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contest, we should remember both parties' picks have been marching the court to the right. george w. bush replaced justice o'connor with a more current justice lito. if liberals want to intensify the fight for progressive bench, we should probably start by pushing more great jurists in the lower courts, not badgering one of the best off the highest court in the land. that does it for us on "the psych o cycle." it's time for "now with alex wagner." >> what could be a much needed break in the search for missing malaysian airlines flight 370. >> a french satellite took these
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images. >> some objects were as much as 23 meters in length. >> they're in the same area as the other pieces of debris picked up by satellite last week. >> more includes from space but frustratingly at sea nothing found. >> weather conditions improved overnight. >> there were a record number of assets out in the search area. >> a dozen planes and five ships. >> three objects were spotted, two of them thought to be rope. >> objects can move three feet per second. >> apparently they go back and and they can't find those objects they saw. >> there is a disconnect between what's seen from space and what the crews based here can see at 200 or 300 feet. >> new evidence and new pictures are giving fresh hope in the search for malaysia flight 370. authorities released these pictures on sunday. experts say they show 122
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objects floating in the area of the southern indian ocean where searchers are combing for any sign of the missing plane. the malaysian government also revealed today there was another partial ping from the aircraft to a satellite, about eight minutes after the plane's last complete transmission, what has been called a handshake and that happened at 8:11 a.m. on march 8th. officials with the satellite company inmarsat say they're trying to understand what could cause the partial handshake. they say human interaction has been ruled out. chris mclaughlin told the journal, "we are not looking at this partial ping as someone trying to turn on the system and can't communicate." all this new information is being brought to bare as the fewious pace of the search goes on. after a one-day halt due to bad weather, conditions improved this morning, allowing 12 planes
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to fly over the search area. the u.s. navy has sent an undersea towed pinker row kloca but the devices won't reach the search area until late next week. once deployed the machinery has to be towed deep underwater at a pace that is barely faster than a walk. the investigation into deleted files into the home of the pilot's flight simulator is almost done. >> i have teams working literally around the clock to try and exploit that. i don't want to say more about that in an open setting but i expect it to be done fairly shortly, within a day or two to finish that work. >> as the sun rises on day 20 of the search off the australian coach, families of the plane's passengers continue to express
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their frustration and their anger. after clashes yesterday between police and distraught relatives in beijing, there is word today some families are taking legal actions. relatives of one of the indonesian passengers aboard flight 370 took the first step toward a potential multi-million dollar lawsuit filing court documents against malaysia airlines and the aircraft's manufacturer, boeing. joining me from monday tree a is retired airline pilot and safety representatives for the airline association, paul, thank you for joining me. 122 objects sounds like a lot. how meaningful is this? >> having read through the inmarsat analysis and coming through with the pictures, when the two start to line up, you begin to say they're making a compelling case that the
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airplane is in that vicinity. until we actually get a vessel to pick up some of these debrises and have a look at what they really are, we won't know for certain. it's beginning to look probable they're looking in the right place. >> do you make anything of the enough partial ping that may have been received? i mean, does that meaningfully change this investigation one way or the other in your opinion? >> no, i really don't think it does. the inmarsat satellite communication is something that is blind to the people on the flight deck. you can turn offer the acars by pulling a circuit breaker, turn off the transponder by flipping a switch but you really don't have ready access to controlling that directly. i mean, if you have schematics and everything you might be able to do it. but, no, that's not something that human would be interacting with. >> just in terms of pilots knowing this kind of data would be used to locate a plane in this situation, this is historic insofar as we've never really
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used satellite data in this fashion. is that correct? >> no. for those of are who were not strong mathematic majors, i'm impressed by the entire thing. the concept that the satellite can detect that minuscule shift to calculate that location is incredible. >> we have heard a lot that at homes or pilots having access to flight simulators is a fairly common occurrence. in your experience is an in-home simulator something that many pilots have? >> yeah, in fact i had one on my laptop computer. with the high level of automation on the airplanes, the best way to learn it and to stay sharp with it is to be able to practice. in fact, my old airline did provide me with a tool that
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allowed me to practice -- not to hand fly it so much but to do all the programming and to fly a scenario. so not only is it common, but it's actually a very good thing to do because it keeps the pilot sharp on the various features of automation. >> paul mccarthy, thank you for your time and thoughts. joining me now is senior fellow and contributing editor at "foreign policy" magazine, christian carl. thanks for joining us. you have edited a piece where a malaysian writer that says for everyone surprised at the ineptitude or chaos in the wake of this investigation, this is basically par for the course in terms of the malaysian government. tell us a little bit more about that. >> thank you for asking about that, alex. i think it's a fantastic piece. it was written by a malaysian citizen now working in a bank in kuala lumpur. she's an excellent writer and she makes the point in her piece
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that malaysians are used to a lot of obfuscation and problems likes this from their government. she names a series of political scandals that have occurred in malaysia where in any normal government you would have had a parliamentary investigation or consequences for people involved. in ma llaysiamalaysia, there's for these to go away because the government doesn't want them looked into in such detail. >> one can imagine there has already been one lawsuit filed, but in the u.s. we are sort of accustomed to a lit gatory society. in malaysia, i think it's different. how caught off guard do you think the government will be after what i assume will be a raft of suits?
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>> i think you're right. it would be hard for any other country to be at litgatory as we are. it is also a very modern country. it's -- malaysia is very connected to the world. they have a huge social media community there. i suspect the government probably knows that the point that something like that could be on the way. and they're probably busily hiring lawyers and lobbyists and people to help them as we speak, i should think. >> let me ask you about the sort of broader foreign policy tensions that have been exposed here and i will quote william pasik who was writing yesterday about the chinese dynamics here. he says tolerating protests where demonstrators bellow wildly and chant that the malaysian government are
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murdere murderers, they claim the high ground from a rival for territorial claims in the broader sea. >> one of the things that's been fascinating to watch has been how chinese bloggers have been reacting to all this, especially on the chinese microblogging system, their equivalent of twitter you might say. what's interesting is a lot of very incendiary, tough and critical posts of the malaysian government have been untouched. >> relations between the malaysians and the chinese have not been traditionally very bad as far as i understand. how much do you have think this is bluster and sort of poker playing and how much do you think this actually affects
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bilateral relations? >> i think it will have a big impact on the countries' relations. the chinese government has allowed a lot of this sentiment to come out. you may have mentioned something earlier in the broadcast about how much money the passengers from the disappeared flight may be expecting to get. i think that's going to a huge political issue in fact and could become a big irritant in chinese/malaysian relations because there's been an idea floated that the clhinese families of the passengers on the plane might end up getting a lot less than the westerners. if that were true, i would see the chinese official media going berserk. >> it is an unfolding tragedy. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> the search for victims and survivors of saturday's deadly mudslide in oso, washington
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continues today. the official toll is at 16. 176 people remain unaccounted for. search and cadaver dogs and rescuers are reportedly using everything from small bulldozer to their bare hands as they pore through mud and debris looking for victims. the landslide includes 15 million cubic yards of land. >> in downtown manhattan today, a terror suspect was convicted today in a u.s. court on u.s. soil. warriors of guantanamo take note. that is next. that's just for guys. now, it's your turn.
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something major happened today, a 9/11 terrorist was convicted in court. sulaiman abu ghaith was found guilty morning of conspiring to kill americans and providing material support for terrorists on september 11th. last week he took the stand and denied he had any specific knowledge the september 11th attacks would occur, this despite he was sitting next to bin laden in a video in which e they took credit for the attacks the day after it happened. he now faces up to life in prison. but his conviction also demonstrates the power of the american criminal justice
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system. abo he is proof that our courts work and he is a useful, if painful reminder to those who would prefer to keep alleged terrorist masterminds locked away in prison that operate independent of the united states judicial system like the 154 detainees in guantanamo bay and the 140 men being held indefinitely without charge. coming up, the real benghazi scandal, the cost of its investigation. darrell issa has one again cost taxpayers dollars. >> and we'll talk about the latest a.c.a. drama, that's next on "now." ♪
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six days ahead of the march 31st deadline to sign up for health insurance under the affordable care act, the obama administration announced yesterday that it would allow extra time for those who attempt to enroll in the federal exchange but do not finish their applications before monday's deadline. individuals will have until mid-april to ask for an extension. to get that extension, all they have to do is check a blue lobo on the healthcare.gov web site to indicate they tried to enroll before march 31st. a lot of reporters had a lot of questions about whether this isn't a gigantic loophole to allow late sign-ups. the agency that runs the federal exchange says most people are truthful when applying for those
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benefits. most people. while over 5 million americans have enrolled in the affordable care act since october, a kaiser poll showed 6 in 10 americans still don't know when the looming deadline is. that is a figure which is creating some concern inside the administration, especially since there are only five days left until the open enrollment period ends, or sort of ends. the extension is undeniably a good thing for people who want or need coverage but it will also give the gop information to demonize the president. john boehner waxed philosophical as only he can.
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>> what the hell is this, a joke? >> i love his indignation. joining me is senior writer, general thrush and juliette halperin. how much political highmileage republicans really going to get out of this? >> what is the hell is that, a joke, alex? >> exactly. >> from what i'm hearing and i spoke to a couple of people before i came on, the projections are we'll see between 6 and 6.4 million enrollees, right, which in october anyone in the white house would have jumped on being a great success considering how awful the roll-out is. i think the damage has already been done. there's a pretty good possibility that the democrats might lose the senate in large measure over the unpopularity of the measure.
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i think in terms of momentum moving forward, the benefits of getting the however many new enrollees they're going to have in the additional two weeks outweighs the political damage. >> this is an argument that we've sort of had inside our hallowed halls here at msnbc. there is a question of actually getting americans health coverage, which is sort of a goal of good governance, if you are a member of the obama administration, and then there's a political side, here is the president, head of the democratic party and he understands that the mid terms could be really bad. like where does the onus lie? i feel like he's shown us pretty clearly they're going to err on the side of doing the right this evening for the american public add not really worry that much about the senate in 2014. >> well, look, the other aspect of this and far for me to be cynical about this, whenever the president has been confronted with supporting congress or doing what's right for the
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democratic majoritys in either house or burning his own credentials and looking over his own legacy, which one of those has he chosen? i think this is another example of that taking place. the damage of this was baked into this many, many months ago. >> you did some in-depth reporting during all that went down in what we'll call the season of glitches. this decision that the administration made in the last 24 hours seems in part because they want to ensure that people can actually enroll and they want to encourage enrollment and so forth, but bloomberg reports that the officials said yesterday the federal exchanges web site, healthcare.gov had more than 1.1 visitors and march 24th, one day, 1.1 million visitors. this also would seem -- this choice by the administration would also seem to be sort of an insurance policy against the actual system crashing. there still seems to be some concern that the glitches could
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come back and how catastrophic that would be at this point in time. >> you're absolutely right and i've been talking to officials about this. while they've been doing even more upgrades, they feel cautiously optimistic that they can accommodate the kind of last-minute crush they're going to get, there is certainly some uncertainty. they can't say exactly how many people are going to be on the web site and whether it can handle it. that is something. just to chime in on what you were saying before, while i definitely think there are counterpressures between the republican attacks, i was talking to senator mark begich, up for reelection in alaska, i asked him are you worried about this last-minute switch they just did. his opinion was, look, i want as many people as possible to enroll. there was no question i'd rather have as many people who start applications finish them. i think you're going to see certainly some support from the people who the white house might
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worry about criticizing them. >> to piggyback on what you said about senator begich, 6.6 million enrollees, it's betting whether talking points on the a.c.a. being a disaster are trumped by millions interacting with this law, many in red states saying this isn't so bad and the only thing offered by red states is repeal. >> what senate begich would say is now that he's gone into town hall, some of the feelings are changing because people now have plans. but they're operating from a different perspective now that they actually have this insurance. >> glen, does it surprise you, the kaiser polling that 6 in 10
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americans are aunaware that marh 31st is the deadline? 50% plan to remain uninsured. >> no, it doesn't surprise me. the context of this debate is we're talking about a relatively small segment of the population that's even eligible for this, right? all of this kerfuffle are fighting over a relatively small percentage of the population, 15 million pool of uninsured. there was always the calculation, i remember having briefings at the white house last year where they were talking about a fairly high percentage of people eligible for this not going for it. i think the really damaging thing and worrisome trend is the fact they're not getting enough latinos signed up and the young invincibles are really the core in terms of making this work economically are not signing up in the numbers they want.
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>> juliette, on that note, we don't have the breakdown of data in terms of who is enrolling, whether they're sick or uninsured, we don't know the numbers on that. what's interesting is at the root of wanting to get young, healthy people signed up is the risk pool and making sure insurance companies don't have to raise their premiums because they're taking on a higher risk pool. what surprised me through all of this and even through the announcement is the relationship between the white house and insurance companies has not deteriorated. the wire says the insurance companies expected this and are waiting to see if the special enrollment period is well established. there could have been moments of i would guess great tension between the insurers and the white house given these changes. it sounds like the lines of communication remain open and
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they're working hand in hand on this. >> it's truth. they're bedfellows. while certainly there's grumbling behind the scenes on both side, i can ensure you of that, and this was more intense when the web site was not working and there was intense frustration on the industry's part, at this point they both are so heavily invested in having this succeed that you're right, that alliance has not cracked, which is certainly something that matters. >> hey, glen, one last question to you, political savant that you are, does all the talk of the a.c.a. motivate new voters or swing voters to come to the polls in the november mid terms or is this about base voters and specifically firing up conservative base voters? >> i think it's the latter. you say new voters. i think it's about old voters and older voters. i mean, this is being pitched by republicans really successfully to their base as a government overreach. that's why it's kind of baked in the cake. we've seen a number of reports
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from pretty good political journalists saying you're going to see this real distortion in turnout with real worry on the democratic side. i think this skews towards republicans and owed older vote. >> glen, thank you for your time and juliette, thank you for your excellent thoughts. >> coming up, missouri executes its fifth death row inmate in as many months. details on that are next. hot chocolate stand calling winter an "underserved season". and before he quit his friend's leaf-raking business for "not offering a 401k." larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. that's why when the time came he counted on merrill edge to streamline his investing and help him plan for the road ahead. that's the power of streamlined connections. that's merrill edge and bank of america.
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gas station. it's the way they've been executing their inmates that is the source of a pretty quiet but very serious debate. in recent years, many companies that manufacture drugs for lethal injection decided they no longer want to be in the business of putting people to death. so states like missouri, ohio and oklahoma, left to their own devices, have started to execute their inmates with new and untested drugs. in some of these states, not only are potentially inadequate drugs being used, drugs that have prolonged execution time and have been described as cruel and unusual, but the state has also insisted on keeping the source of those drug as secret. so that is cruel, unusual and unaccountable, but maybe not for much longer. earlier today a judge in oak ok -- oklahoma ruled the state's secrecy law was
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unconstitutional. judge patricia parish said it was a violation of due process. clarity on what drugs are being used, where they're coming from and whether or not they cause unusual pain and suffering and are therefore unconstitutional, clarity on all that cannot come soon enough. later this week mississippi is scheduled to execute its first female inmate in seven decades, 57-year-old michelle byron, who is expected to pay the ultimate price for a crime that her own son has confessed to. >> we now have breaking news to report. firefighters are battling a nine-alarm fire at a brownstone in the back bay area of boston. at least eight people have been hospitalized, including three firefighters. it will be several hours before the fire is contained. we'll continue to monitor the story and bring you the later. congressional witch hunter darrell issa has a problem. the most scandalous part of all his favorite scandals is darrell
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♪ you can call them relentless, reckless or just plane useless. the tireless investigations into benghazi is priceless. multiple briefings, hearings and interviews has cost taxpayers millions of dollars and taken thousands of hours of work time. the assault killed four americans, including ambassador chris stevens. elizabeth king wrote, the department has devoted thousands of man-hours to respond to the often repetitive congressional
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requests regarding benghazi." congressman smith has not surprisingly questioned the ongoing investigations in light of cuts to the military budget and reports, some written by republicans, largely clearing the military of any wrong doing. but do not expect any of this information to deter republican conspiracists. we're talking to you, darrell issa. there may be no evidence of a coverup or coerce but there is an election coming up in 2016. hey, what's a couple more million taxpayer dollars in service of a republican jaagend. >> after the break, the conspiraspi conspiracy theories abound. first, hampton has the cnbc
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invisibility cloak with high-tech electronic weapon systems. or it is secretly hiding in north korea. or in the expert opinion of one malaysian shaman, it has been hijacked by elves and is us spend -- suspended in mid-air. according to rupert murdoch, perhaps it the stolen and hidden, perhaps in pakistan like bid laden. new evidence would seem to point in a direction other than pakistan or elves, changing the mind of conspiracy theorists is often hard to do, as with the birthers who deny president obama's citizenship or the truthers who perpetuate the theories the united states orchestrated the attack on september 11th.
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these theories are usually resistant to correction. as written in "conspiracy theories and other dangerous ideas," conspiracy theorists believe that the agents of the conspiracy have unusual powers. joining me is the man himself, cass sunstein. am i to believe it's you or is it just a hollwho wil hologram to you? >> well, it's me but of course i would say that. >> you are hitting the cultural nail on the head as we talk about what happened to this plane. all these insane series have been out there. i guess in your book you write about just how hard it is to debunk conspiracy theories because those who believe in them, and i will quote you, "are
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unlikely to give respectful attention to the debunkers who may be agents or duped by those responsible for the conspiracy in the first place." what is the best way to shatter a theory that has no basis in reality? >> one is if you can appeal in a way that affirms the basic beliefs or commitments of the people who believe in the conspiracy so at a level of abstraction they may believe something that everyone believes, like wrong doing should be punished. that can work. also, if you can get people who are alied with them, then this can work to debunk a conspiracy theory. >> do you feel we are in a moment right now, a lot of people will say under this president because he has in some
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ways exposed cultural rifts that exist in american society that, we are in a period where conspiracy theory is flourishing? i will point to donald trump, who is taken seriously in certain conservative circles and still maintains the president was not born here, after the president released the birth certificate, trump said he would have to check out the certificate himself and wondered why the president didn't release it a long time ago. it seems like there's more than there has been. >> i think we're seeing a lot of it. one is in a time of economic difficulty or when things are going wrong in very visible ways, like the traplane and tra events of benghazi, people try to seize on something awful which may be causal or may be made up. if you're scared and angry and a lot of people are, conspiracy
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theory seems appealing. the other thing i think is contributing to what you describe, i think you're right on on that, is social media, which are on balance a terrific thing for freedom and for information getting out there. if you have isolated networks, they can be kind of echo chambers and if they're politically polarized and full of anger or distrust, then they can start believing something that's baseless or ridiculous. >> when we talk about conspiracy theories, we tend to speak about them in a negative light. you have made the point that some conspiracy theories are good, like santa claus is not necessarily harmful or the tooth fairy. i guess when i read that or heard that, my thought was where do you draw the line at a conspiracy theory? the very word implies something negative i think. when we think of santa claus, we don't think of a cabal of people arranging for this notion of a wide and bearded man to deliver toys, how do you deliberate what
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is a conspiracy theory and what is folklore or myth? >> i think we want to distinguish between true conspiracy theories, like the theory that something malevolent was happening at watergate. that's one category. then there's another set of things which aren't really conspiracy theories but are more like games or fiction or made-up fun. i think santa claus has some of the characteristics of a conspiracy theory, both in the sense that both parents work together to propagate -- >> if santa claus is watching -- >> parents do spread together to spread something for fun, it's not something we should worry over and the tooth fairy the same. and the santa claus idea also has the idea there's a mysterious group of elves working together in a kind of secluded location doing stuff that magically appears on
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christmas eve. i wouldn't want the idea of conspiracy theory necessarily to have a negative connotation. it might accurately describe something that's true and that it's important to get out there and put a spotlight on. and it might actually capture some stuff which isn't awful, which is part of fun and things parents do or things parents do. >> cass, is there a time in which you think it is -- i mean, we just talked about good conspiracy theories. there a lot of conspiracy theories that focus on the u.s. government. i wonder as someone who has worked and knows much about regulation, whether there is such a thing as good government conspiracy to move citizens in the right direction, whether telling citizens lies or half truths or distortions to encourage better behavior or progress, do you think that that exists and do you think that should be allowable? and if so, how do we prevent
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that from becoming a slippery slope. >> falsehoods and half truths are not a good idea. if the government wants to steer people in good directions like help their children eat healthier or reduce smoking, it's good to tell the truth and not half truths or lies. so a very strong presumption in a free society and even ones that aren't free should be in favor of truth telling and honesty. and, incidentally, in freedom of speech. so conspiracy theories, even if they're out there, you need to debunk them. >> we need a donald trump hologram. >> even it had a seemingly credible birth certificate. >> and head of hair.
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>> coming up, georgia's governor wants to make sure the gun owners in his state can take their weapons basically everywhere. that's next. [ coughs, sneezes ] i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is.
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guns everywhere. that is how the organization founded by gabrielle giffords, the organization is called americans for responsible solutions, that is how they describe the new gun bill in georgia, which is expected to be signed into law by republican governor nathan diehl. giffords' group also calls it the most extreme gun bill in america, which is saying a lot, and here is why. once this bill is signed, gun owners will be able to legally carry their weapon in bars, night clubs, sports facilities, youth centers, libraries and government buildings that don't have security check points.
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teachers in georgia will be able to carry guns into their schools. churches can choose not to let their congregation carry weapons, but the maximum fine for violators will be $100. the bill will allow citizens to carry a gun into georgia airports as long as they stay in public waiting areas. but even if a gun owner tries to bring his or her firearm through security, he or she will no longer face criminal charges. in fact, tsa officials will not even be allowed to detain or question that person, as long as he or she claims to have a gun permit. guns everywhere. it's not surprising that an organization like americans for responsible solutions would come out against this bill, but here are some of the other groups opposing it. the georgia police chiefs association, the georgia restaurant association, the federal transportation
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administration, and a whole group of episcopal and catholic churches. the nra declares this the most comprehensive gun bill in history and it's happening in georgia, which has the highest number of gun deaths per capita out of all 50 states. two days ago a man was shot and killed in a georgia night club. six days ago on the same day this bill passed the georgia statehouse, a shooting in a bar near atlanta left a bystander wounded. that bar is called milo's and it was the scene of a fatal shooting last april. the mother of that victim, the one that died, hung a sign at milo's over the weekend. it read "my son was killed in a bar with a 9 millimeter gun. without that gun we'd still have him here. do we need more guns in bars after this? seriously?" this bill seriously passed the georgia legislature by a vote of 112-58 last thursday.
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