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wage. >> here's the test, josh. do the republicans support the doubling of the earned income tax credit in the president's budget? >> they should. >> that's the big test. put it aside about calling the cards opt table. thank you very much. that is all for this evening the. raiched mad do you starts right now > thanks to you at home for joining us this hour, we have an exclusive story tonight out of texas. something that is happening in text tonight as we speak. we are reporting this here at this point, nobody else in the country has this story except us. i'm going to explain that news in a moment. but it relates in a way to the headlines that you may have already seen today out of texas, the political news out of texas is about the primaries that just happened there. the big national headline out of the texas primaries is george p. bush, of course, jeb bush's son and george w. bush's nephew, he avoided a runoff and became a
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republican nominee for land commissioner in texas which is a powerful job in that state. hey america, get ready for more bush family politicians. also, the two members of congress who were facing tea party challengers in their primaries, john cornyn and pete sessions, those veteran republican legislators fended off their challengers from the tea party, and that, of course, must be a relief to them. but tea party candidates did do pretty well in some other races against other incumbent republicans running at the state level in texas, that's what happened on the republican side yesterday. on the democratic side, what happened yesterday was already really interesting. it's kind of a good news/terrible news kind of a day for democrats in texas. the good news for texas democrats is that it was smooth sailing for wendy davis and laetitia van depewt who are the democratic party's chosen and so lid candidates for governor and lieutenant governor in texas. that was the good news for texas democrats.
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then there's also the terrible news for texas democrats. in the united states senate race, so in the race where democrats are picking who they're going to have run against john cornyn, that is where we get the texas democratic party nightmare news, the relatively low profile but mainstream democratic front runner for that u.s. senate race is this is guy, his name is david alameal. he did not lose the democratic primary for the u.s. senate race in texas last night. he also did not win. he has now been forced into a runoff in the electoral equivalent of the bar scene from "star wars." he can't just head into the general election and start running against john cornyn in the fall. first, he has to go through another election where it is him against alarusy. lyndon larouche candidates tend to run against democrats sometimes but there's nothing about them that has to do with
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the democratic party. they're more like the westboro baptist church fred phelps people than anyone else in electoral politics. you may have seen their obama is hitler posters and all the rest of the stuff that they do. the whole cult lyndon larouche cult and conspiracy theory story is a story for another day. but the fact that the texas democrats could not get their u.s. senate candidate over the hump to avoid a runoff with the beyond the nutball lyndon larush everyone's hitler fringe, that is not a good sign for texas democrats at a time they're trying to convince they're going to be a real force in that state. there are a bunch of states that went all red that had complete republican takeovers in the last few years. republicans won more seats in state legislatures than any time since 1928. and that huge republican tide in 2010, it sealed complete republican control of the legislature and the governorship and a whole bunch of american says the. one of the things that we have covered intensively on this show, is what the consequences
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of that have been specifically for reproductive rights. social conservative issues are not all alike. the culture war is not being fought on one big right wing front. on gay rights, for example, gay rights in the states and federally, have sort of been on the march these past few years, all across the country and as gay rights have advanced all across the country, it has fractured the republican party on that issue along the way. on the issue of abortion, though, it's been completely the opposite. republicans have become 100% unified against abortion rights against reproductive rights and access to abortion over the past few years. and since 2010, republicans have used their control in the states to roll back abortion rights more than at any time since roe versus wade. that's true from virginia to wisconsin to ohio to michigan to tons of states all over the country. it is not true of texas, texas is not on that same time frame as the rest of the country. texas went first essentially.
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texas did it before everyone else thought it was cool. republicans didn't wait until 2010 to take over texas like they did in all those other says the. republicans took over texas state government completely after the 2002 election. and in texas, like the rest of these states did almost a decade later, once republicans got control of the state government in texas, they used that control to immediately start going after reproductive rights and access to abortion. after winning everything in the 2002 election, republicans got sworn in and took control in 2003. the first omnibus anti-abortion bill was passed in 2003. that bill established a waiting period for texas women who wanted to get an abortion and also restricted the types of places where abortions could be obtained in the state. that was 2003, as soon as they got in power, they passed that bill. then in 2005, texas republicans passed another anti-abortion bill. in 2007, they tried to pass another anti-abortion bill, interestingly they failed that year. in 2009 they tried again to pass
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that same anti-abortion bill and failed but it wasn't for want of trying. in 2011 they did pass that bill. it was the forced ultrasound law in texas. governor ultrasound, bob mcdonnell of virginia, now indicted on 14b felony counts of corruption, he's the governor who got famous as governor ultrasound. he's the governor who got famous for his forced ultrasound legislation. he and virginia were not the first. first was texas in 2011. the texas legislature meets every two years and basically every two years since republicans have taken over, they have done what they could to pass new limits on abortion rights in the state. 2003, 2005 is, 2007, 2009, 2011 with the ultrasound bill and then 2013, the most sweeping omnibus anti-abortion bill in the state yet. the compounding effect of those laws already had been to make abortion very, very difficult to get.
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and very, very difficult to provide in texas. the second most populace state in the country. but the most recent law, the law passed by texas republicans in 2013, the one that wendy davis made her national name for herself and set up her gubernatorial bid by opposing with her very last breath is different than all the rest. in texas, they have made getting abortion not just hard, but in some places in the state, they have made it basically impossible. >> what you've seen with these cumulative restrictions, in 2011 there were 44 facilities in texas providing abortion. in october off 2014, there were 34. there was a reduction. in november of 2013 it went down to 22. which is where we're at right now. >> 44 clinics down to 34 clinics, down to 22 clinics.
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that was amy miller running a handful of abortion clinics, started doing so right about the time that texas republicans took over and started passing laws to shut down as.clinics as possible. the state keeps just piling on new requirements year after year after year, they're not just on the clinics, they're on people who want to obtain that service in texas. new requirements, new expenses, new hurdles to jump through, new delays, all for women who want to get an abortion in texas. and they're having to get them with all of those new hurdles and delays and expenses, from fewer and fewer and fewer clinics in the state. and you combine that, and the results have been stark. their results are predictable. texas is a state where 60,000 abortions happened every year, now that it's becoming increasingly impossible to get
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one legally, to get one within the medical system, women in texas haven't just stopped having abortions, women in texas are now doing them themselves without doctors. >> we're also seeing more and more women take matters into their own hands and this has been well publicized that people go over the border, they get medication 0 try to self-induce abortion. sometimes they'll come to us afterward for an ultrasound to see if they're still pregnant. sometimes they'll be actively bleeding and we'll refer them somewhere where they can get a d & c. we saw an increase in self-induction at the end of 2012 and we've seen an even greater increase right now. with flea markets, with crossing the border, the sad thing is the misuse of the medication, you know, that something that is actually pretty safe, women could really do harm to themselves by not knowing what to do because they're not getting professional medical advice or care.
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it's heartbreaking for some of the physicians i work with who are highly trained to provide safe care. and then their hands are tied now. it's almost difficult for me talk to. i have compassion for the listener, you know, when i describe some of the stories we're hearing. i so want them not to be true, you know? we have seen women putting things into their vagina, trying to dilate the cervix. .
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2012. those who have seen it say that it is damning.
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according to mcclatchy, the report details how the cia misled the bush administration and congress about the use of interrogation techniques that many experts consider torture and also shows how the techni e techniques did not not provide the intelligence that led the cia to the hideout in pakistan where osama bin laden was killed by navy seals. of course, we do not know what is in this report. it remains classified even though it was finished in 2012. we may never know what is in this classified report. where it's held up right now is at the cia. it was finished at the senate and sent to the cia fornaire vetting before it was be partially declassified. that's where it stopped. john brennan responded with a 122-page rebuttal. he challenged specific facts from the report, he challenged the committee's conclusions about the effectiveness of the spy agency's tactics. that's not the explosive stuff that's just broken about the cia tonight. according to new reporting, the
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cia has not been merely reacting to the senate intelligence committee's reporting. according to this new reporting, it's believed that the cia may have been spying on congress spying on the by accessing the computer networks that the cia themselves provided to the committee to use during their initial investigation. "the new york times" is reporting that the cia spied on congress, specifically on the senate committee that's supposed to have oversight of the cia. this is kind of death of the public kind of stuff, the whole separation of powers thing almost pales in comparison to the seriousness of the allegation that a nation's own spy services have been turned against its own government, particularly where the government is supposed to be overseeing the spy services. it appears in this letter sent from senator mark udall to
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president obama yesterday. he says in the letter, "the cia has recently taken unprecedented action against the committee. i find these actions to be troubling for the oversight responsibilities and for our democracy." well, the cia's inspector general, the internal watchdog at the cia, now is investigating these accusations that employees of the cia were spying -- alledgedly spying on members of congress. for the record, cia director john brennan has issued a vehement denial of these aldations an saying "i am deeply played that some members of the senate have decided to make allegations that are wholly against the facts. where wrongdoing if any occurred was either in the executive branch or the legislative branch. until then, i would encourage others to refrain from outbursts
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that do a disservice to the important relationship that needs to be maintained. it's also being reported today that the inspector general at the cia is not just looking into these matters, he may have made a criminal referral on these matters to the department of justice, so these potentially could be prosecuted as criminal acts by employees of the cia. joining us now is mark missetti. he's the national security correspondent at "the new york times" and the author of the way of the knife, the cia and the war at the ends of the earth. thank you very much for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me on. >> i want to ask you, big picture about the seriousness of these allegations, it seems to me as a layman observer here, that's a very usual of congress to allege that an american spy agency has been surveying on congress itself. is this an unprecedented allegation? >> it's been called unprecedented. you laid it out well, what you
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had for several years was this dispute between the cia and the intelligence committee over basically the history, who writes the history of this extraordinarily controversial program that took place during the bush administration. but what we've seen is, it's really escalated from there, it's gone to this issue of separation of powers, congressional oversight, how independent is congress in overseeing is intelligence agencies. that's what makes it really a much bigger deal, certainly in the eyes of congress whether they can conduct their own oversight independent of the cia. there seem to be two issues here, one is the constitutional issue i described, which is whether congress can do its work independently, and secondly, was there -- were there any criminal acts here, did anyone break the law by spying on or monitoring congress's computers. and that's -- that's one of two issues at stake here.
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>> from your reporting, is it possible for you to tell if it is technically feasible, whether the cia would have been in a position to monitor computers that were supposedly secure, that were being used by congressional investigators to put together this report? >> you referenced earlier this facility in virginia, that the committee staff was using to review the documents, that's what the center of this episode, the committee staff was granted access to this facility as a way to pour over millions of classified files, they were given new computers and told that they had secure access. it's our understanding that in recent weeks or months, the cia did a search of those computers used by the senate intelligence committee in order to find out who may have gained access to specific files related to the interrogation program. and basically at the heart of it is, the cia was trying to find
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out where the senate got access to a certain internal review of the cia by the interrogation program. >> we've seen some pointed questioning between members of the senate intelligence committee and john brennan and others from the cia about whether or not there was that internal cia document they had never disclosed. senators seemed to indicate that they knew it existed even though the cia wasn't really owning up to it in the terms they were being requested about it. if this is the way it happened, if the cia did without authorization look at those computers to find out what senate investigators were looking for on those computers or what they had access to, is it clear to you that that would be an illegal act by cia staffers? >> well, i talked to law professors today about where would it be? and it centers around something called the computer fraud act of
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1986 which in part prohibits government employees from gain agunauthorized access to other government computers. the real question, though, the facts aren't out yet to be able to answer the question is, who's computers were they? we think that they were the cia's computers, but were they set aside so that only congress, only the senate committee had access to them, and, therefore, was it inappropriate or even unlauf for the cia to do the certainly. the law professors i spoke to said, basically, until we know more, you can't make a determination about whether there was a crime committed. and so that's what we're going to have to keep following in the coming days. the constitutional question is already out there, and that's what i think is going to end up being more significantly, really politically because it really gets to the relationship the committee has with the spy agencies and, in a democratic administration, how much a democratic controlled committee
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is going to lean on president obama to change things, change the business of the cia. >> yes, and structurally, regardless of the partisan politics here, is congress capable of exerting not just oversight but in some ways control over an intelligence agency that by design operates in secrecy with very wide latitude. there has to be some oversight that people can trust. fascinating story. mark, thank you very much for helping us understand this tonight. i appreciate your time. >> sure, thanks, rachel. fully half the people watching this program right now, believe that mark was made to cough by the cia. in this segment. we'll be right back. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans we'll be right back. that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer.
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when access lanes on to the world's busiest bridge were shut down on orders from a staffer in new jersey governor chris christie's office in order to enact some sort of still unexplained political revenge on ft. lee, new jersey, when that happened, allies of the governor tried to cover up the fact that they had done it. they concocted a cover story, saying it wasn't a political vendetta that made them shut down that bridge, it was a totally innocent apolitical traffic study. they didn't do it for some still unexplained political reason, they did it for a traffic study. it wasn't a traffic study. for a long time they tried to get away with saying it was.
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nothing to see here. nothing to see here. by the time bill baroni appeared before the new jersey legislature in november to sell the legislature on the idea that it was a traffic study, that whole attempt at a cover-up had already pretty much been debunked by then. it was almost two months before that testimony when the head of the port authority was quoted in the media as saying, not only had he never heard of a traffic study, no one else had either. not little officials, not local police. the wall street journal quoted unnamed sources saying, there was no study. that was the environment in which bill baroni had to convince everybody that there totally was a traffic study. so when he got pressed at that hearing on who specifically had the idea for this supposed traffic study, he named names. >> why september? what transpired to have somebody say we ought to look at having less lanes for ft. lee?
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>> as i said in my opening remarks, at some point in late july, members of the port authority police spoke to david wildstein, it was triggered by a conversation in late july. >> who were these police officers that raised the issue? >> the leadership of the port authority police. >> names? >> paul nunziato. >> evers the head of the port authority police officer's union. >> after bill baroni gave that testimony about the supposed traffic study being the explanation for what happened on the bridge, mr. nunziato, he was one of the only people who corroborated bill baroni's bogus story. when i new jersey lawmakers were calling bill baroni's traffic study an plains that was a fairy tale it was paul nunziato who stuck up for him. he raised his hand, took credit for that supposed traffic study that lead to the lane closures, he was right, he was telling the truth, there really was a traffic study.
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paw should know since it was all his idea in the first place. when the port authority executive director criticized what happened on the bridge, it was paul who said that criticism was a load of garbage. paul also helped bill baroni along with the other part of the traffic study cover story, which is that not only was there no political motivation for shutting down the lanes on that bridge, it was really an innocent traffic study. it was an innocent traffic study that caused no harm, nothing dangerous like ambulances being delayed or police being delayed. nothing bad happened because of that traffic study. not only was it not a traffic study, ambulances were delayed, and police were delayed. we know that the e-mail criticizing the bridge shutdown was not a load of garbage. what's more interesting than the fact that paul was wrong when he was trying to vance the cover-up
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is the fact that he so adamantly and publicly tried to advance the cover-up. he took credit for it. bill baroni said, hey, it was all that guy's idea, and paul said, yes, yes, it was all my idea. that was me. on the day that david wildstein resigned from the port authority, the chris christieie ally who arranged the lane closures, on the day mr. wildstein resigned from the port authority, it was paul who defended him. he was working on an issue that i brought to his attention, and it was turned into a political game. when people said it couldn't have been a real traffic study because the port authority engineers didn't know about it. paul said who cares about that, maybe they didn't know about it, because they [ bleep ] up everything. it was paul who said that anybody who believed the bridge lane closures were retaliatory in any way is a crazy person. if you believe that, his spokesman said i would suggest we're going to find hoffa's body
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on the leona helmsley in ft. lee. paul stood up not to just defend that story, but to take credit for it, it was me. until today. today paul nunziato took it all back. even though until today, he was said to be the origin of the whole idea for the supposed traffic study, today his attorney says actually, no, that was never true. this is amazing. he's told "the new york times," " paul nunziato had nothing to do with nor knowledge of the planning, implementation or closing of the access lanes. and about saying it was a load of garbage that anyone would criticize the lane closures, calling anyone who questioned the motives of the traffic study
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a conspiracy theorist, he was just trying to be loyal to his political allies. mr. nunziato's attorney said my client was trying to be supportive of people who were supportive of his union. as for all those things he said about the traffic study that he now admits didn't happen? he never intended to mislead the new explanation for the bolstering he did of the cover story was that those were just quote color full statements to the press. so after sticking by the cover story for months, after saying, this was a traffic study, i'm the guy who came up with the idea, now today his lawyer puts out a statement saying, oh, my god, you guys didn't really believe that, did you? all this time? there was no traffic study, and when he said there was a traffic study, he didn't really mean it. those were colorful statements to the press. he was trying to stick up for his friends, he fell in with a bad crowd. you shouldn't have believed that.
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today the cover story fell apart. the cover story advanced by the governor himself, advanced by the governor's allies, the cover story finally died, and here's the most interesting thing, what does it mean now for the investigation? that the most ardent defender of the cover story has changed his tune and now says he's going to start telling the truth about it. paul nunziato has been subpoenaed more than once already in the bay bridge gate investigation. as far as we know from publicly available documents, he's responded sewed far by saying he had nothing to turn over that was relevant to the investigation. in a statement provided to us tonight. he absolutely now disputes bill baroni's testimony about this supposed traffic study. and in the coming days, he will have much more to say. you ever heard people say it's not the crime that gets you, it's the cover-up? well, now, today, the guy at the center of the cover-up has given up the cover-up, has given up the cover story and admitted
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>> i still don't know whether there was a traffic study that morphed into a -- >> you still don't know at this point whether there was a traffic study? >> what i'm saying, eric, did this start as a terrific study that morphed into some political shenanigans or did it start as political shenanigans that became a traffic study? >> you know what, today that traffic study nonsense finally died. the cover story in the new jersey bridge scandal is now dead. joining us now is a reporter of new jersey's "star ledger" newspaper. thank you for being with us. >> always great to be here. >> so paul nunziato, the port authority police union lead ter who says that he came up with the traffic study idea in the first place now says, actually, i didn't. i was saying that to keep my friends happy. it wasn't true. how important is that? >> it's important. it does, as you say, it seems to undercut the whole premise of a traffic study, but i think it's quite a while since anybody
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thought there was any traffic study to begin with, particularly mr. wisniewski or senator weinberg who co-chaired the investigative committee. just as a point of clarification, i think what -- if you go back and look, baroni wanted to intimate that a traffic study was nunziato's idea, but i think what paul, the president of the union will tell you, is that he approached wildstein with some concerns about traffic, some concerns about whether or not you would improve the flow of the main approach to the bridge if you limited the local access to the bridge from ft. lee. i don't know if he would go so far as to say it was his idea to conduct a traffic study. >> well, now he says it wasn't his idea. >> right. >> and any intimations to the contrary were just him using
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colorful language to the press. it does feel to me that the cover story is dead so now we should start talking about really happened. mr. nunziato's attorney said his client will have much more to say on this matter in coming days and he will not continue to advance the traffic study idea. is he somebody in a position to know more about what really happened? >> paul is in that position, as the head of the police union, you know an awful lot about every aspect of the port authority operations, from the crossings to the airports to the ports. everything. and one reason why it was -- it seemed so important for david wildstein and bill baroni and governor christie to get on the good side of paul nunziato is when you control the police
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force of an organization, you have a pretty good hand on that organization from the very bottom up. and you know the guys who carry the guns. >> i will say that as this new leaf has just opened up in this investigation, mr. nunziato, mr. nunziato's attorney, any folks who are now wanting to talk about this who didn't before, we would love to have you here, as would steve from the "star ledger" newspaper. thanks for being here. nice to have you back. into you're welcome. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. honestly? i wanted a smartphone that shoots great video. so i got the new nokia lumia icon. it's got 1080p video, three times zoom, and a twenty-megapixel sensor. it's got the brightest display, so i can see what i'm shooting -- even outdoors, and 4 mics that capture incredible sound. plus, it has apps like vine -- and free cloud storage. my new lumia icon is so great, even our wipeouts look amazing. ♪ honestly, i want to see you be brave ♪ ♪ you know how painful heartburn can be.
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