it is, therefore, with deep sadness and regret that i must inform you that according to this new data, flight mh370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> that was malaysia's prime minister, najib razak delivering that heart breaking news, getting new data surveillance. his announcement comes as several ships are now heading to an area where australian search crews spotted two objects that could potentially be debris from the missing plane. you can see where they are using flares to mark the spots there in the water. one is described as an orange, rectangular object, the other a

grayer/green circular object. it's the best lead they've had. nbc's tom costello, who's been following this story for us since the beginning, joins us now with more on the search. and tom, did it come down to that satellite analysis? >> yeah, mrsat, which was receiving those pings, you recall, off the acars system to a satellite 22,000 miles or so up in orbit, tried to refine that data even more. they had already suggested somehow this plane may have taken a southerly arc, you may recall, so they were trying to get a fix on these pings they were getting once an hour coming from the satellite and figure out, okay, where would this plane be, so now they believe that that last ping would put it somewhere in this juncture. so what does that mean? it means this plane probably came down like this. pay no attention necessarily to this original arc. what really matters is what is the location of the last ping and all suggests that it's

probably in the deep south indian ocean. the distance from perth, australia, we've talked about this before, pardon my back as i try to move from one screen to another here, we talked about the distance here, 1,500 miles off australia, four-hour flight. if you wanted to put this aircraft in the deepest, most remote portion of the indian ocean, that is where you would choose. it is very isolated, it's very difficult in terms of the kind of ocean currents underway there in the indian ocean and close to the southern ocean, as well. so you talked about the chinese spotting debris and the australians. chinese spotted debris just outside that zone, australians inside that zone. we don't know exactly what that debris is, and we don't know if maybe the authorities already have better photographic evidence of what it is and contributing to the belief this plane did go down in the south

indian ocean. naval units are moving into the area to get a better hands-on or eyes-on perspective to see what it is. the trouble is, when you're talking about everything that could be part of a 777 aircraft, you're talking about the luggage, aren't you, the wings, you're talking about the tail potentially, you're talking about the seat cushions, there are a lot of things in a plane that potentially could float, and ultimately what you're looking for, as we've said, is the black box. it is really orange, as we've said before, under federal mandate, because they want to be able to spot this in the wreckage of a plane and they are listening for the pingers that will go off. they believe at best case scenario, another three weeks or so or ten days or so, depends how good the battery is on the pingers and depends how cold the water is, also depends on how good the sonar capabilities are of the ships that are going to be moving into that region, hoping to pick up the sound of that pinger.

the trouble is, you may only hear it if you're literally on top of it. it's not something that resinates across the entire ocean and it depends on the thermal layers, how cold it is in the ocean, what temperature layers you have in the ocean, that can all inhibit the area of sonar, the hydrophones being dragged by ships, to pick up the sonar ping. in this area, the depth is another huge factor. we're talking about two to three miles deep. interestingly, though, while there's a mountain range in this area underneath the water, the conditions in the atlantic ocean where air france 447 went down, that was described like the rocky mountains, this is more like the appalachian mountains, more of a rolling hills, rolling mountain kind of scenario under the water, but still, very difficult terrain, very deep to find this wreckage, if they are able to spot the debris, then backtrack, calculate where it came from and how far it may have drifted in the ocean. back to you. >> so, tom, as we look at najib

razak, he's making the statement he believes the plane went down in the south indian ocean based on this satellite analysis, you discussed this since the beginning, what do we know in terms of how dependable this new process is, what do we know about the analysis that they undertook? >> i think that what we're really talking about here on the part of mrsat, is really pushing the boundaries of what we have understood is the capability to pick up satellite data, the faintest pings and do advanced mathematical calculations to figure out where this plane might have gone, based on its speed, its trajectory, altitude, fuel consumption, et cetera; all of that going into an advanced mathematical calculation to decide, okay, the plane left malaysia, bound for vietnam, did a u-turn, we don't know why it

did the u-turn, then these pings coming all the way down here into the south indian ocean. it's really a stunning piece of scientific work, i would think, along with advanced mathematical calculati calculations, and really the very edge of technology to be able to isolate this. and here's one last thought for you, richard, that is if somebody did this intentionally, we don't know still, right, we don't know why this plane ended up here, but if somebody did this intentionally, if they chose this incredibly remote area to crash an airplane, the fact that we were able to find, that humans were able to get a trace on this plane based on these very, very faint satellite sag signals and advanced math, it's a tribute to these people working this problem. >> quickly here, tom, i have to ask you, that particular area, you have some statistics on the number of ships that go through, the number of shipping containers that often fall off

there. >> it's not really for this particular area, but worldwide every year, there are more than a dozen cargo ships that sink, more than 1,000 cargo containers, in fact, by some accounts, 10,000 cargo containers that fall overboard every year, so the ocean is littered with this junk. imagine all of that stuff, right, not to mention you throw a pepsi can out in the ocean. there's so much junk floating around. in this part of the world, we have these strong currents carrying everything around, circumnavigating the globe, so all of that stuff gets caught in the currents and traverses the bottom half of the globe below australia, so it is a scenario where just because they find debris in here, you can see why they are suspicious, it may not be debris from flight 370. >> tom costello, as always, thank you so much. ian williams is in perth, australia, for us, looking at the issue of debris, but not only that, the chinese families receiving text messages from

malaysia airlines. i want to read a part of it, "we deeply regret we have to assume beyond a reasonable doubt none on board have survived. as you will hear, we must accept all evidence the plane went down in the southern indian ocean. i'm going to underline that text message, saying none on board have survived. first to you, ian, any reaction in australia from that developing news? >> reporter: well, it's late here now, richard, so i think we'll see the first reaction to this in the early morning, when the search resumes, but that was a pretty devastating way of putting that news across to the relatives, and i suspect that many of those devastated relatives simply won't accept it, won't believe it, until they see physical evidence and see part of the plane fished out of the indian ocean. now the search will continue tomorrow, but it's significant

that the prime minister of malaysia didn't refer to the search for debris, if he did have any special insight, any additional information from today's spotting of debris, he didn't share it with the relatives that might suggest that perhaps he thinks we could be in for the long haul down there, there may be no quick identification of aircraft parts. now we had two encouraging sightings today, one of the most positive days we've seen, a chinese airplane identified two objects in the water, square, large, white, they reported that. a u.s. aircraft went in to double check but couldn't find it themselves, nevertheless the chinese have photographs which have been analyzed. later in the day, an australian military aircraft went in and spotted objects itself, inclu including what it called a round, large round object, which was gray/green, as well as a

rectangular object, which was orange. this is how one of those onboard that australian orion described it. the step -- the search will be considerably stepped up tomorrow with about ten aircraft, we understand, heading out there, including chinese again, aided now by japanese aircraft in what's become a small fleet of ships, including up to seven chinese that will soon be in the vicinity, as well as the australian military ship, "the success," which is going in search of that debris that was spotted by the australian aircraft, intending to fish it

out of the water, but i think what we've learned over this last day, this last couple of days, is even when objects or debris is spotted by an aircraft, it's then a whole new process to go and fish that out and positively identify what it is in the most harsh conditions, but certainly the search will be stepped up tomorrow and with this additional information to go by, richard. >> so ian, we have those developments in the last 11 hours you're talking about, those pictures, the identification of pieces of debris, if you will, from chinese planes that are out there, then just within the last hour, we have that development of the prime minister noting that they believe that the plane had gone down, virtually confirming that the plane had gone down in the south indian ocean. that now then brings the emphasis, not only from the international community, but also the families here, to the why and the how, really underlining that. and with what tom costello was

telling us moments ago, how sure can we be about this debris, given the amount of garbage, shall we say, that falls into the south indian ocean that's moved around? >> that is an enormously challenging task that they have, because the evidence which was described today, the mrsat data, gets us over the indian ocean, where it seems now the aircraft went down, but this is a vast, vast area and a very inhospitable area, harsh area, when it comes to searching, so having identified, they believe, that this is where the aircraft came down, it doesn't get away from the fact the search for the debris is still enormously challenging. they have managed to concentrate that search more, but it is still a vast area. the weather isn't helping. it's very challenging for them, and when they do, or if they do find a part of the afrkt, then

in a sense that's only the first stage. they've then got to decide from that where the debris came from, the likely drift, before they can identify an area where the plane might have come down and begin that vital search for the black box, so this is enormously challenging, and even though we have this evidence, satellite evidence, that brings the plane, ends its flight over the indian ocean, that really doesn't get us any nearer to finding the debris and finding where exactly it came down, richard. >> ian williams on that story for us live there just after 11:00 p.m. in perth, australia. thank you so much. joining us now in studio, tamron hall, just finishing covering this story for nbc news. >> this is compelling information, richard, and we've been covering the latest developments on nbc. thank you for picking up our "news nation" coverage. joining me, richard burgess, a

retired mission commander of the p-3c, the plane being used in the search, also joining me now, former aviation correspondent, bob hager. bob, let me start with you, you've been covering this, as well. let's assess and take a step back from how we started this someday, to this breaking development of the officials determining that this flight did, in fact, end over the indian ocean. where at this point, what is the key next step here? >> okay, well, the next step is to find this wreckage they've been looking at so far from satellites, see if you can actually see it on the surface and make a positive identification, because this new satellite data today, the calculations really from the satellite, simply gets it down there in this corridor in the south indian ocean. >> did we not know this friday from the analysis that had come in before the weekend that these first pieces of debris that were

not able to be located due to weather and other obvious obstacles, did we not know this on friday, the likelihood that the aircraft had ended, as they are putting it today? >> i'll tell you what that was. the whole business of the northern arc that went up to kazakhstan and so forth over the himalayas and the southern arc into the indian ocean, all that was based on the plane is not communicating with ground, except there are these signals being sent out by the acars system that goes up and interrogates a satellite. they knew the satellite got seven different hits, one an hour, it's a beam from the plane interrogating the satellite saying, gee, do i belong to you, should i be sending up information about the plane? so it's a benign kind of thing is what it is. they knew -- they calculated

these corridors based on that. then people eliminated the northern corridor because they said it's over land, you would have seen the plane on radar, so concentrating on the southern corridor. last friday, the ntsb, american investigators, made this calculation based on how much fuel in the plane where on the southern arc they thought it might be, and that's the area where they are concentrating. sure enough, the satellite turned up this wreckage that may or may not be the plane wreckage, but might be. >> obviously -- >> now today, you have a new and more refined calculation by the owner of the satellite, which is in great britain, and saying, yeah, we really know for sure it was on this southern corridor, but they are not saying where, so the search continues. >> absolutely. let me bring in commander burgess here. we had an opportunity to speak with you last week here. bob breaking down the information, i think in a way many people have been following

this now understand, but, obviously, the challenge, the unknown is finding any wreckage, and i have to tell you, i was thinking about the family members getting that news today saying that, in a sense, this is where your loved ones' life ended. there's a part of closure that accepts this, but until we actually see a piece of the wreckage, until we see something that indicates that this is a physical part of this flight, there will be many people who say this scenario or this pinpoint location, satellite or not, is not what happened here. >> that's right. the priority now is going to be for the search aircraft to relocate the wreckage in the morning. one of the big advantages we have nowadays is global positioning system, which enables multiple aircraft to have this exact same information and be able to go back to an exact location that they were at the previous day and begin a search from there. one of the ways that they can also aid in the search is by

dropping sonar buoys, dropped in the water from the p3 aircraft. they have a radio transmitter and enables another airplane coming out on station to relieve the aircraft that dropped the buoy to locate the same buoy and track the wreckage from there. >> let me pause you there. we've been talking about the buoys, the first images, i believe we saw, the first chinese satellite, we saw this portion of what was believed to be a plane or could have been debris, i should say, from a 370. we saw these buoys being dropped in, but we know inclement weather, difficult circumstances, that initial debris, as we understand it, has never been located, despite some of the most advanced search equipment being used from that point until today. >> that's right. when you drop these buoys in the water, they have a limited life span of a few hours. they go dead and you can no longer find them again, so that's what makes it challenging, and also requiring

visually, the sea state is high, you know, with waves breaking, ice -- excuse me, white caps, makes it difficult to relocate wreckage seen on a previous day. >> bob, let me bring you back in. again, unprecedented equipment being brought in and used to try to locate this plane or parts of it. we know, though, without the black box, there will be many holes here. what's happening now, you believe, to locate that, because we're hearing information about, as you refer to it, as pings, if that's the right description that could lead to that black box, even in this infinite ocean we're looking at? >> the only thing we're looking at now is the specialized listening devices, which eventually you'd put in the water, listen for that ping. only thing that's happening right now is they are getting them out to the scene. i mean, they are en route. one listening device is en route from the u.s., so it's going to

take a while. i presume they are going to have a bunch of these listening devices from different boats, and that's just the beginning of the process, but you've got to know where, this ping from the black boxes only goes five to ten miles out from the box, so you've got to get the boats to the area where you think the majority of the wreckage is at the bottom of the sea and that may be a long way from where the pieces are floating on the ocean, if they turn out -- >> two more questions for you, first, the battery life for the black box, people are saying 13 hours or so, you're saying it may have a bit more than what we're keeping track of. >> the black box, that has a long, very long battery life. there are two black boxes, they are orange, as you know, one's a flight data recorder and one is a cockpit voice recorder. they'll stay under the ocean. if they are in okay shape, and they ought to be, there's no

issue about power running out or anything, because the event is already over, and they've recovered flight -- one cockpit voice recorder stayed down at the bottom of the mediterranean for nine years, they got it up and it still worked, spit out the conversation. >> is it sending out an alert to locate it, is the question. is it still sending out an alert? >> that pinger from the black box, it's triggered when it hits the water, so the specification is, the pinger should go for 30 days. in reality, there's fudge room there, you know, it may go another half a month, a month and a half, something like that. that's about the outside. if you haven't found the box within that time frame, so under that calculation we'd have about a month more at the outside. then you have to find it without the pingers and that could take years. >> bob, thank you very much. commander burgess, thank you very much. greatly appreciate it. developing right now, the search for more victims out of

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them, with this grim and very sad news. >> reporter: that's right, tamron, actually, i'm going to talk quietly just out of respect, because one of the families is trying to talk to reporters just right over to the right here, but a little earlier on, we did watch them sitting together quietly in this corner of this hotel where they've been staying, listen on television to the prime minister make that announcement and just looking stoney faced. the father of 29-year-old boy on flight 370 has sat quietly. his wife, the step mother of the 29 year old on the flight, and she was gently stroking his arm and in tears as the prime minister made that announcement and then he isn't really able to speak english very well, so a relative leaned in and explained what the prime minister had announced, and he just got up and walked away. and he's been now for about an

hour collecting his thoughts, as you can imagine, and just having some time with his family to himself, and now he's just, as i say, come back out and is making a statement to the media and perhaps one of the things they will be talking about is the fact they were given a text message, an e-mail, just before the announcement was made by the prime minister, and i guess the malaysian authorities had been trying to make sure that they let relatives know in advance about any announcement they were going to make, but pretty grueling to get the announcement by text message such as this, to hear about how they now think this flight ended, when knowing that your 29-year-old son is onboard, tamron. >> keir, with that news from malays malaysia's prime minister that it is believed the flight ended there, with all of the challenges involved in this search, despite the incredible effort, are you hearing families who worry that perhaps this will

be called off far earlier than, obviously, they would like, which would -- their goal would be to get their loved ones returned or some physical proof that this was where the flight went down? >> reporter: yeah, having trouble hearing you, tamron, but i think you were asking about how the families will cope now, there is some talk about some of them flying to australia, but then again, the trouble is with this announcement is that they don't know how long it's going to take for the search to take place and whether or not the debris that's been seen in the indian ocean is connected to flight 370, so it could still be a long way for that kind of evidence, if you like to appear, so we are still going to see incredibly anxious days for the families, even with this announcement, and we're yet to hear why the prime minister, malaysian prime minister, thinks this is the right thing to say, what the evidence is, what the research is, and, of course, the

families will be the ones listening to every word of that most closely, tamron. >> keir simmons, thank you so much, and thank you for your incredible respect for those families who are there with you today. thank you very much, keir. turning now to a developing story out of washington state, where this morning rescue teams have resumed their search for 18 people still missing after saturday's massive mud slide. the washington state patrol released this helicopter footage showing the huge -- wiping out two hillside communities and at least 30 homes. these pictures show how the one-square mile looked before and after the devastation. for two days, rescue teams have been scouring the area for survivors, but it is dangerous work. the mud is 20 feet deep in some places and it's been described as walking on quick sand.

nbc's jennifer is in oso, washington, this morning with the latest efforts. i see activity behind you, have they been able to resume the physical search? >> reporter: yes, they have, tamron, in fact, we heard the first choppers flying over to resume the aerial search this morning. they've been spotting things in this slurry that they are searching through, and the first 12 hours they heard voices from the mud. after that, they didn't hear the voices anymore, and during those first 12 critical hours, the slurry was so deep and so viscous that rescue crews found themselves chest deep and had to be rescued themselves, so there was no way to get to those voices. now they are having little hope of finding anybody in there alive, but the search does go on this morning and they are telling us at least one good

positive point, they have a little bit of a window before the rain starts tonight, that it's not quite as dangerous, that the river has found a different way around and it's starting to divert around all the sludge that's there and the debris that's come down off that mountain, so the threat of more mud slides and flooding in that area for the rescue crews is diminishing by the hour, tamron. >> thank you for the latest developments. we'll keep our audience up to date, you mentioned expecting rain which could complicate things further. also developing now, a major cleanup is under way in texas after tar-like oil spilled into galveston bay after a barge carrying about 900,000 gallons of this heavy oil collided with a ship saturday in the busy houston ship channel. you can see the huge gash, in fact, in the side of the barge. the houston ship channel is now

closed. the coast guard says as a result of that, 43 ships are waiting to go out from the port of houston. those include several cruise ships, by the way. the spill is also affecting wildlife. oil-soaked birds are now showing up. about ten have been recovered and taken to a facility to be cleaned. we'll keep you up to date on that story, as well. right now, president obama is in the netherlands for a nuclear security summit, but the crisis in ukraine is overshadowing the trip. plus, the investigation into why this train ended up colliding into an escalator, injuring dozens of people at chicago's o'hare airport. this is a part of the subway system in chicago, known as the "l," it's one of the stories we're following around the "news nation."

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ukrainian government and the ukrainian people. we're united in imposing a cost on russia for its actions so far. >> that, of course, was president obama speaking this morning in the netherlands, where he is attending a nuclear security summit. however, the crisis in ukraine will also be a major focus at that summit. nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander traveling with the president, he joins us now. obviously, peter, there's been a lot of developments over the weekend regarding ukraine. how is the president balancing the serious conversations of nuclear security summit with what's happening in realtime in ukraine? >> reporter: yeah, tamron, that's a good question. the president's going to be visiting four nations over the course of this week, but the highlight's going to begin about two hours from now on the sidelines of this nuclear summit with the g7, the industrialized nations that formed the g7. russia is not included. a matter of moments ago, we heard from an adviser who said

basically the u.s. may consider expelling or disincluding russia in further gatherings like this, saying there's no reason for the u.s. to engage with russia, considering their actions at this time. you played that sound bite from the president earlier today in terms of confronting russia that there are costs, the question for their meeting today is how strong the costs, tamron, will be and how far the european leaders are willing to go in terms of those costs. there's a lot more at stake for the europeans, whose economies are more intertwined with russia than the americans' is. >> peter alexander, thank you very much for the update there. up next, the latest on the breaking news in the disappearance in the malaysian air flight 370. and this -- >> i got out of the vehicle and

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we continue to follow breaking news, malaysia's prime minister announcing in the last hour that new analysis of

satellite data indicates malaysia flight 370 did go down in a remote part of the indian ocean and informing families there's no chance of survivors. joining me again, former aviation correspondent bob hager. bob, i have a million questions, like so many people. but the first is, we're going into week three now. over the last two weeks, we heard the flight plan was programmed in. people presented that as fact, suspicion over why data was deleted from a flight simulator in the pilot's home. you've heard all of these things. why today are we giving so much credibility to this information that the plane went down in the indian ocean? >> i believe, knowing what i know, first, positive nature of the prime minister's statement doesn't leave any room for saying, you know, we think maybe or whatever, and the fact that these calculations were made by the owner of the satellite, which is a british company, i think if they are announcing it

this solidly, they got it. some of the other things; you're right, it was will of the wisp information and speculation, and so forth, but this one you can hang your coat on that. >> so regarding how they came to this conclusion, take us through just quickly here the process of determining where the flight was and that it was incapable or did not have enough fuel to make it to any land around there. >> well, so you've got this acars system in the cockpit, which sends data down, it's a messaging system so you can message back and forth to your company or controllers. it also sends down data about the engines and everything else. there's a data half of that and there's a second half of that that does not send data, it just sends a beam up to a satellite to interrogate the satellite to say, has your airline contracted with this satellite to take in my information. okay, so the data sending part

in the cockpit was down, maybe intentionally shut down, we don't know exactly. it was down. the other part of that system, which simply sends a beam up to a satellite to make an interrogation, do you recognize my signal, do you want to give me some data, that continued. so once an hour, this little gadget on the plane interrogates a satellite. they know the satellite out over the pacific got this information and that's how they calculated that northern arc and a southern arc. now the same satellite company, which -- has somehow eliminated the northern arc, no, no, it was on the southern arc. you also suggested why it would go so long that way, and this is speculation now, but the fact it continues on that southern arc for so long, so many hours, about six and a half hours on that final leg of the flight at the same altitude and all, well we don't know the altitude, i

misspoke there. there's not a live pilot doing that, or a pilot, if a pilot took over the cockpit and took the plane on that errant route and did his partner in, he's taken a pill or something, he's incapacitied, because that's flying without any guidance to go for that long. where they found the suspected wreckage is where the plane would have run out of fuel, so that all fits a picture, but again, there's no proof of this. >> and we still have not eliminated, obviously, something catastrophic happening, as well. >> i think that's important, yeah. >> yes, it is. >> in the beginning we were saying, no, no, something must have happened in the cockpit because that's the only way you can explain certain things, but all this time has gone by and they have not uncovered anything yet about the pilot or copilot in their background that would suggest a suicide mission. nobody has claimed responsibility. i think it's important to look at the possibility it could have

been some catastrophic mechanical problem on the plane. >> incredible. >> not terrorism. >> bob, thank you very much. very appreciated. potentially damaging testimony in the oscar pistorius murder trial. that tops our stories around the "news nation." a police captain testifies text messages retrieved from reeva steenkamp's phone said she was afraid of oscar pistorius at times. one message just weeks before pistorius shot her said, "i'm scared of you sometimes, of how you snap at me." she also said he picked on her inses sently and was nasty. most of the text messages were normal and loving, but several accused pistorius of being jealous and possessive. the ntsb is investigating a subway train derailment at chicago o'hare airport. the fire commissioner says the train jumped up on the sidewalk,

went up the stairs in an escalator. the transit authority is not aware of what caused the derailment. people injured are expected to be okay. a shift of focus now to the brave men and women who serve our country in conflicts around the world. a new documentary series airing monday night on the relaunched american heros channel brings us the gripping stories straight from the battlefield of the real life band of brothers and sisters who fight in our wars. >> my gunner and my driver both had concussions. i got out of the vehicle, now i'm on the ground, evacuating the causalities out of the vehicle and trying to take command and control of what was now the middle of a firefight. >> incredible. joining me now, perfecto santo, the man you were just hearing, an iraq war veteran, part of the

team that helped capture ramadi in 2006. perfecto, i've been waiting to talk to you for many weeks now, i ran into you, we were in florida, and the channel was launched, american heros channel and your story was a part of that. what compelled you to participate in this, you're reliving hard memories. you lost people close to you in that battle. >> yes, and that's a very fair question. i think the first thing i want to say, it's not my story, i had a hard time whether to decide to do it or not, but i wanted to do it because it's about the men i served with and i wanted to tell their stories for them and their families. i think it's an important story to tell, as well. >> six men in your company were fallen in the battle of ramadi, two in your platoon, and it is, their story, but also yours. how did it feel to relive this? for all of us to hear? >> yeah, and i think -- i mean, something that was so special

and so poignant in the time of my life, i think it's important to acknowledge those memories and it's something that's a really big part of who i am as a person today, and i'm very proud of it at the end of the day. it was something very historic, very important in that time in history, and, yes, it's emotional, but it's something i can proudly say that i did with all of my efforts and i'm happy to be here. >> and i'm happy you brought your story especially, because it involves the iraq war, you know, bring it up at a dinner table, you're going to have various opinions, but i think, hopefully, the overwhelming gratitude goes toward people like yourself, who gave up so much for this country during that war and it's not, of course, the only battle. i want to play a clip from the show airing tonight, the battle for sugar loaf in okinawa. let's play a clip of that. >> of course, in the annuls of

the history of the marine corps as one of the big battles. so many other battles. we're a page of and a deserving page. >> a deserving page indeed. the fact that this is called against the odds, when you look at your life today and what you were able to survive, how does that shape where you are as a man now? >> i think leaving the military is one of the hardest personal decisions i've had to make. one thing i promised the men i served next to, i would live every day in their honor. and i now carry that this is called responsibility to make everything that i do after my time in ramadi mean something. and i want to make it mean something. so i never forget that experience and never forget them. i thank them for teaching me, for protecting me and that's

something that i want to continue to live in every day that i have on this earth, to be a good person. so -- >> you know you're bringing tears to my eyes again. every time i've seen you. thank you so much. you're a great guy. >> thank you. >> sorry, "against the odds" airs mondays at 10:00 p.m. eastern. it's a celebration of our heroes on american hero channel. we'll be right back. for some, every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college. our commitment to current and former military members and their families is without equal. ♪ [ male announcer ] bob's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one.

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time for today's "news nation" gut check, how would you like to go to college for free? that's a heck of a question. a handful of states are looking to whether to make community college free for grads to cut down on student debt, the question always is in the cases who's going to foot the bill. joining me now mark of og. whose spearheading the program. who's going to pay for it? >> states like oregon and mississippi are looking at the

government to reconfigure the pel grant and when you ask how this will be paid for, the other side of that, two years of community college tuition is a lot cheaper than a lifetime on food stamps and reality there's a couple of them. one of them is that people do not -- for a good job lasts 30 or 40 years, there's no path to the middle classanymore. straight from high school, there's only one path if you have no more education. poverty is very expensive. we have a group of young people in oregon that's been categorized as idle youth, similar to those groups all over the country. 67,000 people 18 and 24 that really have no marketable skills and no job sean they are not bad people or criminals or at risk youth or anything but costing taxpayers about $14,000 in social services and direct costs for society. that's expensive too. >> you were looking at reinvesting the money in a

different way and i was in medford, oregon, beautiful part of the country. wish we had more time to talk. we've been covering breaking news. we invite our audience to go on the website. what is it your gut tell you? you heard him make the case why community college, at least two years of it should be free. but should taxpayers foot the bill? pay it on the front end or perhaps as they say on the back end. let us know what you think. you can go to our website. that does it for -- that does it for this edition of "news nation." thank you so much for joining us. thank you for your patience as well. join our show in the middle of it. andrea mitchell reports up next. her interview with president jimmy carter. if i can impart one lesson to a

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this new data flight mh 370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> right now, breaking news today in the search for missing malaysia flight 370. the malaysian prime minister announcing today that new evidence removes all hope that the 239 passengers survived. we'll have the latest as the search continues for debris hundreds of miles off the coast of australia. reinforcements as russian forces tighten their grip around crimea today taking over a naval base and fortifying troonz near the border. president obama is in the netherlands trying to fortify the allied response. >> europe and america are united in our support of the ukrainian government and the ukrainian people and united in imposing