tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC March 19, 2014 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
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really long story tonight. >> cut him off, i need that time. >> i just added back in that last paragraph in d-1. thanks very much. it is true, i didn't cut lee fang's mike, but we have a big exclusive story on tonight's show coming out of colorado. it's an upsetting story. it started with what looked like a crime story, but ended up being much much more than that, and we have that exclusive coming up ahead this hour. we're going to start tonight with president obama. he gave a round of interviews to local news stations around the country tonight including this one to nbc's station in san diego knsd. san diego a heavily military town, and reporter mark mullen asked president obama tonight if he as president had a message for american troops about the potential use of american
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military force in response to russia's recent actions in taking over parts of ukraine. watch how president obama responded. >> message to troops about whether the use of force militarily in ukraine is possible? >> we are not going to be getting into a military excursion in ukraine. russia right now is violating international law and the sovereignty of another country. we are going to continue to ratchet up the pressure on russia as it continue s down it current course. i think the ukrainians would acknowledge that for us, to engage russia militarily would not be appropriate and wouldn't be good for ukraine either. >> there will be no u.s. military excursion in the
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ukraine, the u.s. will in his words continue to ratchet up the pressure on russia. as russia continues down its current course. here is one of the manifestations of russia's current course. can you tell the difference between these two maps? it is a very subtle difference. the hint is that these are both maps of russia, the map on the left is what russia looked like before yesterday. the map on the right is what it says it ought to look like as of today. the where's waldo difference between these two maps is right over there on the edge, crimea. the map on the right is what russia looks like if you take at face value russia's assertions that crimea is part of russia, it's the annexation by russia that's turned into a full blown international crisis. it's also turned into a headache for map makers.
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they're not trying to make a political point just trying to make accurate maps. the good folks at wikepedia changed their map of russia to include that little bit of crimea. then they changed their map back again today. they made crimea its own neon green color. national geographic which does a lot of things said today that as far as they're concerned, once the russian parliament votes to absorb crimea, which is a vote that's imminent and inevitable. that vote in russia will settle the matter for them when it comes to maps. we map the world as it is, not as people would like it to be. which might remind you of donald rumsfeld, but there's no connection. the world as it is today means basically the surrender of
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crimea to russia. as the new york times reporter said this afternoon, bowing to the reality of the military occupation of the crimea government. ukraine has drawn up plans to evacuate all of the military personnel and their families. the ukrainian government announcing it would relocate all those 25,000 people to mainland ukraine. you may remember when we spoke with richard engel, he said that the issue of the ukrainian service members in crimea, inside a place that no longer considers itself to be part of ukraine, richard suggested live with us last night, that could be the next major flashpoint for setting off a shooting war in the region. he suggested that the fate of those ukrainian service members still stuck in crimea was a crucial matter and time sensitive matter, and it was is
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this afternoon when the ukrainian government said yes, they have to go. the times posted this photo today of ukrainian naval officers carrying their suitcases and clothes out of their own headquarters as masked russian forces stood by. there is something of a crisis about the fate of these service members and whether or not they're going to have safe pass around out of crimea, there is a bit of a crisis about this 25,000 or so people, it's not really the way it was supposed to go. the ukrainian government said it struck a deal, specifically about ukrainian bases and the personnel that are serving there. the russians said they would allow those bases to receive supplies, and the russians promised not to provoke any sort of confrontation over the military bases. the ukrainians serving on those bases would be left in peace, at least through the end of this
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week. the truce was supposed to last until friday, march 21st, but russia has totally violated that deal as we saw yesterday, russian forces started swarming the bases. a ukrainian captain was seriously injured. the attackers in those killings were dressed in the uniforms of the armed forces of the russian federation, they were not wearing any official insignia. those shootings, that violation of the truce that happened yesterday. today prorussia militia men stormed into ukraine's naval headquarters and detained the commander of the navy. we have video of the head of russia's black sea fleet walking past a crowd today. we also saw pro russian forces taking down ukrainian insignia
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from the walls of that naval base. this wasn't supposed to happen, right? it was supposed to have been a deal that those bases would be safe, the personnel on the bases would be safe until the end of this week, the bases would be left alone. the russians did not hold up their end of that deal. so much for that deal, so much for that promise. vladimir putin has promised his expansionist adventure in that region will stop with crime yarks he has no plans to invade or take over any other parts of ukraine. do you believe that promise? russia has amassed thousands of troops along the border that russia shares with the eastern part of ukraine proper. this is the border with eastern ukraine. according to one senior american military official, it's like the russian troops are on a hair trigger. quoting nbc news tonight, crimea
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is accessible only by air or sea, u.s. officials speculate they may seize a slice of eastern ukraine by military force in order to provide a land bridge directly from russia to crimea richard engel tweeted these pictures today, refusing to allow ukrainian troops to supply their own military base in eastern ukraine. this is a picture of the militia milling around outside and blocking access to a ukrainian base. this is not in crimea, this is not where russia has supposedly taken over. this is a new place, this is eastern ukraine. this is the part of the country that vladimir putin said he has zero interest in and he's not planning on taking. president obama says this is not going to be an american shooting war against russia over the issue of ukraine. president obama also said that what russia is doing is unacceptable, secretary of state
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john kerry has also been very explicit about that, he said yesterday it is in his word a hardline for the u.s. if putin pushes further into eastern ukraine. if it is a hardline for this administration, if this administration says that is absolutely unacceptable and the administration is very clear that we are not using military force, we are not going to go to war over ukraine, what is the american government going to do while the president has already put financial sanctions and travel bans on russian officials. he's left himself the room to ramp up those sanctions by quite a bit, theoretically he has infinite room to ramp those up further. and broaden the sanctions, not only to more individuals but beyond individual people in order to target the russian economy as a whole. is that process now in motion? if russia is expanding tonight it's reach into eastern ukraine? how will this administration
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fight them on that and how will they lead an international effort to fight them on that? how the will the american congress want to fight back against them? this may not be a shooting war, but this is starting to look like a war that is everything but a shooting war. what does that mean that we are going to do next? what are our options? hold that thought. we'll be right back.
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is use of force in ukraine possible? >> we are not going to be getting into a military excursion in ukraine. i think even the ukrainians would acknowledge for us to engage russia militarily would not be appropriate and would not be good for ukraine either. >> joining us now is chris murphy, a democrat of connecticut. a member of the senate foreign relations committee. thank you for being with us
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tonight, i appreciate your time. president obama is being very clear and blunt that there will not be and there will be never be an american military excursion in ukraine on this issue. do you agree with president obama and his decision to be so blunt about that? >> he's right, it wouldn't be good for the united states. it wouldn't be good for the ukraine ultimately. that doesn't mean there is an effort that is worthwhile to try to staff up the ukrainian military in the long run. they certainly are dramatically underfunded. and that really should be our long term effort. but right now, we have to pursue a diplomatic path, and we have to make this really hurt for russia. they marched into crimea, they simply didn't believe that there would be a price to pay from the united states and europe, and there's still a chance that we can make them think differently if we move beyond these sanctions on individuals, move
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to real sanctions on the russian economy in the coming days and weeks. >> what kind of price to pay do you think might be meaningful american leverage? how severe would the sanctions have to be, where do you think they should be targeted and does the president have power to do that sort of thing on his own or does that require congress ap action? >> i think we're going to move in congress on the sanctions bill that will give him broad authority, you saw 50,000 russians out on the streets this last weekend and if you exact some real pain on the russian economy. that does mean sanctioning the oil companies, freezing the assets of banks and stopping european companies from doing business with russian banks, then you will start to see a free fall of the economy within russia. that will make putin think differently. that requires europe to work with us, and right now there is a question as to whether europe
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is willing to go off pain of their own, when you cut off gas to germany, that cuts off some money. if we do that together, then putin's got a problem on his hands and he's going to certainly stall plans into eastern ukraine. >> the issue about the russian banks specifically, i think we've seen with the experience of sanctions on iran, that when iranian banks were sanctioned, when they could not function in the international economy any more, and iranian banking became a single nation experience, that cratered the iranian economy more than anything else that had been done with them on sanctions and it happened very fast and there was unrest in iran because of this, it was an incredibly effective pressure point. what do you think president obama would have to be to be able to rally the world to do that, it can't be a unilateral decision, it has to be a
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national decision, it took a long time to get people around to the idea that that should happen for iran, is this diplomatically in the realm of the possible? >> i think it is, in part because there is a real sense of nervousness along the eastern edge of nato today. five years ago, it was preposterous to think russia would move on ukraine. five years from now, who knows where his sights will be. why it ultimately will work, what putin is worried about is the kind of unrest we saw. he's worried that that is going to happen in moscow, he's going to shut down that kind of democracy on the border in the former soviet republican as quickly as possible. if you see this economic unrest and very quickly putin may think differently about this, it's similar to yanokovich regime.
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>> the numbers of russian troops masked very near the border is a breathtakingly large number of troops and it's a well balanced set of troops in terms of the way they are equipped if they did want to roll across that border in large numbers. if president putin did something in short order, he's moving for quickly than sanctions can move. is there some immediate response that you think the united states should meet out at that point or do you think it's one foot in front of the other in terms of lining up sanctions that really is our best response. >> i think there's nonlethal assistance we can give the ukrainian military so they have the ability to stand. when we heard in kiev, the ukrainians in that section of the country are going to fight, so russia is going to have blood on their hands, all of that will start to change the world calculus on this issue, and also i think change the mood in
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moscow, so the united states may not be able to diplomatically change this situation before putin moves, but a move into eastern ukraine has consequences in and of itself that will change how the world reacts and change the problem putin will have on his hand with respect to public support inside his own country. >> chris murphy, member of the senate foreign relations committee, thank you for your time tonight. it's invaluable to have you here. thanks. >> thanks, rachel. we'll be right back, we have a story tonight, an exclusive out of colorado, which again i will tell you is a little bit of an upsetting story, it's an important one and a big one, and that story is coming up. stay with us. hey mom. yeah? we've got allstate, right? uh-huh. yes!
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criminal case he was accused of keeping her as a slave in that home for more than four years, he was also accused of sexually assaulting her. in 2006 despite his claims he was innocent, the charges were motivated by bias, the grad student was convicted on charges. he was convicted of theft, extortion and unlawful sexual contact by use of force. he's now serving what amounts to an unusually flexible sentence, his sentence is eight years to life. a sentence that he started serving at this colorado prison in 2006. his home country of saudi arabia, has repeatedly advocated for his interests. they put up $400,000 for his bail during the trial. this youtube video from 2010 which asks president obama to pardon him, it's been viewed more than a million times on youtube, the u.s. ambassador to saudi arabia during the bush administration, even asked the
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attorney general from the state of colorado to travel to saudi arabia to discuss the case with the saudi royal family including the king, king abdullah. the attorney general explained the u.s. ambassador over there and the state department felt there was enough of a concern to send over a representative of colorado to explain to them our judicial system. colorado's then attorney general made that trip to saudi arabia in 2006. it was paid for by the federal government, he went there to explain that grad student's conviction and his sentence in colorado. the case was alarming enough to ask the attorney general to go over there and do that. about a year ago, al turkey made a formal request to please go home to saudi arabia. he asked the department of corrections if they would allow him to be deported so he could serve the remainder of his sentence in his home country. it was a request that the saudi
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arabian government reported but the colorado government said no, specifically tom clemens said no, he received and reviewed the request from mr. al turkey he should move home to saudi arabia, he received that request, and then on march 11th of last year, tom clemens wrote him a letter explaining that the transfer request was denied. that happened on march 11th. that was a monday. the following weekend on march 17th, there was a mysterious murder in colorado, this was nbc coverage from local channel 9 at the time. >> he was delivering pizza when police believe he was murdered, 27-year-old nathan leone from commerce city was shot. his car was found near east 50th avenue in denver, his body turned up miles away in golden off south runy road. >> someone called from a pay phone at this sapp brother's gas station near 270 and 49th
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avenue. told dominos to deliver a pizza to 50th and forest, a desserted corner an industrial part of denver. police later found his body 18 miles away in golden. family members tell 9 news he was shot in the chest. >> people find anything suspicious in any of those areas, you need to call police immediately. >> leone worked two jobs, worked hard, long hours and leaves behind a wife and three daughters. >> he was an amazing -- i can't express. >> he was amazing. >> wonderful, what a good father and husband he was to my sister. please, help us find who did this to my brother-in-law, so we can have justice, please. >> nathan leone was married, a father of three, he worked two jobs, worked days as a library assistant for ibm in boulder and nights for dominos delivering
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pizzas to make extra money for his family. that young dad -- the details of his murder were inexplicable at the time. why kill him? lure him out into the middle of nowhere, the moving of his body. what emerged is that what was likely to be the crucial explanatory detail for why he was killed was something that was taken from him once he was killed. something that turned up four days later two states away, but not before someone else was murdered as well. the young father was killed on a sunday, sunday march 17th, two days after that, tuesday march 19th at 8:47 p.m. local time, a woman in the town of monument colorado called 911, she was distraught, told the 911 dispatcher that someone rang the doorbell at her home, her husband answered the door, and the person shot her husband in the chest. he died on the scene, died in his wife's arms.
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>> a man has been shot in the chest, not conscious, not breathing. someone rang the doorbell, the husband was shot. >> suspect was not still on the scene. a dark boxy shaped two-door sedan had been seen running on the street around the time of the shooting. by the time authorities showed up, the car was gone. the man who opened his door and was shot that night was tom clemens, the head of the department of colorado corrections. he was killed on tuesday march 19th of last year, so he was killed exactly a year ago told. and for two days after his killing, it was absolutely baffling and frightening. and it was possible, of course, that this was just a random killing, maybe it was a personal matter of some kind. but his job as the head of the prisons in the state and the fact that he was killed on his doorstep by someone who did nothing on the scene other than kill him, it frankly made it feel like an assassination.
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and assassinations of public officials in this country are rare. yes, we've had our share. i think i said at the time when we were covering this murder, being a public serve an the in the united states, takes the kind of bravery we usually associate with having the courage of your convictions. we don't usually expect that being a public official is something that requires actual physical bravery. but this appeared to be an assassination, tom clemens was killed march 19th, a year ago today. two days after he was killed, that boxy shaped two-door sedan that had been seen idling on tom clemens' street the night of the shooting turned up two states over in texas. this footage we're going to show you is not bloody, but you may find it upsetting. a black cadillac deville. a sheriff's deputy tried to pull that car over for a traffic stop. he pulled over, and opened fire
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on the deputy. shot him in the chest, the shoulder and in the forehead. the deputy survived. miraculously, although he was seriously injured, he now has a titanium plate in his head. he told the denver post this week, even though he was reinstated as a deputy a year later, he's not sure he is going to be able to continue in this line of work. it's a miracle he survived. after the driver shot deputy boyd, he sped off, led police on a chase through texas. ultimately the driver of that cadillac deville crashed that car into an 18 wheeler, even after crashing the car the driver got himself out of the vehicle, and went down still shooting at police, police returned fire, they shot the driver, he died of his injuries later in a nearby hospital. the shooter's name was evan ebol. he had been released three months earlier from the colorado state prison system, he had been released direct from solitary confinement into the street. he had cut off his ankle
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monitoring bracelet a week before, his parole officer didn't notice or get around to issuing an arrest warrant for him cutting off his monitoring bracelet until he was killed in that shootout. when they searched evan's car in texas, they found weapons, ammunition, found what ballistics tests later showed to be the gun that was used to kill tom clemens. and that gun that was used to kill tom clemens was the same gun that was used to kill the young father two days before, nathan leon. two days before tom clemens in that case, that otherwise made absolutely no sense, it was the same gun. it was the same guy. they also found in evan ebol's car, a domino's pizza delivery uniform, presumably the one that belonged to mr. leone, which was not found with his body. and so there is the connection
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between those two crimes, right? it is presumed the man who worked for dominos was killed at least in part to get that uniform and that uniform may have been used as part of a ruse to get tom clemens to open the door of his home in monument when the doorbell rang, to open the door of his home to someone he did not recognize. that all happened exactly a year ago today, and it was baffling and it was upsetting. colorado governor john hickenlooperer made the emotional announcement that his cabinet member tom clemens had been killed. hundreds of people turninged out for his memorial service. the public pleaded with the public for information. the department of corrections honored tom clemens. authorities knew who had pulled the trigger on tom clemens and nathan leone, they knew it was evan ebol who died in that shootout. very clearly that was not the end of it. evan ebol was known to be a
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member of a prison gang, a white supremacist colorado prison gang called the 211 crew. did he kill the head of the corrections department and nathan leone on his own? or did he do it on orders from someone? in august, the denver post reported that a source with direct access to sealed court documents in the case, and with direct knowledge of the investigation had told the paper that after evan ebol was paroled, after he was let out last january, his cell phone records showed he was in frequent contact with members of the 211 crew. gang members gave him money to buy a car, got him his license plate for that car and helped him arrange the theft and murder in which evan ebol shot leone and stole the domino's uniform many ebol drove to colorado springs at a state house arranged by gang members the source said, investigators believe. and when he was heading for texas two days later, investigators have concluded that he was driving to the home
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of a paroled 211 crew member who lived south of dallas. denver post also reports that evan ebol made 23 calls in 24 hours to other members of the gang. including the hours immediately before and immediately after he shot and killed tom clemens, so the authorities have been incredibly tight lipped about what happened here, tom clemens' widow released a statement saying investigators gave her husband no information about her husband's killing. and it's been a year. the denver post reporting is correct, there's not much question that this assassination wasn't just the work of one man, that gang members at least helped plan the initial theft of that domino's uniform, that they provided the hiding place for him, that they provided the vehicle, that they provided constant advice and direction, they had given him a place
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outside colorado to flee to. here's the thing, though. the dominos uniform and the gun that killed nathan leone and tom clemens, those were not the only things found in evan ebol's car when it crashed in texas. the evidence recovery log of items transferred from evan's car when it crashed that day included miscellaneous bomb making materials, bomb making instructions, also a roll of duct tape and zip ties. he had already killed two people at this point, the first one as a means toward killing the second one. in which case, what was the bomb for? what was next? who was he going after with the bomb? who was he going to tie up with the zip ties? what else was found there was a hit list, which on the occasion of the one-year anniversary of these crimes now, kirk mitchell is newly reporting details of,
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one year after this apparent assassination in colorado government official now tells the denver post that more than 20 public officials were on a hit list that was found with evan ebel when he was killed in texas. one federal official who says he was named on that hit list, said he never had anything to do with evan ebel. my name was one of the names on the list. i didn't know evan ebel and i had no contact with him. it would make no sense for evan ebel to be going after this public official. he had no personal connection to him. why did that official end up on this hit list? we don't know, of course. but the official who says he's on the hit list, who said he had nothing to do with evan ebel. he told the denver post, although he never crossed paths with evan ebel. he did have some involvement with hamaidan al turkey.
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he was sentenced to hard time in the state of colorado, who vigorously contested his innocence, trying to get moved home to saudi arabia to serve out the rest of his sentence there. his request to go home to saudi arabia was denied. one of the people who says he's on the hit list says he did have an involvement in that case. the denver post says the fbi has been investigating any financial transactions between that prisoner and this gang. this 211 crew. mr. al turkey has denied any involvement in tom clemens' murder, his lawyer has called any speculation to the contrary outrageous, and rightly so. mr. al turkey is only circumstantially linked to these murders. but that's all. it's only circumstantial and it could very well be a co ins denls of timing, but where did that hit list come from?
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and if there are more than 20 people, more than 20 bubble officials on that hit list, some of whom had no conceivable connection to the killer, who put those names on the hit list for him. and if evan ebel assassinated a high ranking official and was killed in the midst of killing 20 others? why is it the only person prosecuted in this case is the young woman who was the apparent patsy in this case, who made the purchase for him to get his gun. no one is guilty until they are proven to be guilty. in this case, it's approaching the level of inconceivable, that no one is guilty except evan ebel. as of tonight it's been one year, and the angle from tom clemens' widow is palpable and very, very understandable. >> i'm angry that it's a year later and we don't know any more
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about why than we did 12 months ago, it's incredibly frustrating. i think 48 hours after tom was murdered, we heard that the individual who came to our home and committed that murder was caught and was -- now it's a year later, and that's still all the conclusive information that we have. i think we know the who? we know the individual, and so we know at least one aspect. but we do not know why. we don't know who participated with him, we don't know who financed him, we don't know who supported him in his planning. it is very difficult for me to believe that he planned and
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orchestrated and financed this act himself. i heard that he had a list of individuals, and that tom was on that list. and i am so grateful that he wasn't able to carry out any of the rest of the names on the list. >> there are more than 20 public officials on the hit list. who wrote that hit list. who was working with evan ebel. why has there been no information from the authorities. why did these murders happen? were more people in danger? are more people in danger? the story unfolded very quickly a year ago between the two murders in the roadside shootout in texas. since then, the widow of tom clemens has learned nothing new, why is that and how does that make sense one year later? more on that just ahead. stay with us. our clients need a lot of attention.
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i'm angry that it's a year later and we don't know any more about why than we did 12 months ago. it's incredibly frustrating. i think 48 hours after tom was murdered, we heard that the individual who came to our home and committed that murder was caught and was -- and now it's a year later, and that's still all the conclusive information that we have. a year ago today the commissioner of colorado state department of corrections was shot to death at his own front door at home. authorities believe that was carried out by evan ebel. he was shot two days later by law enforcement in texas. a hit list found includes 20 officials, some of whom had no
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connection to that killer at all. what is going on with this investigation and is the anger of tom clemens' widow justified as it seems? joining us now is kirk mitchell. reporter for the denver post. thank you for helping us understand this case. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> from your reporting, we learned -- we have learned everything from the press in this case, we've learned almost nothing from public officials who said nothing about the case since it initially broke open, from your reporting does it appear to you that they think investigators think evan ebel didn't act alone here? >> they have filed arrest warrant affidavits, search warrant affidavits, in which they have indicated a theory of what happened. ben davis is the founder of the 211 crew, the white supremacist gang, and he and evan ebel were
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at the same prison in sterling, colorado, the sterling correctional facility, while they were there a threat was made to evan ebel that somebody for whatever reason reason, thed to get him and filed threats against him. davis stepped in for him and protected him. after he did so, though, he made it clear to evan ebel that he would need to do something for him. there was -- in prison it's always this for that. nothing is free. and when ben davis, the leader of the 21 1 crew steps in for you, he's going to expect you to stand up for him as well. >> is there any reason to believe that the 211 crew as an entity, or mr. davis, who is sort of the head of that prison gang would have, for his own reasons or for the gang's own reasons drawn up the hit list
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that you said in the denver post with more than 20 officials on it, some of whom it seems aren't connected specifically top evan ebel. >> this prison gang has, through various means transferred hit lists for as long as ben davis has been operating. and he's actually serving more than a life sentence for conspiracies in the past in which he targeted other inmates, staff members and it follows the same pattern, besides names of -- they'll send code. and beside the name of intended hits, nay eel put 187, which is police code for a murder. and the 211 crew itself is the name for robbery. and it's this prison gang's forte to rob not a bank but other prisoners in prison.
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very violent gang. they have a long history of asalting other people and a racist group. >> is law enforcement going to make further public statements about what's going on? it was very striking when your paper aired that video interview with tom clemens' widow saying she's learned everything she's learned about this case from the press and not from investigators at all. do you expect that they will become a little more explanatory with the public and the victims' families about the status of their investigation? >> not until the investigation is complete. today, it's not unusual that police will not release details of their investigation, their findings. strongly believe that that would
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impede the investigation. and it may tip people off that they should be hiding or avoiding authorities and what they're looking at. so it's not unusual, and i've been assured by the el paso county sheriff's office, that when they reach a point in time when they know one way or the other, they're going to let us know. it could be through an indictment. >> this story has just been riveting. kirk, thank you for helping us understand it. thank you. >> thank you, rachel.
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