we'll be back next week. if it's press." press." fz -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the search area has been significantly expanded and the nature of the search has changed. >> the families are all waiting. we're all waiting. >> so hopefully we can find the flight. we pray for them. >> my prayer is that this will come to an end. >> prayers for the missing. more than one week later, hello to you all. i'm t.j. holmes in today for craig melvin. you are watching msnbc as we watch two huge stories happening right now. two dozen countries joined the hunt for flight 270 as the search seems to be growing larger by the minute. also this -- >> russia's isolated in the

world. >> we have to move in hard now with sanctions. >> the question now is, does putin move in to eastern ukraine or does he leave it alone? >> the votes are in. no real surprise here. early indications show crimea sides with moscow. washington and the west, they're not trying to hear that. also after 12 years and more than 2,000 american deaths, afghanistan's president says, he doesn't want u.s. military help anymore. also, on this day, two stories, two terrifying ordeals, two very different outcomes all in one city with one indelible impression. >> comes down to being able to identify yourself in the parade. that's what it's all about. >> and on this most irish of weekends, who's and is not walking right now in one of the most famous st. patrick day parades of all. but first, starting with the

latest on the disappearance of the malaysian airplane. officials taking a hard look at everyone on board and everyone who had any contact with the plane before it took off. also taking a deeper look at the last communications from the plane. specifically, the last radio transmission in which the pilot said, good night to air traffic control. that signoff came after the pilot or someone on board turned off a key communication system. the signals from that system are providing the little we know about where the plane headed. tensions meanwhile are rising. some countries dragging their heels to hand over background information on passengers. the search area, now even bigger. it covers large tracts of land over 11 countries and remote part of the ocean. the countries involved has climbed from 14 to 25. while the search hasn't led to any tangible evidence in over a week, malaysian officials are still keeping every option on

the table. >> the areas of our focus on the investigations, number one, hijacking. number two, sabotage. number three, personal problem and number four is psychological problem. that doesn't change and includes all the ground stop, everybody. >> turn down to nbc kerry sanders in washington for us. hello and what are we supposed to make of the last transmission where literally or i should say that was the exact wrote. all right. good night business the last we heard from that plane. >> that's a very common expression when a pilot is passing off from one tower to another tower. what really is confusing here is there is another communication system on the airplane that's not designed to track where it is. in this case, it sends out a burst of data every hour. that burst of data is going back and saying, here's how much fuel is being burned and here's how the engines are running.

but some very clever experts have realized that they can determine and i have a prop here, if this was the plane and this was the satellite, this yellow line is the back and forth burst of data. there was no data going back and forth but there was an attempt to communicate so there's a line. so the experts, these very clever scientists realized they could sort of figure out the distance from the sate lite to where the plane was and maybe guess where it was. the problem is they have one satellite so see that distance, it's the same from the satellite as i move it around. it's all the same. so, while they have a general idea of a sweep or an arc, they don't exactly where it is in that arc. and that's why this area that they're now searching is not simply over water but rather extends over land. >> yeah. we were just talking yesterday and you were giving us an idea and how vast the area is they're searching and today word that

the search is actually expanding. put it in perspective for us. >> take a look at the map here. we look at it, this is the area where they had been searching. you have down there in the indian ocean, of course, all along the coast here. the sea bengal and now 11 countries up here in central asia all the way up to kazakhstan and that's a tremendous area. just this area here, larger than the continental united states. there are many nations involved with a lot of assets of planes and navy ships and everything else but the amount of territory that we're talking about is huge. >> all right. kerry sanders, thank you as always for the perspective and helping us understand this better. we'll get back with the latest. we need to turn to the other big story, increasing tensions in ukraine. the polls in crimea just closed and a look at the capital of crimea. thousands of people gathered

there, many waving russian flags. hundreds of thousands voted today on a referendum to either join russia now or effectively declare independence from ukraine. the u.s. says the referendum invalid. the russians said it complied with international law. let's bring in ian williams, he is there with the latest. ian, tell us, did it go as planned today? >> reporter: well, it certainly seems to have gone the way that the pro-russian government here wanted it to go. celebrations have already started here in the capital. in lenin square large number of people are there. they certainly think they have won. and certainly the figures we're seeing suggest it's been a pretty good turnout and of those that voted overwhelming majority did vote to rejoin russia. now, we had a taste of that ourselves when we traveled up the coast here today to a city

which is a little way out of simferopol. there the polling station was packed. the overwhelming majority looking to vote for joining russia, some out of fear of what was going on in ukraine. some out ofs no tall yeah. the person running that office said he'd never seen such excitement. but by contrast down the coast, we went to another village, this time of the minority. there, the vast majority were boycotting the vote, nobody was voting and people were very, very fearful about the -- what the future will bring. it was still a few hours away from knowing precisely what the result is and has gone the way of rejoining russia and we should know perhaps later tonight or tomorrow morning just how big the vote's been, t.j. >> one other thing, ian, the white house put out a statement short time ago saying it rejected the referendum and put the word in quotes and are people there on the ground

paying attention to the west, paying attention to washington even and the fact that a lot of people are watching around the world and not considering what they're doing there in crimea today to be legitimate? >> reporter: no. i think they're playing to their own rules here. there's been some virulent russian pop began da beamed in here and i don't think people are worried about what the rest of the world is saying. i think now in the eu and washington will be looking towards sanctions which we may see imposed as early as monday and tuesday and looking towards the knock-on effect in the eastern part of ukraine. don't forget there are large russian speaking groups in that area. and the real fear is that russia will follow up a rapid annexation of crimea with more trouble making in that part of the country and perhaps even open intervention, t.j. >> ian for us in crimea, thank

you, so much. north dakota senator hoeven, among a bipartisan group of senators that returned this morning. appreciate you hopping on with us. you just returned from ukraine. give us your impressions. >> t.j., it's, you know, a very pivotal time there. they have a transition government in place and obviously russia's invaded the crimea so this is not a bona fide referendum when russia sends troops in, invade the country. i have 20,000 or more troops and then hold a referendum. that's not a bona fide referendum and we need sanctions in place to make sure that they understand between the united states and the european union we'll take action. >> we heard from the president's national security adviser, dan pfeifer earlier on "meet the press." let's take a quick listen and i'll bring you in on the other side. forgive me. we do not have that. but again, i guess it's the line we have been hearing from the white house, essentially saying

this is not valid. this is not a real referendum here and saying there will be pressure put on this government, on putin with sanctions. do you agree with the white house right now? are you in line with the white house on the line that it is taking and saying that the sanctions are what we are going to use to respond to what russia is doing in crimea? >> yes. and of course, that was part of the reason that we had a bipartisan group of eight senators go over there to understand the facts on the ground, to understand exactly what's going on. and in a bipartisan way to come back and say, look, we need to take these steps both economic and diplomatic sanctions against russia as well as providing help and support to the ukraine because, look, this was an invasion of a sovereign country, ukraine, by its neighbor russia and setting up this referendum which, again, is not a bona fide election. >> while you were there, did they tell you in ukraine specifically what they wanted and what they needed from the u.s. right now? >> right. they understand, you know, i met

with their acting president. they have an interim government, government in place after the mydon demonstrations. met with the prime minister and many members of their parliament which is called the erada. we went through the kind of economic assistance they need. the house has already passed a bill to do that. the senate passed a bill out of committee that would provide that assistance. primarily loan guarantees. but also includes sanctions against russia that i think economic and diplomatic sanctions i think will have a real impact on russia. >> do you have a concern that russia will retaliate, as well? there are a number of interests the united states has whether it's afghanistan where they need help from russia, whether it's syria and also on iran. are you concerned and also a lot of american businesses there that the russian government could retaliate against. do you have concerns of a back

and forth and they might retaliate themselves? >> putin needs to understand that there will be ramifications and there will be costs for invading another country. that's part of the reason that i went over there with the delegation to understand how to put sanctions in place that truly impact russia, make russia pay a cost but at the same time work for the ukraine and for our countries and that's what we're working with the european union to do. >> what sanctions? specifically, what do you think is going to work? >> right. so the foreign relations committee in the senate passed a bill last week that includes both sanctions against russia and help for the ukraine, including things like restrictions on travel visas, extension of the mcnitski act and those stealing money from ukraine and creating other problems that we will not only restrict their travel but go

after the bank accounts, again, in a way i think can really hurt russia and at the same time loan guarantees and work with the imf for help and support to ukraine as long as they're willing to undertake reforms with their new government. >> senator moechoeven, we appree you taking the time. fresh off the trip. i'm sure we'll be talking to you again. >> thank you, t.j. >> u.s. ambassador to moscow, that was a month ago, now a msnbc contributor. sir, thank you for being with us. let's get you to react to what you heard and some of the sanctions. going after some of the money or cut off some of the flow of the money s. that going to work and be enough when you consider what is at stake or at least russia believes is at stake in crimea for them? >> well, it depends on what you define as going to work. right? i don't think sanctions that are going to be announced on monday or tuesday by the united states and the european countries are

going to deter putin from getting out of crimea, for instance if he should decide to recognize the referendum. it's not going to work that way and change the behavior in the short term. however, in the long term it is going to spark a discussion inside russia about the benefits of this imperial kind of behavior versus the benefits of being integrated in the global economy and how sanctions play out. not in the short term, but the long term. >> something you wrote that got our attention. i got the language you use in a facebook post and which you said -- >> you read my facebook page? >> we have to get a hold of you some way. i didn't have the e-mail. you wrote on the page and quoting here that you were very depressed by what's happening between russia and ukraine. just wandering about that language that seemed very personal. why did you use that lack wage and why do you feel that way? >> well, because, myself and by the way many russians and other

americans feel that russia could be a strong, prosperous, democratic state that could be a partner with the west and russians believe that. i know these people well. what this action does is guarantee that that kind of partnership is not going to happen in the short term, foreseeable future as long as putin is there. so i see it as a tragic waste. russia has lots of very smart people, people that can contribute to the global economy. people that -- country that can contribute to our national interests as you were mentioning earlier with respect to iran, syria, afghanistan. this puts that all moving backwards, not forwards. i find it personally very tragic. >> you talked about the russians you talked to and who have met and want this democratic and powerful and this country that is respected and viewed a certain way around the world but then you speak a different way of vladimir putin. is this strictly vladimir

putin's move and this crisis is his and his alone? >> well, in all crises, citizens around the world, americans, russians, everywhere, rally around the flag and support their leader. that's happening in russia today, as well. what didn't happen in russia before the crisis is a debate in the senate because the senators are appointed by putin. what didn't happen in russia is a debate in the media because all the media is controlled now by the state. so democratic institutions have been weakened allowing for this more bellicose foreign policy. but over time, i don't think it's going to succeed because people don't -- there's nothing to putinism besides this kind of nationalism. it's not an ideology that's deep within society and the smartest, most educated, richest urban people in russia are exactly the people that do not support the activities. 50,000 of them demonstrated against the war act yesterday on

the streets of moscow. >> all right. former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfall and regularly posted on facebook. i'll keep up with you there, kind sir. >> okay. >> we appreciate your time. enjoy the rest of your sunday. >> thanks. about 20 minutes past the hour. coming up on 20 minutes past the hour, new questions about the pilot of the missing plane, how investigators are looking into his life and what they might learn. that's ahead. also, a new way to read a big book. one quick bite at a time. also, a little later, a massive recall for a popular minivan on the road. for hearburn? yea. try alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heart burn and taste awesome. these are good. told ya! i'm feeling better already. alka-seltzer fruit chews. enjoy the relief! hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score... is that new? yup, you have our discover it card, so you get your fico® score on every statement.

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focused on the pilot and co-pilot roles. they searched both homes yesterday looking for clues to help them in the investigation. one of the things they examined, the pilot's in-home flight simulator. also talked to family members, according to malaysia airlines, the two men did not ask to fly together. retired nbc news aviation correspondent bob haguer reported essentially from the scene of virtually every major plane crash over the last couple of decades. >> thank you very much, t.j. >> you have covered so much of these, nothing like this exactly. >> right. >> so many plane crashes and tragedies, what stands out to you here? i mean, we have never seen anything like this. >> nine days after the event and it's still missing. i mean -- no. i've never seen anything like that. years ago when they didn't have radar all over the place like we do now, some planes went missing. earhart in 1937 among others. to have a plane missing for nine days, that's unprecedented.

>> are we supposed to -- it sounds strange to us, we think about flight simulators. he had one in his home. should we make anything of that? >> not without some more evidence than that. if they go in and see that he was simulating this flight and the strange trajectory it took, that would get your attention. history of the few planes that have been brought down by suicides is that they never really discovered much in examinations of house and relatives and things like that. egypt air was a big case in the 1990s and that guy's background didn't indicate that he might take the plane down as he did. >> the search and the investigation and little i guess dribs and drabs of information that have been coming out day in and day out, is this -- i mean, this is probably the most advanced and probably most extensive search and investigation we have ever seen and we can't come up with anything. >> yeah. it's amazing. but there may be more information around and others

privy of that, military people, for instance. may be spy satellite photos to show it some place. there's things to go on but from what we know right now, precious little information. this is too bad, too. this is terrible tragedy and we may never know. i wouldn't say that about other crashes. i used to say no, no. they'll find out n. this case i'm worried they may never know. >> you tell me why you say that. with the knowledge you have, you said we may not never know. what leads you to make that statement? >> cockpit voice recorder to record what went on in the cockpit, that runs over itself every two hours so if it went on after the events came down in the cockpit, we'll have no evidence of that even if they do find the cockpit voice recorder, flight data recorder might tell you more. maybe we won't find the wreckage. we've not many blips to go on. >> nine days going.

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up a look at how the u.s. and europe planned to respond to today's vote. just how far reaching are the plans? consider this. a group of crukrainian american in pennsylvania came out to protest saturday urging passing drivers to honk for ukraine and fill the tanks elsewhere. >> well, when people fill up with luke oil gas, they support the regime that's currently sending tanks and guns. >> and crimea, some gay and lesbian residents are leaving. they're afraid if they're annexed into russia they'll be subject to moscow strict laws restricting what the russians call gay propaganda. take a look at this. further north in central ukraine, about 100 people you

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passengers. bottom of the hour now, i'm t.j. holmes in for melvin craig. afghanistan president says u.s. troops are no longer needed. he made the remarks yesterday to the afghanistan parliament. karzai refused to sign a security agreement to help keep u.s. troops in afghanistan after 2014. honda's recalling nearly 900,000 odyssey minivans a. faulty fuel pump cover could crack and cause a leak. it involves 2005 through 2010. and former boston mayor reveals he's battling an advanced form of cancer. doctors discovered it last month. he's currently undergoing chemotherapy. he served as the mayor for 20 years before retiring last year. crimea could soon return to

the russian fold. they went to the polls today to decide whether to break with ukraine and align with russia right away or break with ukraine and align with russia some point in the future. russian media reports indicate a vast majority voted to join russia. the u.s. and 12 other members of the u.n. security council believe the vote is illegal. russia said they're acting within international law. ahead to the brain trust now. let me bring in a guest who's a former special assistant to president obama and dana mill bank for "washington post," peter suterman, senior editor at "ran" magazine. daniella, let's start with you. do we have a difference of opinion? what democracy is and what it should look like between russia and the united states. >> well, i think it's safe to say there's a bit of a difference of opinion between russia and united states on a lot of things specifically vladimir putin and the rest of the world. it is not just the united states

saying that the election is undemocratic. it's the ukraine saying it. their constitution says that they can have a referendum on the status of crimea but the entire country has to vote on it. so it's not just the u.s. and other countries standing on one side. you know, it's what the people of ukraine put into their constitution. so russia's just, you know, doing what they want to do and i think there needs to be consequences to that. >> dana, some of the rhetoric we're seeing -- we saw another statement from the president or the white house i should say saying that they reject the referendum s. that type of rhetoric and the threat of sanctions, is that going to work on put snn. >> well, it's certainly not working in the short term. in fact, probably nothing that could work against vladimir putin in the short term. the question is, how much pain does he want his country to suffer? there's a striking degree of unity on the solution will be starting tomorrow if the referendum is as expected and

is -- if the russians are going to continue with some form of ann annexation. this is debilitating to russia and a question of how much they want to endure. it is all rhetoric up until this point and presumably that changes this morning. >> let's give you something, peter, from "the economist" with a series on where democracy stands and a difficult time and autocrats driven out of office and opponents failed to create viable democratic regimes even in established democracies. flaws in the system have become worringly visible. is democracy losing some appeal, just having a tough time, it seems, sometimes right now? >> well, i mean, democracy is always subject to the problem of politics. and the united states's response is always, you know, to some extent a judgment call in terms

of what it is willing to accept, what it's willing to recognize. you know, we saw in venezuela that secretary of state john kerry was a little bit ret cent or hesitant to recognize the elections last year. look at things like what happened in iraq in 2002 where there was an election of 11 million people, 100% of whom all, you know, supposedly all voted for saddam hussein. and so there are always these sort of broader philosophical questions and a challenge for democracy in general just to make the politics and the geo politics workout. >> dana, how's secretary of state kerry doing these days with his brand of diplomacy? looks like he's been all over the world here lately. how's he making out in what's happening with russia right now? >> well, all over the world and often the secretary of state is all over the map, too. given that you're not exactly sure what's going to come out of his mouth. you know, at this moment he is criticized for being too weak

and conciliatory to russia in his statements and then hearing from senate republican corker and then lindsay graham saying it's all serious threats from this administration and no action. so look. he is going to be criticized no matter what he does now. i think whatever the criticism is he and the president have been reasonable and forceful in saying there's consequences. the question is if there are not consequences starting tomorrow morning, everybody will say, well, that was just a whole lot of talk there but tomorrow's really when we begin to see what the action is. >> daniella, i saw you gesturing there a little bit but on the issue some say there's contradiction between the president and the secretary of state. is that, you know, kind of a media types talking about this and maybe much ado about nothing or should we make anything of it and are they on the same page? >> he absolutely has his full backing and what you are hearing is not surprising chatter from

the right and shocking fact that senator corker and senator graham are criticizing senator kerry, you know, they would find any reason and any excuse to criticize the administration over anything. when you look at what they have done, most reasonable people would agree up until this point they have been pretty good on the issue. for people to try to look for fizz your between secretary kerry and president obama they won't find one. >> peter, wrap it for me in 20 second. what does the u.s. do tomorrow? >> we see some sort of economic sanctions most likely but how much pain? not just russia willing to take but is the united states willing to inflict. and what sort of consequences come out of that? >> wow. you must have had a clock in front of you. you were right on time there. daniella, dana, peter, thanks to you all. see you again soon. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, the big idea -- today it's big-time literature in little bitty bites. later, to march or not to

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chunks giving the reader the chance to finish them on their commute to work or while waiting in line at the grocery store. jennifer is a co-founder of the rooster app and also a former "the new york times" reporter and liel is also co-founder. welcome to you both. is this where we are now? we can't just read a book? we need somebody to chunk it up for us? >> well, some of us can read a book but we find that's we are too busy to fit reading into our life. that's what we were finding. we're all avid readers and we weren't finding the space in our life to read and we thought how do we fit reading in? we looked as a model into the changing visual entertainment. in particular, the change from movies being the dominant forum into the shorter, more flexible television episodes and with rooster we're doing something similar with fiction trying to let people fit in it in to their

schedule. >> jennifer, too, we don't have time to read now? isn't that what's wrong with us and our generation and society today? we want everything quick and now and don't take the time to enjoy a good book. >> well, we basically believe that you create great stories to fit the way that people want to read so if you want to read great stories, we want to make them more episodic and shorter and punchier and then over time same way that we have great television series, we can have great novel that is are episodic and very, very much page turners, as well. >> do i have this right? you're making -- it's not like you're taking a book off the shelf and putting it in the form. the books are being written and created specifically to work with the app and the type of reading. >> yeah. that's right. for a lot of them we're doing that and taking other book that is sort of lend themselves very well to the form and sort of making those secondarily and a lot of them we're writing and

more and more we want to write particularly to be read in this way. >> this is junction fiction here and that's all that's on the app, sfrigt. >> right now we're starting with fiction and definitely open to nonfiction, especially if readers demand it. >> okay. why fiction? do you think jennifer, fiction struggling in some way and want more people reading fiction and this is a way to do it? >> i think we basically focus on fiction because we think that's like where the best storytelling is happening right now and basically want the serialized storytelling to sort of be reinvigorated in the digital age and the smartphone carrying it with us all the time and read all the time on it that it's one of the best ways to get people who want to read to read more and we see a lot of excitement. >> you are a writer yourself. how do you all pick the types of story and i want to make sure people trying to understand this, you all are sending them

with this app two -- two books a month? >> that's right. one contemporary book and chosen -- that's the one we spend a lot of time trying to choose. things we think you can really fall into, you immediately, like, that's what you're thinking about during the day and where your thoughts keep returning and also the kind of book that is will stick with you after you fin sh reading them and transformative, immersive reading and then pair a class wick the contemporary and meant to be something that really is sort of a counterpoint to have the interesting things to compare and talk about with your friends. things like that. >> it is today's big idea. it's called the rooster app. thank you both. and good luck. we'll see how this goes. >> thank you thanks, t.j. >> if you have a big idea, you think's making a big difference, you can send it to us, tweet it to us. you can also e-mail it to us. as we get closer and closer

to the top of the hour, it is time for the flash back now looking back at two abductions on the same day in the same city but one year apart. the first is william buckley, 30 years ago today. >> according to neighbors, buckley here in pictures shown last saturday, leaving the apartment building and three gunman in a white sedan drove up and blocked the street. a neighbor's street said buckley ran the car with his own to avoid capture. the watchman at the apartment said one of the gunman walked up to the car, put a gun to his head and ordered him into their car. a second gunman took buckley's briefcase. all then drove away. it was later revealed that william buckley was the cia station chief in beirut. last image of buckley alive in january of 1985. in october of that year, his captored said he had been executed but later a fellow hostage said he died four months earlier. wasn't until 1991 that william

buckley's remains were found and then returned home. on friday, cia chief john brennan said despite the passage of time, bill's spirit lives on in our workforce. now, exactly one year to the day after william buckley was kidnapped, this happened. >> terry anderson, beirut bureau chief for associated press was abducted. anderson 37 is a former marine from ohio and worked in lebanon for two and a half years. >> it would take six and a half years before terry anderson would be seen again after being freed in 1991 just weeks before william buckley's remains were found. anniversa anderson spoke about what kept him going after his capture. >> you do what you have to do. you wake up every day. and you summon up the energy from somewhere, even when you think you haven't got it and you get through the day.

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look at that. st. patrick's day parade in full swing right now. one of the nation's largest, bringing in as many as a million spectators along the route to check out the floats and cheer on the groups marching in the event. aside from the fun and good cheer surrounding the parade, there's also a lot of controversy. it's been the case for years now. it centers around lgbt groups being banned from marching openly in the parade. negotiations seemed close to a come p compromise, but they fell apart just days ago. meanwhile, the new mayor announced today he would not attend the parade. we bring in the executive director of mass equality. she and her group were at the table during those negotiations. just how close did you get to working something out here? >> well, you know, i really

thought that we were close. we had a historic in-person face-to-face meeting, which was really significant after essentially what had been a 20-year standoff to have an lgbt group and the parade organizers at the table together. we thought the conversation had been positive. we had an agreement to work together to come to a compromise. next thing we know, we received via a press release a pretty hostile and abrupt rejection of our conversation. we were a little stunned. >> what you're referring to from the allied war veterans council, who are the folks in charge and put on the parade there. the statement in part read that it became evidence to us we were being misled by them, meaning your group, and that is where negotiations ended. what did you make of that? what did they possibly mean by saying you all misled them? >> well, you know, i think the more important point here is that what we were discussing with them was ending what has been a 20-year ban on the

ability of lgbt groups and lgbt people to march openly in this parade. you know, their assertion was essentially that the veterans that we have put forward, we had a group of veterans we work with on a regular basis. most ironically we worked with them to repeal "don't ask, don't tell." our idea was to have them march like other veterans do in this parade, to march behind a banner that would identify them as lesbian, gay, transgender veterans and to march behind their standard, which is the rainbow flag along with an irish flag and american flag. the allegations that we didn't have any vets that march, first of all, no other contingent has to proffer all of their marchers before their application is accepted. second of all, our perspective is that was just pretext for what was really going on, which was incredible discomfort with the idea of having openly lgbt people marching. >> at the same time, aren't there lgbt people marching in the parade, but they're just not marching behind a banner that

recognizes them as a part of that particular group. >> that's right. i mean, that's what makes this sort of a "don't ask, don't tell" scenario. lgbt people for a long time have been able to march in this para parade. where the controversy stems from is a group of lgbt people who are also irish wanted to march behind a banner that identified them as the lesbian, gay, and transgender group of boston. the parade organizers said they had the right not to let them identify it. but just because they have the right to do that doesn't make it right. this year in massachusetts we're celebrating ten years of marriage equality. it's very inconsistent with where the city of south boston is at, with where the commonwealth is at. there are veterans who are lgbt. they want to be able to walk down this parade route. >> like you said, this has been 20 years going now. seemed like it may have been close to a compromise.

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