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i hope folks see it. >> quickly, the democrats trying to get him removed as the chair? >> well, he doesn't deserve to be chair. so that would be the right thing. but this motion is to condemn his behavior. >> okay. >> perhaps the republican colleagues will see that he doesn't deserve to be the chair. >> congressman keith ellison, thank you so much. that's "the ed show." time now for "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton. good evening, rev. good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, paul ryan's sorry excuse. congressman ryan is supposed to be the gop's expert on poverty, the one who supposedly is going to convince america that republicans are the ones who really want to help the poor. but over the last 24 hours, he's been hammered for those explosive and offensive comments, blaming poverty on a culture of men not working in inner cities. >> we have got this tailspin of
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culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work. so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with. >> culture of working in inner cities? really. today congressman ryan was desperately trying to backpedal. first congressman ryan told a blog, quote, this has nothing to do whatsoever with race. it has never even occurred to me. he is talking about inner city culture. but it never occurred to him that it might be racial? okay. later he released a statement saying i was inarticulate about the point i was trying to make. i was not implicating the culture of one community, but of society as a whole. but the congressman did implicate one community.
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he specifically called out the culture of inner cities. the truth is poverty is a problem all over america. in fact, the poverty rate is higher outside of inner cities. 17.7% of people living in nonmetropolitan areas live in poverty. that's compared to 14.5% in cities. a total of 8.5 million people live in poverty outside of cities. does congressman ryan think those people don't have a culture of work? funny, he didn't talk about that. but he is still slamming the safety net programs that is helping the poor. quote, i also believe the government's response has inadvertently created a poverty trap that builds barriers to work. i grew up in the inner city. i grew up with a single mother who at times had to use food
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stamps and welfare. and i watched men in my neighborhood, congressman, that would get up in predawn hours to wipe ice off the car to go to work or look for work. i've watched them catch subway trains early in the morning. there was no culture of laziness and not wanting to work? oh, there was a problem of having jobs, and there still is. maybe if you would work on a jobs bill, maybe if you would work on infrastructure development, you'd see a lot more men working in the inner cities. joining me now is msnbc's krystal ball. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me, reverend. >> paul ryan says he was inarticulate about the point he was making. what is your reaction, krystal? >> seemed pretty articulate when he was making it. it seemed pretty clear-cut what he was trying to say. and to me it just remind us how
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ronald reagan's spector of the welfare queen, which was all fake, right? this person didn't exist. but it was used to tell the story of how it was the culture of the poor that was really to blame. so if you're able to blame the poor people themselves, then it doesn't hurt so much when you cut the programs that are supporting them, that are helping them. then it's actually the programs themselves and the poor people themselves that are creating the poverty. paul ryan wants to be an expert on poverty. he wants to convince people that he really cares. but he can't hide his contempt for the very people that he claims to want to help. >> and i think that it also gives him a way of justifying why they don't vote for jobs bills and other things, because they condemn, oh, that's government poverty traps. let's bring on congresswoman marcia fudge, chairwoman of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman fudge, we're talking about, of course, congressman ryan and his
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offensive statements. and it was interesting that he talks about poverty in inner cities. but poverty isn't some foreign concept. it's everywhere, including his own district, congresswoman. more than 29,000 households in his district receives food stamps. 53% of those households have someone who is working. and 77% of those recipients are white. poverty crosses all racial and ethnic lines. don't we need to address all of that rather than scapegoating inner city culture? >> there is no question about it. i've read his statement and actually listened to it. and i understand that every now and then yes inarticulate, as he says. i also appreciate the fact that he said we should help in communities and volunteers. i appreciate all of that. but he started in the wrong place. instead of talking about solving the problem of poverty, he started out talking about blaming people for being poor. he then quoted mr. murray, who
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is a known racist and -- that's exactly right, sir, and he uses science to try to support his positions. he also didn't talk about the fact that these very same republicans, including him, the chair of the budget committee, has gutted public education. he has cut dollars for job training there is no transportation money for people to get to where jobs are. there has been no jobs bill there has been nothing done but to say that people who don't work are lazy. and i think that he should be not only ashamed of himself, but to go and drive in his own community and talk to the 29,000 households in his community who receive food stamps and ask them if they're lazy? ask them if they want to work. ask them if it's okay to feel bad about not being able to feed their families. i think it will give him an earful and very different from what he said in his interview the other say. >> now, krystal, one of the things -- and all of us have
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said things we regretted. all of us have. >> sure. >> what i noticed he did not do that many have done, and many of us have done, he never said he was sorry for what he said. should he have come right out and apologized to the people that he offended, that he directly attacked? and directly attacked them referring to charles murray who the congresswoman said has clearly written statements that many, including me regard it as racist? >> absolutely. i think it would have been entirely appropriate and called for congressman ryan to apologize for his statement. because many did find it offensive because it was offensive. it was blaming poor people for being poor. it was calling a whole group of people inner city, quote, people lazy. >> and he said it was generation. it wasn't just you, it was your daddy, your granddad di. he said it was generations. >> that's right. if you want to tackle these issues, then you have to get beyond the contempt that the right has held for people who
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are struggling. if you have contempt for a group of people, you are not going to be able to empathize with them. you are not going to be able to understand how you can effectively help them. here is the other problem. congressman ryan has a history of ignoring the facts and the evidence in this area on poverty and what actually works to alleviate poverty, on the causes of poverty, which economists are increasingly finding because of soaring inequality and structural issues. and even within his own budget, he has always relied on wishful thinking and his ideology rather than what scientists and economists say to be the truth. >> chair lady fudge, here is how paul ryan tackled poverty in the past. his 2012 budget cut $3.3 trillion over ten years from low income programs and gave millionaires $394,000 a year in tax cuts. so will the millionaires give that money away? what is the anti-poverty plan
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there? >> listen, let me just say this to you, reverend. i think that paul ryan underestimates the intelligence of the people of america. if he for some reason believes that just because he said it, people are going to believe it, his action speak louder than his words. he has done everything he can to derail every single program that would help the poor, that would help children, that would help the elderly. he will say that it is a dependency. it is a culture of dependency. all he is doing is continuing to denigrate the people who want to -- for themselves to find the american dream. and he has no intention of letting them get it, because the only people he is concerned reason the people who had trust funds like he did hen he grew up, or the people who give money to his campaigns. he is not in the least bit concerned about the poor people in this country. and i say to him, i am more than willing to invite you to come to a meeting of the congressional black caucus, and let's talk about poverty. i challenge you today to come. let's talk to people about poverty.
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>> well, krystal, you know, he is supposed to be the poverty expert for the gop. and unfortunately, the kind of talk about the poor has become fairly common from the gop, period. listen to this. >> washington is making the poverty trap much worse. the left is making a big mistake here. what they're offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul. the american people want more than that. >> we don't want to turn the safety net into a hammock that lulls able-bodied people into lives of dependency and complacency. >> teach a man how to fish. he can feed himself for a life. don't simply feed fish. >> so these are all statements we hear ryan all the way through. he is the poverty guy for the party. he was their nominee for vice president. you're not talking about talker. you're talking about the head of the budget committee. >> that's right. >> the man who was on the ticket last time saying these kinds of things, krystal. >> and he is supposed to be
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their intellectual heavyweight. i mean, think of that sad state of affairs. and, again, this makes for maybe a fun sound bite or a folksy sounding sound bite. but the evidence doesn't back it up. if you want to help people who are struggling, these government programs do a whole lot of good. and paul ryan himself recently released this 200-page audit of all the social welfare programs in this country. and he inex-publicly found, because he didn't want to find this, that a lot of them are doing a lot of good and have helped reduce the poverty rate in this century. >> i've got to go. but you know they gave a culture word, neighborhood youth corps. they raised kids in my generation to get up and go to work. >> no question about it. and if paul ryan wants to talk about the soul of america, i ask him to look into his own soul. if he is saying we have no soul, he certainly has a hole in his.
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he needs to understand that every single person in this country has a right to expect that their government will take care of them in their greatest need. and he knows and we know that these programs have been effective. and if he wants to believe that the only way to cure poverty is to just get rid of all of the poor people, he has another thing coming because he is going to have a battle on his hands from people like me and the congressional black caucus. >> chairwoman marcia fudge and krystal ball, thank you both for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> and be sure to watch krystal on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, a wild scene on the hill just moments ago as house democrats slammed darrell issa for his conduct last week cutting off microphones. they're calling him abusive and demanding an apology. tonight we're live in washington ahead. also, the gop's obama derangement syndrome hits a new low on the house floor.
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moments ago, a wild scene in congress. a dramatic action from house democrats shaming congressman darrell issa for his code of conduct last week. they called him out for being abusive and for a pattern of offensive behavior, and demanded an apology for cutting off microphones at a hearing last week. >> whereas ranking member cummings protested immediately, stating, quote, mr. chairman, you cannot run a committee like this. you just cannot -- >> gentlemen will suspend. chair is going to ask for the decorum of the house that members not display their ipads. it's a violation of the house rules.
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>> after a short back and forward over the rule about holding up ipads, democrats got right back at it. >> chairman issa's abusive behavior on march 5th is part of a continuing pattern in which he has routinely excluded members of the committee from investigative meetings, has turned off members' microphones when they were questioning a witness. now therefore be it resolved that the house of representatives strongly condemns the offensive and disrespectful manner in which cheryl darrell e. issa conducted the hearing on house oversight reform on march 5th, 2014 and requires that he come to the well of the house to issue a public apology to the members of the house. >> democrats saying tonight issa abused his power as chairman of the house oversight committee.
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>> i have no expectation that ms. lerner will cooperate with this committee and therefore we are adjourned. >> chairman, chairman, i have a statement. i have a procedural question, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, i have a procedural question. mr. chairman, you cannot run a committee like this. you just cannot do this. this is -- we're better than that as a country. we're better than that as a committee. i have asked for a few minutes to ask a procedural -- now you're turning me off. >> we have adjourned. >> tonight a strong direct message to chairman issa. they won't stand for it. joining me now, congresswoman jackie speier, a member of the house oversight committee who just got off the house floor. thanks for being here, congresswoman. >> my pleasure, reverend. >> a remarkable scene moments ago. how do you think chairman issa
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will respond? >> well, if he is smart, he is going to respond by apologizing on the floor, because this privileged resolution can be brought up over and over and over again. and i don't know how much more he wants to see his face flashed on the screen with his hand going like this asking that they cut off the mics. the problem is that we do have rules in the house that require us to act with decorum. and in that committee the escalation of abuse by the chairman had to stop. and hopefully this is going to be the kind of wake-up call that he will stop cutting off members' mics, which he has done before. this is not the first time he has done it. >> oh, he has done this before? >> yes. he did it to congressman john tierney in the committee as well. and he has also prevented witnesses from answering questions from members on the democratic side. again, that is not consistent with how the house is to be run.
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and i've said it before. it's like a child in a sand lot who starts throwing sand at others because he is not getting his way. we're better than this, as mr. cummings said, congressman cummings. and it's time for us to act like adults. >> when you are chairman of an oversight committee and you're talking about serious things like his investigation of the irs or the attorney general or whatever, why would you act in a rude way, cutting off mics and all, unless you're really not trying to get the answers to what happened or didn't happen or the truth, be you are really trying to have something lean the way you want it? >> so that's precisely the point. it was theater, and it was a step in the direction of then subsequently holding lois lerner in contempt. and that's sort of his game plan. the real tragedy here is that
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lois lerner wanted to testify. she wanted another week to prepare, and he was unwilling to give her that week. so she plead the fifth as she has the right to do. so and then he gavelled the committee hearing to a close without giving the other side, the democrats on the committee the opportunity to have opening statements and to pose questions as well. this is a democracy. and unless we're moving into russia and putin, i think we better get back to reality and do the right thing here. >> you said that he doesn't want to keep seeing that picture. does that mean that if he doesn't apologize, the democrats are going to stay on it? this is not just a one-time show piece that we saw this evening at the house? >> well, that's above my pay grade in the house. but i'm certain that the leadership recognizes that we cannot allow this kind of conduct to continue to be acceptable in the house of representatives. we both have to act with
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decorum, and we've got to respect each other and allow the parties on each side of the aisle to have their piece. >> i can promise you we will stay on it right here. congresswoman jackie speier, amazing scene tonight. thank you very much for your time. >> my pleasure. coming up, republicans have to answer to president obama's epic web video. and like their policies, this one turns the clock back. but first, an unprecedented mystery. where is malaysia airlines flight 370? u.s. officials are now looking into the possibility that the plane was diverted to an undisclosed location. we have two experts on this ahead. stay with us. hungry for the best?
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republicans are refusing to do their jobs. but in their twisted version of reality, that makes the president some kind of tyrant. >> the president's dangerous search for expanded powers appears to be endless. >> where is the president's respect for the rule of law? it's past time for this body to say no to presidential overreach. >> will we stand idly by while an imperial president ignores the rule of law and unravels the separation of powers so carefully woven into our constitution. >> this is a democracy, not a kingdom. the united states president or the united states president is not supposed to be an emperor. >> the president is an emperor? that's funny. i thought he was democratically elected president who got 65 million votes. the gop's derangement on this is totally over the top. >> people are in disbelief. they can't believe that that's the president, because they know
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intuitively they have to follow the law. why doesn't the commander in chief have to follow the law? >> he will give -- sees that terrorists get documents that they won't even let members of congress have. >> he decides which laws he can execute, which laws he will not execute. and i think that will be the demise of our republic. >> the demise of our republic? really? if anything is threatening the demise of our republic, it's the hysteria and paranoia from the right. joining me now is congresswoman jan schakowsky, democrat of illinois, and democratic strategist jamal simmons. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, reverend al. >> thank you. >> congresswoman, what is your reaction to your republican colleagues trying to pass a bill like this? >> well, it's absolutely ridiculous. you know, the president has actually been the slowest to use things like the executive orders
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since the 1800s, since grover cleveland, of all the presidents. and of course the president has discretion. somebody better have discretion on how to enforce the law, what the priorities are. you know, they say that we're not enforcing the immigration laws. i'm sorry, but 1100 people are being deported every single day. and hopefully, the ones that are prioritized are the people who are actually criminals in this country, broken the u.s. laws. so it is absolutely ridiculous. and, you know, reverend al, these are another examples of bills to nowhere. they get up on the floor with all their fancy rhetoric about tyranny. and it's not going to happen because the president is not breaking any laws. the courts have upheld the discretion of the president. it's just silly. >> you know, jamal, let's go back to where the congresswoman was talking about presidents all
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the way back to grover cleveland. >> yeah. >> if you look at the fact president obama is supposedly a dictator for signing executive orders, then what about the past gop presidents? here is a look at their first term executive orders. ronald reagan had 213. george h.w. bush had 166. george w. bush had 173. when president obama, he had just 147. so if he is a dictator, what is reagan, bush and bush again? >> right, rev. and remember, on these issues, they think the president is a dictator. but then when it comes to these other international issues, he is feckless. he doesn't know how to stand up to vladimir putin, he is weak. they have to choose. either he is a strong leader, or he is somebody who is not doing the job very well. you know, the other part when we talk about republicans, i
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remember george w. bush with the signing statements. john mccain tried to -- help get a law pass dealing with torture. and george bush in a signing statement refused to go along with this definition of torture. presidents do this. they make their own decisions. but this is a continuing pattern of republicans of bullying where they not get their own way they start to bully everybody into doing it. you saw it with darryl issa. you saw it with chris christie you. saw it with michael grim threatening that reporter. this is a habit of republicans when they start to lose. >> you know, congress wan, ben carson who is a popular figure among conservatives compared the united states to nazi germany in an interview. watch this. >> you know, we live in a gestapo age. people don't realize it. you know, what i say, the congress has to at some point step up to the plate.
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the reason we have divided government is if one branch of the government gets out of control, starts thinking they're too big forethe their britches. >> comparing to the nazis. i mean gestapo, you and congress immediate to step up? how do was respond to, that congresswoman? >> well, this doesn't go over very well with the public, i don't believe. and let's remember it was george bush through an executive order that decided that torture was going to be legal. i don't know how you want to label that, but it's certainly when president obama came in, he entered that i think in the first weekend in office. and ronald reagan, let's remember iran/contra, selling weapons to iran and then using the money for nicaragua and anti-communist battle secretly. and so this president is
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transparent. he is using presidential discretion as the laws have upheld it. and to call it or even compare to it nazism, i think it's absolutely reprehensible. >> you know, jamal, when polled, people were questioned which party is more extreme in its positions. 54% said the gop. only 35% said democrats. isn't this extremism just hurting their own party, and will voters reject it? >> you know, rev, that's actually whooif been wondering about. what is it about this argument that they're making that they think appeals to the american people. i think it must be a base turnout strategy. they must have a bunch of people in the republican party who just simply don't like barack obama being president of the united states. we can all guess why they don't like him being there. they don't like him being president. they want the congress to get him under control, stop letting this man run the country. and they are trying to activate
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that base. because most people i talk to care about things like jobs and health care and trying to get the kids through school without having a mountain of debt and get their kids educated and technology. and nobody in the republican caucus seems to care about those issues or have a plan for dealing with them. >> congresswoman jan schakowsky and jamal simmons, thank you for being here tonight. the koch brothers can't operator in secret anymore. plus, a jaw-dropping twist in the search for that missing plane. developing news about the shutdown of the communications system. that's next. discover card. i missed a payment. aw, shoot. shoot! this is bad. no! we're good! this is your first time missing a payment. and you've got the it card, so we won't hike up your apr for paying late. that's great! it is great! thank you. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card with late payment forgiveness.
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. malaysia airlines flight 370 vanished more than six days ago, and tonight there is a startling new question. could the plane still be out there, intact and simply diverted to an undisclosed location? that exact theory is being raised in today's "wall street journal." u.s. investigators suspect it stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location. and that investigators are actively pursuing the notion
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that the plane was diverted with the intention of using it later for another purpose. malaysian officials denied this report. but if true, it means the plane could have traveled another 22 nautical miles, greatly expanding the search area. and today the white house said the search may be expanding to the indian ocean, based on new information. but so far, there are only questions, like this key piece of information. >> the plane's transponders, which broadcast its location, speed, and altitude had reportedly stopped broadcasting. the plane's transponders could have been shut off intentionally or as the result of a catastrophic event, taking out the electrical system. >> so where is flight 370? and could the plane and its passengers still be out there?
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joining me now are jim tillman, and aviation expert and former american airlines pilot, and jim cavanaugh, an nbc law enforcement analyst who has been deeply involved in many high profile investigations, including the unabomber case. >> thank you, reverend al. >> thank you, reverend al. >> jim tillman, let me start with you. abc news is reporting two communication systems shut down simply on the flight. the data reporting system they believe was shuttle down at 1:07:00 a.m. the transponder which transmits location and altitude shut down at 1:21 a.m. what does that tell you? >> well, it first tells me that we're not getting the full story all the time. it's like why didn't someone say this earlier? it would have made a lot of difference in the way we analyzed the data we were getting. what it really means is the
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system that is automatically sending maintenance information to the ground and the airlines communications, and the transponder is your means of communicating with air traffic controllers electronically to let them though what your aircraft is doing, which direction it's flying, how fast it's going and all that sort of thing. if the it went off first, i understand it was like 14 minutes before the transponders went offline? >> right. >> it's a puzzle to me, because that means that during those 14 minutes, they were getting good data for the air traffic controllers on the ground about what the airplane was doing. reverend al, i've been unhappy about the air traffic control thing ever since this started where. were they? why didn't they scramble jets? why didn't they do some of the things a that are necessary to do to follow that airplane, they knew it was in trouble. and they must have been it was in trouble because they couldn't communicate wit. >> like what? give me an example. >> well, let's put it this way.
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if it happened in our airspace, i'll put it that way, we would have had all kinds of activity taking place. there would have been jets in the air following it along. there would have been all kinds of communications, trials going on. the air traffic controller would have been going crazy trying to make sure they could reach you and communicate with you immediately. so none of that stuff happened. >> if "the wall street journal" story is correct, how does one travel under radar like this for that many hours? >> well, radar is one of those things that is dependent upon line of sight. and if you get low enough and your altitude is low enough, you can fly under radar. you heard that all your life about flying under radar. kit be done. it's risky to do unless you really know the terrain quite well. >> now, let me ask you, jim cavanaugh. if you were heading up this investigation, what would your main question be right now? >> go back to questions we talked about on monday, reverend al, is was the transponder turned off by a human hand?
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was the data akar system turned off by a human hand? did it bank, turn? was ate pilot or human hand that did that, as opposed to was it spiralling into the sea. if those things were turn bade human hand, it would indicate more toward a cockpit takeover. we can add to that today as nbc news reported today that united states satellites, infrared specialized satellites did not detect an explosion in the air, and likely they would have. they're very sensitive, and apparently they can detect things like that. >> so if there was no explosion in the air that was detected, then either there are some that saying is it terrorist, but there has been no terrorist group that has come forward to take credit. and usually terrorists do things to send a message. and there has been no message. then with those two shelved, or at least we think we can shelve
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them, is there some viability to "the wall street journal's" theory that maybe they landed somewhere because they wanted to use the plane for another purpose later. but then what happened to the 239 passengers? >> right. i mean, you can't rule out "the wall street journal's" theory, because they're saying there was a ping from a data source for four hours. so we add that with the other facts, it's possible the plane was flying. if the malaysian military authority's radar which is pretty squishy right now, but could it have gone to the indian ocean? flying that plane toward the indian ocean is a total dead-end. you're not going to reach africa. you're going to be in the ocean. so it wouldn't indicate to me that a trained pilot who wanted to steal the aircraft and even sell it or use it or something would be flying it toward the indian ocean. however, a hijacker who might
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have killed the pilot, that would be a different story. he might not know how to do it. >> let me ask you something. if it went into the indian ocean, will we ever find it? >> well, that's a good question, because that's a huge expansion of just water. there's not a lot out there to be fixing on. but, you know, it could have started toward the indian ocean and then turned around to go some place else it planned to go. reverend al, this thing has so many twists and turns and bad information or no information and everything else that all of us that are desperately trying to find answers for those people who had loved ones on that airplane are very perplexed and very confused and very frustrated. >> well, i think that is an understatement. but there are 239 lives on there. and we can't stop looking. and we can't stop searching, because if there is any way they're alive, we need to reach them. let's leave it here.
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thank you both for being here with me tonight. jim tilmon and jim cavanaugh. thanks for your time. >> thank you, reverend al. ahead, a group funded by the billionaire koch brothers is airing obamacare attack ads with paid actors. but today democrats are fighting back with their own ad. and attorney general eric holder takes another major step toward fixing our criminal injustice system today. (vo) you are a business pro. seeker of the sublime. you can separate runway ridiculousness... from fashion that flies off the shelves. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. and only national is ranked highest in car rental customer satisfaction by j.d. power. (natalie) ooooh, i like your style. (vo) so do we, business pro. so do we.
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democrats have a message for america. koch is not it. a group funded by the bill maher koch brothers is airing this ad attacking democratic louisiana senator mary landrieu. it features paid actors pretending to be families hurt by obama care. but now democrats are fighting back with a new ad, calling out the koch brothers and landrieu's republican opponent. >> out-of-state billionaires spending millions to rig the system and elect bill cassidy. their goal, another politician bought and paid for. cassidy's billion backers. they have a plan for him. it's not good for louisiana. >> senate majority leader harry
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>> this focused reliance on incarceration is just -- is not just financially unsustainable, it comes with human and moral costs that are impossible to calculate. by reserving the most severe penalties for dangerous and violent drug traffickers, we can better promote public safety, deterrence, and rehabilitation while saving billions of dollars and strengthening communities. >> in 2010, federal and state governments spent $80 billion on prisons. holder said the plan could also reduce the prison population by more than 6,000 inmates in five years. since 1980, the u.s. population has grown by about 40%. but our prison population has grown by 790%. and sentences for similar crimes are nearly 20% longer for black men than for white men.
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that's why it was important president obama and attorney general holder stated their commitment to correcting the injustices of our legal system. last december, president obama commuted the sentences of eight crack cocaine offenders. all sentenced under severe mandatory minimum laws. and last summer, eric holder first called to end severe mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenders. >> today a vicious cycle of poverty, criminality and incarceration traps too many americans and weakens too many communities. and many aspects of our criminal justice system may exacerbate these problems rather than alleviate them. >> when people do wrong, when people commit crimes, they should pay. but they should not pay more than what society would have
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others pay for the same crime. and we should pay within the reason of giving people correction, not just detention. we need what the attorney general has said we needed for all americans to be able to live a balanced justice system. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. time to attack. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews down in washington. let me start tonight with this. the best defense is a good offense. are you listening, democratic candidates? if the republicans are running on the president, his health care plan and you, you can sit there and play defense. you can talk reasonably about the values of comprome
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