thanks for disrupting your afternoon. i'm karen finney. we'll take a look at latest developments and the mystery of malaysia air 370. we're also going to take a look at the news of first lady's trip to china and efforts to expand medicaid here at home. that is all coming up this hour. >> is this a piece of malaysia airline flight 370? >> this was spotted at about noon on the 18th of march. >> the aircraft have lowered

their altitudes and they're actually using eyes on. >> the crews are reporting really terrible visibility. >> there's a debris field out there and we will find it. >> even the expanded search area is the size of the fifth biggest state in the united states. >> what we have here is probably the deepest mystery in aviation history. >> a glimmer of home but the riddle of this missing plane remains. >> it's just about day break in the southern indian ocean and right now weather could once again be a problem as crews get set to resume the search for that missing malaysian airliner. just as china, japan and britain prepare to join the search, malaysia's transport ministered warned that some search vessels may have to go through a cyclone to get through the search area.

the big news has been china's releasing a new satellite image it says could be debris from the boeing 777. it was seen about 80 miles from two possible pieces of debris that were seen earlier this week on satellite. officials say this new object is roughly the same size as the larger of those two objects. ian williams joins us live from perth, australia about 1,400 miles from the search zone. crews are just about to give it another go. what's the latest there? >> reporter: hello, karen. they'll be heading out about two hours from now, a massively enhanced search. saturday we had six aircraft heading to that area. today we'll have chinese and japanese military aircraft joining them. also, a small flotilla of ships, including chinese ships and an

australian military vessel capable of lifting the debris out of the water. the big problem at the moment is they haven't actually found any. of course hopes have been raised by that latest satellite picture from china taken four days ago, although the australians are cautioning that that photograph was taken in an area where they have been combing quite extensively over the last two days. nevertheless that will be the focus of the search tomorrow -- today rather, it's already sunday here. the weather could be another big factor. friday and saturday were good days. the water was flat, the visibility was good, the winds were low, but warnings of that cyclone coming in, a cyclone that could disrupt the search, bad, strong winds, bad visibility. even as they start to get this search up to speed. now, australia's deputy prime minister today said that they would continue to search as long as is necessary. he was there visiting the base,

the headquarters of this operation. but he did also warn that there's an awful lot of trash floating around in that part of the southern indian ocean and that really you had to be a little bit cautious. yes, hopes have been raised by the satellite imagery but still nothing concrete has been found over three days of searching. nevertheless, it really is getting up to speed and we will have a big operation out there today, karen. >> ian williams, thank you so much. >> now let's bring in former retired navy captain john van gurley, who commanded the navy operations as well as former pilot paul mccarthy. thank you both. as ian was reporting and as we've been hearing, we're talking about an area that already experiences pretty rough seas. now we're talking about the potential for an even rougher go of it today. what is the likelihood that ships are going to have and

flights are going to be able to have the visit that they need to find more evidence? >> well, it's going to be a difficult go of it, as your reporter was just saying. the last two days, the reports in the search area have been for good conditions yesterday and fair conditions the day before, but prior to that they reported a lot of rain and low, overcast conditions. that reduces your visibility. right now for the kinds of things they're looking for, it's a visual search. you need to see objects bobbing in the water. if you're in areas where you have rough seas, high waves, lots of white caps, rain and low visibility, that all greatly hinders your ability to see anything in the area you're trying to look in. >> so one other question, there was this report earlier in the week of two elements -- two potential pieces of defbury flo -- debris floating and then we're

hearing about the one. given the water patterns, does that tell you anything about whether this one is now perhaps one of the two that was seen earlier this week or can we not make that kind of assumption? >> i wouldn't make that connection, especially since the earlier photograph was in the two objects separated. and the last photograph in the last 24 hours was of one larger object. i would be leery of making any connection with them, other than the fact that we're seeing things now in the same body of water where from other evidence there is reason to believe the plane might have been. so that is why the search effort is focused down in that area right now money. >> captain mccarthy, one of the things that's been stressed here, too, this is an area traveled by cargo ships, what they're possibly seeing and looking at may not be debris from the plane but could be from the cargo ship. >> i defer from the captain on that. my expertise is in flying airplanes and not in driving vessel of that kind. but have i heard the same

reports, that there is a lot of debris in those waters. >> van, tell us a bit about the nature of the search and the techniques being used you mention at this time it's a visual search. we have so much technology at our disposal. i even read somewhere that nasa satellites are being utilized. what are some of the techniques being utilized other than the visual search to identify bdebrs or new clues? >> we're still looking for the initial clues so we know which haystack to start looking within for the needle. right now what should be happening and hey peappears to happening is everybody is combing all other data sources. countries that have radar systems are combing through their tapes to make sure they didn't miss anything and what is reported is in fact all there really is and it appears that all the countries that have access to satellite systems are

still coming through their imagery to find something. i even heard a report of a crowd source effort that has the general public looking through a number of imagery sources. all of that is crucial so we stand where we should start looking in areas where we are confident the plane can't be because we still don't see anything on the ocean surface. that relates back to the company i'm with now, which is understand where we should look and where we shouldn't look based on our mathematical confidence on where things should be. >> how does the weather play into that? there's been talk about currents and weather and storms and what have you. how does that play into that calculation? >> one of the early pieces of information was the debris that had been collected. from that, working with several of our partners, we were able to

backtrack from where the object was found, back it up in time based on the wind and seas to figure out where it came from and that helped us focus our search. >> i want to talk about technology because there was a story in the "new york times" earlier in the week that talked about the technology that is actually available and basically says long before malaysia airlines flight 370 vanished on march 8, the global airline industry had sophisticated tools in hand to follow planes in real time and stream data from their flight recorder. but for a variety of reasons, mostly involving cost and how infrequently planes crashed, th they did not adopt them. >> it's a continuing concern. but as you say, we have to look

at cost and benefit and we have to remember that in all the years we've been flying, particularly jet aircraft, this is the first time we've really gotten into this conundrum this deep into the game. air france 447, five days after the fact we had wreckage. i go back as far as 1957, there was a pan am clipper between san francisco and honolulu that went missing and two days later they found wreckage from that 100 miles north. so the fact that we found nothing over two weeks after the disappearance is a one off and the question is whether or not there is a cost benefit equation that will work for the airlines because it is very, very expensive to do this kind of transmission. >> i expect that that is going to be one. many questions that will be revisited in the aftermath of this incident. thank you, captain and paul

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[ speaking foreign language ] we're heading into week three for the search of malaysian airlines flight 370, which went missing just after

take-off from kuala lumpur. the families have been taken on a dizzying and emotional roller coaster ride. the families remandmarish limbo to every possible shred and hope. on friday news broke that relatives who have been staying in kuala lumpur were actually forced to change hotels in order to make room for crews coming in for the formula one grand prix racing event. what should be done and what can be done to help the families? here to answer the question, psychologist jeff gardier. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> i was listening to a survivor whose family member was in the air france crash. she was talked about being

hopeful and at the same time you're trying to manage your expectations. that's such an emotional pull. >> it is an emotional pull. it's an emotional roller coaster ride. when your friends and relatives are missing, you normally presume that they're just gone, they're dead. here they can't make that supposition at this point. it's ironic, you have grief counselors there but, as you stated, you can't even begin grieving. it's a no man's land psychological psychologically. they call it blurry info. not on does it feed into their despair and grief but also into the rage and anger that they feel. >> you're grieving but you're trying to deal with what's happening, have hope. there must be some guilt that goes along with that at the same time, sort of trying to -- we all want to be hopeful and at the same time, one of the news

reports that we've had suggests that people are, you know, they get up for breakfast. if they can eat, they eat. and they go to the briefing, which is another source of frustration and then that they're actually watching, you know, the television accounts. and as we said, lots of different theories piling up day after day. that has got to just add to that feeling of just hopelessness but then also frustration. >> there is the frustration and this is the first time i've heard someone, an anchor, make the point about the guilt. there is guilt there because you better believe that there are some people there who are saying i wish it were over. i want to know one way or another. i want to have hope, but at this point i don't think that's going anywhere so i have to start settling this thing in my mind that my loved one is gone. there's a lot of guilt with that. one of the family members talked about now she's able to start sleeping again, she's able to go back to work and so there's guilt associated with that because you really want to sit

in a hotel room, you know, in malaysia or whether in beijing. so that's a real issue. >> you know, so let's talk about the treatment of and the sort of lack of information and the frustration. i think we've got some sound here from one of the relatives that i want to play and then i want to talk a little bit about sort of what that lack of information is doing psychologically. >> there's really not official updates. malaysian airlines has given the occasional piece of a document out but it's usually something that's several days delayed of what's been in the press. in terms of the chinese government and how they're communicating with their own people, i find it to be almost irresponsible. they've taken a deflective, best defense is a good offense approach here, blaming malaysia and not giving information to the locals. i've been looking at cctv and

china daily, as well as looking at international news and it's like it's two different events. >> so that was sarah. she spoke with andrea mitchell on friday. one of the things that struck me about that is you need to have some trust in a situation like this, you're so vulnerable to whatever information you can get and it strikes me that the way the malaysians and now it sounds like the chinese are handling this is really fracturing that trust. and i've got to imagine that just adds to the agony for these families. >> right now these people are very, very fragile and they want to be respect, they want to be heard. we need to respect them, anyone going through this kind of a process. they feel by not getting the proper information, people aren't really caring or they're holding on to information or they're just plain incompetent, as some people have said about the malaysian airline, malaysian government, in getting this information. so that is the insult added to the jury. plus theys s iuspect, whether

true or not we don't know, that it may be an inside job, maybe the pilots had something to do with this. so there's also that betrayal in people they feel they should be trusting. that's why they're bubbling over in that anger, trying to get to the press, letting know how they feel and yet again being pulled out by security guards. the longer it stays in this pattern, the worst it's going to get for the family. >> it seems like the most important thing they could do is just let people ask questions. they just want to ask questions. it makes people feel better i think. >> they almost have them like soldiers, they come in at a certain hour, they give them information, they have to stay here, they have to do that. let them be. let them be heard. let them express their feelings. now is not the time to clamp down on them psychologically or physically. >> thank you, jeff.

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campaign, to hold governor jindal accountable. the governor is apparently unamused, suing saying the bill board infringes on his trademark and said that expanding medicaid in his state would somehow have a harmful impact on people with disabilities. is he heserious? he wrote "what does moveon.korg have against individuals with disabilities? on first glance it may appear an odd question to ask but when it comes to the new ad campaign attempting to persuade states to expand their medicare programs it's a sad but true statement. thanks to both of my guests for being here. what do you have against disabled people, anna, come on,

tell us. >> i mean, your tone perfectly captures it. it was really a head skacratche and baffling. if moveon.org has something against people with disabilit s disabilities, this goes to show how far this has gotten. we've clearly gotten under bobby jindal's skin and the onus is on him. >> isn't it true that some disabled people could qualify for expansion? >> yeah. his argument is nonsense i call. again, it's worth pulling it back to the fact that medicaid expansion is something that has happened in dozens of other states. bobby jindal is holding out as best as we can figure to kacate

to a small fringe of his own state. >> here's part of what i find so ridiculous. he's got a plan to balance the state budget by borrowing $50 million from the new orleans convention center project, borrowing from the extension, rather than taking the $16 billion in money from the medicaid expansion. he's so hell bent on not taking the medicaid expansion money -- >> these actions of physically irresponsible. bobby jindal, my great state, the state of louisiana, has one of the highest number of medically underserved people of all races, backgrounds and

regions of the state. so it's disappointing. it's not understandable why 250,000 louisianans would be blocked from the hospital with bobby jindal standing in the door. >> particularly when we're talking about this kind of fiscal scheme and trickery to make that work. it doesn't make sense. >> bobby jindal's approval ratings are down in the mid 30s, his disapproval ratings are up to the 50s. these steps and these actions are not making him more popular. i don't think it's positioning him for another race or another office. and i am really disappointed with him. i think a lot of people when he was elected thought he might be a different kind of conservative, that he would be one -- because he ran the department of health and hospitals in louisiana in the past, who would put emphasis on the expansion of health care.

$16 billion in medicaid dollars. his own department said if you accepted medicaid you could save the state maybe $300 million over ten years. that's a scenario by his own experts. >> it's interesting, if you look at bobby jindal's budget, he's not exactly a staunch defender of the disabled. it's largely because he came under fire for cutting district from last year's budget and in this year's budget, it looks like the state is going to cut medicaid coverage for pregnant women. that makes no sense. >> this is not just about bobby jindal. it's what's happening in louisiana and also in two other rather-led states. you have 5 million americans nationally who could have access to health care right now, including people with all sorts of health condition, all sorts of races and backgrounds, as mark said, who are being blocked

at the hospital door by republican leadership in their state who are trying to score political points and it's inhumane. and it's got to stop. >> the idea that you would attack the bill board in a lawsuit, just gives the bill board a lot more publicity. i even wonder what the thinking behind the legal challenge is. it certainly isn't going to be that the message of this bill board is going to be brought past not only all over the state but all over the nation continuously as long as this lawsuit is still alive. >> mark, to that point, what i found -- part of the thing that my team and i found so intriguing is essentially they're trying to limit free speech because move on has the right to criticize and give people information. bobby jindal when it came to "duck dynasty" was a big proponent of free speech and now he's trying to shut down free

speech about health care services. >> one thing that's consistent is this inconsistency. you're a champion for duck dynasty and now just like bobby jindal championing health care and the expansion of health care when he was secretary and when he worked in the federal government and then he's changed his position now that he's become governor. louisiana has one of the highest number of medically under served individuals in america. it's a poster child for poor health stats. expansion of medicare is needed and it's time to stop the shenaniga shenanigans. >> i hope that all the governors are horribly shamed by the efforts of moveon and others.

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hidden in benghazi. >> the news doesn't want to cover important stories like the irs or benghazi but they can cover the airliner without flit plit ca -- political consequences. >> then there are the theories that have nothing to do with benghazi, some seemingly credible, others pretty far fetched. here are just a few out there. >> one of the more compelling theories is this had something to do with the pilot, it was an individual decision by the pilot or the co-pilot. >> i still think a course of action now, megan, is that the air went north and it went into either pakistan or eastern iran. >> what if it was something fully that we don't really understand. a lot of people have been asking about that, about black holes. >> this is a theory that could explain why and how this plane went down. it is called the zombie plane

scenario. >> my favorite theory, the 5% theory is because of some secret passenger or some secret cargo, the aircraft was hijacked and landed someplace. >> joining me now to talk through the credibility of some of these theories is former commercial pilot and security expert anthony roman. there are some mysterious theories out there. let's start with the pilots and whether or not they could have played a roll. what are the indications that you've seen that is a plausible theory? >> well, we know from the facts that the aircraft made a standard great left-hand turn after "okay, good night," that it followed standard navigation way points. so this is a man-made event as best as the facts point to right now. being a man-made event, there

are three people who could have done this, the pilot, the co-pilot or the passenger. and pilots have a history of letting people into the cockpit, which is a serious security breach. >> that's one of those pieces of information that may or may not be helpful in trying to determine one of the few people this could have been, right? >> that's exactly right. the pilots, let's take a look at them. they have impeccable training records, impeccable work indust histories, have impeccable work backgrounds, stable families, nothing points to them whatsoever. >> the other theory is it was hijacked and landed somewhere. as i understand, the length of the runway would need to land is a little shorter than had been

initially reported. i feel like it would be hard to hide a plane and 239 people for this long. >> i don't believe it is very hard to hide a plane of 239 people. >> okay. >> however, however, let's take off the pilot hat and put on the investigator hat for a few moments. where does that fall on the list of hypotheticals? it false reasonably low on the list of hypotheticals. the facts just doesn't point in that direction at this current time because the pilots did have some discrete alternatives. they could have activated the emergency locator beacon in a very discrete fashion while any hostage taker was distracted and that would have sent a signal to the satellites with their exact g.o. position. so there are a lot of questions, more questions than answers but right now the facts, the

hijacking scenario is very low on the list. >> we're trying to stay on the facts. when i first heard the zombie theory, it turns out to be about smoke and a fire. i'm frustrated people are reaching to those outer limits of plausibility. >> sure. everybody keeps referring to these ion batteries. and, yeah, they produce a lot of power, they produce a tremendous amount of heat and they've had a history of short circuiting, exploding and they have a lot of flammable gas. except the 777, unless it's been modified, doesn't have those batteries. >> all right. >> so there you go. >> well, there you go. we're going to keep trying to keep the plausible from the implausible and the silly. thank you, anthony roman. >> still ahead, during her trip to china, first lady michelle obama talked about free speech and she went there as only

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earlier today, we had shots fired in crimea. russian forces reportedly stormed a ukrainian air base today, smashing through the walls with armored personnel carriers and setting off grenades and burst are of gun fire. it's said a ukrainian serviceman was injured in the clash. this raises the specter of more violence in crimea and possibly a further russian incursion into ukraine. we go live to kristen welker live at the white house. how is the white house responding to these latest reports from crimea? >> reporter: i've been speaking to senior officials, they've been monitoring the situation quite closely. i'll read you part of their statement, it says "reports of continued attacks against ukrainian military personnel and facilities highlight the

dangerous situation created by russia and belie president putin's claim that russia's military intervention in crimea has brought security to that part of ukraine. russia should immediately begin discussions with the ukrainian government to ensure the safety of you've cranian forces in the crimean region of ukraine. it's against this back drop, this claescalation that preside obama plans to head to europe. he will be in a meeting with his european partners at that summit, won't meet with russia's prime minister who will also be there. and the goal will be to shore up support, to isolate russia, to pressure putin, to try to prevent him from entering other parts of crew oukraine. that is the big concern right now as we watch events unfold.

when you look at the violence today, karen, this is precisely what motion are so concerned about. i spoke with one foreign policy expert who says that no one wants a military engagement, neither the united states nor russia. however, a miscalculation on either side could lead to precisely that and that is why this situation is so dangerous at this point. karen? >> all right, thank you, kristen welker for that update. >> in less than a month since russian forces first moved into crimea, it seems like the international borders have been redrawn, the g-8 is now the g-7. but think back just a few months ago before the unrest in ukraine and before u.s.-russian relations took a turn for the worst. if anyone would have asked which country posed the biggest threat to u.s. interests around the globe, you can bet it probably wouldn't have been russia. it probably would have been china.

remember china? now with geopolitical dynamics shifting, the president has a unique opportunity to change the game. china already broke with russia, typically an ally against the west by declining to veto a resolution condemning crimea's russian from ukraine. president obama has deployed a secret weapon, first lady michelle obama with his daughters and michelle obama's mother. one of the things that fascinated me about this trip, some have criticized there's no hard policy, but first ladies, as you know from your work, that

these kind of relationships can really make a difference when it comes down to some of the tougher issues being dealt with. >> you're absolutely right. this is such an opportunity to embassy tend our public diplomacy, to extend the protocol. that's so important between two nations. the first lady's visit there is a broader -- is a step at the broader foreign policy objectives of the administration. >> and actually, as i noted today, she in a speech actually she talked about internet freedom and she did it in this way and i've got some sound, that is very much in the mold of the way michelle obama has done things. it not really preaching, it's not lecturing but it's kind of saying here's been our experience but it's definitely still getting those messages in in a way that only a first lady can do. let take a listen. >> sure. >> that's why it's so important for information and ideas to flow freely over the internet and through the media, because that's how we discover the

truth. that's how we learn what's really happening in our communities, in our country, in our world. time and again we have seen that countries are stronger and more prosperous when the voices and opinions of all their citizens can be heard. >> so again, that is an example of the way that a first lady can kind of get a message in there while she was talking more broadly about education, but she was able -- i think she also got in some climate change messages but again in a very unique way that i think only a first lady can really do. >> it is such a unique opportunity. because when a first lady goes overseas and, again, there's 180 plus countries that they can go and so it's such a sign of respect and honor for the country that's hosting you but when you go there, you're representing the united states of america and you are representing our values and there are gentle but soft but very effective ways of representing who we are to other

countries around the world. so i think those statements about free flow of information and how that makes society stronger represents who we are. >> you know, it interesting because so much of it is also saying to that country, we care about you, we care about this relationship and i remember when i worked for first lady hillary clinton, she visited the "st "stans," and that was at a time when there was a push to get russia into the g-7. you have the president going to asia next month but he won't be going to china, yet he'll be seeing the leader of china this week in that summit that kristen welker just mentioned and they'll have the opportunity to talk about his wife and his kid and his mother-in-law were just in china. >> well, sure.

that is really important. again, the president's spouse is the closest person to him. so when he -- when she represents him overseas, that really is a sign of respect. and it is an honor. and it does help to build a relationship between the countries and between the peoples of both those countries. separate and apart from any of the tough issues that the two leaders have to engage in. clearly the relationship between the u.s. and china is complex. it is complicated. but one thing this administration has done is really pivot -- has made a pivot in terms of education and study abroad towards asia and for asian students to come to the united states, which they are already in great number, but for american students to really understand how important this global economy is and how it affects us. >> and do that point, actually, the first lady talked quite a bit about that in her speech. the other that i noted that they

wand wanted tomorrow if a size on this trip given the family and chinese culture is family. which is why you have this intergenerational, you have the first lady's mother, along with her children. it sounds like that was something that was very much respected and appreciated and sort of showing and demonstrating that appreciation for culture. >> well, i think there's no greater honor for our country than for the president of the united states to send their family. i mean, that is far more impactful than any cabinet officer, any minister that you can send. and, yes, china is a culture that respects multi-generations. i think they have a question how we treat our elders and so traveling with your mother and then bringing your daughters, certainly, you know, it is a great opportunity for them as a family. there's no question.

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