he said i would like to inform the house that new, incredible information has come to light in relation to the search for flight 370. well, by then air and sea assets were heading to the area. the debris was seen with the 7th fleet. and pc-3s, all three of those craft have pretty highly sophisticated spotting equipment. there was a flurry of simultaneous ehaven't around 5 oomt 30 a.m. east coast time. the p-8 turned back after hours of searching, having found nothing, the petersburg was diverted and reached the area, and a daily briefing was held in kuala lumpur.

officials confirmed what they are calling a credible lead and cause for hope. >> every effort is being made to collect the image seen. these sitings, while credible, are still to be confirmed. >> many family members watched that news conference together in a beijing hotel, even as a makeshift medical center was, with increases concerns about the stress of this excruciating wait taking a heavy toll. kerry sanders has been following this throughout the night. so, kerry, as we're quick -- and finding it from a surveillance plane are two very different things, get us up to speed on the latest. there was a general confidence that somehow was spotted on the satellite pictures the wo pieces would be found rather easily by the p-8 and p-3 aircraft.

that does not prove to be the case. first of all, this is the general target area here where they are looking, so they're flying out of the perth. as we go to the next map, you can see the area we are talking about is around 11500 miles to the southwest of perth. it's important to note while that's the search area, the debris it's believed they may have found is just to the south of that. a bit outside of the target areas. while they were looking for this debris, for the moment -- the p-8 aircraft, which is called a po siden, and the p-8, which are called the orion, have all

returned. remember, it's 10:00 a.m. here in the east coast, but it's 10:00 p.m. on the time zone really there in perth. though quite frankly the hour being nighttime does not affect their ability to look, because the radar can see at day or night, but really the disappointment is that there was a general belief this was a very big break and that they were going to find something relatively quickly. of course, that has not happened. >> one of the things we heard at this press conference, this part of the indian ocean does indeed contain large pieces of debris, for example, somebody that might have fallen off a container ship. >> remember, they're looking at satellite pictures, which are somewhat fuzzy, at the end of the day, we are getting the pictures they're looking at. yes, this is a lot of garbage that floats out into the ocean.

container ships are constantly making their way around. the sea state right now is 9 feet, it can be rougher there, and very often things get washed overboard. it's not as if a cargo ship can retreat it. once it goes over, it becomes the garbage that floats out there. to give you an idea of what they have found already, if we go into the bay of bengal -- and let me take you on the map here real quickly so you can get an idea where they had been searching previously. if you look at the map earlier, they were well up here in the bay of bengal. the p-3 and the p-8 working in that area, they targeted more than 400 suspicious items floating in the water, things that they thought might be debris, and all of that turned out to be garbage. so it points out two things. one, their ability to find things floating on the sursfas,

and two, an ability to define what they're seeing on the surface, and either count it as debris or more importantly just count it off as garbage. so as they are looking now to the south, they have a high degree of confidence that they'll find something that's there, and they'll go to the next level of determining what it might be. >> kerry sanders, thank you. i want to bring if retired aviation analyst hager and tom bunn, good to have both of you here. picking up on what kerry said, robert, if they are able to spot something, because we know the likelihood is they will send the p-3s and p-8s out in our night time, how long will they take to figure out -- >> you might not be able to tell from the air right away. i think some of the reports from the planes that did get out to the scenes today, we're talking

about poor visibility, rain, things like that, that would also hinder your effort to see it from the air, but the first thing is radar. then try to get some craft down lower where you can get a closer look. all of this, i mean, if they find these pieces again, all this is going to take a lot of time. it will require patience on the part of our viewers and everyone here that have been following it, the poor relatives in southeast asia, but it is a straw of hope. if this does turn out to a piece of the plane, it may have drifted miles from where it -- but if they fijd it, its a possible break in the case. >> one of the things this p-8 can do, it can drop down, take some high-resolution images that can be sent back for analysis, but again that's not going to happen in the next few hours,

and again patience here. but let me ask you, tom, these objects that were spotted would be consistent with where the ntsb led searchers to go, essentially. we had had this enormous field search area, which they were able to bring down to a more manageable size. how closer are you to -- >> the area is huge. that's unfortunate. we just don't have enough ability to yeah, this is -- this is a huge job. >> we know there was some kind of debris out there. there's something that showed up on the satellite images. if it was there and not anymore, if they can't find it, even all this sophisticated equipment. which has this huge span of

visibility, chakd have happened? was it something that would have floated for just a short period of time, robert if but don't think it's going to be something meaningful. >> meaning the plane? erchlts yes, meaning the plane. while that is not meaningful itself, the important thing is that it gets you in the area. eventually you want so gnarl so there. that would be the next job. if you get a lead here, start trawling with a sonar and listening devices. >> because presumably, we know there's been a storm there, the

seas are pretty high. if this piece that is floating, it could have moved a long distance in forour five days and the black boxes or main part of the plane could be far off. >> could be much different. if the fuel was exhausted in the plane before it hit the water, the tanks are empty. that would be something to keep the tank afloat. if this were a wing, the tanks being empty in the wing could keep it afloat, so i think there's a good chance, if that's what it is, they'll find it. >> maybe that's the reason for their optimism. wee projecting here, but the size of this was something close to 80 feet. isn't that shy of how big a wing would be, right? >> no, that does lead you to believe it might indeed be a piece of the wing. >> at least in size. and the depth of the indians ocean there, about i guess 13,000 feet for the estimate. how much of a challenge does

that present? >> huge. there have been past crashes. they've got debris that's been brought up from 2 1/2 miles down, i think twice from what i remember in history, once even more than that, but once a decade or something do they dredge up something from that deep. that presents a lot of chalenings, yeah. >> i don't think technologically there's any question these planes are the best hope for finding this debris. obviously the stye images leading them to the right area, but ships from australia, new zealand are also en route, how do they fit into this search? >> i think you will have to have these various resources be covering slightly different areas. when they do a search, as someone said it's like mowing your lawn, you go up one swath, then turn around and come back. they will assign different swaths to the different

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♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ whatever is or is not found in the newly intense multinational search for the missing jetliner over the indian ocean, the big question which has yet to be answered is why. there isn't even a clue right now to a motive, why the 777's communications system would be turned off and why divert the plane thousands of miles

off-course. this is day two for the fbi officially leading effort to retrieve deleted files from the flight simulator. for the look at what's next, i'm joined by former atf special agent in charge jim cavanaugh. thanks very much for joining us. good to see you, jim. >> good morning, chris. >> let's start with the idea this is a criminal investigation. once you make that assessment that that's a likelihood, where do you go? >> there's a whole lot of tracks that move on the criminal side. i would point out, though, in fire investigations, explosive investigations, airplane tragedies like this, the investigation always moves on parallel tracks, because we don't know the cause. is it an accident al like a fir? and the ntsb, fbi, atf, that's the way we run command posts for these major events. we move on parallel tracks, because we go after leads on the criminal side doesn't mean we're

abandoning the accidental side. i would just let viewers understand that. on the criminal size, there's really three scenarios that have to be said as major lead categories. those are a pilot did it, a polite complicit, the other is hijackers, and pilot for a sue myomotor. a pilot complicit in a criminal motive, like financial, greed, terrorism, revenge. hijackers with no pilot involvement, and maybe a pilot suicide. so those would be the lead categories you would set to try to uncover what happened. >> what's confounding for people is the fact that, especially if you're looking at hijackers or, you know, you're looking at some sort of financial motive, we haven't ahead any claim of responsibility, we haven't heard any requests for ransom. that would seem, after 13 days, to eliminate it, so we know that

there's an intense focus on the pilot and copilot. the reason the fbi has gotten these computers is because they're looking at whether or not these deleted files from the flight simulator from the pilot, among other things could tell them something. what specifically are they looking for? >> right. well, they look for specifically in the flight simulator in track, flight path that would be like where the plane flew. i mean, if this is the debris from the plane, like at the place in the world where it is. it's in one of the most remote spots on earth. if we're running a command post with that, the question you're asking your investigators is who would file a flight plan to oblivion? is that someone with a financial motive? a terrorist motive? a revenge motive? a suicide motive? who wants to fly to this place? even if there were more fuel,

where would it go? those are questions that investigators have to deal with. we talk so much about speculation, but in the command post we have reasonable deduction. we use it all the time to take us where we want to go. i would say the reason we're on this debris off the australian coast is because of the reasonable deduction made by the ntsb and the navy, and the investigators, because they took the satellite pings, they took the fuel load, the known weather conditions, and they said, hey, we ought to look here. someone may call that speculation, but in that case, i would call that reasonable deduction. we do that that all the time, or you would never get anywhere. >> i want to bring in al johnson, an expert in computer examination, and certified flight instructor. good to have you. so let's go back to the fbi's involvement in this. the first thin an uninformed

person can see asks when you're looking for deleted files is, is everything retrievable? is it possible to really wipe a hard drive? >> first of all, it is possible to completely wipe a hard drive if an individual chooses to do so. everything on a drive is not retrievable. a lot of it depends on the type of drive that we're talking about. if we're talking about the standard magnetic drive that has spindles and disks, anything that would deleted a month ago probably is retrievable. if we're talking about the new technology, ssd or solid state drives, the chances of retrieving deleted files on such drives are minimal at best, and might even be impossible. >> we do know it was about a month ago that some of these

files were deleted. what kind of drive it is, i haven't seen that anywhere. so let's also look at a timeline. let's assume it's something that is at least to some extent recoverable. when might they have a general read? when would a more in-depth analysis be available? >> a lot of when -- a lot of the timeline questions are best answered once the data is recovered. normally within a few hours you could recover certainly types of information. in this particular case, you would want, if the file is deleted, you would want an intact deleted file primarily because once you have recovered the file, it has to have enough integrity so it can play back through the simulator which would give you the entire route that was programmed into the profile and you're actually flying it -- it's almost like a video game. you're retracing the route

itself. finding fragments or remnants of the file may be of worthless value, in that such a file may not be playable. we know there's a special unit within the fbi, al, that handles this kind of thing. would it be fair to say they're among the best in the world? >> the c.a.r.t. examiner of the fbi are the best on the planet. >> so if it's going to be found, it's going to be found by them. the question is, can they do it? and what will it show us. al johnson, and jim cavanaugh, gentlemen, thank you both. so breaking news out of the washington, d.c., president obama we have just learned, will make a statement about ukraine coming up at 11:00 eastern time. yesterday, of course, he said military involvement was off the table, but we also know that european officials are talking about getting tougher on

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delaying a trip out of town to make a statement about ukraine, coming up at 11:00. the timing is very interesting. we know that european leaders have been considering additional sanctions against russia. i want to bring in nbc news mark murray, our senior political editor. mark, what are we expecting to hear from the president? >> chris, i think you touched on it just right. it probably has to do with sanctioning coming from european countries. we don't know exactly what the president will be able to say, but the last statement he made was regarding the sanctions that the united states has been taken to the russian individuals. we might end up seeing what the rest of europe deciding to do.

as everyone knows very well, a lot of europe gets its natural gas from russia, but the more unified the west is with the united states and europe, vis-a-vis what vladimir putin and russia are doing, does seem to isolate him despite the bellicose actions that they have taken so far. >> we have been talking all along that a critical voice in all of this week angela merkel, who at first seemed to be somewhat hesitant for certainly economic reasons, her country being a major trading partner, seemed to be hesitant to go too far with economic sanctions. there have been some indications over the last 24 hours or so, that she may be willing to go a little farther? >> absolutely. it did seem that german is is pretty fed up with what's going on in russia and the situation in crimea. it will be important to see if president obama is talking about the sanctions particularly the sanctions that they are behind

as well. it will be interesting to see how far they go, one of the things that they might decide is we are going to take these additional sanctions, if anything else happens beyond the annexation of crimea, which we have already seen. so the language that the president uses, the sanctions, who it's coming from, and how unified the entire west is, i think is one of the important things to watch. >> one of the things we heard yet was a reiteration, that a military option is not on the table. but also, you know, you looked into sending united states forces into crimea, a region where russia had already had a very important naval base, very strong ties to, and now we're all talking about economics. >> and we're going to talk a lot more about this with former

ambassador ginsburg coming up. thank you, mark. >> thanks, chris. back to the missing plane. the satellite imagery is really only the starting point. a team of scientists and meteorologists are using these images to build models. veronica johnson is following this situation. give us a sense of house these scientists are working. >> sure, they're really not just looking at the surface winds, but the wave heights more importantly what the forecast will be for not just the next 24, but 36 they could catch a break tomorrow. here the winds off the coast of australia, way over here africa. these are the westerly winds on the very southern side of the indians ocean. and that's the strong westerly

winds here that it's my belief that has taken that debris field and put it closer to australia. let's look at the wave heights. the wave heights today have been at around ten feet. a look at the forecast, advancing it not just through the weekend, but into the early part of next week, the wave heights are expected to go up to about 16 to 20 feet. of course that could really hinder and slow down the efforts in the indian ocean. here's a look at the wave heights there are areas shaded in orange. that's where they are expected to be the strongest. more importantly ifz an infrared/satellite loop for you. as they go forward, an even in the next couple hours, that debris field could start making its move toward the east and northeast. as they start looking at perhaps where it originated, they may, chris, be looking more towards

the coast of africa. >> you just realize how huge the search area is, veronica johnson, thank you very much. even the suggestion that debris from the plane might have been spotted has officials at malaysian airlines already preparing to move families to australia just in case. whatever happens, experience from other crashes shows that working with loved ones may well continue for some time. >> my sympathies, my heart is with them all the time. it's a very difficult time. as el spoke to the french team, they had to deal with the families of the passengers for two years after the crash of the french airlines. >> the partner of one of the americans on board, philip woods, said it's been an agonizing 13 days. this big of news is not a comfort. >> i heard about -- must have been about 3:00 this afternoon, a friend called me with the

information, and i don't think i stopped shaking since. now this just throws it all up in the air again. >> it was clear yesterday that the frustration and anger was pushing some family members to the breaking point. a mother whose son was on the flight had to be dragged out of the briefing room. keir simmons joins us from kuala lumpur. i understand you're outside a meeting where the families are. what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, i have been outside the meeting. we still have our producers out there. it was about 45 minutes, i would say, a number of families there. they had families gathered in different hotels around kuala lumpur, but actually they have all come together in this room to talk about what the findings are so far, about the news, and i understand what to do next. it's clearly an important

meeting. you can understand that given the importance of the news today. many are considering whether or not to move to australia, whether that's the right thing to do, how they would do that. clearly it's difficult, chris, because they don't know for sure what it is that's been discovered. they don't know how long it would take to find the debris that's been discovered. all all. without involved to move the location and everybody. so very, very different for them. that's what's being discussed. they also will likely get a briefing more on what was found, to be fair, the authorities have tried to give families briefings even before the news had been announced. some of them did phone calls, i understand. but they have been trying to keep them informed despite those things that you saw yesterday with the chinese mother coming to the news conference, trying

to talk to journalists, and being pulled away, and breaking down, and really just heartbreaking scenes. despite that and some complaints that they are not being -- as well as they might like to, complaints they feel like they're not being informed enough. really one appointance, was singing -- outside the various hotels, where the relatives are staying just in case the news -- the worst news comes and some people can't cope. >> keir simmons outside that family meeting that's going on in. coming up, how the search has captivated the world, especially on social media, and why we are all so fascinated by this story. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband?

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this was the largest search in aviation history. it sparked an intense following. including an explosion of theories. now, in one case -- online search, using the digital globe website, where you could basically look at satellite images grid by grid to we're joichbd by -- and vice chairman. what's your sense? why such a strong reaction? >> it's two weeks into this, chris, and it's exploding on social media. one of the reasons is we have this great mystery in the world, something like the tv show "lost." i always tell people we live in this world no privacy, we're very transparent.

and the second part is that it's interactive. it's not just that we watch people and that's a huge factor that we can participate. we're going to digital sites, we're searching ourselves, starting tribute pages for the families. it's that two-way communication. >> you and i have talked about how we are such an instant gratification society, so we tend to move from story to torrie to story. how unusual is it for interests to just keep growing for this? >> it's astounding. we just don't see stories that seems to perhaps last this long. people are fascinated. traditional tv ratings are through the roof. social media. it's hard to talk about positive

or negative. what we do see is incredible volume, a lot of love, a lot of sympathy for the families, a lot of people wanting to help. some people a little misguided -- courtney love, but probably in the right spirit. so we appreciate that, i think. >> robert hager, you've been covering crashes for 25 years, i think you and i would agree this is an extraordinary amount of global interest. what do you think is behind it? >> the interest i think it's the unsolved mystery, and it's a shame for people who are white knuckle flyers. but you notice if i can say something that's brutal, just as a journalist and knowing how high editors would react, if you had a full planeload of people, three americans, about be yond nobody beyond that american,

that story if the plane had crashed and it's a spot on the evening news, maybe for one night, and then that's sort of the end of it in terms of american news cycle interest we're almost two weeks out now. >> do you think it's we can all relate to it. pretty much everyone flies, and you don't want to think whether it's consciously or subconsciously, in this day and age that a plane as big as a 777 can just sort of disappear off the face of the earth. >> and here we haven't had an incident like this in decades where a plane disappeared like this. the last i heard the odds of being in a crash are like 20 million to one. the odds of being on a plane that completely disappears like this are infinitesimal. but the day in and day out coverage, people thinking about it, for sure that raises

anxieties. >> howard, you mentioned the interactive, how much railroad seeing in terms of this online search effort? >> well, digital globe, which is a place you can go and actually look at grids, and it's a huge area. it's the size of continents there. 3 million hits, which is astounding, which is astounding, and i'll say a couple things, the wisdom of crowds is good if enough people see something in one area, i think that's important for the authorities to note, but i would also say that what the authorities see and what governments are see has much more clarity and much more definition that what we are seeing on the internet. and i'm very hopeful with what the australian government found. it would give some resolution to the families.

that's obviously important. >> robert was just pointing out, for example in the case of twa 800, when you have the word "conspiracy" that always adds interest. that's still going on, the speculation there. good to see both of you. thank you. up next, we've been telling you that president obama is getting ready to make a statement on ukraine at the top of the next hour, ambassador mark ginsburg joins us next. salesperson #2: actually, we're throwing in a $1,000 fuel reward card. we've never done that. that's why there's never been a better time to buy a passat tdi clean diesel. husband: so it's like two deals in one? avo: during the salesperson #2: first ever exactly. volkswagen tdi clean diesel event, get a great deal on a passat tdi, that gets up to 795 highway miles per tank. and get a $1000 dollar fuel reward card. it's like two deals in one. hurry in and get a $1,000 fuel reward card and 0.9% apr for 60 months on tdi models. predibut, manufacturings a prettin the united states do. means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented.

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glue this was the last-minute add to the president's schedule. coming up in less than ten minutes. >> we are not going to be getting into a military curse in the ukraine. what we are going to do is mobilize all or diplomatic resource to make sure we have a

strong coalition that sends a clear message. but they're drawing up plans to evacuate 25,000 military members and their families to main-led ukraine. let me bring in former ambassador to morocco ambassador ginsburg. what would you sxekd to hear. >> likely sgebs the key people involved in this annexation. there are major oligarchs. if they are sanctioned, they do most of the business with the west. placing sanctions on them will be a huge shy insofar as their relationships and ability to continue to make money and ability to keep paying putin

off. >> so that's what we are talking about, the flow of money from the billionaires that could be cut off to putin, and that's -- >> if we understand what putin is, he's -- for all intents and purposes, he is aenchally trying to reestablish the kremlin as the major piggy bank for all of these oligarchs and vice versa. >> they have shown little sign of using some sort of financial penalties that are serious enough that some analysts are saying enough to change the behavior. >> the goose that lays the golden egg is germany. it's one thing politically for chancellor merkel to support the president and try to in effect influence putin's behavior. it's an entirely different thing for her economic supporters, her key businessmen who have close ties to russia to be willing to do this. you're goods to be a nuance ed

minu minuet here. >> this is the mind-set that many people believed that putin has that essentially they don't get enough second. and there's been talk about when he cared if he got booted from the g-8, for example? >> i don't think he cares. he's trying to reestablish the 21st century verse of an iron curtain. and more importantly and most importantly, there are whole countries in eastern europe that are under his dictatorial control. belarus, mold dova, and the nato countries on the eastern flank, poland, the baltic states that are most concerned. why, chris?

he made it very clear that his mission is to defend russian-speaking populations wherever they may be. that to me is an invitation for him to basically engage in this sort of behavior. >> let mess ask you really quickly. at one point yesterday we saw russian forceses reportedly seizing a commander in the navy from his own headquarters. they have rereesed limb now. russians storm several ukrainian military facilities. there potential for a military showdown? >> absolutely. just like what happened between the georgians and russians, putin may very well be looking for this. ambassador ginsburg, thank you for coming in. that's going to wrap up this hour. next on "news nation" tamron will pick up coverage on the president's statement. i'll see you back here tomorrow. we asked people a question,

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good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall.

this is "newsnation." developing now we are expecting remarks from president obama on this crisis in ukraine. the president will speak on the white house south lawn before he heads to florida to focus on higher education. you might recall the president ruled out any u.s. military action in this crisis. his remarks, though come as russia announced just today it will increase its military presence in crimea to protect, quote, against all possible encroachments in the region. it's now moving to annex. also at last report an uneasy standoff continues at a major ukrainian army catch and another air force base in crimea. russian soldiers have been patrolling while ukrainian troops remain barricaded inside. now there are fears that russia could seize more territory in eastern ukraine, where there is a large russian population. nbc news white house correspondent kristin welker

joins us. before you tell us about what we're expecting from the president, secretary of state john kerry was asked what the response would be if russia invades eastern ukraine. kerry emphasized diplomacy. so we're likely to hear from the president as it relates to russia's possible movement further. >> that's right. the administration continues to insist they want to move along a diplomatic track. he spoke about ukraine, announced the first round of sanctions. what we don't know specifically is what president obama will say when he comes out in just a few minutes. we anticipate it will be the next step. the first round of sanctions, of course, against seven individuals. this could potentially be a broadening of that, sanctioning against more individuals, possibly sanctions against institutions. these sanctioning, if that is what president obama announces, will likely take a bigger bite.

but of course the question is will it be enough to stop putin? the big concern on the part of the administration is he will go