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i'm karen finney. as the investigation into the missing malaysian airline deepens, women are loosing their right to choose. what you can do to stop it from happening, that's all ahead. the mystery of what caused malaysia air 370 to vanish is deepening. >> radar indicates the plane may have attempted to turn back. >> new questions on some of the passengers on the plane. >> trying to identify the two individuals who were traveling on stolen passports. >> this is a real red flag. >> the surveillance video from the airport is going to be key. >> russia's move in crimea sets off alarm bells. >> this is a choice for the russians to make. they have to decide whether they want to resolve this diplomatically or face growing costs. >> we have created an image around the world, not just for the russians, but a weakness. >> vladimir putin doesn't know the collin powell rule. if you break it, you own it. >> putin needs be warned, and i'm perfectly willing to tell him if he does occupy ukraine,
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it will be chaos for him and for the world. >> you think crimea's gone. >> i do. all right. it's been more than 48 hours since the malaysian airliner vanished from the radar on the way to beijing, and there are still more questions than answers. ships and airplanes from eight nations including the united states have been scouring the waters near malaysian vietnam and still no wreckage has been found. meanwhile, interpoll says it is investigating the possibility that more than two stolen passports were used to board the flight. the agency has already confirmed that a stolen italian and missing australian passport were used to board the plane by two people who purchased their tickets together. malaysia's transport minister says they have visuals of the two people on cc-tv and investigators are now examining that footage. i'm going to bring in aviation
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expert jim tillman as well as retired special agent jim kavanaugh on the law enforcement analyst. jim, i'm going to start with you because the question on the passports is an interesting development overnight. and the question as to how it was when two individuals would be able to actually board an airplane with passports that should have been invalidated. i want to play a little bit of sound from one of the gentlemen who had his passport stolen and we'll talk about it. >> my passport, nobody can use again, because when they come back to italy, i talk with police for a lock on my lost passport. so then nobody can use. >> so jim cavanaugh, there's a fair expectation. you think you lose your passport and report it as missing and nobody should be able to use it,
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and yet we know two people were actually able to use missing passports to board this plane. >> right. i mean, it's disgustingly sloppy whether this comes out to be anything related to the crash of the airliner, karen, but when you present a pass port, it is in the interpoll database and stolen two years previously, you should be arrested at the ticket count irwhether you are a smuggler in currency or drugs or immigration violations or terrorist or whatever you are. and other passengers shouldn't be flying with you. you are a criminal using a fake, forged passport and should be stopped immediately. so that's a gross oversight. the fact is whether it's related here will be key to the investigators. you mentioned in your lead-in at the camera footage at the airport will be key to identifying the faces of these guys. and secondly documents they may have handed to the ticket agent, whether it is tickets or boarding documents should be examined carefully for fingerprints and we may be able to identify who the players are
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to lead to wider leads for the investigators. because they have to run that diagram. >> jim, i want to talk about the plane and what he have learned. today malaysia's air force chief said it is possible, we are learning that it is possible at some point the plane tried to turn around. what would that tell us? i mean, that would suggest to me that perhaps they reached cruising altitude and there was some kind of a problem, who knows what that might have been, and if indeed they had turned around, they were perhaps were returning to kuala lumpur, the airport. >> when i first heard that, i was disturbed because i wondered why would they do that and why turn without notifying the ground controllers. when flying an instrument on the commercial airplane, you don't make any moves like that without coordinating them with the ground. and they didn't do that. that's really a very puzzling fact if it is indeed true.
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>> and i want to get your take on something else, jim tillman, it is my understanding and i talked to folks about this yesterday that it is relatively easy in the design of this plane to be able to issue a distress call if you need to in terms of where the controls are, it's a relatively easy thing to do, and that seems to be one of the more mysterious elements of this story. >> it, to me, kind of spoke to the business of a very catastrophic event no matter why it happened. because it is very simple, he has a number of ways of communicating with the ground. and, of course, there are automated devices as well that keep constant realtime information available to ground controllers to keep it with what the airplane is doing. so i still come back to something catastrophic happened. something really immediate, something disabling something that made the crew ineffective. i think we have a lot of questions here. >> jim, according to reuters,
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one of the sources involved in the investigation says, quote, the fact we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at 35,000 feet. what's your take on that? >> well, i think that's a little bit going ahead of the evidence, really, because carried a bomb on the plane, for example, it would have to be a smaller device, most likely, or body carriage, so it won't be such a giant explosion to disintegrate the aircraft into small pieces. we have seen bombs on aircraft before, you know n the leadup to the plot. in the sea, they disrupted the fussile lodge of the plane and the plane still could make the landing. so it is hard to say.
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anything like jim tilman said, catastroph catastrophic. >> there's a disabled system by via satellite is constantly transferring information to maintenance systems on the ground, so i would think they would start to begin because obviously we have no plane, but they could bin to look at what may or may not happened. >> yes, there's a ping emitted from the aircraft wreckage to help the investigators know where it is. and when i started thinking about the airplane breaking up in the air, i believe it will be a large debris field and at the same time, small pieces. an engine for the airplane is not going to disintegrate on its own. and the landing gear is the size
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of an suv. >> thank you to jim tilman and jim cavanaugh. next, the political talk that could be a bellweather for 2014. your "weekly forecast" is coming up. if you wear a denture, take this simple test. press your tongue against it, like this. it moves! do you feel it? it can happen with every denture. these movements may irritate your gums. but you don't have to bear with it. you can try fixodent plus gum care. thanks to its formula, your gums become one with your denture. this helps stop movement and helps prevent gum irritation so you can keep enjoying life. [ apple crunches ] fixodent. and forget it.
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your forecast for the week ahead, a special election in florida. immigration on the frontburner and intense diplomatic rangling to try to head off a referendum on crime independence set to take place one week from today. is there anything president obama and u.s. allies can do to ease the standoff and stop the vote from happening? or is crimea already becoming a part of russia? while some republicans admit
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president obama is doing a good job handling the crisis, they still say it's all his fault. >> a critical reason for putin's aggression has been president obama's weakness. >> we have created an image around the world, not just for the russians, of weakness and indecisive. >> from day one this is an appeasement in trying to bring and reset the result of russia. >> i think wuk charitably describe this as not even wishful thinking. >> we take a position here one day and the next day we do something else. i mean, we were going to bomb syria and then the very next day, no, we are going to send it to the congress. >> even though they are unified against president obama, the republicans can't seem to agree on their own approach to foreign policy. rand paul may have been popular at the political conservative action conference where he won the straw poll by a pretty wide
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margin, but the ideas of the u.s. and the world are drawing two very different discussions from the paper. joining it seems to me the editor and chief club for the club. thanks to you both. >> hi, karen. >> it seems like even though they passed this aid package and john boehner said he wanted to bolster the president, they are still attacking him. today was full of more attacks and this is something the president has to deal with this week. >> yeah, i wasn't surprise d where they feel like obama has weakened the u.s. asian groups he just saw a republican himself defended himself with the president saying there's not a lot the president could do about
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it, but i'm not surprised the republicans are criticizing him because that's what they did for the last six and a half years. he's not right on foreign policy. >> deanna. one of the things we saw out of the cpac talked about the stance on foreign policy issues. i've got some ground from senators cruz and senators king and senators paul. let's take a listen. >> i don't agree with him on foreign policy. >> we cannot allow isolationists to take over the republican party. they are both credit services. at a time when we are on the same page, that's a pretty big
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development. >> if if you think of cprc or being more the libertarian for americans, they are embracing rand paul winning handedly. they are looking into some sort of military aggressiveness. the most important thing to keep in mind of what is going on in the text of putin. what's going on our economy is in shambles. and those sanctions will be straint ustraight up.
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>> i want to switch to immigration, perry, and i want to play something that none other ann coulter said yet. >> they need more warm bodies, more votes. amnesty goes through and the democrats have 30 million new voters. >> yeah, right, perry. this is what this is all about. >> the numbers being wrong. >> what stuck me is that this certainly is not just offensive towards people in this country but all immigrants for talking like that. the ship to the party last year,
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the cpac or yours oppose immigration. mar markorubio gave him a seventh run. >> we were at the dinner from earlier this week, and the mississippi is giving me a lot of heat. we saw leader pelosi getting ready to take on the president. >> one of the things you're seeing certainly is when nclr's
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chief, calling president obama, a chief, that's from the roosz foo -- they have felt the president's deportation policy. the thing about it is this. the gamble for the president was republicans need to scream, we need more border security, we need more border security and he cracked town. republicans immigration has not moved toward reform. what you're seeing now in the ad have have to advocacy vote. >> i think both sides are really looking at this next race as a
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sign of momentum from the this. >> we are make iing sure that t issue is less politically potent as we thought. secondly, this is one way to have the math suggest that republicans will gain this year, but can this strength win? that's where we are seeing it again bthis big. from the coast to washington, d.c., millions raised their votes in the proposed ko keystone isle.
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the bait is settled. climate change is fact, and when our children's children look us in the eye and ask if we did all we could to leave them a safer, more stable world with new sources of energy, i want us to be able to say, yes, we did. >> that was president obama making a promise to future generations on the issue of clilt change in his state of the union this year. now he tests that progress in his presidency as he determines whether he'll move forward with the keystone pressure mileage. many thought this vote would be close. they received over 2 million after several were found at the white house last week with many protests against the picket
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line. a new pipeline spill was reported last thursday in port noches, texas, where they warned they may notice a noxious odor in the estimates 360 barrels of oil. joining me now is former white house aid to president obama and the director of public policy at green for all, michael blake, and executive director and bo bold -- where do we go from here? >> we have to be clear this is a climate change disaster waiting to happen. we have high public risk. that's going to happen with the construction of keystone. every time we look at raising
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the and pushing back like others have done. >> i think you and yourself turned yourself into this kind of pivotal moment in the obama presidency. i think for some time it was kind of one of those decisions to be signed or not and wouldn't know about it. but during this period while he's supposedly trying to make a decision, why? >> if the president don't come out indiana, he's -- we're going to bring nebraska and the route to him. so we have a cowboy and illinois alliance for moms and myself. we are literally going to put up tepees, bring our water from the
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a out here. >> jamie made an important point that the president aught to here. let's play that. >> reporter: if president obama were standing here, what would you ask him? >> personally, i would ask him if he would willingly sleep 275 feet away from a 36-inch pipe of sludge and poison day after day after day. if that's something he would really feel comfortable doing. personally, i don't. >> michael, this is where it comes back to, the idea that people will have no recourse with this going through their backyard or through their communities, and we don't really know much about what the potential effects of exposure are from.
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when you think about communities last weekend, we had a gentleman from port arthur, texas. in every part of the country, it just feels like they are sort of helpless in entities like ours. >> that's why we have to push back. if the president doesn't come out, i'll come out for steak and we'll have a good time. we have seen the stocks disas r disaster. now we have to raise awareness to everyone saying this is how you push back and say, we cannot allow this to occur. there's no real benefit to happen from this at all. >> i want to briefly -- yeah, go ahead. usually the do property that is a major issue.
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transcanada is coming in to tell landowners from day one, if you don't sign our contract, we'll take it through imminent domain. they don't offer a fair price or fair terms of the contract. they shift it all to the environmental issues, but i hope when the president making the decision he's considering this as well. >> i've heard that and know that about other parts of the pipeline. how is it possible that someone can come in to tell you what is yours and what isn't yours and in the meantime put your health and your life and family's health in danger? >> that's exactly right. and that's why so many farmers and ranchers who are not conservative republicans are standing shoulder to shoulder with progressive environmentalists saying this is america and our land. and this is one time where we're looking to the president to say no to big oil. and we don't have to keep on giving big oil everything that they want just in the name of jobs. we have a lot of jobs, which
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obviously green for all, bold nebraska build a clean energy barn inside the pipeline rope to build energy that doesn't risk land and water and look to investments for kids. >> this is why we're pushing back, because we want to focus on resiliency in sacramento. we are focusing on clean energy. >> the republicans claim this is a job creator because it creates contemporary jobs but all of us say the potential qualifications. thank you, michael and jane, keep up the good work. coming up, as women's rights to aboor -- why would
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that directly contradicts the supreme court. these are designed to limit our rights and not a challenge against roe v. wade. also, three more clinics were forced to close in texas as h.b. 2 passed last year with the heroic filibuster going into effect. among those that closed was the last remaining clinic in the poorest part of the state. laws on h.b. 2 in texas are having a real impact on women's lives. as more of these laws are implemented around the country, more women are being deprived of their rights and forced to make impossible choices. joining me now, carolyn jones, a contributing writer for "the texas observer" and the pro-choice texas. heather, i want to start with
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what's going on with you in texas. the first part of the law, trap law, talk about that, and then the second part of the law or the next phase actually goes into effect in september, which is going to make it even worse. right, that's correct, karen. so with the first part of the law, the first three provisions of the law, we saw -- we went from 42 clinics a year ago and down we are hovered right near 20 clinics left in the state. safe, legal abortion care for women. and there are whole areas in the state where now it's impossible to get care for the majority of west texas. the entire rio grande area and also affects those women coming over from louisiana. >> we have a full screen to show 44 clinics to 24 clinics. then in september you'll be down to 6 clinics, to make it even
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more nearly impossible for -- given the closures in the state, this will affect the low-income women the hardest. >> absolutely. we know these are women who are already struggling. i have worked on abortion-fund hotlines for years and spoken to these women who are struggling and struggling to feed their families. and after the 2011 cuts to family planning where we lost more than 70, 7-0 family planning clinics across the state of texas, they cannot access reproductive health care. >> carolyn, you wrote an article for "texas observer" and one woman, we know that's not her real name, but she, one of the things i found so powerful about her story is we rarely get a glimpse into how difficult a decision this is for people
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emotionally, not just -- now we're talking about the logistics becoming incredibly complicated. please tell her story a little bit, but also the emotional turmoil. this was not an easy decision for her. >> that's right. i wrote about a mom in suburban houston, we call her sarah gula. but she discovered at her 19-week ultrasound her feet had a condition that is incompatible with life. she was realing from the this and her doctor said she couldn't interrupt the pregnancy, she would have to go to an abortion clinic. the new law is the 20-week abortion ban. if you are at 19 weeks, he said, you have seven days, and he sent them out on their own trying to find a climate to terminate the pregnancy so she did not have to
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wait for the baby to die. she ended up driving to arkansas, a ten-hour drive overnight. they had very little liquid cash available. they put themselves in thousands of dollars of debt in order to make this trip to the clinic in arkansas. on the way out of town, she pawned her wedding ring. they through their january rent money into the pot in order to cover the costs. when they arrived at the clinic, they were swarmed by protesters, and we said, don't do this, you don't know what the child can become. and but it was a very private decision and suddenly they ended up in another state, not in the care of their own doctor, but fearing for her health and safety and feeling terribly alone. now they are in debt struggling to get out of. >> what concerns me is to hear
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more stories like that. yesterday the gwomen who have ideas like that, what a dramatic story to go to arkansas to get this done. clearly this was a hard choice. and now we are looking at potentially more things last night. perhaps even trying to go to mexico to get an abortion. >> absolutely. we know from history that women have gone to hex coast to seek unsafe, illegal abortion care. and that's a huge factor with texas, is that we are along the border. and the other factor is women accessing pills to induce abortion with pills. and if taken correctly, it can be incredibly safe. however, you know, they have to have the information on how to do that correctly. >> well, and the procedure
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itse itself, it's legal. you hear the stories of women having to go through this and this is a legal right that they have. so i applaud you for the work you're doing. thank you so much for sharing your story. >> thank you. thousands gather to show the courage that was fought for us four years ago. that's coming up. [bell rings] this...is jane. her long day on set starts with shoulder pain... ...and a choice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for... ...all day relief. hmm. [bell ring] "roll sound!" "action!" in fact, they depend on a unique set of nutrients. [ male announcer ] that's why there's ocuvite to help protect your eye health. as you age, your eyes can lose vital nutrients. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients.
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on the social front, we're headed for disaster. the collapse of the traditional american family speaks for itself. with almost 41% of american babies now born out of wedlock, many deplore, ill-educated women who cannot support them. >> oh, many conservatives like bill riley like to blame society problems on poor single mothers and single parenting in general, but while we have heard a lot of talk about the poor, we still haven't heard many proposals on how to help low-income people. just how to cut many of the programs they rely on to make it harder for poor, single parents to raise their children. the one exception is the mostly broad-based support for the tax credit.
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as secretary jack lew pointed out, the eitc keeps about 10 million people including 5 million children out of poverty. and as jonathan check pointed out, conservative groups like the american action forum support the expansion. finding in their report, quote, in addition to expanding the maximum credit available, policymakers can reform the eitc to increase the average credit received by childless workers. well, guess what? that's exactly what president obama's budget plan proposes estimated to help a total of 12.5 million workers. the question is will the gop support the president's proposal or again reject it because it's an obama proposal? on the white house plan, the maximum benefit for childless workers raises the maximum income level and expands the eligibility age. all elements you would think republicans would be eager to support, but here's what congressman paul ryan had to say this weekend on "morning joe"
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about the president's proposed budget. >> he's not moving toward republicans or offering common ground! he's moving farther to the left. that's my entire point. >> actually, mr. ryan, the earned income tax credit is doing just that, finding common ground. just listen to what you, yourself said. >> the minimum wage makes it more expensive for employers to hire lower skilled workers. but the eitc gives workers a boost without hurting their prospects m. economists have found the eitc increasing jobs and gives families more flexibility helping them take ownership of their lives. >> in addition to helping more low-income people, the president also recognized the reality that increasingly single-parent homes are the norm, not the outliar. it also appear that is president obama has called conservatives bluff. so joining me now to discuss is economic columnist nor "the new
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york times," edwardo porter and angela blackwell. thank you for joining me. edwardo, you said the eitc was signed into law by president ford, president reagan expanded it, and, you know, it's a program that generally has had pretty broad support from republicans. >> oh, indeed. in fact, even today, very recently and the pages of "the new york times", greg was an economic adviser to president george bush. he overrided the minimum wage to low-income families. so this has had a wide bipartisan basis of support for a very, very long time. angela, i want to look at what bloomberg wrote, your move, republicans. conservative economists have long been pushing for the expanded credit arguing it's a
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better way to lift personal income than raising minimum wage. they are right and now congressional republicans have an opportunity to show that they agree. obviously, we would say let's also raise the minimum wage, but certainly on this point about expanding your income tax credit is a real tungt to take a serious step alleviating poverty. >> absolutely. it is their move because they have been saying on the republican side whether they like the tax credit or talking about the minimum wage. here's their chance to show they really do care about poverty. we've been hearing a lot of words about poverty, but usually it all ends with poor women need to get married rather than looking at how to be in a day's reality providing the support families need. and to expand it to childless support and to add bipartisan
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support, it is time to put their words to action. >> you wrote about this this week, the idea of having some compassion and really thinking about the -- i view it as being the practical reality that we -- this is how americans are living their lives, this is how workers are living their lives, so this is an opportunity to actually have a tax policy, which generally is pretty dry stuff. i actually did a social narrative on that. >> indeed. the narrative is for people to work their way out of poverty. we need to change their behaviors, if you are married and have children, you have to conform to the narrative little box. but that ignores the way many people live today. and in fact it ignores the economic forces to -- so right
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now you're talking a diet that doesn't do what it did for 30 years ago. one earner is keeping a family of four out of poverty, and you need to get pay way from this -- it says the labor market, the people as they are in the organization they have. >> on top of that, i always hear this rhetoric, if you look at the paul ryan budget, for example, time and time again they also propose to cut programs that actually help single parents or help low-income individuals, help them raise their children and make sure they get to work. i think it is something we have not quite addressed with them. it is frustrating when you hear rhetoric, we want growth
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and precipitation. we want families trying to get childcare, their children need the skills they need to participate. young people to help them get into the workforce. we have to start alling this out. because what we are seeing is people are able to pursue this and then when it is time to put forth to a vote, the republicans are not there. >> and i also think so much is on single women and demonizing the reality that many women are raising children on their own, whether by choice or not. and as you pointed out, it is harder for single fathers. but the dee monthization of women i find dispensed. >> when women are being disrespected and the reality is
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just as eduardo is saying, men who would be marriageable partners aren't working, aren't making enough money, don't seem to have the future, so we have to begin to the reality are gouk to work every day and can't work themselves out of poverty. >> we'll leave it there, but i would argue that's what the president was trying to do with the earn income tax credit. thank you to eduardo porter and angela blackwell. that does it for me. share your thoughts and find us on facebook and tweet us @msn us @msnbc.com. until then, have a great week.
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