say this is a great way that the people of this country can be better served by the trusted united states postal services. >> great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. we will stay on the story and try to change the thinking of the white house on this one. that's the ed show. politics nation starts right now. good evening, rev. >> thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the gop's poor logic. congressman paul riyan has been trying to pass himself off as the republican expert on solving poverty. today he made an offensive new claim saying the real problem is an inner city culture of not working. >> we have got this tailspin of culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the

culture of work. so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with. >> inner city men not working. who do you think he is talking about? i have a news flash for the congressman. people living in poverty in inner cities and rural areas everywhere want jobs. they want jobs with decent wages. but by saying it's a cultural problem, ryan is giving the republicans an excuse to avoid helping those who are struggling, almost 2 million workers cut off from unemployment benefits since republicans let them expire in december. that's not a bogus cultural problem, it's real. but republicans just pretend those people don't exist. and democrats are calling them out for it. today house democrats introduced what is known as a discharge petition, trying to force republicans to hold a vote on extending jobless benefits.

>> think of this number, 2 million. 2 million people cut off from unemployment insurance. >> 200,000 returning veterans who are trying to ease their way back into the workforce. >> last month a constituent wrote i search for work all i can. now i have no gas money to continue my search. >> do the right thing, mr. speaker. give us a vote. >> while house democrats were pushing for those benefits, president obama also is fighting for change. this week he is ordering the labor department to change the requirements for overtime pay, stop employers from abusing overtime rules and requiring overtime pay for millions of workers. and the president's also pushing to raise the minimum wage. >> for them to get that little extra boost is not only good for them and their families, it is also good for the entire

economy. keep in mind that these days in retail sales, fast food and a lot of different occupations the minimum wage is not just going to teenagers. the average age of someone getting minimum wage is 35. a lot of them have family obligations. >> giving a life line to the unemployed, making sure people are paid a fair wage, that's how you address poverty in america. congressman ryan needs to stop blaming poverty on, quote, inner city culture and start talking about real solutions. joining me now congressman emanual cleveland and msnbc's karen finney. thank you for being here. congressman, paul ryan says there is a culture of men not working in inner cities. he even said generations not thinking about working. what is your reaction?

>> well, i'm so disappointed in chairman ryan. and i'm saying this very, very seriously. it is my hope that he really doesn't mean what he said. it is my hope that he just doesn't know people in the inner city. you and i grew up in the central city. i grew up extreme ely poor in one point in my childhood. i never heard anybody say this is fun and i am enjoying this. let's see how to get other people to join us. most people in poverty are struggling every day to get out. i think it is an insult to hear what chairman ryan said. the other thing is that 200,000 people who are not receiving unemployment insurance who were in iraq or afghanistan, they are not a part of inner city culture. they are men and women who put their lives on the line, they come home, out of a job and frankly out of luck because this

congress is not trying in any kind of small way to come to their aid. >> you know, karen, the congressman ryan also criticized the safety net. listen to this. >> right now we have sort of a poverty management system, in many ways to the benefit of the managers. and so when you question the status quo of the government's poverty you get all the criticisms from the abhereants who don't want to see a change. one study found that poverty rate was 26% in 1967. the safety net has helped that fall to about 16% by 2012. congressman ryan thinks people who want to protect the safety net are just poverty managers, karen. >> look, on the one hand, what

is so insulting about what congressman ryan said is when was the last time he spent time in the inner city? if he is trying to say something with the dog whistle he should say it and define it. we know what he is trying to say. it is very offensive. he doesn't have any data to back up what he is saying. if you look at the facts, if you look at, for example, the earned income tax credit, how successful that program works, the snap program how it is successful in helping to move families as they have been in trouble in the last couple of years and help them get back to the middle class and back on their feet. i suppose he thinks we eare all too stupid to understand the numbers. when he was trying to understand his budget he said it was too complicated. i would challenge him to give us some data points, give us real facts. don't just hurl dog whistle themes without real data. >> talking about dog whistles

and not understanding him. let me show how much i understand him. i want to play another part of the congressman's interview where he mentions a man named charles murray, congressman. take a listen to this. >> a boy has to see a man working, doesn't he? >> absolutely. >> okay. >> and so that's the tailspin or spiral that we're looking at in our communities. you know, your buddy charles murray or bob at harvard have written books on this. >> charles murray is the author of the book "the bell curve" which argues blacks are less intelligent than whites. and he once wrote the statement, a lot of poor people are born lazy, it is almost certainly true. now, this is the kind of expert,

congressman cleaver, that congressman ryan is relying on? >> that is the part that is so hurtful to many of us and probably to many of your viewers. charles murray is a pseudoscientist who have come up with all kinds of studies that are baseless and proven to be baseless and essentially says african-americans are subhuman. if you believe that and if you push that -- >> and genetically less intelligent. >> and less moral. he goes on to say. and when chairman ryan, saying i hope he understands he is feeding people out there who would love to lap that up and then use that to justify their attitude and continue to push people down who are trying to get up. >> while democrats are working to make economic system more

fair, republicans are focused on getting rid of the president. listen to what one republican congressman is saying. >> we've got three years to get this guy out, hopefully he -- well, let me put it this way, i think he probably has been engaged in these unconstitutional approachest that may make his own ability to stay in office. >> so the president is unconstitutional. we need to get him out. the problem with poverty is not that we won't pass a jobs bill or build infrastructure or that we won't deal with things like programs that have helped lift people of all races and all communities. the problem is inner city culture. and that they are lazy. yet, we give aid to other people around the country. that is fine. this is absolutely horrible. >> it really is. and, you know, rev, i'll tell

you, i want to agree with congressman cleaver in the belief that perhaps congressman ryan doesn't understand the depth of how hurtful and how just despicable, frankly for him to cite that gentleman in his remarks and make those comments are. i have to tell you, reverend, it appears to me that there is a craven political goal going on here. that message is not for people of color, not for the 47%, not for what he would consider the takers. that message is designed for a particular audience. i think he is trying to sound like he cares about poverty and issues and studied the issues. instead, as the congressman pointed out, he is only helping to reinforce some of the most destructive stereotypes that this country has confronted in the last 200 years. >> whether the message was intended for some of us or not, i got it and i'm going to talk

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i can say without exception or eequivocation that the united states will not torture. [ applause ] >> that was president obama on the second full day of his presidency signing an executive order to ban the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques of the bush administration. that program was kept a secret until 2006 when president george w. bush defended the cia's method to the american public. >> i cannot describe the specific methods used. i think you understand why. if i did it would help terrorists learn how to resist questioning and keep information from us that we need to prevent new attacks on our country.

>> for the last five years senate democrats have been investigating the torture program, despite what appears to ebe ebe a pattern of stone walling from the cia. when senator dianne feinstein accusing the cia of illegally searching staff computers to impede their investigation. why? because she says they are finding so far shows the cia has something to hide. >> the resulting staff report was chilling. the interrogations and the conditions of confinement at the cia detention sites were far different and far more harsh than the way the cia had described them to us. >> the american people still don't know the full story of what was done in our name during the darkest days of the bush

administration. today president obama says it's time for the senate report to come out and reveal the truth. >> i am absolutely committed to declassifying that report as soon as the report is completed. in fact, i would urge them to go ahead and complete the report, send it to us. we will declassify those findings so that the american people can understand what happened in the past and help guide us as we move forward. >> joining me now is msnbc.com executive editor richard wolf. thanks for being here tonight, richard. >> thank you, reverend. >> you know, "new york times" editorial today calls this cia torture cover-up. is the agency trying to hide what it did during the bush administration? >> of course, it is. that has always been the deal. that is well understood in the white house. they made the decision early on.

he was a president who came in. he wanted to clear house and say this will not continue. immediately after declassifying what they call the torture memos, he was faced with a really critical decision that many presidents face which is can i afford to be at war with the intelligence community working for me and trying to protect other intelligence failures and work against terrorist attacks? he took the decision right then that he did not want to be at war with the c.i.a. and scaled back. clearly the c.i.a., certain people in the c.i.a. took that as a green light to obstruct what was a perfectly legitimate investigation by people who have the highest possible security clearances, the senate intelligence committee staffers. this wasn't a bunch of outsideers coming in. these were trusted partners in congress. you are hearing the president saying this has gone too far. >> now, back in 2007 you asked

president bush a simple question at a press conference. i want the audience to see this. watch. >> what is your definition of the word torture? >> it is defined in u.s. law, we don't torture. whatever the law says. >> this is you asking president bush and he clearly would not give a clear definition, whatever the law says. what is that supposed to mean. >> he wasn't happy about that, by the way. we all knew this was going on. the question was were they just playing legal games and trying to redefine torture. it was enhanced interrogation, just harsh treatment of these detainees. it wasn't actually torture. i understand there are concerns inside the administration of people who said we were just following orders. there is a long history of

people saying we were just following orders. it doesn't stack up in international crimes courts and certainly not in the law of war as lawyers like to put it. so i was trying to ask him as someone who communicates and a politician and someone who has to speak to regular people and as someone who believed he was a moral person at his heart, what torture meant, he knew in answering that question there would be legal problems for each and every person who followed his own administration's orders. >> just months after president obama banned the harsh interrogation techniques former vice president dick cheney defended them. >> i was and remain a strong proponent of our enhanced interrogation program used on hardened terrorists. they were legal, justified, successful and right thing to

do. >> what is interesting is people who have read the senate's classified report on the interrogation program say it is a, quote, withering indictment of the program and it shows that, quote, c.i.a. officials misled congress, the white house and the public. they misled the american public. shouldn't the american people know what is in the report? >> they should be outraged that people mentioned in the report are trying to say that senate staffers are guilty of crimes. i mean, this has become extreme twisted. we used to say the best press operation came out of the most secret place which was the c.i.a. they are adept at spinning and fighting interagency turf battles and using legal mechanisms to chill this. it is time they came out and time they thought they knew the definition. >> thanks for your time tonight.

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wisconsin governor scott walker is a rising star in the gop. he has one thing on his mind, voter i.d. he signed a strict voter i.d. requirement into law in 2011. he has been singing its praises ever since. >> last year voter i.d., unfortunately we didn't have it before the november election but we will have it in the future. >> why is it so important to have a voter i.d. law, governor?

>> we have to do more to protect the integrity of the vote. >> protectathize integrity for an open, honest election. >> integrity of election is a worthy goal. the voter fraud just doesn't exist. a voting expert in wisconsin testified that there is just one, one, as in less than two, voter fraud cases for every 283,000 votes cast in that state since 2008. that's a rate of 0.00035%. but that hasn't stopped the governor from trying and trying and trying. the state supreme court is expected to rule on walker's proposed law soon. but scott walker doesn't care. yesterday he said he is willing to call a special legislative

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galifianakis. she was having fun, cracking jokes and raising awareness about obamacare. the result traffic to healthcare.gov shot up over 40%. in one day 54,000 referrals directly from the comedy site. look how some on the right react. >> the interview was a farce and some believe it was demeaning. >> some argue it is inappropriate for the president of the united states to be advertising a law. >> the whole thing is a big mock up. i think it is tragic. >> a lot of people say they think it is inappropriate. >> perhaps you should wait until the country is in better shape before you engage in a manufactured orgy of hipster awkwardness. >> it diminishes not just him but the office itself. >> of all the things going on in

the world it looks like there is a level of connectedness. >> below the office? demeaning? why? because he went on a comedy show? i wonder what they would say about this? >> oh, no. i don't think we can get ms. nixon to stand still for sock it to me. >> sock it to me? >> wait a minute. was that richard nixon on the laughing sketch comedy show just two months before winning an election? >> sock it to me? >> yes it was. and he wasn't alone. here is president eisenhower on the colgate comedy hour and president reagan on the bob hope 80th birthday special.

and president george w. bush on the game show deal or no deal. they know exactly how to respond to right wing critics. >> sock it to me? >> yes, sock it to anyone on the right who doesn't get the joke. joining me now, jonathan capehart. attacking the president for this appearance, what do you make of that? >> it is ridiculous. it is predictable, unfortunately very predictable to have people on the right citing the president for demeaning the office, downgrading it. whatever the president does they don't like it, even if, as you just showed, republican presidents doing the same thing. when president nixon went on "laugh in" that show for that time was a racy show. >> very. >> controversial show.

here you have president obama -- >> very, very controversial. it was before my time but i take your word for it. >> you get my point. here what i thought was so brilliant what the president and zach galifianakis did is they use comedy to pull in young people to impart information that they need to know. >> the numbers speak for themselves. what do you think? >> i was watching fox last night, o'reilly when he was saying president lincoln never would have done something. >> i wanted to ask you about that. he brought in lincoln. you have to see this to believe it. let me show it to everybody that was not doing what you did. >> researching, it is called. >> all i can tell you is abe lincoln would not have done it. there comes a point when serious times call for serious action. we are a divided nation which talking points believes is in decline. >> abe lincoln would not have

done it. first of all, how does he know? is this for real? >> we also live in a world with tvs where men don't walk around with top hats on and women can vote. when i heard that i thought there are folks who feel this diminishes the presidency. that is fair argument. i thought this weakened his argument because lincoln was known as a funny guy and someone who reached out to people. who knows if lincoln would have done this or not. i thought it was funny. maybe it is a generational thing. this is where obama shines. he knows this hits the population that they need to hit for obamacare. >> when you talk about beneath the office, 2004 which i remember well, president george w. bush went to the white house correspondence dinner and joked about not finding weapons of mass destruction in iraq. listen to this. >> those weapons of mass

destruction got to be somewhere. nope, no weapons over there. >> now, the point here is they are attacking president obama for doing something beneath the office. here is a president, sitting president, mocking weapons of mass destruction. what kind of hypocrisy are we talking about here? >> i was there at that white house correspondence dinner. and it was a funny joke, but it was a shocking joke because of weapons of mass destruction the president sent men and women to die in a war for something that was not there. and so for a president to joke about something like that? that is beneath the office of the president. >> the point is that none of these right wingers came out and attacked president bush for that. >> that's right.

i think we have to recognize that we live in a very different world. there are so many different factions of media. the president can't just go on the sunday talk shows. there are a number of audiences. if you look at the effect of this it was the number one source for referrals for the website for a brief period of time. the president probably should have done this four or five months ago. this is a huge part of it. >> he needs the young people to sign up before march 31 in order for the affordable care act to actually work. >> for everybody. >> for everyone. >> should republicans be doing more comedy shows? more shows that are geared towards young people? >> we saw boehner did leno a few weeks ago. i think mccain is doing letterman this week. i think it is positive for republicans to do things like this because it shows people they can be funny and they don't take themselves too seriously and appeals to the younger

generation which the republican party desperately needs. instead of criticizing the president there are plenty of areas to criticize the president on today, take note of this and think maybe we should appear more fun as a party. >> you know, gop congressman sent out this tweet. instead of wasting time with parody interview he should be focusing on finding answers regarding benghazi. >> i can't even dignify that tweet with any kind of response. benghazi, obamacare, irs, fill in the blank scandal that those on the far right want to target the president with, they will use any excuse to bring it up every time. as abby just talked about presidents and politicians these days cannot rely on the big three networks and can't rely on oall of us in cable television.

they need to reach to other outlets. they get information from tablets and smart phones and specific websites that cater to their views and their needs. and also to personalities who aren't housed in some of these bigger institutions. >> like galifianakis. reverend, when are you going on "between two ferns". >> i have done them all. i don't watch fox or letterman. i watch f a llon. he fits my demographics. thank you for your time tonight. be sure to catch abby on "the cycle" week days at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, arizona governor jan brewer has been in the center of some controversy, today a big announcement. but first, a fatal shooting

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today a florida judge ruled that all evidence can be made public in the case of curtis reaves, retired police captain who fatally shot a fellow movie goer earlier this year. the argument started over a text message. and then the unthinkable happened. >> in wesley chapel this afternoon as someone opened fire in one of the theaters. >> reporter: witnesses say 71-year-old reaves shot olson in the chest. reaves was angry over olson's texting. >> and then bang, shot. he staggered two seats over, fell on my son and i. >> reporter: the sheriff says reaves had no reason to shoot. >> over a cell phone, over somebody texting and take their life. it is ridiculous.

>> during pretrial hearing this dramatic video emerged. the video appeared to show olson throw popcorn at reaves and then reaves takes out his gun and fired it. reaves says he acted out of fear for his life. >> if i had to do it over again it would never happen. but you don't get do overs. >> so why did you shoot him? >> it scared the hell out of me. i thought the guy was fixing to beat the [ bleep ]. >> was it self defense? will this new trial put stand your ground in the spot light once again? joining me now is former prosecutor and msnbc legal

analyst faith jenkins and criminal defense lawyer. thank you for being here. ken, does the surveillance video help or hurt mr. reeves case? >> it hurts mr. reeves case in a really bad way. you can't say it is reasonable to be in fear of butter popcorn. it doesn't wash. the video is not helpful to the defense. it is very, very damaging. video evidence is probably some of the best evidence that the prosecution can use in any trial. they will drive home the point to this jury that he shot because he was angry and upset that there was texting going on in this movie theater. that is not okay. this man died because of it and the victim doesn't get a do over. forget the defend defendant. this is very problematic for this defendant. >> you know the victim's wife

was next to him during the shooting. she said she never would have expected this. listen. >> nicole, is there any reason why the man who shot your husband would have felt threatened in any way? >> absolutely not. not in the least. i never expected it. never could have imagined it. it was a couple of words, no threats, no harm, no nothing. >> and during a bail hearing, another witness testified that mr. reeves own wife thought he had overreacted. the "new york times" reports, quote, mr. reeves' wife, vivian, told him that was no cause to shoot anyone and then told her to shut her mouth and said don't say another word. >> and the video really speaks for itself. this is a prosecutor's dream when we have cases that go to

trial. in most cases crimes are not caught on video. this is one where it is. you can watch it and make a determination. when you look at the lady es who spoke about the threat how there was no need to pull out a gun. mr. reeves is a former police officer. he knows how to assess a threatening situation. he has formal and professional training on dealing with threats and crimes. for him in this situation to decide in that moment based on what we saw in the video that it was okay to pull out a gun and shoot someone, that's not real fear. that is manufactured fear to try to garner up a self-defense claim. >> now, you know, ken, there was also a video of reeves in the theater prior to thet shooting. he doesn't seem erratic or angry. here is via a local news package. take a listen. >> minutes before the shooting reeves is seen walking out of

the movie theater with what appears to be a gun and shows something else, his state of mind. >> look at his demeanor. he doesn't look upset or angry. he is smiling. >> what does that do to his case? >> i think it shows that you have somebody who is in control. he is in a sense reasonable. he is going to make a complaint to the movie theater people. then he comes back down and he is upset or insulted by the fact that the man in front of him won't stop doing what he wants him to stop doing. so there is where the anger appears when you pull out a gun to shoot somebody because they threw popcorn at you? it is going to be a big problem in defending the shooter in this case. if i was defending him i would be talking to him seriously about taking a plea and not going to trial. i think he has a serious problem with a jury and trial with this type of video evidence.

>> the attorney for the victim's family says stand your ground should not apply to this case. >> now, look at what florida has done withstand your ground law and self-defense in general. it is a part in the jury instructions in a case. even if you don't request a stand your ground hearing at the beginning of a trial, if you assert self defense you get that charge in front of the jury the jurors are told this person did not have a duty to retreat. either way it comes in and will be explained to the jury in that manner. >> now, ken, today reeves waived his right to a speedy trial. what does that mean and how important is that to the case? >> that is actually very common practice here in florida. you have a right to speedy trial. the first time the case comes up the defendant can waive the right and allow the attorney to properly investigate the case, look at the discovery, take depositions and so forth. so it it is actually a very common practice to have

defendants waive the speedy trial and continue the case so they can prepare for a trial down the road. in a serious case like this you need a lot of preparation. thank you both for your time this evening. arizona governor jan brewer has been no stranger to controversy. today a big announcement. also, a stunning story about injustice and a man walking free after 30 years on death row. check it out. i can't believe your mom has a mom cave! today i have new campbell's chunky spicy chicken quesadilla soup. she gives me chunky before every game. i'm very souperstitious.

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announced she is retiring at the end of this term. arizona governors are limited to two terms. but there was talk she would challenge that. in her five years in office she has been no stranger to controversy. in 2010 national protests erupted after she signed the strictest antiimmigration law in the country. but in the governor's debate that same year she had an epic brain freeze in her opening statement. >> we have cut the budget. we have balanced the budget and we are moving forward. we have done everything that we could possibly do.

[ laughter ] we have did what was right for arizona. >> from there it was this image that had the country talking, pointing at president obama after he landed in arizona in 2012. last summer she was one of a few republican governors who embraced the medicaid expansion as part of obamacare. weeks ago brewer was under fire to veto a bill that would have made discrimination against gays legal. she eventually did the right thing vetoing the bill. it has been an interesting roller coaster for governor jan brewer, many ups and downs. we do wish her the best in her private life. and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain.

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justice system. this is a photo of a louisiana man named glen ford back in 1983. after he was arrested for robbing and killing a man inside of a jewelry store. and this is a photo of glen ford taken yesterday when he finally walked free after spending 30 years on death row for a crime he didn't commit. ford always said he had nothing to do with the murder but an all-white jury still found him guilty. yesterday a judge said new evidence showed he was innocent. ford was released after spending nearly half his life behind bars. >> i can't go back and do anything i should have been doing when i was like 35, 48, stuff like that. my son when i left is a baby, now they are grown men with babies. >> glen ford didn't get to see his baby sons grow up to be men

because of a miscarriage of justice. he is not alone. just through dna testing alone 245 people in 36 states have been exonerated and set free tht years since 2000. on average they were just 27 years old when wrongfully convicted and they served an average of 13 years in prison for crimes they didn't commit. like glen ford, they lost their freedom. we must find out why and make sure these tragedies aren't repeated. yes, when something criminal is done, people must be held accountable, but we can't, without evidence put the wrong people away. we not only do them wrong, we do wrong to the victims and the victims' families that we claim we give justice to. we cannot compound wrong.

we must solve wrong and we can't do it by the system being wrong itself. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. what side are you on? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in new york. whose side are you on? this is a nasty business politicly. no joke at all people are angry looking for places to show they are angry eand looking for places to blast away at the way things are. this election in florida yesterday was about one word, no. no work. that is the republican message. why is it hard for democrats to fight that? democrats can see the