kohler will make your reality a dream. the names you may not have noticed in the chris christie meeting and what you need to know about the internal investigation. this is the moment in the scandal when chris christie hopes to put bridgegate behind him. on thursday, the internal investigation ordered by his administration paid for by new jersey taxpayers and conducted by the same lawyer hired to represent the governor's office on related matters, that review, not surprisingly, cleared his name. friday, yesterday, governor christie held a press

conference. that briefing left many unanswered questions. we begin this morning with a moment in that conference room that passed by too quickly for most to notice. when he was asked how they could not have known or suspected there was something fishy about it until months after the fact. he responded by giving a time line of the event that is included this. >> if first time this came into my conscious is the wall street journal of october 1 or 2, somewhere in that neighborhood, when executive director foye leaked the memo to the newspaper he had written weeks later. >> again, he said it very quickly then said more, a lot more over the next hour or so. what you heard didn't get a lot of attention yesterday or overnight. let's dissect it. there's something very subtle and interesting about what christie casually asserted there. he said the manner of the lane

closures didn't enter his conscious until the story came out on october 1st from patrick foye, he's not appointed by christie. a memo written on september 13th by foye. in it, he stated he learned of the lane closures in ft. lee and ordered they be reopened. he called the closures hasty and ill adviced that had an adverse on economic activity in new jersey and new york and violates federal law and the laws of both states. that's what the wall street journal reported october 1 and that's what christie said put the issue on his radar. now, look closer at what he also said in that same sentence yesterday. that wall street journal story that first got his attention, it got his attention because, quote, executive director foye leaked his memo. christie asserted that as a simple fact.

the casual way he said it, it might have been a simple, undisputed fact. it isn't. it's never been established he leaked that memo to the wall street journal. foye insists he had nothing to do with the leak. here is what he said about it a month ago at a press conference. >> some believe that i leaked it. i didn't and i'm not looking for anything to transfer it. if i get it and i'm sworn in, i will testify i didn't do it. >> nor does the internal investigation of the christie administration conclude anywhere in the 360 pages that foye was behind the leak. here is the section recounting the journal story and you can see no mention of pat foye. yet, christie stood in front of national television cameras and accused foye of being the leaker. why would he say something like that so casually and confidently about pat foye? like a lot of things, when it

comes to the story, we don't know. we know one of christie's closest con fidants believes foe is a leaker and is upset because of it. this is what david samson, who resigned yesterday, what he wrote last september when another story cited sources who said the lane closures caused tension and come as a surprise to high ranking officials of the agency. i just read it and it confirms evidence of foye being the leak, stirring up trouble. samson wrote foye was, quote, playing in traffic. made a big mistake. that e-mail was sent around the same times last september that david wildstein, one of christie's other former employees when wildstein sent an e-mail to bridgette kelly to

reopen the lanes. samson helping us to retaliate is what it read. what did that mean? helping us to retaliate. taking actions to punish foye after the e-mail was sent? we know samson denied wrong doing and, well, that's all we know. david samson has not talked to the press since this began and declined to cooperate with the internal investigation. samson declined to cooperate. no one from christie's legal team talked about the e-mail last fall. the man who heads up the legal team dismissed questions about whether it makes it less definitive. >> again, what our report reflects, it was not about david samson or his conduct. he denied having prior knowledge in connection with the lane

closures. that was not -- he was not involved in the hoboken issue at all. >> christie took a similar approach yesterday. he said samson denied he had anything to do with the closures and that was good enough for the governor. >> that rang true to me at the time, not only because of david's reputation for honesty over the course of his entire career, but because of the role the chairman is not an operational role. his role is a policy role. i wouldn't expect david would be involved in a day-to-day operational issue like a traffic study. >> david samson resigned as chairman of the port authority. that was the announcement christie made in which he reiterated his faith in samson. >> i have every faith and trust and confidence in his integrity as do people on both sides of the aisle over the course of 40 years he's been involved on and off in public life.

>> it's entirely possible he didn't do any retaliating. he did play no significant role in the lane closures. it's possible as the report, the lawyers he hired concludes, christie was in the dark about the nature of the closures for as long as he says. if you want to know about the 48 hours and why they are filled with so much skepticism toward christie, the story is a perfect illustration why. here is a governor and a report he commissioned confidently asserting samson did no wrong even though he refused to cooperate with the investigation and the man who wrote the e-mail saying samson was helping to retaliate didn't cooperate, either. then this. david samson side the timing was right for him to resign something they were talking ability for months adding he's confident they will put new leadership in place at the port authority. christie, himself, said samson

decided to resign after reading the report and confirming the port authority needs to be overseen. why if it carried so much weight with samson? if it affected his thinking, why did he refuse to take part in it? to answer questions to share thoughts and documents. so much of what christie said yesterday, the report provides it definitive word of what christie now and when he knew it makes assertions and inferences about key players in the bridge scandal and they threatened to with hold sandy aid if they didn't go forward. the allegation may have firmly denied. christie is trumping that as an exoneration of him. there are so many unanswered questions. so many paths that failed to go down, wouldn't go down. then we got to see the scene

play out yesterday, expressing skepticism about david samson. christie swatting questions away. >> why don't you get to the question and cut the commentary back a little. can you get to it already? christine, stop. the premise of the question is so infirmed, i'm not answering it this is my press conference, not hers. i don't know if you aren't taking notes or not listening. i would love to say i missed you, but i didn't. >> let's talk about that. what new questions were raised and what happens from here. we'll talk about it with brian thompson, a reporter for wnbc in new york. he was listening and taking notes at the press conference yesterday. rolly is a republican member of the committee looking into the lane closures. bob is from the asbury bark

press. liz worked on then new jersey governor john correspon corzine committee. my main take away is that, as i said at the end there, it may be that christie, everything christie is saying about what he knew is true. but, this report was done to me in such a heavy handed way, beating you over the head with the conclusions it wanted you to reach. it ended up arousing more skepticism. that's the reason there was so much skepticism in the air. >> i was at the mastro news conference. where is the samson talk in here? one thing the governor probably doesn't appreciate or doesn't want to acknowledge and i don't know which one, he may be the only person with knowledge of the port authority of new york and new jersey who believes that

david samson had no operational role. anybody who works for the port authority who might be watching this show right now, steve, they will know when i say this because many of them have told me this. david samson was a hands on, in your face every day, what's going on chairman. that's why patrick foye, cuomo's appointed executive director, why he hates david samson so much. he was meddling in so many affairs. whether he was meddling in the bridgegate scandal before it happened, the lane closure decision, i have no idea about that. he was a hands on operational guy as much as a chairman can possibly be. >> hate is a strong word toward

david sam sonson. >> i apologize. despise. >> that sums it up. you have an accusation contain ing the e-mail in september that david samson is part of it. you have david samson confronted with finding out about the or confronted with pat foye finding out object the closures, not upset about the closures but upset that pat foye was upset about it. >> you get the impression this wasn't an objective study by an outside group of lawyers. it was more a report to throw under the bus the people we need to throw under the bus and support the things christie said in the past. i was trying to figure out why that section was in there about how to redo the port authority. what is that about? christie said samson resigned

because he's too old, i think is what the governor said in so many words. he says he realized after reading this report that somebody new needed to come in and bring into being those recommendations. you wonder, did they put that in there so samson would have an excuse for leaving? >> one thing i find ironic, everybody is beating up on the governor and the governor's office. the law firm saying there's this relationship that was a bought for report. meanwhile, if you look at the special investigation committee and the attorneys for that, jenner and block -- >> who? >> representing the committee, the legislative committee that is supposed to be impartial. they received $760,000 in legal fees from the new jersey state democratic party over the past decade. so, it's something whereby

everybody is going after the relationship governor christie may or may not have had with gibson saying it's impossible to be impartial but the report was bought for. on the investigation committee, the attorneys doing the quote unquote investigation into what transpired receive d $750,000. >> two questions i want to follow up on. you are on the committee. some republicans have begun to raise questions how they are handling themselves. are you making the case the law firm christie hired is capable of the investigation and the law firm by your committee no problem there, they are doing fine? >> i'm saying if you are comparing apples to apples and looking at the two things transpiring, you can't be in a glass house and say okay, this report is not something that we should look at because there is

a relationship there but yet the investigation and what our attorney is doing is perfectly fine, not with standing the fact they received $750,000 prior to being hired to do this. the chairman said they represented the redistricting committee. i'm not sure how it's really vent relevant. he said that in january. >> i mean, i think we have the u.s. attorney's report that is going to come out. i think we can all agree that u.s. attorney chris christie would have laughed tat report he released the other day. i think we can all agree or some of us can agree that this is a complete farce. doing an investigation into bridgegate without interviewing stepien and samson is like doing an investigation into watergate

without interviewing the important people. itis a joke. it's an expensive joke for new jersey taxpayers. >> let me give you an example. i taked about what i view as a heavy handed report. let me give you an example of what jumped out at me. page seven and eight of the report, they reveal one of the bombshell pieces of information. christie did have a conversation with david wildstein on 9/11 at the world trade center site. wildstein was meeting with a christie spokesman in december. wildstein suggested he mentioned the traffic you shall shoe at a public event. a reference the governor does not recall and even if actually made would not have registered with the governor because he knew nothing about it in advance and would not have required it

to be memorable. that strikes me as a heavy handed passage. it's not saying the governor claims this. it's coming out and asserting and using confident language that the governor doesn't recall it. it wouldn't have registered with him. it's very heavy handed. >> well, it's more like i do a radio show at 5:00 on fridays and this was, as you can imagine, the topic. somebody says, well, this is like a confection. it's like a novel. it really is. it's the tone. it's the word that is are used. it's hard to take it seriously. as an objective report trying to get to the facts. >> i guess, i was surprised because i don't think anybody in trenton, new jersey, anybody on the planet expected this was going to do anything other than exonerate christie. i thought it would be dressed up more. i thought it would look like an independent investigation.

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they can't make up facts. and i've read the report. every one of the factual assertions they make in the report is footnoted, end noted, backed up by evidence they got from interviews. that can't be manufactured. >> well, again, this brings us to the question of the september 11th meeting that david wild steen and chris christie

encountered or however you want to characterize it at the 9/11 site. what reports to be a factual assertion that christie would not have registered anything, does not recall the conversation, but that's not been established fully because we haven't heard from david wildstein. it's a conversation that took place from both of them. brian, i know you have pictures, photographs you provided to us this morning from that day. can you talk about that a little bit? >> is this show and tell? >> it is. when you have pictures like this. >> you have to wonder if randy msatro knows about this. randy wildstein on the right and bill baa rowny on the left. it's two days after the lane closures were under way. they are having a private

conversation. you don't see any of the thousands. there's david samson hugging the governor. thousands of people aren't coming up for autographs. it's these guys joined by a couple other staffers. there's the three. if the governor doesn't remember that, that's fine. does randy mastro know about these photos? he says there was only a few seconds for him to mention it if wildstein is to be believed. >> this becomes the central question because chris christie has a lot riding on it never been established than anything more took place. >> let me go back. i want to make another point. if we can go back to the photos, the third person in those photos is bill baroni. bill baroni was not really thrown under the bus in this mastro report. yeah, he kind of sold them this

traffic study, but they made it sound like baroni made it like a traffic study and it was wildstein's fault. if you get into my word versus his word, me being wildstein, who is the witness to what was said? bill baroni. >> "the new york times" story this morning looks at how it could be substantiated. the times report that mr. wildstein told me he informed mr. christie at the memorial the lanes were closed. then this. several people with the governor that day or observed him said he and the people accompanying him, all three of whom have resigned from the port authority and the agency's police superintendent had ample opportunity to speak

privately. there was a camper, a very hot day, an air-conditioned camper. all of them were in there together for an extended period of time. we have the pictures -- >> one shows the camper, too. >> they were in there for awhile. stk pictures are great and wonderful, good job in taking them, they don't prove anything. for all we know, they were talking about what they were having for lunch. >> true. >> even with respect to statements wildstein made to others that he conveyed to the governor that day about lane closures, there's been no allegation what so ever that anything was said about theal tier yor motive or this was done intentionally or that it's anything other than a traffic study where they closed some lanes. >> the one thing, this is why i say it was a heavy handed report that aroused suspicion it didn't have to. the reporter is so imfattic

saying this question didn't register on his radar. how, if he didn't interview wildstein or the other people in the pictures how can the report do that? >> it's plausible nobody will ever interview wildstein, stepien or kelly because of fifth amendment issues. the one thing people are say sg christie waved his fifth amendment right. governor christie has been interviewed and given unfettered access to his iphone, personal e-mail, text messages. so, you know, there's a certain level of credibility you have to give him because, you know, 70 interviews, 250,000 -- >> with a lead team that was retained by his office paid by the taxpayers. >> then again, the legislative

committee has a law firm that was bought and paid for by the democratic party for $750,000. >> i understand your point, but can you understand why people are skeptical about a report that it's not a law firm christie picked, but they obtained to rep seresent it. they are charged with investigating it and representing it. people look and say they are two hats you can't wear at the same time. >> what's interesting about the times story is yes, it raises questions about christie's conversations with wildstein, but you can't tell me this hands on governor had no prior knowledge of this. i talked to other governors and said if this happened in your state, what would you have done and would you have known? one, absolutely they would have known about it and two would

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i don't know whether i'm having a private immediating with sheldon and merriam or not. i'm speaking with the jewish community. i was invited to give a speech there. >> maybe chris christie doesn't know and still doesn't know if he's immediating with sheldon and merriam. he's on a first name basis with them. it's hard to believe he doesn't know if he's meeting with sheldon adelson. >> 93 million reasons to speak to him.

>> one of the richest republican donors. that's a small thing. bob, i wanted to ask you, the tone of that, this was combative christie, back in january, he was trying to be contrite christie. you have seen a number of press conferences over the past few years. what did you make of that tone? how different is that from what you have experienced and what was he trying to accomplish? >> going back to the good ole days. he got a good deal of publicity and support when he would take on reporters and justifiably. it looked like that's what he was doing. hey, everything is back to normal. i'm not concerned about this, that was a stupid question. >> do we all agree the timing of this had something to do with the las vegas trip? he's going out there with the presidential candidates. >> his mojo is back. he is back. yesterday, at the press

conference was -- it was the christie people fell in love with. i think that his confidence is back. he now looks at this as let's move forward. >> bob has a point, brian, you are one of the reporters he took a few swipes at yesterday. >> i used the term snake oil. i don't get it. >> in some ways -- >> i'm very tactful. >> you characterized him more kindly than christie has. the point, though, is kind of valid. it's easy to beat up on the press and score points with the conservative base. christie, unless somebody can come up with a piece of paper to contradict this is in a good place. >> holly is right, his mojo is back. he took a victory lap here. he's declaring, like in vietnam, we declare victory and leave. that's what many said we should

have done years ago. he declared victory and left, for las vegas in this case. >> right. >> that's, to me, that's the impression that he gave you and yeah, it's the old christie, the mojo christie. he's trying to put this behind him. >> i completely, completely disagree, respectfully disagree with all of you. i think he was bluffing and i think he was trying to bring back his old act to signal to people, hey, nothing to see here. i think everyone should look at that act skeptically. >> he acknowledged, too, he's calling this his exoneration and he wants to have it proceed. he acknowledged at one point this report would be tested and the u.s. attorney is looking into this. talk about the legislative committee. i keep saying the ball game is the u.s. attorney's office. we talk about how incomplete this investigation was, who they didn't get to talk to, what they didn't get to see. the u.s. attorney is not going to have a problem talking to who

he wants to talk to. >> he's right, it's going to be tested, that ee's right. >> it would be fatal to him in the event a different conclusion came out. that's why, to come out and be so confident as a former prosecutor, he has to have the confidence of what was in this report is correct because it's absolutely fatal to him otherwise. >> if there was another conclusion, it would be fatal to him now. >> right. >> if you say it now, you are done now. if you take a chance -- >> there's one more test this has to go through. he danced around it. that is, will all of the raw material that mastro got involved with, including the transcripts of the hours and hours be made available to your group and the u.s. attorney

general. he says he's essentially given up privilege now by turning all this material to randy mastro. he is not his client/relationship. he was hired to investigate. >> his firm was also retained -- it is in the report and the record, to represent the governor's office in dealings with the attorney general. they ran a chart of the principle players represented by mastro's firm. will they claim, could they claim it? >> he's not representing an individual. >> we are going to have much more on this later in the show, also tomorrow. for now, i want to thank bob, holly, brian and liz. we'll be back to talk about sex imand the christie report.

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senate races. recent study shows a dramatic change in voting patterns. age didn't used to effect who you vote for. as you can see here, the young and old voted the same way. in 2004, 18 and 19 yields voted more democrat. this partisan voting gap is the biggest in the modern era. millenials are more likely to call themselves liberal. there's a catch with that. young voters are in sync and don't see themselves as democratic at all. they are less likely to identify with a political party. if they don't see themselves as loyalists, how do they vote in an off year election. one is marijuana. a new poll out this week found ballot initiatives would make 69% of likely voters more

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millenial in terms of what is the first year and the cut off. wikipedia says there's no exact date. somewhere in the early '80s and the '90s. i'm a carter kid. i'm not a millenial. is anyone here a millenial? >> born in '81. >> you are a millenial. >> i think i am. >> i am. >> i'm 82. i'm the old guy here. i wanted to establish how old and frail i am. i'm glad i asked that question. david, i'll start with you. you are involved in the work of trying to get people around this table but not me, trying to get millenials out to the polls. that turnout gap, realistically, is there anything the democrats could do to make that go away or at least eat into it? >> i think it's important to note that it's not just young people that don't turn out for midterms. young people get a bad rap on

this, but people of all ages have a bad turnout. a key element, the thing that's proven to turn out young people is for politicians to go ask them for their vote. time and time again, politicians complain young people don't vote. rarely do they make a big effort to appeal to them and talk to them about the issue that is matter to them. we are talking marijuana. young people want to be talked to about all issues, education, jobs, health care and any issue on the table. politicians say they are interested in student loans. when you see people take young people and their concerns seriously, it leads to high turnout. president obama spent an incredible amount of time, more than any candidate in recent history, reaching out to young people and it paid off for him. a lot of them have to look at, are you willing to make that investment. if they do, it's rewarding. >> it's interesting to me. the question of the millenials

comes up, i hear people bring up marijuana. they think all you kids smoke pot. >> there's conflicting data on the impact of this. in colorado, oregon and washington, this was on the ballot last year. youth -- it was in 2012, youth participation rose five to 12 points from the 2008 levels compared to one point nationally. that suggests it does. the example in 2010 in california, marijuana was on the ballot and went down. youth vote was down. was this an animating issue to get them to the polls? >> the democrats have a long term problem they are trying to fix in the short term. they feel like they need to do something to get youth out to vote now. what's going to happen is as millenials get older and you

talked about it shapes them as they vote in the future. that's, you know, the other half of this generational thing. the demographic issue is that republicans base is old and dying and the liberal base is young and they are going to vote more. then the problem takes care of itself. they are flailing to come up with something to get the people to the polls. >> if you come up with something, marijuana or anything else to get young people to the polls, guaranteed they are going to vote democratic up and down the ballot? there's a pew study that came out and overall paints them as liberals but disaffected from institutions, from political parties, very distrustful. there's one stat we had in here that jumped out, they want universal attitude. they love the idea of universal health care, think we should have it but the attitude toward

the affordable care act is as negative as the older generation, 4-10 saying they approve of the law. is there a guarantee they will vote democratic? >> not necessarily. they don't have that strong party identification. they might lean democratic or self-identify as liberal, but saying they are independent means the votes are up for grabs. there's a divide between the older half who were able to vote in 2004 and remember the iraq war and were politicized by that and were able to vote in 2008 in that presidential e lerks and politicized by the possibility and presidency of barack obama. you have a younger generation, the first time they voted for a president was 2012. you saw millenial turnout dipped. in 2013, the virginia governor's race is not an example for republicans on how to run a campaign, but if you look at the

turnout, cuccinelli, the republican candidate actually beat the democratic candidate by six points. if you look at the older half, the 25 and up to 30, he didn't beat the democratic. >> that's interesting. there's a split there. >> there could be. >> then there's the older generation, the clinton-dole race in 1996. we'll pick up after this break. ♪

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so, here is a piece of data that jumped out at me from this pew study about millenials and voting. in 2012, they counted for 18% of the electorate. 2020, they are projected to represent 38%, 4-10 voters in the 2020 election. they are going to become the heart of it. it's the first generation in modern history that is not getting a better standard of living than the generation

before them. how is that from the economics? >> i think that does -- is a big part of what pushed them to be more liberal. i also think there's this thing happening where there's no longer this cold war overhang to the political conversation for younger voters. they are not afraid of being called socialists or economists. that opens them up to being more willing to going further left than their parents were. there's another trend that indicates the liberal and democratic nature is going to continue into the future. it is the fact that not all of it, but a part of why they vote more democratic is because it's a more racially diverse group. so, not only do the white voters who are young vote more democratic than their white parents, but overall it's more racially diverse. >> 43% nonwhite. david, let's get to the question

of talking about the democrats. from a republican standpoint, what do you think, if there's one or two things it republican party could do to appeal, what would that be? >> it starts for them on how they talk about social issues. they don't have to change their position, but talk about it in a different way. that alone could go a little bit a long way with young voters. young people are the most in support of same-sex marriage of any generation. at least trying to avoid the words and language they use in the past. marijuana is an opportunity for some republicans who are more libertarian where they are in line on that issue. if you see rand paul going after berkeley on the nsa, i think there are a lot of issues that don't align with young people. >> we have somebody saying the kids like pot. >> thanks to david.

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truth. if she's telling the truth she will. we never had any conversations about this, ever. >> there's not going to be e-mails, phone records, tape recordings that come out that establish you knew about this. >> no. cause i didn't. >> but, one reason bridgette kelly might feel compelled to testify is how she is portrayed in the internal report released this week. kelly is one of the people reports authors did not talk to, it made conclusions about her mental state and it's possible role in the george washington bridge lane closures. the only four people to lose their jobs is kelly, baroni, goldstein and stepien and now david samson. the report says, quote, like the others involved in the lane realignment, events in kelly's

personal life may have had played a role in her state of mind. the lane realignment in mid august 2013 occurred around the time her personal relationship with stepien cooled. they stopped speaking. this is in reference to time for traffic problems. we and no one had talked publicly about the relationship, the personal relationship between kelly and stepien. it took the report to get it into the news. some people took strong -- they called it gratuitous and they were both single at the time. he called it a regrettable distraction with no place in the report. "the new york times" spoke with friends of kelly with one saying

i wa i wanted her to commandeer the ship through the storm. if you are going to throw her under the bus, she shouldn't be alone. the governor was asked about how kelly and hoboken's mayor stemmed. the men didn't receive quite as much scrutiny. >> do you think the report was fair to the women it talks about? >> i assume the only reason for that is they didn't get testimony or have documents that gave them a window into the emotional side of those folks. i don't think there was any other reason why it would have occurred. >> after that conference, the attorney for bridgette kelly released this quote, the sexist remarks concerning mz kell y have no place in what is alle

alleged. on one hand, mr. wildstein has taken one clear position. on the other hand, mr. mastro has a different view. her evidence could be critical in their competing versions of events. isolating miss kelly is not surprising. the statement says kelly is not a liar and if she is granted immunity, she will provide complete answers to the investigation. back to talk about all of this is wnbc reporter, brian thompson, liz smith who worked on jon corzine's 2009 campaign and in houston, brian weis, a friend of the show. brian thompson, i'll start with you. this really got interesting yesterday when the statement from bridgette kelly came out. david wildstein's lawyer has been out there pleading for a deal with the feds. now there's a competition here with bridge el kelly saying you

have the report. i can break the tie. i can tell you who is telling the truth or not. one of the questions is in the trenton world. does anybody believe the idea that this was wildstein acting with kelly's approval and no one else would have been involved? how credible is that idea? >> it's not totally credible. the belief, if there had to be somebody else involved in the chain. not necessarily, the governor, i have to say. there is no evidence that the governor knew in advance about this that i have seen. but, it's hard to believe that just these two people cooked it up. a lot of the belief is that, and i have to be careful here, i don't have a lawyer. a lot of the belief is that bill stepien may have had a role in this. indeed, their relationship could have something to do with it. the problem with the report

mastro put out is he speculated. it's a report used by a lawyer in summation, but not a fact finding report of the rigor that you would expect the governor would have asked for here. so, yes, it is hard to believe that bridgette kelly, who is high up in the governor's office had no contact with anybody else about this other than david wildstein. >> there was -- the report did say bill stepien's role is concerning. that is as far as the report goes. it doesn't implicate him. liz, i want to get to you. your personal life intersected with your professional life in a way that sort of sounds familiar. it sounds similar to what bridgette kelly is going through right now. for people who don't know, can you take us through what you went through recently and if what bridgette kelly is going

through you can relate to. >> it's not really apples to apples. my situation didn't involve professional conduct. mine involved me falling in love with someone who is high profile and a lightning rod. some people in the political and media community taking issue with that. more broadly, what she's going through, what any political woman who has gone through this will tell you, women in politics have to work ten times harder than men to get where you are. it's a boys club. it's a man's world. whether you are a female journalist, political operative or a female journalist or operative, you have to work ten times harder to get to where you are. when all your work is distilled into a headline insinuating you are premise cuous, it's hurtful. it affects you on a personal level. for me, i didn't see much of a

professional effect. personally, it is very taxing. >> let me play, christie was asked at the press conference about the state of mind of bridgette kelly and david wildstein. here is what he had to say. >> anything you ask me, which asks me to speculate on what david wildstein was thinking or what bridgette kelly was thinking, i'm not going to answer because i don't know. i'm not going to get into a speculation game. it will get me in a spot where i throw things up against the wall. i'm not going to do it. >> he won't do it, but the report had no trouble speculating or getting inside bridgette kelly's head. i want to bring you in because we have the lawyer for bridgette kelly characterizing the way this report treated bridgette kelly to try to discredit her in advance of a deal with federal

prosecutors. you have her saying we will cooperate if we get a deal. from a legal standpoint, putting it in a report, does it accomplish anything for christie's side? >> i'm a huge randy mastro fan. he's the real deal. look alt his resume and i can't think of anyone who is more compelling in the courtroom or outside of it than randy is. including this kind of information this this report, in my estimation was bush league. it's about credibility. if you want to tell about how bridgette kelly lied on a resume or had overdue library books, all of that is fair game. make no mistake, they are going to continue to ramp up their attacks on her creditability. to resort to something like her being emotional or she had a relationship with another player in this, from a legal standpoint and pr standpoint, make no

mistake, your viewers are the viewers in the court of public opinion, i think was bush league. >> when you see that statement from bridgette kelly yesterday, from her lawyer, their case for getting a deal with the feds. we had david wildstein's lawyers making his case, does one jump out to you as a more compelling case for a deal? >> boy. itis like anybody who watched "law and order" understands the first guy or gal to the courthouse gets it best deal. it's going to be interesting to see who does get the keys to the kingdom. but, at this point and nobody has been placed under oath, this report hasn't tested anybody in the cross-examination and unless and until that happens, i really think that vindication is really a yiddish word for whitewash. >> you always come up with a new line for this show. i appreciate that. it was new to us, anyway.

lis, i want to get back to the way bridgette kelly was treated. it touched a nerve among women. >> yes. >> i heard a lot of reaction and saw commentary. i wonder if randy mastro anticipated that. >> these are all the sexist slurs used against women in the workplace. they are the same used against hillary clinton when running for president. women are emotional, they can't deal with break ups. i'm sorry, i think we have all gone through bad break ups. it doesn't lead you to close down two lanes on the george washington bridge. it was a cynical ploy to distract from the many holes in this report. you know, the christie people were smart because what did the tabloids unwrap? the sex angle. >> that jumped out at me. you call around the new jersey

political world and on the grapevine, in the grapevine, whatever the term is, the idea there was a relationship here, but it was never aired in a public sitting or publication. >> quick. a couple qualifiers, the report talked about chris christie tearing up in the staff meeting. we have to give a little bit of cross emotional counter point. holly, the republican assemblywoman on your panel an hour ago told me afterward that the republicans on the investigation committee were concerned about some of this salacious material coming out in all the subpoena that is were being issued and the tone of the subpoenas. she says a couple of democrats on the committee says bring it on. so, there could be some -- >> they were okay. >> cross salaciousness that's not necessarily a one-sided let's go for the sexy stuff. >> that is a very interesting

possibility that is raised. i wonder if it will be pursued. i want to thank lis smith, brian thomas and weis. there is one part of the christie story that was mentioned by no one. it's a subject that came to light because of an interview on this show. we will have a lot to say about it. we'll share it with you tomorrow. next, texas abortion ruling and hobby lobby case for how, why and when they began fighting so hard against contraception and abortions. the answer may surprise you. . but add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance... ...and we'll replace destroyed or stolen items with brand-new versions. we take care of the heat, so you don't get burned. just another way we put members first, because we don't have shareholders.

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before wendy david put on a pair of pink sneakers restricts an abortion law, there were 36

women's health care clinics that did abortions. a third of them have classed. soon, the next requirements of the law go into effect, the number will be down to six or seven. the second biggest state in the country by area, the number willing dropped by more than 80% because of the law wendy davis tried to stop. things in texas could stay that way. a panel of judges says the law does not impose an undue burden of the life and health of a woman. in november, the current supreme court weighed in. the majority refusing to stop the law's implementation. they heard arguments in the case in which the plaintiffs, corporations say certain forms of contraception to end pregnancy. because they do that, they don't want to have to provide some or

all in their health plans. the affordable care act mandates they do so. the lead plaintiff in the case is hobby lobby. they have 500 arts and crafts stores with 13,000 employees. the lawyers argue before the court this week, their religious rights are being infringed upon with something that is against their conscience. no one is surprised the republicans in the texas legislature were sincere in their desire to restrict abortion. what might be surprising is how long they have cared so much about the beliefs and sought to implement them in policy. this is a relatively recent political phenomena. it's a matter of decades. you have jerry fallwell to thank. there was a compelling -- abortion found a prominent spot

on the agenda. it was only after he made alliances with catholic groups that anti-abortion found its way into the christian right. in the late 1960s, there was an agreement among social conservativ conservatives, abortion was justifiable in cases of rape and incest. good luck finding that today in the vast number of bills looking to restrict abortion. more is the shift in contraception. in a 2009 poll, 90% of those surveyed said they approve of contraception. the fight against the affordable care act has once again transformed the debate, raising the question of whether, like opposition to abortion, opposition to contraception might be part of the religious dogma in the political litmus test. we have bishop gene robinson. he's the first openly gay bishop

to serve. we have arin a reporter for msnbc.com who has been covering these issues. kris toll ball is back with us at the table. arin, i want to start with you on the hobby lobby case. the obama administration trying to defend the contraception mandate. representatives of hobby lobby makes the case that the family that owns this are devout christians. itis a company, but they are christians and shouldn't have to provide something that violates their faith. covering those arguments, what jumped out out at you? who won the day. go ahead and make a position you will regret in a few months. >> i would say what a week to think about how much judges matter. judges, as we know, are appointed as a result of elections. this is deeply politicized.

you talk about this changing views on contraception and abortion. i put it earlier. it was pat buchanan and nixon who said we have the opportunity to peel off southern evangelicals. it was another form of a southern strategy to use abortion as a strategy to capitolize on changing gender roles. as for hobby lobby, like the moved goalposts, you know, when this was first introduced by the obama administration, we are going to have all insurance plans cover contraception, the concerns were religious nonprofits. they were churches, they were exempt. there were charities, hospitals and universities. nobody was talking about for-profit corporations. all of a sudden now, the greatest infringement is a for-profit company cannot design it. >> the idea --

>> this has changed so fast. >> the idea, to reinforce, the idea of a slippery slope, if this is tossed out, if it's tossed out, the idea then becomes what can't people assert on religious grounds to deny anything. >> i was sitting in the courtroom. it was fascinating to hear what the three female justices came out swinging. paul who recollects argued the affordable care act case brought up that contraception is religiously sensitive. he says, wait a minute. what about things that are not religiously sensitive to you such as vaccinations. if we say one has religious liberty and if that liberty is violated by the insurance coverage for employees, not even anybody forced to do anything, just being part of an insurance pool, where is this going to lead. >> bishop, i wonder if you could

talk about that? we mention there's a po litization of the rise of the christian right. it jumped out at me in the 1970s, after roe versus wade, not a single question about abortion was asked in his confirmation hearings. today, that would be unthinkable. is contraceptions going the same way? this is a new issue for a christian right to promote and interpret into faith? >> we have seen this development and expansion of these calls for exceptions. as a religious person, let's face it, faithful religious people disagree about these issues. the greens and i claim to be followers of jesus. the jesus i know in my life and follow stood on the side of the poor and the marginalized.

here we have a spectacle which is offensive to me of christians using their religious beliefs to deny people their rights and to try to deny them the contraceptive methods that would actually prevent abortions. why aren't these antiabortion people gun ho for providing contraception to anyone who wants it? more than anything else, it will prevent more abortions. >> it's not the same as abortion. they say it ends a pregnancy, but it's not scientifically true. >> scientifically, there's no question about that. that doesn't seem to matter to people who want to see it that way. it's just a very upsetting to see so-called religious liberty used in this way. >> yeah. i think one of the animating forces here is the fact that there's a mythology that's

created on the right that white christians in particular are under assault. they are being persecuted. they are the victims of a heavy handed state and there's tolerance granted in all these areas, but not granted for, in this case, the corporation that wants to deny their employees popular methods of contraception. it's an animating piece. you can't separate it from the laws introduced to allow businesses to deny services to gay couples. i think they are very much related. they are trying to carve out narrow exceptions. even as society goes in a direction they are not comfortable with, they can keep their own piece of what they consider religious liberty intact. the part of it that doesn't make any sense is, if you believe in liberty and you believe in people being free to do what they want, then you come down on the side of the 13,000 employees of hobby lobby being able to

choose their health care versus being dictated by their employer. >> the direction politics are going with society moving in one direction and christian conservatives, now asserting, you know, religious, this is our religious beliefs, we want exemptions. the idea is hey, we'll leave you alone, you leave us alone. i want to pick it up in the next segment to ask if there's a way it could work. we'll talk about it after this. . [ sneezes ] except germ-free coworkers. thousands of products added every day to staples.com. [ click ] even protective suits. staples. make more happen. before chantix, i tried to quit probably about five times. it was different than the other times i tried to quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix varenicline is proven to help people quit smoking. it's a non-nicotine pill. chantix reduced my urge to smoke.

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us, you know, let the individual wedding photographer, if he doesn't want to do gay marriage, doesn't have to do it, let the florist not do the gay wedding. is there room for that for this idea of individuals making some, drawing a line and saying, hey, my small business, my personal service, i'm not going to provide to something i don't believe in. is there room for that? >> the metric has to be who else is harmed. it's not their individual refusal. you can argue the harm in a person refusing to serve somebody in a general, open for business situation, there is a harm. it's saying that person, you know, is not as valuable as another wedding. in the case of hobby lobby, the harm is substantial. the reason the obama administration put these in place is because we have a high rate of unintended pregnancy. we don't have access to

effective contraception. the harm there and kennedy raised this in the articlement, the harm is women who work in hobby lobby have different access to health care because of their bosses beliefs. yes, the restoration act was crafted so individuals could opt out of things that violated their beliefs, but i don't think it was intended to kind of enshrine harm to other people. >> what do you think about that idea, bishop. take the corporation aspect aside. the individual aspect, the bill in arizona that governor brewer vetoed saying individuals could refuse services based on their individual religious beliefs. what do you think of that, the idea that individuals should be able to sort of opt out? provide a service or something. is that -- what is your take on that? >> those of us in the gay, bisexual and transgender know

where it's headed. those in hobby lobby fund the efforts, including the one in arizona to get the bill against lgbt people. we know about the connection between abortion issues and contraception issues and lgbt issues. right after the fall of the berlin wall and the disillusion of the soviet union, a meeting was held. the next way to raise money are on these issues. so, it won't work. those of us in mainstream religion are not asking for this kind of protection. we live in a society, we participate in a democratic society. we don't need and we don't want these so-called protections and exemptions made for us. >> watch the positives play out in the republican party with a heavy concentration of evangelical christians. if you have that big of a segment of your party resisting

on laws like this and the broader society, the broader in the different direction, they have to resolve something here. >> it's a microcosm as well. what the base wants and what animates them is so dramatically different from what a majority of america thinks is appropriate and acceptable and the direction the country should be going in. you have this real clash where basically the solution has been thus far, let's try not to talk about gay marriage as much. let's try to not focus so much on abortion but at the state level, you see the same policies, the same extreme out there policies to most of america percolating and making their way up. this is what's popular with the base and this is ultimately what a lot of the base elected the legislatures to do. >> right, we are seeing that. the state legislature is the place to look. i want to thank bishop gene

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live from studio 3-a in rockefeller center usa, it's time for a special tournament of champions edition of "up against the clock." did you know, she's not just a shrewd political reporter by day, but one of d.c.s funniest stand-up comics by night. elahe. as a kid, she didn't have to read a book about a goat because she had a pet goat named crystal. say hello to krystal ball. the number three overall seed in the tournament who won $50 in parogi's, it's brian. now, the host of "up against the clock," steve kornacki. >> thank you, bill. thank you studio audience and thank you for tuning in at home for what will be the third and

final semifinal saturday in our tournament of champions. already, alex from national journal qualified for a spot in next saturday's first ever, "up against the clock" national game. in the big game will be decided right here, today in just a few seconds. will it be elahe, krystal or brian? the rules for tournament play remain the same. three rounds of play, they are 100 seconds each. the questions will get harder as we go along. contestants, you can ring in anytime. you will be penalized for a wrong answer. there are bonuses throughout the game. audience, please remain silent. no outbursts, please. with that, contestants are you ready? >> yes. >> sort of. >> good enough for me. 100 seconds on the clock.

the first round is allegedly accepting a bribe for $12,500 frr an fbi agent and dmangd it be used for -- >> the mayor of charlotte resigned on wednesday, correct. >> the move plans for a superpac for the elimination of all superpacs were announced by the son of what prominent -- >> krystal. >> thursday, the obama administration said this many americans enrolled in -- >> 6 million. >> 6 million americans enrolled in health insurance exchanges, correct. former president, george h.w. bush through his support behind the widow of this man, the architect of bush's campaign.

>> lee atwater. his widow is running for office. massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, steve grossman was in the throws of -- >> kidney stones. >> intense physical pain because he was dealing with kidney stones. 100 points. back with this. despite the team's creation of a new foundation -- >> redskins. >> incorrect. i'll complete the question. the foundation to support the native americans this top washington leader said they will change their name within three years. >> harry reid. >> correct. very confident. familiar with political battles, president obama on thursday visited this iconic sporting venue. brian? >> the coliseum. we have a close one, 200, 200 and brian 100 points behind.

these are the 200 point questions. a little harder, more valuable. we'll put 100 seconds on the clock. round two begins with this. holding a seat in congress for 14 years this house republican annoyanced -- >> mike rogers. >> he announced he will retire to be a radio talk show host. quote, obviously we were horrified was the reaction from -- >> mitch mcconnell's campaign over duke -- sorry. >> judges quick. we cannot credit you with that. sorry, i'll repeat the question. >> was the reaction mistakenly featured this question. >> duke university. >> this could double your winnings. in 1992, the most famous match up between duke and kentucky ended by this duke basketball legend. i have no idea. >> christian latener.

>> after citing a family conflict, this republican candidate will not take part in meetings held between top republican donor sheldon adelson. >> no guesses? >> senator rand paul. 200 point question, for a 74th birthday, nancy pelosi received several boxes of chocolate from house speaker john boehner. >> she's on lent, gave it up. ice cream. >> it was made in what ohio city? >> oh. brian? >> cincinnati. >> that is correct. this state that has highest minimum wage in the nation when raced -- >> connecticut. >> correct. in 2017, a $10.17 minimum wage. you are at zero.

ris tall 600 brian at 100. things can go crazy. this is the ph.d. level, 300 points where the winner will be crowned. 300 point round begins, 100 seconds on the clock with this. held wednesday night, the congressional committee annual dinner set a fund raising record featuring this high ranking bush official as the keynote speaker. time. it's condoleezza rice. 300 point question. after his turn in the role of frank underwood in requests house of cards." kevin spacey will portray this political leader in an upcoming film. time, winston churchill. is house ethics committee announced monday they would extend their investigation into this top ranking republican. >> kathy mcmorris rogers. >> 300 points.

a cabinet officer in three administrations, this harvard trained economist became better known for his work in national security passed away this week at age 85. we will call time. james sh lessinger. >> the prime minister of this british commonwealth announced he's bringing back knighthoods from the queen as a national honor. time. it's australia. 300 point question. in thinker first meeting, pope francis presented president obama with a book, "the joy of gospel. >> a box of seeds from the white house garden. >> we accept that. >> a vocal proponent of gun court reporting school, he illegally trafficked firearms. better known by this memorable

nickname. once again, i will call time. round is over. the game is over. the one left standing is krystal ball with 900 points. congratulations, krystall. you will play in the up against the clock national championship game next saturday against kate and sarah. bill wolf will tell you what you and the others will be playing for next week. >> congratulations. as today's winner, you've earned a spot in the up against the finals where you will face off for the tournament of champions grand prize. two amazing dinners at new york city's renowned restaurant. thanks, tom. and the fine dining experience, why, we'll throw in a bottle of wine. back to you, steve. >> all right. we have one more game left next saturday to crown our champion.

krystal. you've gotten a look at the competition so far. any fighting words you want to offer for kate or alex? >> i just hope that i don't embarrass myself. >> that is the confidence we have come to expect from championship contender krystal ball. she and alex and kate nocera will square off. what do we know now that we didn't know last week? our answers are after this. in the nation, we reward safe driving.

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and it's that time where we find out what our guests know now that they didn't know when the week began. we know that krystal will be a contestant. we know that he will be a candidate.

>> get a taste of that. >> brian, thanks to you. i know that the pennsylvania chapter of americans poor prosperity despite vicious antiobama care advocacy doesn't know a whole lot about health care policy. >> what are you saying, the poverty line in pennsylvania has been $94,000? >> turns out that's not true. >> we now know that bipartisan in washington is alive and well. they conspired on thursday to put up doc fix for a voice vote unbeknownst to many rank and file members. they puts it on the floor, just voiced it and it went through without people getting a chance to vote on it. >> we have a new way of passing legislation. >> exactly. let's do it with earniverything >> if i look like i don't have much sleep -- >> i was happy i fell asleep at halftime. this morning, i was okay, it's good. >> chris christie was at madison

square garden at iowa state/uconn. >> how's your bracket doing? >> three final teams went down. anyway, i want to thank krystal ball, brian, alahi. thank you for joining us for "up." on sunday i will try to talk to david brock. now he wants to make hillary president. also, one big glaring thing that nobody mentioned at chris christie's press conference yesterday. we will tell you what it is if you haven't guessed. we will share information about it. that's also tomorrow. stick around now because up next is mhp and melissa harris-perry is back on her show today. the obama's on the world stage, both the president and the first lady are on a sort of global campaign framing the role of the united states and the world a very particular way. is it working? stay here, nerdland is next. dad, why are you getting that? is there a prize in there? oh, there's a prize, all right.

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this morning my question, did you miss me, nerdland? plus, the pope, the president and the politics of the poor. and, how college football just might save the american labor movement. but, first, the president and the first lady take the globe by storm. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. this week the white house was utterly focused on president obama's signature piece of domestic legislation, the affordable care act. as we enter the final days of americans to secure insurance through online coverage, this campaign to ensure lack of --