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satellite in the southern indian ocean. we should stress that we don't yet know if it's actually part of the plane. but chinese state television has posted what it said to be a photo of the floating debris on their official verified twitter page. malaysia says ships will be sent to try to find it and verify whether this 75-foot piece of debris might be part of the plane. so far, a search for two orr objects in that same vast stretch of hoegs has turned up nothing. the new piece of debris and the two previous pieces are estimated to be fewer than 80 miles apart. the sightings have raised hopes that the missing plane that disappeared march 8th with 239 people on board might be found. just how far the area being searched is from the western coast of australia is making the search difficult. the australian prime minister calling it just about the most

inaccessible spot you could imagine on the face of the earth. it takes search planes just four hours to get there. giving them only two hours to canvas the waters before they have to turn back. add to that, just how much floating garbage there is in the ocean at any given time. >> well there is a lot of ocean debris floating around the globe continuously. and containers do fall off ships. so there are any other number of potential explanations. as to what this -- these items actually are. those who have done the technical analysis believe they're of interest in relation to the disappearance. even though it's not a definite lead, it's probably more solid than any other lead around the world. that's why so much effort and interest is being put into this search. >> at least 25 sunts right now are involved in the search for flight 370, including, of

course, the u.s. malaysia is asking the u.s. for underseas surveillance i equipment. the request came on friday when chuck hagel spoke to his malaysian counterpart. secretary hagel promised to see if the equipment was available and whether it would be mel. ful in the search. yesterday, the telegraph of london released transconsistents of the radio calls between the pilts and air traffic controllers. experts tell nbc news, all of it looks routine. for the families, the agony stretches into day 15. they're growing frustrated with the lack of any definitive news. alliance insurance has started the initial payout to the families of the missing passengers and crew. under an international convention, the airline must expedite payout without delay. joining me here in new york,

anthony roman, a former commercial and kor rat pilot. and bob hager, retired nbc news correspondent. so glad to have you here. >> nice the be with you. >> good morning. >> i want to start with you, bob. they estimate the piece of debris would be about 75 feet. is that consistent, potentially, with a part of an airplane? >> it could be. the wing is about that dimension. and, a wing if it didn't have fuel in it, might float. might float all this timing even two weeks after the accident. so, so it sure is of interest. and one thing is unclear, i mean, being only 80 miles apart if the old image they got on the satellite some type ago. could be the same piece of wreckage that floated around there all that time. >> would they have any way of guesstimated how far and where the initial images, where that

debris might have moved with the ocean currents over the period of time since the image were initially taken? >> oh, yeah, they do lots of calculating at various oceanographic institutes. often times they have been miles and miles off when they locate the wreckage. if you find a light piece like this, it doesn't tell you much about the investigation, if it is from this plane. then you try to figure out where the currents might have taken it if it with get you back to the area where the plane might have hit the water. you want to try to find the rest of the wreckage. like the black boxes. >> anthony, looking at the satellite images, how much can we tell exactly how large a piece this is. the estimate is 75 feet. how ak vat that. we see a splotch like this on a satellite image, would that definitely be at the surface of

the water or could it be right turned water? >> chances are it's at the surface of the water, crystal. they can measure satellites, debris up to the 32 feet or so. anything smaller than that becomes a little more difficult. but, it's probably not below if surface. with regard to the currents. right at the search zone, there's an easterly current. that is a debris field that travels in an oval direction at the southern quadrant of the debris field. it travels easterly and north and then back to the west. it just circles out there infin it inially. >> let's bring in kerry sanders. he has a closer look at where the possible new object is in relgs to what was spotted on thu thursday, kerry? >> i think the relationship

between the to is interesting. we see the chinese image. we look after we look at that picture, see these images here. these were released by the australian minister. and, these are two items the chinese with one item. the one that is perhaps most interesting is the larger, that may or may not be the same piece of something floating out there. let's take a look at the area that they're look. it's off of perth, australia. it's about 1500 miles southwest. now, here's the most interesting thing. we have in this particular area here, where the australians found that debris floating. the chinese image is about 79 miles southwest of where the australians saw their image. remember, this is important. there have been aircraft flying in this area here repeatedly, not only the highest tech aircraft that can look with satellite gear down. that's the p-8 from the u.s.

navy. but aircraft from new zealand, australia. ships headed in the area from china as well as merchant ships. with all of that, nobody has been able to get confirmation on radar or visually looking out the window of anything that would support what these satellite images are showing. so this is a lead, but remember, there have been other leads before that led nowhere. >> all right, thank you to kerry sanders. i want to turn to bill neely, who is live in perth, australia. what can you tell us, bill, about this possible piece of debris that the chinese satellite has detected? >> on the one hand, it's a glimmer of hope. it's a satellite image from about four days ago. it's roughly 70 feet by ho feet. it's very difficult to tell from that image, anything that is consistent with a fuselage or a

wing. i'm no aviation expert. i know some people have already been knocking this down and trying to get expectations down. we won't know. what we do know is that the third day of searching in this area has ended. six planes went out from here. the crews reported back. the visibility was poor. there was low cloud. underneath the cloud, sea fog, making finding anything on the surface of that choppy ocean really very difficult indeed. but as kerry pointed out, let's look at the positive side. reinforcements are arriving, particularly from china. china had two-thirds of the passengers on that plane. they're sending three planes, three ships, as well as a chinese ice breaker. and the crews of all these multinational planes and ships really hopeful that they'll find something. the big question is, what will they find? what is on that satellite image?

australian's prime minister yesterday damping down expectations saying the initial image that was first prap photographed on sunday could be a shipping container. australia, at the very least, trying to damp down people's hopes. >> bill, those initial images from australia came to our attention four days after the satellite images had initially been taken. do we have a sense of whether these chinese satellite images are more current or not? >> yes, they are more current. so, they are a few days more recent than the initial image, which, remember, was taken last sunday. almost a week ago. so, whatever has happened to this desbrooe bree, almost certainly, experts say, it will have drifted. as kerry pointed out, you know, it's a high-tech operation. we have a u.s. poseidon naval

plane. even on that, guys are using binoculars looking out the windows. on the sea, cargo ship crews looking with binoculars. if there is cloud or fog like there was today, it's about the skill of people, and, indeed, the luck of people just managing to see a relatively small piece of debris. this grid, which has expanded, is about the size of the fifth biggest state of the united states. new mexico. so imagine every one of those planes just drawing a very fine line down that grid. you get some idea how difficult this task is. >> thank you, bill. i want to bring back in anthony roman and bob hager. bob, what they were saying there is that there have been multiple aircraft flying over the area

where the chinese satellite images were taken. sit possible for, we're talking about human beings, look out of an airplane window, trying to spot a piece of debris, is it possible they flew over this and didn't see it? >> oh, yeah, that could be. yeah. but they're well-trained in spotting anything. any passenger who has flown across the oceans, though, when you look out the window of the plane, it's a big ocean out there. very hard to see these things. they stress using eyeballs in this case because in the first couple of days with the radar looking down, they didn't find anything. now they said, we have to have people looking through the binoculars otherwise we're not going to find it. as bill says now, if they have surface fog and so forth, lit make it tough. now it's night. we won't hear anything more until tomorrow morning our time. that will be when the planes come back from tomorrow's run. and the runs that they're going out on tonight. >> though we do expect we may get some information from the

chinese government in the next few hours. anthony, you talked about the debris field in this area and the ocean conditions in this area. it's a very remote part of the world and part of the ocean. would it be typical to have these sort of large pieces of debris floating around in this area, perhaps crapped in a current in this pa-- trapped in in this part of the ocean? >> not a lot of exploration has been done there in that part of the ocean because the weather is terrible and the associated sea state makes it terrible. that debris field consists mostly, the majority of it, is smaller debris. bottles. broken down components into a sludge field. but, you have, you know, some shipping lanes there. not many. you have some. and, cargo does fall overboard. it is mixed in with larger

debris. >> and bob, will these new images give few energy and perhaps add more resources to the search that's already ongoing in the yarea? >> i would think it would. there's so little to work on. we need some hard evidence to try to get at what caused this. it sure is important that they have this new sighting. now we have to see whether it's true or not, real. >> indeed. much more with our guests on the disappearance of flight 370 when we return. when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums! so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms.

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we have been reporting this morning on the breaking news on that missing malaysian airliner. satellite images released by china today show new possible debris found in a remote stretch of the southern indian ocean. bob hager and anthony roman

still both on set with us. anthony you have been talking about that part of the ocean. it's been called one to ever most difficult places one of the most remote places in the world. it's largely unexplored, correct? >> yes. it's largely unexplored. the ocean bottom there is really a particularly difficult place. so if it turns out that this debris is significant and a portion of the aircraft, the next phase would be to start deploying more advanced sonar buoys and side-scan sonar. and let me tell you, they're faced with a real challenge. not only are the surface sea states difficult. there are underwater volcanos, huge crevasses. it's a difficult environment. we're not looking at weeks and months searching for this aircraft, if it happens to be down there. we're look at year,s, i believe, unless they're very, very

fortunate. >> that sin credible. to that point, an incredibly intensive process. we're relying on humans and advanced teg nothichnology. chasing down these leads would take time? >> yes. the key thing would be if you pick up the pinger sound. if you don't, we have another couple of weeks. sometimes it run longer than specs say it will. if you don't get the pinger, you're into the long haul and as tony mentioned, we have the air france crash where day did find, without the pingers, the black boxes. it took two years. you're into that kind of time frame or more. you may never find them if you don't find them with the pingers. >> anthony, what are some of the reason we wouldn't be able to detect the pings? what would be the conditions that make it difficult to detect? >> that's underwater. that, you know, they're designed

to float for a little while. these new generation black boxes actually are satellite enabled so the satellite should be able to pinpoint exactly where it is as long as it,s designed, floated on the surface for a time. clearly, they were severely damaged chrks is, you know, a bit under usual. to the point where they're not working. or they're submerged. >> going back to the idea of what could have happened, possibly happened in this instance. wi are we at a place where we can rule out mechanical failure or fire or problem with the plane? or is that still a possibility on the table? >> if i switch from my commercial pilot's hat to my detective's hat, you know, what we have here is probably the deepest mystery in aviation history. but let's look at the few facts

that appear to have been stable lized in the last two weeks. that that aircraft made a standard grade left-hand turn. returned to malaysia, overflew it, following standard aviation navigation waypoints. that is an immediate indication that the flight management system, the navigation system was manually reprogrammed. we know a human being reactivated the navigation waypoints. what kuoccurred? an emergency? a fire? not likely. though the 777 has a recent history in a cockpit. a fire with egypt air at the gate. the passengers were evacuated. you know, a fire is so insidious and so fast-spreading that that aircraft would have declared an

emergency. the pilots don't waste any time with that at all. we're leaning more toward human intervention. whether passenger or pilot, unknown. the pilots have a clear history right now. nothing to suggest anything nefarious in their back ground. as an investigator, i would lean toward the theory of the passenger breeching the cockpit. that could change. >> it is such a mystery. every theory has some sort of problem. >> i think we have so little hard information to work with right now. that i think initially, we're inclined to say, it looks much more like an issue with somebody in the cockpit. goes crazy. but, uh, since nothing there has panned out in that direction of the investigation, i think we have to go back to not closing the door on the various theories about was there smoke, in not a fire? or some mechanical problem?

we have to go back to that because there is so little to work with here. >> anything is still really possible. bob, how does this compare to other aviation mysteries you have covered? >> this one is taking a lot longer. >> got you out of retirement. >> yes. even the most difficult of investigations, we're going in the third week, you said. this far out with so little to work with. so -- yeah, we're into a real mystery here. and the value of these sthijs trying to figure out what happened. you give the families some closure and so forth. the real reason for investigate something to figure out what do you need to do, generally. what lessons with you learcan y? if we don't learn more, we don't know what sort of things to go after. >> anthony, are there things we can take from this? there have been red flags raised about the ability of the passengers to travel on stolen documents and prapts etch over

some of the control that the pilots have over the plane, being able to turn off the transponders easily, for example. >> i think the pilots need to have control over the plane. this is really, you know, turning off the transponder are critical elements and components of the flight systems is a very rare occurrence. pilots need to have full control of the aircraft. let's say this, dl is no one else there. with regard to security, it has had my attention for some time. airport and aircraft security is not what most of us think it is. there have been recent and recurring serious breaches of airport operations areas, that's where the aircraft are actually located. runways. the actual terminals themselves. even, even with vehicles and armed intruders. so, it really needs to be

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their complaint in this letter. in the letter, murthy encourages congress to adopt popular gun safety measures like an assault weapons ban and universal background checks. these methods are broadly popular with the public and noncontroversial within the public health industry. with gun violence being the leading cause of death in the country, it's a fact that gun safety is a public health issue. murthy's confirmation passed a committee. but the nra's opposition has put his full confirmation in doubt. rb senators have jumped on the nra train. joining me now, msnbc contributor and former democratic governor of montana.

john stanton, washington bureau chief of buzzfeed.com. and emily suszman. thank you for being here. dr. lil llis, i wanted to start with you. you know dr. murphy personally. you have been twisting arms on capitol hill to find out what is going on here. did i get the story basically right? what is the latest going on on the hill? >> the latest going on on the hill in the wake of the vote for the department of justice nominee, there's not a broad appetite to take another difficult vote. those of us in the health community don't believe this should be a difficult vote. the american college of physicians, the american college of surgeons. the american college of emergency physicians have all public si said same and similar things that we did of doctors for america during those letter-writing campaigns. if you have been in the emergency room and you have seen a victim of a gunshot wound, if

you have been in the intensive care unit and seen someone cling to life, you understand that gun violence is a serious problem. with that being said, and his senate health committee hearing, dr. murthy was clear. he wants to tackle the chunk of chronic diseases. the 75% of health care spending that goes into pretentable illness, obesity, heart disease, diabetes. i think his focus will be trained there. >> he was quite clear in his hearings that he wanted to focus on obesity and other issues, not use the surgeon general's office as a soap box to talk about gun safety. make the case for us. one of the things the nra and the republican senators is that dr. murthy has advocated doctors to have the ability to ask patients about guns in their home. why is that important?

>> i see patients every day with depression or anxiety. if you have someone acutely depressed or thinking about suicide, you want to know if they have a firearm in the home. because it's, unfortunately, the most efficient way to complete a suicide. i'm a father of a 3 1/2-year-old. leaving loaded weapons around the house can sometimes pose a real problem to preschoolers and toddlers. they don't understand the effects of a firearm. the american academy of pediatrics is the most firm that we need the have the able to have this conversation with our patients. i don't think we should squander the first amendment for the sake of the second. >> that is one of the more absurd parts of this story. the surgeon general doesn't have anything to do with gun policy. and governor, when dr. lillis makes the case, it seems easy to

see to me. are the senators right to be this nervous about the nra? >> let's be clear here. the national republican advocacy group. they're using a wedge issue and creating this wedge issue so some of these potentially vulnerable democrats, who come from gun states, have to decide whether they'll side with if th nra in this irrational attack on a guy who is a doctor talking about health care issues. or whether they're going the say, on the margin, 1% or 2% of the people are single issue voters, which way will i go? and, i guess, sitting around this table, you say, my god, how could this be? if you take the hypocrites out of politics, ain't nobody left. so. >> nobody exkept you, right? >> well, present company excluded, of course.

>> can we replace the hypocrites with the hippocratic? >> you're asking a sflor from alaska or a senator from montana or a senator from louisiana to decide whether they're going to die in the ditch over this particular person or whether 1% or 2% of these voters might be swayed by the nra, it's a difficult call for them. i would say the nra is going to be against you because you're a democrat. democrat, you understand me? i've been a supporter of the second amendment and the nra has screwed me on every single election i have been in. get used to it. i was re-elected with 6 a% plus. >> politicians are scared of the notes the nra, the cards they send out. a lot of members support universal background checks.

when they send out the post card with the endorsed candidate, none of the context or detail is in there. it's just this person supports the second amendment. that one doesn't. do you thing it's justified for red state democrats to have terror of this issue? >> on this one, sure. the surgeon general is a by and large a bit of a ceremonial position. they don't have a lot of authority. they set an agenda for the country. after they got rid of the filibuster, now it makes the democrats the guys that have to make these decisions. before, they could say republicans have a filibuster. we couldn't bring up the nomination we wanted to. they never got put on the hook. now they have to vote for it or against it. if they vote for it, they're going get that card. for the democrats, it's a bit of a no-brainer. this one we don't want to fight over. we were not going to fight over your civil rights nominee.

we're sure not going to do this one. >> i would take note with that. i disagree. i think the governor brought up a great point. if you want to get in the fight and frame it versus the nra, that may be a turfer fight. against the card. against second amendment. but reframe it. reframe it with the points you were just making. say this is really, i will not have this conversation controlled by the nra. i can say gun. you know, it's not like a dirty word. we can talk about serious safety precaution. serious things. but i would thing that somebody like joe manchin? a state like west virginia, if the next surgeon general wants to talk about obesity as him none one shy, i think that's a safe thing for joe manchin to be talking about. >> the democrats have periodically stuck their heads up and said, i'm going to fight the nra. a lot of them have lost.

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>> i'm not sure that he is. the republicans will be united against him. a couple of democrats broke last week with the president. there are senators up for re-election who are not going want to vote for somebody who is this committed to taking away or second amendment rights. >> that was a senator being asked if dr. vivek murthy would pass. one of the problems here and one of the ways democrats explain the challenge is you have a number of voters who have single-issue second amendment voters. when i decided to run for congress, the first anything my dad asked me was where i stood on the second amendment. you don't have as many folks on the other side who are single-issue gun safety voters. you know you're losing a certain chunk of the electorate.

>> let's take another issue. pro life, pro choice. it's the same kind of thing. you have a number of people who are so called pro life, against a woman's right to choose. and they're single issue voters. a lot of pro choice people are not single-issue voters. >> i kould would say it's more balanced. >> i'm giving you another one. when it comes to guns, it says a lot more than just guns. in these square states, it's about culture. and they're saying, is she one of us? or not? that's what you ran into even with your father, which is, you know, his buddies are going to ask, the first question -- >> i'm pretty sure he voted for me. >> and he can honestly tell his buddies, ya, she knows about guns. i taught her to shoot, right? >> exactly. >> this is about culture. if you want to run a gun ad, run one with you as a father,

showing your daughter, who is 12 years old, how to sight in a rifle. that's all about chuulture. >> my dad is an nra member, supporter, who singthinks we sh have things like universal background chebcks. he was upset when a guns and ammo magazine had something talking about gun safety who was fired for his effects. we have a situation in the country where you can't say anything on guns no matter how noncontroversial. >> and it will put a chilling effect on presidential appointments. you have seen incredibly bright physicians come up for posts. and dawn berwick is the another

one. to look at the career of a dr. berwick or a dr. murthy. they've dedicated their lives to make health care better for americans. you utter the wrong word and you're out? >> it's more outrageous in this case. he was doing his job. advocating for public health. with the levels of gun death in the country, it's an undeniable fact. you have been working in the gun safety movement. working with some of the folks directly impacted by newtown. how do we make political progress with rural democrats? >> i think we have seen over the last year is a little bit of the politics changing. what you were talking about. single-issue gun voters. it feels a little squishier on the other side. you have a fear of single-issue

gun votes coming out. very people had them to begin with. we are starting to see groups that are popping up, specifically on this issue. mayor bloomberg's group, gabby giffords and mark kelly's group. we're seeing people on other issues saying this is an important issue to me, like the moms. like the young people. the young people care about the fact that this is possibly the biggest health issue for a generation. you can't trust people who can't agree with that. >> john, what is your prediction of what will happen in this case? >> i don't think he'll be nomina nominated. the democrats don't have an outside apparatus that is being able to shift this debate towards them. it's not going to happen for fair amount of time. i don't think he'll get nominated. >> we're seeing a broad coalition come together in support of dr. murthy. i hope we can do what we do in medicine, take conventional

wisdom and examine it with analysis and science. find out if the wisdom is correct. i don't think it is. i spoke to a u.s. senator in a purple state. he said year after year, he would take principle stands on this issue. he said it never cost him any votes. but in the wake of the newtown tragedy, he thinks taking prince. ed stands has netted him a positive society. in men sin, conventional wisdom can kill people if we're not making sure it's accurate and scrutinizing it. in this case, it could cause a miskarnl of democracy. >> you have democrats running in states where obama has a 37%, 38% approval rating. when he can say i didn't support the president on this particular nomin nominee, it gives that mark to the voters that says i'm sick of obama and i kind of like this gal over here because she stuck

it in his nose on this nominee. gnat's kind of how this thing goes down. >> but they already have one with the department of justice, right? >> sometimes you need two or three. >> well, dr. lillis, there's a possibility that the confirmation vote is delayed until after november so that nobody is forced to take a tough vote when it's really tough for them. perhaps after the elections happen, he could be brought up for a full confirmation vote. is that a possibility? >> i think it is. i thing whk what we need to keer focus on is that dr. murthy is fit for this position. he's got an amazing track record for building improvements. he's getting inspiration for akts. we need someone to inspire the american people to put a dent in obesity and preventable health problems. we have to find way to get him

confirmed. because he's going to be the next generation surgeon general. >> in your conversations with some of the -- some of the folks on the hill working with senators in the tough states, they have been real actieen rel to your arguments. it's been a mixed bag. >> a mixed bag. i hope we can have an open conversation about public health. >> it's a sad state of affair that the nra is having such a say in who the nation's next surgeon general will be. i want to thank dr. chris lillis. still ahead, couples are lining up outside some michigan county clerks offices.

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here is another story we're keeping an eye on today in michigan. at this hour, same-sex couples are lining up outside of county clerks offices one day after a federal judge struck down that state's ban on same-sex marnls.

no pictures yet. but huge celebrations yesterday. in the wake of that ruling, people are ling up -- lining up this morning. at this hour, one couple has received the paperwork they need to wed. another county said it would be waiving its three-day waiting period and $20 fee to allow couples to marry as soon as they can. the attorney general of michigan has asked a higher court to freeze the landmark ruling while the appeal is pursued. some same-sex couples in michigan are hoping to get married this weekend before the freeze goes into effect if it goes into effect. we'll watch more on that story. another full hour of news and discussion ahead beginning with the latest about the new lead in the search for flight 370. we'll be right back. but have you been on an airplane lately? oh. [ man ] man, this thing's got a lot of onions.

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we're back with a second full hour of news and discussion ahead. beginning with more on this morning's breaking news. ships are being sent to see if they can verify the latest lead in the hunt for the malaysian airlines flight. there's a photo said to be of floating debris. it might be debris from missing flight 370. the transport minister from malaysia gave the news this morning. he said the largest piece was 74 feet long at the longest point. he said the chinese government would give out more information later today. this new piece was found about 80 miles away from the other pieces found earlier this week. the boeing 777 disappeared three weeks ago. 25 countries are involved in the

international search effort, including the u.s. the first planes to scour the ocean for a third straight day returned to perth with reports of difficult conditions and little success. >> the weather conditions were less than ideal as we have seen. had a thick layer of cloud. and got as low as 50 on feet in the search area. we had isolated showers and sea fog at the surface reducing our visibility as well. we managed visual sensors today including manning of our visual observer stations. we were not able to find evidence of any wreckage or survival equipment from the missing aircraft. >> first lady michelle obama addressed the u.s. voflt in the search. >> as my husband has said, the united states is offering as

many resources as possible to assist in the search. and, please know that we are keeping all of the families and loved ones of those on this flight in our thoughts and in our prayers at this very difficult time. >> let's bring in nbc's kerry sanders who has details on crust what teams are looking for right now in the indian ocean. >> the idea is, of course, to find this debris and find out whether it's the same debris as was seen in the satellite photographs. let's look at the image released by state-run television this china. you can see, again, it's not a perfect picture. it's taken from a satellite. as we look at the picture and are calculating, with their assistance, of course, the size is about 74 feet by 42 feet. it could be a part of plane.

it xwould garbage could be garb ocean. let's look at this picture here. this is the satellite image provided by the australians. these pictures, perhaps this one here may line up best what the chinese have released because of the relative same size. this one here was 79 feet. now, as we take a look at the area that they're searching, it's right here. it's a rather large area southwest of perth. they've been able to focus in a little bit better on the area. it's 1500 or so miles southwest of perth and when we go to the last part here this is perhaps the most interesting. this area here, is where the australians found their suspect debris. it's only 79 miles away that the chinese have spotted their suspect debris. so, even if they're not the same

pieces th pieces, they may come from the same source. the real question is, is that source flight 370? crystal? >> thaungs nks to kerry sanders. we have anthony roman back and barbara peterson, senior aviation correspondent at conde nast traveler. kerry said it could be the same piece of debris spotted in the australian images. is that a possibility? >> it is, though the currents are traveling in the other direction. that would be slightly southwest of the australian position. and the currents in that region are traveling eastbound. however, with the stormy conditions, all bets are off. anything is possible.

and with the huge 3,000-mile debris field in that vicinity traveling eastbound, it could be anything. we have to be careful about riding that emotional roller coaster. >> of course. of course. and with the modeling they're able to do of the currents in the area, it's really just an educated guess. >> it's a tad more than an educated guess, but, it is a difficult process. particularly in the sea state s with 15, 20-foot seas, ji ba eyeballing the debris will beimg to locate them, trying to figure out if they are a part of the plane, we have to figure out what might have happened to cause the plane to disappear in the first place? >> exactly. even if they do fish out something from the water and

positively identify it, that's not going to answer the question of why? why? what happened? this is so unprecedented in so many ways. it's vital that they don't drop the ball on anything else. this has been sort of this up-and-down saga of this investigation so far. it's never happened before that an aircraft like this has gone down and nothing has surfaced in now two weeks. usually something comes up within the first few days. >> right. >> this is again like everybody is literally almost working in the dark on this. that's very troublesome. but there still has to be an investigation of who was on the plane, what was in the cargo hold. all of that is still not really answered at this point. >> anthony, what are some of the parallel pieces of the investigation that would be going on right now. we know, for example, the fbi has copies of the hard drives taken from the computers of the

captain and copilot. what else is being looked at? >> we have concurrent criminal and aviation investigations that are related to one another. so this is a very difficult task that they have ahead of them. you have 24 nations involved. the malaysians are asking everyone for help. they were late in the game in getting into this. they have their work cut out for them. it's a difficult, difficult procedure. >> did we lose valuable time at the beginning while the malaysian government was keeping some pieces of information or not being totally up front? >> i think barbara brought up wonderful points. yeah, i think delaying some of the passenger manifests. not providing the background information that they did have. delaying searching the pilots' homes. from what i saw from the file

footage, it wasn't a forensics examination of the residences. where there any micro skopic bomb residues there? terribles that would have created speculation. they were not wearing forensic suits nor did they have forensic teams on site. it's a shame. >> our hearts and minds are with the families too. we can only imagine what they're going through. imagining the worst case scenario. when it's such a mystery, how do they deal with these new incoming pieces of evidence and try at the same time to manage their grief and start some process of healing? >> exactly. that is one of the hardest things about this whole story. they need some closure. at some point. that's why it's so vital they find something from the aircraft. but, at the same time, one of the thing that this whole story has shed some light on is how do

airlines and the governments treat families in situations like this. that was an issue about 15 and 20 years ago when there were terrible cases of families feeling mistreated. so congress pass laud in 1996 which did put through some reforges. however, they only affect u.s. airlines or crashes that take place in the u.s. other countries have followed the lead, though. and the most important thing is that the airlines have to focus on communicating with the families and has to be done through one voice. you can't have competing voices and competing prez conferenss c which is what we have seen. >> we're going to stay on this story. want to thank barbara peterson and former pilot anthony roman. we'll be right back. i dropped 2 balls, mom. eye on the ball! that's all it is. eye on the ball. that's a good tip. i'll try it. by the way, bill... this is delicious!

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just what exactly is senator rand paul up to? it's a question that gets posed a lot. this week, it came up again after the kentucky republican trekked to berkeley this week. he gave a speak at one of the most liberal colleges in america. why was this conservative senator speaking to a student body known for protests? >> you may be a republican, a democrat, a libertarian. i'm not here to tell you what to be. i'm here to tell you that your rights, es peshlgly your rights to privacy are under assault. >> he was not there to tell people who they should be. he's hip. no square. he might be a united states senator. he's not the man. his message is one of protecting against the man. anti-big government, spying on citizens and data collection, bro. >> your government is interested in what you're reading.

what you say on your phone kals. what you write in your e-mails. or everybody n if they say you' they say the fourth amendment doesn't protect these records. >> he has a point. the spying powers of the u.s. government is far more than anyone suspected. the washington post reported another revelation. this time, a program with the capability of recording 100% of a foreign country's phone calls and storing them for a month. paul seize tonight concerns that these and other rev layielation causing. and presented them as something he and the berkeley community could agree on. >> most of you have written the dystopian novels.

if you own a cell phone, you are under surveillance. if you're on your cell phone, it's none of their damn business. >> he asked whether edward snoed season a hero or a villain. he seems sincere about trying to get cross-spoupport. he didn't mention once his fellow republicans. last week, senator fieinsteinfe who chairs a committee accused the nra of m-- cia of spying on her staff's deputiers. that was denied.

this week, senate majority leader harry reid ordered a forensic examination of the senate intelligence committee's computer equipment to answer the cia's absurd claims that staff hacked into the network. clearly, congress and the intelligence community are heading for a standoff. who wants to lead them into it? none other than rand paul. he pushed at the end of his speech for a slekt committee to reform government surveillance. it's something to watch for. as is what effect is rand paul having on his party? paul thinks he's hit on an approach that can help republicans to broaden their appeal. he does like to step outside the gop's comfort zones. last year, he went to histor historically black colleges. it resulted in awkward encounters. >> if i said who are the founders of the naacp, are they

republicans or democrats, would everybody here know they were republicans. >> yes. >> and you know more than i know. i don't mean that to be insulting. i'm trying to find out what the connection is. >> that might not have been as successful. his broader point is that republicans need to talk to people they wouldn't normally talk to to talk about issues they might not normally talk about. so can rand paul re-create this berkeley moment elsewhere and on other issues? and are young voters likely to bolt once they see the rest of his agenda? joining me now, former montana govern eer brian schweitzer. john stand and emily sussman still at the table. welcome to all of you. i think this is an interesting moment and approach. matthew, particularly glad to have your take here. the concern with rand paul's

approach. he's found a way to connect with berkeley students by moving to the left of president obama. jennifer ruben said, in a real sense, he's trying to full a fast one concealing his views on majority of issues and trying to get them with anti-government trinkets. it's likely that his pandering in berkeley would come back to get him in iowa. >> i, you know, obviously, janet ruben is not a rand paul fan. i think what rand paul is doing should not be surprising. by, for people who will libertarians that might like ron paul, i think ruben touched on a big point. he'll struggle in other areas. the problem is, the issue that

he's talking about, the nsa, this is dividing the republican party. you have chris christie with a public falling out with rand paul on this issue. i think it will be krusht for the republicans to decide on the nominee where they stand on issues like drugs and others. rand paul needs to make conservatives and liberals happy. >> that is the tricky balance. he's pro life. he believes life beings at conception. he's against gay marriage. these are issues that a lot of young voters would have trouble with. you mentioned that chris christie and rand paul had a public spat over national security. let's listen on the tape. >> this strain of libertarianism that is going through both parts right now and making big headlines, i think, is a very dangerous thought. as the governor now, as a state, that lost the second most people on 9/11 behind the state of new

york and still seeing those families, i love all these esoteric debates that people are getting in. >> senator rand paul? >> you can name any number of people. these debates, i want them to come to new jersey, sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. >> pretty tough talk. and there's republican party still a strong national defense party. is there room for rand paul's brand of isolationism? >> yeah. there has always been this strain. ironically, not so much the younger people. a lot of them have grown up with facebook and cell phones. a lot of them seem to be much more comfortable with this than people maybe my age, late 30s, early 40s, closer to his age, frankly. he's speaking to those people. but to the older voters, the

bulk of republicans, i think chris christie is voicing a bit of their conditions. but he and rand paul just sot of hate each other. >> there's that, too. governor, what do you make of that? >> none of your damn business. i like that. you know what? we shouldn't spy on our neighbors. i didn't support it with the patriot act and real i.d. the republicans were wrong with george bush. the democrats were wrong that voted for it. i'm outraged that a democratic president is allowing the nsa to spy on american citizens. it's tock spy on foreigners. but american citizens. he needs to add none of your damn business in my doctor's office. leave the women alone. and none of your damn business who i love. if you want to come to the libertarians, you have to be

consistent. >> he'll have trouble appealing to the young folks without adopting some of those pg positions. >> it's not news. he's a republican. he's having states rights, a good sort of argument. not perfect for a lot of liberals. as long as he's not going to be legislating from the oval office, that's okay. you described the isolationist foreign policy. nonintervention is different from isolationism. he doesn't want the military being overly involved. isolationism to the extreme is like north korea. i -- i was at c-pac recently. john bolten and the other bush hangovers are talking about isolation nicis

isolationism. it's ah not his foreign policy. >> rand paul, in a way, has not been as consistent in foreign policy as his dad was. he criticized the president over not being strong enough, whatever that mean. emily, you work a lot with the young folks. the republican party, no secret, they need to appeal to the young folks if they're going have a shot in the future. they have been make new attempts. they're out with a new ad with a hipster young man, young millennial. let's look that. >> i get ticked off at politicians who want to help the unemployed and then vote for regulations that make it impossible to hire anyone. you can't help the unemployed by hurting the people that help them. my friends need a paycheck, not an empty promise, to i'm a republican. >> he's so hip in his tortoise shell glasses opinion he's so appealing. the closest thing as a good mess

edger that they have found. the substance is the problem. youk people don't see anything coming out of the republican party. policies that can help them, help them build a future. rand paul went to berkeley because he wanted to say, oh, you entrepreneurs, i'm with you, i feel for you. you talk about tech. i get it. i'm there. the realities, these young people graduated. now they have the capability to start a business without worrying about health insurance. things he's against. >> the recent pew research poll showed on a range of issues, young people tended to be more liberal than older cohorts. that is not likely to change soon. i want to thank john and math

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week. the arguments continue this morning between lawyers for governor chris christie's fired aids and the investigative committee. the aids are insisting on immunity to turn over documents. governor christie took questions at a town hall on thursday. he sort of kind of maybe faced questions before. he had plenty of them shouted at him by pro testers. the protesters were removed by police and the questions within were unanswer sied. this week, governor christie called on someone in the audience. the man said he was not satisfied with the answer to the question in january why he fired bridget kelly. >> i think something needed to be said there. i fired her because she was involved in an illegal act.

>> listen. but first of all, you're again, saying something i'm not willing to say that ath this point because i'm not willing to prejudge what a prosecutor can do. you can come to the conclusion that it was an illegal act. it may have been one. when you're standing in this circle and the gochber of new jersey, you don't have the luxury to give your opinion when there's an investigation going on that you have to cooperate with in every way. >> and the investigation continues. not just into the traffic jam but into alleged conflicts of interest with one of his top political appointees. port authority chairman david sampson was subpoenaed. he voted the approve things that were directly tied to his law ti firm. the story has quite a ways to go

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if you're like me, many of your friends and rel tifrs and weekend morning show hosts have disappeared into the world of march madness. maybe you're a fan yourself. you know the president picked michigan state to win it all he correctly picked harvard to pull an upset and make it past the first round. i haved that pick, too. march madness is a national op obsession. maybe part of it has to do that your favorite player might not be playing in the tournament next year. after losing to minnesota in round two, shabazz mohamed entered the nba draft. anthony bennett and steven adams of pitt both saw the teams exit the tournament in the first round last year. that one game of march madness would be all that either of them ever played. bennett and adams entered the

draft after their freshman year and beth were drafted as top picks. if the new nba commissioner, all three of these players would be college sophomores right now. the nba draft eligibility age is 19. but the new commissioner, adam silver, has made i had a top priority to dhang the age from 19 to 20. he said sit my belief that if players have an opportunity to mature for a longer time before coming into the league, lit lead to a better league. if it happens, it would be great news for the ncaa. what is now one and done would be at least two and done. but should they have to stick around? what would the college players get out of it? those who agree with silver say they'd get a college education and life experience. why shouldn't players be able to weigh the pros and kons themselves and come to their own decisions?

especially when another year of college sports opens them up to injury before getting a chance to go pro? college basketball is a huge business. television ad earnings alone broke the billion-dollar mark. that does not include ticket sales or other sponsorships. that amount of revenue is being generated on the backes of student athletes. yes, they receive scholarships. but they don't see the billions of dollars of profits. some believe the players are being exploited. like taylor branch. for all the outrage, the real scandal is not that the players are being illegally paid or recruited. it's at the two of the principles that the ncaa justifies itself existence are cynical hoaxes. league list ix confections propagated by the universities. maybe you are the rare person who picked mercer to upset duke

in the first round and dayton the win over ohio state and north dakota state to finish off the sooners in overtime. but everyone if your bracket is perfect, for the players themselves, questions of eligibility and education and compensation mean there is a lot more on the line. for all of that, i want to ask my guests, brian schweitzer, jordan schultz, mike peskus and emily tisch sussman. i think it is very paternalistic for the nba to think they know what is best for the players. there is no one in a better position to make the decision whether they should enter the draft early or wait through college or a couple of years before they go in than themselves. >> it would make the nba better. silverman's argument is right. but we could debate that. you as player get better in the

nba than you do as a player in college. it would make the nba better. it would make the ncaa better. but the small detail, it's totally unfair. i'm sure a lot of movie directors would like to shoot 14 hours a day with their kids. a lot of sweat shop owners would like to work child labor all day. it's a totally unfair restriction of labor. >> you have a different take. >> i own the ranch. i get to decide what crops i want to plant. you own an nba team, you get to decide which people we're going put on the floor. you get to say, i want some maturity. because i sell these tickets to people who bring their sons and daughters, i want our players to be role models. i want these people to be mature enough to make $10 million and no what is right, what is wrong as they move along.

>> but emily, this is different than the nba teams decides. we're going to let that player mature a little. this is the nba as a rule overall saying we're not allowed to do that. they have to stay in college or out of the pros for two years. >> it's forcing them into an additional year of the college system and beefing up the ncaa and march madness r, which you pointed out, it's a business. without compensating the players, it's insane. this came up last year. when kevin ware broke his leg. everyone saw that moment. the next minute, you thought, oh, and he's not really being paid for this. >> he's not being paid. when you're in college. you're on a scholarship. you have no guarantees that you're going to be brought back. you get an injury, you're done. a lot of the players think, i have to get into the pros and

start making money. >> the thing about the -- since '05, the one and done as opposed to high school, 57 guys have gone to the nba. when you look at what's happened, a lot of them, kevin durant, carmelo anthony. anthony davis. these are one and done success stories. there are other stories where guys have not made it. they're out of the league. they're in the d-league in europe. by making it a two-year system, you're allowing them to gain maturity. i thought adam silver raised a good point. by allowing guys that sec year, to me, and to him, you're making better people, more mature. it helps the college and the nba game. the rule has to be bargained with the players union. a lot has to happen. i do believe this will become a two and done rule eventually. >> it seems to be his priority.

one other interesting comment on the table is from mark cuban. he says that the ncaa rules are so hypocritical, there is absolutely no reason for a kid to go the college because he's not going to class. he's actually not even able to take advantage of all the fun, because the first semester he starts playing basketball. if the goal is just to graduate to the flab or be an nba player, go to the d league. he's referring to the nba development league. >> that's true. steven adams was one and done. now he's developing. he plays for the thunder. i like brian's argument because it's so easy to rebut. >> good luck. >> if you're a rancher, you don't want to plant crops. that's like an nba owner saying, i'm not going draft a 19-year-old. the real analogy were if a cartel were to make a rule that says you can't plant barley.

for me, college was an entire dematuration progress. i have to recover from my four years of college. kevin garnett, who didn't goo the college. lebron james, carmelo. in the nba finals and semifinals happen, it will be dominated by guys playing one year or no year in college. they're extremely ma clur pip think the whole college maturity thing is not on. >> these are athletes that started when they were 4 and 5 years old because they loved the game. all the games. they played when they were 9 and 11. they played in high school. they're playing ing iing in co. they play because they love the game. they were not worried at age 9 about getting injured. they shouldn't be worried about getting injured in college. they play because tla lohey love game. don't use the argument of you might get injured because you have played your whole life.

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we're back with more on the debate over whether or not the nba should lift the draft eligibility age from right now, it's at 19, to 20. jordan, you wanted to jump in. what do you got? >> i played college basketball for four years. i saw a lot of guys go through different things. not at the level of duke and north carolina. i grew up with guys that went from high school to the nba. i can tell you, if you're dealing with paying players in college, that's an entirely different argument. we're talking about guys going pro 18 to 20. and the d-league comment that mark cuban made, i don't think that is a real argument. the maximum salary is $26,000. you're traveling on a bus. you're living a tough life. only 10% at most make the nba.

that's not a valid argument. >> part of his argument was we could change aspects of the d-league to make it more appealing. to make it a viable alternative. one of the things i think is undergirding the debate, there is some whatever a race and a class issue. a predominantly -- predominantly african-american young men. with golf and tennis, we're much more comfortable with young people going pro at a young age. >> i think you're right. an opportunity to go to college through athletic. this is a great opportunity. some athletes do take advantage of the scholarship. that is fair. it's probably not everyone. but i think that, i do see an analogy to the military. you're okay continuing to go the wars once it was a volunteer military. once it was someone else's child. >> mike, what do you say to that? >> it's true. the individual sports you

mention. the other aspects of life. the programmers at companies hire wiz kids. how old were jennifer lawrence or emma stone when they got their roles. who would say you can't be in a real movie. >> even though at times it doesn't work out so well. >> sometimes child actors become ron howard. other times, lindsay lohan. i want to get to what people really care about. how the ncaa tournament is shaping up. march madness, y'all. last night with a stunning overtime upset over number five vcu, the steven f. austin lumberjacks pulled off the 29th state win of the year. and virginia, my alma mater, and my pick to win it all, by the way, made its way past coastal carolina. with vcu and duke going down yesterday, millions of brackets were busted.

mine first and foremost. i had both of them in the final four. didn't work out so well. i should have listened to jordan. i listened to you on picking harvard. >> i told you the taked inned the state, steven f austin, harvard, and st. louis. you have to listen to me. >> i might have had a little virginia and acc bias. you had duke going out. not quite this early. >> this was not a classic duke team. no size. you look at the ncaa tournament. it's a matter of parity. 27 of 30 years, a 12 seed has beaten a 5. this year. >> who do you like? >> i don't like the obama bracket. picking all the favorites. it's unpleasing. he seems smart for two weeks. you can't win a tournament like that. i got a glimpse of this guy's bracket. he's bold. he's been a little bit crazy. i like wichita. >> do you like virginia? >> i don't.

they'll lose in a couple of weeks. >> jordan said he likes virginia. >> i like virginia. >> if he's riding the lumber jacks, i would worry. >> here's the map of the united states, i'm starting with florida and going syracuse and wichita. then i'm going to put florida and syracuse in the final. and florida wins it all. >> very visual. >> you had a unique bracket selecting -- >> i do. >> i have a strategy. >> telling me. >> having worked in swing states in the fall we always feel like turnout is increased when your teams are doing well, so i went with swing states. i went with swing states, although i'm loyal to michigan. my family went to michigan. i have swing states. we didn't have a clear one i did dates good on obamacar. i support kentucky all the way. >> even though i had duke going against uva to win it, i was still very happy that duke lost because i'm just happy to see

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i want to know what my guest knew that they didn't know when the week began. >> the u.s. knows the iranians are building a fake boat that looks like a u.s. air carrier. the claim is they're going to blow it up on tv and say they sunk a u.s. ship. if can you do this and. >> the inauguration. >> what have sghout. >> mustaches on them, whatever. >> i know now that oral argument on the supreme court on the hobby lobby case are going to be extremely interesting and worth watching. if you liked the arizona law, you'll love hobby lobby. it can be very interesting to watch that case this week. >> governor? >> the obamacare advocates and

opponents, they call it obamacare but it was written in senate finance committee. they tied it up, they negotiated. they were looking for some republican support from grassley and olympia snowe and enzi. at the end of the day we have a bill with a lot of republican ideas but no republican votes. all three of the democrats who are involved in that negotiation are now no longer in the senate. bingham, baucus. so it was written by three democrats and three republicans, of which four of the six are no longer in the u.s. senate. >> jordan? >> other than warren buffett is still smarter than everybody else, 8 million brackets, only took 25 games for the perfect bracket madness to be over. warren buffett showed us why he's warren buffett. >> i want to thank my guests. thank you to getting up.

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