>> earlier we show we asked you the best and worst things about moving back in with your mom and dad after taking them to court. >> the best thing is >> the best thing is no more rent and all of the food you can eat. also free laundry. >> if the parents are talking to you. >> that awkward last night family dinner. can you imagine? taking your parents to court is bad time. that is "way too early" for now. "morning joe" starts live from d.c. now. ♪ >> as far as the allegations of, you know, cia hacking into, you know, senate computers, nothing could be further than the truth. we wouldn't do that. that's just beyond the scope of reason. >> if the cia wasn't purposefully destroying evidence, what happened to those

tiles? >> the cia first asked what was going on, first denied an interference and then blamed it on the i.t. guys. >> in other words! nerd! i knew it! the i.t. guys, it was them. sure, the i.t. guys stole the files. a problem in h.r. >> good morning, everyone. it is thursday, march 13th. welcome to "morning joe." we are live here in washington. half of us are. with us on set is pulitzer prize winning writer, eugene robinson. and also with from the huffington post, sam stein. and julie pace. and columnist for bloomberg view, al hunt. he has some polls coming up out

of bloomberg and he claims this vehemently, fascinating. we will start with a couple of different news breaking stories. joe, i don't know if you saw the headlines, front page of "the new york times." two buildings flattened literally in a matter of seconds. at least three people dead. over a dozen -- is it six? i thought it was. "the new york times" has three at this point but i think it's confirmed overnight six. unbelievable. apparently the gas company was on their way there. people had been smelling fumes in the area for quite some time. a big local story in new york city. we will bring you up-to-date on the search and rescue mission on the missing plane. it now continues into the sixth day, missing flight 370 we are talking about. this morning, a new report by "wall street journal" that

it's throwing more doubt into the whereabouts of the plane and it's 239 passengers and crew members on board. after reaching its last confirmed location of the gulf of thailand, u.s. investigators now believe the boeing 777 was in the air for up to four more hours? meaning the plane may have traveled an additional 2,200 miles or as far as the indian ocean. to the board of pakistan. that information is based on data automatically sent from the plane's engines to the ground from the boeing's 777 monitoring programs. the journal reports, quote, this. u.s. counterterrorism official are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar dedetectivion.

they deny the report that the plane sent off data after its last-known contact. yesterday there were several other reports about the possible location of the missing plane. abc news reported an oil worker claims he saw the burning jetliner crash into the south china sea saying it came down in, quote, one piece. that report is still unconfirmed. and chinese officials published satellite debris but there was no indication from the crash shown in those images. to call it a fascinating mystery. >> sam has a theory. >> how did this happen? >> the island of lost is where it is. >> the only thing that makes sense at this point. can you imagine the families? no explanation. they disappeared into thin air. >> it has to be harder having

all of these different reports go out there that are totally unconfirmed and have them retracted. >> the malaysian officials are so over the map. yes here, no there. it's crazy. >> can you imagine flying four hours? i almost hope that's not true. i don't know. >> i just have been suspicious the last couple of days that it is an act of terrorism. not that i know anything. they do it because they want people to know about it and after five days, you think if someone bad did it, say, ha ha, we did it and there hasn't been any of that. >> is it possible this is a horrible accident and it's going to take time to find the plane? remember the air france crash took several days but the amount of false information that is out there just feeds this narrative it must be something else that happened. >> we will follow the most credible reports, joe, because it can be outlandish when you imagine what could have happened here and terrorism does come to

mind. >> it really does. you know i'm also reminded of julie brought up her plane theory. mine right now is, based on the reporting this morning, it sounds a lot like, i'm sure they have investigated all of the pilots here, but it does sound like an inside job if somebody turned off the devices that would allow officials to track where they went and then they went four additional hours possibly? there have been stories. there was the egyptian airliner crash in 2000. remember, the pilot took the plane down in an act of terrorism. but this one moving toward pakistan brings up a whole new slew of possibilities. it really is one of the most bizarre news stories in quite sometime regarding airliners. unbelievable. >> we will track as much credible information as comes in. and bring it to you. let's move on to politics now. we saw in florida on tuesday,

the president's land mark health care plan is already having an impact on midterm elections. john boehner and tried to frame the republican win. >> it's about the economy. it's about obamacare. listen. i've stood here after losing some special elections. i tried to put lipstick on a pig but it was still a pig. you can bet they will try to put lipstick on it today but you all know what the facts are. >> other competitive districts that are far more competitive than this one our messaging will work and our turnout models will be good. i came to work this morning and heard there were thunderstorms coming into washington. you don't height hide from the climate. you fight through it and that is what we are going to do. >> when it comes to the impact of obamacare, a new national bloomberg poll shows 73% of those who want the law repealed say the affordable care act will be a major factor.

it will play less of a role in the decisions of those who want only small changes or think the law is okay as it is. as far as voter turnout, 73% of people who want a full repeal -- this is the interesting part according to al -- say they definitely will vote. it actually -- it could be devastating. >> it could. al hunt, i got to say as a republican, i was pleased to hear john boehner talk about what the american people were interested in and the first thing that came out of his mouth was not obamacare, it was not benghazi. he talked about jobs. that tells me perhaps people in washington are starting to get it here. but there is no doubt that motivated in off-year election which we all know where the voters are older, more on medicare advantage, they are wider and more conservative, this could be defining issue for

those who actually knock on doors, make the phone calls, and decide who win these off-year elections. >> joe, you're absolutely right. that profile that voted last tuesday in florida and looks at the profile in november looks anything like that there is going to be a republican sweep. the poll numbers have gotten a bit better on obamacare but it is, as you suggest, the intensity factor. those people, that one-third of the country that still adamantly wants to appeal obamacare are turning out. the trick for the democrats is energize those others in a nonpresidential year is a tough task. >> sam stein, it really is. it is unbelievable, sam stein, that all of these years later, after the passage of obamacare and with historical results for the republican party, here we

are four years later. this is piece of legislation appears to be one of the driving and motivating factors in an election four years later. >> sure. what is partially by design when they put the affordable care act together, they put all of the flem implementation down the road. when it was implemented we saw the website and broken promises of keeping your plan. i guess if i were a democrat, one of the good things i would be comfort is the fact because you were swept so badly in 2010 you have fewer house races you can lose at this juncture. >> the senate, sam stein. >> i know. the senate is a bit of a problem. >> you lose a few more this year -- >> i thought it was interesting in the bloomberg poll which is actually now the third in a row that has seen a small improvement in the favorability. the law is getting a bit more

popular. the motivating factor for a lot of people they oppose it and want to come out and show their opposition. you compare it to gun control and i think that is fair. it's a motivating factor. it's going to bring them out. democrats need to figure out to motivate their base and it has to mean probably outside of obamacare at this juncture. >> joe? >> it's really something. i love what sam stein said. what the great news is, you lost all of these elections four years ago. reminded of the famous kris kristofferson line and janis joplin. freem freedom, you have nothing to lose. julie, this is a time in most presidencies you have the legislators. the people scrambling and running to the white house saying, i need your help! i need your help! but that help didn't come in 2010. and it's so odd for -- talking

to democrats on the hill who basically seem to have this attitude we're in this on our own. they are not going to message this for us. they are not going to help us. do you hear anything from a white house growing increasingly concerned that any plans by the white house to help these democrats, especially in the senate who are in trouble? >> one thing i would say is some of these democrats purposely do not want visible help from the white house. they don't want the president coming to snar state. they do want him to raise money. if you listen to the comments the president has been making in his fund-raisers lately are democrats could get walloped add mitt terms. we get sleepy when it comes to mid terms. he says if you care about things like health care, if you care about things like abortion rights, gay rights, we have to

turn out for this midterm election. can the president change the dynamic of the electorate in november on his own? >> reverse psychology. i don't know what is going on there. >> it almost sounds like wishful thinking for the democrats and not the democratic president but he has to instill this fear in democrats. >> i'll read a "the wall street journal" editorial. al, do you want to chime? >> i think it's hard to energize that democratic base. on joe's point on obamacare, the political malpractice this administration to this day has been unable to -- >> it's health care for people. it's health care for people. that's a good thing, isn't it? i don't understand! >> you don't like health care? >> no, but how do you botch that? and it's been botched. "wall street journal," i want you to comment on this, eugene. riding the 2014 wave. republicans, their challenge is how to turn a good year into one that captures the senate with seats to spare. one obvious point the party's

factions should target democrats rather than each other. mitch mcconnell won't elect primary challenger matt bevin. the gop needs a strategy for how to best exploit its obamacare advantage. the repeal message is still potent with the gop's base, no question about that but a more positive message would attract independents and frustrate democrats. several proposals to replace obamacare are circulating in congress but none has a chance to pass. the gop goal this year should be simpler. craft legislation that highlights and fixes flaws in obamacare that have been so clearly exposed the last few months. gene? >> yeah, but they won't do that. >> if they did that would that be more of a winning approach? >> i think that's where polls say the public is.

>> sam says no. >> the base would be furious because the party is so demonized the affordable care act the base now nothing short of repel it and erase it from the history books is going to satisfy the base. but in terms of the general public, every poll shows that's what people want. they don't want it repealed. they want it fixed. >> is that the box that republicans are stuck ? the base will be so hard lined about repeal they won't tailor their message to something that might appeal so broadly? >> the base is so hard-lined they are offended by the editorial page of "wall street journal" and called them rhine owes. i have to hand this to the "wall street journal" editorial page. i have complained through the years. i feel like i'm a lone out there complaining about the excesses of my own republican party but

"wall street journal" was, back in fo2004, along with tom cobur and myself to criticize george w. bush for excessive spending and they were right. everybody else was wrong and we were right and everybody else was wrong. then last fall, they made the argument, obviously, against the government shutdown. the conservative rock ribbed "wall street journal" editorial page, along with charles krauthammer, myself, i can count it on one hand. the journal is out early on predicting doom and republicans should have listened to them and myself and charles krauthammer and scott walker. now "wall street journal" editorial page, once again, offers wide sage advice to the republican party to the republican base. okay? you're not going to repeal it. you can have 800 votes to repeal obamacare. find the parts that don't work, fix it, pass it in the house and

then force mary landrieu and kay hagan and mark pryor and other running for re-election force them to vote no and turn that into your spectacle. not another meaningless vote on the floor of the house. pass it. then get it over to the senate. and then make those democrats sit on their hands and explain to constituents at home why they don't want to fix obamacare. not defund, repeal and do all of the things that will help you win straw polls at events. actually, do it. al hunt, i think "wall street journal" is dead on again. i don't agree with them on everything. i know you don't either, but pretty sage advice to the republican base. >> joe, when i was in the "wall street journal" before you were born i adored "wall street

journal" and i announce it's turned into a political strategi strategist. i'm not sure that we ought to worship the older of editorial pages. >> let me just say. >> well, i'm deeply offended by that. >> can i say this about the republican repeal and replace plan? we looked into this. we traced the history. five years now, they have been saying we need to replace it with something and not just repeal it and they have yet to come up with an actual full plan to do it. >> that's the whole point. >> i think what is happening. the republican party has painted themselves in a little bit of a box here because they have come out so strongly about keep your own plan. obamacare says they have to have a health care plan. they want to end the employer provided system and put these lines around what they can do

legislatively criticizing obamacare that if they were to get a repeal and replace plan it -- >> you know how things go in politics, they have opportunities here. >> but you don't do what sam says until 2016. >> obamacare will be there until 2016 regardless of how many senate seats they win so we will have three more years of enrollment. >> the numbers boom, that could be interesting. one more story in here. the bloomberg poll, so fascinating. >> yes. >> some sobering numbers for a potential 2016 christie campaign. nearly two-thirds of americans don't believe that governor chris christie was in the dark about plans to shut down lanes on the george washington bridge. christie's favorability has sunk since june, plummeting to 32%, down 18 points.

hillary clinton favorability has remained even over the same period of time. when asked who would want to one 50% said hillary clinton and 25% said chris christie. chris christie is, of course, in the midst of this horrifying scandal. hillary clinton, i think, it's such an interesting time because a lot of insiders are telling me now they are really not sure, joe, if she is going to run. >> i hear it more and more. we will see what happens. it's a long way to 2016. again, sometimes we say things that -- i certainly do all the time that is not exactly right. i know you called chris christie scandal a, quote, horrifying scandal. i know you don't believe it is. i know you just said those words and they just sort of came out.

it is, obviously, terrible -- want him to run for president, it certainly is difficult for him. but i think one of the things, gene, that is so fascinating about these bloomberg numbers is that chris christie has actually been out of the spotlight for sometime and i think he needs what he needs to do. he is low keying it. but his numbers keep dropping and i guess they will keep dropping until this investigation is completed. so i don't think his political future is doomed. i think the guy can still get elected in 2016 but he is in purgatory until the investigations end in new jersey? >> it's too soon to tell but it is starting to look a little dim. last time we talked about this, his numbers were staying reasonably high. they were in the high 40s. i think 49 or something like that. he wasn't under water.

down to 32, debit doyou get dow and you can get stuck. >> the problem with christie a lot of americans who knew his name but not a lot about him this was the year they were supposed to know about his record in new jersey. instead what they learned about is bridgegate so that is what is dragging these numbers down. >> why julie's number is so important, the same fascinating poll shows that most voters don't believe hillary clinton on benghazi either. >> right. >> but that's just a blip. they know so much about hillary clinton. for a lot of americans bridgegate is what they know about. >> the cloud of uncertainty around him is a problem too because if you're ramping up for a perspective 2016 bid you have to say, listen, not only vote for me but believe in me and give to me. if i were a republican donor why would i give to someone that i don't know what his future entails. he may not run because of these things.

that cloud of uncertainty hampers him. >> following him on the campaign trail and seeing him at events and doing events with him, joe, you know, what i saw and what i think is possibly devastating for him is his personality was what it was. i think some people thought how would it play in iowa or here. i thought it was the kind of personality that would be refreshing to people and he could turn a disadvantage into an advantage because he is so up front and blunt and fun and tough. you bring the bully factor into it and the story that people question mark about it, it stains the story whether it's right or wrong. >> the f. scott fitzgerald act there are no second acts in american life. it's dead wrong. is there a second act in american life. people love redemption. they love the wrongly accused. if i am chris christie and it

ends up that this was all a bunch of people on the far left freaking out on talk radio, on tv, in blogs, and i'm exonerated by the investigators in new jersey i take that with moo to iowa and south carolina and nevada and new hampshire and i raise hell. the only people i hear calling chris christie a bully are left-wingers that don't want him to get elected. let's see how the investigation plays out. he is doing the right thing and keching his head down and he should get through the investigation and we will see what happens. i think, as my short friend said on late night tv so long ago, you can turn a disadvantage into an advantage.

they were some real estate moguls and made lots of money. is hillary running? >> i think hillary is running. >> whoa! >> but i think she will run. because, joe, just imagine a scene where she says i'm ahead in the polls and the only hope for the democratic party. the country needs me but i'm not going to do it because i want to spend time with my grandchild. i'm sorry. >> okay. coming up on "morning joe." everyone stop. we're going to go for 45 minutes and alex is going to have a coronary. maria shriver is coming up. chuck to do and andrea mitchell and chris matthews. first, bill karins, i don't want to hear it. >> march is a cool and cruel month. 60 to 70 degrees and now the windchill is near zero in the east. unbelievable. the snow fell hard in western new york. that's where we had up to a foot

of snow all the way from almost towards detroit to burlington and buffalo and new york and you got nailed. detroit you need only 3 more inches of snow for your snowiest winter ever. notice it's snowing from portland to bangor and icy mess with snow on top of it around albany, new york. careful driving in those areas. the cold air is the story. winds are gusting to 37 miles per hour from d.c. to philadelphia to new york city. the windchill right now in philly is 3. this is like january type weather. negative 10 in buffalo with snow on the ground and minus 9 in pittsburgh. at least the rest of the country, you're seeing a beautiful thursday, but it's from the great lakes to the northeast that we're still going to struggle. by friday, we get a little warmer. saturday, spring returns to the areas that were just nailed by

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before and just after the explosion. at this hour, first responders are still looking through the rubble to search for any possible survivors. joe? >> just a terrible, terrible story yesterday morning in new york. unbelievable. from our parade of papers. the "los angeles times." march is marking the one-month of anti-government protests turned deadly in venezuela yesterday. a police officer was among three people shot dead. witnesses say dozens more were hurt. the shootings occurred during a day of heated demonstrations and clashes between protesters and security forces. 25 people have been killed since the protests began last month. let's go to the detroit free press. criticism is growing for general motors over its recall of 1.6 million cars. yesterday, gm admitted it knew as early as 2001 there were problems with faulty ignition switches. that is three years earlier than

gm first admitted it was aware of an issue. meanwhile, the carmaker says it will give owners of the recalled cars $500 toward a new car. this from the toledo blade. a hof snowstorm in ohio is being blamed for 50-vehicle pileup. three people were killed and a state trooper seriously injured after a collision created a chain reaction. the pileup shut down the highway turnpike in both directions for about four hours. a wild police chase near denver and started at a gas station when the suspect appears to steal a red suv with a 4-year-old in the back seat. police issued an amber alert and the van was spotted on the highway. he then apparently car-jacked a minivan and leaving the boy behind unharmed after taking control of a third vehicle. the man ran off and was captured by police later.

this from "wall street journal." a new poll shows a shocking answer as to what americans think is worse for their health. man, i am in the words of elvis costello, a man out of time. the survey shows many americans think it is better to smoke pot than eat a candy bar! okay? the poll says 15% of americans say sugar is more harmful than weed. still tobacco at 49% and alcohol, 24% dominated last year. sam stein, this is a hell of a dilemma for you. is sam gone? he is getting the munchies and is going to get a snickers bar. this is terrible for sam, mika. some people like both, you know?

>> yes, some people like both. >> it's like those old reese's peanut butter cup commercials. two great tastes taste better together. >> i sat last night in my hotel room and i ate an entire super sized snickers bar. >> mika! >> mika, you didn't do the other three things that were in "wall street journal." >> maybe i should smoke pot. i never have. sugar, i will say, very seriously, i do think they are going to find things about sugar. they already are that we eat too much of it and it's really, really damaging to our system. so that is kind of -- >> i tell you what, it is damaging. i saw what it did to my grandmother who, rest her soul,

jewel clark, she would have sugar shock sweet tea every day. poured sugar into everything. it was unbelievable. i think if she had stayed away from sugar, she may have lived another 10, 15 years, to 115. she died, unfortunately, at 94. it shortened her life at least a couple of years, mika. it was terrible for her. >> a long way to be sarcastic. now let's go to mike allen. we will let the science speak for itself. >> we haven't recovered from it. >> okay. mike allen is here with the morning playbook. why don't you save me from myself, mike. one of your lead stories this morning on politico. the pureporting by "the guardia and "the washington post." >> welcome home, mika. this is a juicy debate that is going to play out between now and april 14th when columbia

awards the pulitzer prizes. do they go ahead and endorse the reporting by colleagues at the "the washington post" and "the guardian" about edward snowden? clearly the biggest story of the year and you could argue the biggest journalistic story of the decade and president obama and people in the government say these revelations have been very harmful. the justice department almost certainly is going to try to prosecute edward snowden and he is thinking of some sort of plea bargain to bring him home. or pick the government over the journalist and ignore what is clearly the biggest story of the year? back when the pentagon papers came out, the pulitzer board went with the public service award. they have the dilemma, do you give it to "the post" or "the

guardian" or both? >> gene? >> i'm a member of the pulitzer board so we don't talk about it. >> in 1972, it seems to me if they take -- they can decide with the government. >> joe? joe? >> i'm sorry, i can't hear. there was something on. you know, there are articles that certainly changed the course of events and it depends on what the pulitzer committee wants. i made no secret of it. i was offendse offendered by so washington post" articles about the war in lackal qaeda. it changed a lot of things we were doing. it changed the debate and won the pulitzer. if you're going to give it to "the washington post" for that series, why wouldn't you give it

to "the guardian" for what they did here? my god, what has changed -- you know, this debate and this discussion more than those series of articles? >> exactly. >> mika, prediction. i think the pulitzer board will give the prize at least to "the post" and maybe to both and say it's for the reporting, not for the leaking. >> we will keep that on tape. mike allen, thank you very much. coming up, new video evidence proving that some pets are smarter than their owners. we will show you how one dog reacted to being left alone in the car, similar to how i react when my children are being behaving badly in the car. we will be right back. ♪ if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me,

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issue. a look at the most intriguing ideas of 2014. also with us, is thomas here in new york? >> i am. >> no thomas? >> i am here! >> i didn't hear you. i haven't seen you since your debut on "the view." >> i know. i brought you gifts from austin and you're not here. >> i hope they are nice gifts. >> they are. you're really going to like yours. >> you were great on "the view." >> thank you. >> i think they all seemed to really like you and i hope you told jenny what i told you to tell her. >> i do and i have a text to show you. >> oh, okay. we will go back to "time" magazine. michael duffy, i like this, because especially the first idea that we are going to be looking at in terms of ideas for 2014. business. tell me what the concept is looking forward. >> well, sally -- >> i love her. >> she was a big bang executive

a few years ago and stepped down. she believes that women not only make more money for their companies because they are more interactive and thoughtful. >> collaborative. >> they work with much more diverse ideas better than men do and it's actually more of a fun approach and they are actually to bring in much more engaging way. i don't usually get in the corporate conversation. of course, sally is thoughtful and smart about this and puts it in this regard. companies will make more money if they do this. she is trying to speak to their language rather than a different kind of conversation. >> lifting up women into leadership positions is becoming a business model. >> so interesting. we have been hear this in politics a while too. you tu women who are in the senate and house and say any time you get more women in the room you get a more different set of ideas. now they are trying to make it financial argument and not ideas

argument. >> telling us what she thinks and i think she can get someone's attention with this. >> as a person who works under a woman ceo and see her make a lot of money, arianna, you are the greatest. can i ask you about put the sex back in sex education? >> what did you just say? >> education. put the sex -- this is an idea. >> you just jumped down no number four but i'll take it. >> area of expertise report. >> explain the bird and the bees. >> holly thinks we are doing sex ed wrong. she thinks we ought to separate the sexes at the key ages and teach them about it in completely different ways that they have to learn different things how to manage their relationships with the other gender which i think probably makes a lot of sense now that i'm 56. i think that is actually an interesting idea. >> but it doesn't happen because

there would be a revolution among the parents because parents have different ideas as to what should be -- >> it would be great if we could take the parents out of this conversation. >> oh, wow. >> she says the way we educate our kids about sex and gender is a little -- >> antiquated? >> yes. we need to talk to them separately. >> isn't it a little ridiculous to separate them if we are -- we are talking about women in power and talking about the fact that women could be great leaders and the fact we want to separate boys and girls that talk about sex and what girls need to be doing and what boys need to be doing? we live in a country where marriage inequality is a conflicting issue and don't need to grow up with boys need to be bread winners and the girls need to stay home. we need to talk about a healthy

sexual respect and people identify lgbt is important when talking about sex education. >> this isn't my area of expertise. >> yeah, but it's in the magazine. >> if i can jump in. it's not my area of expertise but i do have the younger daughter who actually just this past week, ironically, enough, they split up after school the boys and the girls and they talked to the girls about what they were about to go through and talked to the boys about what they were about to go through. i would suggest at 10 years old, that's about the right thing to do. this isn't about equality. this is about bodies and what bodies do what they hit puberty. there. i said the "p" word and it is radically two different things and little boys can handle some things emotionally and they cannot handle other things emotionally. as far as just the talk about the bird and the bees, keep them

separated, baby. it works. >> i'm sure your daughter loves you just said that. >> i'm praying to god she is still asleep! >> i remember how she was reacting to this. it seems to me like the conversation needs to continue and not just have that, you know, 10-year-old conversation but at 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16. it would be amazing. other great idea, comedy make fun of everybody and stop sending aid to dictators and documentaries and play video games. "time" magazine's ideas issue is out now. michael duffy, thank you very much. i can't wait to see you teach sex education on the set of "morning joe." >> i just did. >> i can't wait. later on "morning joe," ian brzezinski joins us with more analysis on the crisis in

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♪ i want to ask awe few things. i found some interesting things about you and i find them hard to believe. you once shot a coyote while you were jogging. true? >> that's true. >> you jog with a gun? >> i do interviews with a gun. >> you have one of those, like,

armbands, like, you use for your ipod? >> that's the reason it's called a concealed handgun. >> i see. your mother -- >> you don't know. >> when you were a kid, your mother made your underwear. >> you did some research? >> yeah. >> tell mika, i want to talk to her. >> welcome back to "morning joe." the top of the hour. joining us on set is host of nbc "hardball" chris matthews. i love your show. i watch every night on the set. >> a lot of people do. >> i love andrea's new time. it works for me. host of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea mitchell on at 12:00 noon eastern time. >> noon is so good. >> i did the news and it was in my schedule. >> remember maury povich? channel 5, pan ram thorama.

i watched it. >> apology, we have a lot to talk about today, joe. >> i want to talk, first of all, i love what chris said to you. i watch "hardball" every night. >> i do. >> it's a great show. chris goes, a lot of people do. he means. it ain't bragging if it's the truth. >> i spent yesterday's lunch with bill o'reilly so i've been infected by it! >> you have! you have! >> i want to bring up something i thought was interesting. let's talk really quickly about this, mika. we have a lot to talk about today but i want to talk about the clip with rick perry. as everybody knows, few people were tougher on governor perry's campaign than miyself.

he has an infectious personality. is a great guy. i couldn't get him to answer a question without him making fun of himself and his debate performances. you see this guy. i'm just saying. you see this guy in a tough interview smiling, relaxed. you know, running for president, everybody that has done it says it's the one of the most difficult things you can do and rick perry has been through it once before. i'm not so sure this guy isn't going to be more ready for prime time in '16. chris matthews, i don't know if you've ever met rick perry or not. >> no. >> and spent some time with him. he really has an infectious personality and may surprise some people. what do you think? >> sometimes, it's dangerous to meet these people. i like to keep a little distance. when you meet them, you meet the nice person who is also talking to you, joe scarborough. never forget that. he is talking to you.

he ghknows who he is talking to. hubert humphrey was a regular guy in person but on television, es over the top. al gore could be nice in person and regular occasionally -- occasionally. but some of them, hillary clinton, not taking anything from her public appearances but in person i find her far more charming a person in person. >> that's very true. >> so what are we to judge by it? are we to judge by the public persona or the private? it's a very tricky business. i agree. i think it's important to know both and helpful to see them from two perspectives but when they get on that platform, that's when they have to deliver, that personality. >> andrea? >> the reason i'm bringing this up is because last night on jimmy kimmel what i saw in person is what i saw it on tv. andrea, in a tough setting.

you know, andrea. you've followed a lot of presidential campaigns. it's easy for me to sit on the sidelines and talk about he did poorly in the debate but people say once you get inside that bubble, it is a really difficult thing, and rarely does anybody do it right the first time. >> well, he was great last night on jimmy kimmel and showed a different side of himself and a wonderful way to reintroduce himself. i think if it is a presidential race and certainly beyond the primaries and general election he has a problem because of some of the policies in texas on women's issues, on women's reproductive issues that would help him in the primaries but general election a tough sell but his personality was completely different and very engaging, i would agree. >> we will get back to the boxes but continue to the search for missing flight 370.

this morning, a new report by "wall street journal" that it's throwing more doubt into the whereabouts of the plane and it's 239 passengers and crew members on board. after reaching its last confirmed location over the gulf of thailand, u.s. investigators now believe the boeing 777 was in the air for up to four more hours? meaning the plane may have traveled an additional 2,200 miles or as far as the indian ocean. or the border of pakistan. that information is based on data automatically sent from the plane's engines to the ground from the boeing's 777 monitoring programs. the journal reports, quote, u.s. counterterrorism official are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection. malaysian officials deny the

report that the plane sent off data after its last-known contact. joining us live from malaysia is keir simmons. what is the take away from this morning's news conference. >> reporter: good morning. we talked about ho chaotic the news conference was yesterday but today it wasn't so chaotic but more confusing. start of the day that "wall street journal" report you talked about appearing to be well-sourced and now you had the minister here and ceo of malaysia airlines stand up and minister says the report is inracket and the ceo saying we contacted rolls-royce officials who are here and they tell us this isn't correct. it is confusing. you have "wall street journal" reporting up against the malaysian government and malaysia airlines, a contraction there with a rolls-royce in the

middle. i've talked to people in the control center where rolls-royce monitors these engines and it is incredibly sophisticated. "wall street journal" through u.s. officials, the newspaper says, that is telling them the plane kept going for some time after it cut off communications and after possibly it appeared on malaysian military radar. and then, mika, amongst all of this, we spoke took to one dad whose 29-year-old son is on that plane and it's heart breaking. he says, look, i am actually resigned to the possibility this could be the worse but i want to know what did happen and why my son is, whether he is alive or whether the worst has happened. confusion and real pain for these families. >> agony really. it's unspeakable.

nbc's keir simmons, thank you very much. back to politics now. as we saw in florida on tuesday, the president's landmark health care plan is having an impact on midterm elections. here is house speaker john boehner and steve israeli tried to frame the republican win. >> it's about the economy. it's about obamacare. listen. i've stood here after losing some special elections. i tried to put lipstick on a pig but it was still a pig. you can bet they will try to put lipstick on it today but you all know what the facts are. >> in other competitive districts that are far more competitive than this one our messaging will work and our turnout models will be good. i came to work this morning and heard there were thunderstorms coming into washington. you don't height hide from the climate. you fight through it and that is what we are going to do. >> so when it comes to the impact of obamacare, a new national bloomberg poll shows 73% of those who want the law repealed say the affordable care

act will be a major factor in their vote. it will play less of a role in the decisions of those who want only small changes or think the law is okay as it is. as far as voter turnout, 73% of people who want a full repeal -- joe, they say they will definitely vote. >> chris matthews, 2010. was a deciding issue and in 2014 it looks like it might be lining up that way again. to me it underlines the fact we have not two americans, two voting americas. an american that votes when the president runs and an america that runs in off-year elections. as president obama said a couple of days ago himself, two very different pool of voters and a lot of times two very different results. >> yeah. i looked, joe, at the "wall street journal," the dichotomy between democrats and republicans that came out yesterday and i thought it was powerful. the democrats are kind of a soft

mood. they want to negotiate and make deals across the aisle and fix obamacare. on the republican side it's much harder and want to get rid of obamacare plain and simple and don't want to negotiate so much. they are in a hard and fast position. you see passion on one side and hard positioning on one side. the other side, unsure of itself. you know who is going to vote? the ones that are sure of themselves. they want to get back to christian values and the elements of their beliefs when is kind of a base voting pattern. chuck said this the other kday and i thought it was pretty smart. if you're a democrat and you want to hold on to something of what you have, you have to change the question from how do you feel, which is lousy, and we're in the blues. republicans are very good at continuing that mood in the country. but you've got to change it to what side are you on some and you got to change it to a very deafing loud appreciation with the republican site. if they are going after entitlements you tell

republicans to go after medicare and social security. if they put on their platform or say they are against abortion you say they are coming after abortion rights. you have to put a very strong bold picture with republicans would like to do and say that's what they are going to do. you got to get very tough and that way you can probably have a chance of not taking a big loss in the house but even then, given the turnout you talk about being low this time, it's going to be very hard to hold the senate. i think the senate goes. we heard from the ghost of christmas future this week. which is they are going to lose the senate so they better change the name of this game and steve israeli is going to do it and michael bennett will do it on the senate side and change the game what side are you on and expect the worse from the republicans. you have to get -- >> my advice is the candidates have always been the same going back 20 years. i always say nobody ever stops you when you're going 90 miles an hour. nobody. sort of going along with what chris matthews said you do.

you're aggressive and you go to it and you don't take any crap off of your opponent and you go 90 miles an hour. we talked about this yesterday. alex sink went, like, 43, 44 miles an hour in a 65-mile-an-hour zone. that approach, which was, well, you know, there's some parts of obamacare i like and parts i don't. boy, what a disastrous approach. you either throw the president under the bus 90 miles an hour or you embrace this law 90 miles an hour. there is in an off-year election no middle ground and alex sink, i think, proved that the other day. >> well, i also think health care for democrats, it's a rabbit hole to use -- to pound a metaphor i pounded yesterday on another topic so my jeapologies for that. you look at what alex sink did on health care and for a swing voter it was probably a very satisfactory answer. we see in our nbc/"wall street

journal" poerllling. repeal, you're fixing will top repeal. that doesn't get fannies out of the seats and into the ballot box on the democratic side. what are the democrats running on? defending health care is okay. that's what you have to do. that is one-half of the campaign. i argue they got that one-half of the campaign right when you look what alex sink did. the other half of the campaign, what are you going to do? what are you fighting for so? what is your agenda? this whole overtime pay and all this stuff is important stuff to a small group of people but it's not important digital -- >> it has to be bigger. >> if i hear one more time the democrats, the white house it's not a swing district, it's a team. only was that because your people didn't show up?

they didn't move. they still live in the district! they aren't leaving? >> a custom designed district you could get. i think you're absolutely right. what is missing is a kind of message about -- an economic message that connects more broadly. whoever figures that out is going toed really well but neither party really has figured it out. >> that you think you have a decent chance of beating, a decent chance and plan everything nationally around that. take this guy deep, jolly, knock him out in november and figure out a guy, a suburban district say these crazy right wing christian nuts are going to take away your rights. they are doing it because listen to what they say. they are going -- they can't stop saying entitlements. go after that and stick it to them! you got to keep hitting them on the things they say. don't lie but emphasize what they are saying to their crazy

right and you tell that to the middle and you can maybe knock off some of these guys but unless you about it for an attack, i don't know how you play defense. joe, defense will lose. defense will lose. >> it depends what year. obviously, things change from 94 to 96 from 2006 to 2014. but you talk like that, chris matthews, in arkansas, and it's a republican pickup. you talk like that in louisiana, it's a republican pickup. you talk like that in north carolina, it's a republican pickup. you talk like that in seven red states where democrats are having to defend themselves this year, you lose. that's the much bigger problem. >> what is that? >> do you lose because of what i just said going on the attack or do you lose because the atmosphere this year is so down, so gloomy that people are not

inclined to say yes? all elections are yes or no. the mood right now is no. that means if you ask them how the republican in the house are doing they will say no but vote for somebody they think is out of power because they want to vote no. no is the mood of the voter so you find a no you got working for you and run against -- >> what i'm saying is this has a lot to do with geography. not only is the mood of the country against a democratic incumbent right now, six years in, which is just historically bad for whatever party in power six years in, but the point i was making was the geography of it plays against democrats as well this year because they are fighting on republican terms. when you talk about the senate, you got seven red states that republicans could very easily pick up and all i was saying was chris talking about, quote, crazy right wing christian

extremists. it's tough for the democrats to hold on to the senate. >> that's what i think is the real word. what chris is talking about works in house seats. but i think this year with people in all of our polls showing how sawyer they are on government, how much they hate washington, how they feel the country is going in the wrong direction, you need something, something else to win those seats and to hold those seats for those democrats and it's exactly the louisiana, arkansas, those are the senate seats. they should forget about the house right now. they won't win it any way. they will minimize the damage and should pour everything into those senate seats we move on to the tension between the senate and cia emerging. there are signs of a rift between two powerful senators, dianne feinstein, chair of the

intelligence committee, accused the cia of interfering with an investigation earlier this week. but saxby chambliss is breaking with her saying we yet don't know all of the facts surrounding the issue. a paper is reporting the white house has been holding 9,000 documents sought by the committee about cia detention and interrogation programs. the committee has been waiting five years and the documents haven't been handed over, even though the president hasn't claimed executive privilege. andrea, choose where you want to begin there. >> west this five-year investigation really started and joe knows this so well, it started with anger at the committee before feinstein was even chair. this was anger over the head of covert ops jose rodriguez had

destroyed the controversial documentation. mike hayden, the head of the cia, went to the committee and belatedly said, you know -- he -- he -- we have better evidence. we have documents. so we will give you everything you want. we will give you all of the documentation and that began the saga. '09, she takes over. takes over from rockefeller and an agreement by kit bond. this was the first of the split and it was a very polite division with saxby chambliss going to the floor last night. this is the first time they have had a partisan divide. >> it's not partisan. sorry for-to-intercept you but it is odd. >> where you stand on the agency. where you stand on john brennan. >> this is sort of weird.

the president and brennan are getting propped up by the republicans. >> by the republicans. >> and it's backed by -- >> not so surprising when you consider what they are defendinging. it is about john brennan and whether you believe that an agreement that proceeded dianne feinstein, an agreement with kit bond, rockefeller and panetta, that this senate facility with the cia setup with cia computers which was supposedly agreed to that the senate would control those computers and the cia would not be able to access them. the cia john brennan says that is a cia facility. i obliged under the law fible something has happened i have to go in and make sure those computers are safe. >> the outrageous thing is it's five years and we still don't know. we still don't know. supposedly they are doing all of those on behalf of us, the american public. we need to know what happened. >> there is are some democrats

who believe brennan is whitewashing all of this. >> ajoe? >> it is, in my opinion, it is extraordinarily highly politicized report. but, andrea, i'm looking at a letter that a few people have talked about, but not many, from actually john brennan to dianne feinstein dated january 27th and in this letter dated january the 27th, you actually have the cia director telling dianne feinstein that her staff members are abusing the -- >> joe, we put that letter on "nightly news" two nights ago. that letter was his response to several very tough meetings that they had over that. that was the counterattack by the agency that the senate staff

had taken those documents, but her initial complaint was on at least three instances, they have lost hundreds of documents that the cia had taken back from them. so you're absolutely right. that letter we put it in a "nightly news" piece the other night that the cia had actually made that allegation. >> so the allegation is that the staff members were abusing the process that was going on. they had set up this office on the hill and that they were going in and out. again, this has been going back now for four years, five years. it's just bizarre watching democrats attacking the cia director. when does the white house come out? is the president going to come forward and actually talk about releasing all of these documents? >> mcdonough and rumler, the white house counsel, went up to see feinstein the day before yesterday and they are desperately trying to quiet this down. they know this is a fight this

president doesn't want. they are trying to change the focus as chuck knows from his briefings with jay carney trying to move the focus to the back that president obama on day one dismantled the interrogation program and they are trying to say obama is right on this but the senate chair dianne feinstein says that the present cia director is trying to quash this report. >> we will be following this story. >> i -- really quickly. i want to say why is brennan -- you talk about going 90 miles an hour forward. there's no middle ground with brennan here. he is basically saying dianne feinstein's allegations are false and they will be proven false once the investigation moves forward. that is pretty extraordinary too. brennan is one of these washington players. he's been around long enough to know that, unlike some rookies that come to washington, d.c., that the sun always rises tomorrow and what you say today will be amplified tomorrow. brennan certainly sounds like he's holding a pretty strong

hand, doesn't he, andrea? >> does he get the right senate report that oversight committee role? the role of the bipartisan intelligence committee is oversee and basically the cia and other intelligence agencies. now brennan is saying, no, i have the right to edit your report and control what goes into it and if you get ahold of something, i can take it back. isn't that an incredible stadium? >> dianne feinstein has been as procia you can have in an intelligence committee. >> actually getting hit from the left. >> coddling the cia committee. i'm sorry. as far as credibility is concerned on this issue, dianne feinstein has been a very cautious and institutional and very respectful of the intelligence community. for brennan, i think he is tr d treading on dangerous political territory because i think she has more authority to credit him because she is head of the agency. >> she did not go public until

she saw the leaks that attacked her staff. >> she waited months. >> chris matthews, thank you very much. we are going to be watching "hardball," along with everybody. >> well, not everybody. >> everybody at 6:00 eastern time. >> we have competition. >> you do? >> yeah. >> didn't seem like you did. >> i was very careful. by the way, i noticed that bill o'reilly said that the president alabama lincoln wouldn't have gone on that show. >> i disagree. >> my view that alabama lincoln wou -- abraham lincoln would not have worked for fox. >> abe lincoln hector, douglas agreed to debate. he would have been an aggressive guy. >> chuck, stop laughing. >> chuck and andrea, stay with us, if you can. up next, could sanctions against russia over the crisis in ukraine drag the u.s. into a new cold war? and ian brzezinski will tell us next if diplomacy fails. a new documentary is

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we completely reject a referendum patched together in a few weeks with russian military personnel basically taking over crimea. we rejected legitimacy. it is contrary to international law. >> we have been very explicit about visa sanctions and banking sanctions and targeted business sanctions and individual kind of sanctions. i don't want to go into all of the detail, except to say this, it can get ugly fast if the

wrong choices are made. and it can get ugly in multiple directions. >> okay. we will talk about what that means as the secretary of state talking about the situation in ukraine and he is talking about the sanctions with russia. here with us now, senior fellow of the atlantic council, ian brzezinski along with andrea and chuck. talk about the trips to ukraine stand. >> right now, kerry is leaving tonight for london to meet tomorrow with the russian foreign minister in london. he had told the russians last week that they would not meet until the russians back down on this crimea referendum and began to meet with the ukrainians but the russians have not agreed to any of those things yet and they will have one last meeting. if it goes really well and maybe something can come out of it but as to so far the russians are not backing down. >> at this point, do you any

opening with the russians knowing the personality of the two? what kind of off ramp would they take? i don't see one. >> the administration is strong and firm. the problem is that no one would want to take putin on or no one would want to take obama on a field of rhetoric, putin is playing on a different playground and his desire to rean nate a sphere with the form former soviet union. the administration rhetoric has been vostrong but not by action. putin measure pressure and economic pressure has been placed on ukraine for nine months. crimea invasion started two weeks ago and russia yet to face a single consequences except a

few cancelled meetings. i don't see this coming up yielding much. >> the next point of pressure that is going to come is this referendum on sunday. >> right. >> in crimea on centrally retrocession to russia. how do you see that playing out and does that really complicate western efforts to reverse this? >> one, the referendum in crimea is completely legitimate. it's not being handled in a way that will fight for a free and fair vote. you can't do that when you're occupied by 18,000 russian soldiers. >> nothing on the ballot that permits you to vote no. >> really. >> you only have one choice on the ballot apparently. >> let me read david ignatius notes in "the washington post." it's still possible to imagine a fuzzy, face saving compromise in ukraine. crimea would have a new administrative status blessed by

moscow and kiev. the problem is few analysts think that vladimir putin will swallow this diplomatic pill. russia is in political, economic, and social decline. putin's tactics led its people to depose russian backed president yanukovych last month and form a new government. by his behavior, putin has driven russia's neighbors clovers to nato. russia has likely lost most of ukraine as a buffer state even if it claims crimea as a consolation prize. the world simply isn't moving russia's way. chuck todd? >> this is about exactly what you hear from susan rice and behind the scenes from john kerry. this is what the administration believes that this is. so i guess my question is with

putin, so if he makes this, you know, if he gets what he wants with crimea, does he go somewhere else? the fear, of course, is after he gets crimea then he will continue to try to manipulate problems inside ukraine to try to get a leadership back in his direction. but he tried bribery essentially. glorified bribery by trying a financial situation. it didn't seem to work. what does he do? it doesn't seem like russia can afford to support satellite states the way they did it during the cold war. >> you have to remember crimea isn't that huge. two, you have to remember crimea has an important place in putin's heart. he has been going after crimea ever since he became president. >> isn't that part of the problem? this is almost an emotional exercise for putin. >> this is an exercise related to his vision of what russian power should be and how to

position itself. and, you know, if he acquires, reacquires crimea, he will set a precedent that will lead him to do the same thing perhaps against georgia, latvia and others. crimea is a replay of essentially what happened in georgia. it's validating his strategy and western acceptance of this remaking of the map of europe is a precedent that is going to lead to -- >> quickly. is u.s. response -- georgia, ukraine, nato, full membership as a basically line in the sand? >> we should be encouraging ukrainian aspirations to join. the parliament has expressed that but not an issue we are talking about. >> georgia wants in. they have wanted in for years. >> they have and they should probably be given a membership actual plan. ukraine should be given a path toward that once it meets the requirements for a membership action plan. >> joe has a question.

joe? >> really quickly. ian, you're talking about how the united states hasn't done anything, the allies haven't done anything. so you've got the president's ear. tell the president what is -- one thing he should do. by the way, my executive producer says we have 30 seconds. the president is putting his golf glove on and about to run out and play golf. you have his ear for 30 seconds. what is the one thing you tell the president to do right now to send a strong message to vladimir putin that this must stop? >> accelerate the implementation of sanctions and force partial movements and diplomatic zo isolation and do it now and don't wait until sunday. >> you need 28 countries and you're not going to get it. >> ian only needed ten second. >> you got 20 more. >> ian, thank you so much. nice to have you. i'm getting you back.

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march is a cruel month but if you're a skier you love what happened in northern new england. this is the type of snowstorm that will keep them open until mid or end of april at this rate especially with the way the weather pattern is looking the rest of the month. let's talk about the airports. it's windy. i think we will see delays continuing during the day. as long as we have gusts to 40 miles per hour you're going to get some delays. we are still dealing with the snow up in northern vermont but the heaviest is up through maine and where you're traveling in

the snow. a lot of schools delayed throughout the region and some cancelled and boston light snow also. the winds are howling out there. 20 to 30 miles per hour. look at these windchills. buffalo stands out, but even d.c. with a windchill of 9 this time of year is very cold. let's take to you what they call the snowiest city in america, lake effect and snowstorms. they get it all. our own dylan dryer joins us from syracuse, new york. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, bill! but it's so beautiful! it's fantastic standing out here in 10 below windchills but this area is used to the snow. we ended up with about another foot out of this storm system but here is the problem i ran into yesterday. i was trying to get from chicago to here. and i took a route through jfk where i ended up driving here through this storm yesterday. i hit it all. it was 50 degrees in new york city. it was 7 degrees by the time i got here yesterday. and i had heavy rain, sleet and freezing rain and then extremely

heavy snow. this snow is really light and fluffy. the problem, bill, i ran into yesterday, 40-mile-per-hour wind gusts right across the road just reduced visibility in an instant so that was my biggest concern yesterday was the wind and now, today, the windchill. bill? >> just a miserable scene up there. you just wonder if baseball teams will supposed to play there in two or three weeks. >> good luck with that! >> exactly. got to do a lot of melting before then. thanks, dylan. up next on "morning joe," how can americans expect to get ahead when they are living paycheck to paycheck? maria shriver and katrina gilbert hare here with their ne hbo documentary. much more "morning joe" coming up. ♪

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$9.49 an hour for what we do. the car insurance. the phone. day care. if i went to a normal day care, it would cost me $300 per week for all three of my children. i mean, that's my whole paycheck! this past year, i couldn't even give none of them a birthday party. not even a birthday present. >> personal look there. a scene from paycheck to paycheck, the life and times of katrina gilbert. here so talk about the show is the maria shriver and katrina gilbert. mika is going to join in from washington with questions.

why did you want to provide this type of insight of what it's like for 42 million americans who are living this way, paycheck-to-paycheck? >> i think the shriver reported focused on the 1 in 3 women in this country who are living on the brink. i think we talk about these issues and stats behind them so much but i thought in focusing on a real human being with real issues, you could see how important something is like sick time. you could see a person like katrina choosing between work and trying to do better for her children, trying to pursue an education and not being able to get financial aid. and katrina represents the 42 million women who are like her and the 28 million kids who depend on them. i think we can do better. >> katrina, tell us about -- as we saw there, three beautiful kids. you're working your tail off to try to provide for them. and doing the best that you can. but then when we hear the realities the fact that no birthday parties. that has to break your heart as a parent and being able to provide. so what is it like for you living on $9.49 an hour and

trying to get by? >> it's an everyday struggle. just like you said with no birthday, it breaks my heart, it really does break my heart. it's an everyday struggle. if your car goes out, you know, what will you do? i don't have the money in the bank to fix it. and it's just that -- it's really hard. you worry about medical situations coming up, missing work if one of the kids are sick, and it's really hard on you. >> well, also, you have to think about things going wrong at the house, if the heater breaks down, or silly thens that go wrong in our everyday lives that do happen. if the recourse isn't there for you to feel financially able to take care of it, that leaves you in limbo. >> it does. >> all right. so, mika, you had a question for katrina and maria. >> yeah, katrina, and maria jump

in afterwards. first of all, your kids are adorable. they're beautiful. it's so obvious how hard you work and the challenges you face. i'm not really sure how you make the math add up. so i guess the question i have for you is, how are your kids doing? and what are your hopes for them? >> they are doing very well. they're doing very well in school, and they're happy children. my goal for them is to grow up and to have a good life and to not live paycheck to paycheck. that's my goal for them. finish college and them just to be happy, everyday life and not have the struggles that i have. >> maria, her hope is so basic. she doesn't want her children to live paycheck to paycheck. is there an avenue for her to provide that for them? >> well, absolutely, and you see in the film, mika, she is trying

to pursue her education, trying to get a better paying job. that's certainly, i think, the really inspiring thing about this movie, is katrina represents, as i said, the 42 million women. but there are also so many families across this country who are living paycheck to paycheck, and who are trying to not only provide but to parent, to care for elderly parents themselves, and they're trying to better themselves in a country that doesn't provide child care. so many of the women like katrina working jobs that don't provide any sick leave or any benefits whatsoever. so i think she represents not just the women working paycheck to paycheck, but families all across this country. and one of the big things we're trying to do with this documentary is have gatherings all over the nation, already 500 people have signed up all over the country, to talk about the issues that you see unfold in katrina's life, in such a human way. and i think as someone said to me after watching the film the other day, this is a clarion call to the nation. and we can do better, and everybody who's in katrina's

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♪ as far as the allegations f of, you know, cia hacking into, you know, senate computers, nothing could be further from the truth. we wouldn't do that. i mean, that's -- that's -- that's just beyond, you know, the scope of reason. >> if the cia wasn't purposefully destroying evidence, what happened to those files? >> the cia, when asked what was going on, first denied any interference, then blamed it on the i.t. guys. >> nerds! nerds! [ laughter and applause ] i knew it. it was the i.t. guys! sure, the i.t. guys stole the files off of the thing. bay of pig, yeah, a problem in h.r. [ laughter ] faulty iraq intelligence? [ bleep ] and counting. >> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast, as you take a live look at the white house. back with us on set, we've got

eugene robinson, sam stein, julie pace, and al hunt. joe, i don't know if you saw the headlines, front page of "new york city," all over the airwaves yesterday, two buildings flattened literally in a matter of seconds. >> i know. >> at least three people dead. >> now six people dead. >> i thought it was, and i was -- "the new york times" has three at this point, but confirmed overnight six. unbelievable. and apparently, the gas company was on their way there. people had been smelling fumes in the area for quite sometime. so a big local story in new york city, and, of course, now we're going to bring you up to date on the search and rescue mission on the missing plane. it now continues into the sixth day, missing flight 370 we're talking about. this morning, there is a new report by the "wall street journal" that is throwing even more doubt into the whereabouts of the plane and its 239

passengers and crew members on board. after reaching its last confirmed location over the gulf of thailand, u.s. investigators now believe the boeing 777 was in the air for up to four more hours, meaning the plane -- the plane may have travelled an additional 2,200 miles, or as far as the indian ocean, or to the border of pakistan. that information is based on data automatically sent from the plane's engines to the ground from the boeing 777's monitoring programs. the "journal" reports, quote, this -- u.s. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection. malaysian officials deny the "journal's" report the plane sent out data after its last-known contact.

yesterday, there were several other reports about the possible location of the missing plane. abc news reported an oil worker claims he saw the burning jetliner crash into the south china sea, saying it came down in, quote, one piece. that report is still unconfirmed. and chinese officials published satellite images of what they believe could be debris from the plane. however, there was no evidence of a crash at the location shown in those images. so it's really, i mean -- to call it a -- >> sam has a theory. >> -- fascinating mystery -- >> sam has a theory. the island of lost. >> the only thing that makes sense. >> no, it's really -- can you imagine the families -- >> no, it's nuts. >> -- i mean, there's no explanation. they disappeared into thin air as far as we can tell. >> and it's got to be harder having the different reports out there totally unconfirmed and then have them distracted -- >> there's nothing. >> and the malaysian officials,

let's be honest, have been so all over the map. it's, like, yes, no, here, th e there. it's just crazy. >> can't imagine flying for four hours -- i almost hope that's not true. i don't know. >> i just have been suspicious the last couple of days that it's an act of terrorism. not because i know anything. >> yeah. i am, too. >> terrorists claim credit. they do it because they want people to know about it, and after five days you would think if some bad group did it, they'd say, a-ha, we did it. >> right. >> and there hasn't been any of that. >> it's very possible this was just a horrible accident and it will take time to find the plane. remember the air france crash, it took several days. but just the amount of false information that's out there just feeds this narrative, it must be something -- >> we're going to follow the most credible reports, joe, because it does -- it can be outlandish when you imagine what could have happened here, and terrorism does come to mind. >> yeah, it really does. you know, i'm also reminded of -- julie brought up her plane

theory. mine right now is based on the reporting this morning, you know, it sounds a lot like -- and i'm sure they've investigated all of the pilots here -- but it does sound like an inside job of somebody turned off the devices that would allow officials to track where they went, and then they went four additional hours possibly? you know, there have been stories -- there was the egyptian airliner crash back in about 2000, where you remember the pilot took the plane down in an act of terrorism. but this one, moving toward pakistan possibly brings up a whole new slew of possibilities. it really is one of the most bizarre news stories in quite sometime regarding airliners. it's unbelievable. >> well, we'll track as much credible information as comes in and bring it to you. let's move on to politics now. as we saw in florida on tuesday, the president's landmark health care plan is already having an impact on midterm elections. here's house speaker john

boehner and congressman steve israel, who's in charge of electing democrats tried to frame the republican win. >> it's about the economy. it's about obamacare. listen, i've stood here after losing some special elections. i tried to put lipstick on a pig, but it was still a pig. you can bet they'll try to put lipstick on it today, but you know what the facts are. >> in other competitive districts that are far more competitive than this one, our messaging will work, our turnout models will be good. you know, look, i came to work this morning, heard there were thunderstorms coming in washington. you don't hide from the climate. you fight through it, and that's what we're going to do. >> wow, okay, so okay. when it comes to the impact of obamacare, in new national bloomberg poll shows 73% of those who want the law repealed say the affordable care act will be a major factor in their vote. it will play less of a role in the decisions of those who want only small changes, or think the law is okay as it is.

and as far as voter turnout, 73% of people who want a full repeal -- and this is the interest part, according to al -- say they definitely will vote -- it actually -- it could be devastating, joe. >> well, it could. al hunt, though, i've got to say, as a republican, i was pleased to hear john boehner talk about what the american people were interested in, and the first thing that came out of his mouth was not obamacare, was not benghazi. he talked about jobs. that tells me that perhaps, perhaps the people in washington are starting to get it here. but there is no doubt that for the motivated in an off-year election, which we all know where the voters are older, more on medicare advantage, they're whiter, they're more conservative, this could be a defining issue for those who actually knock on doors, make the phone calls, and decide who

win these off-year elections. >> joe, you're absolutely right. if that profile that voted last tuesday in florida looks -- the profile in november looks anything like that, there will be a republican sweep. actually, the poll numbers have gotten a bit better on obamacare, but it is, as you suggest, the intensity factor. those people, that one-third of the country that still adamantly wants to repeal obamacare, they're turning out. and the trick for the democrats is to somehow energize those others in a nonpresidential year. that's a tough task. >> it is unbelievable to me, sam stein, that all these years later, after the passage of obamacare and after we already had our off-year election that was determined by obamacare in 2010, with historic results for the republican party, here we are four years later. the same piece of legislation appears to be one of the driving motivating factors in an election four years later.

>> sure. well, what's partially by design when they put the affordable care act together, they put all the implementation down the road, and when it started being implemented, we saw the problems with the website and some of the broken promises, let's say, from the president about keeping your plan, and it's a motivating factor again. i guess if i was a democrat, one of the good things i would be comforted is the fact that because you were swept so badly in 2010, you have fewer house races that you can actually lose at this juncture. >> no, it's the senate this time, sam. it's the senate. >> i know. the senate is a bit of problem. i would say -- i thought it was interesting in the bloomberg poll, which is actually now the third in a row that have seen a small improvement in the favorability numbers for the affordable care act, the law is getting a little more popular. as you know rightfully, the motivating factor for a lot of people is they oppose it and they want to come out and show their opposition. and you equated it to gun control. and i think that's a very apt

comparison. i think it's going to be a motivating factor for the people who like the law, bring them out, and democrats need to find out a way to motivate their b e base, and it has to be probably outside of obamacare at this juncture. >> joe? >> it's really something. i love sam stein saying, well, the great news is, the democrats lost all of the elections four years ago, and reminded of the famous kris kristofferson song, we'll see what happens in the senate, though. but, julie, this is the time traditionally in most presidencies where you have the legislators, the people running for office, scrambling, i saw it, running down to the white house saying, "i need your help, i need your help." but that help didn't come in 2010. and it's so odd for talking to democrats on the hill who basically seem to have this attitude we're in this on our own. they're not going to message

this for us. they're not going to help us. do you hear anything from a white house growing increasingly concerned based on reports yesterday that they may have bad results in the midterms? any plans by the white house to help these democrats, especially in the senate who are in trouble? >> well, one then i would say is that some of the democrats purposefully do not want visible help from the white house. they don't want the president coming to their state. what they do want is him to raise money. and if you listen to the comments the president has been making in his fund-raisers, they're really interesting. democrats could get walloped in november. the party is just not good at midterms. we're good at presidential elections, but we get sleepy when it comes to midterms. and he says if you care about things like health care, if you care about things like abortion rights, gay rights, we have to turn out for this midterm election. now, can the president change the dynamic of the electorate in november on his own --

>> reverse psychology -- >> it almost sounds like wishful thinking from republicans not the democratic president, but he has to instill this fear in democrats -- >> i'm going to read an editorial, but quickly, al, you want to chime in? >> no, i agree. it will be hard to energize the democratic base, and joe's earlier point on obamacare, it is political malpractice that this administration has been unable to this day explain this law. >> yeah, it's health care for people. it's health care for people. that's a good thing. isn't it? >> right. >> i don't understand. >> you don't like health care? >> how do you botch that? "wall street journal," i want you to comment on this, eugene, writing the 2014 wave. republicans, their challenge is how to turn a good year into one that captures the senate with seats to spare. one obvious point is that the party's factions ought to start targeting democrats rather than each other. the assault by the senate conservatives fund, and minority leader mitch mcconnell want to

elect matt beven but it might defeat mr. mcconnell in november. more broadly, they need a house senate strategy of how to exploit the obamacare message. the repeal message is still potent with the gop base. there's no question about that. but a more positive message would attract independents and frustrated democrats. several proposals to repeal and replace obamacare wholesale are circulating in congress, but none has a chance to pass. the gop goal this year should be simpler. craft legislation that highlights and fixes flaws in obamacare that have been so clearly exposed by the last few months. gene? >> yeah, but they won't do that. >> let me ask you something. if they did that, would that be more of a winning approach? >> i think that's where polls say the public is. look, that would -- the base would be furious, right, because the party has so demonized the affordable care act that the

base now -- nothing short of repeal it and erase it from the history books is going to satisfy the base. but in terms of the general public, every poll shows that's what people want. they don't want it repealed. they want it fixed. >> they want it fixed. joe, is that the box republicans are stuck in, that the base is going to be so hard line about repeal that they will not be able to tailor their message to something that might appeal more broadly? >> well, you know, if the base is so hard line they're offended by the editorial page of the "wall street journal" and they call them rinos, the base needs to get their heads checked. i've got to hand this to the "wall street journal" editorial page. i have complained through the years that, you know, i feel like i'm alone out there complaining about the excesses of my own republican party. but the "wall street journal" was, back in 2004, along with tom coburn and myself, one of first outlets to criticize

george w. bush for excessive spending. and they were right. everybody else was wrong. we were right. everybody else was wrong. then, last fall, they made the argument obviously against the government shutdown. the conservative rock rift, "wall street journal" editorial page along with charles krauthammer, myself, and i can count it on one hand, early on, "the journal" was out early on predicting doom, and the editorial page was right, and republicans should have listened to them then and myself. now, the "wall street journal" editorial page once again offers wise, sage advice to the republican party, to the republican base. okay, you're not going to repeal it. you can have 800 votes to repeal obamacare. find the parts that don't work, fix it, pass it in the house, and then force mary landrieu, kay hagan and mark pryor and other conservative moderate democrats that are running for re-election, force them to vote

no, or force harry reid to vote no. turn that into your spectacle, not another meaningless vote on the floor of the house. pass it. then get it over to the senate. and then, make those democrats sit on their hands and explain to constituents at home why they don't want to fix obamacare. not defund, repeal and do all the things that will help you win straw polls at events. actually do it. >> okay. >> and i think, al hunt, i think the "wall street journal" is dead on again. i don't agree with them on everything. i know you don't here. but pretty sage advice to the republican base. >> joe, when i joined the "wall street journal" before you were born, i adored the philosophical, eloquent clarity of a vermont/connecticut oyster. that's what the "wall street journal" editorial page. i now see it's turned into a political strategist, washington selling firm, i suppose that might be effective.

i'm not sure that we ought to worship at the altar of editorial pages. >> well, you know, i'm deeply offended by that. [ laughter ] you've turned on your kind. >> can i say this about the republican repeal plan and replacement? we looked into this. i mean, we traced the history. for five years now they've been saying we need to replace it with something and not just repeal it. and they've yet to come up with an actual full plan. >> that's the whole point. >> and i think what will end up happening is the republican party has painted itself a little bit in a box here, because they've come out so strongly against the whole keep your plan line that obama said. they need a health care form plan that allows you to keep your plan. that's not what they've set out. they've put the lines around what they can do legislatively by criticizing obamacare so forcefully, if they were to get a repeal -- >> you know how things -- i

agree with that. you know how things go in politics. they have opportunities here. >> they don't have to do what sam said in 2016. >> that's right. this year, whale away. coming up on "morning joe," kasie hunt joichbs us, and catherine rampell, why women should stop worrying about getting as in school. i wish someone would have told me that. is cs okay? >> it was for me. >> okay. worked for me. >> i had honorable cs. a gentleman c. >> you had incompletes. >> i did. i had gentleman's incomplete. sorry, go ahead. >> "the new york times" dave leonhardt will explain the upshot. we have the politico playbook. first, bill karins with a check on the just simply awful

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♪ all right. it's time now to look at the morning papers. we're going to start with "the new york times." the death toll is rising this morning after two apartment buildings collapsed in new york city yesterday. the deadly blast in the harlem section of manhattan is being blamed on a gas leak. overnight, three more victims

were pulled from the rubble. right now, six people dead, several others still missing. unbelievable. more than six dozen people are hurt. officials say the blast happened about 15 minutes after a resident reported the smell of gas. these photos show the buildings before and just after the explosion. at this hour, first responders are still looking through the rubble to search for the possible -- for any possible survivors. joe? >> just a terrible, terrible story yesterday morning in new york. unbelievable. from our parade of papers, "the los angeles times" march is marking the one-month of anti-government protests turned deadly in venezuela yesterday. a police officer was among three people shot dead. witnesses say dozens more were hurt. the shootings occurred during a day of heated demonstrations and clashes between protesters and security forces. 25 people have been killed since the protests began last month.

>> let's go to "the detroit free press." criticism is growing for general motors over its recall of 1.6 million cars. yesterday, gm admitted it knew as early as 2001 there were problems with faulty ignition switches. that is three years earlier than gm first admitted it was aware of an issue. meanwhile, the carmaker say it is will give owners of the recalled cars $500 toward a new car. >> and this from "the toledo blade." a heavy snowstorm in ohio is being blamed for a deadly 50-vehicle pileup. three people were killed and a state trooper was seriously injured after a collision created a chain reaction. the pileup shut down the highway turnpike in both directions for about four hours. >> let's go to "the denver post." a driver is in custody after a wild police chase near denver. it started at a gas station when the suspect appears to steal a red suv with a 4-year-old in the backseat.

>> ah. >> police issued an amber alert, and the van was spotted on the highway. he then apparently carjacked a minivan, leaving the boy behind unharmed. after taking control of a third vehicle, the man ran off and was captured by police later. >> and this from the "wall street journal." a new poll shows a shocking answer as to what americans think is worse for their health. man, i am, in the words of elvis costello, a man out of time, nbc news and "wall street journal" survey shows many americans think it is better to smoke pot than eat a candy bar. okay? the poll says 15% of americans say sugar is more harmful than weed. still, tobacco at 49% and alcohol at 24% dominated last year. sam stein, this is a hell of

dilemma for you, because, well -- is sam not there? is sam gone? >> he went out for a smoke. >> he's off smoking pot -- >> excuse me. >> he's getting the munn cchies getting a snickers bar. this is terrible for sam. you know, some people like both, you know? >> yeah, some people like both. >> like the old reese's peanut butter cup commercials, two great tastes that go great together. >> you know what i did last night? >> snickers bar? >> i sat in bed, in my hotel room, and i ate an entire supersized snickers bar. >> oh, mika. >> that's good. that's good for you. >> it was so good. >> mika, you didn't do any of those other three things that were offered in the "wall street journal." >> maybe i should smoke pot. i never have. but that was -- it is -- sugar, i will say, very seriously, and not like a scold, i do think they're going to find things

about sugar. they already are, that we eat too much of it and it's really, really damaging to our systems. so that's kind of -- >> i tell you what. it is -- it is damaging. i saw what it did to my grandmother who, god rest her soul, jewel clark, she would have sugar shocks, sweet tea every day. i mean, poured sugar into everything. it was unbelievable. i think if she had stayed away from sugar, she may have lived another 10, 15 years to 115. she died, unfortunately, at 94. it shortened her life, at least. a couple of years, mika. terrible for her. >> that's a long way to be sarcastic. let's go to mike howell. >> very sad. a tragedy. >> we'll let the science speak for itself. >> we haven't recovered from it. >> okay. mike allen is here with the "morning playbook." why don't you save me from myself, mike? one of your lead stories this morning on politico, the

pulitzer prize and edward snowden. what's going on there? the board of trustees reward the reporting by the "guardian" and the "washington post"? >> yeah, well, mika, welcome home. this is a juicy debate that's going to play out between now and april 14th when columbia awards the pulitzer prizes. do they go ahead and endorse the reporting by gene's colleagues at the "washington post" and "guardian" about edward snowden, clearly the biggest story of the year, you could argue the biggest journalistic story of the decade. yet, president obama and other people in the government say the revelations have been very harmful. the justice department almost certainly will try to prosecute edward snowden. he's thinking of some sort of plea bargain to bring him home. so do you endorse that? or do you stick your head in the sand, pick the government over the journalists and ignore what was clearly the biggest story of the year? back when the pentagon papers came out, the pulitzer board

went with that -- gave "the new york times" the public service award. they also have the dilemma, do you give it to the "post"? to the "guardian"? or both? >> well, i'm a member of the pulitzer prize board. >> that's why i'm asking. >> we don't talk about our deliberations at all. >> well, i'm not -- daniel iseberg was indicted, and if they want to, cowardly, they side with the government. >> joe? >> there are articles that certainly change the course of events and it depends on what the pulitzer committee wants to do. i made no secret of it. i was offended by some "washington post" articles that exposed a large part of what we were doing in war against al qaeda. but that won the pulitzer, and it changed the government. it changed democrats who had previously supported a lot of

things we were doing. i mean, it changed the debate forever and won the pulitzer. if you're going to give it to the "washington post" for that series, why wouldn't you give it to the "guardian" for what they did here, because my god, what has changed, you know, this debate and this discussion more than those series of articles? >> exactly. >> yeah, mika, prediction. i think that the pulitzer board will give the prize at least to the "post" maybe to both, and they will say it's for the reporting, not for the leaking. >> a-ha! we'll keep that on tape. politico's mike allen, thank you. coming up, the "washington post's" catherine rampell explains why young women should stop trying to be straight-a students. seriously, get over it. you don't need to be perfect, you're wonderful. she'll explain that next.

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here's the problem, ladies. if you're going to delay looking for a husband and having your children until after you've spent the first 10, 12 years developing your career, you're going to be in your mid-30s and you're going to start thinking about having a baby?

from a biological perspective, your fertility has limitations, number one. number two, you're going to start looking for a husband in your mid-30s? you'll be competing with girls ten years younger than you. not only can you not compete for men with women 10 years younger than you, because they're 10 years younger than you, they're dewey-eyed, fresh, adorable. >> hard to hear, but does it make any sense? >> it's the truth. >> i can't wait to be with someone who's happy not because of my age, where i got in my career, because i'm motivated, because i spent my early 20s -- i'm only 22. i don't need to have a timeline. i'm having the best time in my life, and i'm working, which you look at most people my age aren't right now. >> that's absolutely true. oh, my lord, we're already talking about it on the set. by the way, jessica, sam stein's wife, did follow princeton's advice, meeting in e-con 101. that's a check in the box of the princeton mom, because poor

jessica -- no, just kidding. it's really cute that you met in class at durham. we're getting massive response to this. and catherine and kasie are horrified. they think that woman is absolutely wrong and distasteful, i think was the word used. keep these responses coming, though, because i actually do think it's a really legitimate conversation, use t the #morningjoe, tweet me @morningmika. i have a blog, mojoe.msnbc.com. take on the debate. i actually -- i try to make the case as to why a part of her message -- if you just take a part of her message, and maybe start looking for a guy, if getting married is something you want in your life, to start looking at the same time that you're starting your career. it doesn't mean you jump into the first relationship, but i don't think it's something that you put off. [ gasp ] but every time i say the prince tom mom, what did you think? you cringed.

and you went like that. turned to the side. >> i mean, i live here in washington where a lot of people get married later. you know, it's not something where i feel like a lot of my peers are contemporaries or in a big rush necessarily. you know, if you make that decision early on, you're potentially affecting your prospective decisions down the line. you know, for some people, i'm sure it's a perfectly good idea. my parents met in school. >> mm-hmm, mine did, too. >> mine, too. >> it worked out wonderfully. that said, i don't think it's the be all and end all. >> i don't think it's the be all and end all. check out the blog i wrote. tweet me @morningmika. i love this conversation. catherine, columnist for "washington post," we're bringing you in at this point, because you have a fascinating piece on young women in college, a different issue on that. and it's about the way they perceive their grades and the choices they make. a message to the nation's women, you say, stop trying to be straight-a students. no, not because you might

intimidate easily emasculated men. they're also the stingiest about awarding as. new research studies suggest that women might be abandoning lucrative disciplines because they're terrified of getting bs. that's where i want to start. why is there this sort of concept in a young woman's mind that she has to be perfect or not do it at all? because there is that, isn't there? >> i think there is. and that may be explaining what's going on. because if you look at how men react to grades in these other courses, like -- you know, i was thinking about science, tech, engineering, economics, math. >> yeah. >> where the grades are tough and it's hard to get as, that men don't seem to get scared off. they get a b, they get a c, they stay with the major.

women, if they don't get an a, they're much more likely to drop it. >> like economics at dartmouth. >> yeah. well, at risk of oversharing, i guess -- >> she left the class? >> no, we finished the class. but she left the profession, but so did i. you know, i agree with your premise, i think it's right. i will say my personal experience, i went into college trying to be -- or with the idea of being premed, and my first bio test i got a 60, and it freaked me out. and i dropped being a premed basically. >> very girlie. >> i was going to be an architect. got into architecture 101 at michigan. i'm sure i was the worst student. you know, i switched. i got out of that, because i realized, gee, this is something that -- >> well, if you're failing, eugene, my god, nobody wants you in the class. no, but i think the issue for girls, kasie, don't you have an experience that's textbook to what catherine is talking about? >> yeah, i didn't drop a major. i took an art history class

which i absolutely loved, and i got a b-minus, and i never took another art history class in college. >> this is more pronounced for women. >> you know, it's an interesting question. it could be that maybe men are a little bit more overconfident in college, not to invoke a lot of, like, broish stereotypes, but maybe they think, hey, i'm good at this, what does that idiot professor know? i'm going to stay with it. probably more likely. the majors we're talking about are high-earning majors, not quite so much history, but computer science, economics, engineering, they tend to be the higher earning majors. maybe the men are likely to see themselves at future bread winners. i don't care if i get a c, it will get me a better job. >> or maybe a b isn't so bad and guys keep going while the girls go, i didn't get an a. see, i was a c-plus student.

hard-fought c-plus, b-minus, so i missed this whole thing, because i was so far from perfect. but i saw so many friends, and i see this in one of my daughters, like, it's as or nothing. it's as, and i'll enjoy myself. or nothing. and what's wrong with a hard-fought b in something you're interested in? >> there's also been a great inflation across the board, but especially in the humanities. >> yeah. >> and i think, so that's part of why you see a lot of students rerouting away from the s.t.e.m. fields and into the humanities. >> societal forces that discourage women from being in certain professions. >> or encourage them to be perfect. it's a great, great piece. catherine rampell, thank you so much. we'll see it in the "washington post." check it out. kasie, stay with us if you can. up next, how "the new york times" is proving that there is little chance the democrats will actually turn the bluegrass state blue in november. "morning joe" will be right back.

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♪ joining us now, "the new york times" david leonhardt, the managing editor of "the upshot" the paper's brand-new project. we have two pieces you'll show us. one about mitch mcconnell and the other about sbarro and bankrupt. that pizza is so heavy. >> yeah, it's hard to be upset by them being bankrupt. >> speak for yourself. >> yeah, really. >> what is the upshot? >> so the upshot is a new site we're building at "the new york times," focusing on politics and policy. the idea is to speak to people in a conversational voice, not dumb it down. people who want to understand the news better. i wrote an economics column for six years, and it will have that same voice. >> the two articles you're

previewing to give us a sense. mitch mcconnell, no chance in hell of losing? >> well, maybe not quite that far. >> that would be the upshot? >> i would see the upshot as this, that i think a lot of people, and definitely a lot of democrats, are overstating his chances of losing. you just don't see states that are as republican as kentucky go against an incumbent senator in a midterm election. that doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but we should expect the voters are more likely to come home to him than not. >> here's my question. what does his title mean in the context of that? you saw democrats -- excuse me, republicans really go after tom daschle and take him down because he was the leader. >> yeah, tom daschle is great analogy. if south dakota were a state that voted for the democrats in the presidential election by 25 points, i think mitch mcconnell would be in much more danger. since kentucky is a plus-25 "r" state, his title will hurt him, because washington isn't popular now. i think he's a substantial favorite. >> gene robinson, do you agree with the upshot? >> i agree with the upshot and the download.

i think unless he's convicted of some felony or something between now and then, i think mr. collins will survive. i do. >> let's talk about pizza. sam stein, the upshot. go ahead. >> there's no way to defend sbarro's. it's terrible pizza. it's oil and -- >> let's be honest. for a while, people would go there, it was a constant fixture in malls, airports, whatever. why did people just stop going? >> think about when you've eaten there. you've probably eaten there because you looked at four, five options in the mall, and you thought, whoa, it's better than the other options. that's when i've eaten there. i'm a proud new yorker picky about my pizza. >> sure. >> the problem is people are going to malls less often. as neil irwin points out, it's a victim of cultural change. we're going online. we're going to the hipster food companies downtown. >> and anecdotally, i've noticed in our airports we have fancier restaurants nowadays. >> yes. >> they're moving away from that

chain-like restaurant fixture. >> have you eaten at the rick bayless restaurant in o'hare? it's a legitimately good -- >> i've heard about that restaurant being good. >> and healthier foods in airports. some of them. some of them really are, which is a fun transformation to watch. even fun to watch mcdonald's squirm their way into healthy foods so they don't get sued. >> mccafe. >> i covered mcdonald's for years, and they put salad on the menu not because they don't eat it, but they go there and then veto it. >> the big mac has lettuce. come on. >> i like this. why don't we do a segment, "the upshot," and you come on, and we'll do the upshot on -- that's good. >> let's do it. >> a partnership with "the new york times." all right. you want to cut a deal right now? >> absolutely. >> all right, david, thank you so much. the upshot launch is next month. i think we have got a good idea here. >> i'm coming back. >> on tomorrow's show, ariana huffington joins us. >> yes!

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♪ [ horn sounding ] >> that is a boxer laying on the horn, because he wants mommy to come back. i'm going to bring some video of spice, he does ridiculous things. what have we learned today? kasie hunt? >> apparently i did it all wrong in college. i should have gotten more bs in college and have started looking for a husband. >> what's wrong with you? poor kasie. >> i'm not perfect. >> you are perfect, actually. sam? >> you're last. because you say something cute. >> from maria shriver, when we

talk about minimum wage, we should have more people on who live paycheck to paycheck. >> she's inspired an idea, and we'll bring on a segment with hearing about those real life stories. >> totally agree with gene. when we have a discussion on this set about pot and candy, joe will turn to me even if i'm not on set. >> right. your wife is a smart woman, looked to the princeton mom. married the guy she met in college. >> we all married the guys we met in college. if it's way too early, what time is it? it's time for "morning joe." now, time to go over to chuck todd for "the daily rundown." have a great day, everybody. after getting sunk in florida, democrats say their problem wasn't president obama or health care, but just that they didn't get their voters to vote. well, why is that? and if health care signups break bad, then there isn't much out there to inspire democrats for november