evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. if there's about to be a large volcanic eruption. if you live near an active volcano and it is about to blow big time. apparently one of the ways a volcano lets you know ahead of time it's about to blow is that the same forces that are about to cause the volcanic eruption also cause earthquakes ahead of time. it doesn't happen every time, but that is what happened in march 1980 between portland oregon and olympia, washington, that's called mt. st. helens. watch this footage that we have before that volcano erupted. we knew it was coming. watch. >> this is what the volcano area looked like today. the rumblings could be heard for

miles and earthquakes sent herds of wild elk into confused flight. all houses have been evacuated except for one. an 83-year-old man refuses to leave, says he's not scared. he describes what the quakes are like. >> a little uncanny, they just shake. in bed, you're protected, you're on two, three layers of springs. >> that was 34 years ago this week. that was march 1980. and those little earthquakes that mr. truman was feeling, said he didn't know if it made him feel drunk or what. small eruptions of gas at mount st. helens. they were not a false alarm, they were in fact signs that an eruption was coming. and on may 18th, 1980, just a few weeks after that footage was shot, that eruption happened and it was huge and it was

devastating. >> good evening. the mount st. helens volcano erupted today, it was the worst eruption of that mountain in 123 years. at least five people were killed fleeing down the mountainside and more feared dead. >> at 8:32 this morning, mount st. helens shuddered with a strong earthquake. the explosion was heard more than 100 miles away, the volcano spewed out a huge cloud of ash, two miles across and up to ten miles in the air. the force of the blast at least as big as the hiroshima bomb, 100 million tons of rock blown off the top. possibly as much blown up from below. what happened, this bulging twisting north face of the mountain seen here before the blast exploded laterally, the force and heat of the event totally destroyed an area 8 miles long, 15 miles wide. volcanic ash was carried as far as the dakotas today. in spokane, 200 miles east, the dust was so thick, some people

wore gas masks. below mount st. helens, total december lace, not a tree standing. people caught in this area died instantly, including the only resident who refused to leave and became a folk hero. 83-year-old harry truman. >> 83-year-old harry truman obviously not the former president, but that man who refused to evacuate in advance of that volcanic eruption, mr. truman died in the eruption. his whole camp where he lived on the banks of the volcano was buried in 150 feet of volcanic debris. in total 57 people were killed. it is still the worst natural disaster on record in the state of washington. nobody yet knows what the death toll is ultimately going to be for the giant landslide in snohomish county, just north of seattle, washington, this week. if rescuers worst fears are

realized. what happened on this site, it may rival mt. st. helens in terms of the human toll of that tragedy, it's been four days now since this hillside collapsed into the valley below. 49 homes were in the path of the landslide and are known to have been destroyed. 49 houses. a total of eight people were rescued from the scene on the first day. including this 4-year-old boy. you can see from footage taken from the helicopter, a 4-year-old boy, spotted by first responders wading through the muds alone. that little boy was saved, pulled to safety from above as you can see here, his father and three brother and sisters are all still missing. the rescue efforts have been heroic from the very first day at this disaster. now that we are at day five, in part it is the endurance of the rescuers who have been at it day after day that is part of their heroism now. they've been using tools that are both high-tech and very, very low tech. in some places even today they

are digging with their hands, rescue dogs are being used extensively to try to pinpoint locations where the dogs, they may be able to smell humans so human rescuers can come in and focus their digging efforts there. after some rescuers themselves had to be rescued from the mud on the first day of the landslide, there's been an intense focus on trying to move people around on site in a way that they can do the work of trying to find people without themselves becoming victims of the slide. they've used zodiac rafts on site. they've also used vehicles that are essentially like hover crafts. very sensitive high-tech listening devices as well as remote cameras so they can insert into small spaces so the cameras can look around even if the rescuers themselves can't get into the small spaces. to see if anyone is there. for all of the hundreds of people on site, for all the herculean effort that has been expended here, no one has been

found alive since the first day. on the first day, three people were pulled alive out of the air. three people were pulled out of the area and confirmed dead. five more bodies were pulled out the next day on sunday. six bodies were recovered on monday. yesterday two more bodies were recovered. one of the things that has been truly scary about this disaster, one of the things that has made it grow as a national story rather than recede since it happened has not only been the growing death toll in the disaster, the death toll stands at 16 confirmed dead, but it's also the expectation and the worry that that death toll may rise, and potentially that it may rise significantly. last night snohomish county rescuers reported that while they pulled 16 bodies, they spotted 8 others that they have not safely been able to recover. they will not add them to the total until they can safely remove them, but when that

happens, the total will be brought to 24, it's believed. there are missing people, who were in the area unaccounted for. the list started at 18, but it has steadily risen to where it stood earlier today, at 176. as of tonight, as of just moments ago, that number has now been revised down to 90. 90 people still considered missing. part of the emergency response to this disaster has been to tap law enforcement officers who have experience in missing person's cases. essentially to treat everybody on that list of 90 people as a missing person who can hopefully be identified alive and well somewhere. they're also trying to clear up any potential duplicate names on the list in the hopes that the looming and scary number of at least 90 people missing, they're hoping that that number can be brought way down.

there were 100 -- 49 houses known to be in the path of that wall of mud when it came down. the square mile that is the rescue and recovery scene, the place that they are searching that has been inundated with all of that earth, they say the rescue and recovery area, it's a square mile. they say it is covered at minimum in 15 feet of soil and mud and debris, at minimum. but a lot of the search area, the mud is 40 feet deep. that's the depth of a four story building, that's what they're searching. the local press in the pacific northwest has done an incredible job of documenting the rescue efforts so far, covering the heartbreak of the 16 people who are known to have been killed and the many dozens more who are feared lost. the local coverage has also increasingly turned to the question of why these 43 homes destroyed in the disaster were there in the first place, why people had been allowed to build their homes there.

this exact same spot on the river has seen landslides before, and not just once or twice. this is an aerial picture posted from the new york times that shows the still visible scene. this is before the landslide this weekend, in the before picture you can still see the visible scene from the last massive landslide on that hill which happened in 2006. before that slide, there was a huge landslide on the same mountain on the same bend of the river in 1967. before that there was another huge landslide there in 1951, before that, there was another huge landslide there in 1949, all at the same spot. in the 1950s, after the two first, big landslides. the seattle times reports that two state agencies in washington contracted with an engineering firm to study whether that landslide site would ever be safe. the engineering firm suggested there were a few things that may be done to shore up that bend in

the river. they concluded that any fix would likely be temporary. it's almost impossible from a practical standpoint to stabilize this slide. the slope will continue to slide. that was in the 1950s they said that. fast forward 50 years. in 1999, again, a report prepared by the u.s. army corps of engineers warned the potential for a large, catastrophic failure at this location. the following year, the year 2000, another expert offers a similarly dire warning fto the army corps of engineers, saying the slide area posed a significant risk to human lives and private property since human development of the flood plane in this area has steadily increased since the last major slide in 1967. then again, warned again in 2010, which was four years ago, a report prepared for the county, for snohomish county itself, warned that again this specific hillside area was one of the highest risk places in the whole county for destructive landslides.

and now just as it did four previous times in the last 65 years, the side of that mountain has come crashing down. in day five of searching for survivors, the immediate hope is still to try to find signs of life. the next stage will be to try to recover the dead. at some point this will have to be reckoned with as a failure of policy, for why those dozens of homes were there at all. given the repeated and emphatic due diligence that was done at the federal level, state level and local level, warning over and over and over again over a period of generations, warning that this was going to happen. joining us now is daniel miller, he's a geomorphologist which conducted the 1999 study on the landslide area for the army corps of engineers, the one that predicted a large, catastrophic failure at this site. thank you for being with us tonight.

>> you're welcome. >> obviously this is an ongoing tragedy. this is not over. we can't look back at it with hindsight except to those warnings. is it fair to characterize this as a site where it was repeatedly warned there would likely be future landslides? >> i think it's fair to characterize it that way, yes. >> the head of the snohomish county department of management told reporters monday in the midst of this disaster, the area was considered safe, that this all came out of nowhere. as far as you understand it, was it widely understood in the region that there had been these repeated warnings? >> i think anyone that had lived there very long was aware of these landslides. all of the people that i worked with there were quite aware of these landslides. i don't think that anybody had any idea that something of this magnitude could occur? >> when you described the potential for a large,

catastrophic failure in your report in 1999, obviously you're speaking as a scientist and you mean that in the technical sense. i look at this as a laymen and think that's a large, catastrophic failure. are you saying you weren't imagining something on this scale? >> analysis that we did for that project suggested that there was a potential for very large volume of soil to fail from the western margin of the landslide. it suggested that it wasn't currently completely unstable, but that if conditions continue to evolve, that could be stabilized and fail. for that study, we were looking solely at the potential for sediment to the river. we didn't translate that then to an assessment of risk. that information was available. we just didn't take it to the next step. >> one of the things that has been raised by some of the residents of this area has expressed frustration saying that they did not feel

adequately warned about the risk here. one of the concerns that they have raised is that they say there's been a lot of logging, timbering on that mountain, and they believe that maybe that had something to do with causing this current landslide. is it reasonable to look at factors like that in terms of why this happened when it did? >> it's certainly reasonable. prior to 1999 study, we did another study in 1996 to examine the factors that affect that particular landslide. timber harvest was one of the things that we examined, and we certainly found that there's the potential that could have an effect. it's minor compared to other factors like erosion of the toe and erosion of the body of the landslide by streams. it's certainly a potential effect. >> as a scientist, when you look at phenomena like this, and when you look back at the history of the particular site, do you think there's a reasonable

public policy case to make that governments should use the kind of data that you provided for example, to say that this area will be zoned in such a way that it's not fit for human has been taking, this should be left as an area that's considered to be inherently unstable and humans should not put themselves in risk in living in an area like this? >> that is a reasonable response. if someone asked me that two weeks ago, it might have been -- i might have given a different answer. i mean, you described with what happened with mount st. helens, we've chosen to live in a dynamic landscape, so we've all chosen to accept a certain level of risk in our lives. i live in seattle and i know that at some point we're going to be struck by a very large earthquake and that's going to have devastating consequences as well.

i work to quantify these risks. i think we do have the responsibility to ensure that everyone is aware of the level of risk of the consequences of something happening so that they make informed decisions about the risk that they take. i'm not -- we're not successful in communicating all this information in this case. that is something we need to improve on, i think. >> dr. daniel miller of the earth systems institute as a san francisco native, somebody who's house in new york city was flooded with 14 feet of water, talking about living with risk is something that i absolutely empathize with, sir. thank you for helping us understand this. thank you. a lot of other news around the world tonight. a banner day for people who root out political corruption. the breaking news we had tonight in snohomish county, the terrifying list of 176 people still missing in the very unfortunate and deadly landslide

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he served two terms in congress, he now works here on msnbc. he has a show that airs weekends called taking the hill i think it's an honor he works here. the first iraq war veteran to make it to congress, where he used his time to congress to try to end the war and try to help people who served in it. now here is the first iraq war veteran in the senate, his name is john walsh, he's being sworn in a few weeks ago as the newest member of the united states senate . he was appointed to take the seat vacated by max baucus. he was awarded a bronze star, served in the montana national

guard for three decades. john walsh was appointed to the senate seat. come november he's going to have to fight to keep it. karl rove's campaign started running ads against him the day he was appointed. even though john walsh is the incumbent senator from montana the candidate running against him already has four times the money. john walsh doesn't have the luxury of just campaigning for what is going to be a hard fight to hold on to that seat. he's a brand spanking new serving senator, as such and as the first ever iraq war veteran to serve in the united states

senate, he is introducing new major legislation tomorrow, it's a bill to up suicide prevention efforts for american veterans. the va estimates that the number of veterans committing suicide is up to 22 every day. they say the pace of suicide is even higher among veterans under the age of 30. that's iraq and afghanistan veterans. iraq and afghanistan veterans are lobbying intensively on the issue of suicide this week in washington, they're at the pentagon, at the va, on capitol hill, tomorrow they will be announcing the introduction of this new bill alongside senator walsh, alongside the only person in the united states senate who knows exactly what the veterans of those wars lived through, because he himself lived through it too. joining us now is senator john walsh of montana, thank you very much for being with us. it's nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. thanks for having me. >> why this issue? you haven't been in the united

states senate very long. it has to be a major priority for you to move so quickly on this issue? >> well, rachel, this is very personal to me, like you mentioned. i commanded an infantry battalion in iraq. when our unit came home, i had a young soldier who died by committing suicide. this is a personal issue. and you also mentioned that we have 22 veterans that are dying of suicide each day. so we have an epidemic in this country that needs to be solved and i want to solve that problem. >> it is hard to think of suicide as having a public policy solution. i think a lot of issues like this, it's hard to get your head around what can be done from a public policy perspective to solve a problem that seems so personal. this bill is fairly comprehensive. it takes seven different approaches to try to tackle it. what do you think is the most

important thing in the bill, what do you think works or could most be done to prevent suicide among veterans. >> we have a shortage of mental health care providers. we opened a brand new facility in montana, right next to our va hospital. we couldn't open it for over a year, because we didn't have the health care providers available. so we need additional health care providers in this country to help us deal with this problem. >> i know you have not been in the senate all that long, even those of us who haven't been there, aren't very optimistic about the senate's capacity to create new policy. when you talk to other senators about these ideas, now that these have been imploded and you're going to introduce this bill tomorrow. are you getting push back on any of the components of the bill? do you see this as a matter that's controversial or hard fought? >> i think my colleagues will realize we do have a problem and will join me in wanting to solve the problem, because we have veterans all over this country.

this is not a partisan problem. this is a problem that we have, and we have to deal with it. >> senator walsh. we think of veterans as having enormous political capital. we think of veterans as being a nonpartisan and noncontroversial issue where all americans believe we ought to do right by our veterans, we ought to say that. as a veteran yourself and seeing groups like va, do you think that veterans in washington get more than lip service. do they get listened to? i feel like i talk to veterans. they're happy to have the thank yous and to have to sort of plot it, it doesn't always translate to policy. >> you have to take a look at what our men and women have sacrificed. not only the men and women, but their families, they sacrificed a great deal for this country. they were willing to put their lives on the line. i think this country owes them a great deal of gratitude. we need to show them by making sure the benefits they earned are there for them and their families. >> john walsh of montana

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>> is it going to be hard when you're no longer president and people stop letting you win at basketball? >> how's it like having a three inch vertical. >> it's a three-inch horizontal. i think you should make same-sex divorce illegal. then see how much you want it. >> what makes you think if you had a son he would want to play football? what if he's a nerd like you. >> do you think michelle would say i'm a nerd? ask her. >> can i? >> no, i'm not letting you talk to her. >> that was a stunt to get people to go to healthcare.gov. the deadline for people to sign up for coverage this year is monday. this upcoming monday. and the total number of people

signed up by then will be a crucial sign of the law's success. also, it will always be a footnote about the success of that law that one of the ways the president got lots of young people to sign up for health coverage at the end was by doing this skit where he repeatedly insulted zach galifianakis. president obama is not a particularly jocular guy. his personality is that he's basically kind of reserved. so there's not that many instances on record of him insulting people. this one happened before he was president. this one, i've got to say, i was never sure he meant what he said as an insult, even though that's definitely the way it came out. >> what can you say to the voters of new hampshire on this stage tonight who see the resume and like it but are hesitate on the likability issue. they seem to like barack obama more? >> well, that hurts my feelings. >> i'm sorry, senator. i'm sorry.

>> but i'll try to go on. he's very likable. i'll agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough, hillary. >> i appreciate that. >> i'm not sure she did appreciate that. but i don't think he meant it like an insult. not like when he unleashed on the most famous real estate tycoon. >> donald trump is here tonight. now, i know that he's taken some flak lately, but no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. and that's because he can finally get back to focusing on

the issues that matter, like did we fake the moon landing? what really happened in roswell? and where are biggie and tupac? >> president obama at the white house correspondent dinner in 2011. two years later, it was also at the white house correspondent dinner 2013 when the president saved a special poke in the eye for the top republican in the united states senate. >> some folks still don't think i spend enough time with congress. why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell, they ask? really? why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell. >> president obama does not frequently insult people, but when he does, and he's able to do it in a joking way, he seems to enjoy it. in talking about mitt romney in

2013, the president almost seemed to enjoy it a little too much. >> he said that he's very supportive of this new budget. and he even called it marvelous, which is a word you don't often hear when it comes to describing a budget. it's a word you don't often hear generally. so here's what this marvelous budget does. >> and he cracks himself up. the barack obama presidential insult is a weapon that is very infrequently used, but it is used with relish when he does it, by our otherwise rather reserved, rather formal president. and our president just did it again. the president's trip to europe

continues this week. yesterday on that trip an abc news reporter asked president obama about the aforementioned marvelous mitt romney and mitt romney's claims during the presidential campaign that america's number one geopolitical foe is russia. now that russia is behaving so abominably, was mitt romney right? >> in right of recent developments, do you think mitt romney had a point when he said that russia is america's biggest geopolitical foe, if not russia, who? >> with respect to mr. romney's assertion that russia is our number one geopolitical foe, the truth of the matter is that america has got a whole lot of challenges. russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors, not out of strength but out of weakness.

ukraine has been a country in which russia had enormous influence for decades since the breakup of the soviet union. and, you know, we have considerable influence on our neighbors. we generally don't need to invade them in order to have a strong, cooperative relationship with them. the fact that russia felt compelled to go in militarily and lay bear these violations of international law indicates less influence, not more. >> president obama yesterday in the netherlands explaining that russia is basically a gnat on the butt of an elephant. calling russia, merely a regional power that does not rise to the level of a major challenge for the united states. saying that vladimir putin's actions should be condemned.

in brussels president obama made that point again in a formal address. and he made the point in an even more pointed way. >> understand as well, this is not another cold war that we're entering into. after all, unlike the soviet union, russia leads no bloc of nations, no global ideology. >> president obama saying today this isn't another cold war in part because russia is not important enough to fight another cold war with. the keenest kremlin watchers that i have spoken to during this whole russia crisis, people who have been trying to figure out vladimir putin's next move, the things you hear now is how vain putin is. how he values his image and the image of his strength above all else. that's where he's most vulnerable. now our president is mocking vladimir putin's weakness and deride poor little russia as a regional power with no standing as an international force. what will this do in practical terms?

we have no idea yet. but nonmilitary war is not an economic one, it's very clearly a psychological one as well. that part of the battle is officially joined. howard dean has just returned from ukraine and he'll join with us a first-hand report. also, what is being called the most promising lead yet in the search for the missing malaysia airliner. president obama wrapped up a major foreign policy speech on russia in ukraine. >> the only set speech of his tour. >> to form a united front against russia. >> for its land grab in ukraine >> the president g