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some great, tough middle class americans who simply will not give up. we go inside the steel mill at lorraine, ohio. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from tallahassee, florida, the state's capitol, where earlier today my civil rights organization, national action network, and other groups came together to rally against the stand your ground law. thousands came out today, and we'll talk about it later in the show. but we start tonight with breaking news. bridget kelly breaking her silence. on the eve of a pivotal court hearing, nbc has obtained exclusive new video of kelly, the former christie aide who sent the e-mail "time for some traffic problems in fort lee."
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nbc's michael isikoff caught up with bridget kelly and her lawyer. >> bridget? hi. mike isikoff with nbc news. >> excuse me. >> i just want to ask a few questions. how you holding up? >> i'm okay, thank you. >> can you tell us how difficult an experience this has been for you? >> i'm not going to comment. >> would you say that there is more to the story that people haven't heard? ? . >> also today we learned the federal investigation into the bridge scandal is expanding to include one of governor christie's closest political allies. federal prosecutors have subpoenaed the records of david samson, the chairman of the port authority, the agency in charge of the george washington bridge. investigators are reportedly looking for potential conflict
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of interests involving samson's role at the agency and his prominent law firm. all of this comes as we await bridget kelly at her court hearing tomorrow. joining me now is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff and criminal defense attorney brian wice, who has experience with political corruption cases. thank you both for being here tonight. >> good to be with you. >> michael, let me start with you. you spoke to bridget kelly's attorney. tell me about that. >> well, first of all, as you can see from that video, bridget kelly herself still looks quite anguished over this, almost traumatized, is in no mood to talk herself. but what is interesting is that tomorrow at this court hearing on whether her fifth amendment
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claims can cover her documents and e-mails and text messages, she's going to be there. so she doesn't have to be there. but by showing up in court, she and i think her lawyer, michael critchley are making a statement that she's very much a player in this, that she is going to assert her rights, and that she may well have something to say if and when that time comes that she has to say it. so i think that it's raised quite a few eyebrows that she is going to be in court tomorrow. stepien, bill stepien, who his claims are also being heard in this courtroom, he is not going to be there. she is. >> now talking about raising eyebrows, michael, you asked bridget kelly's lawyer what would happen if she was promised immunity. i want to play that. >> if she got immunity, would
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she be willing to tell her story? >> well, that's a hypothetical. and let's see how the events abide. . that was not a no, michael. how do you read that? >> no, it was definitely not a no. look, in the court papers that her lawyer, michael critchley filed in this, he talks about how the u.s. attorney's office has contacted him and is seeking to talk to bridget kelly. he said no. she's going to assert her fifth amendment rights. but look, it's very clear this is the game as it's played in the criminal defense world. that's the opening gambit. what her lawyer really wants is a grant of immunity. and then if he gets that, then she will talk. it's the same game that david wildstein and his lawyer are playing, seeking immunity from that u.s. attorney investigation. and what has to happen here is almost a dance in which she or her lawyer has to sort of suggest to the u.s. attorney
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that if she gets that immunity, she'll be able to open up and identify others who may have been involved in ordering those lane closures. she's not going to get it unless the u.s. attorney becomes convinced that she's got solid information along those lines. but that is what her lawyer's positioning her for. >> now brian, you're a noted defense attorney. are they holding out for immunity as michael seems to think? and what statement is being made by her coming to the hearing tomorrow that she doesn't have to be at and colleague or former colleague is not coming to the hearing and he faces the same issues? >> well, al, i'm not sure you can read anything into that, necessarily. but i think mike makes a great point. you don't need to be the solicitor general of the united states to recognize that bridget kelly's position is simple.
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if i talk, i walk. and at this point, i think everybody believes and people who have watched your show and watched ms over the course of the last couple of months have come to believe she is probably the most likely domino to fall. and she can tell them, look, if you give me immunity, i will tell you the truth. i can give you the keys to the bridgegate kingdom. >> now, michael, you also asked bridget kelly's attorney about the court hearing tomorrow. i want to play that. >> is there something she wants to say by showing up in court tomorrow? >> well, she wants everyone to know that she feels that she has rights that have to be asserted. and severe thunderstorm is going to be the proceeding where hopefully it's the last step in arguing this issue in terms of what documents have to be turned over, not turned over. >> what do you make of the statement, michael, when her lawyer says to you, bridget kelly feels she has rights that have to be asserted?
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how do you read that? >> well, it's actually an interesting legal argument. the subpoena called for her to turn over e-mails, text messages that she has regarding the lane closures. and what her lawyer is saying is what is regarding the lane closures mean? if she has to identify certain e-mails and text messages that don't specifically refer to lane closures, such as time for traffic problems in fort lee, but she would be saying they are regarding the lane closures then she is waiving her first amendment rights. she is testifying in effect that these e-mails and these exchanges relate to the lane closures. it's a form of forcing her to testify. and it's a very interesting legal argument as to whether or
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not the subpoena can be enforced in this, and whether it may have to be recast and made more specific, or this goes up in appeals. but while this legal argument is playing out, what it means is we don't hear bridget kelly's story, and we don't -- the legislative committee doesn't get those e-mails, doesn't get those text messages, and the investigation is in some respects stalled. >> now, let me ask you this, brian. we've learned that investigators, or at least an investigator for the u.s. attorney's office attempted to contact ms. kelly, and also attempted to contact her parents, ms. kelly's ex-husband, and other in-laws. i mean, what would they be hoping to accomplish by doing that? >> i think ultimately, al, they want bridget kelly to believe that there is no way out except to cooperate. now while michael says that her legal argument is interesting, it is, but it may not
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necessarily be meritorious. because we have heard on this show, our good buddy paul butler, professor at georgetown has told us there is no right that keeps you from not having to produce documents that are not covered by the fifth amendment privilege. so make no mistake. when she walks into mercer county court tomorrow, she a two touchdown underdog there is not going to be a legal privilege that extends to those e-mails, and texts and everything else, which is why, al a subpoena is ultimately the greatest weapon that any prosecutor has in their arsenal. >> now, let me go back to you, michael. bill stepien's attorney, he revealed in a court filing that federal prosecutors went to his home, stepien's home. he wasn't there. so investigators, quote, questioned his landlord about his conduct and character. was he married? was he rowdy as a tenant? did he pay his rent on time?
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i mean, why would they be asking these type of questions? >> look, when you get investigated by the feds, it's a full-blown deal. and they try to get every scrap of information they can about you. they talk to everybody. they look at everything in your background, everything that they can find out. so it's not that surprising. this is a pretty -- you put those two court filings together, one by stepien's lawyer, the other by bridget kelly's lawyer. and what you see is a pretty aggressive investigation by paul fishman, the u.s. attorney in newark. he is not taking this lightly. so i think you can infer from this that this is going to be going on for a while, and there is going to be a lot of people who are going to be questioned, a lot of people who ultimately may be brought before the grand jury. >> michael isikoff and brian
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wice, thank you both for your time tonight. one quick note. the bergen record just reported that federal prosecutors in manhattan vu withdrawn subpoena seeking records about david samson. repeat, prosecutors have withdrawn that subpoena. lots of developments here. we'll see what happens in court tomorrow. coming up, believe it or not, they are still vowing to repeal obama care, even as more good news rolls in. and surprise, surprise. dick cheney wants more war, and he is attacking the president during an international crisis. plus, governor bobby jindal talking about whether the president is smart. i know one thing. that's not a smart strategy for him. and we're in florida, where the shoot first, ask questions later stand your ground law started. why the march to repeal it today is personal. stay with us.
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obamacare repealed? every word as you say? >> every word -- >> with obama in the white house? >> what's funny, john, is the media treats that as a bizarre proposition. >> well it is, isn't it? >> it is the most unpopular law in the country. >> yes, this is a bizarre proposition. saying he could repeal the president's signature legislation while he is still in office? haven't i heard that before? but reality just doesn't stop these republicans. and on the other side of capitol hill, speaker boehner is getting in the spirit, gearing up for the house to hold its 51st vote to attack the health care law this week. what is speaker boehner thinking? why would he waste time trying to repeal a law that is working? today we learned the rate of uninsured americans has dropped more than 1% in the last three months. meaning three to four million people have coverage. now, we can't be sure how much
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of that is due to the health care law. but we're moving in the right direction. and it's past time for senator cruz and speaker boehner to accept that reality. joining me now are congressman jim mcdermott and joan walsh. thank you both for being here tonight. >> it's good to be here. >> thanks, rev. >> congressman, you can't make it up. repealing obama care while the president is in office, i mean, what's going on here? >> well, he is talking to his base, al there is just no question. either that or he is truly, as you say, delusional. it makes no sense at all. you got to remember, this guy thought that it was a good idea to shut the government down. you saw how that turned out. well, this is the same way. if he were to repeal the obama law, all the people that would lose the benefits they already have would be angrier than hell. it would be wild if you took away health care from all the people under 26 and all the
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people with preexisting conditions, and all these things that people have gained. so there is no way this is going to be repealed. but he wants his people to believe that he is out there fighting for something that he's created in his own mind. it is not what the american people want. >> you know, joan, ted cruz wasn't the only one attacking the health care law. you had the big conservative conference over the weekend. >> oh, yeah. >> look at this. >> we need to repeal every single word of obamacare. >> the president also is transformed our health care system into a plus-sized bureaucracy. >> then you can actually end obamacare, which is a total catastrophe. >> take obamacare. the way the president tells it -- okay, don't take obamacare. but just work with me, okay? >> i do not like this, uncle sam, i do not like his health care scam. i do not like --
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>> now, joan, i get it, this plays well to the base. >> right. >> but how long can they ignore how much good this law is doing for a lot of american people? >> forever, forever, reverend al. they're going to ignore it as long as they're in office there are no consequences for them to do so. you know, ted cruz is now obsessed with repealing every word. he shut down the government as congressman mcdermott says to do that. it didn't succeed. it brought the republican party to historic lows in the polls. but he is still telling the base that it can be done. it's ridiculous. another thing that happened last week, "the wall street journal," of all places, reported that the small rise in personal income and in consumer spending, the economy is growing, right? it's attributable to people having more money in their pockets because of the affordable care act. so it's helping the economy. it's bringing down the rate of
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uninsured people. it's doing all these positive things, and that's why they're desperate to stop it. but they can't. >> congressman, if you look at the politics of it, the american people don't want to repeal the law. i mean, the most recent nbc poll found 54% of americans want to fix the health care law. 17% want to keep it as is. and 28% want to repeal it. so 70% of americans want to fix the law or keep it as it is. i mean, what does that say to you? >> well, it says to me that the next candidate for president is not going to be ted cruz on the republican side. and certainly, the winner isn't. it's going to be somebody who uses obama care as a launching pad. by the time we get to 2016, it is going to be in place and functioning very efficiently. right now we're going through some bumps. but it's all going to be ironed out the next three years, in spite of these guys' efforts to
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destroy it. i think they have politically totally misread the american people. they have totally misread the situation. americans are worried about health care and what happens if they get sick. because it has been the number one cause of bankruptcy for people's disaster. so people want to have some protection from that. it's like living in some places in this country without flood insurance. every american lives without health insurance knows they can be wiped out at any moment. they don't want that. >> you know, joan, when you look at tough races like in louisiana, senator mary landrieu, who is a democrat. >> right. >> she is in a tough reelection fight. and she started a petition on her website calling on governor jindal to accept the medicaid expansion, saying close the jindal gap. now because the governor has
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refused the medicaid expansion, more than 240,000 louisiana residents are left without insurance. are we seeing a shift of democrats going on the offensive here, joan? >> yeah, i think we are. and i would like to see it from more democrats. i hope wendy davis makes this a big issue in texas, which has a tragically high uninsurance rate, and rick perry doesn't care about it and turned down that money. i think it can work in red states. it can work in purple states. people know that medicaid expansion is a good idea, and they're also leaving money on the table. some states are taking it. some republican governors are taking it, and others are using ideology against their own people. and they're hurting their economy. the medicaid expansion is, again, hugely stimulative for the rest of the community. it's money spent in communities as well as money spent to keep people healthier or get them healthy. those things are synergistic.
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i think there is going to be a lot more pressure on red state governors to take this money. >> congressman jim mcdermott and joan walsh, thank you both for your time. i'm going to have to leave there it tonight. >> all right. we'll be back. still ahead, still ahead, he is back! dick cheney thinks he's got a big problem all figured out. you'll want to hear this one. but first, governor jindal once told republicans they should not be the stupid party. but has he failed to take his own advice? that's tonight's got you.
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crisis is barack obama. >> a critical reason for putin's aggression has been president obama's weakness. number one, don't demonstrate weakness for five years. >> so vladimir putin invaded ukraine because president obama is weak? that's their theory? maybe all these gop experts on foreign policy should listen to a member of their own party who actually knows what he is talking about. former defense secretary robert gates. >> in the middle of a major international crisis that some of the domestic criticism of the president ought to be toned down while he is trying to handle this crisis, my own view is after all, putin invaded georgia when george w. bush was president. nobody ever accused george w. bush of being weak or unwilling to use military force. >> secretary gates is right.
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the gop's attacks on this are all about politics. and now they're exposing their own hypocrisy. joining me now are krystal ball and former pennsylvania governor ed rendell. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> governor rendell, no one did attack president bush like this when russia invaded georgia. but now it's fair game to attack president obama? >> well, it isn't fair game, and it comes with a lot of gall for dick cheney to be leading the criticism of president obama when dick cheney was vice president to president bush and they did their response to the invasion of georgia was much weaker. they didn't do anything compared to the steps president obama has taken. it's ludicrous. it's gotten so bad, rev, that if president obama discovered a cure for cancer, the republicans would bash him for doing nothing
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about heart disease. >> you know, krystal, talking about dick cheney, i mean, he knows a thing or two about invading foreign countries. >> indeed. >> but he is offering his wisdom on the crisis. listen to this. >> i worry when one would begin to address a crisis by taking options off the table. >> have they done that? >> in a sense by say nothing military. he seems to operate that way most of the time there are military options that don't involve putting troops on the ground in crimea. >> so former vice president cheney thinks that we ought to consider military options in russia? >> yeah. well, and there is so much here. first of all, why are we listening to anything that this man says at this point on foreign policy, other than to find out what we shouldn't do. second of all, he and
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condoleezza rice in an op-ed both sort of echoed this point that we're not strong enough, and we're not exerting our influence enough in the world. and condoleezza rice actually makes the rice that americans seem exhausted. well, why are we exhausted? we're exhausted because dick cheney and condoleezza rice and george w. bush got us engaged in wars that were completely unnecessary, unbelievably costly. and so, yeah, if anyone has taken options off the table for america, it's dick cheney and george w. bush because we are fatigued. we are fatigued of military engagements overseas, and that is not president obama's fault that is their fault. >> now, governor, you know, rand paul, he floated his own idea on how to solve the crisis in ukraine. listen to this. >> i would do something differently than the president, because that would immediately get every obstacle out of the
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way for our export of oil and gas. i would begin drilling in every possible and conceivable place within our territories. >> so we should teach putin a lesson by drilling in every possible conceivable place? is that his idea, krystal? >> it's pretty remarkable that that's where they have to go. it's either military options or drill, baby, drill. that's basically the republican response to everything. and when the criticism of president obama started on this, they were essentially saying he needs to be stronger. but nobody could figure out anywhere they would actually do something different from the president. so this is their new line now, that he needs to drill, and that's going to solve the crisis in ukraine. >> governor, what do you think of this new line of attack? >> well, it's really ludicrous, rev. for a simple reason. i'm a governor who allowed
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fracking to go on with oversight, and it's been good for the pennsylvania economy and it's producing natural gas. but we don't have a port on the east coast capable of exporting lng. first thing you've got to do is build a lng liquefied natural gas port on the east coast that would take to build it probably three years. so the earliest we could begin sending liquefied natural gas over to europe is in three or four years. and that's going to -- putin hopefully will be long gone by three or four years. it's a ludicrous suggestion to say that's going to solve the current problem. >> you know, krystal, we heard the gop's favorite attack line over the weekend at cpac at their conservative conference, that the president -- president obama is a lawless tyrant. listen. >> the president's absolute and utter disregard for the constitution, well, there is simply no reason to trust him to
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enforce the law on the books. >> shine the boot that would stomp on our neck, working the statist agenda of obama. >> our leaders pick and choose the thrace want to enforce. >> the beliefs, needs, and wants of others are forced on us by government. >> as we live under the imperial president, his highness barack hussein obama, mmm, mmm, mmm. >> we need to stop the lawlessness. this president of the united states is the first president we've ever had who thinks he can choose which laws to enforce and which laws to ignore. >> the president of the united states is treating our constitution worse than a place matt at denny's. >>. >> krystal, how can president obama be weak and be a tyrant at the same time? >> it's a little confusing. and i think it only makes sense in the minds of the right and the republican leadership, if it even makes sense there. they will find any way to attack this president.
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and this is not the first time that they've been simultaneously arguing that he is an imperial tyrant on the one hand, and that he is weak-willed and can't get anything done, is ineffectual on the other. it makes no sense, but it doesn't matter because their vision and their judgment is clouded by their hatred. >> doesn't these kind of contradictory messages, governor, only confuse independent voters that may be leaning their way? >> sure. i think there is a real risk in demonizing the president so often. and that's to turn the independent voters off. i mean, president obama has used executive orders far less than president bush or president reagan. the gop attacked him for being on vacation this past weekend. well, when russia invaded georgia, president bush was on vacation and didn't come back. conducted affairs from the vacation spot. again, they literally take anything president obama does and try to turn into it a negative. and it's eventually going to
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backfire. and i believe it's beginning to backfire now. but you can't keep doing this. you sound stupid. you sound ill-informed, and you sound highly partisan. and the american people are looking for something better than that. >> yep. >> governor rendell and krystal ball, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, rev. >> and catch krystal on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. coming up, putting an end to stand your ground. if grieving parents can find the courage to speak out, then politicians can find the courage to listen. but first, it's an unprecedented mystery. how did a plane carrying more than 200 people vanish into thin air? that's next. emily's just starting out... and on a budget. like a ramen noodle- every-night budget. she thought allstate car insurance was out of her reach. until she heard about the value plan.
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it's being called a, quote, unprecedented aviation mystery. how did a jetliner carrying 239 people vanish, seemingly without a trace? today investigators widened the search area for the missing plane, with 34 aircrafts and 48 ships from nearly a dozen countries involved. so far leads like an oil slick and other debris have been nothing more than false alarms. the jetliner was about an hour
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from takeoff when something went wrong. flight 370 was flying at 35,000 feet and roughly 500 miles per hour when the malaysian military says it seemed to turn back before then disappearing from radar. if it suddenly broke up in flight, the debris could be spread over massive area. but what could have happened? the possibilities include a calamitous mechanical malfunction, a structural failure, even a bomb. >> that final possibility, foul play, is on the mind of investigators. they're not ruling out the possibility the plane may have been hijacked. authorities say two passengers on board the plane were traveling with stolen passports. they'd each booked one-way flights to europe through beijing. but was it a terror attack or just a terrible accident? and where is the plane that holds the answer? joining me now is jim cavanaugh,
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a former atf special agent who led the investigations into the atlanta olympic bombing, and david suoci, author of "why planes crash." thank you both for coming on the show. >> thanks, reverend al. >> thank you for having us. >> jim, if you were running this investigation, what are your questions? >> well, certainly a lot of questions about all the passengers and the flight crew, i'd want to examine all of them completely. what we call a psychological autopsy, what were they doing in the days and months previous to the flight. you know, could there be some suicide afoot, a person that wanted to kill themselves, whether they were a passenger or the crew. all that would have to be worked up. and of course, the people you pointed out, reverend al, the passports, you get on with a stolen passport you have a criminal purpose. it might be drug smuggling or
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currency smuggling. it could be immigration violations. it could be terror. so i'd want to know everything about them. the people traveling on the stolen passports. and i'd -- >> do you think? >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> do you think it's terror? >> i think it's too early to tell. i don't think it can be ruled out. i think there are some having interesting facts here. one thing i would be asking, probably the biggest question i would have to the pilots and like your other guest is from the radar signature when the plane made the turn, was that turn made by a human hand? could they tell us from the altitude, the speed, the arc of the turn, was that turn made by a human hand? because if it was made by a human hand, then that would tell us that somebody knew there was trouble on board. it doesn't mean the pilot made the turn, it means somebody knew there was trouble on board. and you have to take the next logical step. >> david, no debris was found
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yet. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me a couple of things. first of all, as jim had mentioned, the turnaround, if it's a controlled turn would indicate that someone of human hand did that what is perplexing about that, however is malaysia airlines' operating procedure is if there is trouble on the aircraft, before they execute the turn to come back, they need to contact malaysian airlines and let them know that that's what their intent. that didn't happen. so it does indicate there was some kind of foul play or a communication failure of some kind. but as far as the debris pattern goes, i find it unlikely that there was an in-flight breakup simply because with the search efforts under way, if there were an inflight breakup, the spread of debris would be miles long. and in my experience, any in flight breakup, the investigations have i done have been very obvious as to where the aircraft is. if there was some foul play, if
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something happened on board the aircraft, i believe that that aircraft was intact when it impacted the water. >> now, that brings us back to what you raise, jim. you mention there is a lot of attention on the two passengers who boarded with stolen passports. nbc news has also learned that their tickets were purchased by an iranian middle man, and that they were paid for in cash. what do you make of this? >> right. well, these are criminals on stolen passports. they don't want their identities known. they're paying for them in cash. and just like you let in here, reverend al, this is why you have pilots who are brilliant at helping you solve these mysteries. and then you have investigators who put their talents to work. you have an inflight turn, like david said, made by a human hand. how could that possibly happen? david told you. maybe the communication was broke. but it could also be -- i find it very interesting that the plane reached cruising altitude. because what happens when a plane reaches cruising altitude
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is it's not under probably great stress. that's a question for david, mechanically, hydraulically with the computers. but what happens in the passenger cabin? the seat belt light goes off. we hear the ding. you're free to move about the cabin. and if there were passengers bent on, you know, storming the cabin, two or four or more, you know, that may the signal for them, the preagreed signal to get up and do something. and when we talk about how could you turn with no radio, if there is a knife at the pilot's throat and he is ordered to turn, he is not going to be able to radio. then there could be a fight for the cockpit and the flight could go down like flight 93 in pennsylvania. we don't know what happened. but whatever happens, you have to start with a foundation of facts, like the plane made a turn. and then you have to be able to have things that could possibly agree with the fact. the fact won't change. it's a stubborn thing, as churchill said. >> david, do you have any time frame, any idea when we might get some answers?
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>> we really don't, unfortunately right now. of course, the first thing is to find the aircraft. i'm certain that we will. i think that as -- from 35,000 feet to impact is a long distance at those kind of speeds. and we're only at 50 or 60 nautical miles right now. and it could easily be way beyond that. so it may take some time. there are experts looking. we're going to have to wait until we get some facts. >> jim cavanaugh and david soucie, thank you both for your time this evening. >> thanks, reverend al. >> certainly. thank you. still ahead, still ahead, a new gop outrage. they're going after great american literature. what is their problem with dr. suess? plus, the fight to end stand your ground. today we took a major step forward. stay with us. [phones rings]
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you turn around and kill him, saying he threw popcorn on you, you're standing on shaky ground. i come to tell the governor and the senate and the state legislature that you're standing on shaky ground. >> finally tonight, the fight against stand your ground. hundreds joined my civil rights group and other organizations today here at the state capitol in florida to call to an end to this unjust law. the protesters included the parents of two stand your ground victims, trayvon martin and jordan davis. >> i am not here to accuse michael dunn of hiding behind the stand your ground law. i am here to accuse that law of giving him something to stand behind. >> i come too far from where i started from. i come too far to give up now.
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>> yes. >> florida has a problem. >> we're going to stand with you all. we're going to continue to fight. and eight months, if stand your ground ain't changed, we got to make change in that office. >> florida is where this law began, and it's where we'll start to end it. new bills in the state legislature would call for new neighborhood watch guidelines, and make it more difficult for aggressors to use the stand your ground defense. but right now repeal is off the table. the law still stands. it's time these politicians start listening to the will of the people and to all the victims of this unjust law. as i sat on that stage today, seeing leading personalities from tom joyner and on, and leading ministers, leading lawyers, everybody, what really touched me was looking out at all of the young children that
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marched, thinking which of those children stand in the danger of some day growing into teenagers and someone think they're a threat, and they don't even get what you get in court, where you're innocent until proven guilty. they can be taken out of this world because someone said they were threatened. and there is a law that says you have no obligation, none, to retreat. and you can use deadly force, even if it's not an actual threat. that's frightening, and that's not what america should stand for. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. the clown car goes to war. let's play "hardball."
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