now we have to sit and wait and see how aggressive the nlrb is going to be. how do you think they would do this process? >> this is a process.

i've been involved in elections before where you can go a short period of time or it would take some time. we're not going away, ed. we're going to be no chattanooga. we have 5,000 uaw members in the state of tennessee. it's ironic. these officials who threatened the workers at volkswagen had no problem coming to the ribbons ceremony to cut the ribbon at spring hills. >> we'll follow the story. thanks so much. >> thank you. coming up, a town rich in tradition sets in the proposed path of the keystone xl pipeline. i sit down with the landowners to see first-hand how the pipeline will effect them. >> we have a hardware store that is six miles from here that we bought from a family who had had

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welcome back to "the ed show." the keystone xl pipeline has ignited debates in this country. it is the hottest political and environmental issue at hand. there are many facets to the story. tonight we start a series of stories to bring you a better and more complete picture of

what's been unfolding in the country. who would have thought a small house on a dirt road in the middle of america and a group of activists would be a stumbling block on the xl pipeline? this is in bradshaw, nebraska. they have 160 acres of corn just across the road. there's a lot of space, a lot of corn, a lot of family tradition. >> so this is as homey has it gets, isn't it? >> uh-huh. >> how was it built? >> this was built -- started in 1876. it took six to eight years to build it. the lumber came into omaha by

train. it was brought out here by horse wagon because there was no trees. the craftsmen lived here. it was a long undertaking. >> so there's such an emotional connection to this house for your family, isn't there? >> that's why we're living here. my dad passed away and we had to take care of it. we couldn't let it fall down and be another farmstead that got bulldo bulldozed. >> it's got a lot of character. tell us about the mantle and the brick. >> the brick, his mother had this fireplace built in here in the 1970s. and she had the workers going to get the foundation of the original homestead, which is on the other side of the street.

clean them all up and bring them in here and build the fireplace. >> these bricks go way back. >> the house was built in the 1870s, but the homestead was longer than that. you can still kind of see the wagon rust that goes down the center of it. the whole thing is put together with square nails. the whole house is built with square nails. this has the history of this house, that house, and the whole family. >> how emotional would it be if you had to leave? >> i wouldn't be pretty. that's what worries us so much. if this house was across the road where my land is, if it was damaged by oil that came from an easement i owned, then they

would have to remediate it. but this land immediately over here would be my nephew's basement. they would to clean up the oil, but nothing says they have to fix my house. >> it's a real personal risk. >> to recover that, you have to sue them. suing transcanada, i think it would take long time to get to court. >> our story is very personal. i saw your show the other day where you were speaking to an environmentalists. i'm sure he had some political people -- it is literally in our backyard. >> it's all here. your tradition, your family. what about your job?

>> you said the word, tradition. we have a small hardware store six miles from here that we bought from a family that had had it in town for 100 years. we're part of a family and we bought it and changed the name to tradition hardware. that, i think, is an indication of where our hearts and minds lie in this area. it's our homes. it's our jobs. it's our families. his family has been here. my children lived here. i hope to pass this on to the next four, five, six generations. >> this couldn't be coming through a more heartfelt, more salt of the earth family community town. fair enough? >> absolutely. >> for the two of us at least.

>> just to give you a flavor of what's on the ground in the middle of the country. more on the potentially devastating impact of the keystone xl pipeline. it could have nebraska land owners on edge. >> transcanada puts a lot of liability on the landowner. >> so this is on you if something goes wrong on your land? [ female announcer ] crest presents:

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we know we're not the center of your life, but we'll do our best to help you connect to what is. welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for staying with us tonight. one of the biggest arguments against the keystone xl pipeline is assuming the risk. your view of this project might be a lot different if it was coming through your backyard. couple that with the liability that goes along with it. this is the irrigation well that feeds the great homestead just a

few hundred yards away, but 65 feet over here is where the pipeline would go. right now, there's prime cattle on this land and corn and they're livelihood. >> when did you first find out there was going to be a pipeline here? >> that could have been in september of 2012 when they gave us a check for $500 to come out and survey where they were going to lay out the pipes. we found out it was 285 feet from my home. >> what was your reaction? >> at that point, we were out of the mind it was going to go through anyway. what can we do about it? and then, you know, that kind of put the brakes on things. then we started seeing pictures

of kalamazoo, michigan, and mayflower, arkansas. and i decided that was just not going to happen here. there's too much -- there's not enough money for transcanada to make me move and replace everything that i have here. >> and did you know the pipeline was coming through here or were you somewhat surprised that all of a sudden it was this close to your house? >> exactly. exactly. when they changed the route and moved it this direction, it was about the first time that i heard of it. like everybody else, i was out of the assumption it was going to come through anyway. they were going to come through my land and they were going to give me money for it. that's okay. >> a lot of money? >> no dollar amount was ever quoted to me at that point. >> they said they were going to give you money, but they didn't

tell you how much. >> right. >> other landowners who had deals struck with the oil company once the pipeline came through. >> exactly. exactly. >> why haven't you got a deal? >> i don't know. they sent out to everyone who hadn't signed yet easement offers. a land agent will be in contact in the next couple of weeks and all we have to do is sign own the dotted line and they'll give me x amount of money. >> has it felt heavy-handed? >> absolutely. we've done a lot of research about transcanada. come to find out, there's the 41st wealthiest corporation in the world. that means they have a lot of power. money is power. i don't have that.

>> you feel overwhelmed? >> very much so. >> kevin, how do you feel? 137 years. family tradition. now it's being threatened. >> and you just want to make your living, be left alone, and do the best you can and to be threatened with eminent domain which in your mind is not something for public use, it just feels like that's a complete violation. i'm sure -- and my neighbors would concur with this -- if we thought this was anything like the terms of the interstate highway system where we all get to use it or a pipeline that was

going to benefit anybody in nebraska, we wouldn't be against it. that would be eminent domain. there would be a legitimate common carrier. we wouldn't feel so violated that we do now, especially since it is all foreign. it is the constitution of the united states. not the constitution of canada. >> what do you think your dad and grandfather would have said to this? >> they would have been out here, especially with my mother with a shotgun. my mother -- i mean, she was -- she just wouldn't put up with the government intervention. >> amazing how humans can fall in love with dirt, isn't it? >> that's what gives us life. >> if a disaster takes place on

their land, two are responsible. for these nebraska residents, it is just so unclear. day, and i' talking about the money. i'm talking about the terms. i go over it every day and add to it what i want in it. and if it gets to the point i have to do it, i will do my best to negotiate the terms i want and the money will be secondary to what the easement says. >> what do you mean if you have to do it? >> if i have to sign -- it is so unclear. if you go to court over eminent domain, we haven't been able to get a decent answer what kind of terms you're going to have in your easement. so we don't know if you'll just get this easement, this is just a horrible document and a little check. we don't know if it's better to negligent your easement terms before you go to court or go to court. but if you want the terms, you got to stand up for yourself. >> do you feel a little intimidated?

>> i don't think intimidated is the right word. i feel put upon and officials of our state didn't stand up for their citizens. and we shouldn't having to carry all the water to protect ourselves. we elect people to do that. >> barack obama were standing here right now, shannon, what would you say to him? >> personally, i would ask him if he would willingly sleep 275 feet away from a 36-inch pipe of sludge and poison day after day after day after day. if that's something that he really would feel comfortable doing. personally, i don't. it's right here. do i need to put myself in that close a proximity of something i know could harm me, willingly? no. i think that's asking too much of me, personally. >> transcanada puts in a lot of

liability on the landowner. >> uh-huh. >> so this is on you if something goes wrong on your land? >> if it is something that isn't, you know, pipeline failure. >> if it's -- >> if there is a sinkhole and you drive over it with an enormously heavy combine full of corn and they can prove in court with their army of lawyers that we were at fault through negligence, then we're the one that is paying. and if that happens, we sell everything we own we have nothing to pay for that, and then we're owing for the rest of our lives, because we sell all this land, it wouldn't be enough to pay for that. >> do you feel like you can deny this project? >> i know that the people that stick together have a lot of power. and there is three kinds of people that we run into. the apathetic, which it does no good to try to educate because

they simply don't care no matter what. then you have the people who have made up their mind. the open-minded people. i have never found one with an open mind that once they learn the facts that thinks it's a good idea. the more we have public opinion is changing. people like us and the people we work with on this issue every day are making a difference in changing public opinion. and i think we have a chance. >> you think life has done a dirty trick down? >> i think our elected officials have done a dirty trick on us. they kind of sold us out. you know, lee terry out of omaha, governor heineman, name it. everyone who has come out in favor of the pipeline that are supposed to be working for us. i want to ask each and every one of them if you think this is such a great plan, if you think this is such a good thing for america, then why don't you put it on state and federal lands.

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and finally tonight, the keystone xl pipeline is literally dividing the heartland of our great nation. all this week we're giving a voice to both sides of the debate. we'll bring you the stories of farm owners, the landowners, the ranchers, the native american tribes and local officials who support it. each of these people have very personal reasons why they are in this fight. the fight for american energy. tomorrow night, we'll hear from the folks who are pushing the keystone xl pipeline. >> i'm raising crops right on top of this pipe, and, you know, had all kinds of things, the ground won't freeze and it will be soft there and everything else. never had a problem. >> our special week-long series, divided heartland, the american debate, will continue on this show every night this week. we will hear from the advocacy groups on the ground who are fighting the pipeline.

we will hear from the sioux indian nation, the sioux rosebud reservation. there were representatives that drove six hours to meet me because they heard that i was going to be in nebraska. they say their side of the story hasn't been told anywhere. we will visit with those native americans on this program later on this week. and also the politics of it all. how a multinational corporation went in and influenced a vote to have laws changed in the nebraska legislature to get a stamp of approval to get this pipeline through. and of course the most recent development, that pipeline right now on hold because of a court injunction in favor of the advocates to defeat the pipeline. and then, of course, the big picture. what this pipeline means to climate change and the debate and the big decision coming up by president barack obama. that's all coming up this week here on "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now.

good evening, rev. good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, a new fight against stand your ground. lawmakers in florida are now threatening to expand the law. just days after millions of americans were stunned by the michael dunn verdict. we've heard dunn himself talk about the self-defense laws in jailhouse recordings made after he was arrested for the death of jordan davis. listen. >> between adrenaline, fear, and muscle memory, i wasn't doing a whole lot of thinking. it was a me or him situation. i wish i had a time machine i would have parked there. >> it was me or him, says michael dunn. in that conversation, dunn seemed convinced that the self-defense laws were on his side. >> i have high confidence that it will work out. even if