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journal" report. >> the plane may have traveled an additional 2,200 miles. >> the indian ocean. that's a vast area. >> about as large as the caribbean. >> we could be in a situation where we simply wait for something to wash ashore. >> "the wall street journal" is reporting up against the malaysian government. >> we've been confused by information that comes out of malaysia contradicted later. >> malaysian officials -- >> so all over the map. >> why wasn't this transponder working? >> questions without answers. >> was it turned off? >> one of the most bizarre news stories. >> it would be easier to win the lottery several times over than lose complete power in the cockpit. >> we are still unsure about what direction the plane was headed. >> it seems to the outside observer like we're back at square one. >> six days after the last contact in massive boeing 777 airliner, a baffling story gets
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more bewildering. if it is possible to be even further from square one than when you began, that is where we are right now. in the latest development the u.s. military is moving its destroyer, the "uss kidd," into the straight of malacca, hundreds of miles west of flight 370's last contact so, that ship may continue the so-far fruitless search. the pentagon tells nbc news the move comes at the request of the malaysian government and is not based on any conclusive information about the plane's whereabouts. but it is one key indicator that searchers are turning away from waters east of malaysia where crews have been looking for near lay week. hours ago the white house indicated that the search may expand even wider. >> it's my understanding that based on some new information that's not necessarily conclusive but new information an additional search area may be opened in the indian ocean and we are consulting with international partners about the appropriate assets to deploy. >> as to why the search is widening, perhaps into the vast
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indian ocean, there is, yes, confusion. malaysian authorities are denying reports in "the wall street journal" that the missing jet flew for several more hours after its last contact with ground control which was at 1:08 a.m. local time on sunday. according to the journal, those reports were initially from data retrieved from the plane's engines, but moments ago, momentings ago "the wall street journal" issued a correction to that report saying the information came not from the plane's engines made by rolls-royce but from a satellite. according to "the wall street journal," this information based on satellite data is from a senior official familiar with the investigation. so it enters the haze of uncertainty that's enshrouded this entire mystery. joining me from kuala lumpur is kir simmons. >> hey, alex. after a news conference here
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help by the malaysian government we were frankly left more confused than other. we bebe gan the day with reports in "the wall street journal" that suggested u.s. security officials were looking at evidence that showed that the plane flew for five hours, four hours longer than it dropped off the radar. but then today the malaysians, the transport minister and the ceo of malaysia airlines, said that report was inaccurate and said that the last time the plane had been heard from in any way was just after 1:00 a.m. now we have the reports that the "uss kit" is being sbhooufd the indian ocean, suggesting the u.s. does believe that is the possibility that the plane traveled that far and kept going if you like past malaysia and travelled all the way to the indian ocean. so a really confusing picture really because no one clearly knows what happened. stuck in the middle of all this is of course the families who
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are waiting for news. we spoke to one father of a 29-year-old whose son was on the plane. he was as you can imagine really cut up. his family didn't even want to speak because they were so emotional. he said he is resigned to hearing bad news, that he fully expects that, but that he, you know, just wants to know what happened. >> keir simmons, thank you. joining me is tom houder. breaking news, "the wall street journal" issuing a correction to a controversial story apparently that it printed this morning saying it had engine data that showed that the plane could have flown for several more hours. "the journal" has issued a correction saying that data came from the boeing 777's satellite communications link.
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was there another link from air traffic control to this plane that we don't know about? >> the only one i don't know about is the a-car system. i'm not sure what satellite source they're referring to. >> the ultimate story, that the plane could have flown for several more hours, in your expert opinion, how is it we are only learning this now and does it confound you that the malaysian government seems to even be questioning that nugget of information? >> if you look at their press same, they said the analysis done, they've now take an look and they're expanding the search area based on examination of the radar data. i think what we're seeing now is response to the valuation of the radar data not so much other information that's still
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speculative in my opinion. >> where is air traffic controls? what is malaysian air traffic control's responsibility in all of this if the plane was in the air for four or five more hours? >> it depends. obviously there's military traffic control, civilian air traffic control, data from different sources. at some point you have to take all the radar from multiple sites, get it all together and all timed over the same time and worked out for differences in geography so you know you have one data center you're looking at. that takes time. once you have that, then you have an accurate prediction of you know where the transponder ended and now you can look at all these different primary radar points and predict where the airplane went.
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>> there are two central questions here, tom, one what we've been discussing which is where is the plane, then the question of what happened. given what we know at this moment, do you have a theory or do you think the facts point in any direction as to what may have gone wrong on this flight? >> no. i wouldn't want to speculate. we don't have enough information. we know the airplane got to a point, the transponder ended, then the airplane from what appears to be now went a different direction. why that happened there's many possible scenarios but i won't add to speculation. >> what about the ntsb's role? we know they're cooperating/coordinating with malaysian authorities. does that meaningfully change this investigation? >> the ntsb has a huge amount of experience investigating accidents, doing radar data analysis, a variety of things. having a complete team of ntsb, faa, boeing, rolls-royce, the malaysians all together working over all the bits and pieces i think we'll see more progress
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now. the ntsb's only been on the ground there for about 2 navidehs. it does take time. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. after the break, congressional witch-hunter darrell issa committed a fatal error last wednesday. what have it? luke russert and howard fineman join me to discuss just ahead. first white house tries to de-escalate tensions in the senate cia battle over bush-rather torture. sam stein joins me. [ female announcer ] what's a powerful way to cut through everyday greasy messes? [ male announcer ] sponges take your mark. ♪ [ female announcer ] one drop of ultra dawn has twice the everyday grease cleaning ingredients of one drop of the leading non-concentrated brand... ♪ [ crowd cheering ] ...to clean 2x more greasy dishes.
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de-escalate. that is what the white house would like to see happen in the feud between the cia and the senate intelligence committee.
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according to nbc news, that was the message both white house chief of staff dennis mcdonough and white house counsel kathy rum ler brought to senator dianne feinstein when they paid her a visit after her 45-minute denunciation of the cia on tuesday. but on this issue one of serious al gigss against the cia and what appears to be a cover-up of its dark deeds over the last decades, what the white house wants is not necessarily what it's going to get. especially given the white house's own involvement in the dispute. yesterday press secretary jay carney admitted that the cia had given the white house a heads up shortly before this cia planned to file a criminal inquiry with the justice department against staff on the senate intelligence committee. a criminal inquiry that senator feinstein said was potential effort to intimidate her senate staff. those are the people tasked with determining the results of the cia's enhanced interrogation program under president george w. bush.
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the white house involvement doesn't stop there. today mcclatchy reports for the past five years the administration has been withholding over 9,000 documents that the intelligence committee requested as a part of its review. the white house told mcklatchey those documents were "sed aside" because they raised executive branch confidentiality interests. it is unclear what those interests are. this afternoon white house press secretary jay carney defended the withholding of these 9,000 documents and usualed the senate to complete their report without them. >> throughout this process the administration has facilitated unprecedented access to more than 6 million pages of records. as we have discussed with the committee, during the course of the review a small percentage, very small percentage of the total number of documents have been set aside because they raise executive branch confidentiality interest as it is very much our view that this very small percentage of documents from the 6
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million-plus pages that have been provided would not or should not delay the completion of the committee's report. >> joining me now is the political editor and white house correspondent at "the huffington post" sam stein and nbc's casey hunt. sam, what do we make of the mcclatchey report today, that the white house is not invoking or using executive privilege to officially withhold 9,400 documentings but not exactly giving them up either? how much does this complicate their position in the standoff? >> let me start with a disclosure. my wife works if for white house counsel's office. as for the question at hand, i think it complicates their position. obviously they want to move the as quickly off the board out of discussion as possible. this has been a reoccurring theme with president obama. remember when he took office his standard line when asked about investigating whether torture did take place under president bush was he would rather look
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forward than relitigate the past. so for this white house to stand by and say we don't want to produce these documents, they involve executive overview and executive privilege, it's sort of a continuation of that line, saying rather than look back, let's just basically ignore what's out there. i grant that what jay carney said, that they have turned over lot of documents, but until they are completely forth coming there will be lingering questions about to what extent do we fully know what happened during the bush years at the hands of the cia. that will continue regardless of this senate report. >> i think it's also weird that they're not invoking or exercising executive privilege, only done that once and that was related i believe to prevent documents that pertained to darrell issa's fast and furious investigation from releasing those documents to congress. by invoking executive privilege you make it a news item and this seems like deliberate effort on
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the part of the white house to keep these documents secret but not actually let anybody know they're keeping them secret. >> that's probably a fair reading. i wish i was a lawyer and had a better understanding of exactly what it entails to invoke executive privilege. but i think you hit the nail on the head which is that, again, they would like nothing more than to have this issue past them. that was the standard line in 2009 when it was continue assistantly asked whether they would support patrick leahy's truth and reconciliation committee, the standard line when attorney general holder dispatched a deputy to basically investigate whether criminal activity took place. and that's the standard line today. what's interesting is that the senate documents are going to go forward with this report, we don't know when it's going to come out, and it's going to be comprehensive but we' always wonder what is missing from this report because the white house will not be forth coming with those documents. >> the senate report, there is a question of when that is going to get declassified. what is the momentum on capitol hill as far as declassifying these 6,400-page senate
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intelligence committee's report? >> i think it's still a question of if, not a question of when. there's still some hurdles that need to be crossed. this will first a vote in the senate intelligence committee. they're not talking about declassifying all 6,300-plus pages of this interrogation report. they're just talking about the 300-page executive summary. even if the committee does vote to declassify that section of the report, there are some questions about the process of how that would work that would then dictate how long it could take. but there's a process after that that involves going through the intelligence community and dealing with redactions and what absolutely must stay classified and what can become public. we're in for a still knockdown, drag-out fight over whether or not this is going to become public. >> can i just add i think by going public the way that senator feinstein did, it is now almost improbable to see them
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not declassifying at least a portion of this report at some point in time. she put her chips in the middle, said i have a lot of the goods. if she were to turn around and say we can't let this report see the light of the day it would disappoint a lot of people. >> kasie, what of the standoff between the cia and congress? there's now talk -- senator mccain yesterday suggests there needs to be an independent investigative committee to investigate the investigation of the investigation, literally like three investigations, like six-layered taco dip, whatever you want to call it of investigative committees to investigate other investigations. is that actually going to happen? that seems like a classic washington punt. gift to a group of quote, unquote, experts to look at and years later they maybe come up with a finding or not. >> that's what happened with the church committee. the last time the intelligence community was faced with a crisis of oversight. so i think there is precedent for an outside investigation.
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>> and the church committee had some important findings. but isn't that really what the senate intelligence committee has spent the last five years trying to do? >> well, exactly. it's what it was designed to be. now what mccain was suggesting is there seemed to be differences of opinion about the set of facts that have taken us to this point and it's very clear that feinstein believes that the cia are the group that, you know, acted improperly. the cia is alleging that the senate intelligence committee acted in a criminal manner. at this point it's up to the justice department to decide that. but to sam's point, i mean, senator feinstein is not someone who has been historically at odds with the intelligence community. if anything, she's been a defender at times of some of the controversial programs when they were actually ongoing. for it to be her that is standing up and taking this stand, that's why i think you're seeing the white house react so carefully almost. they are not throwing bombs here. they are trying to sort of send
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feelers to the hill. >> de-escalate. my favorite term of this week. go ahead, kasie. >> it's because it's feinstein, because she is such a credible messenger on this, that to have her go to war with john brennan publicly is something that's a potentially huge problem for them. >> sam, you talked about the white house and the playbook they've been using, which is we're not going to plum the depths of the bush era torture program. we are going to move past it into the next chapter of american history. and tim weiner, a former "new york times" national security correspondent and has written books on the cia has a fair point today in politico. "the cia says it wants to turn the page on this unpublished chatter. you can't turn the page if you haven't read it. print the report, take the testimony, and let some light dispel this darkness." >> yes. obama risks a real backlash. and he has by sort of avoiding
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this issue. their argument, the administration's argument, has been to the extent that it's made is these people who are operating for the cia were operating under a set of rules outlined by them or for them by the justice department of the bush administration. as long as they operated within those rules they shouldn't be punished because they were told by their superiors what they were doing was legal. fine. the position that eric holder made was why don't we look for the people who went beyond those rules, did things that weren't even authorized by the bush department of justice and see if there's criminal activity that happened there. there were cases they found criminal activity but they didn't prosecute these people saying there wasn't enough to go on. now you have this unsatisfactory situation in which basically the president said everything that happened prior to me was condemnable but not prosecutable but the justice department hasn't gone forward with prosecutions. then you have this report that's kind of lingering out there that everyone is waiting to see what it contains. so there are a lot of balls in the air and there is the
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potential for backlash if the president doesn't move forcefully on this. >> kasie, before we wrap the segment, some of that bash lash may or may not involve john brennan. how much of an appetite is there on capitol hill for some form of punishment or perhaps resignation from the cia director? >> that's what i was going to point out. john brennan is in some ways -- he's an interested party, right? he's been very involved in this interrogation program sort of all the way along. while you are not yet seeing loud calls from the hill for him to step aside, i mean, it's certainly something that's been raised as a possibility and has to be sort of considered in this broader sense. >> well, it is an ongoing -- it is a story, the chapters being written, the pages being turned and turned back. sam stein and kasie hunt, thanks for your time. >> thanks, alex. >> maf the break, what do you do if you're a republican governor caught in a blue state re-election dogfight? if you're scott walker you do
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remember last week's flare-up between darrell issa and e elijah cummings? after former irs official lois lerner pleaded the fifth, issa abruptly adjourned the hearing, cutting off the ranking member's microphone to prevent him from asking a question.
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because this is darrell issa that we are talking about he then took to the airwaves to defend himself. >> the fact is that i did things according to the rules. i followed a script. then mr. cummings decided to have quite a hissy fit. >> when it became clear to mr. issa that he may not have done things according to the rules he apologized to mr. cummings who accepted his apology. today that whole i did things according to the rules defense seems even shakier. in a letter to house speaker john boehner last night congressman cummings backed by two constitutional law experts charged that amid all the confusion issa committed a fatal procedural error and failed to meet the prerequisites required by the supreme court to hold a witness in contempt. holding lois lerner in contempt of congress has literally been the whole point of darrell issa charade for the past few months. it is the thing that darrell
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issa has been angling to get out of this colossal waste of money and resources and time. so is darrell issa going to let something incidental, something trivial like a supreme court ruling stop him from trying to hold lois lerner in contempt of congress? absolutely not. after ten months of congressional inquiry, over 15 hearings, 400,000 documents which resulted in 255 irs employees spending 97,000 hours, 97,000 hours responding to congressional investigations all at a whopping cost of $14 million from the taxpayers, darrell issa will proceed. in a statement delivered near midnight last night, issa's office responded to cummings' letter saying "this is analysis slised on a partisan basis is deeply flawed and at odds with the house's own expert legal counsel to the committee." today house speaker john
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boehner, surprise, agreed. in an exchange with our own luke russert speaker boehner signalled the house will likely vote to hold lerner in contempt of congress. just don't ask him to reveal the legal basis on which the house is constitutionally allowed to take this vote anytime soon. >> i am the -- i and a the house counsel reject the premise of the letter. i've made clear ms. lerner should testify or be held in contempt. >> will the house counsel be made available to express his or her opinion? >> you'll have to ask the appropriate people. >> you're the appropriate person, though. they work for you. >> i am sure that we this see an opinion at some point. >> joining me is nbc capitol hill correspondent luke russert and editorial director at "the huffington post" media group hi howard fineman. luke, you are the boehner whisperer. i found the facial expression at the end of that exchange to say it all. sort of like, oh, you're asking
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for the legal basis for counsel's opinion? ha, ha, ha. you know, don't hold your breath. effectively is what that sounded like to me. how about you? there certainly is an element of that. i also think john boehner understands what this is all about. that the reason why this is moving forward is more so than not really political. darrell issa wants to have the this contempt vote regarding lois lerner. what's interesting is after talking with folks on the committee, lois lerner, what happens given more time, perhaps a week, was essentially to testify if granted immunity and if darrell issa does, in fact, believe this is a wide-scale fraudulent operation being run at the irs directly tied to the white house going after these republican-leaning groups, then why not offer someone like lois lerner, who's a low-level employee, this immunity and go all the way to the white house and get them? but the fact of the matter is this has taken on a very political tone, it's something
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that feeds the base, the red meat that they have like sod much, and they're going to move forward on this contempt vote more likely than not, possibly as early as two weeks. and boehner, interestingly enough, alex, he sort of put the brakes on this when darrell issa had that exchange with elijah cummings a few weeks back, realizing the optics were not so good. since that cooled down a bit, the optics are better and they'll say this is the imperial presidency run amok and what that's what they want to play up in 2014. >> howard, is that not ripe with irony? this is the imperial presidency but we house republicans will ignore supreme court precedent and the rules governing holding someone in contempt of congress and march forward through the night on our partisan witch-hunt. >> i think luke has it exactly right. this whole scenario feeds into the distrust and the anger and the motivation that the tea party grassroots of the republican party. they work best when they feel oppressed and there's nothing like the letters irs to make
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them feel oppressed. and they can wave that flag around and they're doing it throughout the country to raise money, to get volunteers, to work at the grassroots of conservative republican campaigns around the country. that's really what this is about. i think luke and his sources made another really great point about lois lerner. if there is something that reaches back to the white house i agree, she's the one who should be given immunity if she's really willing to talk. sure, the committee sours disagree with how willing she really was, but they should have called her on that. and that might have actually produced something useful. we tend to forget that there were some serious issues at the start of this thing, many of which have been addressed anded a migs that have been made, let's get that move forward rather than create a situation here where the administration's response is going to be to impose an entire new set of regulations on all c-4 groups across the spectrum and really
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threaten free speech everywhere? >> you know, luke, i wonder, you mentioned that boehner put the brakes on the darrell issa forward movement after his exchange with elijah cummings. how much support does darrell issa have in the republican caucus at this point? there's a question of whether he will retain his chairmanship of the house oversight and government reform committee. he said on record in an interview with politico last week i've made no bones about it. i would certainly think that i might be been appropriate candidate for just two more years to finish up with continue tu noou ti the obama administration. pretty clearly spelling out here that this dude is here specifically to target the white house. but i digress. there's been some rumormongering that jason chafeits might take it over. how in danger is he of losing his spot? >> interesting question and i don't think this will be a shock but darrell issa while he's
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certainly respected bay lot of members they're not rushing to go have thanksgiving or christmas dinner with him within the house gop conference. as opposed to whether or not he'll hold on to his chairmanship, obviously he'd have to request the waive because he would have the four-year period and he was ranking member prior so that would be full six years instituted under the gingrich laws. it's interesting whether or not it would happen. but i suspect from where we sit now maybe he doesn't get it again and what does that mean for darrell issa? would he stay in congress after that? fair question. >> i agree with luke there. i was surveying some sources of mine this afternoon on this question around the gop leadership in the house. and the signal i got or the tone that i got was there's no way he's going to continue. so maybe one of the reasons he's so urgent at this point is he knows he's got his last at-bats coming up here. >> howard i don't mean to be too
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grand yoes about this -- >> oh, go ahead. >> but i like doing that. darrell issa held the attorney general in contempt of congress. i feel like this is part of this page from the republican playbook to take sort of procedure and use it to gum up the government works. he's certainly done that in terps of wasting an inordinate amount of time and money on this investigation which has really turned up nothing as far as i can tell from all the reporting. but it's also throwing around this contempt of congress thing. it's almost like the new filibuster. let's find a way to malign government, the people that work in it, to waste time focusing on all these sort of -- the bad pars of it. and in so doing actually make government less efficient and functional. >> yeah, well the key word is contempt. it's not only contempt of congress, it's sort of contempt in general. i think you're absolutely right. by the way, as grave sounding as that is, in order to have a --
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that result in anybody being compelled to testify or face jail or whatever, in other words, the real consequences of that, you have to go to the justice department. you know, you're not going to have john boehner and his bailiff coming down and clapping irons on lois lerner. it doesn't work that way. so in many ways it's kind of a showy thing that in the past i think congress has wanted to avoid for precisely that reason. you don't want to threaten something when you really can't do anything about it. it used to be rarely used and sort of grave as a matter of public shaming. but it doesn't have any -- the irony is it doesn't have any impact anymore as the republicans use it with the public at large. it just has impact with the people at the grassroots they're really focusing on in hoping to turn out in an wiese low turnout midterm election, hello, look at florida '13. >> alex, i just want to jump in on that point. if we take this literally, what
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happens next, assume that lois lerner is held in contempt of congress. she now has this legal vacuum by constitutional scholars saying the reason why she's held in contempt is flawed on a technicality. then it goes to a federal judge who makes a ruling on whether or not she pled the fifth, whether or not there is a constitutional right for this to cur. it would cost millions of taxpayer dollars and continues this saga for what the question must be asked, to have this on the house floor and be able to sell some commercials? interesting to see how we progress to this point. >>ly remind everybody watching this segment ten months of congressional inquiries, 15 hearings, 400,000 documents, 255 irs employees spending 97,000 hours responding to congressional investigations. you can thank chairman darrell issa. luke russert and howard fineman, thanks for your time. >> quick tease, you might hear from some house democrat prs the
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floor about this many the next hour. >> that is a tease. thanks, luke. coming up, new poll numbers show scott walker in a dead heat with his democratic challenger. what's his next move? change the rules. that's ahead. first, new hope for extending long-term unemployment insurance. [ female announcer ] we lowered her fever. you raise her spirits. we tackled your shoulder pain. you make him rookie of the year. we took care of your cold symptoms. you take him on an adventure. tylenol® has been the number 1 doctor recommended brand of pain reliever for over 20 years. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. tylenol®.
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♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc works with you to understand yours and help plan for your retirement. visit a branch or call now for your personal retirement review. the senate has reached a bipartisan agreement on extending long-term unemployment insurance for five months. joining me is ode kel -- kelly o'donnell. give us a sense of the outline of this deal and how democrats got republicans on board. >> deal is one of the most potent words around here so this
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was a real bulletin this afternoon, alex. what it really means is that senators who have been working on this issue of extending the federal jobless benefits for those people who have been out of work the longest for a period of time that has been part of the negotiation. in this instance they're talking about extending it for five months and making it rhett are r -- retroactive so people whose checks stopped at the end of december will be able to receive these insurance ben if i wants for the time that's passed, a real boost for families that have been hardest hit, and there are five democrats and five republican who is reached this deal. what attracted the republicans to come along from senators that i've talked to is that it is fully paid for. what that means is they found room in the budget to come up with enough money to cover the cost of this. part of the way they did it is not all that user friendly to explain, including something called pension smoothing, also deals with an issue of being able for single employers to prepay some pension benefits,
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some working with the numbers to make that work. also easier to understand no one who's earned a million dollars as their paycheck and then lose their job can receive these benefits. that's a little easier to grasp and easier to sell politically. talking to members of congress in the last few months, knowing that this issue has been hanging and has caused really a lot of stress for them to try to figure it out and obviously for the real people affected by this, finding a way to overcome republican resistance on the issue of paying for it has been at the core of this. so this is a deal announced by ten senators. it still has to go through the process of a vote and in talking to people who sort of run the calendar here because they are about to go on a one-week recess, look for this vote to actually occur later this month. but again retroactive so once it is passed, presuming that support exists, it does meet the 60-vote threshold and finally gets its way into law, the money would then cover the time that has gone by. the calendar issue isn't as
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critical under those terms. >> from the readout i'm getting the five republican senators who are supporting this deal, rob portman, lisa murkowski, susan collins, dean howard, mark kirk, that is welcome news i think to the 1.3 million, i believe it's gone up to 1.8 million american whose long-term unemployment assistance has expired. what happens in the house where things seem decidedly less predictable even if there are pay-fors or offsets? >> that pay-forth thing is really the best-selling tool. of course there are a substantial number of democrats who would vote for this. so it could be carried by the democrats with a small number of republicans. it has all been about the discussion of how do you pay for it. republicans say they understand the urgent need. there has been a real philosophical difference about whether this is an emergency, therefore not needing to cover the cost of what this outlay would mean for the government so that philosophical hurdle has been overcome based on this
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senate deal. but we can't predict the house from only the senate but this is a very positive sign and certainly dean heller, the republican of nevada, who is a co-sponsor with jack reed of rhode island, nevada has been so hard hit, then you have both ohio senators, one republican, one democrat, among this group of ten. so you've got a broad section of people who can help to sell it on the other side as well. alex? >> we love positive signs. thank you. nbc's kelly o'donnell, thanks for your time. coming up, experts on climate change. congress hears new testimony on the keystone pipeline. we'll separate qualified from quack. first "cnbc market wrap." we saw a sharp drop in stocks today. this is how we're standing and how we're going into tomorrow. the dow jones industrials was down by 227 points. the s&p was off by about 22 points. as you can see the nasdaq had a drop of 65.
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the senate foreign relations committee today held its long-awaited hearing on the keystone pipeline. it was not without a wide array of view points. some clownishly compromised, some not. testifying in opposition to the pipeline, climatologist and former nasa scientist dr. james hanson and executive director of the sierra club michael broom in favor of the pipeline that will transport oil from canada, a representative from the u.s. chamber of commerce, the largest business lobby in the country, and president obama's former national security advisor,
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general james l. jones. jones is no environmental expert but he is now a paid adviser for the american petroleum institute, the oil industry's top lobbying organization. it's a part of general jones' resume that did not come up at the hearing today. highlighting just how backwards the debate over climate change has become, the most heated exchange had nothing to do with keystone. instead it came when wisconsin senator ron johnson decided to challenge a world-renowned climate scientist on this whole cockamamie notion of global warming. >> i live in wisconsin. you know, there were i think 200-foot-thick glaciers in wisconsin. how do you explain the carbon footprint? >> what you just said is blatantly false. >> with congress like these who needs a paid lobbyist to push for more fossil fuels? after the break, a wisconsin state supreme court expressed concerns about a controversial
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what do you do when you're a republican in the re-election fight of your life in a democratic state? if you're scott walker you try to rig the vote. on tuesday the wisconsin governor announced he would call a special session of the state legislature if the state supreme court overturns parts of the state's voter i.d. law. >> people overwhelmingly told us in the state they wouldn't have voter i.d. if the courts, regardless of which court it would be, were to say we think you can have it if not for this provision or that provision, we want to modify that so that a law like that were in effect before the next election. >> before the next election, which just so happens to be an election in which scott walker is running neck and neck with democratic challenger mary
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burke. it also just so happens that the law that walker is so eager to keep on the books could prevent thousands of minority vote which is tend to be democratic. a full 55% of wisconsin's african-american men and 49% of its african-american women lacked a driver's license. among black males aged 18 through 24, that number is 78%. what are the implications of those numbers for scott walker? in 2012 he faced a historic recall, won narrowly with 50% of the vote but within the african-american community, one of the groups of wisconsinites least likely to have state-issued government i.d. he took home just 5% of their vote. the perp he was running against, tom barrett, tom barrett took home 94% of the black vote. among voters earning less than $50,000 a year, another group of wisconsinitis unlikely to have a state-issued i.d., walker earn 4d 4% of the vote, tom barrett
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56% of the vote. governor walker's voter suppression efforts are not new but distinct in their shamelessness and quite popular. just yesterday republicans in the wisconsin state senate passed a new bill restricting early voting. a word to governor walker and his republican cronies -- shuttering the polls to secure victory isn't election strategy. it's cowardice. that's all for now. see you tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. >> the final public comment period has closed. >> i don't think the controversy over keystone is going i way anytime soon. >> researching both sides and listening to all the experts, i was wrong. >> proponents of the expansion delivered about 2 million comments. >> as long as it's economic to move that will be the factor. >> that's about twice the number of those in favor.