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welcome to "the reid report." i'm joy reid. we have a packed show. we're heading to d.c. to check on the big conservative confab cpac, cruz, christie, ryan all appearing. and the gun debate gets going, in florida and on facebook of all places. all that and more coming up. but we start with breaking news. moments ago, president obama stepped into press briefing -- into the press briefing room at the white house to talk about the unfolding events in ukraine. while congress quickly works on an aid package today. and while the president today authorized sanctions against russia, crimea's parliament voted unanimously to join the russian federation. with the referendum on the decision expected in the next 10 days. something president obama violates international law. >> the proposed referendum on crimea
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if this violation of international law continues, the resolve of the united states and our allies and the international community will remain firm. >> now, shortly after that speech, secretary of state john kerry traveling in rome today spoke about the referendum, as well. he held out hope for a diplomatic resolution involving russia. also, that there was no gap between european allies on how to proceed. and for more, rego to stuart holliday of the united nations for special political affairs. give us a readout. you now have crimea taking a vote to join the russian federation. what does that mean, and what do you think sanctions would do in theory to halt that, or can it? >> sure, well, thank you for the opportunity. first, there are two options on
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this so-called referendum. one of them is an annexation to join russia. and the other one is a -- more of an autonomous plan where russia wins over the longer term anyway. so, you know, russia wins either way in terms of this referendum, which is why it's important to opponent out, as the president said, that it's unconstitutional. only a nationwide referendum under the current ukrainian constitution is permitted. so this really doesn't hold any water. on sanctions, you know, it depends on whether these are individual sanctions, freezing assets of certain leaders. obviously, a lot of russians in ukraine have their money outside of the country. they could escalate into really biting sanctions like those that might be focused on the energy sector. but either way, they would -- they would have impact, they would be over the longer term. >> but now, the question is, what can be gotten by the united states vis-a-vis sanctions and
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any other recriminations against russia. now you have a fundamental difference with russia insisting that yanukovych is still the legitimate leader. is there any daylight, any movement between the two? how does the united states possibly hope to get the russians to recognize a government they're saying is fundamentally illegitimate? >> well, what the russians are going to want to do is extract a price. they're going to want to have their bases protected in ukraine. they'll want to have the economic interests protected. and ultimately, they're going to want to play for, you know, an election where the russian majority in the ukraine could win at the ballot box. but they're going to try to set up a pathway for that that make it is very difficult, again, for the current regime, the ukrainian government, to function. and so, what president putin has done is to try to change the facts on the ground in the short
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term while we're trying to figure out what we're going to do so that he's got more leverage and can make -- he can make concessions over the next weeks without losing all of his cards and his interests there in ukraine. >> now, let me ask you about the united states and the european union. are they truly in lockstep as the president has tried to portray it, or is there any daylight between the positions of the european union, as dependent as they are on russia in terms of the energy needs, and the united states? >> i think they're pretty much aligned now. but as you know, the original frustration by the united states, which was revealed in these conversations with high-level officials several weeks ago, had to do with the fact that the europeans weren't doing enough to support the democratic movement in ukraine. this was an issue that was kind of delegated to europe to handle. and i think that now everybody's woken up to the idea that this is something which has very high
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stakes, and i think we're on the same page as the e.u. going forward on this. >> all right. stuart holliday, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> all right. and now to the united states senate, where yesterday vice president joe biden headed to the floor potentially to break a tie in what was supposed to be a very close vote. but it was anything but close. these seven senators, plus every single senate republican, voted "no" on the nomination of adigbile to lead the united states justice department. it's not that he isn't qualified. his resume is stellar. the native new yorker is the son of an irish mother and nigerian father raised by a single mom. he overcame poverty and homelessness and appeared as one of the adorable child characters on "sesame street." he became a key lawyer in the defense fund, the venerable organization, that since the 1940s has represented every
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civil rights case. it's the organization that gave us thurgood marshall. he argued two voting rights cases in front of the supreme court, and despite all of that, republican senator pat toomey of pennsylvania vowed to defeat his nomination, and he did, getting those seven democrats to go along, including chris kuhn, and heidi hide who sent out a memo saying, if there's one thing we should be able to agree on, it's that every american deserves the right to vote. it's one of the most basic rights but a right that's now under attack. civil rights. so why did they beat this nominee? >> it was 355 a.m. on december 9th, 1981, when 25-year-old philadelphia police officer danny faulkner was brutally murdered in the line of duty.
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>> a former journalist and black panther was eventually convicted and put on death row for the killing of officer faulkner, though then and now he maintains his innocence. 30 years after the original conviction, as head of the naacp's legal defense fund, he led a successful challenge to jamal's death sentence, getting it thrown out in 2011. so abuja malremains in prison for life. police unions in pennsylvania and nationally vehement loppose his nomination. toomey cited the defense of a cop killer as his reason for whipping those no votes. president obama called yesterday's vote a travesty based on wildly unfair character attacks. and msnbc.com's adam stur pointed out that the senate hasn't been so critical of lawyers who helped people considered beyond the pale. before he was supreme court chief justice, attorney john roberts did pro bono work
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defending one of florida's most notorious serial killers, ferguson, who was recently put to death, tricked his way into a woman's home, bound, blindfolded, shot eight people. six of them died. and then, while under indictment for that crime, he killed two teenagers who were on their way to church. john roberts participated in his defense against being executed. but that didn't come up during hearings to confirm roberts to the supreme court, because a pillar of our justice system is that everyone is entitled to a defense, and the lawyer who defends a criminal shouldn't be treated like one. jonathan tamari covered this story for "the philadelphia enquirer." officer
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this was more than filing legal beliefs. the leadership fund volunteered to represent him despite the fact he had a team of lawyers working for him, and not only did they volunteer resources but the press releases made it clear they view him as a type of hero to your point. one of the things that troubles people is that jamal did have sort of a celebrity around him, i guess you could, a movement. but he wasn't a part of that. he was an attorney doing what attorneys do. is there any reticence on the part of the legal community in philadelphia that he's now being essentially punished for the sins of his client? >> wealth, i've heard from some attorneys, not necessarily in philadelphia, but i've heard from some attorneys who say if you start punishing lawyers, then you're basically going against the fundamental right that's in the constitution. that argument certainly has been
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made. on the other side, toomey and the republicans who opposed him said that he should have stopped his subordinates from participating in the rallies and press releases, although notably they didn't cite anything he himself has done to promote jamal. >> this was a highly charged political case, because both senators voted against it, including the democrat. and the fraternal order of police sent a letter to the white house opposing the nomination. talk about the politics, not just for republicans but for
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this is a place where the police unions and other law enforcement communities going to have the most emotional reaction to it, the strongest reaction to it. senator casey is honestly, he just won re-election in 2012, so it's a long way off from another election. but it's very difficult for any senator to take a stand that might be seen in any way as siding with jamal. and i think for senators from other states, where maybe it's not as local, but a place like arkansas, a place like west virgin virginia, we could have what a lawyer's duty to do, but you
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know when an attack ad is written, it will say he sided with a person who is a cop killer. you can bet that was a factor in the way some senators voted yesterday. >> i believe some of the attack ads started going out yesterday. thank you, jonathan. >> thank you for having me. >> we're going to continue talking about this case with cherilyn who's worked closely with him. thank you for being here. >> i think that the white house was a little bit stunned, not so much by the republicans who
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voted against him but by the democrats. this seemed to start to go south on them this week, and part of it was pressure from national police organizations. what kind of a signal do you think that this sends to people who want to do things like what you do, what mr. dagbile does, work in the system, only to be punished later in their careers? >> it sends a terrible signal for young attorneys in particular who want to take on this kind of work. in every state and this country, there are attorneys that engage in probono work. that's the reason why, for example, chief justice john roberts, when he was a law
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editor of the grillo. a big round of applause for chris christie, not so much for mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. what's going on cpac? >> by far the favorite was ted cruz. the people i talked to were anticipating that speech. chris christie got a lot of applause, particularly when he criticized the media. that's not surprising. christie had a couple of lines of how we shouldn't let the media define our party. that got a lot of reception. cpac is+++b
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test test test jindal talked about abortion to say he's against it and emphasized that, but otherwise, it's part of a broader shift with the party. they're nervous about same-sex marriage. no one brought it up today, because they're not sure how to deal with it exactly. cruz spoke about abortion a little bit. in general, a lot of subjects avoided, mostly the focus on obama. interestingly, hillary clinton not mentioned at all. a lot of talk about her as a candidate. but the republicans are still aiming their attacks at obama right now and not looking forward very much. >> all right. summarized well by perry bacon. obama bad. republicans good. thank you, sir, for being here. >> thanks, joy. from cpac to spy games, the senators who watch over the
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spies are worried the spies are spying on them. the cia is investigating whether its officers improperly monitored members of the senate intelligence committee after allegations agents improperly accessed senate investigators' computers. cia director john brennan is calling the allegations unfounded.çç
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still ahead, reading between the lines. why a vigorous defense is exposing a double standard on the right. now, it's time for the stories you can't stop buzzing about on social media in a little segment we call "we the people," and many are talking about kyle carpenter. he's a retired marine corporal about to receive the medal of honor. corporal carpenter was severely wounded when he jumped on top of a grenade in 2010. his name is trending on facebook.
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to south africa now where we're also following the trial of track star oscar pistorius. his name has been trending on twitter since his trial began on monday for allegedly killing his girlfriend in his home. but it's bringing to light the issue of domesticç violence in south africa. using the widespread attention, women in south africa are taking to the streets, protesting violence against women at the courthouse where the case is being tried. something to keep in mind as you wait for the outcome of the trial. and you're also dialled in to cute kids today as a viral video of children trying to use old timy rotary phones has gotten 3.1 million views. watch them try to text on these dinosaur devices. >> how do you think you sent a text message with that phone? >> so you grab it and -- what were these again? >> no, not that.
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i have no idea. >> you know you remember those phones. join the conversation with fellow readers on twitter, facebook, instagram and msnbc.com and tell us what's important to you. breaking news. senate bill sponsored by new york senator gillibrand has failed a key vote. it would strip commanders about who does and does not get prosecuted. it needed at least 60 to clear the procedural hurdle. a competing bill toughens monitoring of0sau1 assaults but leaves prosecution within the chain of command.
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to the classroom now where there's lots to talk about today on a big issue facing millions of american families planning for college. the stress of standardized tests. after nearly a decade, the s.a.t. is getting a makeover, and the changes could level the playing field for anxious high school students taking the exam.
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among the planned changes. by 2016, the s.a.t. will be available in both paper and digital form. it will return to a top score of 1,600. the essay portion will become optional, and no more penalties for long answers. the biggest potential losers in the overhaul, the test prep industry, which rakes in about $4.5 billion a year, helping the well-healed boost their kids'ç scores. here's the kicker. they're partnering with the most popular online educational website in the world to offer free prep material to college-bound students. college board president david coleman sat down with nbc news education correspondent rehema ellis and told her this overhaul is long overdue. >> it's time for the college board to say in a clear voice that the culture and practice of test preparation in this country has led to a perception at least of inequity and injustice. the exams were designed to show hard work and merit, but now so many people say what they really
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show is who has access to special secrets or special preparation. >> randy weingarten is the president of the american federation of teachers. thank you so much for being here. how much of a game changer do you think this is for students? >> well, you know, we're going to have to see it in practice first. what we've learned in terms of education, there's a big, big difference in terms of what's pronounced and how it operates in the field. on the face of it, these seem like really good changes. like, for example, to actually have vocabulary words on the s.a.t. that you use as opposed to something that you'll never even see again, even in "the new york times" crossword puzzle, tç actually not have points taken off for not guessing right, to actually have something that where you're reading a text like the declaration of independence or the martin luther king "i have a dream" speech, things that kwids would actually learn in high school and then have to
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base not only an answer on what the text says, but really critical thinking. so it sounds like the s.a.t. actually makes this about what kids learn in school, not based upon the privilege that they may have had before they went school. >> no, absolutely. and i think the reason s.a.t. and other standardized tests are the bain of a lot of teachers and parents, is they do encourage, a, guessing, and, b, the kind of inequality where somebody who could do specific kinds of test prep and pay for it has an e,e, because they can learn what a word means and the ordinary kid can't. do you think this will change the culture in the classroom, where people are not teaching to the test? >> well, i think it's going to take more than changing the s.a.t. to do that. but i thought it was really important that david coleman started talking about how pernicious test prep is and how
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we have to move away from the culture of test,?xtest, test, test. you know, we know that actually your grades in school are better predictors of what's going to happen in college than what you do one day on a standardized test. but the other piece i wanted to say is something really important that they did as well is not just the connection to the khan academy, but saying to low-income kids that the costs of a college application, the college applications will be free. what we're seeing is that inequality, because of poverty, is so crippling. you know, whether it's student debt in terms of college or whether it's these bars in terms of not beingible to pay for applications on test, or test prep, i thought those were all really good steps that the s.a.t. took. >> randi, can you talk a little bit about how this ties into common core, which is enrolled, i believe, 46 states already. it's gotten a lot of opposition in some places. >> the word -- the word that nobody ever wants to use anymore, right?
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>> yeah. indeed. how does this tie into the changes? >> well, you know what -- common core is supposed to be about thinking -- it's supposed to be a thinking curriculum. it's supposed to be a thinking standard. the point was that we should áh'ot just know things, but have enough skill and knowledge that they can critically think that they can apply knowledge, that they can problem solve. and so, the text study and the s.a.t.s is supposed to be about when you see the declaration of independence, or when you see the i have a dream speech, or the emancipation proclamation, you cannot only comprehend what it says, but talk about the whys and underlying what it means. but what's happened in terms of common core -- and i'm a big believer in it -- is that it's been rushed to test before people have had the ability to
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prepare in this transition, before kids have the ability, before teachers have had the ability to adjust to it. and so, this is both a calamity of the test prep and the testing culture that seems to be besieging our country. >> yeah, well, one step forward for the s.a.t.s. >> exactly. >> thank you so much, randi weingarten. >> thank you so much. to another college controversy now. many rutgers university faculty members are trying to stop former secretary of state condoleezza rice from delivering this year's commencement address. professors at the campus passed a resolution saying rice does not, quote, embody the moral authority and exemplary citizenship, and they're also saying she took part in lies t@au led to the iraq war. so far, rutgers is standing by the decision to have her speak. in the united states means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out.
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perhaps impossible goal. amending the state's controversial stand your ground law. standing in their way? the florida nra and its veteran super lobbyist marion hammer, and while democrats have been trying to tweak the law, the nra has been plotting ways to expand it. case in point. the so-called warning shot bill. it was voted out of senate florida judiciary committee on tuesday clearing the hurdle for a full vote. the nra is selling it as a measure that would have prevented someone like marisa alexander from serving a lengthy prison sentence. from chris smith, quote, you're telling people i can shootç a warning shot. the legislature is telling me to shoot a warning shot. and that warning shot may not be in the air. to me, that's inviting negligence. meanwhile, nra executive vice president and ceo wayne lapierre is rallying the troops at today's conservative political action committee. he's expected to speak at any minute. four days from now, advocates
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including my colleague reverend al sharpton and trayvon martin's parents will rally. here with me on set is dan gross president of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence. senator smith, i want to start with you. because this warning shot bill is being pitched to people who are supporters of marisa alexander as a good thing. but as we just quoted, you don't think it's a necessarily good idea. explain why. >> well, as a resident of florida, and looking at what's happened through the years, i'm not supporting anything that's encouraging people to shoot in florida. i think we have enough shooting and enough shots in florida, and we've seen the ramifications of it. and the recent cases. what happened to marisa zachbd alexander is a travesty of justice. that has to do with the minimum mandatory laws passed than stand your ground. what's going on nowç, i don't
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think we should -- and especially in florida -- encourage people to shoot at any time. >> and, i mean, dan, what we're seeing, ironically, particularly after newtown, we thought there would be some changes in the gun laws. we thought there would be an advocacy around changing the laws, but instead, what we've seen is the nra be very aggressive, and other organizations, about adding new gun laws and expanding the ones already in states. why do you suppose that is? >> i mean, the corporate gun lobby has a goal, which is to sell more guns to more people. and they represent it in terms of self-defense and being able to stand your ground. the reality is they want to sell more guns. what's happening in florida shows how out of touch they are with what the american public wants. we don't believe the answer to violence is more violence and the answer to guns is more guns. what makes the laws particularly dangerous are the conceal carry laws that exist in states like florida where the corporate gun lobby is able to get its way. trayvon martin is dead because
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george zimmerman, a man with a criminal record, a convicted criminal, was able to get his hands on a gun, no questions asked, and walk around with that gun in public.çó loaded and dangerous. >> we should mention that george zimmerman, of course, pleaded self-defense and was found not guilty in the ( with the law, did not result in any convictions, but i understand your point. i want to go back to chris smith. there are several laws that are spending that the nra is pushing, one that would attend the 1020 law, which i would think you might argue would be a good thing, but also a bill that would immunize, for insurance companies not to ask questions about gun ownership of a potential person that they're going to insure. and even something as seemingly sort of strange as what they're calling the pop tart bill, which would mean a kid couldn't get in trouble for school for fashioning, you know, a gun, a fake gun out of food. what is -- is there something about florida that it seems to be the laboratory for every ideñ
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ill conceived or not of the gun lobby? >> i just think the nra are doing victory laps now. they're just coming up with new stuff to vote on. as a matter of fact, i just voted against, about 30 minutes ago, the insurance bill, where they're saying insurance companies shouldn't even ask and assess liability if you have guns, multiple guns. not one gun, but people with ñr multiple, multiple guns in the house, and as you say, the pop tart board, they're saying school boards, if you go to a school and you have a t-shirt with guns all over it, depicting people shooting people dead, they're saying school boards, you can't tell the kids to change their çshirt, because they're wearing a shirt that has a gun on it. it's just a point -- if it wasn't so scary, it would be funny, what we're doing in florida, at a time when we should be really looking and stepping backñr, they're pushin ahead with just crazy laws that they're just coming up with. >> and i think part of it is the culture. i want to show mitch mcconnell today.
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didn't get a round of applause at cpac when he walked on stage, but he had a prop. he had this gun with him. and he sort of did his own sort of low-rent charlton heston, but that speaks to the culture now among the right, many on the right, that is this sort of almost, i don't know, what is that? you need to explain to me what that is saying culturally. >> we have two goals. one is to keep the hands out of the people we agree are dangerous, convicted felons, domestic abusers, can you do that through background checks. facebook could have gone a long way with that. >> explain that a little bit. what facebook is doing. >> they're not doing much. they had the opportunity to remove -- follow suit with google plus and ebay and craigslist and remove all posts whereçó you privately sell guns. >> right. >> where people can sell guns without background checks. they didn't do that. instead, they passed some at best half measures that aren't really going to have the impaqt
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that a huge marketplace for guns like facebook could actually have by removing the posts altogether. >> i should mention what mcconnell was doing in that individual wroe was giving an award to another senator, tom coburn, from the nra, who is the president of cpac. and going back to you, chris smith. it doesn't seem that the democratic attempts to roll back (unintelligible) is going anywhere. that's the reality. you're not going to be able to do much to change that law, or am i wrong? >> well, the reality is the efforts to repeal it died in the house, and probably couldn't get the votes in the senate. but i have come together with
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down a one-way street. abu-jamal was shot once in the chest. in the 1990s, including on college campuses, touching the third rail of race and policing. when a second scheduled execution date approached in january 1999, the beastie boys and rage against the machine even headlined a free benefit concert in new jersey with rage's front man recording a song to benefit the mumia defense fund.ç to conservatives, however, mumia abu-jamal became the boogie man, the anti-american, anti-police radical on the left. this cartoon ran in the washington times when adegbile was nominated, mocking his
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appearance on "sesame street" with some interesting racialized visuals. adegbile did participate in the death sentence appeal as a member of the naacp legal defense fund, and that win was seen as a defeat for officer faulkner's widow, the district attorney's office and the law enforcement community, and for conservatives. beating back adegbile's nomination was couched in ideological terms today by the man who led the opposition. pennsylvania senator pat toomey, who said this at cpac today. >> no one should be able to make a mockery of our criminal justice system, fan the flames of racial strife in america, join a dishonest, international anti-american campaign, along the way drag the family of a fallen police officer through three decades of hell, and then be confirmed to a high post in the justice department. >> adegbile was 15 years old when officer faulkner was killed.
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he grew up to become a civil rights lawyerç that in the country on paper stands for the principle that every defendant deserves a vigorous defense, and the lawyers should not be punished for the sins of their clients. that's not a mockery of the justice system. this story isn't done. but that wraps up things for the reid report. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern. join us online. "the cycle" is up next. hey, what you got going today? >> hey, joy, good stuff. we have a busy show. the latest from ukraine. we have a founder who left the republican party over gay rights. it will be interesting to hear his take on cpac. and we have steve kornacki joining the table to talk about chris christie. >> who? >> the return of steve kornacki! >> yes, next! across america, people like basketball hall of famer
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pressure rises. republicans try to send the right message at their biggest gathering of the year. who are they talking to and who is listening? plus, dems revolt. how did they block one of the president's most important nominees, and how did harry reid not know this was coming? but we begin with breaking news in ukraine. the future of crimea may come to one vote. the local parliament is calling a referendum in ten days for residents to decide if they want to remain part of ukraine or secede and join russia, something moscow backs but the west is against. >> the proposed referendum on the future of crimea would violate the ukrainian constitution and violate international law. any discussion about the future of ukraine must include the legitimate government of ukraine. in 2014, we are well beyond the days when borders can be redrawn over the heads
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