extreme violence is a great way to make a name for yourself in the skinhead subculture. we put it out there and don't screw with us or we will kill you. >> he was kind of the pit bull of the movement. that was my weapon of choice. >> when you get in the movement, you alienate everyone you know. >> i'd see some of my brothers kick the crap out of their old ladies. >> we were both in there just kind of hanging on by a string. >> president of the club called me up and said i had to make a choice between either my family or them. >> you get a scar on your base and head.

>> i was a little intimidated by both of them. >> the coming off is frequently more painful than going on. >> is it getting any better? >> no, it hurts like hell. >> it's all part of the process. >> i don't like to see him in pain, but everything has a price. you're about to see a remarkable story of redemption. the southern poverty law center estimates there are more than 1,000 hate groups in the country. approximately 130 of these are racist, skinhead organizations. as in most gangs, disenfranchised youth are sometimes enticed into the movement. once in, it's difficult to get out. such was the case with bryon widner. his escape would be painful and trigger a transformation of both body and soul.

>> i wanted to live. >> i started getting tattoos when i was about 14, 15 years old. this arrow is from the norse religion, and what it signifies is the rune of justice or the rune of the warrior. within most light powered skinheads, within at subculture it's a sign of warrior but it also represents the willingness to kill for your race. >> and so you were willing to do that? >> yes, i was willing to kill for the white race. i put it on my face to signify that to those who understood what it meant basically and those who didn't understood, well, they would learn soon enough. that was kind of the philosophy. >> bryon widner first became a racist skinhead at the age of 14 in 1991.

over the next 16 years, he was a member of several notorious neo-nazi skinhead organizations, such as the outlaw hammer skins, blood and honor and the vinlander social club. >> my racial philosophy was we were the master race. white people were meant to rule the world. we created society. we created economics. we created everything. we were meant to rule. and, therefore it was our god-given right to stand up and take what was ours. the white race was dying. it was going to be bred out, so we needed to go to extreme measures to save our people. >> and what did you consider extreme? >> at the time, murder wasn't extreme. i mean, but, you know it was kind of one of those things that could happen. but now, hindsight it was, you know, drive-bys, things like that would be very extreme. >> we track a lot of the extremist organizations out there as they come across our desk, and, of course, the skinhead movement is one of the

most violent. and we first saw bryon pop up on our radar when he was involved in a lot of skinhead activities, going to functions, showing up in different intelligence photos we were collecting. he was kind of the pit bull of the movement. an in your face-type guy. he was -- loved to drink a beer. very confrontational. had a reputation of being an enforcer type personality. >> i got the hate tattooed across my knuckles when i was about 15. i always liked the word hate. i thought it was real cool at the time. >> i was about 17 or 18 when i started getting swastikas and iron crosses and all that stuff on me. i really was embracing the whole nazi skinhead thing. at that time. the ss bolts, they speak for themselves. you can't be a nazi without a pair of ss bolts on you. back in the day, back in the late '80s and '90s you were required to actually earn your bolts, quote/one quote. you had to attack a minority, one on one and beat them down. so i earned mine years ago. >> when he got the tattoos done,

he didn't expect to have a family. and he came into our household into our lives and became the father, became a husband. and so he didn't know when he got them put on that he would end up in this position. >> did you scream? >> no. >> she's still complaining about it. >> this is the vinlander sc which stands for social club. it's a neo-nazi organization of a bunch of skinheads. i was the founding father of that club. >> i got thug reich tattooed on my belly. the reason why i got it is we were thugs. the reich was for the third reich, the whole nazi aspect. i combined the two, and came up with that. it almost became a motto for a lot of guys. >> i don't even see the tattoos anymore. i'm used to them because i got to know who he is and like instead of just being someone on the streets and seeing him and they judge him, i see him for who he is. >> blood and honor was an organization that was created by the late ian steward donaldson, the lead singer of screwdriver.

it was a skinhead organization in the late '70s, early '80s. in the '90s, it split into two different factions. blood and honor international and blood and honor combat 18. the blood and honor i belonged to was combat 18. or c-18. the 18 stands for 1 and 8 for the letter a and h for adolf hitler. >> is that good? >> when i saw pierson born, i saw god that day. that was one of the strangest, greatest feelings that i'll probably never feel again. you know it was the first time you ever hold a baby, that kind of love is just, it's amazing. it's truly amazing. and it's really hard to put it into words. he's -- every breath i take is for him. i just want to do everything for him. give him everything i never had. i used to carry a straight razor. and i would use it to -- in bar fights and whatnot. i kind of put it on my face as more of a trademark and also a warning to people.

just basically leave me alone or i'll cut you. so -- >> how is carrying a straight razor different than some of your other crew members? >> a lot of them carry brass knuckles or pistols. things like that. i, i, you know, i like pistols just as much as the next guy, but i just always, i like the up close and personal battles. i always thought those were a lot more fun than sitting across the street and shooting at people. so straight razor which is kind of my weapon of choice, plus, a razor cut goes a lot deeper than, you know, just a regular stab usually. you can get some good meat on it. if i started getting into a situation i couldn't handle with just my fists and my feet i would pull it out like in a bar fight if three or four guys are jumping on me i'd pull it out and lay a couple of people open and then all of them wouldn't jump on me. it was a pretty good deterrent at that point. or if i wanted to teach somebody a lesson they couldn't forget if they ever wanted to. i would pull it out and cut them.

>> what do you think now of all these tattoos on your face? >> they drive me nuts. it's just a bad reminder of a part of my life that i left behind. >> bryon widner grew up in albuquerque, new mexico. >> when i was about 3 years old, i moved in with my grandparents along with my little sister. my grandmother was a severe alcoholic. i was told that i was pretty well worthless. i wouldn't ever amount to anything. this or that. by the age of 13, 14, i just started running away all the time. i became a chronic runaway at that point. just started living on the streets. >> at the age of 18, bryon joined his first white power skinhead group. the soldiers of the new reich. >> when i was a teenager, i didn't have any family. i had my friends. that's all i had. and basically my crews were my family. statistically speaking, gang members don't join gangs because it's cool.

they join gangs because usually they're street kids, they're destitute and they have nothing. >> as bryon's appetite for violence increased he moved to indiana and enlisted in the outlaw hammerskins, a crew started by hard-core skinheads who had been kicked out of the national umbrella group, hammerskin nation. >> hammerskins had such a reputation that they demanded respect. they demanded fear. i mean if a hammerskin came to a party you knew it and everybody treaded very lightly around them. they were known for being incredibly violent, incredibly tough. so everybody was very wary around hammerskins for the most part. everybody wanted to join. i was what they called a pit bull. they would point and i would sic them. if somebody was -- with one of our guys at a bar they'd point me in the direction and i'd go [ muted ] him up, basically. >> we were a very extreme group and we were really hard core. we put it out there on the internet. don't screw with us. we will kill you and that's how

we lived our philosophy. we will kill you. every time we drove around we had guns, bats and knives in our cars. you could see a black guy and white girl walking down the road. we'd -- pull a block away from them and get out and rush them. have two go around the block. come up behind them so they can't escape. they'd get sandwiched in and usually demolished pretty good. >> how long would this usually take, this -- >> a beatdown? usually just a couple seconds. a real long one would be like 10, 15 seconds. >> it's really a hit and run? >> oh, yeah, yeah. and we got out of there and we went and celebrated because we did a great thing. it was a good time, causing people pain was fun to us. >> you have to understand, this is a culture that in their minds they believe death before dishonor. vo: volkswagen has the most vehicles on the road

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yesterday and talked to them about getting my facial tattoos taken off and the ones on my neck. >> what did they say? >> well, they can come off. that's going to be a good thing. he's going to do laser surgery on the 22nd. it's going to probably be very painful. >> are you going to have a scar on your face and head? >> i might. the possibility of scarring is there, but chances are pretty little. >> that's good. >> how are you going to get them off? >> with a laser. he's going to burn them off my skin basically. >> it's intense. >> you are worried about dad getting his tattoos removed? >> yes. >> are you afraid you won't recognize him? >> i won't recognize him. >> his face would be different. >> his face would be different? >> yeah, daddy's handsome, though. he'll look great without them. he looks great with them, but he'll be great without them. >> i think it might be a little painful for the healing, but i think -- i think he'll enjoy it. and stuff. >> i love the pain. >> enjoying the pain?

>> the outcome. >> what do you think? >> what do you think when daddy gets his tattoos removed? what do you think? [ laughter ] >> all right. >> racism just seemed normal when i was younger. i'm talking 3, 4, 5 years old, i still remember hearing my dad say the "n" word. >> after julie's parents divorced, she bounced between her mother's home in arizona and her father's in detroit. >> i had a very bad case of racism in me. of course, i tried not to show my racism to my children. but if they hung around me very long, they'd know it because i was a racist. >> as a child, we were taught that the minorities, blacks, were like a germ. you didn't go where they went.

you didn't sit where they sat. we were better than them. that was normal. the only way to describe it is that the blacks and minorities were like a cockroach. they were like second class citizens. >> at age 29, julie joined the national alliance. >> the national alliance is a neo-nazi movement and this particular organization is not the kind that goes around wearing swastikas and brown shirts. they were looking for a more subtle member because they felt like if their members were in the system, they could make more changes. >> after 16 years in the movement, bryon, along with his wife julie, became disillusioned. despite repeated death threats, they got out. >> you have to understand, this is a culture that in their minds they believe death before dishonor. and to them, dishonor is when somebody leaves the movement. so almost always the initial reaction is one of threats, one of potential assaults. >> bryon and julie packed up

their family, left their michigan home and moved to tennessee to be close to julie's father. >> happy father's day. >> thank you. >> at age 50, i was looking for that peace that old people have. and i ended up finding it. i didn't know it was making a commitment to jesus. changed my idea of racism, color, changed my idea of everything that the world has to offer. >> but starting anew hasn't been easy. >> when i was a skinhead, i didn't really care about work. when you have a family to support, it's a completely different ball game. usually it just boils down to they're going to make excuse on why they don't have to hire me as opposed to just saying we don't like the way you look. no one wants a circus freak next to them getting a paycheck. >> i feel like i'm going through it with him. because i try to help him find jobs, looking online and the newspaper. and then when he comes back from job hunting, it's usually very sobering experience for him.

he gets depressed and so i have to be the uplifter and cheer him up and encourage him. >> i know exactly what it's like to be a black man and being discriminated against because of the way you look. i completely identify with them now. >> broke and without a job, bryon had little hope of erasing his racist tattoos. enter an unlikely ally. the southern poverty law center or splc is a non-profit civil rights organization that tracks extremist groups and fights them in court. >> bryon contacted us because we published an article about the vinlander social club which was an organization he was involved in. >> splc investigators joe roy and laurie wood asked to meet with bryon and julie. >> when we first met them, we were talking, obviously, about my facial tattoos. that always comes up in conversations. i was actually looking on ebay at the time for dermal acid to burn them off my skin.

>> when i first heard about that, i was terrified they'd even consider that. >> the southern poverty law center offered to cover the cost of bryon's tattoo removal procedures. >> if i can prevent one other kid from making the same mistakes i did, if i can prevent one other family from having to go through the same crap that i put my family through, maybe i can redeem myself and maybe it will be worth it. >> the difficulty with bryon is the number of them. i mean, it's just -- he's got so many. so the biggest challenge with him will be just the very large area of the surface of skin that we're going to have to treat. >> dr. bruce shack elects to treat bryon's tattoos in a staged fashion, working on segments of his face and neck in a rotating manner. he anticipates the entire process will require 8 to 12 sessions. >> we're just going to give you a little punch test right here. that hurt?

>> oh, yeah. >> we need to numb him up then. >> you wouldn't want a lot of that? >> no, not at all. that really hurt. >> okay. i'm going to give you some numbing medicine. >> a good response, though. >> this part will sting for a few seconds but then it will get numb. >> unfortunately for something like this with these randomly placed tattoos, it's hard to do a single shot and get it done. you have so much. it's not the little needle sticks that hurt so much. this local anesthetic has a ph that's a little bit acidic, so it stings when it goes in. it's not a pleasant process. >> just take some deep breaths. >> i know it. >> in and out. >> nice and easy. >> bryon receives approximately 30 injections on just one side of his face. >> going to start on this upper part of the nose where it will be a little less sensitive. you remember how this tattoo felt going on, i bet. almost done.

that's it. that's it. oh, man. >> that's it, though. just hold some pressure there. we're going to wait a minute and let you catch your breath. that's the horrible part. all right, buddy. >> i want to be in there. it's driving me nuts. i'm always there through his surgeries, through everything. just kind of strange because -- i mean, it's pointless. you know. for me to do anything. but at least hold his hand like i usually do. i don't even think i'd be able to do that. i'd have to be in the other room anyway. >> i met julie at nordic fest 2005. it was a light power concert out in kentucky. you go out there and camp and listen to a few bands play and drink beer all weekend. she was out there with the kids. >> the reason my mommy and my daddy are married is because of me. >> and why is that? >> because i wanted a picture

with them. >> she was probably about 2, >> almost 3 years old. and she went up to him and she looks up at his leg, started to pull on his leg and wanted a picture with him. >> i remember that. >> so i asked him, do you mind if she takes a picture with him. she got her picture with him and that's how me and daddy met, huh? yep. >> i got a picture with her and then i chatted with julie a little bit. she was just really cool and i just thought, wow, she's just a really cool chick. we didn't really talk a whole lot at nordic fest. we started talking a couple of months later, actually, over the phone. >> we'd have all these conversations late at night, on what we wanted in life, how we both wanted a family. you know, how our childhoods were. >> she was easy to talk to. i always liked hearing her stories. i mean, it was just -- there was just something about her. one night after i got home from the bar, i got in a bar fight and i was pissy and i was half drunk and i just called her up and proposed. i want to raise a family now. i'm done with this. i called her up and proposed. she accepted because she is

crazy. >> and we just got married at the justice of the peace. to be engaged to someone who i had only met in person once and talked to on the phone a couple of months is pretty crazy. >> i love my wife. my wife is my rock. she was a gift from god. that's all there really is to that. she saved my life. >> try this again, okay. >> is that better? >> much. >> we start with what we know will be a safe dose. we watch for the response. we don't want to see any bleeding. we want to just see that little white frosting on the surface of the skin. >> some of these areas you can tell the ink is a little deeper. >> uh-oh. like i said you may feel an occasional twinge where you have a little spot that didn't quite get numb. >> okay. >> it's a big area now. >> sorry. is that hurting? >> oh, yeah.

let's get out of that spot. >> almost done with this area. >> i think that's got it. okay. you did great, buddy. for a first round. that was tough, i know. but you did great. all right. >> thank you. >> you're welcome, my friend. the night was pretty rough. feels like my face is just trying to bust out. [ chainsaw whirring ]

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the night was pretty rough. i ended up waking up about 2:00, 2:30, something like that and falling back asleep about 4:00 and then getting back up at 7:00. the pain is the worst part. it just really aches really bad. it feels like my face is just trying to bust out. >> i just don't like seeing my dad, like, it looks like he's like crying but he is not. i just don't like seeing my dad like that. now i always ask him if he can

see out of that eye and he says not very well because it's like his eye's all covered up. >> i'm going to the pharmacy to get his prescription. his pain medicine. the second treatment has been a little bit harder for me to watch him go through because i know how much pain he was in the first treatment. and it hurts to see people you love in pain. >> there's some swelling in the hospital and, by the time we got home it was pretty poofed out. by about 10:00 last night, my eye was already almost this bad and it just progressively just keeps getting worse. i still have flashbacks. past things that i've done. things that have happened to me. >> one of bryon's recurring nightmares centers on an incident that took place after he and fellow skinheads roughed up an african-american man. >> we went outside. the black guy was gone. he had about seven or eight of his buddies waiting for the four of us. and he came back. and he put a .380 in my face. it was a big gun. he planted it against my

forehead and told me he was going to shoot me. and so at that point, i was scared to death, obviously. i thought i was going to die. but it really dawned on me the next morning that i came that close to having my brains all over the side of a building. and i still -- i still see his face and feel that gun on my forehead most nights, actually. >> it's bryon's third treatment, but it's the first on his neck. >> going to start slipping you some cocktails while we get those monitors put on. >> because of bryon's neck sensitivity, the decision is made to use general anesthesia. since he'll be asleep, the dr. shakt decides to also treat one side of bryon's face. >> everybody goggling up who is goggling up. as will smith said, the

difference between me and you i make this look good. when you run something so hot, eventually it burns out. that's what we did. with the allied hammerskins. a lot of the members got paranoid, there was rumblings of drug dealings in the background. infighting was bad. egos were clashing everywhere. it just kind of self-exploded basically. >> me and brian james and a bunch of other guys who hung out with the allied hammerskins decided we were going to start one more crew and make an attempt to take over the whole white power skinhead movement. >> they formed the hoosier state skinheads. >> my role when we first started was basically to start chapters and then move on. i would pick up a chapter, set up leadership in the area and go to another city. being in the tattoo industry, that was a perfect job for me. i didn't have family so i just bounced everywhere. any local skinhead crews, i would find anybody that was worth a -- in the crews and recruit them and run off all their buddies. we were on a mass recruiting spree so we could go against the

hammerskin nation. >> brian worked to set up skinhead crews in several states. >> it was working out when it was like two, three states. but we had five, six states under our belt. we decided screw it. we're just going to go under one banner. >> the new banner became known as the vinlander social club. >> the vinlanders pulled in other organizations like the hoosiers and the ohio state skins and the -- their efforts were to be a little more radical than the hammerskin nation. in other words, if you bring a knife, we're going to bring a gun. if you assault one of our members, we're going to kill one of your members. >> the vinlanders and the hammerskins considered themselves at war with each other. they were in skirmishes all the time. >> as bryon mass recruited he sunk deeper into the depths of alcoholism. >> i was drinking about a 30-pack a day, and if that didn't cut it, i would go with a 30-pack and a bottle of jack daniels. i was literally drinking myself to death. i was miserable. i was absolutely miserable. so instead of trying to change it at the time my out was death.

and that's the skinhead philosophy. you know. they are the retirement program is either prison or the grave. i didn't feel like going to prison. so that would have been the only other alternative. >> bryon? bryon? you're all done, buddy. open your mouth up wide. you're all done, buddy. >> try to stay on your back. you hear me? >> yeah. >> just relax. >> stay right on your back. >> bring a stretcher in. >> i think he's more concerned about my stress level, you know, than anything else. he just wants me to see him so i know he's okay. because i'm a mom and i worry. thousand times more than i should. >> right now his blood pressure is 179 over 108, so we definitely want to bring that down to his pre-op what he was. >> it just hurts so much, babe. >> so sorry.

>> think about -- >> i am. >> is it getting any better? >> no, it hurts like hell. >> zero being no pain, ten the worst, it's about a ten? >> i'm thinking 11. >> okay. >> i'm giving you some more medicine in your i.v. okay? i was a little intimidated by both of them. my first impression of bryon came from the other nurses. they told me he had a lot of tattoos on his face. they didn't really know exactly what all they meant but they weren't good. i had never seen anyone with that many tattoos on their face. >> all right. i'm going to let you sign and then i'll give you this. and we'll let you go. >> don't sign any legal documents today either. you've had general anesthesia. she's in charge of you today. >> she's in charge every day. >> all right, well, just even more. >> you love me? can you say that again? >> i love my wife. >> thank you. >> you all are so precious. >> she's the cute one.

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i'm veronica de la cruz. here's what's happening. senator rand paul won the presidential straw poll at the conservative political action conference with 31%. it is an early barometer of which way the gop's right wing is leaning for 2016. and the only thing that has turned up so far in the search for a missing malaysia airlines flight has been two oil slicks in the south china sea. the flight to beijing disappeared friday two hours after takeoff with 239 people on board. i'm veronica de la cruz. let's get you back to the program. well, i think he's making steady progress. it hasn't been quite as rapid as i had hoped it was going to be when we started this process several months ago. >> we talked about maybe we can

get this done in seven or eight treatments but it's going to take more than that, obviously. so this whole process may wind up taking a year and a half before we're finished. >> following several treatments, the medical team alters their approach. >> so now what we're doing, we've done the last couple of times, it's worked very well. we've put him to sleep. once he's asleep, then we give him the local anesthesia. then we do the treatment. so when he wakes up, his face is still numb. the numbing medicine wears off slowly over a few hours and so the pain kind of builds slowly. he can tolerate it much better. >> this also allows dr. shack to treat bryon's entire face and neck every visit. >> white power! >> this is america. we can believe what we want. >> we want a white america. >> realistically, most skinheads got into it because they thought there was going to be this huge racial holy war. that we were going to take up arms and die in glory on the field of battle. a lot of skinheads to this day still believe that crap. >> what do we want? >> a lot of it is brainwashing.

you can convince any street kid that the black man has been keeping him down. you know, the jews control the media and they are in a conspiracy to overthrow the world. you know, it's -- you can convince any kid of that. and that's what they do. >> the white race is literally surrounded by non-white hoards who want to pore over our walls, murder and rape your children, kill your wife, rape your frickin' daughters. are we going to stand for that people? >> no! >> this whole we hate minorities because they are destroying our culture, it's all just a good tag for skinheads just to be -- and beat up anybody they want. >> the longest i did in jail in one sitting was a year. that was for beating up a mexican up in hamilton county, indiana. we went out and got just completely [ muted ] faced, and i went in the bathroom and there was a mexican in there mopping. i started making some snide comments because i was drunk and wanted to start a fight. i proceeded to kick the -- out i

smashed his face into the toilet some sometimes and kicked some teeth out. i worked him over pretty good. >> hey. good morning. now what about your hands? >> what about them? >> do you want him to get this? >> yeah, absolutely. absolutely. >> we'll do that today. >> okay. >> this is the first tattoo i got. i got no use for it anymore. >> look at that response we get from this. >> amazing. >> if i'm going this far to get all this taken off, getting the hands would be the next logical step. that way i could actually wear a long sleeve and blend in to the best of my ability. >> are you cold? >> it hurts. >> it hurts? >> it hurts. >> his hands are bothering him more than anything. >> is it your hands? >> yeah.

>> okay, bryon. scale of one to ten. is it excruciating? >> it hurts. >> more so than usual? >> the post treatment on the hands, they swell up really bad like boxing gloves. the swelling throbs and kills. the worst part about it is you don't realize how much you use your hands for everything in the world until you can't use them. the pain sucks but it's the frustration that really gets me. >> we almost got divorced right after we got married because he was drinking almost every night. >> the beginning of our relationship was pretty rough. i was still a heavy alcoholic when we got married. and i had the notion that i could raise a family and still drink a 30-pack a day.

>> but when he drank, his friends were around, and he wasn't the same person. he definitely was an instant ass. just add alcohol. so that was bryon when he drank. >> we fought about everything. if i didn't do the dishes, she'd scream at me. if she didn't sweep the floors, i'd scream at her. we were at each other's throats. it basically boiled down to, i had to figure out what was more important to me. my booze or my family, my babies. thunder crashes ]

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as i was progressing in these crews i would notice that nothing was about the kids. these guys were abusive to their wives. half of them couldn't hold jobs. they were felons. they would have bastards all over the country, not pay a dime into child support and they just liked to preach all this higher nobility but nobody wanted to practice anything.having sex wi. >> actually, there was two tents with girls in there. and the guys kept going in and taking turns having sex with them. they were running trains on the girls. and so in my mind, what i thought, these men do not give a age. they don't care of, you know, there's no, you know, she is, you know, an aryan woman. we must honor her and treasure the woman. there is none of that. it's ridiculous. they don't care. >> when she told me about it, the thing was, i wasn't surprised at all. and at that point, i had already been a skinhead for about 15, 16 years.

nothing was shocking anymore. >> i myself had a girl that was 14 then. that moment that made me think that that could be my child is probably the moment of the turning point where i started questioning everything that i have been led to believe all those years. >> there was plenty of times where i would see some of my brothers kick the crap out of their old ladies. >> i had a really good friend, and she was nine months pregnant and her boyfriend of ten years punched her in the eye. and this is the white power movement. and this happens all the time. >> after a while, [ muted ] like that eats at you. and then you just realize that all these things you've been telling yourself for years upon years and other people have been telling you is all just [ muted ]. >> we were both at the point where we were like, whatever, this whole thing is just ridiculous. but we weren't really out yet. we were both in there just kind of hanging on by a string.

>> as bryon and julie struggle to escape the skinhead movement, they sought the counsel of a rival of sorts. >> you don't have the right to -- >> i have every right. >> daryl lamont jenkins is an anti-racist who runs the website one people's project. >> julie was, i'm guessing at her wit's end. she wanted to talk to somebody. it's obvious they are going through something. they are asking for my help so, okay. you got it. you got it. i mean, i think of you as a human first. i don't think of you as an adversary. >> bryon's first conversation with daryle lasted more than three hours. >> he was educated. he knew what the hell he was talking about. we liked lot of the same -- >> he was the son of a preacher and in the punk rock movement in new york. >> our conversation was about the music scene. we was able to get together on kind of like this common bond that we had with each other to begin with. and, you know, just became something else as we went along. >> and the more i talked to him,

the more i realized i had in common with him than some of the guys i buddied up with for close to 20 years. you know. but that really changed me in a lot of ways. >> bryon's breakaway from the skinheads was accelerated when julie became pregnant. it would be bryon's first biological child. >> when we found out we were pregnant with him i realized it wasn't about just me anymore. i had this baby coming, and the partying had to stop. being a derelict had to stop. but he really opened my eyes to what it means to be a man basically and to try to step up to the plate. >> bryon slowly withdrew from skinhead activities, spending more time with family and less time with the vinlanders. >> i was trying to actually provide food for my family and the crew took a second place. it didn't -- it didn't have the priority that it once had, and everybody started getting kind of pissy about it. and eventually, brian james, the

president of the club called me up and said i had to make a choice between either my family or them. and so i chose my family. >> threats and harassment quickly followed. [ phone ringing ] >> there were calls at 3:00 in the morning saying "we're coming to get you." random phone calls, "you're going to die." "your family's going to die." i had to live on red alert. i wasn't sleeping at night because i was just wondering when seven, eight guys were going to kick in my door and just start shooting everybody. i didn't want to let my kids play outside. i couldn't in good conscience let them play in a yard where somebody could just drive into the yard and run them over. and to put those kids through that was just -- it was miserable in that aspect, plus it was miserable that, you know, seven or eight of these guys decided to show up that there was very little i could do about it besides just get myself killed and then let them have their way. it was -- it was hell. it was hard.

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after bryon and julie left the white power movement, the couple were being threatened by bryon's former mates. >> they take everything that you entrusted with them and they throw it right at you, and that's what they did to me. and i was pregnant with tierson. i was so sick. i was cramping up. we thought we were going to lose him. that was the summer you had the nervous breakdown. >> yeah. >> julie and i got into an argument one day over some shirt on the clothesline outside. and she was hormonal, and i was dealing with her being pregnant plus dealing with the club bull [ muted ]. i snapped and i threw her and isabella out of the room, and i ate a bottle of pills. >> it was pretty horrible. it was one of those i'm pregnant, don't leave me, don't

leave me with all this stuff going on. you know? i love you. you know, we finally found each other. we have so much in common. you know, i finally found someone that, you know, relates to me. and i can be myself to and that knows me heart and soul. and it just -- i didn't want to lose him. >> i was a roller coaster at that point. it was up and down. i was just a wreck. i got into mental care and started seeing a shrink to get my head back together. i made the decision to quit drinking then. it was incredibly hard because i did it cold turkey. i just -- just quit drinking. and it was rough. >> so he made the decision. never once did i give an ultimatum. not once. to quit drinking. he did all that on his own. >> hi.

>> good morning. >> how are you feeling? >> all right. >> last treatment today. >> yep. >> i can't believe it's been a year and a half. >> it's been a long, long time. >> it's unbelievable. i mean, it's been a long time, but i can't believe it's at the end. i think about him and how he feels because i know why he got the tattoos on his face to begin with. and i wonder, because when he's quiet sometimes, how he's feeling, how he's thinking with the tattoos off. because he thought he was unattractive. i think he's extremely attractive, with or without them. >> we've had some pretty great cases at the southern poverty law center. this one for me has been different. it's an opportunity to see what life's all about. i mean, life is about redemption. and we're trying to find our way in life. and this is an illustration on steroids. >> i'd like to personally thank the southern poverty law center. we wouldn't be making this

change in our life because we would never have been able to afford it. we owe them so much. and just this has been incredible. this has been -- i'm going to cry. this is just -- it's been a great trip. it really has. that somebody cared enough for another human being, you know, and another family to do this to allow this to happen. i'm so incredibly grateful. >> there have been a couple times when i wanted to throw in the towel, where i just -- i didn't want to do it anymore. it's been hard. it really has. >> what he's done with his life has been remarkable. we're just proud to have been able to play some small role in this rehabilitation process. hopefully, this will be something that he will carry with him and continue to do well

throughout the rest of his life. anybody who puts themselves through this much torture is bound to want to do something good with it once it's all over with. absolutely. okay. that was it. bryon, we're all done, buddy. that got it. we'll tell him again when he wakes up. but we're done. it's been an interesting road. you know, we've gotten to know them so well, they've sort of become a part of our routine around here. >> you've been awesome. >> yeah, well, we've been through a lot together, all three of us. >> you guys truly showed us the meaning of family. >> well, good. >> because what we thought we were into, there's no comparison and true feelings. >> well, it's been our pleasure. it's been a joy getting to know you guys and we're going to miss seeing you so much. >> i know. >> all right. >> he's the one that brought the light. we just did the work. you know, he wanted to make these changes. so it was very important for us to be able to try to help him if we could. even though it took a lot longer than any of us ever expected that it would, i think we've

wound up with what's going to be a very nice outcome for him. >> dr. shack's office always treated me with dignity and with respect. to them the tattoos weren't there. i was a normal person in their eyes. and that's rare for me. i never felt out of place there at all. they have always been so helpful, so sweet. i mean, i love those guys. i really do. >> i know. >> bye. >> bye. >> bye. kiss the baby for me. >> i will. you too. >> bye-bye, leslie. take care. >> bye, guys. >> i have my face back. it's great. i'm just -- i'm so excited. i'm so blessed that the opportunity came to where i could get it done. you know, god's obviously smiling upon me for some reason.

the wild things. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. the right, the far right, the far-out right. this week the right wing wild things were out there as far as the eye can see. mitch mcconnell waving his rifle. lindsey graham blaming all the world's ills on benghazi. both these characters, both up for re-election, both pandering so far to the right, they're about to land on their butts. meanwhile, at a meeting called