>> i have one. i want you to guess the movie and the actor. the quote is, and this is your grandson, huh? now i know why tigers eat their young. >> caddie shack.of the drinks ue cigarette butt in it? remember that? he still drank it any way. natalie is under the weather so we send her the very best and i appreciate my gopher, my co-host, helping me out this morning. "way too early" is every. "morning joe" is next. ♪ >> thank you, jimmy fallon, for take over "the tonight show" at 11:30 so i could take over "late night" at 12:30. i promise to treat it with respect and dignity and to only use it to do completely original comedy pieces. starting now. ♪

>> good morning. it's tuesday, february 25th. it's almost march! >> that's great. >> welcome to "morning joe"! >> i feel sick! >> groundhog day, march means we only have six more months of winter! >> with us on the set msnbc contributor mike barnicle. how are you? >> i hate groundhog. i hate them. >> i saw a picture of you from -- what was that movie? >> "the candidate." my call when it comes up. >> very handsome. form you're communication director for george w. bush nicole wallace. in washington white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. we haven't seen him here, have we? >> three weeks. >> three weeks of no willie! >> i came back with no makeup. >> you look pale. >> skinny. >> sochi was good. the weather was good. as you saw, it was 60, 65.

>> what is that about? >> it was secure. they did a really good job. we were talking about this yesterday. it was not like machine gun toting guys in your face secure with eyes everywhere security but it was not in your face. it was in your shower! >> fantastic! >> wow. >> what presents did you bring us? >> so the day you asked for the jackets. i voted -- sold out. we can still get them so we are going to get you some. >> does he get me a bunch of stuff? it's downstairs in the first floor of some store! >> yeah. like a team jacket you rightly pointed out was excellent. those were sold out but there is a website. >> oh, good. you won a gold medal. so, mike, "the wall street journal" wrote late last night that it's impossible for 20 years to talk to a young american male without referencing some work that harold ramis did. >> oh, yes. >> "animal house" to caddyshack"

and "ghost busters" and "stripes." i could go on and on. he was not just a comic genius for our time that didn't get a pile of awards from the academy or anybody else but as "the wall street journal" said if the people gave out the awards, he wouldn't be able to fit them all into his house because he -- i had dinner with him a couple of years ago at arianna's house in brentwood. he is a lovely man. a lovely man. >> he left los angeles and left hollywood and moved to chicago where he is from and back to chicago and continued to make movies up through and analyze these movies with de niro. he made movies that movie goers who leave their home and pay for a ticket and sit in the theater loved to go to because they were enjoyable, they were funny. they were well-scripted.

they were goofy. a whole range of comedic elements. he wrote some of the funniest films in his generation. >> something very important i forgot to tell you. >> what? >> don't cross the streams! >> why? >> it would be bad. >> i love you totally and completely. you're the best thing that ever happened to me. >> i'm the best thing that ever happened to you? >> yeah. >> now i just feel bad for you. >> license to kill gophers by the government of the united nations. you must know your enemy. in this case, my enemy is a varmint. >> they are going to nail us no matter what we do. >> we might as well have a good time. toga, toga, toga! >> jerry! >> what is the matter with you? we never discuss mr. beady's

health outside the family. you know better than that. sit down. sit down! you want a fresh one? ♪ your metal hand in mine there ain't a mountain punish we can't climb ♪ ♪ i got you babe >> worked with the comic greats and made them greater if he wasn't the greatest himself. >> one of those movies. "animal house" do that in '78 and '79 and it sets you up. "groundhog day" the last clip we showed, can see it a thousand times. >> it keeps building. beyond cold classic. he had one of these movies, he would be a legend. if he had just made "vacation" or "caddyshack" or "groundhog

day" he would a legend. what meant to him as a mentor and how he would invite him into his home and teach him about movies and his life. these guys loved him. >> the other element here is the impact, the huge and lasting impact of "second city in chicago" everyone who came out of that. >> immensely talent. >> many still here. obviously still performing bill murray and them but the long list of people. wow. >> nicole is talking about -- it talks about him being a writer and also an actor. he had parts in so many of the movies and "ghostbusters" and when i had dinner with him how they were going to be making fun of the ray charles and johnny cash stories for the dewey cox story, you know? he was trying to explain the concept to him and he said, it's

not going to be really hard because those two movies, i don't know if you noticed, joe, they are the same movies! it's ray charles or johnny cash. we will do the dewey cox story. >> he crossed generations. people that didn't grow up with the movies that we did that we have been talking about saw "knocked up." they saw him as seth roguan's father in "knocked up." >> funny is funny. >> yeah, funny is funny. >> sam stein, how old are you? 17, 18? >> 14. i just turned 14. >> he thinks he is funny. >> we used to watch those movies. obviously, those movies a lot of them were created when i was young but those were called classics for me and my friends, especially in my house. "caddyshack" obviously. my favorite part that you showed was the clip of "knocked up." he was so subtle, but, you know, good as an actor in that "knocked up" clip where he did the monologue did fatherhood.

>> and it was all ad-libbed. seth had lines and ramis going, whoa! >> very funny movie. >> harold ramis passed away yesterday after a four-year battle with a rare auto immune disease. he was 69 and sfafed urvived by wife and three children. young. we move to other news out of washington, sort of. the president and vice president met with the nations governors in d.c. >> oh, good. governors. willie and i were talking about this last night. he brought back some old russian cigars and smoking at the holiday inn. you know what we said? >> governors always get it done? >> they are not concerned about it. >> they hug and pull each other's hair. >> they were in washington to work through some big policy issues. >> they love each other. >> particularly the economy.

the president even joked about the next resident at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. take a listen. >> i enjoyed watching some of you with your eyes on higher office size up the drapes. and each other. >> it was nice! >> it was nice! >> what was that laugh? >> it was a wonderful time. >> let's all chuckle! okay. by all accounts, it was -- i didn't think it was that funny, guys. cordial and productive. but then something happened. >> what happened? >> strange. kind of out of sync with everything. the news conference that followed outside. the governors go outside and talk about all of the wonderful things that happened inside, right? >> rah, rah, rah, rah. the next one comes up and says the same thing. >> great to see you! >> it didn't go that way. >> yes, he did mention the

minimum wage repeatedly to us. what i worry about this president, the white house seems to be waving the white flag surrender after five -- more than five years now under this administration. the obama economy is now the minimum wage economy. i think there are things we can do instead of waving the white flag of surrender instead of declaring this economy to be a minimum wage economy. i think america can do better. >> i just -- one second. until a few moments ago, we were going down a pretty cooperative road. you just heard of what i think ended up being probably the most partisan statement that we have had all weekend. i don't know what the heck was a reference to white flag when it comes to people making 404 dollars a week. that is the no insane statement i've ever heard, quite frankly! >> no, no, no. >> let's be very clear! we have had a great meeting and we didn't go down that road! and it just started again and we didn't start it. thank you. >> i'll take my 30 seconds.

i will take my 30 seconds. wait, wait. i'd like to respond just quickly. if that was the most partisan statement he has heard all weekend i want to make sure he hears a more partisan weekend. i think we can grow the economy more if we would delay more of these obama care mandates. >> okay. >> all right. >> what is the famous line, willie, from "anchorman"? >> escalated quickly. >> what is that? >> i don't know. we have a guy who has covered governors his entire professional career. i think six or seven months, sam stein. he's in washington right now. >> sam, what was that? >> obviously bobby jindal may have hi eyes on higher office. he's been the rga. speaking for a lot of republicans there, daniel malloy, one of the most progressive governors in america, they went after each

other. >> i have steextensive experien covering governors about a month now. i don't know what the white flag was. from a strategic standpoint, he found himself in a fight with the white house. the national governors association is supposed to be traditionally a post partisan affair. this was a little awkward because it was deeply partisan outside of the white house. governor malloy asked the most logical question what was governor jindal referencing when he said "the white flag"? i'm still unclear about that. >> i'll try to explain it to you. this started, i think, another governor, i think, introduced very interesting way of thinking about this. democrats and the president have been talking about income and inequality and chris christie

talked about opportunity and inequality. i think bobby jindal, as sam said, took an opportunity in front of the national media to make a point to highlight a philosophical difference in raising the minimum wage doesn't give more people an opportunity. it's admitting and acknowledging the economy isn't working for all americans which we know isn't. i worked for president bush and i don't really remember democratic governors calling off the partisan differences when they visited the white house. i don't remember democratic senators doing that. i don't remember democratic congressmen doing that. >> the minimum wage right? >> i think we are talking about bobby jindal's behavior i think what this whole segment has been about and his behavior was certainly inbounds. >> inbounds? >> listen. it's inbounds. it's certainly appropriate when you're in the other party to draw a policy -- >> oh, dear lord! democrats like harry reid. >> would i have given him the advice to sound so harsh, no.

but it certainly is a legitimate policy difference to highlight. >> what did harry reid -- >> called him a liar. >> and jay rockefeller and all of the rest of the people. >> called him a war criminal on the white house lawn. >> would they? >> of course. >> they would walk outside and democrats -- >> inside it's thank you, mr. president, we love you and we have to be tough for our guys and go out and call him a war criminal and you can't stand on the president's yard and highlight differences is ludicro ludicrous. >> yeah, but his tone was way off. i don't know how many times -- >> because harry reid when he said war criminal and liar, he was smiling. tonally, i thought it was nice. >> guys. >> for more than a year. it was in his gut. >> it seems to me he went into a very nice meeting. >> democrats do this all the time. >> and couldn't wait to get outside to get to the microphone

to repeat just over and over again a talking point that he had practiced with his staff. >> at the top, i don't -- >> not over the top. it was low rent. it was kind of like rookie. >> i don't think. >> i got to tell you. calling this president the minimum wage president, he'll take it if he can raise it. it's actually a good idea. please. >> he is running for office. >> the thing is it is so -- it is so hard for you to believe and so hard for many people in the media to believe that there is some of us that agree with bobby jindal. that you have all of these top-down solutions, washington dictating what the rest of the country does and the economy does and somehow we will make the economy better by, you know, it's trickled down liberalism is what it is. instead of growing the economy from the ground up and instead of doing things and passing policies that would actually grow the economy, you actually say, well, let's have the

federal government pass a massive health care bill that will actually encourage people to work less. let's have the federal government go out and push a minimum wage up from $7 to $10 which the cbo says, well, actually not steal from rich corporations but will steal from other poor people and may lift 900,000 people out of poverty, but, at the same time, may also put anywhere from 500 to a million people out of work. it's an income transfer from the poor to the poor. some of us believe that. you may not believe that. maybe harry reid really did believe that george w. bush was a liar and a war criminal and he went out and he said it. and so i wouldn't make a big deal. we are making a big deal about this. let's face it because he is a conservative that doesn't agree with most people in the mainstream media. >> i'm not making a big deal of it. i said it was very rookie. >> i don't think it was. >> even if i disagreed with them and said we still disagree on core issues here how to revive

the economy including the minimum but we had a wonderful meeting he might have been able to get a point across maybe adding in a few things that you just said. but, instead, he sounded like a tea party extremist saying white flag! please! >> the horse is dead. you have beaten it now. >> sorry. you have beaten it. >> you have helped in the messaging but it highlights a big difference between the two parties right now. >> sure. but he incited an argument. i thought it was rookie. >> i don't think it was rookie. thank you, bobby jindal, for speaking for millions. >> i thank you too, bobby jindal. chris christie has taken a hit in the approval rating. >> wait a minute. >> this is horrible. no. there there is a worst ever and everybody last night on tv -- this is just -- this shows he is dead. >> must be in the 20s. what happened? >> he is dead politically even with a skajed dcandal dogging h

new jersey. wait, wait. he is still more popular than a lot of those democratic governors governing in neighbor democratic states who have pounded him nonstop. >> wait a minute. i'm confused. >> 49% of registered voters in new jersey approve the job chris christie is doing in office. >> those are. >> that's down from last year obviously. but, hey, as blood, sweat and tiers said what goes up must come down so if you're in the 70s you ain't going to stay in the 70s. who is the other two governors who have gone after him the most? dannel malloy who is coming up later. >> you have national democrats. >> how are those governors doing? >> let's see. in maryland, martin o'malley who is going to run for president -- >> wait a minute. chris christie's are better.

why are all of the headlines saying his approval ratings are plummeting? i don't know. >> i thought i heard somebody on the news going bad news about chris christie. i sat up straight. what is going on? must be something new about bridgegate like horrible potentially connected thing. >> 45%, martin o'malley. chris christie is still more popular as a republican in a democratic state that went from barack obama by double digits after being hammered nonstop by people who have been obsessing in a very entertaining way over the past several months. he still has a higher approval rating than martin o'malley. a "wall street journal" pointed out this month, connecticut's governor dannel malloy approval rating have never been that high. >> i like him. >> i do too but he has been hammering chris christie nonstop. you know, he's at 47% in an old

quinnipiac poll. isn't this interesting? >> in connecticut! >> in connecticut! governor of arkansas, for christ's sake! connecticut! >> in connecticut! and in maryland! >> all you have to do is in the 80s in connecticut is let it rain and keep the lights on and you could be like an 80% governor. >> it's hard to do. >> if it rains and my lights stay on i'm going to knock on doors for the guy. >> exactly. >> it's not hard to be popular in connecticut. >> so here is the bigger point. willie, while you were gone -- >> we missed you! >> -- like an old sandra bullock movie. every dau yy you were gone, the bloggers would be doing this. >> there are some bad things that came out. >> a night nonstop. this is the worst thing ever. >> we he really didn't miss anything is the point. >> i left almost a month ago and i was on the back end of it. >> nonstop obsession.

>> except for the obsession of the media on the left going after chris christie. he is sitting there with higher approval ratings from his two biggest critics. >> falling 20 points is not nothing but if you're falling from 70 it's a pretty good place to be. >> i take issue with obsession because i think a story is a story is a story and you're going to cover it. f he can get interest for this story. >> bill marr called it an obsession. >> it's been a total obsession. let's not pretend. it's been a total obsession. let's now go to our washington obsession correspondent sam stein. sam, you know, obviously like willie said dropping 20 points ain't nothing. this guy is a republican in a democratic state and he is still sitting at 49%, 50%, depending on what poll you look at. we got investigations. we will see which way the investigations go but, still, he's holding pretty firm when

you compare him to his democratic -- >> i see your point. >> thank you, sam. >> a lot of governors would be -- are envious of having a 49%, 46% disapproval. i wouldn't call it a obsession. a relent less couple of weeks of coverage for chris christie and the question is when does it end? you get the since it's teetering on now. but, of course, always the possibility that more documents will be produced as part of this investigation. >> there is always that possibility. a possibility that -- shows up on a flying saucer in central park. >> a greater possibility of the former than the latter. >> i don't know. i'm not so sure. >> that is a question. is this the end of the drip or not? and i think until we figure that out, we can take a snapshot and "time" poll and dissect it but

we still have too much uncertainty about this and see what happens after the subpoena duces tecum. >> are we going down to spring training, sam? >> i would love to. >> when are you going, mike? >> march 13th. >> can you ask larry if we can go too? >> you can go any time you want. where do you want to bat in the order? want to bat cleanup? >> i'd love to. >> okay. >> have you ever been like -- have you ever gone down? >> not barnicle style. not with him. >> i have. >> i used to all the time. >> sam, let's go down. let's go down. >> absolutely. >> so this is how you know when you've got a problem. right? i had a dream last night. seventh game, dodgers and the red sox. we had a 7-2 lead. it was 7-6. we won 7-6. that's a problem. we are in, what, february? >> do you like that? what is wrong? >> we want to do the first pitch at fenway. is that okay? >> it's going to be a long nine

months. how do you feel about the yankees off-season? >> i feel good. tanaka is a great pitcher. brian mccann. we went back the old way, the yankee way. tried it the old way. >> here. here. >> i love it! >> that is the yankee way. >> alex has been trying to wrap up for about four minutes. >> can i ask willie one more quick question? >> go ahead. we have missed him. >> what for you was the most inspiring moment at the olympics? i'll be honest with you, a big shadow over the whole thing was ukraine, i couldn't watch it because of putin, i just couldn't. i know there are a lot of great stories. i saw the bode miller stuff and it's hard not to tear up when you said that. what for you is the most inspiring moment over there for you? >> there was a canadian mogul skier named alex who has a severely handicapped brother,

his buddy and best friend inspired him all throughout. the kid comes on and wins the gold medal and skis directly over to his brother who is on the front row up against the snow and gives him a big hug. the family is in tears. we talked to him afterwards. that was a great run. i got to go to the russia and u.s. men's hockey game. paid professionals but a shoot-out and it was a great game. >> were you at the oshii game? >> i was. >> i bet jen was too. >> was that incredible? >> oh, my god, he is great. >> the thing about olympic hockey you can keep sending the same guy out there unlike the nhl. he kept looking over his shoulder saying who is next? the coach said you. he went out there six times. >> sam stein, you're a connecticut guy. a lot of connecticut people here. i didn't realize a connecticut man. that is like the epi center of olympic hockey! >> jonathan quick.

>> from my hometown and connecticut produces a lot of great hockey players. one question for willie. did you bring back any fashion sense from johnny weir? >> johnny weir is a superstar. he dresses well and incredible on tv. he had a different outfit for every day. he became the most searched thing on yahoo! ahead of any of the other athletes tara and johnny weir. >> speaking connecticut a couple of years ago. he was telling me how shocked he was, like these kids, like starting at 5 or 6 years old. >> they all love hockey. >> their parents drive them to hockey at 5:00 in the morning and at 9:00 at night. i couldn't figure out why. and then i guess -- wow, it's crazy. >> shout out to the richfield tigers. my nephews play year-round every

day of the week. >> they are obsessed. >> where is jen? >> she decided to stay in sochi. >> jen was there. where is jen? >> in london. >> she's in london. >> on vacation? >> yeah. >> so she went to sochi. >> we miss her. >> that's fine. >> she had a big job over there. she was working the costas show. >> oh, really? coming up on "morning joe," connecticut governor dannel malloy and chuck todd. michael haney has the issue of "gq" and russell wilson will be here on the set. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back.

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john dingell is announcing his retirement plans and step down as the longest serving member in the history of the lower chamber. the 30-term democrat says he is retiring because of partisanship. he says i won't be carried out feet first and don't want people to say i stayed too long. john dingell, mike barnicle, came in in 1955. dwight highsisenhower was the president of the united states. a remarkable career. he was there longer than senator byrd. >> longer than robert byrd. in his congressional career spanned so many of the great

progressive movements of this country and, of course, john dingell coming from michigan. strong labor guy. >> yeah. >> the labor movement, its arc, its entire arc, its strength when he first came into congress to just a few days ago when the uaw lost that vote down in tennessee, he has had an extraordinary career. always been there up front fighting for working people. >> and now we hear his wife debbie is thinking about running. let's do the next story for t.j. t.j., i think, is in disney right now. >> the orlando sentinel is raising prices for the second time in less than eight months. it will now cost $99 for adults and children over the age of 10 to enter disney's magic kingdom in orlando. up $5 since the last hike in june of last year. admission will rise $4 at epcot and animal kingdom and hollywood studios to $94 for a single day ticket.

>> wait. t.j. is in the control room. are you looking at me? it's always safe to assume he's at disney. >> i like universal studios better. >> i thought he was in that space, what is that coaster that i went in? got a headache? >> i don't know. we are going to move. >> no disney. >> that is very 1978. move on now. "the san francisco chronicl chronicle". mark zuckerberg says whatsapp, what is up? the 19 billion evaluation is controversial to the gap. zuckerering said the whatsapp is the most engaging app he has ever seen. >> let's bring in willie geist. >> mike barnicle has whatsapp on his phone. >> that allows you to text anywhere in the world? >> if you can see it.

>> and call on the cheap. >> wow. >> stuff like that. >> yeah, okay. it's killing us. >> i don't have a phone. >> something is ringing. >> your phone is killing us, mika! >> it's not my phone. >> you have a phone in your bag, on your wrist. >> we will work out our tech issues. >> oh, it is on! >> mike, how is it going down there, pal? >> welcome to the world of samsung! >> let's talk a little shop, shall we, mr. mike allen? tell me about dave camp, please, focus. house republicans worry a new tax plan could earn them a lot of enemies and has no chance of passing and some people say what is the plan and why take it up if there is so many downsides? >> it seems the republicans when they get on a roll they found a new way to shoot themselves in the foot or someplace else and a lot of republicans think they are doing that again. no way tax reform is going to pass this congress. something complicated and hit a

lot of constituencies. yesterday, tomorrow, they are putting out their plan to simplify rates and to cut back some of the goodies that are in the tax code. they are doing it because the chairman who has been working on this and has been writing it for years, david camp leaves office next year, and he didn't want all of his work to go down the drain. republicans are telling us this is the vanity of one chairman putting this out and it's going to cause them all kinds of problems. not only are the cuts and the people who get hurt in this plan, not only is it going to hurt some endangered house republicans but also a lot of donors in -- well, in gas industry, in real estate and financial services, who are going to be hit by these changes and this just inflames them. it's causing a lot of trouble for republicans at a time when things were going well. >> mike, you anticipated my question which is how much of this is about big donors which, obviously, it's a lot. you're going to hit industries that are giving money to a lot

of these guys. how dave camp's go nowhere tax plan could make headaches for the gop. mike allen, thanks so much. >> have a great day. >> where is this picture here? >> of who? >> of barnicle, man. >> call joe and the picture will come up. >> what are you talking about? >> i say it's good to be back. you don't get this. >> because we were so unfocused without you and now you've brought back our laser focus on the news! >> look how awesome you are, mike! >> hold on. hold on. get it? got it? >> got the phone number? >> take this up. look at mike. >> that is me! coming up next, michael sam, a tough day at the combine yesterday. we will show you how he did when we come back. when you order the works you want everything. an expert ford technician knows your car's health depends on a full, complete checkup.

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joe." time for a quick burst of sports. we have all been talking about michael sam, the former university of missouri player and first openly gay nfl prospect and a lot of people waiting to see how he would do on the field after this. at the nfl combine yesterday, the s.e.c. codefensive player of the year ran the 40-yard dash in 4.91 seconds which is not very good. he had a broad jump 9' 6" and

expected to be to be selected in the third round of the nfl draft. in the bench press he was near the bottom of the list. we say this only because he's a great football player but there were questions before any of this news came about his sexual orientation about whether he could play in the nfl. so he is going to have to overcome some of this stuff that happened yesterday. >> 4.9 doesn't cut it in the nfl. if you're the best defensive player in the s.e.c. there is a place for you in the nfl so he'll find his way. coming up next, south carolina state representative bakari sellers will join us at the table. we will be right back with more "morning joe."

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here with us now democratic south carolina state representative and candidate for south carolina lieutenant governor, bakari sellers. good to have you on board. >> thank you for having me. >> how is the bingo, man? >> it is amazing. getting out and meeting new people and shaking hands across the state. the most amazing experience i've ever had. >> and campaign is looking good right now? >> right now. i believe we have an opportunity to make history. i think we are going to win. it's dell an uphill ballots but we believe our mission to be true and just. >> yeah. ? very good. >> we are going to read from "the washington post" eugene's column. gop poor mouthing the minimum wage. the cbo estimates that cancelling across the board in spending would preserve 900,000 jobs a year. democrats have been trying mightily to get this ill-conceived and gratuitously harmful budget cuts repealed. republicans given their newfound

concern about workers surely now will concur that spending must be restored. give us the jobs of the jobs lost hiking the minimum wage but republicans wouldn't want to stop there. am i holding my breath for boehner to untrail the stimulus act of 2014? of course not. the gop's sudden commitment to job creation is a sham. just like it's professed snroot faith in the cbo numbers. far right opposes raise is the minimum wage on ideological grounds, not because of some commitment to full employment. >> would you care to comment on that? >> i golf eugene. he is from my area so i have a great deal of respect for him. in south carolina we have to balance the concern of our small businesses and our employers and manufacturers versus those who work every day and trying to make a living.

i can say that i disagree with raising the minimum wage to $10$1 $10 .10 immediately. i have to make sure i'm not isolating my manufacturers coming to my district and doing everything we can to make sure our employers are happy and we are stimulating our employers." so what is the answer? >> first of all, it's very difficult to tell a small employer in a small business they have to go from $7.25 to $10.10. with the strains that they may have it's very difficult to do. but then again, it's hard to tell a family you're going to make a living op $7.25 an hour. there is some middle ground and i think gradual implementation thereof may be what we need to look at. >> sam, you have been living on $ $7.25 an hour since you worked for arianna. >> stop it! >> arianna!

>> where is she right now? >> she's in seoul. >> she is in. >> yes. >> i didn't know that. >> if you call her cell phone, he would be like, hello! i am in uganda right now. how are you? >> she is always moving. >> always. somewhere exotic and different than controversial. >> sam, do you have a question? >> what? do i have a question? well, sure. actually, i'm curious. you mentioned, this for the representative. you mentioned obamacare one of the things the small businesses are dealing with and a reason maybe not to go quickly into raising the minimum wage. i just want to step back. i'm curious. what are you hearing on the ground in your area with respect to health care act? is it going over a little bit better than when it was unveiled and how are small businesses justifyi adjusting? >> it is going over a little bit better than when it unveiled.

when healthcare.gov rolled out it was an epic failure but all of those things have been remedied. i'm a firm proponent of expanding medicaid in south carolina. my hospital recently collapsed. >> a lot of governors are. >> unfortunately, people in our state have put politics above actually governing. so right now, what we are trying to do in south carolina is push forward this expansion of medicaid is first and foremost. we are meeting a great deal of resistance but we are trying to make sure that people understand what the act is. and make sure that people in rural south carolina have access to quality health care. >> mika, you agree with gene? >> with gene's article? i totally think the republicans are doing what gene said. i do. i think it's a complete ridiculous -- it sets up everything that we saw in front of the white house from governor jindal who is talking about waving the white flag of

surrender. >> it's not possible that we could actually have our own separate belief system from you and your friends? is that not possible? >> do you think the minimum wage should remain as is is? just curious. >> i think states are doing a pretty good job in adapting to the realities there. i don't think it should jump up to $10 an hour. >> do we agree for a minute? did you? i like that. >> i do. >> i don't think it should jump up to $10 an hour right now. again, not because i'm worried -- that is the thing. you know, democrats, like, have this cartoon. or people in the media have this cartoon image of us somehow we don't want rich corporate guys to give up -- no, it's not about that. it's about the working poor. it's about the people who are going to lose their job. it is, again, charles crud hammer put it best. the fact is in large part this is a transfer from one poor

american to another poor american. there is a better way to do it. gene, this is my problem with what gene said that job creation is a sham for republicans. no, that's what we're singularly obsessed about. >> yeah. >> that is the one thing we are obsessed about. >> what you just talked about listening to small business centers is exactly -- i think you telegraphed there the balance that they are trying to make. small business centers are the majority of employers in this country. >> not only that but they also drive our economy. >> right. as they rise and fall, so does the economy. i think you're going to do great in your state, that sort of i think very sophisticated understanding of -- >> i think the litmus test is main street america and especially in small town. come to denmark south carolina what was a flourishing main street and now you have a bunch of empty buildings. we can't say we will jump and do this. i do go home and i see people every day who have a hard time and have to make those decisions

about whether or not they will pay for their prescription drugs. >> a hard time? a hard time? on minimum wage? >> more than a hard time. >> you think they are struggling to pay for their prescriptions? they are not getting their prescriptions! >> they are not getting their prescriptions, correct. >> they are not getting anything. they can't live on the minimum wage. hello, people! this is a ridiculous argument. >> that is why i say graulged gradual -- >> i would say, bobby jindal and others, find a different stit. south carolina state representative bakari sellers, good luck with your campaign. we will talk about the back and forth and forth yesterday with the white house. keep it here on "morning joe." she's kind of special. she makes the whole team better. he's the kind of player that puts the puck, horsehide, bullet. right where it needs to be. coach he's a great passer. dependable. a winning team has to have one. somebody you can count on. somebody like my dad. this is my dad.

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♪ put your metal hand in mine there ain't a mountain we can't climb ♪ ♪ i got you babe >> welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle, nicole wallace and thomas roberts at the table. editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. we are remembering a legend really. you were so upset when you heard the news he had passed. >> he is a legend actually. we had somebody on here who is known for high art in the movies and he had decided that he was going to do a really dumb movie and follow up to a really dumb movie. we said are you embarrassed? off air. a lot of people say that

you're -- and his response was, you know what? when i go see kids that come back from a rock. >> walter reed from iraq and afghanistan, nobody is asking me about my important work. jeff daniels. i talked to him about "dumb and dumber." and they laugh. i see all of the things that i've done, i can put a smile on people's face. thomas, harold ramis, you look. "animal house." we have stam stein on. i don't know if he was alive when "animal house" came out in '78. >> you know double secret. most of my friends and others were on that in college. >> just extraordinary. i understand you're a massive "caddyshack" takfan? >> also "stripes" and "animal

house." "caddyshack" i can recite lines from that for days. i love that film. i have got the gopher. it dances with me p.m. i'm not embarrassed by that. i will own that gopher for the rest of my days. >> gene robinson, we do something along here, in our culture, the way that we recognize people with the academy awards and the golden globes. you know, a guy like harold ramis is a guy who the academy would no more -- maybe we will put him up for best picture or golden globes, et cetera. you go on and on and on. yet, at "wall street journal" wrote yesterday, i talked about last hour, if the people, if the people actually decided who won academy awards, harold ramis would need a truck to back it into his house. >> yeah. >> because he is just -- he's created these comedies that have been such a big part of our lives. it's a shame that now we are

talking about him after he passes away. he should have been hearing this day in and day out. >> right. when was the last time we were talking about harold ramis and his incredible work? these are some of the most enduring movies i think of our time really. they have lasted this long. people are going to be laughing at "ghostbusters" and "caddyshack" and "animal house" for decades to come. you know, so now i'm sure hollywood will be recognizing him but it would have been nice had they done this while he was alive. it would have been nice. >> mike? >> well, you know, harold ramis was that you added to life. movies are a different animal. we all have all of these instruments. we get movies on demand at home and you move a clicker and you can go to 14 movie channels on your tv set or whatever you have in your house, your big screen. movies are a commitment.

you leave your home, you get in the car, you drive to a theater. you pay for a ticket. you walk in and then you are in the world of harold ramis whose world was pretty simple. it was to entertain you. and that is what he did. he entertained us for over three decades. that whole second city ensemble out of chicago was truly remarkable. what is regrettable and you and gee eluded to it on academy award night they will have the mandatory clip showing the faces and some voices of all of those actors who have been lost this past year to death, claimed by death. harold ramis will be one who will get an extraordinary round of applause, but the work he does has been so rewarding. the jeff daniels story. it has been so rewarding to so many people. it's very hard to make people laugh, to make people smile, to make people feel good about themselves when they leave a movie theater. >> popped in a dvd yesterday at

the governors meeting of "cad e "caddieshack" and they would have come out and been unifieun >> chuck todd, i'm not so sure about that. to the dewey cox story, his role in, you know, "knocked up." >> we don't have to talk about the dewey cox story. i think some work -- but, wait a minute. can you imagine when harold ramis would say "the new york times" called him an alcoist? only "the new york times"! like they can somehow make a comedy less funny. >> chuck, that is good. >> he would be reorganize about how "the times" talked about him this morning. my great memory from "animal house" the first movie i ever

saw on beta max! my parents rented it and i was like, oh, man, i can't wait and beta max! can you imagine wang that sucker in beta max? "animal house" was the greatest discovery. >> some of those buttons were so heavy to stop it. you had to have two hands to push the button down to stop it. >> just to get the whole thing in and push it down! push it down! >> my family actually bet on beta max. we lost. >> we lost. we still have it in the garage. >> i'm not sure where ours is. >> what was the big one? >> the vcr. >> no, laser disks. >> i missed that one. let's get to some other news this morning. new polling shows governor chris christie has taken a hit in the approval ratings. but even with the scandal dogging him in new jersey, he still more popular than some

fellow governors in neighboring states. some of those have been quite critical of him. 49% of registered voters in new jersey approve of the job he is doing in office. that is down. who just squeaked? was that chuck? >> gene. >> i'm going to blame chuck. >> here we go again! just stop it! >> chuck, 20 points from last year. maryland's governor mark o'malley 45% approval rating and martin has been attacking him for years now and wants to be the next president. "the wall street journal" article pointed out this month that connecticut's governor dannel malloy who is here later on never reached 50% in the quinnipiac polls. chuck, i guess everybody last night was breathless as you look at certainly the local news around here. everybody was breathlessly talking about what a horrific position he was in. i was sure he was in his 30s. i know he has dropped 20 points but he is a republican in a blue, blue state.

we have a lot of investigations coming and may yet get into the 30s and the 20s. but i think some of the hyperventilating is not warranted this morning. >> there is something bigger going on in that i think -- there used to be a halo effect that all governors had in compared to washington and we have actually noticed this over the last year. there is no governor in the country that is just, you know, with an exception of one or two that i i'm actually drawing a little bit of a blank on, maybe terry branstad in iowa have bigger numbers. there's not a lot of governors in this area. where the voters are upset at politicians in general, it used to be governors were sort of accepted from that. they were sort of left out of voter anger. they are not this year. i've noticed across the board the governors in the best shape for re-election are struggling to get to 50% job approval.

>> i think, chuck, to your point, i think there is a reason for that. more than ever before, governors who were on the line every single day. governors have a direct impact on people every single day. presidents don't. governors do. so in order to sustain the fiscal responsibilities of your state, a governor might have to put a penny on a gas tax. i hate the governor. the governor might be a victim of a storm. the parkway is clogged with trees. i hate the governor. >> yes. >> but more than anything, i think the combined effect of state and city pension funds and the worry that so many people have about pensions, state employees, city employees, governors pay a price. >> i don't disagree. i think if they are getting hit all over. and -- but i also think that governors have become more partisan. i think a lot of them had actually tried to stay above the partisan fray. i feel as if the polarization that has hit washington that had been staying out of the states,

i feel like they have -- look at what happened yesterday between bobby jindal and dan malloy. >> we saw that. >> to me now grand you saw mary fallon and john hickenlooper err not having a conversation like that. this polarization and partisan war fare has gripped washington and the two parties nationally i feel like that disease has been caught by the governors. >> everyone is talking and looking ahead to -- >> wait a minute. gene made a noise during that. >> i was making a noise actually in agreement with joe. i think these numbers are better than what i would have expected for chris christie if you told me a couple of weeks ago he would be at 49 and still above water, given all that's happened in the sort of heat of this scandal. i think he is doing pretty well. >> chuck? >> especially with -- again,

with the news cycle. the left has been focusing on him like he is a president, like he is a republican president. >> something they said that i thought was interesting is they understand that it's structural. so the democrats in the new jersey state legislature have hard-wired their attacks into some of the national media outlets, the print outlets first, "the new york times." they have a direct line with their attack with christie and "the new york times" and then by cable outlets all over the country. >> there have been some issues with "the new york times" coverage. >> but forget about whether the story is fair or not. there is no other state democrat or republican legislature that is hard-wired with partisan attacks into "the new york times" newsroom which then feeds network news and cable news. no other democrats in the country enjoy that kind of access to communications. forget about -- >> started by "the wall street journal." >> right. i'm not exempting any national media. i'm saying there is no other --

i'm not saying that. >> yes, you did. >> i'm saying no other state legislature is so able to access national media outlets so instantly as the new jersey state democrats. >> right. but the main thanks for so many liberal publications have launched on to this is thanks to the "the wall street journal.." >> i think they found the abc network news. i'm not making a partisan point here. i'm saying the access to national media outlets is exceptional for new jersey -- >> chris christie was getting all of this attention, chuck todd you're a big new york fan. because he had this proximity to new york city. now he is getting -- if he were in north dakota or utah, people wouldn't be obsessed. mike barnicle would be saying he's a governor from beijing because he is actually west of the hudson river. so much of this does have to

do -- >> i think he is the alchemist of governing. >> he got the attention because he was a player, a contender for the republican nomination potentially and he got a love fest in the media, just like president obama did in the beginning as well. you know, when this story happened, it's a real story. i think a lot of reporting has been legitimate and it has to be covered. there definitely is a furver or a joy in some of the facts that have unfolded and some of them haven't panned out. >> the polls show the voters are actually more patient. >> the voters are waiting because they are not very dumb. okay. with a wide open race for president on the republican side for 2016, there is increasing interest in potential contenders like former florida governor jeb bush. bush spoke about his family name and how it could be a potential

issue if he ever ran for the white house. >> we had a bush. then a clinton. then we had a bush. then we're going to have a clinton? then he turned to me and then he goes, and then we're going to have a bush? so i get the point. i get the point. it is something that if i was to run, i'd have to you know, overcome that and so will hillary, by the way'. >> oh, my god! 25 years later! again, a clinton versus a bush, nicole. is it going to happen? you worked with jeb. >> i think a lot of people hope it will happen as we were talking about chris christie's future getting a little more uncertain. i think a lot of republicans hope jeb will run. this point about hillary and jeb both facing the same obstacles as old name in politics is very real. i don't know if people talk about it too much in mixed company but certainly the republicans gather amongst themselves there is a lot of angst whether the bush name could endure another national

run. >> i think it's tough in the primary. no doubt about it. >> chuck, do you think this is jeb bush being self-critical and self-aware what it means it carry the bush name even though he comes into it with a completely different skill set, a policy set from florida that is uniquely his own? >> well, look. i'm with joe, though. i think this is the irony is that his last name is a bigger problem in a primary than in a general. that is going to be, i think, the hardest obstacle for jeb to get over in his head. i mean, i've talked to a lot of people who say jeb is very serious this time. this is -- he's not just throwing his name out there as a place holder. he is looking at it very seriously. he is talking to a lot of donors. he wants to have the -- he wants to have the room to make the decision about whether to run. but in a primary defending the bush name is going to be something that i think will be more frustrating to him. in general, once he gets through that process, i think it's less of an issue in a general

particularly if he is facing hillary clinton. the issue ends up neutralizing each other on. the idea of being a bush republican is a negative in a republican primary and, you know, jeb is not going to be looking forward to defending his brother's record. of course, the whole thing is just amazing to me. by the way, bill clinton today is campaigning in kentucky and think about this. 22 years removed from when he got elected president, bill clinton is still relevant in american politics 22 years later. this would be if ronald reagan had been the chief surrogate for republicans in the 2002 mid terms. >> it's crazy. >> just think about that. >> jeb said yesterday he looks forward to campaigning for the republicans in the mid terms. he is old fashioned in that way and focused on the next election so he is in commademand on the campaign trail which speaks to his power. >> gene, thank you for inspiring a great debate last hour. >> i heard it. my ears were burning!

>> boxing and going after it, man. >> everyone check out gene's column online and in "the washington post." eugene robinson, thank you so much. >> we love having you, gene. thank you. >> we will see you at 9:00 a.m. on "the daily rundown, chuck todd. >> i want to be the al chemist f msnbc today. >> i have to look that word up if we are going to keep using it. >> that's true. our next guest says america isn't just poised for an economic recovery but poised to dominate the century. you're watching "morning joe." [ park sounds, sound of spray paint ]

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we are going to think positive this morning as we talk about this book. joel, welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> good to have you on board. >> nbc news/"wall street journal" poll came out a couple of weeks ago and they asked how many americans were pessimistic. how many were excited about the future. there were 3%. i have been saying i am the 3%. >> yeah. >> for the reasons you're talking about here, we are poised for an economic explosion over the next ten, 15, 20 years. that could last throughout the century. you're talking in this book about what i've been talking about a couple of months on the show here. it's exciting. explain why. >> it's really happening. what is so important people ignore the creativity in the united states. if you walk around the kendall square of boston, cambridge, you will see the future taking shape whether it's biotech, software, computers. the world would give anything to have that center in europe, in

china, but we have ten of those. we have them in california, we have them in north carolina, we have them in texas. nobody equals that. at the same time, we have energy that it's just making its way into people's consciousness and it's vast. we have been able to access it. it's also cheap. that is going to fuel our growth and it's like taking the industrial might of the united states and putting saudi arabia on top and that is going to give you a picture of the kind of wealth we are going to create. then manufacturing. it is coming back. it's coming back different. it's coming back much more automated but it's coming back very strong. >> by the way, even before we were talking about this energy revolution that is coming, that is going to make us the number one producer of oil by 2020 according to "the wall street journal" and a lot of other industry analysts, even before that point, people like jeff immelt who just so happens to run the largest corporation on the planet said, hey, this outsourcing thing that everybody

has been so crazy about, we at ge and a lot of other ceos don't think it makes a look at sense because we want to get our products to people as quickly as possible. when we build them here, those points of creativity you're talking about help us develop faster. we are more nimble. we make better products and we get it to people in a week instead of putting it on a ship and taking it from china over -- there's so many things breaking in our direction. >> absolutely. it turned out that moving all of that industry out of the united states was just a bad business decision. >> it was bad. >> and companies are waking up to that. plus, they have to on ship stuff to the united states with expensive oil on. we have cheap natural gas here. >> yep. >> so we are going to be energy independent. we have tons of capital in this country. >> energy exporting. >> we have tons of capital in this country for new businesses. we have creativity. we know that. with this new economy and new

emerging, according to this book and i hope you're right and you're right. >> i am right. >> there is an optimist. see? >> where are the jobs going to come from? what kind of jobs are they going to be and who is going to fill them given our educational system in this country? >> well, first, you have to look at unemployment. it's been very, very concentrated and it's been concentrated in people without experience and people who have not gone to college. that is our -- all of it is focused there. if you have a college education, even during the worst days of the great recession, it didn't change. those people went through the recession just fine. so we have to do something in terms of people who don't have the education. that's going to come because that is infrastructure. those people nail buildings together, they build roads, bridges, and so forth. they have been out of the loop but they are going to come back. >> talk about the skilled labor force that we need. because there is a different section, a component there is the educated class of america

and then the skilled labor force of america and you talk about the creativity you see in boston. the watches and joe and mika are wearing which are really cool, but not many of us could ever make. so how do we conquer and divide to be able to send people in the right direction? there we got a new deep. >> just got a text. >> to send our youth in the right direction to know where to nest? >> the two biggest problems we have are education for in terms of primary, secondary education. we have to tackle that. but people aren't sitting still. everyone is aware of that. people understand they have to do that. we have a lot of experiments going on and -- but it has to yield something soon. and the other issue is that we have this great wealth divide which we also have to focus on and figure out. but the two are very, very linked because it's education that drives income and that is where the problem is. so we have to focus on that

early education as much as we can. >> early education and voc-tech like they are doing down in tennessee. >> right. >> that is so important because we are going to need skilled laborers and people that are able to do -- >> yeah. >> and by the way, you're not talking about 20,000 dollar jobs. a lot of those jobs are 75,000, up to a hundred thousand dollar jobs that need to be filled over the next decade. instead of just saying, oh, i want my son to go up and go to harvard or blah, blah, blah blah, a lot of people don't want to do that and we need voc-tech training as much as we need engineers. >> we need community colleges. that's where a lot of the future is going to be built because you're not going to be able to run these new factories without a college degree or at least without an associate's degree. that is really important. but if we can do that, future is unlimited for us because we are going to be, again, the

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yes, he did mention the minimum wage repeatedly to us. what i worry about this president, the white house seems to be waving the white flag surrender after five -- more than five years now under this administration. the obama economy is now the minimum wage economy. i think there are things we can do instead of waving the white flag of surrender instead of declaring this economy to be a minimum wage economy. i think america can do better. >> i just -- one second. until a few moments ago, we were going down a pretty cooperative road. you just heard of what i think ended up being probably the most partisan statement that we have had all weekend. i don't know what the heck was a reference to white flag when it comes to people making 404 dollars a week.

that is the most insane statement i've ever heard, quite frankly! >> no, no, no. >> let's be very clear! we have had a great meeting and we didn't go down that road! and it just started again and we didn't start it. thank you. >> i'll take my 30 seconds. i will take my 30 seconds. wait, wait. i'd like to respond just quickly. if that was the most partisan statement he has heard all weekend, i want to make sure he hears a more partisan statement. i think we can grow the economy more if we would delay more of these obama care mandates. up next, connecticut's governor dannel malloy joins us fresh off his white house sparring match with republican counterpart. "morning joe" will be right back. across america, people like basketball hall of famer

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joining us now from hartford, connecticut, the governor of connecticut, dannel malloy. how are you doing? >> i'm doing great. how are you? >> are you at my stomping ground wvit? >> you know where i am. actually, it's a different building but it is your old stomping ground. it's great to be here. and i've been watching and listening. >> how has it been going for you? >> you know, things are good. you know, we are seeing job growth. we have cut -- >> no, when you heard us -- when you heard us talking about you, what did you think? >> first of all, i love you guys. i want you to be a little more positive about the world. for the last couple of weeks, you know, i've watched tv and ready to slit my throat. you guys don't see anything good in anything! come on! >> that's not true. >> the economy is growing! >> we were just saying some really good things about harold ramis and we said this is going to be the next american century.

but let's talk about yesterday, man. that was something. that escalated quickly outside of the white house. you're hanging with the president and all of the governors and then, suddenly, wow. >> boom. >> what happened? >> well, i mean, listen. first of all, i'm an educated individual and went to boston college. i know what the attack is. it is baseless. to equate talking about the minimum wage with the white flag and somehow we are becoming a minimum wage society is ultimately ridiculous. now let me point this out, that the governor is the governor of the state with the third highest poverty rate in the nation. he should be embracing raising the minimum wage. there is a reality that 60% of people who collect the minimum wage are women. let's lift women out of poverty. there is a reality that only 12% of the people earning the minimum wage are teenagers. it's a nonargument. we have to make sure that we are moving this country forward. i believe that today's labor is

worth at least as much as it was in 1968, adjusted for inflation so let's get there. >> governor, within the white house, before you came out for the beef tsunami between you and bobby jindal at the driveway, when you were sitting around the table in the white house, when the minimum wage came up for discussion, if it did come up for discussion, was there a consensus, did it seem to you, that the governors, other governors were in favor of raising the minimum wage? >> i think if there is not a tv camera in the room, they are all in favor of it. they understand the significance of it. most of us made the minimum wage at some point in our life. i certainly remember that. here i'm sitting in connecticut. most babysitters are making more than $10 an hour. the day labor, stuff you pick up on street corners was $10 ten years ago in the state of connecticut. the real is we have too many people living in poverty. let's lift people out of poverty. nobody in this country should work 40 hours a week and still

live in poverty. let's go back to who is doing this. 60% of the people collecting minimum wage are women. let's lift women out of poverty! there is a study out there, by the way, this is a problem in our country. there's a study out there that shows that over 30% of tellers in banks from the largest institutions to the smallest of institutions have to rely to federal programs. let's allow people to get out of poverty and live a decent life and be good, strong americans and raise good, strong, american families and what we should be talking about and not the white flag of something or other. >> you make an interesting point about louisiana. it's one of several states in our country that does not have its own state minimum wage. louisiana, south carolina, mississippi, tennessee and alabama ranks when it comes to the tie for the federal minimum wage. you in connecticut right now have a minimum wage of $8.70 and in january of 2015 that is going

up to $9. how have you been able to stay on the curve when it comes to minimum wage workers? >> we haven't always been ahead of the curve but we are making progress. this last january 1st, we raises the minimum wage and want to get to dozen 10.10 by 2017. that will raise people out of poverty who are working 40 hours a week. that is what we are trying to do. but, by the way, when people are making more money, they are not buying stocks on wall street. they are spending it in the grocery story. they are paying their energy bill and making sure their kids have books to read. so what we are also saying is it's good for the economy to have people earning more money. this is a little bit economics 101. >> governor, it's nicole wallace. we had a democratic congressman on from south carolina said he opposed raising the wage to $10 bo .10 it would put a hardship on

mall business owners. do you worry about anything harm small business owners or or do you feel they don't need protection from obamacare or raising the minimum wage? >> that congressman wanted to cut food stamps as well, right? >> he did not. he's a democrat running for lieutenant governor in the state of south carolina. he had a more balanced approach. my only question is do you ever hear from -- i'm a connecticut resident and i love the state but do you ever hear from connecticut small business owners who have any concerns about obamacare about raising the minimum wage? >> i don't hear much about obamacare because a lot have gone to the website to buy their insurance. we have the most successful rollout of obamacare in the nation. we have 135,000 folks who have purchased their policies through our network. that is, by the way, already well in excess of what our

numbers were supposed to be by march 31st. i think there is a good chance we will double or numbers by march 31st and a lot of that is, in fact, small business. and, by the way, it's the right thing to do for our economy. if you talk about what is wrong with our economy, we spend too much on health care. that is one of the things. now we are bending the curve and small business gets it. >> governor, joe here. also a constituent of yours. a couple of quick questions about connecticut. i haven't checked lately. what is the unemployment rate and how is connecticut doing on unemployment? >> unemployment rate is coming down in connecticut pretty much consistent with the nation. we were higher than the national average and we are not coming down month by month pretty much in step. so we started at a higher place and we are making progress. >> what is the challenge? quickly, what is connecticut's historical challenge over, say, the past ten years when it's come to job growth? >> we didn't -- we didn't -- hey, joe, we didn't make the

changes that we have made the last three years. we didn't make them seven years before that, quite frankly. people were running up the debt. they were hiring more people than government needed to do the job. we had too much regulation in the state. i'm in the process of trying to strip out a thousand pages of regulation in the state of connecticut. we will have a proposal in the legislature very shortly to do that. we have taken about 11.6 billion dollars out of our overall state obligations. i'm pretty proud of that. we are growing about 43,000 jobs sense i became governor. not enough, by the way, because if you didn't get one, it doesn't make any difference how many you grow. we need a more robust growth. but we are learning. i guess, we are teaching ourselves in lessons. when i am became governor a 3.6 dollar budget deficit and july 1st, 550 million dollar rainy day fund and experiencing a surplus today. >> most importantly before we go, let's talk about gino and

the husky women. how are they going to do this year? >> the husky women i think aren't going to lose a game for three years. they are unbelievable. you know, you look at that team, you look at the talent coming to it. and maybe people in the rest of the country don't fully appreciate that. we routinely get 13,000 to 16,000 people out to watch a uconn basketball game. it is amazing. it's a great sport. you got to bring your daughter to one. >> absolutely. >> i will. i will. >> remember back in the rebecca lobo days. i did a package. on being a uconn husky fan. i painted my face. >> did you really? >> and did all of the stuff. had like the things that you buy. the whole outfit. >> how did that go? >> i was good at it. >> gino is incredible. >> it went very well. she has the job she has now. look at her. >> exactly. >> thank you so much, governor.

always great to see you here. we should mention -- >> good to see you. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. governor? >> no. i wish i was with you. they would have put some makeup on me and i would look as good as you people do. >> you look gorgeous. >> you look fantastic. you are funny and eloquent, unlike me. thank you for being here. >> so eloquent. >> we should mention we invited bobby jindal to be on the show but he is traveling but so we will get him here. coming up is michael hainey. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money?

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with us now, editor of "gq," here with the latest magazine. we're talking about lebron again. >> lebron. >> before we get there, i want to say, man, this new england look, baby, i'm sorry. i've been like dressing like

this since i was -- >> inspired by you. >> i know you were. >> i don't think so. lean over. what's going on? >> look at this. >> come back. come back. >> can i feel the side? >> it's like a chia pet. >> i'm so glad you're here. normally i get objectified. >> really, have you to get the side. ta's nice. >> i love lebron so much. >> it's like a flock of seagulls. right? >> absolutely. >> everything is going haywire. >> voice of reason. ♪ and i like it >> i think your hair is awesome. >> lebron james. >> head of the nba style.

>> don't the make eye contact. she's going to draw you in. >> we also have a list of the the best restaurants in america right now. >> really? >> yes. >> austin is the -- >> austin is number one. >> -- town. >> south by southwest. >> mr. south-southwest. >> i thought he was mr. austin city limits. >> you need to make contact with the sides. >> nicole got to touch the sides. >> let mika. it will end faster if you let mika touch it. >> there's a key restaurant. that's the number one. in new york, you have two restaurants. >> do you go to carlisle to get your haircut? >> no. in new york carbone.

if you're in chicago, nico osterina, restaurants. >> i've not been a huge fan of lebron, in part, because of the way he announced his decision. >> his decision? >> and the way he handled that. that said, man, that's the one pr mistake he made. he talks about it here. he has carried himself with dignity an awful lot. >> he doesn't regret t it's part of me evolving. i've moved towns. i've moved teams. i have every experience. he also loves akron. he went back to akron. he knows what it means to represent that city as well. it's not as though he abandoned where he came from. >> he's playing through a broken nose. >> he cannot be on the cover with a broken nose. >> there's photoshop, right? talk about that.

that's serious, obviously. painful. reset it right away and he's back to work. >> he's a great leader. that comes through in the piece as well. you don't win as an individual. you win as a team. even when he's looking -- he talks about -- he goes to someone on the team and sees a guy that's not performing well, it's about leading him and bringing him up. it's easy to see him as -- >> he understands it's about being the leader. >> unbelievable restraint. you never catch lebron on a moment in the court where he says anything but the most graceful -- in defeat and victory, he is the most graceful. >> a quote from the piece where he talks about never knowing his father and growing up without a father and wondering, you know -- he sort of says had he had a father and a white picket fence, he might have been someone else. >> kate morrow.

>> "house of cards." >> don't want to give anything away here. >> naked. >> oh, that's not her, but that's a naked body. >> wait a second. you have a "house of cards" -- >> we have kate morrow. there we go. >> beautiful. >> see? >> that's before episode one. >> this is like a prequel, right? prequel shots. >> right. >> oh, my lord. >> show them the -- >> i don't get this what's this? >> that's an advertisement. >> what's this? it's not hot. we need to be guys and girls need to be girls. interesting. >> it's well-done, a two-page

ad. you draw in and it looks like a magazine feature. >> all right. >> great cover. great story about lebron. >> and the league of extraordinary gentlemen. >> mika was saying we need a profile in "gq." >> absolutely. >> come by the studio. >> you guys should stand up one morning. it's good to stand up. >> we're actually going to do a treadmill and have a ping pong table and do some standing up segments. we forgot to tell alex. >> okay, great. t.j., quickly, can we turn and get a side profile shot, sort of the halo effect as we say good-bye to michael haney? >> straight up and it's not gelled. >> it's beautiful. >> great hair, baby.

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good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 am on the west coast, as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set, we have mike barnicle. you like my phone, mike? >> i do. >> okay. nicolle wallace, i'll call you from my wrist, nicole. and in washington, sam stein. >> "the wall street journal"

wrote late last night that it's impossible for 20 years to talk to a young american male without referencing some work that, from "animal house ", "ghostbusters" to "stripes." i could go on and on and on. he was not only just a comic genius for our time, a man that didn't get a pile of awards from the academy or anybody else, but as "the wall street journal" said, if the people gave out the awards, he wouldn't be able to have them all in his house. just a lovely, lovely man. >> left hollywood. moved to chicago, where he was from, back to chicago. continued to make movies up there and including the "analyze this" movies. he made movies, to your point,

joe, that moviegoers, people who leave their homes, pay for a ticket, sit in the theater loved to go to because they were enjoyable. they were funny. they were well scripted. they were goofy. a whole range of comedic elements in harold ramis' movies. he wrote, directed and acted in some of the films. >> there's something very important i forgot to tell you. >> what? >> don't cross the streams. >> why? >> it would be bad. >> best thing that ever happened to me. >> i'm the best thing that ever happened to you in. >> yeah. >> now i just feel bad for you. >> license to kill by the government of the united nations, man free to kill -- you must know your enemy. in this case, my enemy is a

varmint. >> we might as well have a good time. toga, toga, toga! >> what's the matter with you? we never discuss mr. beaty's health outside the family. you know that. sit down. sit down. do you want a fresh one? ♪ there ain't no mountain we can't climb babe i got you babe ♪ >> workd with the comic greats and made them greater if he wasn't the greatest himself. >> willie, one of those movies, "animal house" in '78, '79. but groundhog day, seen it 1,000

times. >> keeps building. beyond cult classic. if he had one of these movies, he would be a legend. if he had just made "vacation," if he had just made "caddyshack," he would be a legend. he had six or seven that put him at the top of the greats. not just as a filmmaker but as a mentor, how he invited him into his home, taught him about movies and life. these guys loved him. >> the other element here is the impact, the huge impact. >> bill murray's still here, obviously, still performing. the long list of people. >> and, of course, talks about being a writer. director, also an actor. he had parts in so many movies,

"ghostbusters," "orange county." how they were going to be making fun of the ray charles and johnny cash movies, the dewy cox story. and he was trying to explain the concept to me. they're two movies, i don't know if you noticed, joe, they're the same movie. it's ray charles and johnny cox. we're going to do the dewy cox story and sure enough they did. >> seth rogan's father in "knocked up." >> funny is funny. >> sam stein, how old are you now, 17, 18? >> 14. i just turned 14. >> and he thinks he's funny. ramis -- >> we used to watch those movies. obviously, those were called classics for me and my friends,

"animal house," "caddyshack." the clip of him in "knocked up," he was so subtle, but good as an actor, monologue about fatherhood. >> and i have to point out that was all ad libbed. seth rogan sits across him and harold ramis just starts going. >> very funny movie. harold ramis pass add way yesterday after a four-year battle with a rare autoimmune disease, 69 years old, survived by his wife and children. young. >> very young. we're going to move on to other news now out of washington, sort of. the president and vice president met the governors in d.c. >> oh, great, governors. willie and i were talking about this last night. he brought back some old russian cigars. >> oh, nice. >> do you know what we said? >> the governors always get it

done? >> they cross the -- they're not concerned about it. >> they hug, comb each other's hair. >> they were in washington to talk about the big polishes. >> they love each other. >> particularly the economy. the president even joked about the next resident of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. take a listen. >> i enjoyed watching some of you with your eyes on the office, sizing up the drapes, and each other. >> it was nice. i mean -- >> it was nice. >> that laugh. >> chuckles. by all accounts, i didn't think it was that funny, guys. cordial and productive. but then something happened. >> what happened? >> out of sync with everything. the news conference that followed outside. >> oh, yeah. >> because the governors go

outside and talk about all the wonderful things that happened inside, right? >> and then the president comes and says the same thing. >> goodness, great to see you. >> it didn't go that way. >> yes, did he mention the minimum wage repeatedly to us. this president seems to be waving the right flag, surrender after five years under this administration, the obama economy is now the minimum wage economy. i think there are things we can do instead of waving the white flafg surrender, instead of declaring this economy to a minimum wage economy, i think america can do better. >> one second. until a few moments ago, we were going down a pretty cooperative road. you just heard what i think ended up being probably the most partisan statement that we've had all weekend. i don't know what the heck was a reference to white flag when it comes to people making $404 a

week. that's the most insane statement i've ever heard. >> no, no, no, no. >> let's be very clear, we've had a great meeting and we didn't go down that road and it just started again and we didn't start it. thank you. >> take about 30 seconds. wait, wait. i would like to respond just quickly. if that was the most partisan statement he has heard all weekend i want to make sure he hears a more partisan statement. we could also grow the economy more if we delay more of those obamacare mandates. >> okay. that -- what's the famous line from -- willie, from "anchorman." >> it escalated quickly. >> escalated quickly. >> what was that? >> i don't know. we have a guy who is covering governors his entire professional career, i think six or seven months, sam stein. obviously, bobby jindal may have

his eyes on higher office. he has been head of the rga. speaking for republican, a lot of republicans there, dannel malloy, one of the more progressive governors in america. they went after each other. >> i have extensive experience covering governors in about half a year now. >> yes. >> and that's about as bad as -- no. i have no idea what bobby jindal was talking about. i'm still not clear what the white flag of surrender is. from a strategic standpoint i guess it makes sense because when you want to punch in politics you want to punch upwards and he found himself in a fight with the white house, which serves his own personal political agenda. this is supposed to be traditionally a bipartisan, post partisan affair. it was deeply partisan right outside the white house. governor malloy asked what was governor jindal referencing when he said the white flag? >> i'll try to explain it to

you. so this started, i think, another governor introduced the very interesting way of thinking about this. democrats and the president talking about income equality and chris christie talked about income equality. philosophical differences in that raising the minimum wage doesn't give people more opportunity it's just admitting and acknowledging that the economy isn't working for all americans, which we all know it isn't. i worked for president bush and i don't really remember democratic governors calling off the partisan differences when they visited the white house. i don't remember democratic srnts doing that. i don't remember democratic -- >> but bush raised the minimum wage, too, right? >> we're talking about bobby jindal's behavior. that's what this whole segment

has been about. >> what do you guys do when you would have all these people -- >> it's certainly appropriate when you're in the other party to draw a policy -- >> oh, dear lord. democrats like harry reid -- >> would i have given him the advice to sound so harsh? no. it certainly is legitimate policy to -- >> what if harry reid -- >> called him a liar. >> and jay rockefeller and all these other people -- >> called him a war criminal on the lawn. >> they would, would they? >> of course. >> they would walk outside. >> and inside it's oh, thank you, mr. president. we're behind you. we've got to go out there and be tough, wink, nod, and go out there and call him a liar and a war criminal. you can't stand on the president's yard and highlight the difference in policy sincere ridiculous. >> chris christie has taken a

hit in approval ratings. >> has he? >> this is horrible. >> wait a minute. >> no, no, no. there's a worst ever. >> what? >> and everybody last night on tv, this shows just -- he's dead. >> must be in the 20s. what happened? >> he's dead politically, even with the scandal, though, dogging him in new jersey -- >> yeah? >> wait, wait. >> what? what are the numbers? >> he's still more popular than a lot of those democratic governors governing in neighboring democratic state whose have pounded him nonstop for five years on his policy. 49% of registered voters approve what he's doing in office. >> that's good. >> that's down from last year, obviously. but, hey, as blood, sweat and tears said, what goes up, must go down. if you're in the 70s you're not going to stay in the 70s. >> what about the governor? >> who are the two governors who have gone after him the most? dannel malloy, good friend of

the show up in connecticut, and martin o'malley, who has made it an industry to pound chris christie. >> and national democrats. >> how are those governors doing? >> let's see. in maryland, martin o'malley, who is going to run for president -- >> oh, wait a minute. chris christie's are better. why are all the headlines saying that his approval ratings are plummeting? >> i don't know. >> i thought i heard someone on the news going nuts like bad news for chris christie. i sat up straight what's going on? must be something new with bridgegate, like some big connected thing. >> chris christie is still more popular as a republican in a democratic state that went for barack obama by double digits after being hammered nonstop by people who have been obsessing in a very entertaining way over the past several months. he still has a higher approval

rating than martin o'malley. as a wall street journal pointed out, dannel malloy's approval ratings have never been that high. >> i like dannel. >> i do, too, but he has been hammering chris christie nonstop. >> well -- >> and, you know, he's at 47% in an old quinnipiac poll. isn't this interesting? >> it's connecticut. >> in connecticut. >> governor of arc stau, in connecticut. >> that's what i'm saying, in connecticut and in maryland, the most democratic state. >> all you have to do in connecticut is let it rain and keep the lights on and you could be like an 80% governor. if it rains and my lights stay on -- >> exactly. >> it's not hard to be popular in connecticut. >> while you were gone -- >> we missed you. >> this old sandra bullock role. >> while you were sleeping. >> while you were gone, every day the bloggers would be, you

know, scandal, chris christie, eating the cheetos. and at night, this is the worst thing ever. >> as you were going through that story, i left almost a month ago. >> it's been nonstop obsession. >> nothing has happened since. >> except for the obsession of the media on the left going after chris christie, and he's sitting there with higher approval ratings. >> falling 20 points is not nothing but if you're falling from 70, that's a pretty good place to be. >> i take issue with obsession. a story is a story is a story, and you're going to cover it. he can get interested in this story. bill maher, who is aligned with a lot of the places focused on this story called it an obsession. >> it's been a total obsession. let's not pretend. it's been a total obsession. let's now go to our washington

obsession correspondent. sam stein. obviously, like willie said, dropping 20 points ain't nothing. this guy is a republican in a democratic state. he's still sitting at 49, 50%, depending what poll you look at. we have investigations. we'll see what way the investigations go. but still, he's holding pretty firm when you compare him to a democratic -- >> i see your point. >> why, thank you, sam. >> a lot of governors would be -- are envious of having a 49 approval, 46 disapproval. the context is obviously important, too, which is where he started. i think it's been a relentless -- i wouldn't call it obsession, but a relentless couple of weeks of coverage for chris christie. the question is, when does it e end? you get the sense that it's petering out now but more documents we produce -- >> there is that possibility. there's also the possibility

that shows up on a flying saucer in central park. >> there's a greater possibility or probability of the former than the latter. >> i don't know. >> that's the question. is this the end of the drip or not? and i think until we figure that out, we can take a snapshot in times square. >> are we going down to spring training? >> i would love to go down. >> when are you going down, mike? >> march 13th. >> can you ask larry if we can go, too? >> can you go any time you want. >> really? >> yeah. >> i would love to. >> have you ever been like -- >> no, not barnicle style. >> i have. i used to all the time. >> sam, let's go down. >> absolutely. >> this is how you know when you've got a problem, right? i had a dream last night,

seventh game dodger and red sox, 7-2 lead and -- >> we held the lead, didn't we? >> it was 7-6. we won 7-6. that's a problem. we're in, what, february? >> we want to see the first pitch, by the way. >> long nine months. >> it's going to be a long nine months. how are you feeling about the yankees offseason? >> i feel good all of a sudden. >> do you? >> brian mccann. we went back to the yankee way. the old way. we tried it the other way and -- >> i love it. >> that's the yankee way. coming up on "morning joe," facebook spent $19 billion on what's app. >> what is that? >> and mark zuckerberg says it's actually a bargain. that's ahead in the morning papers. plus new details in the arrest of the world's most wanted drug lord. how the manhunt took

investigators on a chase through the mexican sewer system. speaking of sewer systems, perfect segue. >> that's what she said. here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> you guys are all over the place. did you see baltimore, washington, d.c.? snow coming down right over the top of the city. this is just the beginnings of a winter-like period there. that's the camera from wrc, our nbc station there in the d.c. area, maybe half an inch out there. air temperatures are still pretty warm at least as you look toward the capital and the the white house, no problems there at all. arctic air is obviously here. it will be here to stay for at least the next week. the thing is, what and when is the snow going to come? obviously it's cold enough. look at these windchills, 1 in chicago, 11 in boston. 33 in international falls. the forecast today, some light snow showers around denver. there's a big storm headed for the west coast. that comes into san francisco on wednesday and thursday. another storm on friday. those storms will go across the country.

and it looks like possibly snow and ice for the ohio valley, great lakes and the northeast by the time we get to sunday into monday. this could be a very good rain for areas of the west, who need it because of the drought. harold ramis, famous for so many great movies out there. including one of my favorites with bill murray. "morning joe" will be right back. >> this is pitiful. 1,000 people freezing their butts off waiting to worship a rat. what a hype. groundhogs used to mean something in this town. they used to pull the hog out and used to eat it. you're hypocrites, all of you! you got a problem with what i'm saying, larry? untie your tongue and you come out here and talk, huh? am i upsetting you, princess? you know, you want a prediction about the weather, you're asking the wrong phil. i'll give you a winter prediction. it's going to be cold. it's going to be gray and it's

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raids on his houses. he use ed sewer tunnels to avoi being kptured and found him in bed with his wife at a beach-front condo. >> that's how they get you. john dingel is announcing his retirement plans, will step down as the longest serving member. he is retiring because of hyper partisanship and the nature of today's congress. he says i am not going to be carried out feet first and i don't want people to say i stayed too long. john dingell, though, mike barnicle, came in, in 1955. dwight eisenhower was president of the united states. 1955. he has worked with 11 presidents, thousands of members of congress, myself being one of thousands, which i've always

been one of dozen. and it's a remarkable kreerks longer than senator byrd. >> longer than robert byrd. his congressional career spans so many of the great progressive movements of this country. coming from michigan, strong labor guy. the labor movement, its entire arc found its strength when he came into congress to just a few days ago when the uaw lost that vote in tennessee. extraordinary career. always been there, up front, fighting for working people. >> yep. and now we hear his wife, debbie, is thinking about running. >> yeah. >> let's do the next story for t.j. >> "orlando sentinel," disney is raising money for the second time in eight months, now costing $99 for adults and children over the age of 10 to enter the magic kingdom.

it will also rise $4 at epcot and hollywood studios for a single day ticket. >> t.j. is in the control room? it's always safe to assume he's at disney. >> i like universal studios better. >> i thought he was in that space -- what's that coaster i went in, got a headache? >> i don't know. space mountain? >> disney. >> very 1978. we're going to move on now. "san francisco chronicle," mark zuckerberg says whatsapp is worth more than $19 billion. largest acquisition to date. the acquisition is comparable to the gap. he says whatsapp is the most enga engaging app ever seen. >> let's bring in now, willie,

the most engaging reporter we've ever seen. >> no doubt. please focus. new tax plan could earn them a lot of enemies, has no chance of passing. what is the plan and why take it up if there's so many down sides? >> willie, seems like republicans, every time they get on a roll, they find a new way to shoot themselves in the foot or some place else. a lot of republicans think they're doing that again this week. there's no way that tax reform will pass this congress, something complicated, something that will hit a lot of constituencies, yet tomorrow they're putting out their plan to simplify rates and cut back some of the goodies that are in the tax code. they're doing it because the chairman who has been working on this, who has been writing it for years leaves office next year and he doesn't want all his work to go down the drain. republicans tell us this is justify the vanity of one chairman putting this out. it's going to cause them all kinds of problems.

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joining us now super bowl winning quarterback of the seattle seahawks, mr. russell wilson. great to see you. >> great to see you guys. >> great to have you here. >> just a couple of weeks off this game where you shocked everybody by running over the denver broncos. that game was a toss-up to most people going in. were you surprised the way you ran over them? >> the thing for us is the way we prepared. the way we prepared all season, we had a champion offseason. the team weiss play on a regular basis, 49ers, cardinals, rams.

we were ready. we brought it. we were a young team but coach carroll got us ready and that's the way we played come sunday night. >> that game wasn't close. and not just you guys -- your offense played great but your defense sht down arguably the greatest passing quarterback of all time. >> we have so much respect for peyton manning, all the great things he has done. we had to bring our a game. we brought that, for sure. we brought our a-plus game. >> that game was over in about six minutes. >> yeah. >> you mentioned pete carroll, your coach. vindicated to you, he always gives you the impression when you're watch him or if you know him a little -- you know him a lot -- that he he's always going to take you guys to dairy queen after the game for ice cream. the sense of exuberance. talk about, if any, there's a spill over on to the team. >> the thing about coach carroll, second or oldest coach in the nfl. >> is he really? >> you would think he's the

youngest, the way he's chewing his gum and running up and down the sideline. it transfers over to the rest of our coaches, players, fans. it's pretty exceptional. we prove that every sunday. it's been an unbelievable experience for me so far. me and him are really close. it's a great relationship between me, coach carroll. >> you look at teams that have won the super bowl over the past five, six years. next year, not good. i mean, you go back 2008. pittsburgh missed playoffs. '09, new orleans lost in a wild card game. green bay lost in a divisional game. ravens missed the playoffs. so what do you do to avoid the sophomore jinx? >> thumb a curveball and change it on them. >> why is that? you know, when i was growing up and you probably weren't even born, you had the steelers who were like would win 14 games. they're 12-2. now tampa bay is 0-14.

now everything is so competitive, right? >> for our team, it comes down to our owner, paul allen and our gm and coach carroll getting the right players in there. we have unbelievable players across the board. that's the difference between our team and everybody else for the most part, is the level of play that we have in our first string, second and third string guy sincere unbelievable. we show that and bring the energy, compete every day and have a lot of fun while doing it. we're still one of the youngest teams in the national football league. >> the parody is comparable going from the '70s to now. everybody is 8-8 now. >> they've succeeded in bringing parody to that league. one of the things that interested me, we'll get back to this side of the table is, again, the coaches. jim harbaugh and pete carroll, the tension convention between the two of them. >> tension convention. there's a tension convention between harbaugh and everybody.

>> did that play any effect at all? >> i'm not sure it's there or not. the media play ace big role into that. the biggest thing for us, we want to beat whoever we play. it doesn't matter who we play. that's the thing for us. that's the difference between us and a lot of teams. it's just our energy that we try to bring, fire, the way we play and practice on a regular basis. >> what do you think about the combine that's going on and you're just shy of six feet. some have criticized that you're not big enough to be the qb. are you an inspiration to guys that might be more relational to your stats that aren't the old steelers guys? >> being 5'11", i want to be able to change the game. it doesn't matter if i'm 5'11", 6'6". >> 5' 11 3/4". >> so you're 5'11"? >> yeah.

>> do you tell girls in bars you're 6'1"? >> i don't tell them anything. >> you don't have to, actually. i always had friends who say they're six feet. i said, dude, if you tell everybody you're six feet, they know you're 5'10". tell everybody you're 6'1". >> i'm doing just fine. >> doing just fine. >> i've learned how to play the game. the big thing is, you can play, you can play. play in the national football league, it's not easy. the biggest thing, especially being my second year, i'm still learning. constant quest for knowledge. enjoy the game and just play the game the right way. be consistent on a regular basis. >> the second year, it's crazy that he's only been around two years. >> i know. he's already one of the faces of the league n a lot of ways you've paved the way for johnny

manziel. i'm not sure before you came around we had that example. has to be 6'4", 230, pocket pass er. you showed now that a guy like johnny manziel could be a great quarterba quarterback. >> i always watched drew brees. great human being, sbon oon and the field. going to the pro bowl last year, in my rookie year, just being around him and talking to him, trying to learn as much as i can from a guy like that, who will be a hall of famer. >> talking about michael sam, at the end of the day, the guy comes in your locker room. you're not only interested, are you, is he going to help us win or is he not going to help us win? >> when i step into the huddle of the seattle seahawks on game day in the super bowl playing in new york at metlife stadium i'm not worried about giet is white, black, if he is christian or

jewish or whatever the situation is, where he came from. only thing we're focused on is winning football games and one goal. as long as that guy can doing everything he can on the field in terms of just getting ready to play the game and just showing up come game day, that's all we care about at the end of the day. especially for the seattle seahawks. >> it's funny hearing that answer. that's the answer you hear from almost every nfl player. almost 86% of them polled says they would have no problem with it. the media wants you guys to be upset with it and you're not. >> he was very courageous to come out and talk about it. you have a lot of respect for somebody. >> did you think there's nfl players who are big stars right now who are looking at what's happening to michael sam and they're going to miss the boat and let a potential rookie get this historic thunder? >> i'm not sure that anybody is worried about that or not. it's courageous for him to do that. if that's the case, you never

know. you have a lot of respect for him. and it's one of thoig those things, working for one common goal, to win the super bowl. did that this year. if he's on our team, you know, i know we'll treat him with the utmost respect, like everybody else. >> you mentioned your owner, paul allen, doing something cool with microsoft service right now. >> i'm running around with microsoft service, talking about microsoft and how it's affected my life and just how much more productive i've been because of the surface and what it's done for me. i can watch nfl film, i'll be on the sidelines flipping through third downs in the red zone. >> isn't that crazy? >> watch the film and all that. also i'm a business mind-set type of person. i'm always writing different ideas so it's basically a computer. everything i could possibly do on it. i can also skype with my friends and family back home and all that. i'm an east coast guy, being on

the west coast. >> mika and i have used the surface before. it's great. >> it really is. >> it really is. so, anyway -- >> hey, i had a question for you. are you going to run for president or what? if you run for president, me and you ran today, we could win. >> you would win. >> i don't know. >> i couldn't beat barnicle. come on! come on! again, i'm still hoping mike, one day, if i stick around long enough, will make me commissioner of matronly baseball. >> mike is going to make you the commissioner? >> he has friends. he knows people. he knows a guy. congratulations. way to go. >> he dodged your question, by the way, for the record. tap dance. >> congratulations. >> danced right around it. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> all right, man, thanks. what's driving today's market? cnbc's sarah isen has business

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so the independent gone's proposed cutbacks will amount to over 100,000 fewer active troops in the army. as jim miklaszewski reports, it's being met with. >> reporter: glued to pentagon's speech on military budget cuts leaving one cadet to rethink his plans to join the army. >> it means i'm not going to get paid as much, potentially paid as much and they might not even want me as a pilot. >> reporter: they could slash up to 90,000 soldiers from the army, down to the lowest level since preworld war ii. the cold war u-2 spy plane would also be taken out of service. chuck hagel stressed that cuts are necessary to deal with today's tight budgets and a changing battlefield. >> this plan balances the need

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welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we've learned today. what have we learned, thomas? >> new jersey voters. chris christie is still doing better than most people. >> yep.

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