whether that information clarifies everything, i don't know. i think the source of this information coming from a law firm that is hired by the governor makes i the less than unbiased. >> we have a lot of reading to do tomorrow. alfred p. dublin gets the last word. can we find the black box? let's play "hardball." good evening. let me start tonight with this spotting by a french satellite of 122 objects in the south indian ocean. in the 2 1/2 week search this is being called the best chance so far to answer with finality the course and ultimate crash site of the disappeared malaysian airliner. could this lead searchers to the so-called black box? telling us as only it now can the final life of flight 370.

tom costello. what do you make of the 122 objects spotted by the french satellite? >> it's the best they've got. we are in day 19 now of the missing aircraft. these are the images. to the untrained eye like you and me this looked difficult to discern what we are talking about here. white specks. it is through the cloud cover. they have now identified 122 different pieces. the biggest one they believe is about 75 feet long. now, you may recall that a couple of days ago or last week we have the satellite images from china and also from australia suggesting they saw a big piece about 75 feet long. so there is some consistency here. we are in the general area. this is an important area to remember. we are at 90 degrees or so

longitude and 44 degrees east on the latitude. why is that important? those are the same general coordtinates we have had debris sighting for the last week or so. ship assets and air assets trying to spot with their eyes what we have seen on the satellite. this is not easy because the images were taken on sunday. since sunday we have had a cyclone move through here with waves 30 to 50 feet. it has turned up all of this water. now the search teams are moving back out into very, very rough water. white caps. the or thing to keep in mind here is that this new smaller search zone which is within the big one, the smaller search zone concentrating on now is about the size of denver. so imagine flying over all of denver and trying to keep an eye out for 122 small floating

pieces or something that may be about the size of a shed roof. it is a huge challenge. >> again, i'm not an expert. you are much more than i am in this regard. do we know what else floats in the ocean? when you said 122 objects that does compel us that this might be it. especially in the area where the fuel ran out and the experts said this is where it ended up. we have a lot of coincidence here of the geography, fuel running out and pings giving out and now the wreckage. could it be something else floating in the ocean besides the plane? >> absolutely it could be. we have clusters here. and the clusters suggest debris field. that is what they have been hoping for, that they would find something clustered together to suggest there is more than just a piece or two. as you suggest there is so much garbage and trash floating. something else interesting. you remember i gave you the

latitude and longitude, 90 by 44. this area in here is called the roaring 40s. why? 44 degrees as i mentioned on the latitude. and it is incredibly turbulent and feeds into the southern ocean which circles the entire globe. it is entirely possible, say the experts, that something can flow through this and get caught up in the current and go around and around and around the globe and never hit land. if it hit any land maybe peru. so we are in this situation where we talk about the -- we are losing time here because the pingers on the battery -- the batteries on the pingers are about to die within about a week or so. they want to find the black boxes but don't want to lose the debris from being pulled into another ocean and literally around the world. one last point that is important is winter is fast approaching. the days are getting shorter.

that means the ocean is going to get rougher. they had one good day of searching. it will get bad for the next days. >> winter is coming in the southern hemisphere. what do we have in terms of the ability of us to get to the black box? is it american assets? whose assets can find the little box in orange there to the right? >> the americans have great expertise with dropping these submersible robots, if you will, to kind of do a lawn mower action along the bottom of the ocean. we also have this pinger locater. it is listening for the pinger. you have literally got to be on top of this black box. you have to be on top of it to hear the pinger. it is going to be distorted by the different thermal layers in the ocean. they have cold layers and different layers in the ocean. this is a huge challenge and

they make the point, if we are talking about the size of denver you can't run a pinger locater over the entire metropolitan depths of denver. talk about a needle in the hay stack they don't have the hay stack yet. and then the same thing with the submersibles. they need to isolate the area they need to focus on and then bring in the submersibles and the pinger locater. >> let's get back to the pilot. the fbi director has been analyzing that simulator that we have been talking about for the last 2 1/2 weeks. what will we learn from the simulator and the deletions from it? >> the fbi is assisting malaysians on the forensic analysis on the computer hard drives. some files were deleted. that may have been normal house keeping.

they are hoping to learn more about what either one of them may have been planning if anything. did they take out an insurance policy, e-mails, practice flying in a simulator that took them off the end of the world. they are looking for anything and everything. at this point they have nothing. nothing to suggest that there is anything in the background that would lead them to fly the plane to the bottom of the world. >> here is the head of the fbi. he told the congress the analysis could be completed very soon. here he is testifying. >> i have teams working literally around the clock to try to exploit that. i don't want to say more about that in an open setting but i expect it to be done fairly shortly within a day or two to finish that work. >> tom costelo let's bring in daniel rose. what do you have -- what is your

thinking when you listen to tom's report there? where are you at when thinking of what happened here? >> i think tom brings up very good points about the wreckage field if it ends up being the debris field being a very strong fact in this investigation. if nothing else it tells us tragically that there likely weren't survivors. it is still a big if. we have been inundated with facts for over two weeks now and almost three weeks where some have proven to be inaccurate and have been looking at satellite images for the better part of two weeks now that really haven't come to fruition in terms of validating that is actually the aircraft wreckage. once we have that and hopefully we will soon we still need to go back and back track to figure out where that aircraft impacted

the water because that debris field if that is what it is floated and moved a great distance in the last two weeks. we have a lot of work ahead of us. >> philip woods mother gave a rather emotional interview. he is, of course, one of the victims of the flight disaster. she spoke with kxas in dallas. the last time she saw him she describes it and the horrible thoughts. we can imagine as parents what his last moments were like on that plane. >> don't ever forget to hold close the people you love. i certainly -- god gave me that opportunity last week. i guess the greatest fear of a mother and i can't let my mind go there too much -- is what happened on the plane. >> that is when we go back trying to figure out what the seven hours were like where everybody was dead or whether there was life activity or human

involvement in the decision to change the course so radically. >> let's assume the passengers were not aware that anything was wrong. and as many of them fall asleep on the way to beijing. they are about to land at 6:15 in the morning and they are not landing. they look out the window and are still over an ocean. you wonder if they were getting concerned about the plane going on and on over the ocean. we know that the last transmission from the plane was at about 8:15 or 8:19 in the morning. we don't know when exactly the plane went down but sometime they believe between 8:11 a.m. and 8:19 a.m. one important point is it possible anybody could have

survived a crash if they came in at 300 miles per hour or so or 400 to 500 miles per hour based on cruising altitude and auto pilot. almost every expert says you would not survive. this plane would have immediately disintegrated into a million pieces and nobody would have survived impact let alone sitting out there on the south indian ocean. >> you can just imagine what philip woods mother is thinking. more on the search of the black box. as tom costelo told us time is running out on the pings. blinded by the right. he was dedicated to bringing down bill clinton. david brock, the former self-professed hit man has turned attention to helping elect hillary clinton president. donald brumesfield criticizing

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welcome back to "hardball." the search for answers in the southern indian ocean continued today with a dozen aircraft scouring the water for the missing jet. the goal is finding the plane's black box. time we are hearing is running out. battery life on the box only lasts about 30 days. within another week or two our chances of finding it will be diminished, no more pings. u.s. military equipment sent over special equipment today designed to detect the pings from the black box from up to 20,000 feet.

and expert told the "washington post" this is really uncharterered territory. usually have plenty of data to work with, black boxes, voice recorders. he joins us now. aviation expert pilot and attorney. joel, thanks for joining us. i love people that can learn things quickly and put them together in simple basic understandable english. all hopes lie with the black box. is it a reasonable bet that a needle in a haystack is nothing compared to the indian ocean. the ocean is turbulent. the waves are high. it is getting cold. winter is coming on in that hemisphere. what are the hopes? >> this is a very daunting search. as far as the likelihood that they find this plane, this is a

challenge. this is more like a needle in a hayfield. the story we wrote today made the pointt that although they have the corridor, the southern corridor where they think the plane flew depending on the speed of the plane you get very large differences in the outcomes of the calculations. hundreds of miles of difference. i heard today is that broad search area is really like the size of alaska. so you've got these autonomous vehicles down there that go under the water and can listen for the ping but they only can hear it a mile or two in either direction. so someone said it is like mowing the entire state of alaska with a tractor that is a mile wide but only goes about three miles per hour. it is going to be a very slow andardious search. i think they will have to get lucky. >> i remember the great explorer discovered the titanic and the

enterprise, the aircraft carrier. he pointed out that you have to get maps to get close enough for the electronic stuff to wunchlth a mile away for the electronics to work for the pinging to be picked up? >> if they can narrow the search area a little bit that would be a great boost for this search. right now they have looked at the satellite data. really it is just this doppler shift in the frequency of the pings coming back from the plane. no one has found a plane or vessel like this before. it gives you a general direction it flew in if they can somehow refine that analysis and say it is not the size of alaska and more the size of new jersey, something like that then you have a better chance of finding

it. the other issue is the debris. if you find the plane debris on the surface and we have reports of debris but we don't know if it is connected at all to this case. if you do find the debris you can probably get some sense of how the currents may have taken the debris from where the plane actually went down. >> let me ask you a primitive question. why don't they make the black box floatable? these planes go down. that is why we are looking for the black box. they go down in the water. if they went down on land we would find them. the only reason to have black box over water is way down in the bottom of the ocean unless there is a floater on it. why don't they make it so it can float to the surface? >> that might be a good idea, some type of ejection system that ejects the black box. the black box which is really an orange box people know it contains all of the parameters of the plane function, health of the engines, pressurization, hundreds of data about the

airplane. >> where is it? >> it is right in the back in the tail. they put it back there because the tail is the least likely place to sustain an injury in any type of crash. they find that's the best and most protected place to put it. they make the box as crash worthy resistant as possible. so it needs to be in the very, very safe, secure place. one of the things it contains, too, is the last 30 minutes of voice transmissions between the crew that happened in the cockpit. that is important, as well. >> let me go back to joel. i'll go back to you in a moment michael. what has been the track record

of finding black boxes or orange boxes in this case in situations of the deep ocean where you are talking two or three miles deep? >> you look at the air france case which is the closest analogue to this one. it took them two years to find it. it was incredibly challenging search. but in that case unlike this one they did have something to go on. first of all, the air france plane was transmitting some signals through the automatic system when it was in distress and when it was going down. this case is so baffling because all of these different systems that are supposed to make the plane visible in some way or link it to civilization in some way, they all went down as though they had been intentionally turned off or through some catastrophe. and there has never been -- i talked to someone today who does these investigations. this is the greatest mystery ever in aviation history.

>> what about the new ping where after the last full ping there was a partial ping or partial handshake. there was a little bit more information. what do you make of the latest half ping? >> every hour when the ground station is getting no data from the plane it sends out a ping saying are you there and the plane sends back a signal saying we are still logged on to the network. there is no data going back and forth. there is just the ping. we are here. 8:11 a.m. malaysian time was the last full computer handshake. eight minutes later there is some evidence for a partial handshake. i'm sorry to say that we have no explanation for what that is or what it means. that is something we are pushing on right now in our news room. >> can you add to that? >> joel expresses it well. it took two years to find the

air france black box and we knew where air france went. that water where air france crashed is shallow in comparison to this water. this is three times as deep. so finding -- we don't know if that debris is connected with the aircraft. if we do it will put it within thousand of square miles. the only way to get down there is with robotic searches. robotics only move about 1 knot which is about 1.15 miles per hour and they have thousands of miles to comb. so and that is with the hope that the thing is still pinging and that is only about another ten days. they did have the air france black box after the pinging stopped. but we knew pretty much where that plane went. that was easy in comparison to this. there is a good chance this will never be found. we maintain our hope but there is a good chance it will never be found. >> i'm with tom costelo.

great reporting for the "washington post" as always. we'll be right back after this. >> now we predict they are 5 or 6 kilometers away from the crash site. once they find the debris and identify it we have to go back to where the crash site would be to be able to search for the wreck site which is at the bottom of the ocean.

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back to "hardball." time for the side show. chris christie hasn't exactly kept a low profile since the bridge scandal erupted. recently jimmy fallon noticed something different about the jersey governor which he explained last night.

>> new jersey governor chris christie has lost over 100 pounds since having lap band surgery. [ applause ] it's a pretty big loss for my monologue. since we made fat jokes i thought it would be fair to celebrate by making chris christie thin jokes. chris christie has gotten so thin when he stands on the bridge he only blocks one lane of traffic. three high profile candidates senate. the gaffs may prove difficult to overcome. first republican scott brown. the former massachusetts senator close to running again this time in neighboring new hampshire. he is facing charges of carpet bagging since he only moved to the state last december. when the associated press asked

about his ability to represent the people of new hampshire he gave this response. do i have the best credentials? probably not because you know whatever. i have long and strong ties to the state. here is an obvious tip for any candidate seeking office, whatever is never a good answer to a serious question. next is bruce braley. we showed you video that surfaced from a january fundraiserer held with trial lawyers in texas. take a look. >> you might have a farmerer from iowa who never went to law school, never practiced law serving as the next chair of the senate judiciary committee. if democrats lose the majority chuck grassley will be the next chair.

>> not a smart move from a guy who wants to win in iowa, the third most agricultural state. next is senator mitch mcconnell. on tuesday his campaign posted a video that was meant to show the university of kentucky's basketball team but mistakenly used a clip of duke's basketball team instead. only on screen for a second. take a look at the freeze frame there. discerning basketball fans immediately noticed the irony of the error that mcconnell snubbed the wildcats in favor of the hated blue devils. looks like mcconnell is losing home court advantage. up next working to get hillary clinton elected president. he joins us next. you are watching "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] brace yourself for xfinity watchathon week,

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welcome back to "hardball." david brock came to prominence as the right wing enemy of bill and hillary clinton. his purpose in life seemed to be destroy the clintons.

last night he returned to little rock, arkansas delivering an address called countering the culture of clinton hating. let's watch. >> i was part of what hillary clinton would later call the vast right wing conspiracy. when plus clinton made that remark back in the late 1990s insiders scoffed but she was right. the people i was working with them, they were after the clintons. we were and i was. >> in a twist of fate brock runs a well-funded empire whose mission is to shield the clinton's. he tried to bring the clintons back but is working to return them to the white house.

david brock is chairman and founder of american bridge. i have always wondered at you. i wonder this. hillary clinton, both of us were young libitarians in our teens and because of civil rights and profound events moved to the center left. how did you do it so dam rr fast to go from a clinton hater to a clinton lover. what happened so quickly to you that made you change? >> i was involved in some things i'm not proud of in the early clinton years in 1993 and 1994 period in the arkansas project trying to dig up dirt on the clintons. i then did research on a book on hillary clinton.

i went into the book with a very negative agenda. but i learned a lot about hillary clinton as i worked on that book. really the person who cares about people. >> what did you think she was? we all knew that she was very focused from the time we ever heard of her on women and children issues. always concerned about policy and things like that. what did you think she was interested in before you came to this discovery about her? what was your view of her? >> i was in what the conservative movement believed. at the magazine i worked for "the american spectator" she was on a cover called "the lady macbeth of little rock". she was seen as ruthless and out for herself. there was a lot of what end up

being empty scandal politics at the time. >> white water was nothing. >> there was the notion of financial fraud. and i never subscribed to some of the more outlandish things. the bottom line is i didn't have to spend the $80 million that ken star spent to look at white water in my book on hillary to see that there really was nothing there. >> tell me about the clintons as people that you were after and now are with and how they have responded to your conversion, if you will. >> this was interesting to me because in a way the experience i had with the clintons much later in later years validated a lot of what i wrote about hillary clinton in the book when we first encountered each other after thet battle days, if you will.

they were very gracious about my conversion. they gave me a really precious s gift of forgiveness. and so back when i wrote the book about hillary clinton and i did see the good person i could vouch for that in my own personal testimonial now. back in the 1990s had there been some of the kinds of organizations that push back on misinformation on the right wing you might have a different outcome to some of the scandals. >> you are very focused on the clintons and i appreciate that given your past. i'm looking at whether mike decaucus could use you or swift voting of john kerry. this very tough beyond war room approach you take which is almost like sdi, don't shoot missiles at us because we knock you out of the sky.

tell us about that approach to political fighting. >> i think you are absolutely right that certainly we saw what happened to al gore when the republican national committee was able to put words in his mouth and what they did with john kerry. that was sort of one of the fundamental principles when we started the work we do was that those kinds of charges would not remain unanswered. it was modelled a little bit on the 1992 clinton war room. we run a war room now where we in real time answer all of these charges, combat the falsehoods and try to get the truth out to voters who there is still an enormous capacity for those folks to be misled. there was something special i think that went on in the clinton years and i talked about this in the past couple of days. so there was a very hard fought campaign in 1992. what happened is after the conservatives lost they never really accepted the legitimacy of bill clinton's election.

and so they tried to overturn it right away. that was something i think unique, something different and that is what hillary clinton was talking about when she referred to the vast right wing conspiracy. >> what about the offense you play? you don't just do defense. we went over the facts of the bridge gate scandal. you were going after christie? this seems like preemptive war rather than defensive. >> our project is focused on defending potential democratic nominees in 2016 and that is largely centered around hillary clinton. in american bridge we do research and video tracking on a whole range of republican candidates. we stick to the public record. we cross every t and dot every i. we are trying to educate people on folks' record. we go out and we tape events that we can get into. when we have a piece of tape

where people define a gaff put that out there. >> the gaff is when you say what you believe. >> we are going to be watching you. you are going to be a figure to watch in this campaign coming up. good luck in your efforts, david brock. donald rumsfield was the architect in the worst foreign policy in recent history. that is not stopping him from blasting president obama on afghanistan. this guy should go back to bed. this is "hardball," place for politics.

tomorrow president obama will have his much anticipated first meeting with pope francis. the president will travel to rome and meet the new pope at the vatican. the focus will be an issue near and dear to both gentlemen, income inequality. the pope has made helping the poor the top agenda in his papacy. we'll be right back.

welcome back to "hardball." tomorrow night we are going to get a first look at the new documentary about donald rumsfield known and unknown which digs deeper on his decision of iraq war. tonight rummy joins the hate obama machine.

he attacked after afghan's president hamid karzai threw his support behind vladimir putin. >> our relationship with karzai and afghanistan was absolutely first-rate in the bush administration. it has gone down hill like a toboggan ever since the obama administration came in. now, take for example the fact that we have status of forces agreement probably with 125 forces of the world, this administration, the white house and the state department has failed to get a status of forces agreement. a trained ape could get a status of forces agreement. >> a trained ape. we will get more on that in a minute. not to be outdone, mitt romney attacked the president and hillary clinton for supposedly not standing up to putin. here is romney.

>> i would not have given russia the gifts that secretary clinton and president obama gave russia. this whole reset with the smiling pictures of them pressing a button, it's like, are you kidding me? don't you understand that russia has different -- putin has different interests than america, and they will pursue those interests, and the best way to keep them from pursuing those interests is by being a strong and powerful nation that can stand up to them. weakness only leads to other people taking advantage of you. that's what leads to situations like ukraine. >> my word is shame. first of all, romney doesn't know about foreign policies. all he ever talks about is as a businessman to run the country -- rumsfeld should shut up. rumsfeld took us into a war, he

led us into the war, misled us, convinced the american people who weren't paying enough attention that somehow saddam hussein had attacked this country on 9/11. he comes out with his bedroom slippers on and makes a phone call to greta van susteren. he doesn't even -- i don't know where he's calling from many why don't they just go away? >> before the war, rumsfeld said, a trained ape knows where the wmds are. they realize they messed up. >> did they read your book? >> i hope they did, they probably didn't. they are so rooting. so rooting for an obama screw upto make them look less bad. >> how can you -- not even the economic goals.

if there was any rationale, i mean, in terms of objective achievements. did they achieve anything? >> no, both the examples you cite here, romney and rumsfeld. it's personal vindication thereafter. >> romney still has a thing about having been embarrassed in the debate in russia by president, who really dogged him on russia, and he's apparently carried this all this time. and rumsfeld is looking for -- >> i'm not saying they're racists. but this weird reference to trained apes, what is that? what is that? >> you know, the fact that he said it before, in a different context does not remove the racial connotation from saying it about the first african-american president. >> he's saying it -- >> the image in his head is obama, i guess, and he's thinking, how much could i smear whatever.

>> words do -- the context in which words are -- >> apparently it's like you said, one of rumsfeld's favorite phrases. here it is, he's used it time and again. including this infamous line in 2002 that david just mentioned, this is when he was bringing up support for the war on false pretenses. here he is, there's no debate in the world as to whether they, in iraq, have those weapons of mass destruction, we all know that. a trained ape knows that. what kind of thinking is this? what kind of talk is this? >> you look at what he said then and now. what he's basically doing is saying, i'm smart, we're smart. >> nobody else knows anything, this thing is so obvious, it's not that there are policy disagreements, that someone could be wrong in an inappropriate or misguided way, no, obama is dumb. people who raise questions back in that team period were below the level of a trained ape. so what they're -- it's sort of the --

>> let me -- with all the inference of our foreign policy. i'm so proud of the president saying, this is not a second cold war. this is a problem with the wreath familiar power. we're not going back to hiding under our school desks and don't talk like that. >> don't talk like that for a good reason. one of the reasons the russians are so prickly at this point. from their point of view, they see the west as having been quite aggressive since the end of the cold war, first of all, proclaiming victory and pushing nato further east. you know, and again, sure support nato. show me the serious foreign policy analysts who believe nato ought to be up against russia's border in ukraine. you can't find that. >> they want to push it to the point where the purpose of data was to defend us against the east block.

>> what it is -- you tell people, the russians. the reason we have this is you. we're coming right up to your chin. >> i think we haven't had since the end of the cold war a debate or conversation about whether we should have nato or not. the only guys that brought it up in any of the debates was ron paul. why do we have all these basis and -- >> of course they do, but it's actually a serious question, and if you just say -- >> you and i understand the love of the cold war. do they want another one? >> i said to romney, he doesn't know much, but he's talking about -- >> the interesting thing about romney is, he won't talk about what needs to be done now. all he says is obama got us into this mess. >> we were lucky to survive the cold war, who wants it back? >> john mccain. >> david korn, thank you so much. we think alike. i try to think as well as you. we'll be right back, i'm just a trained ape.

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course on foreign policy. if he ever said anything of importance about the world beyond his latest business venture, it's hard to remember it. as for rumsfeld, please, he and cheney got this country to attack a sovereign iraq at a cost of 186,000 dead. he and his cohorts did this with no measurable advantage to the united states. not economically or morally. who are we to judge or preach to russia about honoring another country's sovereignty after the laughable excursion we took in the year 2003, when the leaders convinced this country we were reaping revenge for 9/11 by attacking a government that had nothing to do with 9/11. donald rumsfeld, put your bedroom slippers back on and go back to bed and leave it up to those looking for some kind of peace.

that's "hardball" for now, thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, tonight conservatives are beside themselves with outrage and exasperation over the news the obama administration will allow americans who have begun to apply for coverage on healthcare.gov but have not finished to have extra time to complete that process, here is how fox news greeted the announcement. >> we are getting reports now that the white house has just announced a new extension for health care signups. how about that. >> wait a minute. wasn't that the one deadline they said they could never move? >> unfortunately it is the continuation of lawlessness from the administra.