should anthony weiner's new column be called. it does have a name, wiener! >> mom, cover your ears. one of my favorites,business so. and then another one was that i like was sharing a point thing. and weiner's column, cubic interest and politically erect. >> we got some good ones and poking some fun at weiner. a lot to talk about at the top of "morning joe." that's it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ i want to know where my husband is. you know, i just need to know. >> john is 32 years in the navy. if someone can survive it, it's

him. >> if he any warning at all, we have to think he is somewhere and safe and they just can't reach him right now. >> good morning, everybody. it's tuesday, march 25th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, pulitzer prize winner and columnist of "the washington post" and msnbc analyst, eugene robinson. >> i have to ask -- >> why don't people know when you're joking? you got ruined yesterday. you were good. >> i was making fun of myself yesterday. making fun of myself. >> and no one really noticed willie. >> i'm sorry, you're so sweet. >> what are you talking about? >> you were gone for a week. >> lashing out? >> i should have been more patient. >> can you tell us what you're talking about? >> no, that's all right. that would ruin the show. can you go to another show for that to actually know what we are talking about.

>> dial 601. >> but a lot of people do know what we are talking about and you ought to clue in? >> do you have any idea what they are talking about? >> not really. >> i'm sorry you put yourself out there. >> that was yesterday. we kept going on and on. >> oh, that. >> you're talking about marsh? >> i talked about marsh bringing a ship down and intercepting an airplane martians. so mika got all revved up and had her fit and started raising her voice. i said this is the first time in seven years i can say you need to calm down because she always tells me to calm down. >> that's funny. >> the first time? >> everybody got mad at me. >> it's all right, joe. >> you were really rude to willie. >> you need apologize. click your fingers like in his face. >> exactly. willie got me back and i so

appreciate it. it's cold outside. >> yes, it is. >> it's going to snow today. >> and tomorrow. >> for people -- yeah, yeah. you know, we used to say, willie and i used to say here, thank god that march is coming. right? >> right. >> because march is spring, right? now we are saying, thank god april is coming but it's snowing, willie, the last two days of march. >> it starts this afternoon and going to snow all day tomorrow. >> are you bill karins? >> i inspire to be bill karins. >> i hear him! >> he is tied up. >> he is much better. >> is it really going to snow? >> just a little bit. not enough to annoy you. >> thanks, bill. we will get to that. joe, a couple of big stories to get to today. just so you know, we have an amazing and devastating turn of events in malaysia where the country's prime minister says there is no hope of rescue for the 239 people aboard flight

370. we are going to have reaction to the families, the latest on the search for debris, especially now the weather has taken a turn for the worse. i have for you a list of questions i'd like you to stick to. russia is also out of the g- as president obama and other western nations take another decisive action against vladimir putin. how will he respond? this is big news. this was breaking yesterday and some people actually got it and others did not. scott brown -- >> i didn't get it. >> it's okay. >> scott brown, i don't know if he did either. >> he makes an interesting comment on his bid to return to the u.s. senate. he is going door-to-door to convince voters he is the right man for the job so we have his quote which really lays out his campaign message. we are going to read that for you and let you decide. >> by the way, it's like a bumper sticker in the making. >> by the way, gene and i, because we know politics, it's

our job, we will tell you why actually this message may actually be good. >> it's an incredible message and as a viewer, you'll feel like, wow, we got one finally. >> i have to ask you -- >> you're terrible. >> should i tell everybody? >> what is on your jacket? >> let's move on. >> so here are your questions and we're going to go on to the stop story tonight. >> here you go. >> oh, my goodness. this is another big breaking story that we have been getting to. you would think actually that we are talking about malaysia 370, but there is a story happening here in the country. the scope of the deadly mudslide in washington is so immense, it takes a helicopter to get a handle on just how much destruction is really there. have you all heard about this? look at this. at least 14 people were killed when the ground gave way late saturday morning. today, there is real concern

that number could jump with reports of 176 people still missing. that number could change a lot. police say many of the names may be duplicates. they are doing a lot of word-of-mouth and trying to figure out who the victims are in the scope of this disaster. still many families are bracing for the word. nbc miguel alma gear got a first-land look. >> football fields of destruction and it goes on and on. the streets and communities that took the brunt of the damage. this is the area where first responders heard -- for help 12 hours. they just couldn't reach everybody. this isn't the first time this mountain has given way. eight years ago, it buckled in the exact same place, just not to this scale. folks who lived here never

thought they would see something like this. >> as thes photos show the area today is completely unrecognizable from before the weekend slide. the national guard is expected to arrive later today to help in the search but as one local fire official said, the situation is very grim and there are concerns that this could have been prevent. we don't know why these people were living here, given some information that bill karins has. weather conditions are being blamed for triggering the disaster and more rain, bill to impact the search efforts? >> the more i read about it the more questions have to be answered. emergency manager in a news conference on monday went ahead and said no one knew this was going to happen and everyone thought the hill was sarve and as we dig back through records that people were saying this could collapse the last 60 years. in 1999 in the army corps of engineers went out and looked at this hill and said this is a catastrophe waiting to happen and no clue people were allowed to live there or building permits were given to the people

to even increase the population of this region. just crazy. a lot of those answers hopefully will come in the weeks ahead. as for the search and rescue ongoing we have had 7 1/2 to 8 inches of rain in this region over the month of march and a wet month and that contributed to the slide obviously. it's pouring again this morning in this region and looks like in next five days, another inch or two. it's not going to help things. if you look at those before and after pictures, a river runs below the base of that mountain and that river kind of undercut the mountain and helped with the slide. not only are they dealing with just the mudslide but a river going through the middle of the mudslide as they are trying to rescue these people. they say it's like quick sand. extremely difficult. >> that is extremely devastating for the people who live there. let's stay on this and make sure they get the answers they need. bill, thank you. we will be getting your national forecast in a little while. to the search of flight 370, which has already ended for the day after crews were forced to suspend flights because of poor

weather and rough seas. the location of the missing flight is still unknown but search is focused on the southern indian ocean. after several satellite images spotted objects and according to malaysian officials, we now definitively know that flight 370 is no longer a search and rescue. >> based on the new analysis and the aaib have concluded that mh-370 flew along the southern corridor and that it's last position was in the middle of the indian ocean west of perth. therefore, with deep sadness and regret that i must inform you

that according to this new data, mh-370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> malaysia's prime minister says the data is conclusive. that is based off a new analysis from experts who revisited the data from the satellite pings when combined with the last known speed and altitude of the malaysian flight, officials say there is no doubt the plane is somewhere in the indian ocean. the impact on the families was devastating, to say the least. several chinese families accuse the malaysians of murder while others struggle to cope with the news. malaysian official have come under fire as how they shared information with the families. yesterday, the families of the 239 missing passengers and crew members were told in a number of different ways. some on the phone and some in private face-to-face meetings

and then there were some people they could not find face-to-face by phone so they were reportedly told by text message. i think the contention was that they had to get all of the information out at the same time and text messaging had to be used in some cases. this morning, dozens of angry relatives clashed with police outside of the malaysian embassy in beijing. crews are looking to locate debris from the plane and bring closure for the families. australian officials spoke about the search earlier this morning. >> let's be clear. to this point in time, we have not successfully and identified any debris from the aircraft in question. this is a mystery and until we recover and positively identify a piece of debris, everything is speculation. >> if i can put the analogy we got out there at the moment. we are not searching for a nelged in a haystack but trying

to determine where the haystack is. >> yesterday morning when the news broke and rattner and i were talking about the pings, the scope was so massive and yesterday a british company came out with their conclusions and showed, for the first time, they could figure out and trace those pings to the south indian ocean where there is absolutely no hope for survival, if their analysis is correct, and certainly everybody is taking their analysis as the gospel. >> it took two and a half weeks but i guess they finally synthesized everything they had and made a story out of it. let's go to washington and speak with michael goldfavre. based on new information, we heard yesterday from the prime minister there, flush out a little bit what joe started to explain. why do we know two and a half weeks later what we didn't know, say, a week ago? >> through some very smart people with degrees in

trigonometry that essential took the radar data and triangulated and it something know as the doppler effect and measured the sound of that aircraft coming towards and leaving the satellite and projected at an angle to the sea. this whole story just gets stranger and stranger. you have to question the malaysians prime minister going on air yesterday prior to having one piece of debris, one piece of forensic evidence of where that crash was and doing it supposedly to give closure to the families. i understand one woman was text message and didn't read english and thought it was good news. we have the families being treated very poorly over two and a half weeks and we have the information changing almost daily on what happened to this aircraft, speculation du jour. we are now left with bad seas and bad weather and a slim hope of getting that haystack, as it was referred to before, before we can even go with the needle to look for those so-called black boxes. it's awful.

>> based on what you know now as of this morning, are you satisfied with that explanation that it went down in a remote region of the indian ocean? do you believe there is more to this story at this point? >> i'm not sure there is more in terms of the notions it went north or landed elsewhere. it's a pretty good bet that given the ntsb's projection of a plane running five to six hours and perhaps it was on autopilot that is probably the area where the plane went down. that part is clear. but let's look at -- we have no idea at this point as to what the cause was. we went through a notion of terrorism, of hijacking. nothing to bear that out yet. could it have been something catastrophic? probably could have been something like that. there had been some warnings to boeing on the 77 about potential catastrophic loss of their haul and those warnings came in the form of air worthiness directive giving malaysia air time to make that change and repair. we have no idea if that happened and what the maintenance of that aircraft was. >> what was the specific warning

of the boeing? >> the warning was cracks, joe, in the fuselage near the antenna. the warnings sound after all but like a car recall. if you read the warning you probably wouldn't fly. it says could lead to catastrophic decompression of the air frame but within the airline industry, it just says get that checked. so that has to be looked at. >> right now, if we are talking about going the direction we are talking about going and this plane just -- early on, people said there must have been a fire and no way you could go five or six more hours if there had been a fire. somebody still had to turn off the transponders which didn't make a lot of sense but if you got past all of that, though, the sort of warnings about cracks could possibly lead to what we were talking about, a payne stewart type tragedy where you had massive decompression inside the plane, correct? >> correct. and remember in the late 1980s hawaiian air basically disintegrated half of its whole

inflight and managed to land and that managed to check for corrosion for planes that fly oversea where the fuselage can, you know, develop these cracks so that has happened. so there could be a slowly evolving decompression. there could have been a small fire that knocked out the transponders, that knocked out the acars. one interesting point that is really handicapping this investigation unlike in air france is that malaysian air made a decision not to buy the app that came with the airplane. so we are not talking rustproofing here. we are talking about a data app. that app would have provided a flow of information, especially in that first segment of the flight, back to malaysia air. they didn't do it. it was $10 a flight and 100,000 an airplane. the feeling is the plane is a safe plane and we don't need it. that has to change everywhere. everyone needs to have the data that is required and we wouldn't be sitting here two and a half weeks later, we would be much closer to at least understanding where that plane was and perhaps

why it crashed. >> that's an interesting point and i hadn't heard. do most other planes have that app? is that commonplace? >> yes. this was a 777, 2002. your wi-fi system and talking to the airlines has better navigation capability than the pilot does to air traffic control so we haven't provided what we are going to provide and make this game changing kind of event and every plane will be able to communicate and have those technologies and that is where it's going in a few years and, unfortunately, in this case, we weren't just there yet. >> michael, thank you. great information. appreciate it. >> thank you, michael. it's interesting the british guys have trigonometry greasdeg >> all of our years at mit. >> i was working through the calculations and almost there. >> i had my slide ruler and that thing with two points?

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anarchy. >> you know what i like to call it? the happiest place on earth. >> i have your cat. >> no, keep the cat. i know you've been lonely since your daughter stole your cat and took her up to school. >> it's true. >> so you take my cat for a while. >> this cat looks like a ferret. >> are you talking about the colonel? >> it looks like a squirrel. wait until you see it. >> show a picture of the colonel! >> no. >> this is the cutest picture. >> and angle looks cute. >> look at this cute cat! >> no. >> that's the colonel! >> wait until you see it tomorrow. guys? >> don't insult my cat. >> it's a ferret mixed with a little bit of coon and definitely a squirrel and he thinks it's a cat. >> that is a weird looking animal. >> that is a cute, cute cat. we have peter baker standing by

and we will ask him. the g-8 is official down to 7. this is big news that broke yesterday, late in the day. world leaders gathered in the netherlands yesterday to talk strategy on the deepening crisis with russia minus representatives from the kremlin. ukraine is revealing its worn down military a force that many members in congress say was allowed to languish for years under president yanukovych. "the wall street journal" says the military has 40,000 military personnel but only 6,000 land troops are combat ready. the senate has finally approved aid for ukraine in a lopsided vote guaranteeing $100 million in loans and 100 million to foster security and independence. as we mentioned joining us now from washington, white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker. he writes in "the new york times" in part, this. for 15 years, vladimir putin has confounded american presidents

as they have tried to figure him out he on out, only to misjudge him time and again. he rebuffed their efforts at friendship and he has argued them and lectured them and misled them and accused them and kept them waiting and guessing and betrayed by them and to the extent there were any illusions left in washington and it is hard to imagine there were by this point they were finally irrevocably shattered by putin's takeover of crimea and sanctions that followed. as russian forces mass on the ukrainian border the debate has now shifted from how to work with mr. putin to how to counter him. a lot of people would contend that is where we should have been in the first place, joe. you don't try to work -- he is messing with us, has been every step of the way and i completely disagree with the sochi olympics being there. it just was -- it was kind of hard to watch. >> >> the world cup is going to be there too. >> why? move it. >> so many people in the west,

peter, after the cold war were hoping to forge a closer alliance with the russians and it's not like we were doing it for their own good because we felt sorry for them obviously. a lot of russian money in london. a lot of russian money in berlin and a lot of russian money across the west but dealing with a russian leader we have not had to deal with in some time. you don't need bill o'reilly's body language expert to see whenever he met barack obama he would be slumped in his chair like no other world i've ever seen. just showing absolute contempt, not just for barack obama, but for the west. how do we handle him now? you talk about george w. bush. you talk about -- oon none of the presidents have been able to handle this guy. what is next for the united states, the west, and vladimir putin? >> yeah. it's it's going to be a period of long hostility and

alienation. vladimir putin has his grievan e grievanc grievances. feels the west has failed to deliver for him. >> are there any legitimate grievances there? >> legitimate policy differences. he feels the expansion of nato was anti-russian move on the part of the west. >> there is that body language! i'm slumping. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> no, no. i think nato expansion is a great example. felt that was an anti-russian move in effect and, arguably it was to some extent. a hedge against the idea that russian would do what it's doing now. there's a real disconnect between the american and western europe view of the world and eastern europe view of the world for that matter and the moscow view of the world that vladimir putin represents. i think until people understand what that disconnect is all about it's hard for any american leader to do business with. >> gene has a question. let me ask you since you're in the opinion business and peter

is not. do you get a sense that vladimir putin may have overplayed his hand? the g-8 is now the g-7. the united states is on the cusp of an energy revolution. do you think he may be looking back or aggressions may be looking back and seeing this as a colossal mistake? >> no. i think he feels that if the west had just done the way it should have done and done the things the way they should have we wouldn't be here but he feels had he no choice but to exert russia's influence on what he would call -- that is from his point of view. >> there is an argument. certainly the russians believe we have overplayed our hand in the west? >> yeah, i think they do. look. his approval rating in russia is above 70% so not like he doesn't have backing. >> like 1919? >> yeah. >> we did that for the cold war. >> hey, wheels come around.

peter, my question is we spend the entire period of the cold war dealing with, in an adversarial way, with the soviet union. not as if the west never had to deal with, you know, a world leader of a great power who was not exactly buddy buddy with everybody. so is this such a huge adjustment for everybody to kind of get their heads around right now? >> you're right. obviously, we did business with the soviets on a number of important issues over the years. i think it's a disappointment for the three american presidents each who tried to find a way to build a different kind of partnership with russia over the years. it's important not what happens in ukraine or europe but what happens in syria, iran, north korea and parts of the world russia can be a friend or a foe, depending on how things play out. we depend on russia right now for a transit route to send

troops to and from afghanistan. we are about to pull out combat forces at the end of the year and good to go through russian air space. there is so many different areas in which the united states and russia have been, you know, working in tandem. sometimes fitfully over the years. if that all falls apart there is a lot of damage -- a lot of wreckage on the floor. >> peter, real quick. there was a period of time right after this crimea thing started where the white house and people around it were suggesting essentially, look. let's not overblow this -- the significance of this. vladimir putin is effectively a regional thud and not that russia is no longer a great power. is that still the view in the white house or do they regard russia as being on a power with, say, china? >> it doesn't have china's economic vitality. it doesn't have the power it once had. but it could still be a very

disruptive player in the international world. it's not the same thing as the cold war. this is not a global ideology struggle. putin is not about a form of government other than sort of putinism himself and national central authority autocratic kind of system so he not competing for idea logical favor. there is still a very important and very potentially disruptive player in the international scene there. the largest energy supplier in the world if you add up oil and natural gas. >> and -- >> russians do? >> they got the bomb. yeah, they do. like about 10,000 of them or so. >> really? >> yeah. >> holy cow. >> we will be talking about the energy angle a little more in-depth in the show. peter, thank you. >> we need to look into that. peter, thank you for being with

us. does my cat look like a cat or does my cat look like a ferret? >> i think it's a great looking cat. i don't understand the problem here. >> he is sucking up. >> anybody who knows peter baker knows he doesn't suck up. >> i know cats and this one is a little strange. i liked it a little bit and i've trained it a little bit while i've had it. >> wake up in the middle of the night and that cat is right there. >> doesn't happen any more. you're done with that. >> okay, good. coming up on "morning joe," governor rick perry joins us here on set. no, you have to have a sense of control with them. actress vanessa williams is back broadway and she is amazing and in the studio as well. check out our original digital. it would be nice if that were easier to say it. morningjolt.msnbc.com. joe wrote the song and produced the music and that is my car, my

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♪ is there more beautiful cold and snow in the morning? >> did you see the guys jumping off that really tall building we have in new york city? >> base jumpers off one world trade. we have video of that we will show a little bit later on. >> who is here now? >> joining us now for a look the playbook, ceo of politico and he is the ceo. jim vandehei. >> i did the jump yesterday. >> did you really? >> you're very bold on national television. >> willie and i have done the statistics and it's the trig. >> asthma.

>> asthma if you could bump into the building going down so that is scary stuff. did you say we have the video here on "morning joe"? >> i think we do. do we have that? i kind of made that up. i have seen the video elsewhere. >> do we have the video and show it later? or was that willie making that up? >> sure, we will show is later. jim, let's talk about the playbook. it wasn't that long ago president obama was facing criticism that the white house was an all boys club. remember this from last year? >> yes. >> this oval office photo was used as evidence. times are a changing, he report. the three of president obama as top national security adviser are now women and the focus of an exclusively piece on politico. >> all three sat down for us. i think it's a big change perception wise and in reality that photo you had up before that was ten dudes and it was a huge issue at the time because it spoke to what everyone in washington was talking about, that the white house was a boys club. now you have his white house

counsel and home land security adviser are all women and you take about change. >> you knew that from the beginning like the first four years it was a guys club that played basketball time and time again, women all felt excluded there so this is a big change. >> it is a big change. we were talking off set like the reason that the image existed before is partially it was true but partially because of the people you were seeing on tv. axlerod and gibbs and everybody knows it's michelle obama and valerie jarrett who have tremendous power and what the men complain about. >> running the country. >> notice the women. >> history books are written about this in the future with those two women are easily together the power of the white house. >> a woman in the position of valerie jarrett as constant with the president's ear on issues

across the board, which is a real kind of breakthrough. >> the dudes can play basketball and they can go play golf. by the way, we are all being very serious here. people said this quietly about this for some time. but the power of the white house has been michelle obama and valerie jarrett from day one. >> valerie, she -- i don't think the story will be fully told but how much clout she has and how much clout michelle obama and how much resentment about the two of them. there is resentment about valerie jarrett's position. >> we have heard is all along and you know what? it's a bunch of guys that can't deal with the fact that men play basketball and huff and puff and snort and valerie has the president's ear at the end of the day. >> that is also a constant that the person who has the ear of the president, who has that access to the president is always resented it, i think.

>> always. >> let me ask really quickly and then another story we have to go to. is there another parallel other than karen hughes? did she ever come close to having the power with george w. bush that valerie jarrett has with barack obama? >> i think -- when karen was at the peak of her power, she certainly was one of three people who had tremendous power inside that white house. >> but nobody like valerie? >> but valerie jarrett, not only has the position of being a top tieser, she is a close longtime trusted friend. the obama's like the bush's and very value that. it's the way it works. >> real quick before we go. we were talking about the first lady. this new piece. how the east wing shrank michelle obama. what are they talking about here? >> written by a lower level press aide who is a good writer. it piece talks about what few in washington have written and talks about what a tough place

it is to work and he describes it as a miserable job working for michelle obama. he describes her as being exceptionally controlling and almost impossible to please and running a staff that has lots and lots of conflict. i think the piece is going to come under tongues of scrutiny for the reason most pieces like this do. it's in anonymous sources and i think the white house is going to push back ferociously against it because it goes contrary to the image she wants for herself. >> it's interesting. i think -- i haven't read the piece, but the michelle obama criticism, it seems to me, the kind of criticism, if i say, a man wouldn't get. >> i was going to say. >> woman who is decisive -- >> controlling? >> who is demanding. perhaps. >> and -- >> no, a guy wouldn't get that. a guy would not get that. he's a strong leader. he's a force.

he knows exactly what he wants. he is focused, blah, blah, blah. but if it's a woman, oh, watch out! >> i also think that the reason why valerie, one of the many reasons why valerie has the president's ear and this is only my opinion from knowing her as a friend, and she talks to him first thing in the morning she's in there and she is working later than everybody else, is that she's a really good person and he likes to surround himself with people who have a conscience and will bring to the fore issues that perhaps don't get center stage pertaining to women and others and have significance at some point and i think her time will come. >> all right. >> jim vandehei, thanks and good luck with the base jumping today. >> i have a side gig. coming up what the best decade of pop music from frank sinatra to bob dylan and jay-z?

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♪ they will stone you while you're trying to be so good ♪ >> bob dylan was superb, full of voice and shouted the songs of a

decade. ♪ >> that is bob dylan, long island, 1974. as we told you yesterday, he is one of ailment artists to be on the cover of "the new york" magazine. a hundred songs, a hundred nights. john heilemann is here to talk a little bit about the '40s and '50s and '60s and '70s yesterday so let's dive into the '80s. you have to talk about ma donna and public enemy and beastie boys and sonic youth and a different kind of music in new york. >> three big genres of music. you talk about hip-hop and we go

back to the '70s describing how graham learned to manipulate records on a turn table and find out where the beats were. spike lee telling about how he got chuck dee to fight the power, do the right thing. the beastie boys. all of those great hip-hop bands. you have the dance genre and madonna who describe dance culture across the decades and starting with sonic youth and back in the '80s all the way up through the brooklyn sea now and other bands that have dominated the indy world. again, three massive movements of music spring up here in new york city. >> you talk about the origins of hip-hop. d.j. cool herk in there starting in his basement, 1520 sedgwick avenue in the bronx. a lot of people say hip-hop was

born in that room. and then jay-z and puffy & biggie and j. lo coming out during that time and mary j. blige but jay-z took things to an entirely different level. >> the rap becoming industry work and cool and hip-hop street culture was in a way made to appeal as much to white audience and to black audience. you trace that back to run dmz and the beastie boys but jay is the king of that. the cover that we have, one of the covers that we have of him such an amazing cover. it is him not as mogul. it's a picture of him in almost state of innocence kind of as a young kid at the very beginning. it's almost shocking to see it. >> gene? >> in terms of flow, though, was biggie the best ever? >> a lot of people thought he was the best for sure in hip-hop. when he first burst on the scene

in rap circles respect for his presentation and lyrics and huge loss and came to when he got killed with tupac and part of a huge story music the rivalry between the west coast and east coast rap scenes. >> we have to close it by talking about brooklyn today. there are scenes, london, 1964, you could say l.a., you know, '67, '68, seattle, '91. athens, g.a., forget it, late '70s. brooklyn, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, it is the center of the music world as far as all music goes and there is not a close second. >> i live in brooklyn as you know. it's, you know, there's two great risks in brooklyn. one is getting run over by someone on a fixed gear bike and the other is getting stampeded by some band that is just forming or playing down at the

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how do people in new hampshire, how did they react to him? >> not the way i'm seeing on tv. i don't know how many folks you talked to, but scott brown seems to be the hot ticket in washington. >> right. >> in new york city. >> but when you get to new hampshire, we sat and talked to several of the state party leaders there, they were like, ew. >> really? >> oh, yeah. >> you found ambivalence up there, huh? it was ranging from ambivalence to a couple of people who just said, the guy is not from new hampshire. another one said he is wrong on guns. >> isn't that what we hear all the time about new hampshire, you got to know the state and you've got to knock on doors. it is door-to-door, hand-to-hand political combat. it would seem that new hampshire is one of the last states you would expect somebody to be accused of, quote, carpet bagging. >> he is not carpet bagging very far. >> by the way, he has had a house there a long time.

i'm just saying if you're running against him that is the argument, right? >> who else are you going to run? we talked to bob smith, a couple of people that run to run for the seat on the gop side. but he draws all the money. >> so what do you sense among the base going into 2014? does this feel like 2010 leading up to a big republican victory? does it feel more like 2012? when you were up in new hampshire and the people you were talking to, what about the energy level? i've heard some people on the left say the energy level on the far left is gearing up too. >> it might be. it doesn't feel like 2010, but now that nate silver seems to think we are going to take, you know, what did he say? five or six seats in the senate. if you got nate silver saying it, it might be a pretty good year, but it's a political eternity between now and november. who knows what is going to happen. >> who do you like? who do you like from -- because you watch this every day. >> who do i like for? >> republican potential presidential nomination or back.

>> wow. >> who do you like? >> let's talk specifically jeb. i was down in florida. >> is there anyone? >> a lot of people talking about jeb's operation is starting to gear up in a really serious way. how would jeb bush do in a republican primary? >> amazingly, jeb seems to -- at least with our readers with the hard-core conservatives, jeb seems to have become one of the moderates, the distained moderates. i think he could do well. do i like him? i think he would be a great president but i would be dismaced we will have bush. is there nobody else? >> what is the specific? i knew jeb very well. he was one of the most conservative leaders of a big state i've ever seen in my life. extraordinarily conservative. moderately temperamental but i always talk about -- is there a specific issue that the hard-core base you're talking

about, other than common core, that people criticized jeb for? >> probably it's going to have to be spending. i mean, that's all anybody really talks about at the end of the day. there is discussions about foreign policy and social issues but the duck keeps going up and we keep hearing who is going to hold the line. not to reduce it but to turn it around. >> what is your wife's name? >> george. >> georgie? >> just george. >> i love the gloves she knit me because i am always cold on the set. >> she made those? >> she made those. >> i love them! >> they have no fingers. >> my daughter is going to steal these. >> you could bring a pair of those next time for joe. >> thank you so much, jazz! at least someone in your family likes me.

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." joining us on the set the director of the earth institute of columbia university, economist dr. jeffrey sachs. >> gene is asking a question and willie and we were talking about the logistics of getting out of new york city. why isn't there a train that takes you from jfk into the city in ten minutes or laguardia into the city in seven minutes? the infrastructure is horrific getting in and out of this city. >> the infrastructure was built in 1950 and that was the last time. >> why? >> because we don't build anything in this country any more.

we don't. >> decade ahead of us where we are right now any other place in the world. >> we go to washington. you're always five minutes away from reagan. when you're in boston, you're always ten minutes away because of flninfrastructure they did i the '70s and '80s and '90s. in boston you're ten minutes from the airport from downtown. here, it is absolutely horrendous! i still can't believe run of the richest cities in the world. we land at jfk and you don't even get off that main drive for 20 minutes. i flew in sunday afternoon at 3:30 sunday afternoon and i was in a traffic jam. >> i was in a traffic jam walking from the gate to the car because the airport is so big. you have to walk for 30 minutes. it's ridiculous. >> i can't stand going to the

airport. >> penn station -- >> enough of our gripes. >> you're right there but it's also like -- >> you don't like the six-foot ceilings? >> i don't. >> i feel like i'm in the hobbit movie. >> "alice in wonderland." >> have you seen the old pictures of penn station? >> beautiful, beautiful. >> smart move, new york city. >> oh, my god. >> the city needs another robert moses. >> we do. i will say we have bad infrastructure but at least we have terrible weather. that balances it out. >> oh, wait. >> there are parts of our airports that are being improved on but in terms of transportation, this isn't any. jfk and laguardia, if you land in the right terminal, you go, okay, we are making some progress here. if you land in the wrong terminal, you go, oh, my gosh, it is 1968 in here. >> it's a roll of the dice.

>> i land in a terminal that every time i come back, it is a 30-minute walk from gate to the front door. this is the worst infrastructure in the world as far as airports go in new york. insanity. >> let's get to the news. do you know what i'm talking about? >> yes, i do. >> it was such a great point you made. no one else had it. >> you know why you're smart? >> because you're wearing glasses. >> that's true. >> and those gloves. >> listen, we will get to ukraine with dr. jeffrey sachs in a moment. competing op-eds one written by you and my brother ian. >> go ahead. at least 14 people are confirmed dead in a massive mudslide in washington.

police say many names could be duplicate but with two communities completely wiped out, families are left clinging to hope. i want to know where my husband is. you know, i just need to know. >> john is 32 years in the navy. if someone can survive it, it's him. >> if he any warning at all, we have to think he is somewhere and safe and they just can't >> we are going to stay on this story all day. there are also indications that they should have known that this was, at some point, bound to happen. it's possibly inexplicable why people were allowed to live in

this slide zone. to other news. the g-8 is down to seven now. world leaders gathered in the netherlands yesterday minus representatives from the kremlin. meanwhile, ukraine is rebuilding its worn down military, a force that many members of congress say was allowed to languish for years under president yanukovych. "the wall street journal" says the military has 40,000 military personnel but only 6,000 land troops are combat ready. the senate has finally approved aid for ukraine in a lopsided vote guaranteeing $1 billion in loans and 100 million to foster security and independence. but senator hey reid inflamed many saying the party was at fault for russia's invasion of crimea. >> since this was blocked by some republicans, these important sanctions have not

taken place. russian lawmakers voted to anext crimea and russian forces have taken over in many instances by force, military bases in crimea. it's impossible to know whether events would have unfolded differently if the united states had responded to this russian aggression with this strong unified voice which we did not know. >> b>> when is harry reid going to go home? when he is just going to leave? i mean,, you know, it's not about ideology. chuck schumer would be more effective majority leader. ukraine and the crisis of international law by jeffrey sachs. russia's actions of ukraine

constitute a serious and dangerous violation of international law. in 1994, ukraine agreed to give up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the soviet union in return for a solemn commitment by the united states, united kingdom and russia to protect ukraine's territorial integrity. you say that russia has broken, violated international law like -- are you at all surprised that russia would do this, because we have kind of a pattern of behavior with putin that probably explains this. no? >> well, the point of my article is that this is very serious and it's going to escalate, and i'm quite worried about it. i don't think this is a game of who can humiliate the other or how we show them down or how we

isolate russia. it is more serious. but my point, mika, is also that we have violated international law so much that both sides actually have so weakened any international norms that russia is acting, yes, in real politics, and one could say, well, that's life. i don't think that is life. i think we have agreements -- >> people are acting like it was afait accompli from the very beginning. we had a couple of weeks ago that can't be the case. you have these international agreements and you have international law. at this point, let's stop looking at what vladimir putin has done. we know what he has done. the question is what does the rest of the world do? and do they just sit back and say, crimea was vladimir putin's and russia's any way so let's go ahead and let him have that? we can't do that, can we? because we made an agreement with ukraine and if that was the

reality, if crimea was de facto a russian property, then we should have figured that out before we entered into the agreement with ukraine, right? >> i think the thing that makes this especially dangerous is the links, as i say, with the nuclear issue. there was a guarantee of ukraine's sovereignty in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons. one can't brush this off but i still want to say if we just sit around and tell the american people how evil putin is and he breaks international law and we forget all of the things that the u.s. does, we actually don't understand the global scene properly. if we invade iraq and say we give. if we do many things that are absolutely in violation of international law, when putin does it, we can't say, look, that's the principle of the thing. and this is a problem, because it's easy for us to say how

horrible -- and i do think this is terrible, but if we don't acknowledge the broader framework, sure, we can escalate, we can end up in disaster. we have to reflect on both sides. >> willie? >> so, jeffrey, practically speaking then, what does it look like for the united states and the international community to protect the, quote, the territorial sovereignty. what should have happened that didn't happen? >> i don't think there was any way to stop this from happening in the end. he went in, putin went in on a provocation note. he didn't go in, i think, on a long-term plan to re-take crimea. the government that was friendly to russia was thrown out of power. the u.s. definitely had a role behind the scenes in that and europe definitely had a role behind the scenes in that. putin was caught completely

offguard and he grabbed a response. we were definitely fishing in waters that russia regards as absolutely poor for their security and this is part of the backdrop of this. >> putin, you know, the russian position is that they believe they were guaranteed either with a -- whatever. at the time of the breakup of the soviet union that nato would not advance to russia's borders sen essentially and the west keeps pushing and pushing and they got on our last nerve and we had to take over crimea. that's from the russian point of view. obviously, does not respect the territorial integrity of ukraine and should be condemned by the international community, but i think we should remember, the international community is something that exists when we agree with it, right? when my country agrees with it, then the international community is an important thing. when my country disagrees with

world opinion, there doesn't seem to be an international community and that is from the point of view of any of the great powers and i would certainly classify russia as one of the great powers and even with the economic problems, biggest country in the world and has all of this oil and gas and all of these nuclear weapons and has got this history. so from his point of view right now, there is no international community. >> on the subject of nato, ian brzezinski writes in "the washington post" three ways nato can bolster ukraine security. nato's response to russia's invasion of ukraine has drawn a red line but it is one that leaves ukraine militarily isolated fending for itself. if the west economic and diplomatic sanctions are to deter moscow from further military aggression they must be complimented by a robust defensive strategy to reinforce ukraine's armed forces. these u.s. and alliance actions constitute a red line that

depicts kiev on the outside and on its own. this must be deeply disillusioning for ukrainians who in recent months expressed their desire for freedom and a place in europe and whose forces participated in a nato collective defense exercise as recently as november. this red line can only reassure vladimir putin and his military planners whose use of unmarked military personnel and the plausible deniability they provided in crimea reflected at least initial concern about potential responses from the west. >> what is he saying? that nato protects ukraine? if we do, we will absolutely threaten an incredible blowup. >> so what is worse? that incredible blowup or watching vladimir putin march

russian troops to kiev? >> well, i hope that we have other means to do it, but if we now talk about incorporating ukraine into nato, believe me, we are in such dangerous and unchartered waters you don't want to be there. >> by the way, my father agrees with you. >> yeah. >> ian and my father really should get them on the show together. >> i'll go with your dad. >> the provisual ukrainian government has said we don't want -- >> if you know russia's history and all of the issues of the cold war and all of the issues of the post-cold war, the idea of nato becoming in ukrainian territory is, in my view, unthinkable, unwise, hole proprovocative. >> but us sitting back. >> he lived three years in ukraine and has focused on the issues -- >> take that view. >> encourages vladimir putin

more. i have been, as you know, i have talked about getting out of afghanistan, i've talked about us having a far more realistic foreign policy. but, at the same time, the last thing i would do is say we're taking any option off the table. for any other reason, than to let vladimir putin know we are not going to have a weak response. >> vladimir putin seems to flex his muscles and put troops at the border. >> obviously, we are not going to send troops to ukraine and, obviously, nato is not going to expand in the ukraine but isn't that at least a threat that we need to put out there for putin or not? or do we sit back and just let him dominate the chess board? >> threats are easy and escalation is easy and things can get wildly out of hand. nato and ukraine are not a great mix. >> how do we stop anybody at the table, how do we stop vladimir

putin from going into kiev. >> >> going into kiev? i think we are likely to end up in global disaster if you went into kiev. >> what would happen? >> war. >> so if he goes into kiev, you think -- >> even with or without whatever anybody is writing right now, i think if he were to march into kiev, this would be absolutely -- would be on the precipice of global disaster. >> do you think vladimir putin understands that? >> yes. >> do you think people around him understand that. >> i don't think he is marching into kiev. if he is, i hope we have a quick show because it's going to have to be a quick one. you know, if he does march into kiev, then, of course, the situation is completely different from what we are talking about right now. but the idea that just threat, saber rattling and all of the rest is our best shot right now, i don't buy it. i find this absolutely as

dangerous as can be, the idea that this is just the macho to macho talk over these issues. if you know russian history, if you know the issues of ukraine, if you know russian borders, if you know the concern about nato which goes back to 1950, not to january, you don't want to talk in this way. >> i know russian history. >> yeah. >> it's an ugly history. it's very ugly history. >> it's a history -- it's a history also -- >> 40 million of its own people in the 20th century, i know russian history. >> it's a history of tens of millions of people dying by invasions from the west by hitler and others and they do not want nato on their border and that is a major point and why your father, i guess, also agrees with that point and i don't think that loose provocation is what we are after. i think, right now, the response, in my view, has been serious and what has been said step-by-step is prudent and i

think we ought to behave in that way. >> dr. jeffrey sachs, thank you very much. come back. we will rediscuss the situation. >> what did i tell you? >> i love it. >> i told you. >> we are going to learn so m h much. still ahead, it's wonderful to have you here. >> it's great to have you here. >> i'm not sure what is going on with him. >> gene teltexas governor rick d actress vanessa williams. not coming together but separately. >> they have this great duet. you should see it. >> chuck todd breaks down president obama's trip to europe. coming up on "morning joe." we asked people a question,

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netherlands, nbc chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd and thomas roberts is at the table in new york city. chuck todd doing tough time in amsterdam. way to go there, chuck. what is going on, man? what is going on with the was g-8 and now g-7? let's show the picture of, if you guys have the new g-7 leaders up, that we have been showing all morning. what is going on over there? were any selfies taken of the president and certain leaders of european nation? >> i'm going to try a lame joke here. first of all, i know, joe, you love the delay so at some point we will try to talk over each other because that is what we do for old time's sake when i'm overseas. >> yes, exactly. >> i want to make the -- i should have had a g-8 but they are all going to tomato juice now. is that bad? only barnicle actually

understands that joke! only barnicle understands that joke because he needs tomato juice to get him going, a v-8. >> you're supposed to hit your forehead, you should have had a v-8! >> put me out of my misery! >> he just can't do that with a delay. he can't do that. what is going over there, chuck? go. >> i'm going to clean out my purse. >> look. the president got the minimum that he wanted to get out of the first day of his trip which is he got unanimity of kicking russian out and unanimity from the rest of the g-7 to have tougher sanctions against russia if russia moves farther into ukraine, if they go into southern ukraine, if they go into eastern ukraine. what is ambiguous about what happened yesterday is there basically is no new punishments

coming to russia if the status quo remains, if they keep crimea, even though nobody is going to recognize it outside of russia, but if they keep crimea, don't move into any other parts of ukraine. they are not going to be let back into the gech-8 but not an more new sanctions but that gets to the issue the president has been struggling with in trying to have a unified response to putin which is the europeans are very hesitant to go big on economic sanctions against russia, sector type sanctions where you start sanctioning companies in the energy sector and in the arms sector and banking sector in russia because the economies are so intertwined. i would say he got the minimum of what he wanted. unanimity and kicking russia out a symbolic gesture and promises to do a lot more if russia keeps moving in but no new punishments if the status quo remains. >> chuck, does it mean -- as we see there the president is sitting next to angel merkel of

germany, isn't she the biggest linchpin to trying to helm vladimir putin in an international direction that is more palatable because of the fact that germany is such a client state to rusch? -- russia? >> she is and she has the best personal relationship of that g-7 remaining between those leaders and she would have to -- look. if she is okay with doing new sanctions, the rest of the european union is going to go. germany has the dominant economy in the european union and so that is why she is such a linchpin. it does seem as if the more putin sort of dismisses, brushes her off, she is getting her own backup and that is helping the president unify europe. look. tomorrow, he goes to brussels with a meeting with the entire european union and you should expect to see more talk on this front, but it still goes back to what you pointed out, thomas, it

still goes back to merkel and she does seem willing to at least have the gill a tin wabov putin's head. we will sanction major parts of your economy. >> wow. >> i could have had a g-8. >> that joke is, you know, it's so lame, it's good. >> no. >> obviously, chuck has been, you know, going around -- >> i want to cry. >> we don't get sleep out here. >> is he going to the bars? >> i got a dan snyder letter. hey, joe, the dan snyder letter, what did you think of that? >> i missed it. fill us in from amsterdam. >> you need to read the whole thing. you just need to read the whole thing. defense of the redskins name and what he is going to do now.

it's a doozie. >> foundation to help the native americans. >> good lord. i will go on google and read about it. chuck todd, thank you very much. live from amsterdam. >> the twilight zone. >> that was great. >> my favorite amsterdam cafe. >> he looks relaxed. >> one of the things about amsterdam, releases a lot of stress. >> great place to be. >> not to be scold. did you think i was doing that? >> not at all. no. ." thank you for coming to arianna's book party yesterday. thank you all. it was so nice. pictures will be coming up. yesterday, we showed you behind the scenes of "morning joe" with our original digital. now it's your turn. tell us about your morning jolt. you can tweet us, use facebook or vine us with your routines. keep them clean! and check out the full video at

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all right. we had so much fun last night. >> it was incredible. >> at the rattner's amazing apartment. thank you so much. >> 28 football fields. >> ar anianna huffington has a book out. a lot of us are running from one thing to another. that is cindy levy the editor in chief with "glam oour" magazine and diane sawyer. >> did chef some things important to say to you? >> she said you are a beautiful darling. she was radiant last night, by the way. >> the book is incredible.

a guy book on life. the title is "thrive." you should buy. . we have a conference coming up in new york city april 24th and 25th. let me just tell you the conversations are going to be off the hook. we are going to be in bed on stage at times and there is going to be three massive two ton sculptures on stage that are just going to be stung. just ask ari. >> in bed on stage? >> women in bed on stage. >> surrounded by sculptures? >> there are three two-ton sculptures. they are entitled le mint and made with a chain saw and ax by my mother who is going to be speaking as well. >> conversation is in bed. >> pillow talk. >> snapped all over. >> we are going to talk about sleep and other things that women talk about in bed together. >> oh, dear god. >> gene, are you okay? >> no, no, no, i'm not okay. >> my best friend and i, we get in bed. we have sleepovers and we talk

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♪ look at this. this is amazing. >> i love this series. >> a great series. >> with the senate up for grabs we are back on the campaign trail. >> stickers on it which means she's been to a lot. >> you'll end up on read it again. >> who? >> you are. >> sorry. our series states of play. we continue now. nbc political reporter kasie hunt joins us more with washington. take it away. >> good morning. thad cochran safe in his mississippi seat for decade and why he is vulnerable now. this time, the threat is from the right. ♪ >> reporter: --

>> been this 42 years total in washington, d.c. and we understand the change sometimes is necessary. >> reporter: this is the tea pa party's best chance. chris mcdaniels. >> many feel like strangers in this land. a new america rise to go take its place. we recoil from that. >> reporter: he is challenging 76-year-old thad cochran who arrived in congress the year america pulled out of vietnam. >> i never, in a million years, thought i would challenge senator cochran. he has been there as long as i've been alive. when he went to washington in 1973 the debt was only about 400 billion. did you know that? we stare today 42 years later and give or take it's $17.3 trillion. >> reporter: do you think senator cochran is ready for a campaign like this? >> i don't know. i hope so.

i pray good health on him. >> reporter: cochran says he is doing just fine. >> i feel very good. i'm doing a good job, i think, of carrying out my responsibilities as a senator. >> reporter: this is one of the poorest states in the nation where 1 in 4 say they have trouble affording food and nearly half of the state's money comes from the federal government, more than any other state. do you think the state still appreciates the work you do considering the tea party and their opposition to federal spending? >> no. i think they very grateful for the federal dollars that have been spent in mississippi. >> reporter: earmarks were banned in 2010. that same year, cochran steered so much money back home, they nominated him as porker of the year. do you think the earmark process, the end of the earmark process has ultimately hurt relationships in the senate? >> no, it's not over. we are up here in washington to make recommendations on how federal dollars are to be spent and, you know, if you really want to boil it down, that's

what an earmark is. people are calling it that. so the process hasn't been changed. >> reporter: senator cochran hasn't faced a serious re-election fight in three decades. for now, he's keeping up his official schedule, breaking ground at a new development in starkville and christening a new combat ship in neighboring alabama. cochran's team criticizes mcdaniel for waffling on whether he would have voted for federal aid after katrina devastated mississippi. >> the question was not whether i could back it or not. i said during the interview i would support disaster relief. it's the funding has to reach the intended beneficiaries. >> reporter: and cochran's campaign says mcdaniel is relying on money from groups outside mississippi. the club for growth opposed a bill to slash flood insurance premiums. can you identify any areas where you disagree with the club for growth? >> i can probably identify 20

areas i disagree with my wife. but, no, i can't think of any group -- i can't imagine. >> reporter: yet you don't have any specific examples of ways in which you don't -- >> i mean, there is probably a lot. >> reporter: and some republicans fear mcdaniel's rise has given democrats a potential opening in the reddest of red states. >> the last thing we want to do is election night, have a big screw-up here and we, obviously, have seen what has happened in other states over the last few years and we are determined not to let that happen here. >> reporter: democrats believe that former congressman travis childers would have a strong chance against mcdaniel than against docochran. barbour family is raising alarm and say that could happen here. >> that was great. charlie cook is the editor of "the cook political report." charlie, this hasn't been, the

tea party's best year for knocking off republicans, established republicans in d.c. but this really might be their one shot of tag down and old giant, huh? >> i agree. if an incumbent senator loses a primer, this is it. her piece was great, parse of this is tea party versus brick ho -- bringing home the bacon. part of it is age. some 76-year-olds are great on the stump and some stumble along the way and been in washington too long. chris mcdaniel was 6 months old when he was in washington. both mississippi senators are from the northernmost part of the state. in fact, actually both roger wicker and thad cochran are from

a little town called ponatalk which is 2,500 families and 6,000 people and both of their senators are from there. the southern part of the state where mcdaniel is from feels a little misrepresented and jackson really sort of doesn't. panatalk is where jim weatherly who used to be a quarterback for ole miss was from, joe. he wrote a bunch of songs for gladys knight, including "midnight train to georgia. >> so he and both senators are from ponatalk. >> i have no idea. charlie, what do you think about the state of mississippi? i lived in mississippi five years. it's sort of like south carolina as far as a republican party is there. they are sort of a establishment e more of an establishment southern party. this is just a gut feeling based on knowing mississippi, they seem a lot less likely to throw

out somebody like thad cochran than maybe some of these other states that have done it in the past. what is your feeling about mississippi republican party? >> mississippi has benefited, as kasie pointed out, more than any other state. whether it was the old days with jamie wh jamie witten and all the way through. at the same time, boy, the republican party is changing. i agreed this would not be the first state that would throw out or bring home the bacon but, you know, this is a weird thing and there are a lot of weird dynamics here. >> charlie, thanks for joining us. coming up next, vanessa williams is bringing back the golden age of harlem with a new

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>> we did like -- i think we've done four of the co-hosting gigs next to him for the "today" show. >> and he's your lover. >> he's my lover. >> we got that. that's on tape. let's get that, "entertainment tonight." >> you're my lover. >> but has he been in your bathroom? >> no, he has not. >> snap. >> that's a different zone of privacy. >> let's talk about "after midnight." >> i start next week. >> do you love it? >> nothing better than duke ellington's music and these dancers and singers. get a chance to sing ♪ don't know why there's no sun up in the sky stormy weather ♪ . i'm doing that, the old cab calloway song. >> we have to go. >> i can't give you anything but love. it's phenomenal. those are just my songs. >> do some zasu za. ♪ zasu za zu zazu za

>> we're so going. >> it's spectacular. >> not a bad combination. >> it's his band. you see the band on stage. >> unbelievable. >> you hear the brass and see the tap dancing. it's spectacular. >> as a working woman, i thought -- this is going to be really early. you must be tired. and, you know what? you probably get a rush out of this every day. i could imagine this being a blast on stage with that cast. >> i can't wait. we're just out of rehearsals. can't wait to jump into it. it's phenomenal. >> we're coming. >> good, good, good. >> thomas? >> do you think that doing something like this is more your whe wheelhouse or more serial tv? >> looked like a wheelhouse to me. >> musical theater, theater was my background. i danced my whole life. my parents are music teachers. i sang. i acted. this is my element.

absolutel absolutely. >> some eloquent songs you do, that are done in the show. >> no, no, no. i do zasu za, stormy weather. >> we have to go "after midnight" is amazing. another side project. >> yeah. >> my son. >> okay. >> really important. >> today is alert day and splenda has asked me to start off their campaign 365 sweet swap. take what their added sugar is and swap it with splenda. anyone who tweets sweet swap and shows a picture of what they've done or also puts the hash tag, they're going to donate money to the american diabetes. >> what's the hash tag again? >> sweet swap. >> sweet swap. >> i can even remember that. >> $25,000. the goal is to get to 50.

please, please go. >> let's get to 100. >> and after midnight. sweet swap. let's do it. >> you can see ideas of how you can actually replace your added sugar with some ideas with splenda. >> so i've got a tweet, type i diabetes. there's been this prochls a cure for years and years. we keep getting closer and then we take a couple of steps back. this is just so absolutely critically important, what you're talking about, in getting the money. >> absolutely. >> and the alert today. >> thank you so, so much. >> she's a mother of faur! >> i know. she's amazing. >> how can she do it all? >> i don't know. i don't even know how i get to a tease. visit "after midnight" broadway.com. >> say hi to your lover.

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tomorrow. we're not really happy about it. eugene robinson and john heilemann. the slope of a deadly mud slide is so immense, it takes a helicopter to get a handle on how much destruction is really there. at least 14 people were killed when the ground gave way late saturday morning. today, there is real concern that number could jump with reports of 176 people still missing. >> 176? >> that number could change a lot. many of the names may be duplicates. they're doing a lot of word of mouth. they're trying to figure out who the victims are in the scope of this disaster. so many families are bracing for the worst. nbc's miguel almaguer got a firsthand look. >> reporter: one square mile of debris, 500 football fields worth of destruction. it just goes on and on. we believe this still -- the street, the community that took

the brunt of the damage, this is the area where first responders heard cries for help for 12 hours. they just couldn't reach everybody. this isn't the first time this mountain has given way. eight years ago, it buckled in the exact same place, just not to this scale. folks who lived here never thought they would see something like this. >> as these photos show, the area today is completely unrecognizable from before the weekend slide. the national guard is expected to arrive later today to help in the search. as one local fire official said, the situation is very grim. there are concerns this could have been prevented. we don't know why these people were living here, given information that bill karins has. weather conditions are being blamed for triggering the disaster and more rain could impact the search efforts? >> the more i read about this, the more questions that have to be answered. emergency manager at a news conference monday went ahead and

said no one knew this was going to happen. everyone thought the hill was safe. as we dig back through records we're finding out that people have been saying this could collapse for the last 60 years. in 1999, the army corps of engineers went out to look at this hill and said this is a catastrophe waiting to happen and they had no clue why people were allowed to live there or why people were given building permits to increase the population. those answers will come in the weeks ahead. as for the search and rescue that's ongoing, 7 1/2 to 8" of rain in this region over the month of march. it's been a very wet month, obviously contributing to the slide. it's pouring again this morning in this region. it looks like in the next five days, another inch or two. it's not going to help things. uh-you look at those before and after pictures, a river runs at the base of that mountain, undercut the mountain and help ed with the slide. they have a river going through

the middle of the mudslide as they're trying to rescue these people they say it's like quicksand. extremely difficult. >> that's extremely devastating for the people who live there. let's say on this and make sure they get the answers they need. bill, thank you. we'll be getting your national forecast in just a little while. now to the search of flight 370, which has already ended for the day, after crews were forced to suspend flights because of poor weather and rough seas. the location of the missing flight is still unknown, but the search is focused on the southern indian ocean. after several satellite images spotted objects. according to malaysian officials we now definitively know that flight 370 is no longer a search and rescue. >> based on the new analysis, aaip have concluded that mh 370 flew along the southern corridor

and that its last position was in the middle of the indian ocean west of perth. it is, therefore, with deep sadness and regret that i must inform you that according to this new data, flight mh 370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> malaysia's prime minister says the data is conclusive, based off analysis from experts who visited data from the satellite pings when combined with the last known speed and altitude of the malaysian flight. officials say there is no doubt that the plane is somewhere in the indian ocean. the impact on the families was devastating, to say the least.

several chinese families accused the ma lalaysians of murder whi others struggled to cope with it. malaysian officials have come under fire with how they shared information with the families. yesterday the families of the 239 missing passengers and crew members were told in a number of different ways. some on the phone, some in private face-to-face meetings and then there were some people they could not find face-to-face or by phone so they were reportedly told by text message. i think the contention was that they had to get all the information out at the same time and text messaging had to be used in some cases. this morning, dozens of angry relatives clashed with police outside of the malaysian embassy in beijing. crews are now working to locate debris from the plane and bring closure for the families. australian officials spoke about the search earlier this morning. >> let's be clear. to this point in time, we have not successfully identified and

recovered any debris from the aircraft in question. this is a mystery and until we recover and positively identify a piece of debris, everything is virtually speculation. >> if i could put the analogy of what we got out there, we're not searching for a needle in the haystack. we're still trying to define where the haystack is, to put it in context. >> when this story broke, we were talking about the pings, which the scope was so massive. >> yes. >> yesterday a british company came out with their conclusions that show for the first time they could figure out and trace those pings to the south indian ocean, where there is absolutely no hope of survival, if their analysis is correct. certainly, everybody is taking their analysis as the gospel. >> yeah. it took two and a half weeks but they finally synthesized everything they had. let's visit with michael

goldfaar. thanks for being with us this morning. >> good morning. >> based on information we heard yesterday from the prime minister there, help us flush out a little bit of what joe started to plain. why do we know now 2 1/2 weeks later what we didn't know even a week ago? >> from some very smart people with degrees in trigonometry that triangulated the data and did something called the doppler effect which simply measured the data coming from that plane leaving the satellite. this story gets stranger and stranger. you have to question malaysian's prime minister going on air prior to having one piece of debris, one piece of forensic evidence of where that crash was and doing it supposedly to get closure to the families. one woman was text messaged,

didn't read english and thought it was good news. information changing almost daily on what happened to this aircraft. speculation du jour. now we're left with bad seas, bad weather and very slim hope of getting that haystack, before we can even go with the needle to look for those black boxes. >> based on what you know now as of this morning, are you satisfied with that explanation that it went down in a remote rooegs region of the indian ocean? do you believe there's more to this story at this point? >> i'm not sure there's more in terms of the notions that it went north or elsewhere. given the ntsb's plane of running for five or six hours after perhaps it was on autopilot, that's probably the area where the plane went down. that part is clear. but let's look at -- we have no idea at this point as to what the cause was. we went through a notion of terrorism, hijacking. nothing to bear that out yet.

could it have been something catastrophic? probably could have been something like that. there have been some warnings to boeing on the 777 about potential catastrophic loss of their hull and those warnings came in the form -- giving malaysia air time to make that change and repair. we have no idea if that's happened. we have no idea what the maintenance records of that aircraft are. >> what was the specific warning on the boeing? >> the warning was some cracks, joe, in the fuselage near the antenna. warnings sound awful but it's like a car recall. if you read the warning you probably wouldn't fly. it says could lead to catastrophic decompression of the air frame. >> right. >> but it tells -- but within the airline industry it just says get that checked. so that has to be looked at. >> right now if we're talking about going in the direction we're talking about going and this plane just -- early on people said there must have been a fire. there's no way it could have gone on five or six more hours if there had been a fire. somebody still had to turn off those transponders, which didn't

make a lot of sense. even if you get past all of that, these warnings about cracks could possibly lead to what we were talking about a payne stewart type tragedy where you have massive decompression inside the plane, correct? >> correct. remember in the late 1980s, basically disintegrated half its hull in flight, managed to land and that led to checking for corrosion on planes that fly oversea where the fuselage can develop these cracks. there could be a slowly evolving decompression. there could have been a small fire that knocked out the transponders, the acars. one important point that's ha hampering this is air malaysia decided not to buy the app that came with the airplane. we're not talking rustproofing here. we're talking about a data app that would have provided a flow

of information, especially in that first segment of flight, back to malaysia air. it was $10 a flight, $100 an airplane. the feeling was the plane is a safe plane and we don't need it. that has to change everywhere. everyone needs to have the data that's required. we wouldn't be sitting here two and a half weeks later. we would be much closer to at least understanding where that plane was and perhaps why it crashed. >> that's an interesting point i hadn't heard. do most other planes have that app? >> yes. 777 2002, so much avionics, so much technology. wi-fi system and talking to the airlines has better navigation capability than the pilot does to air traffic control. we haven't provide what we're going to provide and make this game-changing type of event and every plane will be able to communicate and have those technologies. unfortunately in this case we weren't just there yet. >> michael goldfarb, good information. appreciate it.

the g-8 is officially down to seven. big news that broke yesterday late in the day. gathered in the netherlands to talk strategy on the deepening crisis with russia minus representatives from the kremlin. ukraine is rebuilding its worn-down military, a force that many members of congress say was allowed to languish for years under president yanukovych. 30,000 military personnel but only 6,000 land troops are combat ready. the senate has approved aid for ukraine in a lopsided vote $100 million designed to foster security and independence. as we mentioned, joining us now from washington, white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter faber who writes in "the new york times," in part, this. for 15 years, vladimir putin has confounded american presidents as they've tried to figure him out, only to misjudge him time and again. he has defied their assumptions and rebuffed their efforts at

friendship. he has argued with them, lectured them, misled them, accused them, kept them waiting, kept them guessing, betrayed them and felt betrayed by them to the extent that there were any illusions left in washington -- and it is hard to imagine there were -- by this point, they were finally and irrevocably shattered by mr. putin's takeover of crimea and the exchange of sanctions that has followed. as russian forces now mass on the ukrainian border, the debate has now shift friday how to work with mr. putin to how to counter him. many people would contend, joe, that's where we should have been in the first place. he is messing with us, has been every step of the way. i completely disagree with the sochi olympics being there. it just was -- it was kind of hard to watch. >> the world cup will be there, too. >> why? >> you know, peter -- >> move it. >> so many people in the west after the cold war were hoping to forge a closer alliance with

the russians. it's not like we were doing it for our -- for their own good, because we felt sorry for them. obviously, a lot of russian money in london, a lot of russian money in berlin. a lot of russian money across the west. we're dealing with a man unlike any world leader we've had to deal with in some time at this level. and you don't even need bill o'reilly's body language expert to see whenever he met barack obama, he would be slumped in his chair. like no other world leader i've ever seen, showing absolute contempt. not just for barack obama, but for west and how do we handle him now? you talk about george w. bush. you talk about -- none of the presidents have actually been able to handle this guy. what's next for the united states, the west and vladimir putin? >> i think there will be a period of prolonged hostility. and alienation. vladimir putin has grievances.

he can point to all these different things that he feels like the west has failed him. >> are there legitimate grievances there? >> he feels the expansion of nato was essentially an anti-russian move on the part of the west. >> there's that body language. >> oh, my lord. >> him slumping. go ahead. >> he felt that was an anti-russian move, in effect. arguably, it was. a hedge against the idea that russia would ever come back and do exactly what it's doing now. there's a real disconnect between the american and western europe view of the world and eastern europe view of the world and the moscow view of the world that vladimir putin represents. until people understand what that disconnect is really all about, it's really hard for any american leader to do business with. coming up on "morning joe," we'll check in with politico's

jim vander heim. some people think we should give him another look. i think we should give him another interview. >> i love rick perry. >> we don't have to make out with him on the set. we are actually going to ask him some questions and rick can handle it. >> are you suggesting maybe i'm too nice to him? >> your last interview with him was embarrassing. >> we were talking about economic development. >> seriously? >> i know you hate bringing good-paying jobs to america. >> he treated rick perry the way that peter baker treated -- >> you know, i've always been so nice to rick perry. >> yeah, right. >> exactly. >> maybe it's payback time. >> his interview with rick perry was like al and tipper's kiss on stage. >> ouch. >> with that imagine. >> hubba hubba. >> thanks for that image.

what a march it's been. radar with the snow and behind me you can see the white house, the capital building. the snow is coming down. so far it's not sticking too much to the roads, but to the grass and the sidewalks and also your vehicles and overpasses. that's where we will get one to three inches during the day today. 33 degrees in d.c. hopefully, the highways will stay all right. how does this storm materialize? this will actually be one of the more powerful storms we've seen since hurricane sandy a year and a half ago. the center of it will be located right there. there will be snow. over the oceans, areas to get clipped with the snow, delmarva, dover, delaware. cape cod and down east maine. how much snow are we talking? enough to shovel tonight and tomorrow in maine and also cape cod. minor trouble problems especially after the sun sets delaware, maryland and around the d.c. baltimore area.

hardly anything in -- d.c., baltimore, one to three. those pictures continue to be just amazing. the mountain collapsed in the pacific northwest. they had about seven inches of rain this month. it's raining again today. more rain in the forecast over the next five days. that search and rescue is being hampered by all the wet conditions. it's like quicksand. i feel really bad for the people going through that horrible tragedy. snow right through the day in washington, d.c. one to three inches by tonight. you're watching "morning joe." [ male announcer ] staples has everything you need to keep a germ-free office.

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capital of new york, ceo. jim, let's talk about the playbook, all right? not that long ago, president obama was facing criticism that the white house was an outline boys club, remember this? this oval office photo was used as evidence. times are a changing, you report. three of president obama's top national security advisers are now women. that's the focus of an exclusive piece on politico. tell us about it. >> all three sat down for an intervi interview. it's a change both perception wise and in reality. that photo you had up before, it was ten dudes and it was a huge issue at the time because it spoke to what everyone was talking about that the white house was a boys club. homeland security adviser, national security adviser all

women. the whole makeup of the white house has changed. the meetings are different. >> you heard that from the beginning, though, didn't you? first four years it was a guys club, felt basketball all the time. women felt excluded there. it is a big change. >> it is. the reason that the image existed before pas, partially, was true. but axelrod and plouffe, gibbs. they were all men. michelle obama and valerie jarrett have tremendous power. that's what all the men always complain about. >> when you're talking about running the country -- >> and, again, those two women easily together the power of the white house. >> in the position of valerie jarrett to the president, with the president's ear on issues across the board.

i mean, it's a real kind of -- >> the dusd can go play basketball. by the way, we're all being very serious here. people have quietly said this about the white house but the power of the white house has been michelle obama and valerie jarrett from day one. >> you know valerie well. one of the problems is that she internally -- that is the story that i don't think has been fully told and will be told once this white house is over, how much clout she has, how much clout michelle obama has and how much resentment there is about the two of them. there's tremendous resentment about valerie jarrett's position. >> we've heard it all along. and, you know what? it's a bunch of guys who can't deal with it. they play basketball and huff and puff and snort and valerie has the president's ear at the end of the day. >> the person who has the ear of the president, who has that access to the president is always resented, i think. >> always.

>> so, really quickly, and then another story we want to go to. is there another parallel other than maybe karen hughes? did karen hughes ever come close to having the power to george w. bush that valerie jarrett has with barack obama? >> i think when karen was at the peak of her power, she certainly was one of three people who had tremendous power inside that white house. >> but nobody like valerie? >> valerie jarrett has not only the position of being a top adviser, she's a close long-time friend. the obamas, like the bushes, value that. it's tough to get in washington. it's immeasurably higher than people who are coming in as trained professionals. that's just the way it works. >> the first lady, how the east wing slank michelle obama. >> written by a former low-level press aide. the spees speaks to one of the other things people talk about in washington, what a tough place it is to work. he describes it as a miserable

job working for michelle obama, being exceptionally controlling. almost impossible to please and running a staff that has lots and lots of conflict. i think the piece will come under tons of scrutiny for the reason that most pieces like this do. it's in the new republic and all anonymous sources. the white house will push back ferociously because it's contrary to the image she wants for herself and some would say it's contrary to reality. >> i haven't read the piece. the michelle obama criticism seems to me the kind of criticism, if i may, a man wouldn't get. >> i was going to say, a woman who is decisive. >> controlling. >> demanding. >> demanding, perhaps. >> a guy would not get that. he's a strong leader. he's forceful, knows exactly what he wants.

he's focused. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. if it's a woman, watch out. >> the reason that valerie, one of the many reasons why valerie has the president's ear -- this is only my opinion from knowing her as a friend -- and she talks to him first thing in the morning, she's in there and she's working later than everybody else, is that she's a really good person and he likes to surround himself with people who have a conscience and will bring to the fore issues that do not get center stage and will have historic significance at some point. her time will come. >> thanks, jim. coming up next, red states are the driving force of our economy, rick perry is here with his blueprint for america's future. we'll talk to governor perry next on "morning joe."

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when you were a kid, your mother made your underwear. >> you did do some research. >> yeah. >> you know, if you want to find out everything -- i mean, like everything about yourself, some of which is even true, run for president. >> yeah, you will. are you going to run for president again? obviously, maybe this is not the

place you want to announce. >> probably not the place. this is not the crowd that i want to make this announcement. >> why would you run for president? i mean, it didn't go that great last time. >> you know, america is a great place for second chances. >> yeah. yeah. okay. >> let's just leave it at that. >> we'll leave it at that. >> how great is he? >> no, i've heard this. >> okay. what did you hear? >> i heard that rick perry is really charming. >> he's charming. you heard it from me. >> yes, i did. i heard it from a few other people, too, besides you. you were actually the only person who exists in the world. >> good. >> i would add, the governor and i were chatting in the green room. he's very charming. >> kicked it on jimmy kimmel, baby. with us now, former presidential candidate governor rick perry. you were talking about a trip to the motherland. >> yeah. >> or fatherland, poland.

>> working on a trip to poland to talk about some import/export, eco divo opportunities. >> isn't it fascinating there? isn't it colorful? >> yes. one of my senior staff who has been there twois in the last six months. there's a lot going on in poland. obviously, with the -- what's going on in the crimea, our polish friends are a little nervous and want to make sure that folks in the united states are paying attention to them. >> right. >> which we are. i will say that in texas. but on the baltic, the opportunity to have lng imported into that part of the world, i think, would make a huge difference from the standpoint of leveraging mr. putin. >> i love it. >> to the standpoint of the energy side of it. texas has got three plants that will be up and online here hopefully. and some of the first ones in america to export liquefied

natural gas. lng, we need to be using it, using it wisely to support our friends. >> leverage. >> i think it's fascinating he went to poland, and you said twice. poland is the economy that's actually working. and it's wonderful to have watched the transformation over the past 20, 30 years of what's happened there. >> it really is. >> it's textbook. >> the minister, matter of fact, his wife -- i think her grandfather is from texas. we had a little bit of that texas connection. >> through go. >> and speak about charming, very, very charming gentleman. >> we talk bfd about the energy revolution that's been going on. it's amazing how quick world events changed. we talked before, we talked about what it meant for us immensely. >> as we go forward. >> it can mean an awful lot. just as you said, now suddenly there are geopolitical ramifications and suddenly -- somebody said on the show last

week russia is a little more than a gas station. if that's the case, we have an ability to offset putin's battle. >> substantially. when you look at the broader picture, which is canada, united states and mexico, mexico is going to be a major player in the energy industry over the course of the next decade. people -- you talk about an emerging market, mexico is going to be a major player. it's going to be very good for the north american region to have those three countries. >> put it in perspective. north america. talking about how big our footprint is going to be. we're going to be the number one producer of oil by 2020. add mexico, add canada. put this in perspective for people who wine about the united states being in decline because it's just not the case. >> the jobs that can be created across this country, across this region. what does this really mean?

it may mean that a new monroe doctrine is time to be discussed for the western hemisphere. the power that can come. the leverage that this region can have when it is that sufficient in energy production, the economic wealth. manufacturing will come back onshore because of the lowering of the energy cost. the fascinating opportunities are going to be happening in this country. i hope the president understands the power of what he has at hand here and will be a proponent of that, obviously, opening up the xl pipeline, these federal lands, et cetera. >> also talking about the other day actually making it easier for us to export natural gas. >> yes. >> absolutely critical. >> i don't expect you to announce that you're running for president on this set any more

than you were going to on jimmy kimmel's point. >> good point. >> everybody thinks you're thinking about it. >> i don't shy away from that. i'm thinking about it and want to keep my options open. >> candidates who have run and failed are better off the next time around, they've learned lessons from the first time around. >> you just said a very powerful truth. you learn some lessons that first time around. >> tell us what the three biggest things are that you learned from your run -- >> i highly recommend if you're going to run for president of the united states, you do not have major back surgery. >> oh, the drug. >> might have an impact on your performance. what would be harder than running for governor of texas, four times? >> right. >> there is something harder. it's called the presidency. >> i'm so glad you said this. i remember cokie roberts saying

20 years ago, she said it's always fascinating that you have people that have run huge states, that have run huge senate races and they think they've seen it all. they've seen nothing. by the way, it's great experience. don't get me wrong. >> cokie was saying this in the 1980s. none of us know what it's like to be president of the united states until you're inside that bubble. none of us know, other than you, what it takes to run for president of the united states. it's just incoming all the time. >> joe, i want to share with you, it's one of the most humbling experiences i've ever gone through in my life. this was a very humbling experience. >> we did the best to build you up on the set of "morning joe." >> it was humbling, though, absolutely. and that's not necessarily a bad thing. it's not necessarily a bad thing. and, again, america is a place that is about second chances. it is about a place that, you know, we don't mind knocking people off of their perch and then how do you perform after that? i mean, what's the --

>> right. what are you made of? >> what's so fascinating -- >> a dad from west texas. >> i used to get bucked off those ponies all the time. and he would say, son, get back on them. >> you figure out how not to get bucked off the next time. >> you call it a humbling experience. we don't agree about anything, so i won't go into that. although i do have an equal pay question coming up, fair warning. you say it's humbling. i want to know, what was the most gutting thing about it? if you could be deeply personal for a moment. you seem to be very comfortable sharing. and it is an insight you have that nobody here at the table has, that experience of putting yourself out there. >> standing up in front of 4 million people and performing the way that i did in one debate was a very humbling experience. it was. i think we've all had lapses of memory before. again, i will suggest to you

what i have been through physically, mentally and ill preparation. preparation for whatever it is in life is really important. and i did not prepare well enough to run for the presidency of the united states. looking back on that, i will admit that. >> and how did you feel the next day? how did you keep going? you did keep a jovial attitude. you fought. put ideology aside. we all agree that something happened during that debate that was terrible for you. >> it was. >> you're the one who says it. but how did you, the hex day, face your staff, move forward? where did you find it? >> life doesn't end at the moment of failure. you get up and -- young men and women who leave everything on the field, whether it's an athletic field or, frankly, whether it's a field of battle, get up the next day and do your job. americans do it every day.

single moms every day do it. he get up. they go to work. they get knocked down. >> tell us about your new grandbaby. we don't agree a lot politically. but we agree on new grandbabies. >> beautiful granddaughters. >> what's her name? >> ella. first grandbaby, only grandbaby. most beautiful grandbaby in the world with all due respect to you. >> we agree to disagree. >> let's agree to disagree on other things or perhaps you could come over to my side of this, mr. rick perry. equal pay. i can call you rick, can't i? >> you certainly can. >> see, joe? >> i know i'm home when i hear people call me ricky. >> ricky. >> what, mom? >> what the heck is going on in your state when it pertains to equal pay and the ongoing debate with wendy davis? >> i vetoed that bill in the

last session of the legislature. why do we need to muddle up our statutes when we already have laws on the books that clearly takes care of this? i get the message. i am married to one of the most capable women in the world, a professional. i am the father-in-law to an incredibly bright litigator, who is the mother of that beautiful grandbaby. i have a daughter who aspired to be a broadcast journalist. >> she dodged that bullet. >> she did. she's a great kid. but they have my support, as do all women across -- my chief of staff is a woman. i mean, i probably have more female chiefs of staff than anybody in texas history. and the fact is, they get paid well because of the performance that they do. i support women. when it comes to being first

asian american secretary of state in texas history, mandita berry. i support and help lift up women in the state of texas as do i think our policies in the state. but for the sole purpose of politics -- let's face it, this was passed for no other reason than to say we're going to make you veto this bill. or in greg abbott's situation saying we've got statutes. bright lawyer. if they want to talk about substantive issues in texas in this governor's race, let's talk about tax policy, regulatory policy, legal policies. but to go focus on this issue of a piece of legislation that already -- that we already have law that is protect it is nonsense. >> you're not on drugs today. that's good. you sound great. >> hey, governor perry, you're the only one around this table not on drugs today.

as a guy who had back sburge i said this during the time -- >> i didn't need back surgery. >> they tried dragging me on set two months later. >> you're wise, man. >> two months later they got me on there. i'm trying to burn the tapes. >> love having you here, governor. >> ricky. >> love having you here, ricky. come back. i've always kept my eye on her...

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