if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." -- www.vitac.com very big ocean. there will be an amount of luck involved. >> we have a job and really keen that we can just continue. >> the search will continue. we'll continue as long as there's hope. >> holding out hope for mh-370. good afternoon to you all. i'm t.j. holmes. craig melvin is off today. you're watching msnbc. the french say they have a new lead from their satellites. and that has now reenergized the search more than two weeks after the flight vanished. >> we need to be a little bit tougher with this -- with putin or he is going to continue to take territory. >> so important that we take actions to deter further russian

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development, folks, on another day in the search for malaysian flight 370. there's satellite and radar echos to identify possible debris that could be from the missing plane. according to the associated press, the object located about 575 miles north of the other object spotted in the images by the australian and chinese government. the last australian search plane out today returned to base. one of the officers on board described the conditions they saw over the open ocean. >> quite poor. there were areas where there was a break in the cloud and sea state was lower than we have seen in previous days and so therefore visibility was slightly improved but not by much. >> tom costello is following the story from the beginning. start there. >> we're not talking about satellite photos. french are talking about echoed

and not the same fidelity as the images if the chinese and australians earlier in the week and something else came out today. we talked about the acars data. that is the data burst that comes from the plane. it's transmitted every 30 minutes or something in it and really updates what is happening with the plane's systems. the last acars ka da that burst we said before was a 1:07 a.m. malaysian authorities today came out and contradicted something. u.s. authorities said last week that the last acars data burst suggested that the pilot, somebody in the cockpit had preprogrammed in a u-turn. authorities today said there is no such preprogram in the acars data burst so this is yet again a situation where we're dealing with conflicting information from the malaysians, the u.s. authorities, whatever. it is important because it suggests maybe it wasn't preplanned as the data burst and

the information would suggest. again, the malaysians contrad t contradicting that. this is really what we're talking about in terms of all the imagery. this is important. this is the most recently piece of data that we have had coming from the chinese trying to get the telestrator to work there and said to be about 73 feet in length and it is very similar in length we're told to this piece from the australians that was about 79 feet or so. so two pieces of debris spotted within the past week by photograph, satellite photograph, suggesting 73 to 79 feet. now, that's terrible writing. how would you search for something that size when you have a search zone that's about now the smaller search zone is now isolated down to about 20,000 square miles. that is now the smaller search zone. well, here's an equivalent for

you. that's about 79 feet in the entire state of west virginia. west virginia is about the same size as a search zone. so you get a sense of the challenge here. looking for something that is about the length of a tennis court by air in rolling waves in area the size of west virginia. t.j., back to you. >> tom, who's been on this, thank you so much. we'll check back in. turning to former admiral allen. sir, thank you for being here. we hear how large the search area, even narrowed down. give us an idea here, sir, just how -- i guess, improbable is it even if you know the search area now and it is a little smaller, still how impossible is it that they find anything? >> well, t.j., under international search and rescue doctrine, there are key terms to be familiar with. one is datum.

that's the starting point for the search. sometimes a point or a track line and then probability of the detection. based on the size of the object looking for, the type of sensors, radar or just a human observers and the height of the aircraft, all that comes together for the probability that you would actually see a piece of debris in the water and the challenge here is that the very low probability of detections getting from the on-scene conditions with the wave heights with the search areas and present it is greatest challenge, knowing the starting point and trying to create probability of detection to find it. >> 31 aircraft, 21 ships from everything you have seen in news reports and everything -- all the information we are getting, does it sound like they're using every tool we have in -- everything they know to do in the book? there's nothing else they could be doing? >> well, i think it is a combination. you have to be able to cue the searches and there's use of overhead imagery and international partners working

very, very hard on this. but at the heart of this is sar coordination and then based on the time interval of when to search, there's drift and there's interviews and discussions of where it might have drifted to and come up with the most probablistic idea and doing that with the assets available. the problem is extended time to the search area and the on-scene area for the aircraft out there is very, very difficult. once you localize something and identified the debris or you have a sonar signal to lock in on, you can localize the search and everything is much easier. >> sir, we have to take advantage while we have you and your experience here, developing story keeping an eye on today, as well. coast guard working to contain an oil spill after a barge carrying nearly a million barrels of oil collided part of the houston ship channel closed right now. how dangerous of a situation are

we looking at there? >> we had a situation of a tug and a barge carrying very heavy fuel oil thand what you have is crossing situation of a large tanker and a tug and tow and an accident happened as a result of that. my understanding is a million gallons of heavy oil on the barge and stabilize the barge to just the tank where the damage occurred and somewhere on 10,000, 150,000 gallons so at this point there's resources brought to the scene to lessen the impact of the oil on the water. >> thank you. enjoy the rest of your sunday. >> thank you, t.j. >> all right. another developing story we're watching from turkey where the military there reportedly shot down a syrian war plane, they say it violated the air space. syrians say it was attacking rebels on the other side of the board.

it's likely to ramp up tensions. to the crisis now in ukraine. tensions remain high along the country's russian board earls. russian troops fired warning shots yesterday storming an air base in russian-controlled crimea. mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee lays blame for the crisis directly on vladimir putin. >> he goes to bed at night thinking of peter the great and wakes up thinking of stalin. we need to understand who he is and what he wants. we need to be a little bit tougher with this -- with putin or he is going to continue to take territory. >> likely overshadow the agenda on monday's nuclear security summit in the hague. president leaves late tonight for amsterdam. hello and what's the president hope to get out of the trip? >> reporter: well, t.j., this was a previously scheduled summit now going to be dominated by the crisis in ukraine.

the president's goal to shore up support, put on a united front with the european partners, he'll be meeting with the g-7 leaders and they will talk about ways in which they can pressure putin to prevent him from going into other parts of the ukraine, that's the big concern right now on the part of this administration and certainly throughout parts of europe. so, that's the goal but meantime on the home front, calls are growing louder among u.s. lawmakers for the administration to provide military assistance to ukraine, that's something that ukraine asked for the obama administration said it's considering. chairman rogers made that point on "meet the press" today so something that's under consideration all of this takes place, t.j., against the backdrop of lingering frustrations over the nsa program and the conventional wisdom is at the summit those leaders probably won't focus too much on that because the crisis in ukraine is just too enormous at this point. t.j.? >> all right.

thank you. as always. turning to michael mcfall, a u.s. ambassador to russia until just this february, now a msnbc contributor. let's listen -- good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> let's listen to congressman durbin. >> he is a bully. this notion that some sanction is going to stop formal colonel in the kgb from the ambitions of a russian empire is naive. >> so, what do you think about that assertion there that maybe the president, he's saying, any of us naive to think that this guy is going to change his stance based on sanctions? >> well, the initial sanctions that the obama administration adopted were not designed to change his mind. they were designed to punish putin and the immediate circle around him. i don't think anybody at the white house has any allusions about that but the second round of sanctions that the president

alluded to in his statement earlier this week against sectors of the economy, that was designed to deter putin from eastern ukraine. >> let's listen now on that point you just making, nato top commander talking about the very point saying that the russian force, at the border, now to the east, is very, very sizable and very, very ready. what are we looking at from the united states and the new issues for the united states if russia does cross that border into ukraine? >> well, it will depend on what happens inside the borders, right? there will have to be some violence between ukrainians and russians in the big cities. and that means that they'll have to be -- they'll respond to that. i think it's too early yet. i do not think that there's a presiptent yet to respond to. >> what's next?

i think a lot of folks talking about crimea, what would happen the day after the vote after the crimea and we saw what happened and we now know it seems like vladimir putin going full steam ahead and accepting crimea. so, i guess what is the next step? we have seen sanctions. waiting on them to take effect. and a hint to soften the stance. what's the next step as you see it? >> i think the next step is doing everything the west can to stabilize ukraine. that is the economy, make sure the political system becomes legitimate with the elections planned in may. and make sure that there's no attack inside eastern ukraine and the way to do that is to ensure that cooler heads preside and that they do not escalate the violence in eastern ukraine. that's the flashpoint right now. what will happen in the big cities in eastern ukraine? >> michael mcfall, good to see you, as always.

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country. obviously thinking about all kinds of decisions. >> you know, we clamor anything she says that could hint about 2016. right? hillary clinton speaking last night answering a question from a college student about a potential 2016 presidential run. former secretary of state has no firm decision as we know of just yet but continues to lead all the poll that is are out there. tomorrow she'll be at an education conference with another 2016 potential, that's former republican governor jeb bush. let's turn to michigan now. that state became the latest friday to remove restrictions to same-sex marriages but yesterday the move was stayed pending appeal. many couples moved before marriages were put on hold there. let's bring in the brain trust. evan wilson, founder and leader of freedom to marry. a national republican reporter

and ken blackwell at the family research council. evan, let's start with you, kind sir. talk about "the new york times" reporting today that legal experts say that the country is entering a marriage spring and predict that several of the circuit courts will rule that state laws limiting marriage to a man and woman are unconstitutional. marriage springs. that sound about, right? >> that is right. there are about 58 cases in 28 states now making their way up through the court system as couples are challenging discrimination in marriage and so far we're 9 for 9 in federal rulings in freedom of the marriage and diverse majority of americans including increasingly republicans who understand that denying gay couples hurts families and helps no one. >> family research council, the president, tony perkers said it's the result of activist

judiciary. we have changes and 17 states now that allow same-sex marriage. now they're not all because of activist judges. you have legislature that is have acted. you have even some referendums to take place. is this accurate to you, an activist judiciary? >> yes. i think the decision by the federal judge in michigan was not a matter of gardening but a matter of tinkering of a judicial mechanic and so i don't think the analogy of, you know, a thousand flowers blossoming in the spring is an accurate description. you know? there are almost -- there are 29, 30 states that define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. there are now 17 states that got to the opposite position through a variety of means and as a consequence, this is more than a

question of marriage but it is the role and the relationship between the federal government and the states. you know, i have no doubt that there are some on the bench who are activists who believe that they can redefine marriage, definition of marriage with us over 2,500 years. >> what about the legislatures, i guess, and voters, as well? yes, you might say there's activist judges -- >> in those states, you know, you have to understand what i believe. i believe that those states have gone through a process and they have defined their right as a state to define marriage as, you know, between, you know, same-sex couples. i think they're on a slippery slope because if you drill down, what they're basically saying is that there's no compelling state

interest to say two people in love can -- hold it. can marry. as soon as you go down that slippery slope, when's the state interest of telling two men and one man that they can't marry. >> you know and you have heard plenty of arguments in response to that. i wanted to get in there to get you in on this. a lot of people certainly think this is headed to the supreme court at some point and from what we're seeing any indications from the lower court decisions that give us any indication of what the higher court might do? >> at this point, it's a pivotal moment because the circuit courts come down with decisions in the fall as to the constitutionality and the circuit courts cover group of states. if they conflict, it's all but

certain the supreme court will have to weigh in and could come as early as 2015 or 2016. presidential year. so it will also be a big political issue and the opinions on same-sex marriage have changed very rapidly. we are seeing a lot of rapid movement on this and, you know, i know social conservatives, they really want this issue to still be an issue that the gop embraces but given the changing attitudes in this country, it will be a big internal debate for the republican party as to whether they still want to talk about this issue even if the supreme court decides to take it up again. >> it's not just growing majority support in the country. a majority of republicans, republicans under age 45 support the freedom to marry. 61% of republicans under age 30 support the freedom to marry and the reason we have won 9 out of 9 judges ruling in favor of the freedom to marry and the most recent judge appointed by president ronald reagan, is that what the courts have seen is what the american people have

seen. there's no good reason to deny the slippery slope. gays don't use up the marriage licenses. couple who is are in love and who have made a commitment and raising kids and worrying about aging parents participate fully and equally in the responsibilities and commitment and joy that marriage brings and that's a good thing. >> ken, i'll let you respond if you can do it in 15 seconds and allyah the same. >> i look at the numbers. 29, 30 states say marriage is a union between one man and one woman. that is the case. that is the law of the land. it is going to the supreme court. and i would think that it probably will be 5-4 or 6-3 decision. >> you wrap it up. >> in favor of traditional marriage. >> you wrap it up for me. will we see huge lobbying efforts heading into the next couple of years? >> i'm sure but you can look at

the states and see opponents of same-sex marriage that the momentum behind them is just not there for those who are advocates but expect there to be a big clash and people lobbying they sides on this issue. >> evan, elahe, ken, thank you. we'll see you again on this topic. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> bye-bye. first lady obama and her daughters went to the great wall of china today. same section as hillary clinton visited in june 1998. the clintons, they didn't have twitter. mrs. obama posted this pic after their visit. lth plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. suddenly you're a mouthbreather. well, put on a breathe right strip

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update on the news we have been following this afternoon. the french government has given malaysian officials what's described as satellite radar echos to identify debris that may be from the malaysia airline flight 370. there's an image of the object in the oceans 1,400 miles away from perth, australia. that location is in the same general area of the possible debris that was spotted in those

other satellite images. officials are looking at the lead, the search by an international force ended with no luck. australian maritime safety authority said there were no sightings of significance, a stark contrast of yesterday when a palette and strapping belts were found but the australian prime minister still says there's hope. >> it's still too early to be definite but obviously we have now had a number of very credible leads and there is increasing hope, no more than hope, no more than hope, that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this ill-fated aircraft. >> australian flight crews just back have reported the visibility around the search area has been pretty poor today. meantime, there's a cyclone headed to the search area. for more on that, head to meteorologist veronica johnson.

hello again. what are we talking about here? in our terms, i guess, cyclone, we talk in hurricane talk around here. what are we looking at here and how can it move things around out there? >> it would be the equivalent of a category 3 and a lot of wind even with the hurricanes we face. there's indonesia, australia. sizable storm, strong storm. look at the last image. watch it. because you will see more orange, more yellow. that is an indication that this cyclone, severe tropical cyclone julian is still strengthening. in fact, here we are. take a look at the storm. the size of it. circulation of it. this is an area in the indian ocean where the winds quarterback erratic. you take this storm system, you put it just north of the investigation site and facing some not so good conditions by the time they get to midweek. why? it is moving to the south and

west and not moving very fast and should stay just to the north and west of the investigation site but it is about as large as the site that they have been going into. and any time you get the storms starting to weaken, the bands of rain and wind can break off and that could be the case on tuesday and wednesday of next week. but here's the deal. tomorrow i expect the cyclone to start weakening. i think by the time we get to tuesday the winds down to about 39 to 73 miles per hour. but even so, if any of the bands break off, t.j., they could be looking at huge waves over 10 feet and a whole lot of rain, too, that will reduce visibility. t.j., the forecast by the time we get to friday, saturday of next week, there's the potential of another cyclone that could develop and that could mean waving over 16 feet by friday, saturday time. >> thank you so much. they have a lot to worry about. now this. thank you so much. good having you this weekend. a desperate search, as well.

small town north of seattle. a mudslide killed three people there saturday. eight others hurt, including a 6-month-old boy. 18 people may be trapped. nbc's miguel almenguer has the latest. >> reporter: the search for survivors in the mudslide continues. the slide triggered 55 miles outside of seattle after heavy and steady rain for two weeks. first responders have come and scoured the area looking for victims after hearing cries for help late overnight. first responders from across the region all centered attention on this area. they're also concerned about localized flooding. this mudslide clogged a local river and the concern is downhill that that water will rush into neighboring communities so today they're looking for survivors and warning neighbors here in this area to be prepared for catastrophic flooding. back to you. >> all right. thank you so much. well, it was four years ago

today that the president signed the affordable care act into law. the house has since voted more than 50 times to repeal it. hasn't worked. this week, the supreme court will hear arguments in two cases challenging the government's right to compel private employers to provide contra septemberive coverage under the law. let's bring in a social justice attorney and women's right activist running for the california state senate and came to public attention when republican lawmakers refused to let her testify before a house committee. she later testified at a democratic hearing. hello to you. when's at stake in this case in your opinion? >> so much is at stake. this is not only about comprehensive, affordable access to reproductive health care for millions of women on their insurance but because of the way the case is framed it could mean any employer could choose to not

cover any type of health insurance coverage because of their personal beliefs and could have even broader implications for other types of law that is protect employees and customers from discrimination by a business. >> and this is -- i mean, we have a particular case here and specific to contraceptive coverage but should we be concerned -- i guess it's okay to be that way, but should we stay narrowly focused or should we not stay narrowly focused? trying to explain i guess the grander scope but do you have real concerns it will go further? further than what we are talking about here. >> absolutely. when's at stake here is can a for-profit company be considered to have religious beliefs? the proponents of these cases are arguing that in the citizens united line of thinking that corporations have the kinds of religious concerns that people do so that's one concern for a lot of us who don't believe that a corporation should have the same rights as people. beyond that, yes.

we have seen cases over many decades where businesses and owners of businesses have tried to justify discrimination based on their religious beliefs. for example, that was often cited as a reason why a business did not want to serve people of color along with white customers. currently, we continue to see arguments about services being made available to lgbtq customers and employment discrimination against that community and cases where an employer tried to say that the religious beliefs justify not paying women as much as men for the same work. >> now you -- >> this could have a very broad scope. >> broad scope. implications you described there. let's stick with hobby lobby for a second and which this case is about. do you think possibly -- something unique here about hobby lobby given that mr. green, the head of that company, he has seemed to -- i mean, he

seems to be very devout in the religious beliefs and also -- as he argues has kind of framed his business around this idea that -- they're not open on sunday and close early. do you find it to be unique that maybe by the argument i'm not just a business. i'm a guy that built a business based on my rely you beliefs? >> well, i completely respect his religious beliefs and as a christian i probably share some of them with him but the problem is that when you try to take your own personal beliefs and impose them upon your employees, when you try to go into the secular for-profit sector and say that the business should be entitled to be respected for its beliefs, that's when we're crossing the line. the policy at issue here, the contraception policy under the affordable care act exempts houses of worship. religiously affiliated not profits are not required to

either. they're able to be uninvolved and not contribute money but the employees get access. this is for-profit corporations removed from being a religious organization and that's the point at which to say that we respect individual's personal beliefs in the personal lives but we have to abide by the same laws when we enter the marketplace. >> all right. sandra fluke, good to see you. >> thank you. >> probably see you more as this debate continues and get ready to hear from the supreme court. thanks so much. >> thank you. tuesday's court case will deal with what women can and can't do before pregnancy and another case on this day in 1981 that had to do with the choices young women make after conception. nigh 56-3 decision, the supreme court put a roadblock in the path of quick and easy abortions. the court approved the utah law requiring doctors to note faye girl's parents before performing an abortion. three called the law a

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for folks. the legislation says student cans attend college for free but each year they attend they pay a percentage of income into the fund for five years so that means a four-year degree at a university would cost you 4% of your income and you'd have to pay that for 20 years. now, why is that a better deal? >> well, i think the first thing that we need to point out with the program is interest free. >> yep. >> no longer are folks able to make a profit off of students trying to attend an institution of higher education. on the front end, saving tens of thousands of dollars in the long run. secondly, this is the most important part of the plan. you are not paying it into someone's pockets. paying it back into the program to ensure that the next generation of student vs an opportunity, same accessibility and affordffordability. >> seems like depending on what you make after graduation, the

education costs something different. >> we have students in the state right now with all the motivation, the drive, the determination in the world, they just don't have the financial wherewithal to get over the initial hump r hump. we want to ensure that they have the opportunity to compete for 21st century jobs in the united states. when you break it down, the students pay potentially more, less, but again, the caveat here is that they're paying it back into the program, interest free saving tens of thousands of dollars ensuring to create what we call a cycle of success here in the state of michigan. >> we'll break down what you were talking about there. somebody making $50,000 a year coming out of a 4-year university paying about $40,000 total. once they're paying it back. somebody making $30,000 a year would be paying about $24,000 for that same degree. now, what schools? don't you need your schools there in the state to be on board with this? how does this work? >> well, i tell you, we have had

a tremendous amount of buy-ins, not just from universities, particularly students and individuals in the private sector. we see here a potential economic boon for the state of michigan. and that we can provide highly skilled, highly educated workforce for individuals to move the businesses across the state. again, we have seen detractors to point scenarios that try to take away from the fact we are trying to provide accessible and affordable higher education to individuals here in the state of michigan. >> i think that is great. that is great and people might take you up on the deal and trying to make sure how's it going to work? won't the fund go broke potentially if you don't have enough kids to graduate and making good salaries to pay back in? we know college education is not cheap these days and you're not -- a lot of kids won't end up paying what they would have paid if they just went directly to school instead of the program. how do you keep the fund from going broke? >> well, again, if you look at

the way that you break did program down, paying back a percentage of the salary for a number of years after you graduate. some students simply by virtue of the graduating into higher paying fields pay back more money and some students pay back a little less money and hope they balance each other out and be able to have a program that's not just sustainable but can keep itself afloat. that's why we built into the program a five-year pilot period to make sure that we have a program that is not just sustainable but something that we can keep going here for decades to come in michigan. >> man, we sure hope it works. because -- we'll try anything. college education is expensive these days and probably attractive to folks and wish you luck there. we'll check back in with you. michigan state representative, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> all right. if you have a big idea out there, making a difference, let us know about it. tweet it with #whatsthebigidea

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boldest action since the moral monday protest movement began in georgia. more than 30 people arrested this week for civil disobedience at the state capitol. they're protesting against the state legislature's refusal to expand medicaid as part of the affordable care act. reverend, you were one of those folks arrested. senior pass of ebenezer baptist church in atlanta, georgia, where martin luther king jr. served. what you doing getting arrested down there in atlanta? how does that help your cause? i mean, it gets you attention. we're talking about it, and is that just what you wanted? >> great to be here with you, t.j. listen.

for me to get arrested, really, was a small price to pay. not since 1954 with the brown versus board of education decision have we seen this level of obstruction at the state level after a decision was made at the federal level. in 1954 it was about access to a decent, quality education. 60 years later we're talking about access to decent and affordable health care. in each instance a governor, if you will, is standing in front of the doorway. today saying the congress may have passed a law, the president may have signed it, the supreme court may have upheld it, we may have tried to repeal it some 50 times to no avail, but those were the wrong kinds of children to get into the school and it seems that some are saying in my state and others that some people do not deserve access to affordable health care, even though the federal government is paying it 100%.

>> reverend, have you -- are you hoping to get meetings with some of these state legislators, maybe the governor as well? do you have a dialogue going on back and forth? >> oh, there's dialogue that's been going on for quite some time. we were pushing for the governor to expand medicaid last spring. this past january he was actually at my church during the king celebration. i was the keynote speaker. we were grateful he's decided to build a monument in honor of dr. king. as the pastor of dr. king's church, i submit dr. king would be much more interested in expanding medicaid than building for him a monument. you cannot remember the man who said that inequality and health care is shocking and humane. you cannot remember him and dismember his social vision. so that is the message that we're trying to carry forward. >> reverend, how do we get to or

how do you get, i should say, i guess, to this successful outcome you want? because no action has been taken there in georgia. and there's not going to be any action, at least for 2014 it appears. i don't want to say what you did was a failure, necessarily. you got some attention, but it didn't get them to move. if you can, the last 20 seconds i have here, how do you get them to move? >> well, the truth is the legislature passed these laws, but the governor has 40 days to decide what to do. it's not too late on this, the four-year anniversary of the affordable care act. i submit that tragically the death panels that some were talking about have convened. it was the state legislature in georgia, but the governor can still do the right thing, and i would continue to appeal to him to do so. in the meantime, we'll continue to organize. >> all right, reverend. stay out of jail, all right? i don't know when i'm getting back to atlanta and i can bail you out. >> come on down to see me. >> i need to get back down to

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