poverty, again. and this time, it's not about a fake school lunch story or a much maligned report slamming the war on poverty. this time it's regarding his believes about poverty and, to quote him, the cultural problem in our inner cities. the latest trouble for ryan came wednesday morning when he went on the radio show of a well-known conservative, bill bennett. the two of them started talking conservative policy about race and poverty. specifically why it's so difficult to break the cyclical nature of poverty in certain segments of society. now, in theory, nothing wrong with that, right? until ryan said this. >> you know, your buddy charles murray or bob putnam over at harvard, voez gthose guys have n books on this, which is we have got this tail spin of culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work, and so there's a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with.

>> now, our friend at think progress was the first to report on the exchange, and since then, the blowback has been intense. coming most prominently from democratic house leader nancy pelosi who called it deeply ignorant, shameful, and disturbing. and from congresswoman barbara lee, who called the comments a thinly veiled racial attack. in fact, the blowback has been so substantial, ryan issued a statement to nbc news this morning. it reads in part, after reading the transcript of yesterday morning's interview, it is clear that i was inarticulate about the point i was trying to make. i was not implicating the culture of one community, but of society as a whole. we have allowed our society to isolate and quarantine the poor rather than integrate people into our communities. the predictable result has been multi-generational poverty and little opportunity. i also believe the government's response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work. a stable good-paying job is the best bridge out of poverty. and joining me now on the phone

is democratic congresswoman barbara lee from california. she serves on the house budget committee, which is chaired by congressman ryan and she was one of the first, if not the first republican to criticize him for his remarks. i understand that congressman ryan reached out to you after your criticism. what can you tell us about that call? >> it was a very good conversation. i tell you, this conversation needs to happen. we need to really realize, a lot of people just don't get it. when you talk the way he has talked, we have to remember that race is still a factor in america. we have to really understand that there's systemic and institutional bias and racism that has created a lack of opportunity for many in urban communities, and, in fact, we, a good-paying job is the way out of poverty, but as chair of the budget committee, then the chairman and i have explained this. he's got to support policies that create jobs and opportunities such as work force

training, such as education, such as not cutting food stamps. so, you know, i'm trying to explain to him and to others that this budget reflects these various out of step values and it reflects a lack of understanding of the real issues that are being faced in urban america, especially with brown and black men. >> and one of the things i think when you commented on his comments and put them in a racial context, i guess one of the reasons that a lot of people are looking at his comments askance is he did quote charles murray, the author of "the bell curve", who has pointed believes about african-americans' intellectual abilities and the causes of poverty being cultural. are those some of the reasons you were so upset by his remarks? >> well, when i saw that, i couldn't believe he would refer to charles murray. i'm going to talk to him further about this. because yes, i'm quite concerned, because that goes back to the theories of genetic

inferiority, and stuff that is so outdated, but still, you know, fans the flames of those in america who really don't want to see opportunity for all. and so we need a debate about poverty and not blame people who don't have those opportunities for living in circumstances which if we invest our tax dollars into initiatives that create jobs and opportunity, you would see people being elevated out of poverty. i raised two young african-american boys. they're phenomenal african-american men. and i have got to tell you, it was very difficult, but it was because the support was there for me to go to college, for me to -- i was on welfare, food stamps, the whole nine yards. i never would have made it, my young boys, men would never have turned out the way they have turned out had it not been for opportunities that i was able to take advantage of. those opportunities are being

eroded daily by the ryan budget. and so we have to understand while these comments i think retlektr reflect a lot of misunderstanding and ignorance, they also reflect values and perspectives that drive his budget and that is unacceptable and people need to try to educate the public, especially the republicans about what it means to live in urban america with the disinvestment and the lack of resources and the lack of priorities focused on our communities. >> and also the fact that rural poverty is actually greater than urban poverty. serving on that budget committee with congressman ryan, is this a debate that has now spilled into the open, but that you guys have been having for a while, because as you mentioned, the ryan budget and the priorities he's put forward are a lot about cutting social services, cutting back on snap, cutting back on the services that go to the nation's neediest. is this a debate you guys have been having, and what is his

answer when you present your personal story and say listen, these programs help people like me to be lifted out of poverty? what is his response? >> he says they failed. we conducted a poverty tour and had hearings on poverty and the republicans have a report on poverty and they clearly are trying to show that the war on poverty did not work. here we're 50 years into i, and believe you me, head start, food stamps, higher education act, the civil rights act. all of those subtle initiatives that created the foundation for opportunities for people like myself, they have been successful. so what chairman ryan is trying to do is debunk those initiatives through the proposal for these huge budget cuts and trying to blame the poor and trying to do what he said in his statement in terms of trying to, you know, say that it's generations of people who haven't -- men who have not seen other men working. come on, people want to work.

99.9% of people in urban communities want those opportunities to work. so we have this debate. fortunately, it's beginning. i have to just say, race has not been part of many debates here in congress because you're always accused perhaps of playing the race card. i tell you, until we have a country that stands for justice, for all we have, racial justice, economic justice, social justice for everyone. so everyone can be included in this great society and in the american dream. until that happens, we can't sweep race under the carpet. >> well, congresswoman barbara lee, you are a large part in making sure that discussion comes forward. thank you so much for joining us. >> great being with you, thank you. >> all right, thanks. now an update on that missing malaysian flight 370. the white house said today an additional search area may, that means may, be open in the indian ocean. however, six days later and the

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a suspected drunk driver could face two counts of capital murder and 23 count of aggravated assault after a crash late yesterday at austin's south by southwest festival left two dead and nearly two dozen injured. police say the suspect was fleeing police when his car slammed through a barricade and into a crowd outside a nightclub. an officer stopped him with a stun gun when he tried to run away. meanwhile, the battle over immigration is getting even more heated. on tuesday, we first brought you an exclusive report about how democrats, including the president, are facing growing pressure over immigration policy. the buzz feed reporter who broke that story is now saying the congressional hispanic caucus is beefing up a draft resolution calling on the president to suspend deportations, a move that could put the white house on a collision course with

either immigration activists or with congress. here with me now is buzz feed reporter who broke that story. adrian, let's talk about this. there was a draft resolution that apparently members of the congressional hispanic caucus were not happy with. explain. >> basically what happened was activists were calling on the caucus to become stronger on their deportation language. so what you had was congressionalist caucus members saying they thought the draft was assassinated before it even came out. now they're saying the people who would be protected in the senate bill, the bipartisan senate bill that was passed, they are saying that they should be able to, you know, basically be protected and not be deported. >> so basically halt deportations for anyone who would qualify for the senate bill, which is bill 744 and also mentions expanding the deferred action. now, the question you asked when you were on before is why go after the president. a great quote in your piece. for those of us who looked at

the house, and we knew there's no way a good bill would get through, we decided we'd have to start playing hardball with the president to put pressure on the house to act. what's the logic on that? >> i think now the idea is what's the next group that we're going to classify as saying that they're politically okay? what my source actually told me is the president will reach his political limit on deportations before he reaches his legal limit. then people will say is he a lawless president, and all those things. we actually can continue to expand deferred action. the question is who belongs in that group. people are saying the parents of citizens. should you deport the parent of a citizen child. the spouses of military members. so they're undocumented, they fall for this country, should you deport them? that's what's starting to happen. people are saying what else should be included in this group. >> this sets up a collision course with congress, who's already pushing the president and accusie ining them of not carrying out the law, when in fact it is the letter of the law. the deportations -- he is

following it. so where is the president's sort of fulcrum here? he could clash with the activists or really go hard at congress. just from your sourcing, where do you think the white house is right now? who are they more afraid of pissing off at this point? >> i think they're afraid of the activists and the latino members, that they're going to have to start listening. i think this all centers around the midterm elections. you saw senator schumer said maybe after september. and so now people are saying if nothing happens, if the house doesn't do anything, which a lot of people feel that they really aren't moving on immigration reform, then maybe do we do something, do we expand deferred action and start helping people. >> while democrats push the president to halt deportations, republicans are actually pushing legislation that could force young undocumented immigrants to leave the country. this week they passed the enforce act, authorizing congress to sue the white house for failing to enforce the law. it takes aim at the dreamers act, which allows people who came to this country as children to avoid deportation and eventually become citizens. a second bill expected to come

up for a vote today would require the attorney general to notify congress any time the white house wants to change the enforcement laws. together the two bills could have a major impact on immigration policy and joining me now to discuss is congressman john yarmuth, the gang of 8 that put together the bill last year. congressman yarmuth, describe how these two bills would impact young immigrants, particularly dreamers. >> basically what it would allow the house or the senate to do is to sue the president when he, for instance, implemented the deferred action for childhood arrivals program, which allowed children brought here as young children through no fault of their own to work and remain legally in the country. about a half million have already signed up for the daca program. there are about two million dreamers throughout the country that would be eligible. this would basically try to intimidate the president to

allowing those country to stay legally in the country. the ironic thing about this, joy, is in their principles of supporting immigration reform, the thing they were most strong about was about letting these people stay in the country and become citizens. so it's really hypocritical of them to at one point say we really want the dreamers to stay in the country and become citizens and productive residents of the united states, but on the other hand say the reason we have to do this enforce act, to actually empower us to sue the president is because of the president's action with regard to the dreamers. >> i mean, does it surprise you that given the political reality, the demographic realities facing the republican party, that republicans would do bills that in your reading of them specifically do go after dream act kids who used to be seen as the most positive target, if republicans wanted a way into immigration reform. >> it makes no sense to me politically. i think this basically just indicates what kind of disarray the republican conference is in with regard to immigration

policy. i know speaker boehner wants to do comprehensive immigration reform. people like paul ryan want to do it. we know there are a majority of votes in the house to pass comprehensive reform. but they can't get past this extreme right wing of the party and get something to the floor. but to take on and to focus on the dreamers, particularly in the committee report of the enforce act where they said this is why we have to do this, because we don't want the president doing things like allowing the dreamers to stay in the country illegally without congressional approval. but they won't pass anything. and for a year ago, we heard all these rumors about well, we're going to have our own dream act. we're going to have this way to keep the immigrant kids in the country. we haven't heard a word about it since. and they've just got to get off their seats and get something done. it will be damaging to them politically. i think it will be damaging politically in some senate races and some gubernatorial races this year if they don't act. >> last word to you, adrian. who do you think faces the bigger risk here? you have house republicans going after dreamers in a sense with

these two bills and the reading of congressman yarmuth. you have the president in a position where the caucus is demanding action. who in your reporting is facing the bigger political pushback? >> obviously you can see the president is not comfortable with what's going on with deportations right now. i think the house gop has to be very careful. now they're going at deferred action. that's a program that's been particular before and it's a slippery slope. they talk about maybe in 2015 we'll pass it, but you have to understand latino voters have long memories, so what's happening there? are they just suddenly saying that these people are working for me and they have my back, or are they feeling a little bit duped? >> absolutely. congressman john yarmuth, adrian, great reporting. thank you so much. you are looking now live at the east room of the white house where minutes from now, president obama will make a big announcement about overtime pay. it's part of the administration's push to boost americans' wages and address income inequality and we're going to take you there live when it happens. meanwhile, got a question you're burning for me to answer? i'll be taking questions tomorrow in a live google plus video chat at 3:30 eastern, and

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moments from now, the president speaking in the east room of the white house. something the president has been encouraging businesses to do on their own, but also hoping they can get congressional action on as well. not likely in most people's reading, but the president has been using what he calls his pen and phone, saying he's got a pen, he's got a phone and he's going to take as much executive action as he can until and unless congressional action kicks in. so the president today will be

proposing new rules that will allow a change in the way that people are determined to be managers or not. and that's a big change in the way that people are calculated to have overtime pay. meaning that a restaurant worker at a fast-food joint who is currently not a manager in their own mind can be classified as such when they seek overtime. that's the gist of the rules we're expecting the president to make today. the president will make that announcement. we'll also analyze what he has to say on the reader board. we are waiting for the president to make that announcement. but these rules already controversial. business groups who pushed back in a sense against the $10.10 an hour minimum wage could do the same when it came to overtime rules that would impact the way businesses have to pay their employees. for a lot of workers, it could be a lot of good news. ten million workers up to could be impacted by this change, meaning an immediate injection into their bottom line. and here with me to discuss this latest executive action, let's talk with former office depot chairman and ceo steve oddland.

do we have steve in place? one is the theories is that people need to be hired, that if employers reach strict hours to 40, you could see people not actually get a gain. that employees will just react to increasing overtime requirements by reducing people's hours. how do you react to that? >> first of all, joy, i think it's really important that we focus on having people be able to move up in pay, and that's within a generation, between generations, the whole social mobility thing is critically important. it's part of the american dream. the question is whether this approach is going to actually produce that or not. and these are the kinds of things that economists are debating. so with these new rules, the question is, you know, will that pass through. and the answer is probably yes, it's going to help the people that are affected by this, but the question is whether it's going to be offset by changes elsewhere. so in a company when you have

these increases in costs, you have to find some other balance in order to offset the cost, because people want the stocks to go up in their 401ks, people want their pension plans to go up, so companies need to then continue to produce the bottom line growth, while absorbing these costs. typically, what happens is they go to other forms of labor cost to cut it, so they'll reduce hours elsewhere or they'll reduce other jobs in order to offset the pay. so while there will be certainly some winners if this rule goes through, and, by the way, this rule is going to take some time, it's going to take over a year probably through the comment period and so forth to go through, but it's going to take some time. but it will help some people. the question is whether companies will actually affect the pay negatively, and other places and whether the balance net will come out to be a positive. >> okay. i want to bring in the vice president of policy and research. i mean, that is the question, right? will businesses simply react to a change in the overtime rules by cutting back hours, reducing the number of people who are

managers and finding other ways around this. >> so i don't see how a worker can really lose under these new rules, because the reality is if you're working more than 40 hours a week and you're not an executive and you're not really calling the shots, what this says is you now actually have to be paid for those extra hours. so if a company decides that instead of having one person do the job of two people they need to have two people do the job, then a jobless worker has a new opportunity. >> all right, well, we see the president now going up to the podium. he is about to make this announcement. widely anticipated. labor groups very excited about the idea. let's listen to the president. i think he is beginning his remarks. >> welcome to the white house. before i get started, i just want to acknowledge somebody who is working so hard on behalf of america's workers each and every day. our outstanding secretary of labor tom perez. [ applause ]

tom must have brought some of his family with him. [ laughter ] we've got a lot of honored guests here. we've got middle class workers who rely on overtime pay. we've got business owners who believe in treating their employees right. both because it's the right thing to do, but also because it's good business. and thanks to the hard work and resilience of americans like the ones who are here today, our economy has been growing for a number of years now. our businesses have created more than 8.5 million new jobs over the last four years. the unemployment rate is at the lowest it's been in over five years. but in many ways, the trends that have really battered middle class families for decades have gotten worse, not better. those at the top doing better

than ever, but for the average family, wages have barely budged and too many americans are working harder and harder just to get by. so we've got to reverse those trends. we've got to build an economy that works for everybody, not just for a few. and we've got to restore the basic notion of opportunity that is at the heart of the american experience. opportunity for everyone. the belief that here in america, it doesn't matter where you started, if you are willing to work hard and act responsibly, you've got a chance to get ahead. so, at my state of the union at the beginning of the year, i laid out an opportunity ayen ge to give more americans a chance to succeed. more jobs that pay good wages. number two, making sure that we're training more americans with the skills that are needed to fill those jobs.

number three, making sure every child in america gets a world class education. and number four, which is what i'm going to be focusing on today, making sure that our economy rewards the hard work of every american. now, making work pay means making sure women earn equal pay for equal work. [ applause ] it means giving women the chance to have a baby without sacrificing jobs or a day off to care for a sick child or parent without worrying about making ends meet. it means making sure every american has access to quality affordable health care that's there when you need it, so if there's somebody out there that you know of that doesn't have health insurance, make sure they go on healthcare.gov before march 31st. that's a priority.

and it means wages and paychecks that help to support a family. profitable corporations like costco see paying higher wages as way to reduce turnover and boost productivity. i've asked business owners to do what they can to give their employee a raise. some of you saw i was at the gap yesterday the day before yesterday in manhattan. and fortunately malia and sasha like the sweaters i bought. but part of what i wanted to highlight was the fact that on its own, the gap decided to give a raise to 64,000 employees across the country. i've now called on congress to give america a raise by raising the minimum wage to $10.10. [ applause ]

and this year of action, while congress decides what it's going to do, whether it's going to do anything about this issue, and i hope that it does, and i know democrats are pushing hard to get minimum wage legislation passed, i'm going to do what i can on my own to raise wages for more hard working americans. so a few weeks ago, i sign an executive order requiring federal contractors to pay their employees a fair wage of at least $10.10. today i'm going to use my pen to give more americans a chance to earn the overtime pay that they deserve. now, overtime is a pretty simple idea. if you have to work more, you should get paid more. and if you want to know why it's so important, just ask some of the folks here who are behind me. nancy miner works at an oil refinery in pennsylvania. nancy, raise your hand. there you go. yeah, give nancy a big round of

applause. [ applause ] so for the last 16 years, nancy has been a single mom raising and educating four kids on her own and that is not easy, as you might imagine. she's been able to do it, though, thanks in part to her overtime pay. for more than 75 years, the 40-hour workweek and the overtime that has come with it have helped countless workers like nancy get ahead. it means that when she's asked to make significant sacrifices on behalf of her company, which she's happy to do, they're also looking out for her recognizing that that puts a strain on her family and having to get a babysitter and all kinds of things, adjustments that she has to make. it's just fair. just the right thing to do. fortunately today, millions of americans aren't getting the extra pay they deserve. that's because an exception that was originally meant for

high-paid white-collar employees now covers workers earning as little as $23,660 a year. if you're making $23,000, typically you're not high in management. right? your salary is a dollar above the current threshold, you may not be guaranteed overtime. it doesn't matter what you do is mostly physical work like stocking shelves. it doesn't matter if you're working 50 or 60 or 70 hours a week. your employee doesn't have to pay you a single extra dime. and i think that's wrong. impossible for salaried workers to be paid less than the minimum wage. business owners who treat their employees fairly can be undercut by competitors who aren't treating their employees right. if you're working hard, you're

barely making ends meet, you should be paid overtime, period. because working americans have struggled through stagnant wages for too long. every day, i get letters from folks who just feel like they're treading water, no matter how hard they're working, they're putting in long hours, they're working harder and harder just to get by. but it's always at the end of the months real tight. workers like the ones with me today, they want to work hard. they don't expect a free lunch. they don't expect to be fabulously wealthy. they just want a chance to get ahead. i'm director tom perez, my secretary of labor, to restore the common sense principle behind overtime. if you go above and beyond to help your employer and your economy succeed, then you should share a little bit in that success. and this is going to make a real difference in the lives of millions of americans, from

managers and fast-food in retail, to office workers, cargo inspectors. and we're going to do this the right way. we're going to consult with both workers and businesses as we update our overtime rules. we're going to work to simplify the system so it's easier for employers and employees alike. with any kind of change like this, not everybody's going to be happy. but americans have spent too long working more and getting less in return. so wherever and whenever i can make sure that our economy rewards hard work and responsibility, that it makes sure it is treating fairly the workers who are out there building this economy every day. that's what i'm going to do. what every american wants is a paycheck that lets them support their families, experience a little bit of economic security, pass down some hope and optimism to their kids. that's what we're going to be fighting for. that's what i'm going to be fighting for as long as i'm president of the united states.

and with that, i'm going to sign this memo and i want to thank everybody for being here, especially the folks standing behind me. >> got to make sure i use every pen. there you go. [ applause ]

>> all right, calling it part of a four-pronged effort to attack the issues of jobs, skills, and making work pay, the president signing an executive work order that will essentially change the formula for a way that will determine who is a manager, affecting overtime pay for potentially millions of americans, and the president saying that under current law, salaried workers could theoretically get paid less than the minimum wage because of the way overtime rules are construed and because of the way it is calculated who is a manager and who is not. let me go to steve odland to get your reaction. >> i think this is a very consistent move on the president's part. he's been very concerned about the state of the pay in america and social mobility. and i think it's a great objective. the question, again, is what's really going to happen here in practice. they'll submit this for rule making. they'll have comments and say he's consulting with both sides.

this will probably take a year. so nobody should look for this to happen any time soon. but i think in the end, the question is what flexibility do businesses have. where will the money come from and that's always the key thing in a business because you've got to make the bottom line continue to grow for your owners, your shareholders, the pension funds. >> i'll push back a tiny bit, because for a business like a fast-food business, like mcdonald's, the money would come from the incredible profits, wouldn't it, that these businesses are already reaping from essentially low wage work, particularly when you cannot pay overtime because somebody is classified as a manager. >> the profits go to the shareholders, so the shareholders are the pension funds and so forth. so if you reduce the profits, they're not going to be happy. you're solving a math problem here. if they cover it by automating more things in the store, which takes jobs out, or by going to more part-time labor versus full-time labor, they end up helping a certain set of people, but hurting another set.

and that's what i was saying before. it depends on how you solve for this. >> isn't that the issue? we are back to the issue of pitting shareholders against workers. >> uh-huh. i know. i used to think that profits actually -- some of them went to workers who helped make those profits. that's how far away we've gotten in this country, from basic labor standards. i hear what he's saying, but at the same time, it's time that we balance the needs of employers and employees. and for the last three decades, we sort of overlooked the workers who make this country run and make these companies run. you know, overtime protection, we sort of forget how important it is. it is fundamental to protecting the sanctitity of a 40-hour workweek. that's what it does. if you work more than that, you get paid overtime. it's fundamental. >> a lot of ceos making a lot of money. but i really appreciate your

thoughts, steve odland, as well as tamara drop. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. coming up, one year ago, a cardinal from argentina became pope francis. coming up, how the new pope has energized the faithful and shaken up the vatican. plus, a look at the challenges that still lay ahead. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule.

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in one of his first acts as pope francis stunned catholic traditionalists by kissing the feet of young male and female parishioners in rome. he said, who am i to judge when asked his opinion about homosexuality, seeming to open the door to a more tolerant church. there was this selfie shown around the world. and this little boy who wandered to the stage. so cute. >> a security guard tries to get didier to leave by offering him a piece of candy. he takes the candy, and goes to hug the pope instead. the pope never misses a beat, even when didier sits down, helping himself to the pope's seat. >> it's moments like that that have made pope francis a true rock star, especially among american catholics.

pope francis refuses to embrace his rock star status, telling an italian newspaper earlier this month to paint the pope as some sort of superman, a star is offensive. >> he'd like people to pay attention to what he's saying. >> joining me now, li na ruly, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> this guy has revolutionized the view of the pope. he's on twitter at pontiff x. he's got 12 million followers already. this morning, he tweeted on the first anniversary of his election, please pray for me, the humble bragging. just everything about him is different. >> he might not be the pope anymore if he said hello, how about four persons in the holy trinity? just bad at math. the pope's job is not to change

church teaching, but perhaps to present it in a brand-new way. he comes out, he's staring at the crowds. you didn't expect this with the man. >> he's so tactile with people. i think with the didier thing and hugging people who were ill. he seems to really want to touch his parishioners. is that why he's this way. >> i think it's because he's from south america. this pope was a bouncer at a bar. he loves soccer. he is a jesuit. that's a religious order. i think a lot of what we see in terms of his humility, simplicity of life, these sort of qualities you can define as a christian, hopefully, but also very much rooted in him being a jesuit. >> you say he's not there to change the teachings of the church but he has signaled a lot

more openness and ridge rigidit. could you foresee a day under this pope's papacy where those things actually change within the church? the practices or the believes? >> there's no church teaching from 300 years ago on this topic. what the pope is doing more than anything, is he's having a conversation. in a sense, he's saying i get where people are at. the church needs to meet people where they're at first of all. to say yes, in a sense, i'm pope, but poping ain't easy. i need help in making sure that nobody feels disenfranchised by the church, who should love all humanity. >> there's an open invitation to him if he wants to speak to congress. we have seen things like threats to withhold sack -- sacrements.

could you foresee this impacting the politics of the catholic church in the u.s.? >> it has. it will continue to do so, because he is challenging -- you know, he challenges every label as a liberal, as a conservative. i think he's just catholic. you can say what does it look like to be a catholic liberal conservative? if everybody wants to be catholic, how do you follow the pope? you just can't put a label on him. that's really healthy. there's no place i am in new york city or in the country where people go can you get the pope to come over for a drink, for a dance? >> everybody wants to have a beer with pope francis. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> all right, great. and reading between the lines. paul ryan and his literary hero. a return to 19th century america. i've got a different destination for their time machine that will be far better for all of us. more than two million members

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in february of 1960, philosopher ian rand delivered a yale lecture saying if you want to prove to yourself the power of ideas and particularly of morality, the intellectual history of the 19th century would be good to study. when we had civil war and privately run aid societies and tax funded poor houses were how america dealt with the destitute. that was the ideal period in american history, according to ian rand, who added, never mind the low wages and harsh living conditions of the early years of capitalism. capitalism did not create poverty, it inherited it. it's true that the 19th century capitalism did not create poverty, but it didn't end it either. instead it was the mid 20th century, the period economists

called the great compression, from the new deal through the late 1970s which saw the biggest expansion of the middle class. when unions set a floor under wages and government set a floor under want. instituting things like child labor laws, the 40-hour workweek and the minimum wage. when the notion that if you pay workers more, they can afford to buy more. and that means businesses make more and hire more. that did more to end poverty than anything ian rand thought up. repealing that government backed floor. repealing the 20th century, flawed, because african-americans remained deliberately locked out, has become the project of ian rand disciples on the right. their argument is that what really creates poverty is culture. when ryan spoke about a cultural tail spin of inner city men who are not even thinking about learning the value of work, he cited charles murray. the social scientist who believes african-americans are genetically inferior intellectually and that poor

people are basically born lazy. ryan has said he misspoke and he pivoted to rural poverty, which turns out to be worse than urban poverty, especially in the south. but even the broader point that government intervention exacerbates poverty by feeding the pathologies of people who by nature or conditioning lack the superior intellect and drive that makes rich people successful, even when their wealth is inherited, is problematic. you can't argue that the answer to poverty is work, but refuse to address the lack of good-paying jobs, ongoing racial and gender discrimination in hiring, and deficits in education. all of which feed joblessness and hopelessness. to paraphrase ian rand, culture didn't cause poverty, it inherited it. and that wraps up things for "the reid report." i'll see you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern and be sure to visit us online. "the cycle" is up next. what you got going on today? >> hey, joy. we've got a busy show.

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