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obama. putin is back in sochi to open the paralympic games. >> we are well beyond the days when borders can be redrawn over the heads of democratic leaders. >> the critic from the sunday shows to the senate floor, john mccain has been asking tough questions on how the president handled putin. >> why do we care? this is the ultimate result of a feckless foreign policy where nobody believes in america's strength any more. it's time we woke up about vladimir putin and this administration got real. the fact is it was not predicted by our intelligence and already been well known, this is another massive failure because of our misreading, total misreading of the intentions of vladimir putin. >> coming up here, senator john mccain joining me live.
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red meat, rick perry firing up the conservative crowd at cpac to kick off today's sessions. >> get out of the health care business. get out of the education business. stop hammering industry. let the sleeping giant of american enterprise create prosperity again. my fellow conservatives, the future of this nation is upon you. it belongs to you. you have the power to change america. >> and spell check, r-e-s-p-e-c tif. >> when aretha first told us what respect meant to her.
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well, we know what he meant. good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. putin rejecting the plea to pull the troops back to the barracks. they could permanently change by trying to rejoin russia. what should the administration be doing? senator john mccain joins us. let's stipulate. you've been saying since the 2000 debate again in 2008 when georgia pulled away, you've said most recently when this crisis first erupted that we have to keep crimea together with ukraine and we have to deal with this issue. what should the administration do going forward? >> i think many things and i'll try to be brief. one is a fundamental understanding of vladimir putin. they have been near delusional in thinking the cold war was
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over. maybe the president thinks the cold war is over, but vladimir putin doesn't and that's what this is all about. ukraine, the major base which is his access to the mediterranean, russian fleet and so we have to -- excuse me -- understand vladimir putin, what he's about. he's still back in the cold war, kgb colonel that he is. one of the things that we really need to do is consider a very expanded act where we identify these corrupt people that are responsible for the death of math nis xi and cut off trips to london. don't let them send their kids there. any financial institution that does business with them, doesn't do business with us. that would really hurt them say great deal. expedite georgia's membership into nato and maldova, where both countries are being occupied by russian troops.
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restart the missile defense systems in poland and czech republic that we can't solve in seeking better relations. but fundamentally understand what this guy is and what he's about and act accordingly. >> he doesn't seem to be responding to all of these arguments that he's isolating himself and hurting the stock market and hurting the ruble. he seems to play a completely different game. do you think it's been trying to recreate a soviet style empire? >> i think he always has had that ambition. when ukraine looked like it was going the wrong way because of recent events, that put his control of crimea and sevastopol
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in jeopardy. stali in, moved them all out and killed them. there was a treaty that the territorial integrity of crimea would be respected as part of ukraine. this man is blatant because he has these ambitions for the return of russia. that's why the next thing we need to worry about is pressure on the baltic states. i believe that the this is the second time now but particularly now where the excuse of russian-speaking peoples rights are protected in romania and poland and baltic states, they have russian speaking populations and of course this harkins back to the day of adolph hitler and joseph stalin. >> i want to ask about the 1994 agreement. the u.s. and u.k. were signature
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no t that tris to it but we have no military obligation here to defend ukraine. do you think there is a military option even if we had an obligation? >> i'd love to tell you that there is, andrea, but frankly i do not see it. i'm glad to see our u.s. military naval presence in the black sea. again, i wish that there were but i think that these sanctions can really have a serious effect on the clep to krats who are part and parcel of the power structure of vladimir putin. and those other measures that i told you about. i probably have military exercises with the baltic countries who are parts of nato and accelerate as i mentioned,
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membership innato but i do not e a military option and it's tragic. but the key here now is what does vladimir putin do in eastern ukraine where there are russian populations there. if he feels emboldened, i'm not sure he's made up his mind yet, to have a de facto partition of eastern ukraine. >> what do you think the europeans to do? for this to work and for us to have the kind of visa restrictions it can't be just in the united states it has to be educating their kids in london and other aspects of europe that they want to be part of, to say nothing of their bank accounts. bumt the e.u. has to go along with it and they are dependent on russian natural gas. is angela merkel going to really stand up to vladimir putin? >> no, i'm sorry to say, nor apparently from information that we have now or the british. i'm afraid that the europeans
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because of not just energy but because of the view they've taken towards a lot of things as the role of europe, they are probably not going to do anything. it can still have a significant effect though because for example, if we say any financial institution that has any dealings with these people that we're targeting, then they are not going to do business with the united states. that's important. and by the way, we ought to speak up more. i wish the president would speak up more and label vladimir putin for what he is. i hope that john kerry understands that when lavrov lies to his face, on friday, while the troops were moving in, lavrov told them they weren't doing anything. shouldn't we understand these people? doesn't that remind us of a bygone era that we thought was bygone? >> speaking of bygone eras, you
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mentioned the analogy to preworld war ii. this is what hillary clinton had to say at ucra about that very subject. >> the claims by president putin and other russians that they had to go in to crimea and maybe further into eastern ukraine because they had to protect the russian minorities. and that is reminiscent of claims that were made back in the 1930s. >> is she wrong? >> no, she's exactly right. also, i would just add to that, as you know after the iron curtain came down over what we know as eastern europe, referendums were held. 99% obviously of the population voted for their communist governments. so it is out of the old playbook. and it's tragic. it really is because in the last
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elections in crimea, even the pro russian party did not do very well. even in crimea it's not clear frankly if they had a free and fair election how the people would decide. i can assure you this election and what ten days, whatever it is, i can predict you the outcome of that election. >> was this an intelligence failure? my information is that the cia perhaps is one analysis and defense intelligence had another and there was confusion over what the intention were. we saw movements but didn't know what was military xer stis and what wasn't. but you have obviously better sources than i do on the armed services committee? >> i predicted it and i didn't have any intelligence sources and predicted it right after it was clear that ukraine was divorcing itself from russian influence. but it was based on a belief as i stated earlier that putin was
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not going to put his control over crimea and sevastopol in jeopardy and that's why the events transpired. this should also give us pause about iran, as to how good our intelligence is there. as we go through these negotiations with the iranians. but it is very clear that if our intelligence community had anticipated it, they should have told john kerry who accepted the word of sergei lavrov that's nothing was going on in the way of intervention of crimea and it must have been a little embarrassing for john. john kerry was not briefed when you asked a pretty straight forward question and said, do you know that vladimir putin is denying that there are russians in crimea, russian troops and he said he did. thank you for informing him,
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andrea. >> well, in defense, it did happen overnight while we were flying on the plane. i take your point. and wondering, whether we should now not expect to rely at all on russia for any type of partnership in syria. the argument has been, we need russia for iran and syria. but doesn't this example stort of blow all of that up as well? >> this idea that russia was helping us in syria was incredibly -- i can't tell you how infuriating this was to me because as the chemical weapons are slowly being removed, planeloads of weapons from russia are flying in of artillery, tanks and the means to assemble these horrible barrel bombs that are slaughtering innocent people. it was all a charade by the russians as they vetoed
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resolution after resolution on syria in the united nations. so if we lose the russians on the chemical weapons side, it exposes them. again, this idea that the russians would help us in geneva where the negotiations started on the premise that bashar assad would willingly transition out of power when i was winning was worse than a farce. it was -- it's so sad. by the way, some of those negotiators for the free syrian government, some of their relatives have already been taken into custody by bashar assad. >> and bank accounts frozen. we were reporting that as well. a quick question, equal time, please give you this opportunity to respond to ted cruz. this is what he said at cpac. >> all of us remember president
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dole. and president mccain and president romney. those are good men, decent men, but when you don't stand and draw a clear distinction, when you don't stand for principle, democrats celebrate. >> i think he's saying that you, bob dole and mitt romney did not stand for principle. >> i spoke to ted cruz, he and i have a cordial relationship about this. he can say what he wants to about me and say something he wants to about mitt. mitt is capable of taking it. but when he throws bob dole in there, i wonder if he thinks that bob dole stood for principle on that hilltop in italy when he was so gravely wounded and left part of his body there fighting for our country? bob dole is such a man of honor and integrity and principle. i hope that ted cruz will
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apologize to bob dole because that's -- that has crossed a line that to me is -- leaves the realm of the politics and discourse that we should have in america. >> senator, did you call ted cruz after he gave his speech yesterday? >> i talked to him on the floor. i talked to him on the floor and said exactly what i'm telling you i said. if you want to -- you know, say things that are critical of me and mitt romney, that's fine. my beloved bob dole, as you know, is not in the best of tof health and doesn't need that. >> we were playing video of ted cruz and he was speaking like this, i thought if bob dole could have used that arm, his whole life would have been a lot different. so thank you for making that point and being with us today. it meant a lot.
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>> thank you. >> and one month after hosting the winter olympics vladimir putin is back in sochi today presiding over the opening ceremony for the paralympics. the ukrainian paralympic committee decided against boycotting the games. absent are any official delegations from the u.s. and several european allies. athletes for team usa are going to compete. among them, the men's sled hockey team. these competitors are up to this physical challenge. they are used to representing the usa in uniform. three members of the starting lineup are military veterans and all had legs amputated after being wounded serving with the marines in iraq and afghanistan. they are joined by -- they'll be looking to defend their gold medal from vancouver and we'll be cheering on for them. [phones rings]
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receip let's go to ukraine. ian williams joins me from kiev. tell me what the new leaders are saying and what they think putin is up to. >> reporter: hi, andrea, i just got back from the parliament here where a short while ago i sat down with the acting president of ukraine, and he told me how he signed into law this morning a decree declaring that referendum in crimea illegal and unconstitutional and said the absurdity of trying to hold a referendum at the barrel of a gun.
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it was an interesting conversation which reflected some of the deep concerns of the government here. i actually asked him what he wanted most to see from the west and particularly from the u.s. he said the financial stability -- without that, freedom and democracy would never be entrenched here and he was immensely grateful for what he heard from u.s. and the europe about financial aid. he also said he hoped the imf, who are in town this week, those discussions going well would soon be resolved. interesting though, he also said that if russia continued what he called its belligerent behavior he would call on western partners for what he called military and technical assistance, which of course at this point is not something that people want to openly talk about. he said that ukraine itself was trying to exercise what he called maximum restraint, they didn't want to give russia a
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pretext for further aggression, for further inkurgss and further trouble making, particularly in the eastern part of this country, which he said at the moment was stable. he said that the government is in control there, though he said that they had information that russian battalions and soldiers were on the russian side of the border, andrea. >> thanks so much, ian williams in kiev today. a week of testimony in the oscar pistorius murder trial ended with one of the former girlfriends testifying and it wasn't good for the defense, creating problems down the road. >> if he screams and anxious, he sounds like a woman. >> that is not true. he sounds like a man. >> he shouted at who? >> at myself. ayman is live in pretoria.
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they've taken a break now. tell me how it has gone after the first week. there's been a lot of strong emotional testimony. >> reporter: absolutely, in fact, andrea, the court has adjourned for the weekend. throughout the course of the last several days, we've seen the prosecution slowly build their case, they started by calling several neighbors who tried on that fateful night establish sounds and what those sounds were are critical to the prosecution's argument. now, according to those neighbors, they heard both screaming and yelling coming distinctly from a man and woman and according to the prosecution's theory, there was a type of argument that happened shortly before he killed reeva steenkamp. in addition to that testimony, a very important testimony came from one of oscar's most direct neighbors. he ran into the house on pt night of the shooting. he was there, saw it firsthand,
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the alleged crime scene before police and ambulance members showed up. what you mentioned, one of the more critical and damning testimonies, that of samantha taylor. the so-called character witnesses, they are trying to paint a picture of oscar pistorius as an individual who was a gun toter, a man with a temperament and individual who cheated on her and one who called on his friends to take the fall for him when something went wrong like an incident where oscar accidentally discharged a weapon at the restaurant. all of this they say is to build that picture that he was not the golden boy that south africa and the boy has come to know and he did not shoot reeva steenkamp as accident. all of this is going to shift gears next week. we expect more character witnesses but the bulk of the prosecution's argument will rely heavily on the forensics and evidence of that fateful night. >> fascinating case, thank you so much, ayman, in south africa.
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coming up next, putin's end game. what is he trying to do? i'll talk to someone who knows something about the former kgb man's mindset, the great granddaughter. jon stewart had a few choice words after that so-called news conference earlier this week. >> the soldiers are saying they are from russia, they are speaking russian, wearing russian army uniforms kind of. >> well, look at the former soviet republics because there are a lot of uniforms that look like. you can go to a store and buy a uniform. >> right, but i'm not sure you can go to the store and by 10,000 of them or have that store throw in some russian tanks. or are those just part of crimea's new citi tank program. e
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so as vladimir putin trying to recreate a soviet style empire for modern day russia? in 1954 crimea was given to ukraine. joining me now is professor of international affairs. great granddaughter of shrushchev and or of the new book. thank you for being with us. what is your read on what putin's end game is? >> he's a russian leader and as a russian leader he probably does not have an end game, his end game is russia is great, we're glorious people and not be intimidated and humiliated and we do think works for our national interest. that's the tactical end game he
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has. as for strategy, clearly the crimean taking out crimean peninsula from ukraine is not really a great strategy. although he make think for all intents and purposes, he got crimea, will not let it go. he absolutely lost ukraine for probably a really, really long time now. >> what if he were to try to move farther into ukraine? >> well, i don't think it's his intention. i'm sure he took this opportunity to get into crimea because crimea as you pointed out was given by krush chef and it did not matter that much. it has been a coveted place since 1954. russia always wanted it and putin used this opportunity to bite a piece from what used to be the former soviet union, not that he would like to recreate
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it but he certainly would like to have as much of it as possible in his possession because in the russian mind, size matters and matters more than anything else. >> and despite the economic drawbacks here, as president obama told president putin, your ruble is collapse s and stock market is down. you're going to be isolated. in his calculation, is it still moore important to do this land grab of crimea than to worry about the economic down turn? >> i think it is more important in a sense that it's not just a land grab. it's also a national pride grab. it's national interest because russian black fleet is stationed in crimea. more calculations than just that. that's why i think he's not going to go for the rest of the ukraine, precisely because the consequences are so serious now, if he decides to divide ukraine
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to take over half of ukraine, which is the eastern territories, supposedly pro russian, then he would be -- now he's par riah of the world. i don't have a word of what he's going to be. >> to get the troops back in the barracks and get him to give up operational effect i have been control of crimea which he now has? >> i'm very pessimistic about this. i don't think there's anything one can do to take the troops back. putin has it and feels he has it. he also has the right to have it and much greater discussion should be is how to defuse the crisis in ukraine and how to make sure that the rest of ukraine, eastern parts, western parts, kiev, maintain territory integrity and get to the point when they can function as a country. >> professor khrushcheva, thank
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you. >> it is an embarrassing and high profile investigation into sexual assault in the military. jay morris, the top prosecutor for sexual assault cases was subpoenaed after a lawyer who worked for him accused morris of trying to grope and kiss her at the legal conference back in 2011. the topic of the conference, sexual assaults. an army criminal investigation is now under way. the news of this latest allegation came after yesterday's senate vote on a bill to take those prosecutions out of the chain of command. the past year senator kirsten gillibrand fought for the vote. it got the majority but not the 60 it needed to get through and to pass. >> we know that the deck is stacked against victims of sexual assault in the military today and today sadly, we saw the same in the halls of congress. for two decades every secretary
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he can say what he wants to and anything he wants to about mitt. mitt is capable of taking it. but when he throws bob dole in there, i wonder if he thinks that bob dole stood for principle on that hilltop in italy when he was so gravely wounded and left part of his body there fighting for our country. bob dole is such an man of honor and integrity of principle. i hope that ted cruz will
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apologize to bob dole because that's -- that has crossed a line that to me is -- leaves the realm of politics and discourse that we should have in america. >> senator john mccain speaking to me a few moments ago, reacting to ted cruz's comments about bob dole and others when he was speaking at cpac. joining me now, chris cillizza and nbc news senior political editor, mark murray. chris cillizza, what mccain said is he talked to ted cruz on the floor and basically said the same thing to him, that he crossed eye licross ed a line by taking on bob dole who is ailing and 90 years old plus and lifetime of disability because of his service in world war ii. >> yeah, i mean the relationship
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between mccain and ted cruz i don't think was terribly good before the comments. ted cruz knew what he was doing. this was not an off the cuff sort of someone catches him as he getting in the elevators in the senate. this is a planned speech at the big conservative gathering. he knew what he was doing. look, i guess i think it's unlikely ted cruz apologizes on this and i think that ted cruz is operating under a different set of rules than john mccain, many of his republican colleagues in the senate. ted cruz wants to and almost certain to run for president of the united states doing so as a goldwater like figure, saying that the party need to be purified and the reason they have not won in the past because it has not been pure enough. having enemies within the establishment actually feeds that argument and makes it stronger rather than weakens it. my guess is you're not going to see ted cruz do what john mccain asked. politics is unpredictable, maybe he will. >> i would suggest john mccain
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is more of a barry goldwater fellow than ted cruz is. by the way, they did talk on the senate floor and we've captured that moment. the c-span cameras caught it. there you see them encircled where john mccain takes ted cruz aside and let's him know what was on his mind. i can imagine the tenor of that conversation. mark murray, these two men have not liked each other for a while. and so there's a history here but clearly ted cruz has not done himself any favors with the senate colleagues. >> when you run for president, you need allies and friends because sometimes the times are really good. sometimes the times are really bad and you need friends and allies to get through that. what fascinated me from the foreign policy national security divide between the john mccains and lindsay grahams and ted cruzes and rand paul. what they represent is say little bit more dovish when it
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comes to national security. it wasn't too long ago that john mccain said, who you would support hillary clinton or rand paul and it did seem to say that was going to be a tough decision for him to make because of that divide on national security and foreign policy. >> and at cpac also, so far chris christie did very well. got a warm reception from all reports, from kelley o'donnell others there. did himself some good with the conservative base, wasn't invited last year. chris cillizza any other breakout stars coming out of these sessions from cpac? >> i think it's been somewhat less sort of newsy than in years past. i thought chris christie was fine. i think he was safe. it was probably smart given where he is politically speaking. he attacked to things, the media and president obama that all -- everyone in attendance, whether they agree with chris christie
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mostly or not will agree with and he got applause for it. i thought marco rubio had an interesting speech. well received but an interesting speech in that he focused significantly on foreign policy. it seems to be where he's trying to rebuild his conservative -- to mark's point, a very clear line between where rand paul is on foreign policy and where he believes more hawkish traditional side of the republican party should be. kind of an interesting dynamic i think as we move forward into the actual once we get through the 2014 election and 2016 race breaks out in earnest. >> one thing that's interesting mark, the man who wasn't there and that's scott walker, in wisconsin, has to face his own re-election in a state that has a mixture, not logically a cpac kind of state. he's got presidential ambitions. >> to be able to have those presidential ambitions you have to win re-election first. wisconsin is different than
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texas or south carolina, or other republican states. his eye is on pt prize. he knows he's already a conse e conservative darling. rick perry got a very big reaction this morning. a big star. the thing about rick perry, when he's on, he can be great and light up audiences. but when he can be bad like in the 2012 race he can be bad. often times the people who win presidential contests, the ones who are consistent throughout. >> rick perry with glasses. >> works for me. >> thanks you, tomorrow is international women's day, celebrated around the world. google's doodle team marked the day with a special video featuring more than 100 women around the globe including malala who embodies the theme of inspiring change. united nations enlisted men to raise their voices in support through what they are calling
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