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earlier in the show we asked you how roddy white should settle a bet for the twitter bet he lost. duke, mercer. what did we get? >> two good ones. give fan a season ticket while wearing a mercer jersey. >> nice. >> and then karen marshall says, roddy white is a loser in more ways than one. he could afford it and -- >> we will see how roddy settles on this bet. great job, gang, for a job on "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ it is a very important humanitarian exercise. we owe it to the almost 240 people on board the plane and we owe it to the grieving families and we owe it to the government
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of the countries concerned to do everything we can to discover as much as we can about the fight of mh-370. >> good morning. it's monday,th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, joe! and willie! oh, my gosh. let me guess. spring break, right? because when you have kids, you take a week off for spring break. >> willie and are excite about it because our spring break starts tomorrow. but we will miss you guys. >> willie and joe, wonderful. good. did you get some good family time? >> i did. >> good. >> but the break was great. kaboom, boom. >> it's funny the second time. >> funny the third time too. >> mika showed up last week. there is christmas break. for some reason, spring break fell last week around this place. >> it did in my house too.
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>> mika was here and we were all gone except for rattner who has the same theory and i'm jelling at the tv set all week. >> you were? >> i don't think a guy is going to take over a 777 and think i'm flight this eight hours into the night and smoke a cigarette. no, it's somewhere. >> you think it's still on taxi? >> it could be. >> oh, gosh. it's a long show! >> if i may say, we missed you, joe. >> so where is it? where is it? >> the bottom of the indian ocean. >> it flew eight hours and went to the bottom of the indian ocean. >> it ran out of fuel. >> my punch line. i have a whole speech prepared. >> it ran out of fuel? >> it ran out of fuel. >> what happened? >> you want to go to -- >> no! i've read enough of this and seen enough of this and move along, move along.
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a guy is not going to take it -- >> it's great to see you both. i actually was going to say that we really missed you both because it's important that my sweet side comes out too but you have to give it space. we missed you so much. we missed you so much, willie. >> thank you. >> we do have to get to this plane. >> i missed you too. >> we also have former president jimmy carter coming on today, so my kids spring break involves them coming in here at 5:00 in the morning which is going to be fun for them. >> are they going to meet the president? >> absolutely. >> that's so excite. >> yeah. i did a little piece and want to show it to you guys. we have been having a good time honestly the past week covering all of the stories. >> have you talked to your kids about president carter? >> yep, we have been talking about ukraine and the differences in leadership and the old soviet republic and obama's leadership as an international leader and carter in the past and how some unfair parallels i think is unfair to
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both leaders but then again, i have one republican in the house. >> you do not, unless you're talking about my cat. >> your cat, i'm bringing it back tomorrow. i can't take it any more. >> she took care of the colonel. is the colonel still with us? >> it almost died! i'll tell you later. >> see? it almost died. >> all right. >> she's up on the roof. >> we have a lot to get to. it's been 17 days since flight 370 went missing. and now new data has search crews zeroing in. both the crews have spotted choppy seas and a high black box detector. the chinese plane reported seeing two large objects in several small white fragments scattered across several kilometers and follows satellite images over the weekend which gave hope the mist of flight 370 might soon be solved.
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on saturday, the chis released a satellite image of an object 72 feet long and spotted about 960 miles southwest of perth, australia. the image was taken on march 18th, ten days after the pilots of flight 370 last spoke with air traffic controllers. and then on sunday, the french announced they had satellite images that also showed, quote, potential objects related to an ongoing search. -- the ongoing search. the investigators believe someone shut off the plane's communications system but still a mystery why the flight drastically changed course. congressman mike mccall says it's unlikely to be terrorism it can't be completely ruled out because it appears the pilots or someone on the plane took a deliberate action. so let's bring in former ntsb member and former us airways pilot john cox and ceo of safety operation systems and aviation
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consulting firm. so good to have you on the show this morning. >> good morning. let me make one correction. i have never worked for the national transportation safety board. i've worked with them but i have never been an employee of the ntsb. >> thank you. >> listen. >> i'm sorry. >> we always try to puff up our guests. >> we try to it two or three times before we get it right. >> i've seen pilots operate. you should have seen me. i was inverted and going so we are just trying to, you know, get into the spirit of things. so what is your best theory based on all of your knowledge? what happened to this plane? >> well, you know, i've been doing this kind of work for something over 30 years, and it's taught me keep an open mind and quite bitterly literally, everything is still on the table with me. we know someone with knowledge interactive with computer systems on the airplane, one of those as a flight management computer because that is what
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changed the track of the airplane. the other one disabled a data link system known as acars but only the data stopped flowing. the acars system continued to talk to the satellite network. >> right. i've had some pilots say well, you know, a fire could have broken out and that could have disabled the transponders but if a fire broke out, it wouldn't be delivering signals the next eight hours, right? so we can rule out a fire on the plane? >> well, let's not rule anything out. let's do this. let's say that the likelihood of fire is low because when you look at statistically inflight fires in the fleet history it's usually from a major fire to loss of the airplane is about 17 minutes. for this airplane to fly eight hours would make it such an outlier in the statistically probability that it is not very likely. >> it's not likely that it's a fire. let's also talk about how there -- how we had a payne
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stewart type situation where everybody lost oxygen, the pilots didn't have time to put on the mask and it just kept going and they kept flying. this is not a private plane that is 25 years old. this is a boeing 777. what is the likelihood that a boeing 777 made in 2002 is going to have a drastic situation like that, decompression situation like that happen? >> the boeing 777 is one of the safest airline out there. if you look at the cases where there have been decompressions they fly their flight plan track and don't turn and this one turned. that is a piece of evidence that conflicts with the decompression scenario. >> okay. so -- i guess, 1:19, they said good night, 1:19 a.m. a minute later, the transponder is turned off.
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>> wait. the transponder no longer functions. we don't know if it was turned on, if it failed or if it lost electrical power. >> how did both of them lose electrical power and then make the turn? >> see, this is the things that we know are bits and pieces and they don't fit together real well. >> nothing -- i was talking to a pilot who has flown for 30 years, and i asked him, so what happened? and he said, it's the damnedest thing i've seen in my life. usually when there is a crash -- pilots like you that have done this a long time, usually people can fit things together. >> right. >> and none of this makes any sense whatsoever. >> the final word spoken from the cockpit of the missing plane are under increased scrutiny. the co-pilot's phrase "all right, good night." isn't typically of what is used in the paraphrase. >> i went back and look at the
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language by the air traffic control. the commentary between the pilots and the air traffic control. it's not straight to the protocol that should have been used but it doesn't indicate any problem to me on the airplane. it's a relaxed crew. >> thank you so much, john. we greatly appreciate it and hope you come back. >> we have a few updates later in the show and have him back to that. >> we will add to your bio. >> yes, i'm sure we will actually. >> he also was once vice president of the united states and won the masters in 1987 the year after nicklaus won it. bill karins, what are the conditions looking like over the target search area that everybody is focused on today? >> we keep getting satellite images of what we think they are. the airplanes are going out there to get a closer view. the problem is the low ceilings. the cloud deck has been very
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low. they had a hard time yesterday and are again today with the planes flying over these areas to spot these objects. they have radar on these planes and they are searching down over the ocean floor and getting returns that the radar is seeing an object but they can't get a visual on it because the cloud deck has been so low. one other thing they are dealing with is large waves. in the middle of your screen is tropical cyclone gillian and that category 4. the search area is south to this but the loud waves are heading that way so that is not helping things. thankfully the forecast from the national weather service, their version of it in australia, does have the system weakening. right here have it as a category 4 and going down what we would call a tropical storm type three days from now. again, it has improved a little bit, the forecast in this region
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but not helping. the vilvsibility is a big probl there. >> the windchill is minus 87. good thing april is almost here. steve, i'm poking at you here. been joking with you here. rapid fire, i get it, mika. none of the scenarios do make sense. i guess my biggest problem anybody that says something with any certainty doesn't know what they are talking about. if you tell me it can't be this, you know, nobody knows. after 9/11, the only reason i bring up the scenario that it could be somewhere. after 9/11, remember what congress did and the white house did? they brought in people from hollywood and they say, think big. think like tom clancy. this is how we have to start thinking and prepare. and my only point here is there is a slight possibility of terrorism and there is a slight possibility that somebody was smart enough to plan something two years ahead. >> well, they certainly could
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have planned something two years ahead but why they would have taken this plane and dumped it in the indian ocean 1,500 miles off -- >> i don't think it is. i think it could be somewhere and that scenario is likely than any other scenario. i will guarantee you this. there are people in the agency that are worried right now that it's somewhere else. >> i will grant you that until we confirm that there is wreckage in the indian ocean and maybe even then you won't agree but i think -- >> i don't know what that means. that is hateful. i come back here from spring break and you're making fun of me. >> i'm trying to get you off these lunatic theories. >> why is it a lunatic theory? >> that it was flown somewhere else? >> yes. >> because we have radar pings to the satellite suggesting it is there. i'm not telling you it is absolutely there. >> what do the pings suggest? where do the ping suggest it is? >> the ping suggest it's in that search area.
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>> no, it doesn't. >> yes, it does. >> they don't know exactly where it is. all of the ping suggests that it's the 370. they don't know where it is right now. >> i don't know what that means. >> "the new york times" yesterday said that the only thing the ping suggests or tell you is that it was definitely that airplane. >> yes. >> but there's still a very wide range where it can be. >> except that -- except that there's additional -- >> here are the possible positions. >> that's an old and not the right map to be looking at. the ntsb has subsequently put out -- >> no, no, no, no. you're giving false information to our people and that makes us sad. makes all of us sad. >> let me plain this to you. >> no. i want to explain very quickly the pings do not show where the plane is. all of the pings do -- "the new york times" wrote this yesterday -- is they identified the plane. the plane flew eight more hours. >> they tell you how far the
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plane was from the satellite when the ping was set. that's what it does. >> i'm going to get "the times" for you. >> we are going to come back to this because we will come back to this a great deal throughout the show because -- >> willie was an investigator. can we let him have the final word? >> no. i'm going to finish something. actually, we are going to come back to it 20 minutes because it's fascinating and a mystery and important. with respect to your cia contacts i think know exactly what they are talking about -- let me -- -- and i think it's exactly their job to look into those theories and exactly their job. right now, we have to report on what we know. >> exactly. that is my point. that is my point. is everybody stating with certainty what they know? nobody knows. like he said, all options have to be on the table. >> yeah. >> and you have to look at all options. >> yes and no. look. if they find a piece of wreckage in the south indian ocean, they have identified it in addition to what you guys said this morning it's now been sighted
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visually by the chinese. >> that is called evidence. once we have evidence -- >> you said that even after that, you wouldn't be sure where the plane was. >> no, i didn't say that, you said that! you said maybe even after they find the wreckage and a pilot floating in the ocean saying, i dumped it on purpose you still believe -- i won't believe that. willie, last word to you and steve rattner has take than this to such a low level. >> i can't even get my point across. >> someone away for a week watching this from afar and people asking this on the street and not experts how in the world in this day and age after 17 days we have no indication whatsoever given the gps and satellite and radars we have, how do we have no shred of evidence about where this plane is? >> our systems are not set up for somebody to take over a plane and literally disable all of the communication systems except for this one little ping thing going on and fly it on to nowhere without communicating to everybody. that is not what these planes
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are designed to do. remember in the case of the air france flight, it took two years to find that. >> they found bits of it. >> right away they found an oil slick. >> reason number one you just don't have this happen. the airlines haven't felt a need to do this. two, it's not cost prohibitive but doesn't make sense to do it because this happens so rarely. they wanted to track the planes if they wanted to. by the way, they will from now on and pay the extra money from now on but this just never happens. >> can we go to this for a second. that is last week's questions and theories for later in the show and i'll tell you why. everyone stop for a second! >> come on. you just come on. >> stop for a second. >> i have to ask you to spring it down and relax a little bit. >> here is what we have got. it's 17 minutes past the hour. we shouldn't be talking about theories. if you want to go to a network that has theories about pakistan blared across for hours and hours you have many choices out
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there. >> i love pakistan. >> but that is capitalizing on a nonstory for the sake of ratings because people's imaginations are pricked by this. we will do the plane and we will do the facts again. how do we not know -- >> can i get the cape and say come on? >> just stop! we have got to go to ukraine. >> go to ukraine, please. president obama has arrived in the netherlands while the former soviet union is in deepening turmoil. russia has massed a sizeable force of ukraine's border and last minute meeting called for today which the president will attend. over the weekend russian forces overtook one of the last military outpost under ukrainian crime in crimea and concern more of the country could follow. at the same time, "the wall street journal" reports russia may be e vvading u.s. eavesdropping. the general reports u.s.
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attention was trained on troops on russian soil instead of forces inside crimea when the takeover happened. you may remember president obama scored major political points during a presidential debate in 2012 thumping mitt romney's emphasis on russia. the president told russia the 1980s are calling to ask for their foreign policy back. >> romney was right about that, wasn't he? boy. >> my dad also said that. >> mitt romney nailed it in that debate and everybody made fun of him. >> the president's naivety with regard to russia and faulty judgment about russia's intentions and objections have led to a number of foreign policy challenges we face and unfortunately not having anticipated russia's intentions. you're seeing in the ukraine and
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the things you're seeing in vaer. we need to understand that russia has different interests than ours. this is not fantasy land but reality where they are a geo political adversary. they are an adversary on the world stage and certainly not an enemy. >> they are and a lot of questions right now. what happens if putin decides to go to kiev? >> well, it's a possibility. he has amassed something like 20,000 troops. >> what do we do? >> the options then are not military if that is what you're getting it. >> i'm not. >> what you're looking at a second and third triage much more draconian sanctions. >> will the germans join in? >> they will join in a lot more than they would now. i think merkel has made that clear. you probably would see much more preventive actions with the rest of nay own' trumping up of that and maybe see the administration moving faster to change their energy export policy and also you'd see greater --
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>> they would squeeze him economically and they are working more effectively than we thought they might? >> sanctions rarely as quickly as you can move troops. russia has more short-term options and west probably ma or mead and long-term sanctions. >> is there a possibility putin moves to kiev? >> kiev -- baltic stage, no, because of nato. >> where does he go next if he does go somewhere next? >> two possibilities. i think he starts mucking around in crimea and eastern ukraine not as far as kiev. the issue is having 30,000 troops on the border gives him leverage. the biggest question is whether ukraine will plooel come together economically and
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politically. if it doesn't, putin will continue to play a role. >> a lot of criticism of barack obama as a weak leader. what can barack obama or any western leader do right now? >> the principles that he can do is marshal a large aid program for ukraine and, secondly robust sanctions. >> what do you mean by that? >> 15, 20 billion dollars of emergency economic relief but more to come. >> sanctions, he seems to be immune to them. >> not at all. russian markets have lost 20% of his value. >> does he care? >> sure he cares. >> is the history of economic sanctions take a long time. look at cuba and iran and a lot of these places. >> the critical thing with sanctions is the degree of international support you have for them. then the scale of what you're trying bring about. if you have a larger international support and your goals are modest sanctions --
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>> how do you get that support? >> the challenge, of course, of sanctions here is the europeans are so dependent on the russians for their gas and oil. >> the europeans have said if it begins to move in -- you're right. french have been the caboose of the sanctions. >> there have been good articles of devastating not only to germany, also to london, a lot of -- >> what is so interesting about this is this is -- one of the first crises of the modern world and what we are seeing because of the degree of economic integration our ability to inflict pain is greater and our ability to feel pain is greater. the sanctions turn out to be more double-edged. >> steve rattner, is there a great opportunity for us to become more linked with germany when it comes to national gas and other national resources? >> sure, assuming we have a
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rational permitting system so we can export it but we don't noat the moment. >> a lot of people think shouldn't be exporting or energy and keeping it at home. >> who? democrats? >> i would say probably more the democrats, in fairness. >> i actually didn't know the answer to that question but i had a gut. strategically this is a power weapon the united states has, does it not? >> it takes time. >> i understand that but if the russians understand if putin continues to act this way irrationally the united states is stepping in and exporting natural gas and energy to germany that sends a very powerful chilling message to russian business interests, doesn't it? shouldn't these people get out of the way in washington and let
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us at least threaten that? >> there's no question we should allow exports in our crude oil and natural gas and good for your economically and strategically but a lot of politics around that. >> the amazing thing is how quickly this has happened with putin. if you look at today the acting president of ukraine has instructed all troops to come out of crimea and now it belongs to russia. in the space of about a month he has organized a referendum for recession and troops out of there and taking it like that. the question is what does he read into the last month what he can do next? >> look. you spent the first 15 minutes of the show talking about the mystery plane thing. the mystery here is reading into putin's intentions and whether he has crimea policy only as an exception. >> why did he let the osc inspectors monitors into ukraine if he has designs on all of ukraine? >> i think what he is doing is tactically doing all sorts of things and giving a little bit and pushing. i think putin -- it's quite
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possible -- again, putin doesn't have the answer to this question either. that putin is improvising as he goes along and seeing what is the domestic consequences of what he is doing and what kind of push-back he is getting from the united states and europeans. if you're seeing inconsistencies probably because he is figuring this you. >> he is totally figuring it out as he goes along. >> he's in a good mood this morning. you know why? he took kentucky over wichita state and he made some money. >> he's a smart man. >> can you believe that? >> we are doing a piece on putin's ambition and what we think they might be given history of the soviet republic and where he might want to bring his world back to. coming up later on this week, a long piece. we have been working on that. >> this is all -- we went over cfr and saw the speaker over there. i remember, richard, this was three years ago. if you wanted to understand
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russian foreign policy just understand that it is guided by resentment and fueled by resentment. three years later, the world is in crisis still because of the resentment of the former soviet leaders that can't get over the fact they lost the cold war and lost their empire. >> there is that. coming up on "morning joe," david ignatius and president jimmy carter will be on the set. >> i'm excited! a great honor. >> it will be fantastic to see him again. plus lawrence o'donnell will join us. joe, do you need a little something extra to get you going in the morning? >> i sure do. >> you know you do. you know what happens before the show. we all love each other so much. >> we do. >> oh, my gosh. willie, joe and me, we are a team. richard, and steve. there's so much love and work working so hard! a sneak peek at our early morning routines. the morning jolt is straight ahead. ♪ aflac. ♪
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so good to me ♪ >> time to take a look at the morning papers. we start from our parade of papers. "the seattle times." rescue crews are racing against the clock this morning after deadly mud slides in washington state. the death toll is up to eight at this hour. crews say it's growing more unlikely that survivors will be found. more than a dozen people remain missing. the mud slides destroyed dozens of homes and blocked a major highway with 20 feet of mud. this before and after photo gives an idea about the impact the mud slide has had. authorities think heavy rainfall made the ground simply unstable. >> from "the dallas morning news." another recovery operation is under way in texas. crews try to clean up a major oil spill in gal investton.
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17,000 gals of oil leaked after a ship collided with a barge on saturday. the barge was carrying 1 million gallons of fuel. apple is talking with comcast. comcast would help apple ensure content is free of interruption. also the boston herald. survivor of the boston marathon bombing has good news to share almost a year after the attacks. jeff bauman who lost both of his legs is not only engaged but expecting his first child. bauman can be seen being wheeled to safety what became an iconic image after the attacks. the baby is due in july and the couple is planning to marry next year. "the washington post" a bizarre mystery out of the vatican. some say unknown package was sent to the vatican containing
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more than 55,000 dollars worth of liquid cocaine. the box was seized in an eastern city and it was delivered to the vatican as part of a trap but no one claimed the package. >> mike allen is with us from the politico playbook. two strong contenders for the democrats and republicans in 2016 getting a little buzz today. they are going to be under the same roof as it turns out in an education conference. a couple of heavyweights. mike, tell us about it. >> on the same stage. could this be a preview of the year ahead? former florida governor jeb bush organized this conference with florida and north carolina governor jim hunt and they will talk about the globalization of issues in education how to make education more affordable and easier for people to get in. and what people need for job skills. but there's a key noter.
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hillary clinton, jeb bush is going to be talking with some of these other education experts and they just keep running into each other. this is the third time in 11 months that the two of them have been on the same stage. they were there for the opening of 43's presidential library and here on the show we saw back in september in philly when he gave her the liberty medal and where they joked that they loved to listen to the american people, especially the people of iowa and south carolina and he jokingly told her not to wear her medal in des moines. >> this is an area where they have some agreement or open to discussion over education. what is their relationship like? it appears from the outside like they have a pretty good personal relationship. >> no, they do have an easy relationship and smart to find the humor in the two of them, the two dynasties being on the stage together. this really benefits both of them. you're right. it's an issue where they can agree. it's a save bipartisanship issue
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so they are able to talk about something substantive policy to be together and look bipartisan which poll after poll shows the american people want and yet not give anything that would hurt them with their own constituencies. >> as we sit around the end of march what is the feeling about jeb bush? they said no way he would get in because of the bush name but the field has opened up he might try to get back into the game. what are you hearing about jeb bush in 2016? >> he is no question signaling to his donors and his advisers that he want to keep the option over he might do it. talk to the people closest to him feel he won't but the republican field is so unsettled. nate silver's 538 said the most fractured republican fueled in 40 years. so with no front-runner, jeb bush has to be looking in the mirror and saying, why not me? people close to him say he's not getting there. but he's not going to rule it
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out, in part, because it means we will cover events like this education conference in a way we wouldn't otherwise. >> joe, do you think he is taking a serious look at it now? >> yeah. no doubt about it. after being in florida a week and talking to all of my friends in tallahassee and the political players, they are geared up. his foundation is geared up. he has got a lot of people talking. they have got a daily call every day. they are planning this. they will deny it all they want to deny it but the people around him on acting like they are getting ready for a presidential run. no doubt about it and let everybody scream and whine and say it's not true, it's not true. everything i hear out of tallahassee and everybody that is very close to the situation say they are having daily planning calls. these people are moving forward. >> is that a new thing, joe? >> yeah. >> thu what happened to chris christie it's opened up a bit? >> it's all about chris christie. when you ask people why jeb, even though he doesn't seem to
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sort of have it in his gut, why jeb is moving forward like this, they say they think he is the only guy that can save the republican party and the only person that can beat hillary clinton. he doesn't think rand paul can do it or any other players can do it so we will see what happens. nicole wallace says nobody in america knows what it takes to be president more than jeb bush, so he understands what an ugly process it will be getting through the primary. >> hillary clinton. >> along with hillary clinton. right now, i tell you what, everybody in tallahassee and everybody in jeb's foundation and around jeb are gearing up like they are running in 2016. it's now up to jeb to figure out whether that is really what he wants to do. >> a sign hillary is gearing up too. a friend of hers put a quote out there saying she doesn't think hillary is running and that she is worried about her for running and we all know that clinton campaign doesn't allow something like to to come out. >> what is interesting, willie, there is somebody that is
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connected to the bush family that made a statement and got a stinging e-mail the next day saying these are the talking points and this is what you are to say and this person responded by e-mail, i don't work for jeb any more, but thanks any way. they are geared up. they are ready to go. now the question is jeb going to follow along? >> wow. that's fascinating and they will be on the stage as mike allen said later today. mike, thanks for a look at the playbook. appreciate it. >> have a great week. >> march madness is living up to its name this year. once again, what does that mean for undefeated wichita state? could they beat that team of freshmen from kentucky? highlights next. what does it take to get us moving every morning? the morning jolt is coming up. salesperson #1: the real deal's the passat tdi clean diesel
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more on that photograph lat later. time for sports. new york mag john heilemann joins us at the table and we talk about this incredible issue of "new york" magazine. >> we sure are. as good an issue we put out in
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many a year. >> we will talk about it in a minute. down to the sweet 16 in march madness. number one seeds all fared pretty well over the weekend except wichita state undefeated and meeting up with a young and talented team. cleanthony early of wichita state hits a three to put the shockers up five. wildcats drive back. young drives and runner gives kentucky the lead. one last chance for wichita state down two. pretty good look for fred van l vleet. 78-76 and kentucky moves on. >> louisville/kentucky. gets no better than that. calipari and pitino and place will be full of red and blue. unbelievable. north carolina take, six seed taking on three seed iowa
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state. the cyclones de andre caine puts in the basket. gives them the lead. tar heels try to call a time-out but it's too late. take a closer look. the clock operator started the clock late so there should have been no time remaining by the time they got the time-out. >> wow. >> iowa state advances 85-83 is the final right there. they won the big 12 tournament. they are a sneaky team so watch out for them. number two kansas taking on stanford. less than 6:00 to play jayhawks down two. perry ellis throws down the put-back. tie game there. cardinal hits back. the tip-in gives stanford a four-point lead. kansas had a chance to tie it there and three off the mark. another favor goes down. 2 seed kansas is out and stanford wins 60-57. only four points for kansas
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freshman star andrew wiggins. >> can we just talk about stanford as one of the top academic institutions in america? i mean, it is unbelievable that a school that good does that well in so many sports. they are quickly becoming the vanderbilt of the west. >> between basketball, swimming, water polo, golf. >> have you been out there lately? >> yeah. >> it's an attractive place. >> it's a pretty attractive place. >> but you have to be a student also. >> you have to be a great student. >> steve is right. well we have standards that other schools so how can we compete? vanderbilt is doing it in football but stanford is across the board. >> if you're a great student athlete, where would you rather spend four years? no disrespect to vanderbilt or duke but palo alto is a pretty great place to be. >> it is unbelievable. speaking of great schools. what about harvard, once again?
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winning a game. how do they end up? i was traveling yesterday. >> they got knocked out in the second round but it's time to stop making them a 12 seed. they are competitive. if they win the ivy league next year, they have ton an eight or nine and move them up. >> two years in a row and what a story. >> tommy amaker the head coach there. they are as talented and as athletic as the teams they are playing in the tournament. really good. >> unbelievable. starting to remind you of those great princeton teams of the 1980s. >> exactly right. competing on every level. arizona and virginia, by the way, two one seeds moved on last night so they are into the sweet 16 as well. >> what is it looking like right now? who is your favorite? >> i still -- i picked louisville, i think, to beat florida in the championship game and i'll stick by that. they were seeded too low, florida, and they are a really good team. coming up next from sinatra to dillon to the ramones.
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♪ dillon is one of the great artists to grace the cover of "the new york" magazine. 100 songs and nights in a night history of pop music in new york. john heilemann is here to take us through it. this is an absolutely unbelievable issue. we could dodge for three hours but the '40s, sinatra. guthrie. fitzgerald. pete seger.
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burt bacharach and talking about all of the extraordinary songs that came out of the history factory. nothing like it before and nothing like it since. let's go to the 1960s and talk about one of the quintessential new york bands, the velvet underground. >> one of our covers -- we have eight covers of the magazine this week. they are out different subscribers get different covers and some in the newsstands and some in people's homes. lou reed one of the iconic issues we have on the front of the magazine this week. velvet underground a great essay on this issue by richard hell making the development why he came over the years to appreciate them as the greatest rock 'n' roll band ever. beautifully written piece by him and very strong. >> two new york boys and, my god, so iconic. i love them. i love them.
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i love them. paul simon and art garfunkel. >> a fantastic piece. >> what a shot. >> a lot of things through this issue we talk to people and this is one of them where art garfunkel tells the story, of him and paul simon going to the building every day and art only confident in one thing which is he had a voice at 14 years old and going door-to-door and knocking on the doors and singing and playing what they had and being rejected over and over again but keep coming back. at 14 years old. >> the song writing and carole king also. it's just unbelievable. >> stretch it back to lieber and all of the people in the '80s. >> can you talk about, john, what was happening in the village at the time bob dylan when he was coming out? there was an energy and something happening down there at that time. >> the folks he was being born, you know, you get dylan is kind
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of an iconic figure in so many ways and iconic new yorker in so many ways. from the frozen north country of minnesota who comes to new york as much as anything to reinvent himself. the way the issue is about new york is a place where people come to reinvent and create themselves. these people created subcultures and genres of music. it's kind of the dylan is kind of an iconic figure of that time. >> before we move on. but in western popular music history the beatles come to new york city and the biggest events of the beatles career jfk flying into jfk february of '64, playing "ed sullivan" in '64 and concert at shea stadium in '65. they are moments that stand alone in rock history. >> fabulous story there.
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ronnie specter from the ronettes. john lennon calls her we can't get out of the plaza and trapped here. the ronettes get the beatles and take them up to spanish harlem where they are not recognized and they have a decent dinner without being swarmed by the hundreds of girls who are chasing them. >> i can't leave this without talk about the two quintessential 1970s bands. the ramones started it all and then the talking heads who owned new york in the 1980s. >> well, this story here, two of the members of talking heads talking and as told to here about touring with the ramones and coming to new york city and going to see them every night and having first gig opening band for the ramones. john ramone said they can play because they suck. they ended up touring europe for those guys here and the story they tell here. a great slice of life and great
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vinnet from this era. >> john heilemann, thank you so much. coming up, president jimmy carter joins us with his call to action what he says is one of the world's most pressing issues. he joins us live on the set in a bit. then what exactly is the morning jolt? >> oh, my. >> what is going on in this picture? >> that is louis on the left. >> which one is louis? >> i don't know. >> a little sneak peek at the morning jolt. weekdays are for rising to the challenge. they're the days to take care of business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what's next.
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♪ ♪ monday >> top of the hour. look at that beautiful sunrise over new york city. picturesque and more snow is coming. joining us now is the host of msnbc's "the last word" lawrence o'donnell. don't you love winter? >> oh, yeah. >> he also is a pilot. >> stop it! >> if you puff up lawrence's resume, he'll let it you go with it. no corrections. chairman of the transportation committee 1948 can sam rayburn to '57 and those were seen as the golden days. >> i will not correct you. >> from stanford. he lettered three years. >> rose bowl. >> two rose bowls. >> and rose bowl in '67. >> go on, go on! >> he went back. he went back.
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>> from washington, columnist and editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. great to have you back. >> thank you. good to be here. >> rattner is still bus and willie, how are you? doing great. >> joe is here. can you believe it? let's get right to the news. 17 days since missing flight 370 went missing and data has search crews zeroing on in on the indian ocean. both the crews have spotted choppy seas and a high black box detector. they are flying in a black box detector. the chinese plane reported seeing two large objects in several small white fragments scattered across several kilometers and follows satellite images over the weekend which gave hope the mystery of flight 370 might soon be solved. on saturday, the chinese released a satellite image of an
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object about 72 feet long and spotted about 960 miles southwest of perth, australia. the image was taken on march 18th, ten days after the pilots of flight 370 last spoke with air traffic controllers. and then on sunday, the french announced they had satellite images that also showed, quote, potential objects related to an ongoing search. the investigators believe someone on the flight shut off the plane's communications system but still a mystery why the flight drastically changed course. we want to bring back in former us airways pilot john cox. john is also ceo of safety operating systems aviation consulting firm. good to have you back. >> willie won the masters in 1987 and had the green jacket the year after nicklaus. >> mr. cox, it's we willy geist. let me ask you a blunt and basic
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question. are we any closer today than we were two weeks ago to knowing what happened to this plane or even where it is? >> yeah. i think we are closer. i just don't think we are a whole lot closer. we know a little bit. we have some incremental evidence but not nearly the amount of evidence that we would typically have in an accident like this. we are struggling for information but we are a little bit further advanced than we were two weeks ago. >> john, is there a point at which we should start to wonder if we will ever find anything having to do with this plane, any wreckage what soever? it's 17 days now. >> i remain very confident we are going to find it. there is a debris field out there and it is full of things like seat cushions and potentially things out of the overhead, baggage and things like that and those things float. and they float for a very, very long time. so i believe that we will find that floating debris field.
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we will be able to map it. we will be able then to turn to some of the experts and say, okay, what wind, what current, and what waves have interacted on this floating debris and where do we need to go look for the main body of the wreckage on the ocean floor. but i remain confident we are going to find it. >> steve? >> but, of course, even if we do, it will have been a long time. even in the case of the air france flight when they had a debris field right away it took them two years to get back to the wreckage and recover the black box. in this case you have a two-hour flight recorder and you may not find anything on it from those -- from the really key parts of the flight earlier on. >> absolutely. the fact with the digital flight data recorder should be able to tell us a whole lot about what actually occurred on that flight. the cockpit voice recorder will tell us what it tells us. if it's silent it means that
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there was no one speaking during the last two hours of flight, that's what it tells us. if, on the other hand, there were conversations in the flight deck, it will tell us that too. it's going to tell us what it tells us. >> john cox, thank you so much. we will stay on this all morning. we appreciate your insight. moving on to other big news of the day. president obama has arrived in the netherlands this morning while the former soviet union is in deepening turmoil. russia has massed a sizeable force of ukraine's border and last minute meeting called for today which the president will attend. over the weekend russian forces overtook one of the last military outposts still under ukrainian crime in crimea and concern more of the country could follow. at the same time, "the wall street journal" reports russia may be evading u.s. eavesdropping. even as far back as the crimea invasion itself. the general reports u.s. attention was trained on troops on russian soil instead of
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forces already inside crimea when the takeover happened. you may remember president obama scored major political points during a presidential debate in 2012 thumping mitt romney's emphasis on russia. as a growing threat. the president told romney, quote. the 1980s are calling to ask for their foreign policy back. on sunday, romney returned the favor. >> the president's naivety with regard to russia and faulty judgment about russia's intentions and objections have led to a number of foreign policy challenges we face and unfortunately not having anticipated russia's intentions. the president wasn't able to shape the kinds of events that may have been able to prevent the kinds of circumstances that you're seeing in the iran, as well as the things that you're seeing in syria. we need to understand that russia has different interests than ours. this is not fantasy land but reality where they are a geo political adversary.
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they are not our enemy. but they are certainly an adversary on the world stage. richard engel is live in eastern ukraine. give us the latest. i'm sure there is a delay, so bear with us. >> reporter: not a problem. what happened overnight is russian forces in crimea took over yet another ukrainian military base. that makes three military bases in the last 48 hours or so. ukrainian military decided enough is enough. finally ordering its troops in crimea to leave the peninsula. the troops had been hold down on a number of bases and slowly taken away one after another. there is also concern, as you mentioned, in this country about those russian troops that are still inside russia but very close to the ukrainian border and not far from eastern ukraine. there are a lot of troops and they are combat ready. they have tanks and helicopters
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and u.s. officials wonder why they are there and why they have such sophisticated supply lines. but russia doesn't necessarily have to invade this country or invade mainland ukraine to undermine it. there are militias here on the ground loyal to moscow and holding rallies in the government in kiev nearly every day and also, today, the russian state oil and gas provider said it would start raising prices for natural gas sent to ukraine. normally, national gas sold to this country at a discount and russia says they no longer need to provide that discount to ukraine because it owns crimea now and saying it was given the discounted prices as a form of rent for the crimea peninsula and rent it says no longer needs to pay. another lever they are are using here to effectively undermine the government here. >> richard engel, live in
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ukraine, thank you so much. lawrence, talking to richard haass, other foreign policy experts, you were struck by the limited options that this president or any president would have against vladimir putin right now to counteract what he has done in crimea, at least in the short run? >> i guess we didn't have the part of the video where almost president romney said what he would have done. >> i wouldn't want to hear that part. >> to prevent anything that has happened in the last couple of weeks to have happened. >> one of the many invasions? >> but other than sanctions? >> yes, absolutely. when you began, as you should, organizationally with the notion that, okay, we absolutely are not going to war. so now what? it's kind of like if a labor union begins their negotiation with the one thing we are not going to do is have a strike. if you begin there, then your options become much more limited in what you can possibly achieve becomes more limited. >> david ignatius, the old soviet union and dealing with
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the old soviet union you never knew exactly what the old soviet union was going to do but they were actually more conservative with a small c than a man like vladimir putin who didn't have a bureau to worry about. not like the soviet union of the '60s and '70s where internal power struggles. there is vladimir putin. doesn't it make it much harder for the intel community and, in fact, the president of the united states to determine what to do next? >> the hardest thing in intelligence is read intentions and that is especially true when it's the intentions of effectively one person, vladimir putin. he has proved himself more of a risk taker than some in the pentagon and some in the state department expected in his move into crimea. it was very professionally organized and it's striking how little loss of life there's been. this was done really as a covert action, a black operation by their forces, not as a military attack. i just have come back from spending the weekend in europe
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talking to people and i'll tell you, there are a couple of things that hit you when you're there. first, this is a paradigm shift. europeans see that something fundamental has changed. on their side, a couple of things that remain. nato is an important factor for europeans in this crisis. nato's commander judge general breedlove was in russia yesterday warning about the russian forces and what they might do and he was getting strong support from europeans. the second thing europe has is the european union which is, in fact, what ukraine wanted to alie itself with and how this crisis kicked off. ukraine is still going in that direction. medical must not forget putin may have the tip of ukraine and ukraine is moving west and i think of u.s. policy. keep that ukraine moving forward, help it to become a strong country. final thing i'd say is i saw
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more unity among the u.s. and europe in the reporting over this weekend than i've seen in a long time. we were coming out of this period of perpetual sniping about nsa issues and other issues. for now, europe and the u.s. are on the same page and i think we will probably see that clearly with president obama's trip to europe this week. >> david, that's all great news and i think makes us -- at least makes me feel more reassured, but that said, given the way lawrence earlier was describing any country's position in the face of russian aggression, what would we do? what could we do if, for example, they decided to move into the eastern ukraine or some of the other places that we think they may have their eye on as part of what putin sees as his ultimate territorial empire? >> steve, i think what the administration has done is distinguish between the countries with which we have
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nato treaty obligations, the baltic states and poland on russia boards and nato ordered to defend and countries which we don't have similar treaty commitments where we can try to deter the russians but practically speaking, there's little we can do. what you've seen the last few days from general breedlove in brusselss and susan rice, the national security adviser, kind of jaw-boning and warning of russian troop movements and warning of the potential danger that they pose and they are doing this very public warning in part because they have so few real options on the ground. moving the kind of force you need to combat that big russian force quickly, even for nato is a very difficult problem. >> lawrence, the president, the white house put some sanctions on russia. the president criticized from many of the people you expect to criticize him.
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how has he done the last month or so addressing this huge problem of russia? >> i don't see at any point in the evolution of this another move. saying he should have done this today instead of that, you just have to recognize how limited this is and there's a lack of the kinds of principles you'd like to have here, for example. it would be really great to have an internationally recognized principle on how a piece of real estate changes hands from one country to another or from independence to another and we don't. our case in ukraine, we're saying, if you're going to have a vote like that it should be the vote of the entire country on what happens to that piece. that's not what we say to puerto rico. they have votes on having independence remaining in the commonwealth, a commonwealth country or statehood and they have the vote on statehood without having a vote on statehood in all 50 states for
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puerto rico. so we use a different principle when it comes to how we regard puerto rico than the one we are saying must be used now in dealing with what is going on in crimea and ukraine. so there's just -- you just don't have this kind of perfection in the structure of the arguments that you'd like to have. >> our thanks to david ignatius. thank you very much. lawrence, we are going to see you on "the lard word ". >> i am back after a week of anchorman spring break. >> good! i'm so glad. >> i come here to do my first pontificating. a little warm-up. >> get the arm loose? >> yes. >> what is wrong with this picture, willie? okay. up next, this is exciting. the 39th president of the united states jimmy carter is standing by and, later this hour, do you know, lawrence, how we get our morning jolt? we have a very tight family here on "morning joe."
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." knowing president carter is going to be here today brought back so many memories from your childhood, mika. >> i know. >> it's a great honor to have the president here and i wanted -- we tried really hard. he's traveling all the time. tried with his last book to have him here. he came here. when i met him, i didn't talk. >> spero: -- foreign policy and i said why do you keep getting younger? >> you know my father served as your national security adviser so i put a look back what it was like from myer eyes seeing you two work together. take la look. >> reporter: that is me with my big brother mark the future ambassador to sweden and big brother ian, a future republican
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who would work for president bush and my dad and mom at one of many white house events. we didn't always get it at the time but what we had was a front row seat to history and the 39th president of the united states. from a private dinner joining john paul, ii official visit to the u.s. in 1979 and hosting world leaders. wherever jimmy and rosalyn carter went there was amy. and on air force one. if my dad was there, chances are he brought me. >> i had greasier air than amy carter and i'm looking at a picture of me, her, and a security guard on a golf cart at camp david. please proceed and tell us the story. >> the security guard was there by accident. but maybe historically involving devine foresight. you almost killed, i think, the
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prime minister of israel. >> i hit him in the shins. it wasn't that bad. >> you and amy carter so at least it wasn't just the brzezinski clan involved. >> but it looked like you put me up to something. >> the president's daughter was involved. >> reporter: world events were my childhood. i named my pet rabbit after the man who became the first president of iran after the 1979 revolution. bunny sadr. we took family vacations wherever my dad had to work likely rural china and very southern and rural ukraine. we even hosted the leader of china at our farmhouse in mcclain and my mom cooked and handled everything that night but there were many state dinners at the white house too where my mother put aside her art career and gracefully, while not so dutifully, pulled off the role of white house wife. she hated the rules of the washington social bubble but
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thrived at my dad as chief adviser. my dad concedes he didn't follow the rules of the west wing either. let me ask you about the energy crisis where we, i think we had cars lining up at gas stations and i believe the white house had a policy at what level the air-conditioners could be at. would you like to come clean? >> yes, i'll make a public confession. >> please. >> the president said the air-conditioning -- what are those things called? the units that activate them? >> thermostat. >> yes, at 80. in other words, air-conditioning couldn't go on until the temperature of the room crossed 80. so, of course, i respected the president's decision, but i merely placed a lamp on a little table underneath the thermostat, which i turned on because it helped me read my materials sitting near there. and, of course, the lamp create heat. therefore, in my room, the
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thermostat was activated 80. >> so you were surprisingly cool while the white house was a hot box? >> more effective serving the president. >> reporter: in the eyes of a daughter the carter white house culminated in the vision of her father receiving the medal of freedom from the leader of the free world. but to dad, jimmy carter wasn't just the commander in chief. he was his confidant and his jogging partner. i've got pictures of you jogging with the president. >> he wrote on that picture when he gave it to me, as personal friends, i liked the guy and admired him and he was warm and funny. he wrote on this photograph, big. at least once we were in step which is an illusion to the fact that in privacy, i would sometimes take a different position than his and then we would discuss it. >> reporter: in other words, mr. president, he was difficult. >> he was very difficult.
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>> it is such an honor to have you here with us now. >> he said his daughter is also difficult. >> oh, really? you already filled him in? >> she is meaner. let's talk. we have so much to talk about and start, though, with the call to action. this is such an extraordinary book. you and mrs. carter, you guys have visited 145 countries because of the remarkable work that the carter center has done through the years, remarkable work won a nobel prize for your post presidency. talk about what you now call the greatest -- really the greatest moral threat in this world right now? i think you said it's the most serious and unaddressed worldwide challenge that we're facing? >> well, most gross abuse of human rights on earth and it is basically unaddressed because a lot of people don't want to look at it and don't want to commit what is going on with women.
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it's bad enough in the united states where we discriminate against women grossly every day and multiple rapes and sexual abuses on the campuses of our great universities and the military, as you well know. women get about 23% less pay for men for the same job. of the fortune 500 companies, only 25 of them have women as executive officers and they get about 42% less pay than men. and so forth. in the united states, it's very bad. human trafficking or slavery is worse now than it was during the 19th century. the state department has to make an official estimate every year. they claimed that 800,000 slaves are sold across international borders every year. and about a hundred thousand slaves are sold in the united states, about 80% of whom are women. atlanta is the worst place for selling little girls into slavery. about 200 or more every month are sold in atlanta. so these are the kind of things that go on in our country.
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and, you know, with the great respect that we have for our universities and for our military, you can imagine how bad it is, how much worse it is in other countries. >> you talk about across the world. you also -- you tie in religion and how people for centuries, you selected texts just like people in the south did, 50, 60 years ago to justify racial discrimination. now you talk about religious being used to justify rape, slavery, honor killings, and one abuse after another against women. >> well, the fact is i happen to be a christian and jesus christ was a very wonderful leader who never discriminated in any word or action against women. >> and women actually played a very important role in his ministry. >> extremely so. but with the writing of st. paul, you can selectively
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take versus out of the bible and justify women not being able to be priest and so forth, so the catholic church and others quite often say women are not qualified to have an equal role in the service of men. men take this as kind of a proof they can abuse their wives or pay less pay, you know? >> isn't it amazing to you as a sunday school teacher for 70 years, i'm always fascinated and a bit disturbed by people that will focus on something that paul wrote instead of looking at those red letters in the gospels and look at the life of jesus and look at the fact that women played such an important role in his ministry and twist those words. >> well, you know, the first three centuries of the early christian church, women did play an equal role as paul proved in the chapter, i believe. but the men soon decided why don't we take over the church?
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and why don't we control? so they began to apply certain versus in paul's writings and say women can't be leaders in the church. of course, in some of the denominations of our church and some of the christian elements, women are not permitted to play equal roles. of course, in the islamic faith as well. but, you know, i've studied very careful the koran, particularly since our hostages were held and brzezinski was the national security adviser and very few versus in the koran that doesn't say men and women are equal, but in local interpretations, particularly in the remote areas of africa and so forth women are horribly abused. >> president carter, with that in mind as we talk about afghanistan and whether or not we ought to get out of afghanistan, one of the questions that a lot of people ask is what happens to the women there if the united states and the west leave that country, the taliban comes back in, we know what they have done to women again and know what they will do
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again. is the treatment of women in afghanistan, do you think, enough of a justification for the united states and the west to leave at least some force there to protect women? >> you know, one of the things that we have learned at the carter center the last 30 years is outsiders like westerners go into a country and try to get them to change their customs it's counterproductive. the men react otherwise so i don't think anything the united states or europe can do to change the policies in afghanistan. but with a demise of the taliban or them putting down -- to some degree, i think women will play a greater role. one young woman from afghanistan that i refer to in this book that i knew very well who actually did go to college and was a teacher, but she was taken by a very powerful man and made to be his wife and it's a very interesting episode that i put in this book. i knew her personally and she now lives in plains, georgia, with her new husband and her
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son. i think that is something that can't be changed from outside. we have to let them do it. but there is most provision in the koran, for instance, that women should have genitals cut from their little girls but this is something that mothers do because the mothers had their genitals mutilated when they were little girls and they feel like it's a custom to do it but the husbands don't mandate it. >> the book looks to ways to prevent and a call to action to prevent atrocities towards women, if i may. but also there's the important concept that we have been studying over the years and that is if you build up a woman in a third world country, any country, you're building a community. >> that's true. that's the best way to let a family know not to kill their baby girls. you know, one of the most horrible statistics is that although there were 6 million jews killed bill the nationa na
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holocaust 6 million girls missing on earth now who were strangled by their parents at birth because they didn't want a girl, they wanted a boy. now with sonograms they can detect a fetus is female and they abort the girl fetus selective to prevent girls from being born. that is the kind of thing that has to be corrected. but to let the family know that their girls can be a productive element in the parents old age by educating her and giving her a chance to earn a living is the best corrective. president carter, stay with us. we have a lot more we want to talk to you about, including your thoughts on the foreign policy crises around the world right now. the book is "call to action." also an exclusive look how we get our morning jolt. mr. carter, you'll want to see that. we will be right back.
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back with us on set former president jimmy carter who just signed my daughter's bill for her political science cla class. she is going to be late but i think it's okay now because he checked it off.
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mr. president, obviously, the world's eyes are now on vladimir putin and russia and so many people talked about the end of history at the end of cold war. history doesn't end. in fact, it seemed to have just gotten messier. what options does president obama or would any president have with a leader like vladimir putin when he decides to move into crimea? >> i never have felt at all that there was a chance for europe or the united states to deter putin from going into crimea. and so i think that was a foregone conclusion he was going to do it regardless of the consequences. but i think now that's far enough. and i think the united states and europe and our allies ought to take the same stand i took in 1979 when the soviet union went into afghanistan on christmas day and i did a lot of things in. i withdrew our ambassador. i put in a grain embargo. i began to help the freedom fighters push out the soviet
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troops and i warned russia that soviet union then if they went into a different country, we would respond militarily with all of the weapons we had at our disposal. >> so you did keep all options on the table after afghanistan? >> absolutely. and they knew i was talking about even utmost weapons, but that was, i think, the same situation that now exists to deter russia from going further than crimea. i think crimea is special for the russians and i think they need to stop there. >> what are our options now? do you think the president's leadership has been full-throated in terms of addressing this crisis? it seems like the sanctions have no impact on vladimir putin's personality. obviously, it has an impact on the economy but his polls -- his approval ratings and his ego seems to be unfettered by the sanctions.
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>> he gave crimea to ukraine since it was part of the soviet union then. i think the russians have always considered crimea to be still theirs and because it extends into the black sea. they have had massive troops there, about 20,000 or so permitted to be in there by ukraine. to repeat myself, i don't think there was any way to separate crimea permanently from russia but the rest of ukraine is a different proposition so i don't think that president obama or anyone else could have done any more to prevent the crisis in crimea, but we have to draw the line between there and additional expansion of russia into ukraine. >> president carter, you were talking to andrea mitchell yesterday on ""meet the press." i thought it was interesting to hear you say that you don't have much of a relationship with president obama. there is no rule that says a president and a former president have to be buddies or they call each other but previous presidents have. what do you think is at the root of what seems to be a little tension between you and the current president? >> i don't think is there a
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tension but, first of all, about 30 more years since i left the white house. >> sure. >> i think that it was natural for the president to call on the presidents of opposite parties more recently in the white house. that is one thing. but i have been a champion of equal treatment between israelis and palestinians and equal treatment for israeli and egypt when i was in office and carter center is active this that region. i think sometimes a incumbent president doesn't want to become very friendly with me because it might look friendlier towards the palestinians instead of the israelis so we try to be balanced but that is the only issue i can think of that separates me from obama in any way. i was very proud of him when he made his speech in cairo and said no more settlements and he said that the 67 borders would prevail except for minor modifications and those things are very compatible with what i believe. >> it's remarkable what the
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carter center has done through the years, what are you involved in right now? what slt ne what is the next big project for the carter center that you're most hopeful that will have an impact on the world? >> i'm not distorting my answer just because of the book, but with the abuse of women and girls, i hope that the carter center will become the center of addressing this problem and in the end of the book, i got 23 recommendations, very specifically, that we can do to stop this gross human rights persecution of women and girls. so that will be one of the major issues. the carter center addresses about 75% of our budget, neglected tropical diseases in the third world and particularly in africa. these are unknown diseases now in america. and so this is what we do. this past year, we treated 36 million people for what the
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world health organization calls neglected tropical diseases and this year we go over 70 million people and that is seven times that live in georgia as a matter of fact. we go into little villages in the jungle and desert and help them correct their own health problems. >> the work there is absolutely unbelievable. thank you so much for being here. this is such an important book. i hope so many leaders in washington that watch this show, i certainly hope they all read this and act on it. >> can we invite ourselves to the carter center? >> i'd love you to come to the carter center and talk to us more. >> i think you have a birthday too. we could come down to celebrate. it's a big one, isn't it? >> as a matter of fact, your father would remember that the people's republic of china was born on my 25th birthday. >> i love it! >> october 1st, 1979.
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♪ good morning. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. as you take a live look at new york city. look who's with us! >> oh, my god, i can't believe you're here. >> steve ratner. >> i see willie. >> i know you do.
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and richard haas. >> it's been 17 days since flight 370 went missing and now new data has search crews zeroing in on a remote area of the indian ocean. the chinese military and australian crew have spotted objects floating in the choppy seas and the u.s. navy is flying in a high-tech black box detector. running out of time, of course. the chinese plane reported seeing two large objects and several white fragments scattered across several kilometers. it follows satellite images over the weekend, which gave hope that the mystery might soon be solved. on saturday, the chinese released a satellite image of an object about 72 feet long. it was spotted about 960 miles southwest of perth, australia. the image was taken on march 18th, ten days after the pilots of flight 370 last spoke with air traffic controllers. and then on sunday, the french announced they also had satellite images that also showed "potential objects related to the ongoing search."
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the investigators still believe someone in the flight shut off the plane's communication systems, but it's still a mystery why the flight drastically changed course. congressman mike mccaul says while it's unlikely to be terrorism, it can't completely be ruled out because it appears the pilots or someone on the plane took a deliberate action. so let's bring in former ntsb member and former u.s. airways pilot john cox. john is also ceo of safety operating systems and aviation consulting firm. so good to have you on the show this morning. >> good morning. let me make one correction. i have never worked for the national transportation and safety board. i have never been an employee of the ntsb. >> thank you. >> listen, we always try to puff up our guests and we give them more cred. >> we try to do it two or three times before we get it right. >> i've seen pilots operate. you should have seen me. we're just trying to, you know,
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get into the spirit of things. so what's your best theory based on all of your knowledge? what happened to this plane? >> well, you know, i've been doing this kind of work for something over 30 years, and it's taught me keep an open mind. and quite literally, everything is still on the table to me. we know that we don't know a whole lot. we know that someone with knowledge interactive with the computer systems on the airplane. one of those is a flight management computer because that's what changed the track of the airplane. and the other one disabled a data link system known as acars, but only the data stopped flowing. the acars system continued to talk to the satellite network. >> right. so i've had some pilots say well, you know, a fire could have broken out. and that could have disabled the transponders. but if a fire broke out, it wouldn't have been delivering signals for the next eight hours, right? so we can rule out a fire on the
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plane. >> well, let's not rule anything out. let's do this. let's say that the likelihood of fire is low because when you look at statistically in-flight fires in the fleet history, it's usually from a major fire to loss of the airplane is about 17 minutes. for this airplane to fly eight hours would make it such an outlier in the statistical probability that it is not very likely. >> it's not likely that it's a fire. let's also talk about how we had a payne stewart type situation, where everybody lost oxygen, the pilots didn't have -- >> just kept going. >> and it just kept going and they kept flying. this is not a private plane that's 25 years old. this is a boeing 777. what is the likelihood that a boeing 777 made in 2002 is going to have a drastic situation like
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that, decompression situation like that happened? >> the boeing 777 is one of the safest airliners out there. the likelihood of a decompression is very le. and if you look at the cases where there have been decompressions, they fly their flight plan track. they don't turn. and this one turns. so that is a piece of evidence that conflicts with the decompression scenario. >> okay. so -- and i guess at 1:19 they said good night. 1:19 a.m. a minute later, the transponders turned off. >> wait, the transponder no longer functions. we don't know if it was turned off, if it failed, or if it lost electrical power. >> how do both of them lose electrical power and then they make the turn. >> and see, this is the things that we know are bits and pieces and they don't fit together real well. >> nothing -- i was talking to a pilot who's flown for 30 years, and i asked him, so what happened? and he said, it's the damnedest
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thing i've ever seen in my life. usually when there's a crash, i can always -- pilots like you that have done this for a long time, usually people can fit things together. >> right. >> and none of this makes any sense whatsoever. >> the final word spoken from the cockpit of the missing plane are under increased scrutiny. the co-pilot's phrase "all right, good night" isn't the typical language used by the airline industry. does that tell you anything, john? >> no. i went back and read -- i think it was one of the london papers that published all of the air traffic control, and the commentary between the pilots and air traffic control. it's very routine. it's relaxed. and it's not straight to the protocols, the exact phraseology that should have been used, but it doesn't indicate any problem to me on the airplane. it's a relaxed crew. >> all right. thank you so much, john. we greatly appreciate it. we hope you'll come back. >> we have a few other updates
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later in the show, we'll have him back for that. >> and john, we're going to add to your bio. he was also once vice president of the united states. >> yes. >> and won the masters in 1987, the year after nicklaus won it. let's go to bill karins. >> we keep getting these satellite images of where we think these objects are. the next step after that is to get the airplanes out there to look over these areas to get a closer view. the problem has been the low ceilings. the cloud deck has been very low. they had a really hard time yesterday and they are again today with the planes flying over these areas, trying to spot these objects. they actually have radar on these planes and they're searching down over the ocean floor and they're getting returns that the radar is seeing an object. but they just can't get a visual on it because the cloud deck has been so low. one other thing they're dealing with is large waves. right in the middle of your screen is tropical cyclone gillian. that's a category four cyclone,
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the equivalent of our category fours here. the search area is to the south of this, but some of the large waves are heading that way. so that's not helping things. thankfully, the forecast from the national weather service, their version of it in australia does have the system weakening. right here they have it as a category 4. they have it going down to what we'd call like a tropical storm type in about three days from now, guys. so again, it has improved a little bit, the forecast in this region, but it's just not helping. the visibility has been a big problem over in these areas where they keep finding these objects. >> all right, thanks so much, bill. we're also looking at the windchill up and down the east coast. it's going to be, like, minus 87. good thing april is almost here. so steve, i'm poking at you here. been joking with you here. >> rapid fire. >> rapid fire. i get it, mika. but none of the scenarios do make sense. my biggest problem is anybody that says something with any certainty doesn't know what they're talking about. so if you tell me it can't be
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this, nobody knows. and after 9/11, the only reason i bring up the sfar that it could be somewhere, after 9/11, remember what congress did and the white house did?cenario tha could be somewhere, after 9/11, remember what congress did and the white house did? they brought in people from hollywood and they said think big. think like tom clancy. this is how we have to start thinking and prepare. my only point here is there is a slight possibility of terrorism. and there is a slight possibility that somebody was smart enough to plan something two years ahead. >> well, they certainly could have planned something two years ahead. but why they would have taken this plane and dumped it in the indian ocean 1,500 miles off the coast of australia. >> i don't think they did. and that's my point. >> you think the plane's somewhere else? >> i think it could be somewhere else. i think that scenario is as likely as any other scenario. i will guarantee you this, there are people in the agency that are worried right now that it's somewhere else. >> i will grant you that until we confirm that there's wreckage in the south indian ocean, maybe
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even then you won't agree -- >> i don't even know what that means. that's hateful. i come back here from spring break and you're making fun of me. >> i can tell you what it means. >> i'm trying to -- >> even then we see wreckage and i still may not agree. >> i'm trying to get you off these lunatic theories. >> why is it a lunatic theory? >> that it was flown somewhere else? because we have radar returns, pings to the satellite suggesting that it is there. >> i'm sorry, what do the pings suggest? where do the pings suggest it is? >> the pings suggest it is in that search area. >> no, it doesn't. >> yes, it does. >> they don't know exactly where it is. all the pings suggest is that it's the 370. they don't know where it is right now. >> i don't even know what that means. >> "the new york times" yesterday said that the only thing the pings tell you is that it was definitely that airplane. but there's still a very wide range where it can be. >> we've got to go to ukraine.
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president obama has arrived in the netherlands this morning while the former soviet union is in deepening turmoil. russia has massed a sizable force of ukraine's border and the g7 has called a last-minute meeting for today, which the president will attend. over the weird, russian forces overtook one of the last military outposts still under ukrainian command in crimea, and there's concern more of the country could follow. at the same time, "the wall street journal" reports russia may be evading u.s. eavesdropping, even as far back as the crimea invasion itself. the journal reports u.s. attention was trained on troops, on russian soil instead of forces already inside crimea when the takeover happened. and you may remember president obama scored major political points during a presidential debate in 2012, thumping mitt romney's emphasis on russia. the president told romney, "the 1980s are calling to ask for their foreign policy back." >> mitt romney was right about
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that, wasn't he? >> my dad also has said that. >> the guy nailed it. mitt romney nailed it in that debate. and everybody made fun of him. >> romney returned the favor as well. here we go. >> the president's naivety with regard to russia has led to a number of foreign policy challenges that we face. and unfortunately, not having anticipated russia's intentions, the president wasn't able to shape the kinds of events that may have been able to prevent the kinds of circumstances that you're seeing in the ukraine as well as the things that you're seeing in syria. we really need to understand that russia has very different interests than ours. this is not fantasy land. this is reality, where they are a geopolitical adversary. they're not our enemy. but they are certainly an adversary on the world stage. >> they certainly are, and right now we're trying to figure out the next step. a lot of questions right now. what happens if putin decides to go to kiev?
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>> it's a possibility he's massed something like 20,000 troops. >> what do we do? >> the options then are not military, if that's what you're getting at. >> i'm not. >> what you're largely looking at is much more draconian sanctions. >> will the germans join in? >> they'll join in a lot more than they would now. i think merkel has made that clear. you probably see much more preventive interactions with the rest of nato, a real jumping up of that. you probably see maybe the administration moving faster to change their energy export policy. and also you'd see -- >> they would squeeze him economically and there is evidence that these sanctions are actually working more effectively than we thought they might. >> sanctions rarely work as quickly as you can move troops. the timelines, if you will, are not in sync, so russia has more short-term options. the west probably has more medium and long-term options. >> so what are the impacts right now of the sanctions?
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what are you hearing about putin? does he feel emboldened? is there a possibility that he moves on to kiev? is there a possibility that he looks at other baltic states? >> baltic states, no, because of nato. >> where does he go next if he goes somewhere next? >> two possibilities, i think. one is he starts mucking around a little bit like he did in crimea and parts of eastern ukraine not as far as kiev. the other is just by having 20,000 troops on the border, it gives him leverage. i think the biggest question is whether ukraine is politically going to come together economically and politically. if it doesn't, then putin's going to have tremendous opportunity to continue to have to play a role. >> there's a lot of criticism of barack obama as a weak leader. what can barack obama or any western leader do right now? >> i think the criticisms are overdone in terms of what he's done since this crisis began. the principal thing he can do is marshal a large aid program for
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ukraine. >> what do you mean a large aid program? >> 15, $20 billion of emergency economic relief with the promise then of more to come. >> sanctions don't seem -- he seems to be immune to them. >> no, not at all. russian markets have lost something like 20% of its value. >> but does he care? >> sure, he cares. >> isn't the history of economic sanctions -- they take a very long time. look at cuba, look at iran, a lot of these places. >> it turns out to be the critical thing with sanctions is the degree of international support you have for them. and the scale of what you're trying to bring about. if you have a large amount of international support and your goals are somewhat modest, sanctions can work. >> the challenge, of course, of sanctions here is the europeans are so dependent on the russians for their gas. >> but the europeans have said if he begins to move in eastern ukraine, they will agree to more sanctions. merkel is critical here. the french have been the caboose, if you will, of the sanctions. >> there have been some really
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good articles suggesting it's devastating in the only to germany, to london. >> a lot of their assets have been invested in british financial institutions. what's so interesting about this is this is in some ways one of the first crises of the modern world. what we're seeing is because of the degree of economic integration, our ability to inflict pain is greater, but our ability to feel pain in turn is greater. the sanctions instrument turns out to be more double-edged. >> so a great opportunity for america, and we've got an energy revolution. is there a great opportunity for us to become more linked with germany when it comes to natural gas and other natural resources? >> sure, assuming we have a rational permitting system so we can actually export it, which we don't at the moment. >> why don't we have a rational permitting system that allows us to export it? >> because it's a highly politicized issue and there are a lot of people in america who think we shouldn't be exporting our energy. >> like who? no, i'm asking. democrats or republicans? >> i would say probably more the
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democrats, in fairness. >> i actually didn't know the answer to that question, but i had a gut. strategically, though, this is a very powerful weapon the united states has, is it not? >> only over medium to long term. it takes time. >> right. i understand that. but if the russians understand that if putin continues to act, that the united states is going to step in and take their place in exporting natural gas and energy to germany. that sends a very powerful chilling message to russian business interests, doesn't it? so shouldn't these people get out of the way in washington and let us at least threaten that? >> there's no question we should allow exports of both our crude oil and natural gas. it would be good for us economically and strategically, but there's a lot of politics around that. coming up on "morning joe," the search is still on. 17 days after flight 370 first vanished, objects are turning up in the search zone, but we still don't know if it's the missing
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rescue crews are racing against the clock this morning after deadly mudslides in washington state. the death toll is up to eight at this hour. crews say it's growing more unlikely that survivors would be found. more than a dozen people remain missing from mudslides, destroyed dozens of homes and blocked a major highway with 20 feet of mud. and this before-and-after photo gives an idea about the impact the mud slide has had. authorities think heavy, heavy rainfall made the ground simply unstable. and from "the dallas morning news," another recovery operation is under way in texas. as crews try to clean up a major oil spill in galveston bay. the incident shut down the busy houston shipping channel and left dozens of boats with nowhere to go. nearly 170,000 gallons of oil leaked after a cargo ship collided with a barge on saturday. the barge was carrying about one million gallons of fuel. "the wall street journal,"
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apple is in talks with comcast to team up for streaming tv service using an apple set top box. under the agreement, comcast would help apple ensure content would be free of interruptions or buffering. a deal would mark a new level of integration between the tech company and a cable provider. also, the "boston herald." the survivor of the boston marathon bombing has a lot of good news this year. almost a year after the attacks. jeff bowman, who lost both of his legs, is not only engaged, but expecting his first child. bowman can be seen being wheeled to safety in what became an iconic image after the attacks. the baby is due in july and the couple is planning to marry next year. "the washington post." there's a bizarre mystery out of the vatican. reports say someone sent a package from an unknown south american country to the vatican containing more than $55,000 worth of liquid cocaine. the becomes was seized in the airpo
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airport, it was delivered to the vatican as part of a trap, but no one claimed the package. >> willie geist. >> now the chief correspondent for politico mr. mike allen. he's got a look at the playbook. two strong contenders for the democrats, republicans in 2016 getting a little buzz today. they are going to be under the same roof as it turns out at an education conference. couple of heavyweights, mike. tell us about it. >> yeah, willie, on the same stage. could this be a preview of the year ahead? jeb bush organized this conference with the florida and north carolina governor jim hunt. they'll be talking about the globalization issues, how to make education more affordable, how to make it easier for people to get in. and what people need for job skills. but as a keynoter, they have hillary clinton. jeb bush is going to be talking with some of these other education experts. and they just keep running into each other. this is the third time in 11 months that the two of them have
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been on this same stage. they were there for the opening of 43s's presidential library. and then we saw here on the show back in september in philly when he gave her the liberty medal, and that was where they joked that they love to listen to the american people, especially the people of iowa and south carolina, and he jokingly told her not to wear her medal in des moines. >> this is obviously an area where they have some agreement, or they are open to discussion, which is education. what's their relationship like? we're talking about jeb bush and hillary clinton. it appears from the outside like they have a pretty good personal relationship. >> they do have an easy relationship, and they're smart to find the humor in the two of them, the two dynasties, being on the stage together. and this really benefits both of them. you're right, it's an issue where they can agree. it's a safe bipartisan issue. so they're able to talk about something substantive, policy, to be together, to look bipartisan, which poll after poll shows the american people want. and yet, not give anything that
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would hurt them with their own constituencies. >> what's the feeling, quickly, mike, as we sit here at the end of march, about jeb bush? for a long time, there was a feeling there was no way he would get in because of the bush family name. then maybe because the feel has opened up a bit, he might try to get back into the game. what are you feeling about jeb bush and 2016? >> he is no question signaling to his donors and advisers that he wants to keep the option open. that he might do it. you talk to the people closest to him, they think he won't. but this republican field is so unsettled. nate silver's 538 site said it was the most fractured republican field in 40 years. so with no frontrunner, jeb bush has to be looking in the mirror and saying why not me? people close to him say he's not getting there. but he's not going to rule it out, in part because it means that we'll cover events like this education conference in a way that we wouldn't otherwise. >> politico's mike allen. thanks a lot, mike. coming up next, after days
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17 days now into the search for flight 370. new data has search crews zeroing in on a remote area of the southern indian ocean. tom costello covers aviation for nbc news and he joins us this morning. so tom, what's the latest that we're hearing that chinese officials have reported about the potential objects today got on sat imagery? >> the chinese are reporting their aircraft, actually, this morning spotted two large objects. the trouble is that they were outside of the search zone. an american p.a. aircraft went in to investigate. couldn't find anything. now a chinese ice breaker is moving in this direction. and then the australians came in and they said that they had spotted by air two pieces of debris floating in the search zone. one is gray, or green. the other one is orange. and so the question is, might that be something? the australian naval ship success is en route to check it out. there is no guarantee that any of the material, any of the debris that they have spotted so far has anything to do with
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flight 370. this morning, another day of searching is coming to an end, and late news that australian air crews may have spotted something in the waters more than a thousand miles off the coast of perth. the malaysian transport minister just a short time ago. >> a few minutes ago, the prime minister received a call from the prime minister of australia, who informed him that an australian search aircraft had located two objects in the australian search area. one circular and one rectangular. >> an australian naval vessel is now on the way to investigate. >> we're actively looking for merchant vessels that are in the area. >> while commanders have shrunk the priority search zone from 0 1 102,000 square miles, that's roughly the size of west virginia. crews are looking for something about as long as a tennis court and in one of the roughest oceans in the world with a
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cyclone bearing down. a former coast guard admiral calls this one of the most complex searches in naval history. >> complexity in terms of the size of the search area. complexity in terms of the ambiguity in terms of what happened. and complexity associated with the number of countries and private sector firms that are involved. >> on sunday, malaysian authorities contradicted information provided by u.s. authorities last week, who said the plane's u-turn had been preprogrammed into the flight computer, suggesting the diversion was premeditated. malaysian authorities now say the last burst of acars flight data at 1:07 a.m. showed a normal flight path all way to beijing with no u-turn preprogrammed. to some, that could reopen theories that the plane suffered a catastrophic mechanical failure rather than something criminal. meanwhile, the international search armada continues to grow in the south indian ocean. >> the search will continue. it will continue as long as there's hope. and i hope that we'll find the time soon, and when we're able to conclusively say once and for
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all that we are close to finding where this plane may now be located. >> so much emphasis has been placed on these satellite images. this is the one from the chinese. it's said to be 72 feet long. and the trouble is there's no guarantee that any of that is actually from the plane. interestingly, you know, every year, we lose dozens of cargo ships. they sink. every year, at least a thousand cargo containers go overboard. so the waters, especially in the indian ocean, are filled with trash. thomas? >> i'm going to ask you to stay with me, because joining us now in the conversation, director of special projects at the wood's hole oceanography institution, dave gallo. it's good to have you here. as you hear from tom's reporting about the indian ocean and the am of potential junk that could be in the waters there while these search teams are looking for any sign of a water event.
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what does it say to you about the data that is coming in, the date of the data that is coming in that has put those search crews in that area and the am of the changes of the waters and the sea patterns that could make this impossible to find. >> sure. any evidence has got to be followed up on because we've got nothing to cling to right now. there's not a shred of evidence that that plane has come down any place, so we need to have a look. that being said, the oceans are chock full of human debris, stuff that's fallen off ships, that's washed off our shores. and as tom mentioned, in the last 20 years, 200 ships have gone to the bottom and every single year, thousands of shipping containers fall overboard, and the farther we get away from the actual tragedy, the more difficult it's going to be to find out where that stuff came from. so if it is part of the plane, we've got to backtrack using very sophisticated models to try
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to get that x marks the spot. >> is it surprising that there are certain crews like the chinese officials saying their crew spotted something. there are also sat images that have come out that can't be properly coordinated to figure out exactly are they seeing the same materials. is that surprising to you? >> it seems like it should be, given the remarkable world of gp gps that we live in, but it dupt surprise me one bit, because once you're there on the sea surface, it becomes an awfully large ocean and you become an awfully small speck.sea surface awfully large ocean and you become an awfully small speck. so i'm not surprised by that at all. you see how difficult it is to pinpoint debris on the surface of the ocean. imagine what it's like when it's three miles down in the pitch black of the deep sea. >> and pinpointing that, let me ask you really quickly about this, because there are obviously certain parts on the plane that are meant to have air pockets in them so they will
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float. also, under seat devices that would then float. has anybody talked about the fact that there hasn't been any type of oil slick found for a water event? and that that would be a key determiner. >> if the plane ran into its fuel was exhausted, you would have no jet fuel, so you might have some oil. but you're not going to have a lot of fuel left over. i think what's really interesting, when you compare this crash to air france, these are two different aircraft and it's important to understand how they're different. the air bus is made of composite material, honeycombed material, right? it's going to float. a boeing aircraft is more aluminum. it's more likely to sink, especially if you get water coming in to the fuel tanks and the wings. so really, how these two aircraft behave in the ocean may be very different. >> okay, gentlemen, thanks very much. great to have you on for us. still ahead, more of our conversation with president jimmy carter. and we also encourage you to head over to morningjolt.msnbc.com for a look at our original digital. gunderman group.
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from going into crimea. and so i think that was a foregone conclusion he was going to do it regardless of the consequences. but i think now, that's far enough. and i think the united states and europe and our allies ought to take the same stand that i took back in 1979 when the soviet union went into afghanistan on christmas day, and i did a lot of things then. i withdrew our ambassador. i put in a grain embargo. i began to help the freedom fighters push out the soviet troops, and i warned russia, the soviet union then, that if they went into a different country, we would respond millitarily. >> so you did keep all options on the table after afghanistan. >> absolutely. and they knew i was talking even about our utmost weapons. but that was i think the same situation that nags this to deter russia from going further
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than crimea. i think crimea is special for the russians, and i think they need to stop there. >> what are our options now? do you think the president's leadership has been full-throated in terms of addressing this crisis? because it almost seems like the sanctions have no impact on vladimir putin's personality. obviously it has an impact on the economy, but his approval ratings and his ego seems to be unfettered by the sanctions. >> you know, when khrushchev was in office, he kind of gave crimea to ukraine, since ukraine was part of russia then. and i think that the russians have always considered crimea to be still theirs. because they'll say they've had massive troops there, about 20,000 or so permitted to be in there by ukraine. to repeat myself, i don't think there was any way to separate crimea permanently from russia. but the rest of ukraine is a different proposition. so i don't think that president
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obama or anyone else could have done any more to prevent the crisis in crimea, but we have to draw the line between there and additional expansion of russia into ukraine. >> president carter, you were talking to andrea mitchell yesterday on "meet the press," and i thought it was interesting to hear you say that you don't have much of a relationship with president obama. there's no rule that says a president and a former president have to be buddies or that they call each other, but previous presidents have. what do you think is at the root of what seems to be a little tension between you and the current president? >> i don't think there's any tension, but first of all, there's about 30 more years since i left the white house compared -- >> sure. >> so i think it's natural for a president to call on the presidents of opposite parties that were more recently in the white house. that's one thing. but i have been a champion of equal treatment between israelis and palestinians, and equal treatment between israel and egypt when i was in office, and
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very active in that region. and sometimes the incoming president doesn't want to be very friendly with me because it may look like he's more friendly with the palestinians than the israelis. i was very proud of obama when he made his speech in cairo and said no more settlements. when he said the 67 borders would prevail, except for minor modifications. those things were very compatible with what i believe. >> it's remarkable what the carter center has done through the years. what are you involved in right now? what's the next big project for the carter center as you look forward and that you're most hopeful for that's going to have an impact on the world? >> well, i'm not distorting my answer just because of the book, but with the abuse of women and girls, i hope that the carter center will become the center of addressing this problem, and in the end of the book, i've got 23 recommendations very
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specifically that we can do to stop this gross human rights persecution of women and girls. so that would be one of the major issues. the carter center addresses about 75% of our budget, neglected tropical diseases in the third world, particularly in africa. these are unknown diseases now in america. and so this is what we do. this past year, we treated 36 million people for what the world health organization calls neglected tropical diseases. and this year, we'll go over 70 million people. that's about seven times as many live in georgia, as a matter of fact. a lot of people. but we go into little villages in the jingungle and in the des, and help them correct their own health problems. >> and our thanks to president jimmy carter. coming up, wonder how we get going every morning?
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welcome back to "morning joe". it's time to talk about what we learned. lewis, great job. >> nicely done, lewis. >> it took longer than "gone with the wind" to get that whole thing done, but you did a great job. >> you should tweet us with your best morning jolt pictures. >> i like it. >> what did you learn? >> i learned that you were great managing and directing this promo and acting in it.
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you wrote the music. >> yeah. >> how amazing is that? >> is that right? >> writer/producer. i learned jimmy carter, extraordinary energy. still doing great things for this world. and his new book is just so critical and it's one of the great challenges of our time. thomas. >> i agree. and 90 is the new 70. >> he's turning 90. my dad's turning 87. >> i had fears the whole thing was going to turn into "days of heaven" and not "gone with the wind." there's an award for digital shorts. >> willie? >> i learned i need to get in earlier. i didn't know we had jugglers and shirtless acrobats and llamas. it's a good time about 3:00 a.m. in here. >> the llama is the best part. >> if it's way too early, what time is it? >> "morning joe." >> but now it's time for luke, actually. luke. >> luke russert. >> on "the daily rundown."
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>> tomorrow, "new york magazine," willie's going to cover the '80s and the '90s of the greatest new york magazine. >> did you do that on your own? >> we're coming back. nuclear freeze, as president obama sits down for a nuclear summit in europe. retro cold war tension with russia over ukraine casts a giant shadow. we'll talk to senator mark warner about what's at stake. also this morning, the latest on those deadly mudslides in washington state. a chicago commuter train jumps the tracks and sends dozens to the hospital to start this monday. plus, a political education that we will learn today from hillary clinton. highlighting jeb bush's school summit, and why does a common core clash worry both parties? good morning from washington. it's monday, march 24th, 2014. this is "the daily