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rescue command so it can begin a search. malaysia it not give any other details on the satellite images. so far air and sea searches this week in a remote area of the southern indian ocean below australia to determine whether other objects spotted by satellite were from the malaysia jet have proven to be unsuccessful. planes and ships in had international search effort involving more than 25 countries have been searching to discover whether a wooden pallet discovered on saturday may have been from that missing praen. wooden pallets are commonly used in had the cargo holds but they are also used in shipping containers pat sea. one of the australian officials coordinating the search told reporters the pallets appeared to be surrounded by other objects including what seemed to be strapping belts. >> the description was a wooden pallet and a number of other items that were nonscript around it.

and some belts of different colors around, strapping belts of different lengths. we tried to refine that yesterday with one of the new zealand aircraft. unfortunately, they didn't find it and that's the nature of it. you only have to be off by a few hundred meters. we'll try to refined it and continue on with a methodical search of the rest of the area to tray to give us some clues. a new zealand military was sent back to find the wood en pallet but failed. it has been hampered by bad weather. a category 1 hurricane in this part of the world. i want to turn to nbc's ian

williams live in perth, australia. ian? >> reporter: hi, krystal. we're still wait iing for the french images to be released. we understand that should happen soon. they have been handed over to the australians and will be part of the planning process for mon day's search. now crucially we'll be looking at precisely where the did debris is which the french satellites have spotted. if it is in the same sort of vicinity as the australian and the chinese satellite images, that will reinforce the hopeful signs here, what the prime minister of australia himself called the hopeful signs, that they are looking broadly in the right area. now, that said, they are still looking. there's been no sighting today. eight aircraft went out there including a u.s. military aircraft. there's one ship on location. the two chinese aircraft that arrived saturday are still waiting. they're not ready to go until

monday and there are two japanese aircraft that also flew in today. so a pretty big operation. but of those eight aircraft that were out there today, there have been no reports yet of any sightings of these objects that have been spotted by the satellites, krystal. >> thanks so much to nbc's ian williams in australia. i want to turn to the beijing bureau chief at the "washington post" joining me now from kuala lumpur. are you any more optimistic after today's news that a french satellite has also spotted possible debris there in the ocean? >> it's another encouraging sign, krystal. it's still very, very stechy. we don't know what they're seeing. we don't know anything about this french image at all you actually, what the chinese saw that was a very large piece of debris to come from an airplane and they are look iing at thing

as small as a wooden pallet and not having much luck. we should be encouraged by the news we're getting. this is a very, very difficult search and a very long haul. we're only at the beginning of the beginning of the search process, if you think about what we need to do to actually find the plane. >> indeed. thanks to "the washington post's" simon denyer. the joining me are msnbc aviation analyst john cox, a former capital for u.s. airways, and shawn henry, a former executive assistant director with the fbi. shawn, i want to turn to you. we now have not just one or two but three possible images of debris in roughly the same general geographic zone. we don't have as many details exactly where this new french piece of debris might be but does that start to build a case where you think, okay, we might be looking here in the right spot? >> well, i mean, at the end of the day what you have to do is find the debris.

there needs to be fiphysical evidence to really define what happened here with any sense of clarity. until you actually get to that debrae and start to analyze it and assess it, whether it be a physical structure of the aircraft or the black boxes, you're not going to be able to make that determination until you get there. >> john, what to you make of these latest satellite images? >> well, they're large pieces and that limits what parts of the airplane it could actually come from. so the larger pieces may or may not actually be from the airplane. the wooden pallet intrigues me because that could very well be, but if we have one piece, odds are we're going to have a lot of small pieces around it, seat back cushions, potentially baggage that has opened as the overheads were split open. those kinds of things we typically see. so it's the small debris, the harder to find debris, that's what i'm really looking for because that will give us a starting point. >> now how long would those items stay afloat? eventually i would think they would become saturated with

water, may end up on the ocean floor. how long would we expect large pieces of the plane to still be afloat on top of the ocean? >> large pieces, that's a different matter. they may not stay afloat indefinitely. it depends on the amount of damage they sustained with impact with the water. things like seat cushions will stay afloat indefinitely. >> got it. you mentioned you found the wooden pallets potentially hopeful. that would be a common item in in the airline's car fwoe? >> two things, one, it is something that would be consistent with the airplane, but recognize shipping containers or shipping it shall marine shipping also use similar containers. but what's around it? they said there were small items around it. that, if you put those two together, potentially they could tie that to the airplane. >> shawn, thus far this satellite image we don't have as much information about, we haven't seen it. we don't know exactly where in the ocean it is, malaysian authorities just released a new

statement saying that they existed. do you make anything of those facts that we're getting less information about those images? >> i think authorities are keeping things close to the vest, there have been a lot of reporting that's come out and i think that's upsetting to family members. the uncertainty of all of this is certainly of concern to so many people and perhaps they may be holding things close to the vest until they can get some further clarity on exactly what's occurred. >> now while we're looking for these pieces of debris and any debris that we could find in that part of the ocean or elsewhere, there's investigations going on around the world as well. we know the fbi for example, has copies of the hard drives of the pilot and co-pilot's computers. what are some of the parallel investigations that are going on now at this time? >> without the physical evidence, investigators will be lacking at the people, looking at some of those competing ne theories about what may have occurred, whether it were terrorism or hijacking or pilot

action. that comes down to thorough investigation and evaluation of those individuals, passengers, family members. flight crew and ground crew, et cetera. with the files, what the investigators will be lacking for, to see if they can recover any of the data that was resonant on that particular computer that would indicate actions pilots may have taken in their simulation, certain flight routes or particular types of evasive manmaneuvers, et cetera. each of those little steps is a much larger piece of the puzzle as to what may have occurred here. >> would it be possible to solve this mystery without actually finding debris from the plane? >> i think you could come close. certainly physical evidence is going to be the founding piece there, but you may find people who actually know something that occurred. if there were human action here, then there are human beings who

may be part after larger conspiracy potentially. >> shawn and john, stay with us. we'll bring in kerry sand eers. how is the international search effort going right now? it appears to be what's really a very low-tech search. >> reporter: well, it is turning low tech but there are more eyes on, quite frankly, planes from the united states, from australia, from new zealand, from china, from japan, flight crews are all over an area of the southern indian ocean where they are dropping down to as low as 300 feet be a the flight crews are looking outside the windows now to see if they can spot any debris. the real headline of the day is that there now appears to be a third satellite image that suggests there could be some sort of he debris in this part of the ocean. that image is yet to be shared publicly by the french, but it has been handed over to the malaysian authorities as well as to the australian authorities. it would line up in the same

general region, we're told, with a satellite image that suggested there could be plane debris in this area, a photograph released by state run television in china, from the chinese satellite, and another two images that were released by australia's prime minister taken from an australian satellite. and so there is growing evidence that there is something out there in this 22,000-square-mile area -- twice the size of massachusetts -- but, again, be cautious that it may just turn out to be garbage floating out there in the southern indian ocean. the ultimate goal, of course, is to try to find the wreckage that will then lead back to one of these which is the so-called black box, it's original, as you can see. and this is the pinger here. it automates out a clicking sound. it has a battery inside. the battery is rated to go for

another 15 days. it's highly possible nobody will be able to find this in the time that this thing is clicking, but the germans are sending a submersible. it's a submarine that can go down up to 10,000 feet. it could descend in the water, and if there was a weak signal, hopefully pick it up. but all of this is premature because ultimately they have to find some evidence of wreckage on the surface to then calculate where the plane may have gone down, if it even went down, krystal, in this the part of the ocean. >> kerry, are all satellite images created equal, roughly the same resolution and ability to detect detail? we've learned that nasa will be employing some of their satellites in the service of trying to locate wreckage. would those be any higher resolution than what we're seeing? >> reporter: all satellites are not created equal. as you can imagine a lot of it has to do with the age of the satellite because technology, as

you know, advances almost by a six-month period. and so the older satellites do not provide the same sort of pick taurs as the more advanced recent satellites launched. so we may see, and we're waiting to see, that picture from the french government to see what their satellite reveals, and we can just look at it ourselves and you have to remember to some extent there are still some military secrets. in some cases they don't want to release how really good this equipment could be. >> right. and we will certainly provide those images to our audience as soon as we have them. thank you so much to nbc's kerry sanders. >> reporter: sure. john cox and shawn henry are sticking around. we will have much, much more right after this. we asked people a question,

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that missing plane. we're waiting on new images released this morning from a french satellite showing a possible object. we have captain dave funk, a retired commercial pilot, live this morning for us in des moines, iowa. shawn henry, formerly with the fbi is still with us. and msnbc aviation andalyst joh cox. gentlemen, thank you all so much for being with us. as we are looking now at possible pieces of debris in the southern indian ocean, even if we locate those pieces of debris, how difficult will it then be to find the black box? >> difficult but not impossible. the nice thing is with the amount of data we have today about ocean currents and air currents, they should be able to reverse engineer this and work backwards to figure out close to the point of impact if it turns out this is actually what happened. it narrows the certificate of

area down from the size of the state of massachusetts to maybe the size of the city of boston. down on the bottom to start finding pieces. there are some sophisticated sup submersibles out there today, robotics, that can go down and cut the pieces of the fuselage open to get out what we need to. any investigator is not only going to want to recover the black boxes but the cockpit section, perhaps the leading edge wing juncture points to see how sharp the tearing was that will give us a good idea how hard the airplane impact ed the water if it went in from low altitude at a shallow angle or high altitude at a sharp angle. so it's -- this is never going to be easy. >> sure. >> but it's just a degree of tift question. >> you're narrowing in increasingly and, john, if we are able to find a piece of debris and we're able to determine that it is a wing or some other part of the missing aircraft, what information will we be able to glean from that discovery? >> well, if you look back at air

france 447 from the floating debris and then when they found the debris on the bottom they were able to ascertain pretty quickly the airplane had hit at a very high vertical rate with a low forward speed and you could tell that by the defamation of the skin around things like the ghali. so the fi galley. if there was an onboard fire there will be soot. those are the things investigators will look for once weep find the main body of the wreckage and that will determine what pieceses they want to bring up. the recorders, definitely, those will be brought up possibly if they're found, and i think they will be. but the physical evidence as far as other parts of the airplane, photographic evidence, the investigators will conclude what adds value to the investigation and that's what they'll want to recover. >> and, shawn, in your experience with the fbi when you're conducting an investigation of this magnitude where there's also a human tragedy and impacted families

involved, as you consider when and how to release evidence and how to proceed with the investigation, how much are you considering what's going on for the families? >> that's a great point, chr krystal. investigators have to be cognizant of that at all times. 230 people on the aircraft or hundreds of thousands of family and friends that are feeling the impact of this. investigators have to be sensitive to that and there's always a balance. you have to ask probing questions. it's really important in order to elicit the right information, but it also has to be done with some sensitivity and understanding about the people that are involved here. >> such a great point. ta dave, as we're looking at the third satellite image showing possible debris in the southern i indian ocean, in what we've been calling the southern arc of the potential plane trajectory, should we be honing in or

considering the possibility that the plane could have flown along that northern arc that crossed over some 15 different countries? >> you know, there's always a possibility it could have gone the other way and this is just sea debris, these fphotos to lok at the pings received by ray tar, that's important. because the australians didn't see the aircraft on their radar that helps us to determine the debris along the similar path to where the southern pings occurred.

most of us in the business, the aviation business, real good chance this is probably on to something. let's keep looking tore sure. the indian navy still looking in the north. i'm sure the malaysians have assets searching or their coast along with the thais and the burmese. it's a matter of time until we can deliver those areas and really hone in as many assets as possible in this potential crash site. >> one other piece of information that we have is that there's been a significant number of lithium eion batterie as part of the cargo of this plane. they can be flammable. does that raise any red flags for you as an investigator? >> it's certainly something they'll look at. there are lithium batteries on every flight around the world. >> so this is common? >> it's very, very common. these were shipped, the malaysians say they were shipped in accordance with the proper regulations and packaging. i think it's a low likelihood. for a major fire to be onboard

and it to fly six hours is statistically unlikely when you look at the history of in-flight fire. this will be an extreme outlier. there's no evidence to support it. >> have we ever been so captured and gripped by an aviation mystery like this before? >> no, i think the last time the world was this fascinated by a missing airplane the captain's name was amelia earhart. >> such a great point. thank you all for talking with me this morning, and we will be following the latest developments on this all morning. we will be on it and satellite pictures when we get them will go straight to you. keep it here on msnbc. more news straight ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪

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fast food workers set off another wave of protests for better working conditions this week, taking to the streets in about 30 cities across the country on tuesday. what started with just 200 fast food wokers walking out of work in new york city a year and a half ago has grown into a nationwide movement that's garnered the attention of businesses, elected officials, and the president of the united states. fast food workers have been taking to the streets for more than a year now to demand higher wages and the right to form a union but this week's demonstrations were different. they involved one corporation, mcdonald's, and the demand was simple. pay your workers the wages they are legally due. last week mcdonald's workers in three states filed seven lawsuits alleging that mcdonald's and some of their fran chee

franchises had violations of labor laws that could be considered wage theft. according to the workers' attorneys these lawsuits could cover 30,000 workers. >> i have often been forced to work off the clock and after my shift ends at midnight for five to ten minutes, sometimes 15 to 20 minutes, doing cleanup and other basic job duties. it may not sound like a lot but when you're living on the edge like me, every penny counts. >> a statement saying, quote, mcdonald's and our independent owner/operators are committed to undertaking a comprehensive investigation of allegations. just as this new round of lawsuits kicked off, new york attorney general announced the results of another lawsuit his office spearheaded last year. the owner of seven new york city mcdonald's franchises agreed to pay more than 1,600 workers nearly half a million dollars to settle a claim he failed to pay his workers all the wages they were owed.

this comes just two weeks after snyderman won a $2 million settlement for 1,000 car wash workers who had been victims of wage theft. here is what one car wash worker had to say after that victory. >> translator: this is a little b battle. this shows if we can win this, imagine how much more we can win. >> to discuss what we can expect as the fight for fair pay moves from the streets into the courts, we are joined by new york attorney general eric snyderman. sir, thank you for being with us. >> thank you, krystal. >> tell us about the latest settlement you were able to negotiate with the mcdonald's franchise owner. how did this come about and what does it mean? >> we're finding increasingly fast food work eers are speakin up, finding their voice, and that manifests itself in their street action, they're campaigning, and more people are blowing the whistle on employers trying to beat people out of poverty wages. during most of the period of time of our investigation into these mcdonald's franchises the

minimum wage was $7.25 an hour so they were cheating people out of even making that. fast food work eers are rising . they are speaking up. they're getting the attention of the public, the press, and offices like mine where we want people to come and report wage theft, they're getting legal action. we got these seven franchises to agree to pay back wages for things like refusing to give them the laundry allowance, making cashiers make up a shortfall in their register, and as has been mentioned, getting people to clock out, forcing them to do work when they weren't clocked in really wage theft is one of the most egregious forms of theft. it is despicable. people who have money stealing from people who don't and that's really something we can't tolerate in the state of new york. >> and really preying on the powerless. a lot of these workers feel like they don't have the ability or the power to go to their employer and say, hey, this wasn't fair, because they think

they'll get fired and they'll bring in another worker. >> that's a very important important point and we have a strong retaliation law. there were some domino's workers who tried to organize and complain. 25 were fired. my office got them their jobs back very, very quickly and these mcdonald's franchises we s settled with have agreed to a y abide by a strong nonretaliation order. people engaging in wade theft, cheating people, every month have to make a choice between paying the rent, medicine, buying food, cheating them even out of the small amount that they're daue. >> unbelievable. does the problem here and the pressure come more from the franchise owners or more from the corporate level? as we mentioned there are a number of other lawsuits across the country that are focusing on mcdonald's as a corporation and one of the lawyers alleges that the problem really starts at the

top. they say that mcdonald's franchisees use software provided by the company that instructs restaurants to retuesday staffing when sales drop below a certain level in any given hour so applying a lot of pressure there. as a result the lawyer said some mcdonald's workers in the suit were ordered upon reporting to work not to clock in for an hour or two and instead wait until more customers arrived. is there a problem also at the corporate level, and do you have plans to launch an investigation of mcdonald's the corporation rather than just the franchise owners? >> well, our investigations are ongoing and as you mentioned the lawsuits filed in michigan, california and new york, do allege, and it appears to be the case, that there is software made available by the corporation to the franchises so they can do what's called just in time staffing which essentially means workers are waiting around to see often if they get a call, if it's busy enough for them to come in. it's an abusive practice and the

inqu inquiry into whether or not this is violating any laws and whether it's something more of a nationwide problem is ongoing. >> you would say that's something you are looking into. >> we're very interested in this. we're interested and, also, this is not something -- this is an epidemic in the fast food industry. credit to mary kay hen try and the service employees international union have undertaken this fast food effort. in new york we have great groups on the ground, make the road for change, fast food forward, who are helping these workers find their voices and you'll see more and more workers stepping up without fear of retaliation that d dominate this had industry for so long and we'll be seeing changes here. they are inspiring higher paid workers because the poorest of the poor, the most vulnerable can speak up, everyone else should speak up, too. >> and on another related issue that the "new york times" is just reporting on, the minimum wage just lifted to $8 an hour from $7.25.

"the new york times" is reporting that there's a number of establishments that didn't get the memo. they're still paying their workers under the old wage. do you have a plan to address those sorts of violations? >> we have a broad plan about wage theft that we've been implementing since i became attorney general. in new york we treat wage theft like car theft. it's not a smart business practice. it's not a clever thing you learn when getting your mba. it's theft. taking money from poor people. we encourage people, fast food workers, others, some he legitimate businesses who play by the rules are reporting some of the bad actors, too. we have a website ag.ny.gov. anyone can come forward, always confidential. we're getting more and more leads, krystal. >> that's great. >> i think this will happen all over the country. >> workers are lucky to have you here. thank you for taking this on. thank you for joining us today,

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a big pot of beans and rice could tend to itself on the stove n. raleigh, north carolina, in the year 2013 to the present day, mondays have taken on a very different significance. they became known as moral mondays, a day of protests outside the state capital as the republican controlled legislature limited reproductive rights, made it harder for folks to vote and denied health care to some of its most vulnerable citizens. among other acts of what many consider legislative overreach. and now it looks like the moral monday protest movement that civil rights groups launched a year ago in north carolina is spreading across the deep south. this week's demonstrations outside state houses in atlanta, georgia, and columbia, south carolina, in protest against those states' refusal to accept federal money to expand

medicaid. >> expand medicaid! expand medicaid! >> this this is really a small price to pay given the fact that there are a lot of people who are handcuffed to poverty and unable to get basic health care in the richest country in the world. and it isn't just the south. the faith-based protests have found voice further north in new york this month as part of moral march. see what they did there? on thursday 59 demonstrators were arrested for protesting legislation including tax cuts for the wealthy and cuts to state programs. an organizer for the moral monday movement in georgia told the "new york times" that they are, quote, at the beginning of a new southern strategy, and i have to say i like this one a whole lot better than the old one. one longtime tempt operative was more pessimistic about the impact the demonstrations could have. moral monday was just born out of frustration, he told "the times." it's a desperate battle for political relevance.

so can these groups have an impact on politics especially in an era in which big money toe n donors in politics, the fact they've lasted this long already and shown obvious signs of growth reason enough for hope? here to discuss just what kind of impact the moral monday movement is having, i am pleased to welcome reverend william barber, president of the north carolina naacp, a founder of the moral monday movement, and the historic pulpit of dr. martin luther king jr., reverend was arrest arrested at republican governor nait and deal's office for protesting the state's refusal to accept medicaid funding. thank you so much for being with me today. >> good morning. >> thank you so much, krystal. >> it's my pleasure. reverend, i wanted to start the with you. when you initially launched this moral monday movement, did you

have any eidea how big it would become? >> what we knew we are seeing in state capitols a new form of nullification. we are seeing it wrapped in tea party extremism where the argument is the way to a better society is to deny education, deny health care, deny voting rights, deny women's rights, deny immigrants' rights, deny rights to the lgbt community, deny labor rights, deny minimum wage and then if you really want to have a great society, extremists are saying give people more guns and more tax cuts to the wealthy. that kind of policy demands a moral response. that is what we have to have a response, it's not about democrat or republican but it's about states' rights and a moral society challenging policies saying they are constitutionally inconsistent and economically insane. we knew when we did this, we would grab hold of a deep long

ing in the hearts of americans to do what is right by our brothers and sisters and why we've seen such a power and such a movement beginning to foster across this country. >> yeah, i love the way that you talk about how this isn't just about left versus right. it's about right versus wrong and i was hoping you could tell us about the most recent protests in georgia where you were arrested. what are people energized in georgia around? >> well, there is this growing sense that we've had more than enough. if you watch the state ledges a legislature in georgia this past week, the message was sadly very, very clear. here is a legislature that refused to expand medicaid, a benefit that the federal government has promised to provide at 100% and then by 2020 would ratchet down to 90%. our governor said that we can't afford to expand medicaid.

our argument was that we cannot afford not to expand medicaid. interest king said that of all the forms of injustice, inequality and health care is the most shocking and the most inhumane. and so this is a part of a larger movement and framework not only did they refuse to expand medicaid this very week, our legislature decided that it's a good idea for any worker who has reasonable suspicion to require recipients of food stamps, 53,000 of whom, by the way, are military personnel active and veterans to get a drug test and to pay for the drug test. in addition to that the legislature decided that it is a crime for any state employee to help people connect to the affordable care act. and so the message, it seems to me, is that it is against the law to be a poor person in the

state of georgia, and if you help people to access the ladders of opportunity that lift people into the middle class, you are guilt they of aiding and abetting poor people in their crime of being poor. >> reverend warnock, on the issue of expanding medicaid, what you have focused on in your protests thus far, things just got worse, you could say, in the state of georgia. they passed additional laws making it even more difficult to potentially expand medicaid in the future, and this comes on top of the fact that it is disproportionately poor folks who are impacted by southern states' failure to expand medicaid. >> yes, and it impacts people in so many ways. there certainly is a moral argument to be made for the expansion of medicaid but there's also, krystal, an economic argument to be made.

it is calculated that expanding medicaid in a state where you have rural hospitals closing because you have so many uninsured people -- we have the fifth highest population of uninsured individuals of any state in the union. our rural hospitals are closing, people are hurting. this expansion of medicaid would not only provide care to those who need it, it would produce some 56,000 new jobs, generate $65 billion of new economic activity in the state of georgia. and so in the name of ideology, a kind of myopic and mean-spirited politics, we've desight d decided to put a stranglehold on the georgia economy. >> both our guests are staying with us. when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums!

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we are back now with reverends barber and warnock. reverend barber, what do you see as having been the greatest

impact of the moral monday movement? we can look at the republican governor's job approval ratings and see that they have precip it tusly declined since the moral monday movement started. what would you say has been the greatest impact? sh. >> well, that's one of the great things. you see, this movement didn't just start last year. it's been organized for more that seven years. we saw nearly 100,000 people show up. it's republican, it's democrat, it's white, it's black, it's latino, people of faith, people that are struggling with faith, doctors, uninsured, business people. all who say, wait a minute. there are some things bigger than republican and democrat and liberal versus conservative. and when we began to frame issues and say economics is a moral issue, health care is a moral issue, how do we provide public education is a moral issue, voting vits, immigrants

rights, and we change the messaging. what we have seen is the governor started out about 50%. now his numbers are well under 30%. the legislature over 40%. now their numbers are well over 19% because people began to understand that there is a better way. extremism takes us down the road to political destruction, and what we must do is lift these states to higher ground. what we must understand in the america now, state-based movements indigenously led is where we must focus. we must focus because the states, we want to change america, you must think states and you must think southern states. that's why we're seeing it break out in alabama now. we're seeing missouri is talking with about a moral movement. even in wisconsin, i was just there two weeks ago, and now they're organizing. changed the language and the methodology. >> reverend warnock, will your group get involved in elections

this november and politically organizing? >> well, the right to vote is preservative of all other rights. and certainly we will be engaged in registering people to vote. when our legislators engage in this kind of mean-spirited politics, many of them are counting on peep, quite frankly, not to pay attention. people are overwhelmed. they're working longer for less wages and we intend, yes, to empower and activate voters and get them to the polls. >> we saw a similar dynamic in my home state of virginia where we elected republican legislature and they went way further than the people wanted them to go. i think what you're doing in the south is amazing. it gives hope to a lot of people and is having a tremendous impact. thank you both for being with us. >> thank you so much. a full hour of news ahead beginning with an update on the search for malaysia flight 370 next. bably about five times.

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we are back with a second full hour of news and discussion ahead beginning with more on this morning's breaking news. malaysian authorities say france has provided more satellite images of object s that could b from the passenger jet that went missing. they are thought to be close to the areas of the southern indian ocean where previous satellite images showed other objects thought to be possible debris. they have not been able to l locate anything. eight search planes continue the search trying to discover whether a wooden cargo pallet also spotted yesterday by a civilian search plane may also have been from flight 370. wooden pallets are commonly used in the cargo holds of planes and also used in shipping containers at sea. a plane used radar and sonar technology to search for any

signs of flight 370. but much of the work was decidedly low tech, eyeballs looking out of windows. the crew was asked to divert to a possible debris sighting but it turned out to be a pile of floating sea weed. in all four hours into the search zone. >> some positives that we searched a bit of the area we can search somewhere else. let's bring in tom costello for the very latest on the search. tom? >> reporter: when we talk about the search area it's important to point something out, that looks like not that big of an area, right? this is the size of massachusetts. and kerry sanders had a great analogy, essentially what you're looking for is something the size of the top of a shed, the roof of a shed in the area of

massachusetts, and you're doing it by air. this is a huge massive undertaking. the wood en pallets, yes, it ca take six wooden pallets onboard. we don't yet know if there were any wooden pallets onboard that plane but to talk about how you b ubiquitous they saw a wooden pallet. turns out there was no wooden pallet on the air france plane. it was just more ocean junk. more stuff out there. this is really important. one piece, the piece that was spotted on chinese satellite is thought to be here. you may recall that the australian satellite picked up something right in there. this piece that the french say they may have seen is also somewhere in there, but this is literally at least 500 miles apart from each other. you are looking for something the size of a wooden pallet or a

73 piece of metal 500 miles from another piece a massive, massive undertaking. back to the other satellite image. let's begin with the one we had last week. this is the original piece from the australians and this is now already seven days old. and we're talking 79 feet here. and look at that. look at the definition on this. it's really, really poor, isn't it? the satellite imagery is like this when you're trying to get an idea what this is, using your best resources, the best analytics that the australians can provide and the french and the chinese and all they can tell you is you roughly 79 feet. another one may have been 16 feet over here. one of them, we're told, may have been 73 feet but that's a guess-timate. trying to guess what's on top of a rolling ocean with white caps. they don't even know if this is a piece of the plane.

all they know is a piece of something 79 feet is out there. a piece of something, maybe 73 feet, is out there and a third piece we have no specifics on from the french in terms of the size that they may have spotted. the reason they're all interested, the reason this has everybody's attention is because of the location. again, we're talking about right down there in this area already identified as a potential point of interest for where this plane may have gone but even that is a guess. can i give you one last point of reference here? let's go back to the big area map. this is the original -- remember what we were talking about two weeks ago? this plane was missing on a flight from here, way up to beijing and then we thought, no, wait, it doubled back, didn't it? and maybe came up this way. now we're all the way down here. just to give you a sense, look at the size of the earth here we have been focusing on. this is a massive, massive section and our attention has been diverted base d on the

latest intel. even this right now, even this is a guess. chr krystal, back to you. >> tom, one quick follow-up. one of the things people have been speculating is the debris spotted on the satellite could possibly be a shipping container, something that fell off of a ship. what size are shipping containers? would they be roughly consistent with the sizes we're looking at in these satellites? >> funny enough, call me a geek, i was googling that the other day and the biggest size i saw that is a standard shipping size is 40 feet. so this 73 feet feet or 79-foot piece would be bigger than the standard shipping container. that said, there are other things, there's so much junk and trash in the ocean. it could be anything. the australians have gone to great lengths to emphasize that point. t the. >> you're all over this. joining me here in new york msnbc aviation analyst john cox, a former captain for u.s. airways, and in washington bart jansen, transportation reporter with "usa today."

bart, would you say now that we're looking at three different satellite images of possible, possible, debris in the south indian ocean, would you say this is a hopeful sign we could be narrowing in on where that plane might be? >> well, it's definitely hopeful, but the problem with finding the debris is getting to it and trying to confirm it is a part of the plane. one of the challenges with the satellite pictures is the first two from a commercial satellite and from a chinese satellite were pictures taken last sunday and tuesday, so that even if they are parts of the plane, they could have drifted far from where they were. >> and, john, we have a lot of flights going out over this area searching, looking with human eyeballs for what they can see. is it possible they could have flown over this debris and just missed it altogether? >> it's possible. the you have some very professional, highly trained search teams out there used to doing maritime patrol, that are

used to looking for things in the water. part of what they're doing is utilizing what you described as low tech. but it's a very effective way of determining things that are of smaller size that don't have a temperature difference pro-vial so the sfra red systems don't necessarily work or a radar profile. they're using ray tar, infrared, enhanced optics and human eyeballs, all possible assets, and i think it's wise. >> sometimes human eyeballs are the best technology that we can possibly have. >> absolutely. >> one piece of information we have as well these wooden pallets were spotted in the ocean. could they have possibly been from the flight? if we did come back to these wooden pallets and were able to examine them, would we be able to discern whether they did actually come from this airplane or not? >> quite possibly. i think first there may be se serial numbers on them, the type of strapping peril may be

conclusive to say it was a known ship, a known shippers. ask malaysian airlines what cargo with great specificity was on the airplane. was there a wooden pallet onboard as mentioned previously? air france had no wooden pallets yet the searchers found a wooden pallet, obviously from a ship. these are the bits and pieces as we build the evidence trail that come in. some are discarded. some are valid and we have to be careful with that. >> bart, in your view are there any theories of what possibly happened that we can rule out at this point? can we say there was human intervention, or was it still possibly some sort of mechanical failure? >> well, i don't know if we can rule out anything yet. there are so many possibilities. the thing that was intriguing toward the start of the flight is the two pieces of equipment that might communicate from the plane stopped sending signals.

some people refer to this they turned them off you but that's not necessarily the case. if there was a fire onboard it could have disabled the equipment. and so then the curiosity the plane seems to have turned intentionally to the west from its northeast path. and so if something happened perhaps the pilots were still able to turn the plane perhaps to make an emergency landing, and then the question what might have prevented that? with the very little information that we have about the flight, we still have to explore every possibility, the reason that they're searching in the southern indian ocean is because a piece of the equipment that wasn't sending out messages but continued to tray to search for a satellite and so there was one pin g an hour for seven hours so it appears to have kept flying so they're looking along the path it might have been. >> john, let's say we locate one of these pieces of debris, what happens next? >> well, we look then to say, okay, now we have a known starting point.

there are people like the u.s. coast guard, there's a number of very, very sophisticated computer models that can take the actual wind, the actual current on the given days and then begin to build it backwards, to say, okay, this is the likely point of impact. from there, depending on the depth of the water, what's the current? where can we narrow the search down for the main body of the wreckage? >> what are the other pieces of investigation that are sort going on in parallel right now? while we are looking in the south indian ocean, we don't know for sure that that's where the plane is located. what else is going on in the investigation? >> well, the parallel investigation is going on. there's a criminal investigation that's looking into the backgrounds of everybody around the airplane, passengers, ground service agents, anyone involved, flight crew members. so that's one piece. on the other hand, you have the accident investigation, which is really kind of depending on finding initially debris but

they're culling for evidence of radar, culling for evidence of any known issues with the airplane. the airplane had sustained damage a couple years ago. mechanically, how was it? everything is still on the table. >> absolutely. my thanks to you, msnbc aviation analyst be john cox, and to bart jansen from "usa today." and we will be on this much more on all the latest developments on missing malaysia flight 370 throughout the show. this is for you.

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immigrant families in this country are being torn apart by deportation every single day. and in many cases they don't even get the chance to say good-bye. in january the family of this man in this "new york times" ard

article were holding a rally. they were clinging to the hope that he might not be sent back to mexico. what they didn't know officials had already put him on a bus heading south. one day earlier immigration officials denied his appeal. no one told them and he wasn't even allowed to make a phone call himself. his wife didn't find out until he got to mexico. he called her from the bus station in the violence ridden border town where they dropped him off. she could literally hear gunshots in the back ground. that family's story sadly is not an unusual one. during the obama administration stories like theirs have flourished. soon more deportations will have occurred during the first five years of the obama presidency than all eight years of the previous bush administration. this regrettable accomplishment earned him the nickname deporter in chief by the head of the hispanic civil rights organization. it looks like all that have might finally be about to change.

something he made clear to a heckler in november, he's reluctant to do. >> if i could solve all these problems without passing laws in congress, i would do so. we're also a nation of laws. >> as president obama has wanted, the recent movement to change did start in congress. three leading tempt senators chuck schumer and bob mennen tez called on the president to slow the pace of deportations. last week caucus members prepared to vote on a resolution demanding the president curb deportations. three leading members got called to the white house for a discussion. that was followed by meeting with immigration activists on a thoughtful meeting. the deporter in chief, the president of the national

council, januaet, was called to work directly with the department of homeland security. >> he has asked us to work directly with secretary johnson to really find more humane ways to be able to address the situation and to reduce those at the portations wherever we can. >> on friday the white house announced that meeting will take place this tuesday morning. all of that taking place really just among democrats. are for any real change, republicans need to be involved. house speaker john boehner cast doubt on whether a bill could pass pinning the blame not on the house g op but on president obama's use of executive actions. >> there's widespread doubt abouwhether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws. and it's going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that change.

>> which seems to be a pretty hard charge to make stick when the current president is deporting more undocumented immigrants than any president before him. so is a more humane deportation policy on its way? and what effect will it have on a comprehensive immigration reform package? here to discuss the immigration reform movement is jose antonio vargas, an undocumented pulitzer prize winning journalist and filmmaker whose new film is being screened in the next few weeks. jose, so glad to have you with us. the latest news the president is reviewing his deportation policy and, let's be clear, he can't wave a wand and fix the problem himself. but what could we reasonably expect him to be able to do? is. >> let me just say i think it's imperative that we say the grassroots activists are the ones who really made this happen. >> right. >> the grassroots activists,

including the guy who heckled the president, i think he was just politely asking the president a question. he has been insisting on something to happen and has been calling president obama the deporter in chief for years now. so the fact that finally the are more mainstream organizations are using this term i think is what got the white house worried. >> interesting. >> now the key word here, as you said, is something might happen. let's remember that, when was it, house republicans actually passed a resolution trying to challenge a law. >> a change that the from president made using prosecutorial discretion to say children could stay in this country. >> what we have here is -- i hate to say this, but it's moral bankruptcy, right? we have a state of affairs in which republicans are saying we don't want to do anything

because we don't trust this president. the president saying i can't to anything without this congress. and in the middle of that are thousands and thousands of families being -- suffering, and people deported every day. i'm really hoping, i'm trying to be cautiously optimistic that the president may actually do something. >> what could he legally do? >> that is open to interpretati interpretation. but at the very least, right, the fact that we have undocumented immigrants who are related to u.s. citizens, i mean, that's something that could happen, right? we have people who have minor offenses that are getting deported that don't need to be deported, right? i mean, i think, to me, really the challenge here is how can we convince the general public, right, that this is not as if every day there's massive people coming here, right? the number of people crossing the border or illegally coming into the united states are net zero migration.

it's time we fix the priority and how to relieve suffering every day. >> one of the things republicans have insisted on in any comprehensive immigration reform is that, quote, the borders must be secure before we can go forward. what do you say to that? >> that is where it is intellectually dishonest. it is secure. we've spent billions securing this border. i've done like 190 or so events in 40 states in about two and a half years. once you explain to people the facts are, that the border is secure, that people like me are paying taxes, that people like me have been -- i've been acc t separated from my mother for 20 years. once people hear these personal stories, i think people understand that something must really be done, that it's an urgent, immediate thing. >> one of the things you're so great about is keeping this personal, reminding people this is about real people in this country. you do have a new film out.

>> i've been working on it three years. >> i wanted to show a little bit of that. let's take a look. >> great. so here's my story. my grandparents legally emigrated from the philippines in the mid-1980s. my grandfather decided he would get his grandson to come to america. one morning my suitcase was packed. i was 18. it's been 18 years since i've seen my mother. >> tell me about the folks that you're fighting for. >> the folks i'm fighting for are asking to be taken out of this ghetto we've dragged it into, are asking people to transcend politics and partisanship to come up with a solution. i wonder what hillary clinton and rand paul and all these people who may be runninging for president, right, in the next couple of years, where their stance is on the issue.

i'm hoping paul ryan, john boehner, these republican leaders understand that something must happen but how do we actually transcend politics to make it happen? >> is it going to take another huge national embarrassing loss by the republican party to get new momentum on immigration reform? >> i don't -- we thought that was 2012, right? the fact we are living in a country 50% of kids under the age of 18 are not white, they are mostly latinos and asians and immigration is personal. this is about their aunts, their un uncles, their brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers. this is not some political football. this is personal. and i think that's the message we've been send iing not only president obama but also republicans. >> thank you so much for your work in this area. thanks for being here with us this morning. and lots of news to come this hour including why women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes in this year, 2014. my panel will try and explain

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discussion. >> but helpfully "the washington post" asked read eers to send i suggestions. for example, one possibility was it takes a world, a fitting sequel to it takes a village. the other plays off my love of all things tina fey, bossy pant suit, although we can no longer say one of those words. >> when a girl who grew up fully empowered be willing to accept making 77 cents for every dollar that a man makes? equal pay for equal work emerged as a big issue in the texas governor's race this week. that is next with our panel. gunderman group is a go.

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address the wage gap between men and women. lily led better worked as a supervisor at a goodyear plant in alabama. one of the few women who had that job and she didn't know at the time she worked there that the men at the mant made more than she did. she filed a gender discrimination lawsuit and won more than $3 million in back pay. but the u.s. supreme court overturned her victory saying she didn't file her lawsuit soon you enough, she didn't know she made less than the guys didn't matter. with his signature president obama nullified the supreme court's decision. he made it possible for all women to keep fighting wage discrimination. things still aren't perfect. they earn 77 cents for every dollar a man does but they have the legal right to fight for more. the law was made possible by the fact there was a democratic house back when obama took office and a super majority in the senate. a legislative victory that reverberated into the next

presidential election. >> what ways do you intend to rectify the inequalities in the work place regarding females making only 72% of what their male count he parts earn? >> that's a great question. this is one of the reasons, one of the first -- the first bill i signed was something called the lily ledbetter bill. >> governor romney, pay equity for women? >> we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds to become members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's groups and said can you help us find folks and they found binders full of women. >> that moment lit up the internet. binders full of women became an unstoppable awkward response. the obama campaign continued on the gaffe. he won the women's vote and secured re-election. people have all of that in mind as we look at the latest

developments in the texas governors race. wendy davis has been campaigning on her support of legislation for a state version of the federal lily ledbetter law. so that a woman in a state court in texas would have the same protections a woman would have in federal court, very important. davis sponsored a bill to do just that but it was vetoed by governor rick perry. earlier this month wendy davis' opponent greg abbott dodged the question of whether he would have signed that legislation if elected governor. two texas republicans stepped in to try and explain the party's position. >> we don't believe the lily ledbetter act is what's going to solve that problem for women. we believe women want real world solutions. if you look at it, women are extremely busy.

we lead businey lives. times are extremely busy. it's a busy psycycle for women we've a lot to juggle. >> what? the next day the executive trektor of the texas republican party added this. >> men are better negotiators, and i would encourage women instead of pursuing the courts for action to become better negotiators. >> so that happened. by wednesday the abbott campaign trade to quell the growing storm with a succinct statement making it clear and declaring abbott would indeed veto the littly ledbetter legislation as governor. the issue continued to get worse for beabbott. >> now to vote 2014 today in a story that is sparking a lot of coverings how attorney general greg abbott pays his staffers. >> specifically what he pays women and how it compares to what the men in his office make. for example, let's look at what

assistant attorneys make. men in that job make a little more than $79,000. women with the same role make about $6,000 less. >> in 2012 equal pay for equal work was a galvanizing issue for president obama. and as wendy davis continues to wage an uphill battle against greg abbott, will the issue of equal pay help to win over texas voters? and how long will it take for the gop to come up with anything approaching a coherent position on pay discrimination? here to help answer those questions are huffington post reporter laura bassett, senior vice president at the liberal think tank center for american progress, jess mcintosh at the democratic women's pac, emily list, and labor economist at the new school. ladies, thank you so much for joining us. i know you all are very busy. >> extremely. >> i'm really glad you could make it. it's an amazing panel made greater that five out of the three of us went to uva.

how about that? >> go virginia. >> teresa, i wanted to start with you on this issue of where the pay gap actually comes from. is it because women are bad at negotiating? is it because we're busy? what do economics say? >> economists have never said it's because we're bad negotiators or because we're so productive. the pay gap has really been persistent and some of the theories are that actually employers feel much more comfortable offering women much lower pay rates. and so when women do negotiate, and women don't negotiate, they take the wage offered, the employer comes in at a much lower level and the answer with about that has been i just don't feel comfortable offering a man such a low wage. >> interesting. we don't want to put too much credence in what we're clearly sort of offensive and inaccurate

comments but people wondering, accord i according to "foshs" even if you look at ceo pay, folks who are good negotiators, even if you look at ceo pay, women are earning 80% of what men earn. so there's clearly more to it than just negotiation skills. >> just for your audience, why women get paid less than men has been the subject for economists for the past 30, 40 years. and the answer is still the same. as our data gets better, productivity differences, but a good 20% to 30% of the pay gap is due to just plain pay discrimination. >> you can see a the lot of studies show that motherhood particularly plays a role in that. laura, turning to this race, you've been covering closely. you've been covering these comments really closely, is

wendy davis closing the gap with greg abbott partly on the basis of her advocacy for fair pay? >> yes. i think her campaign had a big turnaround this week. they had been criticized a lot for a couple mistakes they made. there were some questions over her biography and it seemed she kept being on the defensive when they brought the abortion issue, which doesn't play that well in t texas. she was -- it seemed she was back tracking on that. she really went on the offense this week on the equal pay issue and it really reminds me what went on in the romney campaign when he was dodging and unable to answer that question and that's what's going on with greg abbott and tried to send out some republican women this week i think because when a woman is talking about equal pay, it sounds a lot better maybe except that it didn't this week. except when it doesn't. and what's interesting the head of a republican women's pac whose sole job is to rally women voters for greg abbott and the main criticism is this equal pay

issue. the fact she was completely unprepared to answer that question is just mind-boggling. >> daniella, it doesn't help to have female is your fwats saying the same stuff the men are saying. >> it's intemic endemic of a br probl problem. their answer is just let the marketplace handle it. there's no problem, no discrimination. women need to negotiate better, make better choices, and this problem would go away. kudos to wendy davis for jumping on this issue. and i think you'll see it play out on the federal level. >> republicans like to assign blame to culture rather than structural factors. you see that as a theme throughout their position and, jess, you you have been very involved with this race. there were some endered attacks on wendy davis over her bio and it almost seemed like she was on her heels. she was suffering from that. she was struggling to make the case that these attacks were unfair and they essentially were painting her as a bad mother. which is unbelievable.

now there's some momentum and she is able to build a case, look, his surrogates have no idea what to say on this issue. he's bad on the issue of equal pay for equal work and even within his own office there seems to be some pay it shall gender pay discrimination. >> republicans continue it shall one year out of their big rebranding, pay lip service to this idea they have a woman problem. they need to do something to re-engage women and then they continue to do exactly the opposite thing that would get women into their fold. if you look at the abbott campaign, first you have the bad mother attacks which i think alienate add the lot of women who ought to have been on abbott's side as republican texan women. you know when that's unfair and they knew. and then you have ted nugent who it shall he goes around campaigning with ted nugent. he might be the big unifier for women and now we're seeing him completely floundering on the issue of equal pay.

republicans in general have nothing to say on this issue. and those poor women that we saw stammering all over the place are just indicative of the fact they don't have an answer. republicans usually say that it doesn't exist. well, numbers prove otherwise. and when they're confronted at that, they're at a loss. you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you? ♪ when you think about it, isn't that what retirement should be, paying ourselves to do what we love? ♪

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♪ ♪ a woman deserves policies to protect her right to have a baby without losing her job. it's pretty clear that if men were having babies we'd have different policies. >> so true. president obama speaking on thursday on our current work place policies and we're talking about pay discrimination and i want to look nationwide as well and, jess, as you're watching

what's going on on the ground in texas, is this a model for other candidates, male and female? >> absolutely. texas is not the only campaign that is really -- we have a lot of women, democratic women, running this year. and i think they provide an incredible contrast to these republicans that cannot speak to women's issues n. tennessee you you have grimes running against mitch mcconnell and she has made a lot out of the equal pay issue, and women are paying attenti attention. she does a lot of research into women's voters. equal pay is the number one work place issue more than flexibility, more than wages. women know that this -- and this is relatively new. a few years back women weren't as attune to the fact this was as widespread as it is. they know now and they can vote on it. so when we have these candidates running across the country able to speak to their day-to-day lives, running against these guys who are entirely out of touch, i think it will be an interesting cycle. midterms are tough but it will be interesting. >> the part that i don't

understand, right, this is a terrible issue for republicans. romney was terrible on it, abbott is terrible on it. they get beat up and beat up because who wants to be against equal pay? it's just wrong. it doesn't make any sense to anyone. so why is it so hard to get any republ republicans to actually support the policy of equal pay? >> oh, my goodness. do i have answers for that question. i mean, it goes back to what i said earlier. they don't believe that the government should be doing anything that interferes with the practice of business. so there is a role for government to play in making sure women are paid fairly and equally. it's so against what they believe as a free market republic kwan that they refuse do anything even though they are getting beat up over and over again and cannot come up with an answer for it. >> it increases profits. when women can be paid less than men, then you can you bring in a low paid woman and cut the wages for men, too.

so in every place you see big je jepd gender gaps, lower pay for men and higher profits. it's not a belief. it's an economic interest. >> teresa, i challenge that. there's research that shows when you elevate women to the highest levels, when women are successful within a company culture, can companies are more profitable. so where does that come into the republican calculation? >> well, it's a little bit schizophrenic. when women are uplifted, there's more productivity but it's a long-term sustainable kind of profit. if you're a manager and you have to actually show that you've kept wages low, you do a little wage theft, a little pay discrimination, throughout the corporation it pays the corporation to pay women less. >> i want to point out that a big republican argument, and greg abbott's argument, has been women are protected. pay discrimination is illegal

and that's interesting particularly in the case of greg abbott. as attorney general he defended a state university in texas against a woman who was being paid less than her colleagues for the same work because he said the federal law, the lily ledbetter act, doesn't apply to state cases in texas. and so obviously he won that case and the woman didn't get any compensation for having been paid unequally for years. >> and he pays the women in his own office less in one of the eight states in the country that tonight have these laws to protect women statewide. >> obviously not protected. >> it has been a little while since we passed the fair pay act and basically what it allows women to do is it gives them a longer period of time to sue for gender based pay discrimination because essentially what happened to lily ledbetter she didn't know she was being discriminated against until many years later. >> she got her pension. >> when she went to the courts they said, sorry, you know, your time limit expired.

well, i had no idea. so that's what lily ledbetter does. the act would have allowed her then to sue successfully and be awarded that pay. i mean to me this gets to a bigger issue that's that's not just about gender. it's about the fact that republican economic policies benefit folks who are already well off. >> yes. >> it benefits businesses who are large contributors to them. it benefits people who are already at the top of the income. and i think, increasingly, people are feeling like this party has nothing to offer me. >> you're absolutely right. it's not just the people at the top. it's the people at the top of the top. >> yeah. >> because that point you made about, when you have men and women in equal numbers on your boards, your bottom lines are actually higher, that's good economic policy for everybody involved in the big business, for everybody involved in the corporation, except for those at the very, very top. so if republican policies were rooted in fact, and consequence

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in the time we have left this morning, i want to find out what my guests think they should know for the week ahead. >> i'll stick with the pay equity issue. everyone knows the 77 cents on the dollar figure, but those numbers are so much worse for women of color. in texas, hispanic women make 45 cents on the dollar. >> wow. >> those are crisis numbers. and a story that hasn't gotten enough attention that abbott has some problems the way he's been paying his non-white workers. >> thank you for bringing that up. teresa? >> everybody should know what everybody in their office or their workplace is being paid. >> transparency. >> because as soon as you all know what everyone's being paid, something magically happens. the bottom gets raised, people start asking for justification, and if you do that, both the women and the men in your office will be paid more. >> i love that idea. laura? >> on a different topic, something to watch for this week, the supreme court's going to be hearing oral arguments in the hobby lobby case on tuesday to decide whether employers can refuse to cover birth control

for women on moral grounds. >> we will definitely be watching that. >> and related, we've got one more week to sign up for the affordable care act. i know already of your viewers have signed up, but get your friends and family and ten people to sign up for the affordable care act. >> i want to thank jess mcen tosh, emily gifford, laura bassett from "huffington post," and daniella, thanks for getting up and thank you for joining us. steve will be back next week and thank you for having me, same time saturday and sunday at 8:00 eastern time. but coming up next is mhp with jonathan capehart in today for melissa. the supreme court is about to hear arguments on one of the biggest challenges yet to president obama's health care law, which happens to turn four today. that and the democrat's new strategy on the law. plus, the one and only misty copeland. stick around. nerdland is next. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age.

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this morning, my question, is retirement now a thing of the past? plus, president obama's law turns 4 and chases one of its biggest challenges yet. and the one and only misty copeland returns to nerdland. but first, the latest on malaysia airlines flight 370. good morning. i'm jonathan capehart, in for melissa harris-perry. let's get to new developments in the search for malaysian airlines flight 370. malaysian authorities say france has provided new satellite images of objects that could be from the flight that's been missing for more than two weeks now. we're still awaiting the release of that imagery, but we do know the objects are near the area in the indian ocean where two previous satellite images sho d ed debris. now, according to the associated press, a malaysian official involved in the search mission says the images were captud