we shall never surrender. we shall never surrender. >> that is all for now. i will see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. the ed show is up next. good evening, american, and welcome to the ed show live from new york. let's get to work. >> good morning, everyone. >> wake up, wake up, wake up. >> each week we fail to act, another 72,000 people lose their benefits. >> up you wake, up you wake, up you wake. >> these families are now in danger of losing their homes. >> wake up. wake up, wake up, wake up. >> people are living on the brink of financial disaster because of these games. >> there's a reason that we have seen long-term unemployed in this country nearly double. >> i can tell you all about the back of the president's head.

you just sit in and look right at it. >> it's absurd. do you know what absurd means? >> housekeeper boehner signalled to reason to take up the issue. >> because of the extreme nation, the indifference. >> good to have you with us. how many times have you heard the saying, life isn't fair? just isn't fair. i bet watching the basketball tournament, you were thinking, oh, didn't call a foul on that. that's not right. you know what? there's a lot of things in life that aren't fair. these guys haven't been fair to the american people. and this isn't a game we're talking about tonight. today on the radio, it's like i took a number of phone calls for people i thought i was almost a counselor, democrats all uptight about the fact that nate silver came out with a prediction.

he's a numbers guy. i got nothing against him, but it's the gut check. it's late in the game and there's going to be a gut check. that's what the midterm is going to be about. about the economy. i have always been a believer that americans, we as americans, we're pretty sensitive people. we have a good sense of fair play and we don't like it when people get shafted. we've just never been a country like that. we like to see our neighbor do well, the folks down the street do well and it's just fun to see people that you know get a good shot and something good happen to them. it's going to be about you and your. that's what this election going to be about. what does it mean to you and your family. now, tonight, we're going to talk about long-term unemployment. it's not in the headlines every day. gets talked about every now and then, but here's what's happening. i think the republicans, this crowd behind me, they are making a real, real miscalculation on

what the gut check is of the american people. that's what i believe. i don't have any stats to back it up, but i've been out and about and talkeded to enough people to believe that the republicans, as they continue to turn their backs on the unemployed americans across america, coming up with excuse after excuse, they are making serious miscalculations. republicans need to remember, this isn't a game. they're hurting people. in fact, this guy right here, something's wrong with america. one guy shouldn't have that much power. the long-term unemployed folks don't want to hear the rhetoric about off sets. they got bills to pay. they may lose their homes as nancy pelosi said. they need a check to survive. that's where it is for millions of americans. i know the stock market's doing good. i know we've added 8 million jobs. almost 50 months of job growth, but where did we start and where are we now? and the outsourcing continues

and corporate profits are through the roof. you mean we can't find any resource at all? let go to the numbers. after congress failed to act, 1.3 million americans, this was the story over the holidays. remember that? home for the holidays. people lost their long-term unemployment benefits. americans lost their insurance on december 28th. that was the first time. and we said that it's going to get worse. but wait a minute, we were told back then to trust the crowd that i just showed you. that they were going to come back in january and do shotgomeg about this. it wasn't even on their agenda list. by february 12st, the number had jumped to 1.7 million. gosh, another almost a half a million people were affected by this. today, that number is up to 2.2 million. it's getting worse. you think they're feeling good about things? you think america's being fair to them? you think they feel real good?

by the end of this year 2014, it's expected that we could be looking at over 5 million people if the congress doesn't act. the congress that loves to play golf. the congress that doesn't do much. the congress that has been the least productive congress in years. about those folks? republicans could care less about this chart or any other number when it comes to helping americans. now, two weeks ago, the senate put forward a bill to extend unemployment insurance. harry reid has a pulse. couldn't find anybody on the other side to help out. earlier today, house republicans made it clear that they have no plans to extend unemployment benefits. eric cantor had the nerve to come out and talk about families strugg struggling to heat their homes. >> as much of the country is seeing snow pile up today, we're reminded of the home heating bills piling up on the kitchen

tables during this cold winter. two weeks ago, we in the house passed several bipartisan bills aimed at lowering costs for working, middle class families and increasing jobs. america is not working when president obama is seeking to close coal power plants causing home heating costs to rise and jobs to be lost. >> can you believe that? you know what he's talking about? deregulation. this is the problem. we're going to have five million people by the end of this year, but we've got to protect the corporations better. he ought to be ashamed of himself. the bills he's talking about would protect the coal industry from further regulation and we all know how clean coal is. cantor wants to protect the most agreegs coal companies. how about duke energy? this month, duke energy intenti intentionally dumped 61 million gallons of toxic coal ash into the north carolina cape fear

river. just real good citizens. now, the company used actual pumps to move toxic ash from a holding pool and place it in the river. now, the cape fear river provides drinking water, which i think people in several cities and towns in north carolina actually like. well, you see, in the last month, this company, this company, has been accused of violating environmental rules eight times. these are cantor's buddies. cantor's idea of lower energy costs for those who are worried about heating their home and job creation is protecting companies like duke energy. you heard the sound bite. i didn't make it up. that's exactly what he said today. he could care less about the unemployed in this country. republicans are wasting time and money going around protecting coal fire plants. we just don't have enough of them. if we deregulate more, hell,

we'll have fewer unemployed people. nothing about the out sourcing, huh? they need to protect the americans out of work right now and throw them a lifeline so they can pay the bills. john boehner confirmed today he wants a paid for unemployment extension. >> i told the president i would consider this as long as it was paid for and as long as there were provisions attached, but actually help the economy and help people get back to work. those conditions have not been met. >> so, we've got cantor who wants to protect the corporations and of course, we want boehner who wants lower taxes. that's what he's talking about. boehner has been saying the same thing since january. unemployed americans don't want to hear about off sets. they need a lifeline. i think refusing to extend unemployment really is a republican effort to stay in power. that's all they care about is staying in power. they know if the unemployed checks stop, the economy is

going to suffer even more and they're okay with that because they'll blame the democrats. a white house report shows that 240,000 could be lost by the end of this year by refusing to extend unemployment benefits. the cbo has calculated without an extension, gdp, will be up to 0.4% lower this year. and this is the numbers, these are the numbers that the republicans want. this is what they think is going to be the ticket for them to not only maintain power in the house and pick up seats, but it's also going to get them the senate. i don't think americans are there. i think the fair, the sense of fair play and the sensitivity of our economy and those that are being cast aside, i think that's going to win out. these guys could care less about helping the long-term unemployed. now, let's go back to that chart of five million people if we

can, fellas. we've shone you the numbers of where it starteded. there it went. then march 25th, by the end of the year. where are we going to be in november? we're going to be close to that 5 million mark. and if we have 5 million people in this country who are long-term unemployed, you can count on it, we're going to have a housing problem in the country. people will be losing their homes. foreclosures will take place and we'll be back to the old headlines of 2009. there will be a ripple effect. and what is so unfair about all of this is that this crowd, the republicans, will show the crew one more time, gerrymandering has put them in a position of power. they feel so em boldened by the way they have socially engineered the election map that they can say no to americans who are struggling and get away with it. to you folks who were on the radio today, if that doesn't burn something in your belly, i

don't know what's going to work. i really don't. this election, because they're not going to go anything to help the long-term unemployed. and we shouldn't have to have off sets because we're not that kind of country. we have a moral compass of helping people, our own neighbors, in times of need. these are unusual circumstances. but they're going to keep going and i think this is a serious miscalculation and they're showing the country they really have no moral fiber or backbone. they just couldn't weather the storm of helping 5 million people or doing a jobs bill, which we don't have and we're not going to have before the midterm. so, we don't have a jobs bill. we don't have long-term unemployment benefits extended. we don't have the minimum wage. we're not going to get immigration. you know what we're all waiting for? we're waiting for november. they're trying to run out the clock. they love watching the tournament. they'll count on the refs giving them the signal.

this is how american's running. this is your tax dollars right here. it may sound partisan as i am quite often, but this ain't a democratic problem, folks. even smart people can figure this one out. right? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think, tonight's question. does john boehner care more about keeping power or helping people? text a for keeping power. b for helping people. to 67622. you can always go to our blog and bring the results. again, just to be clear, this is the result of gerrymandering. there is no political calculation. they know that they're going to have the power in the house and i say that one man shouldn't have that much power, but those are the cards that are on the table and that's the deck we got to play with. for me, let me bring in debbie wasserman schultz of florida. good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. what are house democrats, what are the plans, if this is going

to go to november for five million people, what can be done? >> you're absolutely right, ed. the republicans callously cut off unemployment insurance benefits for two million people at the end of last year, right in the midst of the holidays and beyond how callous and inhumane that was, it was penny wise and pound foolish. think about the group of people that lost those benefits. beyond that, we're leaving them in much more significant desperate financial straits than not having a job was to begin with. we also know that when they have those benefits, they're able to spend money. they're putting money out into the economy and we're still in the midst of a recovery, which i think the republicans have deliberately put the brakes on. the american people are much smarter than out as you've pointed out so many times and i think they'll see through it in

this election. >> what is your response to eric cantor talking about the coal industry and backing off on regulations and this is really what it's all about if we're going to help the long-term unemployed. that's what i heard. maybe you heard it differently. >> you know, there's no getting around that they have a bipartisan agreement in the senate to extend unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed. it passed the senate and john boehner and eric cantor are refusing to extend those benefits, to make sure we can put those resources back into the economy and also to make sure that we can help those people with the bridge they need while they're struggling. at the end of this recovery period to find work. why eric cantor is clearly doing, as his entire republican conference is doing, is protecting corporate special interests. they're not focused on job creation.

they're focused on protecting big business. >> they are. finally, the supreme court started hearing arguments today over company saying they don't want to provide birth control. over religious beliefs. that's your reaction to is that? >> you know, i think if you asked almost every woman in america what their opinion was, it is not their boss's business what kind of health care they choose to utilize, what kind of medication they take and when it comes to this supreme court case, that a ceo of a corporation is trying to decide for his female employees and impose his religious beliefs on his female employees and force them not to be able to make a decision to use birth control quhen 99% of women use it in their lifetime and 60% use it for something other than family planning. it's outrageous and i think the supreme court will suggest it's

ridiculous. >> appreciate your time tonight. if three can't figure it out, nobody can. let me bring in connie shults. how are these 2.2 million americans going to get through this when the signal is very clear that congress isn't going to do anything about this? the republicans in congress aren't going to do anything about this. >> as you know, i like to talk about the actual stories of these people and this is despair by a thousand cuts. because first, they have to dip into their savings if they're lucky to have had any. then pick which bills they're going to pay each month. you talk to these rescue groups for animals, pets, they're giving up family pets. their children's pets because they can't afford to feed them. they're having to decide whether to give anything for a child's

birthday. they get rid of the parties. then the birthday presents and despair sets in and domestic violence increases. the incidents of it. and people start feeling they're worthless. i posted the question today on my public facebook page just asking people because i know so many of them have been out of work for a long time now. we look at so many of the threats, this is affecting disproportionally, people who are older, people of color, people who are in blue collar jobs. when you contrast the human suffering of people who just want to work to the members of the congress, republican members specifically, we must address it, it is a partisan issue, and they are making very good money, they have the cadillac of health care. they are applauded every time they get in front of a room and open their mouths. they feel their power every

single day and yet, they can't bring themselves to champion regular people over coal companies. when i heard cantor say that, i thought this really comes down to who are you fighting for. not who am i against, it's who are you fighting for. it's a question each one has to ask themselves. i don't know how eric cantor lives with himself after giving that sort of answer in discussing the heating bills of americans. >> totally disconnected. they are callous and all they care about is being drunk with power and keeping that power in the house. they are making a political calculation that they will not be hurt by this and they're just going to grind it and blame it on the democrats and blame it on president obama. what else could it be? >> well, when you're despondent, when you don't know how you're going to take care of your family, when you are worried ability the car breaking down

and worried about loosing your house, you don't care much about who you're going to vote for and i'm afraid that's what they're counting on. despair benefits, the republicans. >> great to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. thank you. coming up, president obama proposes an end to the nsa bulk phone record collection. well, senator sanders gives us insight on that, next, and later, why rick scott's fund-raiser quit. stay with us. we're right back. your eyes really are unique.

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>> it allows us to do what is necessary in order to deal with the dangerous terrorist attack, but in a way that addresses some of the concerns that people have raised. >> big issue. joining us tonight. bernie sanders of vermont. i guess the question is, can the nsa continue to keep us safe with the information we need to be safe. what do you make of this? >> i think the president is taking a step in the right direction. but i think we need to go further and i voted against the usa patriot act and reauthorization because i worry very much about the overreach, not only of the nsa, but other intelligence agencies. in my view, you're not a free country when the federal government collects every phone call made in this country. when the federal government gets into some of our e-mails, the

websites we visit, has the capability of going to the library and know the books you took out. that is not what freedom is about. so i think what the president has proposed is a step in the right direction, but i think we've got to go further. >> can we keep the country safe the way we use ed to have it? >> the answer is i believe that we can. the issue here, ed, is it is to my mind, wrong and unconstitutional to collect information on every phone call made in america when 99.9999% of the american people have nothing to do with terrorism. the kind of system you want is to say that if we know, if law enforcement or the intelligence agency has reason to believe that somebody involved in terrorist activity, may be involved, go after them. do an investigation. tap the phones. do everything that you need to do to protect the american people. but on the other hand, the

overwhelming majority of the people have nothing to do with terrorism. we should not be collecting their phone data or getting into their e-mails. >> and senator, are you okay with collecting this phone data and the way the operation of the fisa court does? agent is do what they have to do, they have a certain amount of time, have to get it signed off by a judge so they don't act like a rogue operation. you okay with that? >> what i'm not okay with is the fisa court almost always with few exceptions, allows the intelligence agencies and law enforcement to do what they want. >> so, it's not really oversight. >> it's more of a rubber stamp is my perception. >> okay, well, senators like rand paul who have been critical of the president over the nsa work with him to make these changes? there are some you know, i guess

libertarians what they want to be called, free thinkers, that have been very critical, but are these voices going to come forward and speak up now? >> this actually is a moment when you will have honest conservatives whose main mantra is they don't like big government. if you don't like big government, myou don't want the federal government filing every phone call in america, getting into our e-mails or into our websites. so honest conservatives who do believe in constitutional rights, should be working with progressives who share that same value. >> all right, thanks for your time tonight. appreciate it. coming up, a snag in rick scott's effort to reach out to hispanic voters in florida. rapid response panel weighs in on that and later, the fight for public education. i sat down with a florida state senator and public school board teacher to find out how florida's charter school system is hurting students, but next,

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their scripted latino outreach effort is on display in florida where rick scott is up for re-election. he chose carlos quinn terra as lieutenant governor for his running mate. he would be the first hispanic to hold office if the ticket wins. many see it as a a move to bolster support of the hispanic community. on thursday, the florida house passed a bill 81-33, which would give in-state tuition rates to children of undocumented immigrants. now, the outreach effort hit a snag last thursday with rumors of racism among scott's campaign staff. the governor's top fund-raiser, mike fernandez, resigned. "the miami herald" reports that fernandez sent an e-mail to top scott allies complaining about two campaign aides, joking in an insensitive cartoon style mexican accent in route to a

mexican restaurant in fernandez' hometown. scott's campaign has denied the allegations and told "the miami herald" mike was not in the van. i spoke to every staffer. if something was said in an accent, no one remembers what it was. we are a diverse organization and do not tolerate inappropriate comments. so a lot going on in the race for the governor's chair in florida. joining me tonight, annette, and conservative business owner, irinia with us as well. great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate it so much. annette, you first. why did fernandez resign? is there more to this story or just an insensitive comment or off color e-mail? is this the root of the story? >> i think so. i think what's sad is that they're turning on their top fund-raiser. they're actually saying he's lying. the lieutenant governor went on

a spree yesterday just telling everybody all the reporters in florida, oh, no, there's no validity to this claims. now, today, we find out that the e-mails are actually out and we can see that he did send the e-mails, he did say it and his partner was in that van, where all this stuff was said. this is fernandez' partner. they're caught in the lies. which doesn't surprise us because this is part of rick scott constant deny, deny, deny and predent like these never happen. after all, he did that in his business, so this is what i call a problem grande for rick scott. >> irina, is rick scott's outreach to hispanics in trouble? >> i don't really think it is. i think some people you know, conduct themselves in certain ways. i don't think the governor can control how everybody reacts or if there's any type of insensitivity. i don't think it has any calling

on his behavior or what he has done as a governor in the last four years. i think when people go to the polls, they're going to think am i better off these last four ye years than when charlie crist left us to run in the senate. >> what do you make of fernandez leaving? why would he leave at such a critical time? >> he's a billionaire. i think that his mission so a certain degree has been accomplished. he raised over $35 million. i think he has a lot of things to do with his time. if there was any insensibleties, i don't think he or anybody else should put up with it. i'm sure he has other things to do with his time. i think he showed his loyalty to the governor by raising $35 million. his work has been concluded. he is continuing to be loyal to the governor. the governor has his vote and is is continuing to conduct

fund-raisers for him in florida. i don't think he has any subsequent regards with how the relationship is. >> what do you think? >> i think rather than the governor's staff and the lieutenant governor call iing h in essence a liar is you know, he should be commended. he actually spoke up. >> i think -- >> wrote in an e-mail, said, this is not okay and he said insensitivities to the hispanic communities are not okay and he also said these people that come from other places think that they know how to speak to the hispanic community. obviously, they don't. and he said after all, he's made himself a billionaire by selling to hispanics. so, he knows a thing or two about hispanics, so i think he was trying to raise flags, rightrigh rightly so and we should be aware of the fact the governor has not been a good governor. >> i think if mr. fernandez was annoyed, he has the right to

relen quish his post as co-chair of campaign fund raising. i think that has no indication as to how mr. rick scott has dealt with hispanics in florida. i think that when the folks go to the polls, they're going to take into account how the state has progressed and that's the main issue. >> why is it -- >> i have -- >> go ahead. >> as a hispanic, i haven't felt any insensitivity from my community or leaders and you can't base a person's actions on the entire republican organization. that's just absurd. >> go ahead, annette. >> i know, but that is the leader of the republican party in florida. instead of saying, this is not right, we shouldn't be making mexican jokes at our campaign. fire those people and actually stand up for the hispanic community. this shouldn't surprise us. this is the person who just last year, vetoed driver's licenses for dreamers. every step of the way, he's

been -- oh, he didn't veto it? i mean, i'm sorry, maybe you didn't read. >> i don't agree that to categorize a governor as antihispanic because somebody made a joke about a mexican accent? it's overblowing the entire situation, really. >> why didn't he help out the hispanics as far as tuition is concerned his first year and why didn't -- he needs -- speaking of president obama, we had quite a decision -- >> no, no. >> we had quite a edition in florida with the focus group. is health care going to affect it in november? >> in florida? >> yes. >> as far as the governor's concern? >> charlie crist is embracing the affordable care act. will that make a difference? >> when you all introduced me in

the program, i came on as a hispanic business owner and i can tell you that the voice hispanic has and business owners in general, there's a lot of uncertainty with regards to obamacare. there's a lot of unknowns and i just think this should have been better dealt with beforehand. you don't inact a law and figure it out after it's passed congress. first of all, you figure out what the consequences will be. >> they're going try to make an issue of it. i don't think it's going to hurt the democrats. i am also a business owner and i happen to know that the status quo, which is what the republicans want because i've never seen what they're going to do to cover all the millions in florida who don't have insurance. we really need an answer and obamacare has been good, especially for us business owners who can't get coverage in florida. >> great to have you.

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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. charter school supporters. you know what they're doing? they are throwing money around to gain support of new york state lawmakers. a big story here in new york. pro charter organization families for excellent schools spent $3.6 million on a series of television commercials blasting mayor bill de blasio. >> these are the 194 faces of success academy's public middle school in harlem. they love their school and all the opportunities it brings. but mayor bill de blasio just announced he is closing their school, taking away their hopes and dreams. he is taking away a public school where the fifth graders have the highest math scores in the entire state and scored twice the city average in

reading. mayor de blasio, don't take away our children's future. save our school. >> well, the group is upset over mayor de blasio's decision to stop three success charter school academy schools from using space inside public school buildings in the city. this is not just a local problem. it's all over the country. for instance, in florida. charter schools are looking to privatize and run education for a profit. it's impact students and families all over the country. down in florida, it's an issue. i asked florida state senator dwight bullard what the public school system is up against in south florida. >> we've been face hearing in floridas a whole is a 15-year really war if you will by the charter reform and school reform folks here in the state of florida. as you know, governor jeb bush was elected governor in 1998 in the state of florida. and chose to take a very, very different stance on what public

education has looked like traditionally, and his efforts and his works have been consistently sort of part of a continuing problem over the last 15 years as it's related to things like undermining class size, which has changed our constitution to make class sizes smaller, not funding it properly, as well as the vast expansion of charter schools and vouchers. >> so you have seen the depletion of resources in public education because of charter schools? >> absolutely, absolutely. you've seen a redirecting of those resources into the 300-plus charters that we have here in the state. >> are they all for profit? >> some of them are nonprofit through their districts. but most of them are handled by charter management companies that are for profit. >> so are you picking and choosing neighborhoods that get the resources in this state in your part of the state? >> what we're seeing is cherry picking happening on the part of the school reform folks.

they're picking the best students. and if those students don't work out that. >> simply send them back to the public schools, but without the resources. >> is there a perception here in this part of the country that charter schools get more than the public schools? >> no. i think the perception is that we're creating a three-tiered educational system with those who can afford it going to private schools. those who want to afford it but cannot going to charters, and those who are left with whatever is left going in the public schools. and that's sort of been the message that our legislature unfortunately has been sending, at least the republican leadership. >> so why are charter schools bad? >> well, charter schools are bad because they're taking what is a phenomenal notion of public school traditional public schools and using what those training grounds have created, but then transferring it over into these other schools that are in essence duplicating what

is already taking place over the last ten years. >> is it targeted to hit minority kids? >> unfortunately, that's way i view it. unfortunately. and i can say this has an educator. i'm a teacher by trade, that seeing the kids that somehow don't make it in charter schools, it seems to be a color disparity in terms of the number of kids being kicked out disproportionately coming from black and latino communities. >> honest answer, how do they compare academic achievement? >> apples to ams, public schools are outperforming and outpacing. >> tell me than pierre machine and advertising approach. >> kwloyn have a for profit charter management company that is now in the business of politics, not only do they supply resources to their legislative partners, and let's be clear about what we have. we have individuals who are on payrolls for charter schools that are state legislators.

we have they're flush with money. you a 36-1 disproportionate level of lobbyist for charter industry schools versus public industry schools here in the state of florida. so their resources are sometimes insurmountable. >> so you say apples to apples, public schools are outperforming charter schools. >> uh half. >> but that's not what the advertising campaign says. >> not at all. not at all. they say we have this new shiny opportunity. we have something that is different because your child has been flailing. and then make it seem as though public schools are the problem. >> when you see our coverage in new york about what is going on, what goes through your mind? >> i can identify it, because we've been going through it for far too long in florida, where you've been seeing this creaming or cherry picking of the best and brightest possible students, taking those resources, but then at the same time seeing resources taken away from the public discussions.

>> so it's just not here in new york. it's all over the country. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, supreme showdown. the right wingers try again and again to tear down president obama's health care law. and today they're at it again. the supreme court heard arguments from two businesses whose owners don't want to comply with part of the affordable care act, saying it violates their religious beliefs to include certain forms of contraception in their employee's health plans. one of the businesses is hobby lobby. the country say