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good morning i'm melissa harris-perry. can you feel it in the air? the excitement the fear? the deadline to sign up for health insurance under obama care. more than six million people have signed up for health insurance on the state and federal exchanges. and the administration took a bit of a victory lap this week. but dig down a bit and you'll find more interesting numbers. as or march 1st, 483,087 people signed up for the exchange in florida. in north carolina, 200,546

signed up by march 1st, and that is not counting those who have signed up by tomorrow night. and these are the same states led by these republicans. both refuse to expand medicaid. in florida, republicans tried to cripple the aca by banning navigateters to use state dollars to promote enrollment. in north carolina governor signed a law to prevent using federal dollars to set up exchan exchange. both look like they will out perform predictions. why? >> well partly it is because people who really need it. one quarter of floridians, and

these two states are among the 11 states targeted by enroll next. a pro aca, the group whose goal it is to enroll america has close ties to the obama administration and the backing of major industry players including insurance companies and hospitals. enrollment efforts in florida were built on the existing structure. and it relied on many of the same tactics to target the uninsured and extensive door to door canvassing. and time runs out tomorrow. if you want coverage you need to get enrolled. hit dvr, get signed up, but tomorrow does not end the

politics of the affordable care act. republicans will continue to run against obama care. they are going to try to run the enrollment campaign to victories in some unlikely places. joining me now, republican strat jit l gist lenny alsovar, christina belatoni and seton hall law professor. so nice to have you all here, so lenny, you should know i didn't mess up your name because you are a republican, i'm just terrible with names. for me i was legitimately surprised to see that both north carolina were out performing, they have stood in the way of it. how is the trend then with this sort of overenrollment?

>> that is a very good question. first of all, everybody, republicans and democrats we want all people to have health care. >> policy is supposed to help people get it. >> no question bit. our party created a series of changes that we wanted to see so that a, we wouldn't have thousands and millions of people left in the lurch so that we went to problems wi s with obae that we have seen. zero, that is the number of time that is senators hagen in north carolina senators in new hampshire are going to be seen with the president this election year. >> that is fair. i promise towards the end of the hour i'm going to mock democrats exception alley hard as a result

of the behavior of charlotte mayor. but in the meantime, i don't want to start with the assumption that republican ares don't want people to have health care and hope they have painful deaths while rich people have viagra. maybe someone does. but i do think it is fascinating to watch states that have trended red and is this the kind of thing that should be a bright light or a ray of hope for the democrats? >> you are finally seeing health care. i think when people go into their communities or churches and see these great networks that are alive in these states, you are seeing such big numbers, you have community centers participating, for those people it is about health care and getting that carter and signing

up and figuring out how to best get health care for your family. they tune out the politics. if that is number zero or one or two with obama it is not health care now. >> on the one hand i love the idea of people getting it because they need it. this could have negative effects. part of the problem is we need healthy people and sick people to sign up. but, there is a politics of the medicaid expansion. as much as i hear you say we didn't want people left out, the fact that we want governors to expand medicaid, it leaves others out. in addition to that, you are seeing the states that have set up their own exchanges. you are seeing those states set

up the federal enrollment. california has had a lot of good statistics. but the average percentage is 15% of eligible people are signing up and that is because of the patchwork system and you have the volunteers working the political network pour his re-election campaign. in idaho, the 5th highest where people 64% p of them hate the affordable care act. if i hate the affordable care act but i need my insurance. maybe i hate tax cuts but i'm going to take them on my irs form. but then does that translate plitly, do i then change my vote in the midterms come fall? >> you might.

but i think what you will see is that there is a real good reason why we have the affordable care act. and so, the question is, lenny talks about people wanting to have health care coverage. one party really pushed it. this is a long-term principle here. the democrats made this happen. they are going to say that is a party that is saying something that i care about. long-term they say this is what the party stands for. short-term, we'll see what happens. swr >> stay right there. when we come back. where do the republicans stand on expanding the aca deadline. it depends on which day you ask them. >> do you go to websites that are dot coms or dot nets. >> have you heard of health care.gov? >> here we go.

what did you come here to plug? >> first of all, i wantouldn't with you here today if he didn't have something to plug. >> i heard about that, why would you guy that created the zoom to create your website. >> it works great now.

now the official deadline to sign up for a health care plan in the affordable care act exchanges is still midnight tomorrow night. it will allow extra time in line but not able to complete the sign up in time. >> so the president decides to delay part of the law that this

last week or the week before the secretary of health and human services will not be done. when is the law not the law anymore. when is it just swiss cheese. >> you check the box here on an honor system. i would say this is to infinity and beyond. what they are planning is that people can enroll when ever they want to enroll. they want to get to their numbers and let's face it. this is an admission of failure. >> he hasn't put enough loop holes into the law already. they are resorting to an honor system to enforce it. is this a joke? >> it is sort of funny. like the bill hr-4118 to delay the penalty for not signing up for health insurance in one year. hr-4015 which would delay the

penalty for five years. so which is it? delay or not delay. i mean, you know, this is the part that makes it feel like we are playing politics with a policy that is meaningful for people's lives. it is similar with medicare part d. where he said you can have more time to sign up. but the other part is i don't get the argument. is it saying the american people are lie ars. they are going to lie to you when they sign up. i don't think it gets them anywhere. if the argument is that it doesn't work. then stick to that. more people shouldn't sign up why? >> any honest broker should look at anything a c minus or a d. now that we are moving towards a

mit term exam and i think part of what you are hearing is oh e ponants some say it is an f. honestly, how would you grade where we are now? >> right now we are moving towards the b's. my students are worried about what kind of grade i am. it was a failure at the start. the point is to make it happen. if they are moving towards getting an a. everybody should be cheering that. if there is a way in which we should make sure that more people get health care, there has been a law that has been passed and we need to say how can we best implement that so that those who are eligible can get it. to complain because it is the president, it is tiresome. >> i want to show you the white house.gov, did post this.

and so they are doing all of their sign up. they posted this statement from a writer who says, i'm a staunch republican. a self proclaimed fox news addict. i'm here to tell you obama care works. he was a patient who was spending $428 a month and it feels to me, i hear that he is not going to run next to president obama and those kinds of statements are going to be against the mark beardans of the world. time is running out. elections are going to be in november. numbers are going to continue to change. time is going to run out for democrats and acau as a political tool. of the democrats or the republicans? >> of the democrats. the challenge for both parties is whether you are a republican or democrat.

we want certainty. we want certainty that gov is going to do what they say it is going to do. i'm okay of being the person who is odd man out here. i think if you look at the numbers across america. obama care and those are great. i would like to see how many have paid are not going to be good enough and the polls show, right now, obama care not popular with a broad group of americans. there are a lot of concerns where they aren't sure if they are going to be penalized or not. >> i'm 34 years old. i've been lucky since i started being employed since 1998. they have signed up for health care for the first time.

p freelance writers. my mother can kind up and not be divided through her work place. these are areas where little bits and pieces improve for people. and they might not turn out in november. >> that is where i want to go as soon as we get back from the commercial. i want to look at that coalition of 2012. when we look at women and african-americans and young people 18-29. you see those are the people who were the president's 2012 coalition. they are the people who are being targeted in a critical way. will that targeting make a difference? >> first, as we continue to follow this is the search for the missi ining malaysia airlin flight.

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like the congressional black caucus's efforts this week to encourage african-american to enroll by posting pictures of congressional members by holding signs black men enroll. it's efforts stem from the fact

that african american men are at serious health issues. so, i get it, i get targeted marketing, right, but i felt like oh, you know, the youth marketing is like what old people think among people want to hear. i don't know, what do you make of these market efforts? >> it is multi layered though. between two firms that is getting at young people who aren't paying attention to news at all. the website got this in flux of traffic and you are seeing people out there throughout the south trying to sign up poor people. they are also the kind of people that are being targeted to respond to where they people

republicans have over reached. you have a lot of elements and they are going to move a few and they are trying to do that. it is a political maneuvering. with medicare. they had to pay $2 million and they got 93% of eligible people in the first year to sign up and you can't do that when you have a politicalen environment now. you have to have that person who believes in barack obama and we had decided to do this and it was like snl was reading our rundown. they were talking about this targeted marketing. >> all right now let's bring in kim kardashian, harry styles, a cat and batkid. >> this is so amazing.

oh my gosh, i love history. you know, hey, you are the president right oh, my god. they took my phone away from me. three, two, one. >> i mean, you know, it is sort of mocking it. but it feels like there is a difference between structural organization building and the same building that could be deployed for get out the vote efforts for this same group. versus the efforts we saw. i loved it and it did have this viral effect but i wonder if it could be transferred two the fall. >> it works now. if you asked them in september before the problems how are you going to reach out. they would say don't worry. we got young people to vote in 2008 and 2012 we can do it. you have to bring the message to where the young people are and

yes, we want to see more of that. that's how you are going to make all of this work if you use the people that young people consider important, and you bring the message to where they are. >> they are not going to come to you. >> i want to show one more. well their moms of course. let's look at this one. >> taking care of yourself so your mothers can sleep and have a nice life after all they have done for you. please get covered. do it for your mom. we nag you because we love you. >> those are celebrity moms. and of course the mom in chief, first lady michelle obama. >> we have to take this a little old fashioned between the firms but you have to find every possible way to reach people. the affordable care act is for

everyone. you are going to get 24 year olds and everyone in between. that is going to be north and south and whatever effort it takes we have to think about how to make a broad approach to everyone in the country. it is not about voting in one day. it is about having health care for your life. that is about every day. >> people dislike obama care and if you go out and ask people in the framework you will get negative responses. if you get people with specific policies within it. what that suggests to me is that opponents have been effective at branding and at branding obama care if you are for the things

that are under it. could you lend it to the democrats so that we could get people signed up? >> i wanted the opposite. i wants the president's branders on some days. i don't have a problem with what the affordable care act approach is with these viral means. i would love to see these take place with mary landers in louisiana. the challenge for them is. i think this is happening not because they want to do this. but because they have to do this. and the electorate that is up for play is different than what they are trying to reach. so, i'm all for it. is it going to work in november? >> probably not. stick with us. we need to take a break. when we come back. we are going to have pearls from

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senate this fall. he and his team determined that in the 36 u.s. senate races in november. democratic seats are likely to be lost with four other senate races classified as toss ups. only six seats are needed to give the democrats control. they are forecasting models by saying um-hum. they have deposed king silver from thhis thrown. the democratic senate campaign committee sent this tweet.

the dscc sent out a memo attempting to discredit silver warning that he might be right if he failed to mobilized. senate majority leader took a shot on friday saying quote all polls are like nate silver's predictions. good sometimes bad most of the time. he made clear that nate harper wasn't over rated. because this is sill layhilario expressed thoughts about it. >> a lot of people in poll teit like the part of things, it is a complicated world to figure out sometimes. objectivity, i am saying that

though, i'm saying that you have all of the answers. we know jon stewart is kidding. with the way that we are responding to stewart. are we kidding ourselves? >> republican strategist, christina belantoni. i want the two of you, i want you guys to respond the way that you would if you have already campaigned. is this the most productive way for you to respond. you come out and say who you are trying to get them to give money saying this is going to be close. nate silver does a good job saying we are in a tough spot.

it is a rallying cry. i don't see a need to panic. it is march. you are making your best predictions today saying it is close. i'm sure we could talk for hours and hours and agree that it is going to be close. and now we have more prove of that. >> that is reasonable. you say here is a guy whose models and forecasting we have previously accepted and reasonable. instead they are like that guy can't count. numbers can't show you numbers in march. numbers are relevant. they are not crystal balls but data matter. well, it goes to show in politics if you live long enough you see everything over and over. >> sometimes you have to live two years. >> that is right. it is unbelievable. the story here is again,

democrats having to do something because they have to. the person who predicted correctly because they would win last year is predicting the opposite. what is surprising is that they should be smarter than what they did. on twitter they said he was wrong. >> this is the end of the first quarter deadline. it is a shell game. they are raising an alarm look, we stand a chance of losing here give us your money. people want to back winners, if it sounds like the goose is cooked. >> that is helpful to me. if you want to create a sense of urgency, that said, one of the ways that democrats have been trying to mess sage thage themvs

different and separate. is by saying oh, the right doesn't care about data. their climate changed and they are out of touch with science. i say come on guys, you are going to have to embrace a reality that you claimed was valuable to you. >> well yes, if you read all their statements carefully. they say he is right on some things but some of them predict that his race is wrong. but you are right. >> did you take steps 101 that is what probability is. >> at some point you can't think, this is a tough elect and you can't hope to win elections, that is not going to happen every time around. >> it happened this week. >> it is a tough itatisituation.

>> you know it is going to be tough. >> the key thing is to tay csta consistent. >> take the data and build on it. >> i think this goes back to something lenny said earlier. these are people who won with the president in 2008 and have been move ago way from them. i was making mun of governor christie and his self presentation as not being presidential. it feels to me that one of the things that the right gets right is being like yeah, that's me take it or leave it and they may have a better chance if they went ahead anded to run. yeah, that is my guy. we did this and that and embraced being blue. embrace who you are and be who you are and there are ways that the president could connect.

the democrats are effective at. we are talking about about president clinton playing the sax. there are ways that democrats have been successful. we need to embrace who we are. and chris christie he embraces who he is. they aren't out there openly chris sizing the president. these democratic senators we have been mentioning. they are going to take his fund raising money. they are on message with what he says. with his numbers going up. his name is going to be on fund raising requests. with the data issue. think about the congressional budget office scoring. they are completely meaningless. look at the estimates with the issue war but people use them to

their advantage because this is part of the came that is played in washington. maybe it is the in tro stats professor in me that numbers can tell you anything. no they don't. he doesn't care if the republican ares or democrats win. he is making a suggestion about what the forecasts are showing them. he had a very bad week and a bit of political hail storm of shame. let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] woman: [laughs] no way! that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know. cfp -- work with the highest standard. so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential?

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nate silver's prediction was just the start of a no good week. only since november resigned wednesday after being arrested by the fbi. a three and a half year long investigation found multiple instances of the former mayor

taking $48,000 of cash and other benefits for special access to his administration. he could vet up to 50 years in prison and a fine. the same day that he was arrested california state center w senator was arrested at his home. with the 137 page long after day variety authorities claim that he was negotiating the terms of an international gun trafficking deal ted pedaling the weapons t undercover fbi agent. california senate 28-1 to suspend yi who had been known as a strong advocate for gun

control. usually i come not bearing gifts as lovely as these. we are talking about p a state senator. but when you have a state senator who is doing a gun ru g running ring these are the things that have huge effects right on the party as a national entity. >> even for a politician these are amazing incredible. so i, i think that they had a horrible week and these aren't happening in a vacuum. it is happening at a time when increasing numbers of voters are giving the republican party another shot because they are seeing the president have the worst year of thhis administratn ever. >> so, here is what i'm going to disagree with you. i don't think this is -- my

concern isn't that this causes people to go, i'm going to vote for the republicans who clearly ha are clean and scandal free. but rather that it makes people go man, i can't believe in anybody. this young kid gets elected in charlotte to be the mayor and this young man who is a gun control advocate. it turns people away all together. >> it chips away democracy. we don't trust anybody and it is a real problem. >> people have the scandals but on a macro level, democrats, who ever it is need to be campai campaigning and thinking about these issues from strength. they are running away from obama care. voters want to see you as strong. you want to lean into the strengths that you have. and block out the noise. at the end of the day, that is what matters.

it might be obama care and health care as a whole. it is easy to get lost in the sound and all of that, but you have to focus on what you have. >> when people turn off, when the electorate chips away at democracy by feeling like i don't want to be part of it, it has a stronger impact. we know that high turn out elections tend to benefit the party. >> and voter hes who are excited for something tend to come out in bigger numbers when they have that group mentality like we are in this together. 41% of people turned out in the midterm elections. when you are a democrat and you don't love what the republicans are doing forget it. >> i want to ask a nitty gritty get out the vote question.

if the mayor of charlotte that has gonna way. will they reclaim that senate seat in north carolina? >> these are the urban centers where those mayors have to ac vate those bases. does canon's bad behavior impact kay hagen? >> does the mayor, the former mayor, is there a team of his that was moving voters day-to-day or another set of folks. but no doubt if there is a mayor that has a strong power base then that can have a negative impact. who steps up in that vacuum to get people out to vote. >> you are going took hang out with me longer. thank you to our guests for being here. they are going to stick around for the rest of the show. coming up, i want to share with

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was a core teaching. the highest part of the afterlife was the practice of this. he followed the practice of this church taking three wives sigh mul tainiously. here is a picture of him posing with his 4th wife. this was after this first three wives had passed on. his hometarytory of utah was now under the legal jurisdiction of the federal government including the edmonds act which made oh habitation of more than one woman a federal offense. either obey the federal

government's law and go against his faith to his wives or obey god's law and become a criminal in the eyes of the country. he refused to divorce his wives and was under arrest are for the edmu edmund's act and was sent to prison for six months. we find the point of this blast from my past because this week the supreme court heard arguments from plaintiffs who are trying to do the same thing. conservative christian couple are seeking to defy federal law. there is a huge family between

their family and mine. they want to include their mill ti billion dollar corporation. they are the owners of hobby lobby. they are objections of four kinds of contraception. they are arguing that their company should be allowed to deny their employees coverage for those contraceptives. it would make hobby lobby as much a person of faith as much as my great grand daddy frederick. >> kristina belantoni and author

of america's unwritten constitution. welcome to all of you. i need you here at this table because hobby lobby oral arguments were this week and many of us ignored what you wrote about how justice roberts was going to rule in the aca decision all of us were shocked when you had already known. you are sort of the nate silver of this. when you look at the claim and the oral arguments what do you think is likely to happen? >> prediction is a dangerous business of the future. >> i should stop while i'm ahead. i think that the justices will follow the law. and i think the oral argument can be misleading at this point in the game in the affordable care act in the case.

chief justice roberts was tentatively leaning the exact opposite way in which he actually ruled. he changed his mind. when you particularly dig deep into the case. so i think the law rightly understood should be that hobby lobby at the end of the day will lose it's case but not because it is a corporation and not because this is a for profit. but because at the end of the day the rights of the employees are -- outweigh the claims of the religious conscious. they are being asked to pay and compensate their employees the same as every other employer has to do.

to give them an exception would be unfair but they will probably about able to bring the case and the fact that it aa corporation and a family corporation and the fact that it is for profit won't be a bar. >> i want to listen to hobby lobby's attorney. towards the end about the fact that this is a different kind of a company. let's take a listen. >> talk about the extent in how you would apply these principles to exonn. it is no accident that claims that you have before you in these cases are brought by small, closely held corporations that have firmly held beliefs. >> as i hear that and i hear okay, yes, we want to expand it to a corporation but we are not

talking about exxon. we are talking about the corner kosher deli to sell pork. and you can't do that, that is unreasonable thing because of our religious beliefs. is it possible that they would rule that there is an extension of that around our religious beliefs? >> it doesn't go as far as an exxon or general motors? >> i think that is the idea that the folks who own the company, they own the whole company and they direct the company and they administer the company. no one person owns exxon. certain kinds of corporations might be treated as extensions of the family. but in a kosher deli company,

who is untreated by selling pork? >> and your employees who may not be kosher are allowed to eat bacon when they go home. >> that is the key point. >> the rights of the employees are very key. they are saying employees you can't use the compensation you earned on the services that you want. and that is where i think the rights are. >> imagine, one of those 20,000 says actually access to health care is part of my religious. so when you have 28,000 employees it is a different situation than your great great grand father and his family of co religionists. >> i want to listen to justice elena kagan who makes the argument about the scope of this.

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so, justice hagen there is suggesting that making corporations into people with religious objections but also once we do that the kinds of things that folks individually object to could become deeply problem attic. take this to sunday mornings, i wake up on sunday mornings craving chik-fil-a.

and they aren't open. shareholders were argue that you are leaving revenue on the table on the lord's day of church and you are alienating a large group of americans. there is a bifurcation here. most americans i don't believe heard of before this case and the big ones who could never do anything like this. in fact, the likes of starbucks were providing same sex benefits. >> years in advance. there are ways that we can think of hobby lobby as small. they are not small businesses. i think part of what happens in this course about the greens and their family business. it seems as though the federal government is improosing this

thing. >> if you go down the road of small businesses that is going to be a lot of people besides opening the flood gates is this fear that corporations may stop following laws. if you get into that and businesses believe they can make more money an avoid that it could be a problem. >> senator rand was saying well it is one thing for it to have applied to public institutions but for me, this hobby lobe yirks is this a rand paulian argument?

>> these are the reasons that arizona government retview towe that measure to discriminate against same sex coupled. there is a fine line here. >> you have gone too far indeed. >> here is a organization that should be allowed to discriminate. the church. >> the catholic church says that men should only be priests. >> that is the affordable care act. but think about the things we are talking about. contraception, iud's whether that is the morning after pill. this is an issue that affects unmarried women. the coalition we were talking about, those are the women that are more likely to vote for democrats. they are watching this to see whether there will be reverb rations for republican ares.

>> you brought us back to an important point. it is about women's reproductive rights. this comes up as an issue around reproductive rights. i want to listen to my favorite justice squleah. >> and then i'll ask you bit. but when i hear the justice not making an argument based on law. not only did it make him feel as though the birt control worked, is there something to be said that the fact that scalia is

central. >> he says all sorts of things in oral argument. he thinks the rule of law should be rules. he doesn't love these balancing formula. i don't know what the category is. in this jur wriist prudence is,n they are in a house of worship or within a marriage, maybe then the government should back off and let religious observance prevail. but when non religious participants are up, or the

larger public. and when there is unfair competition and some companies have to pay low wages, that is when the law should prevail. >> we've got more on this. that is the clean rule. and a little more on the politics as well. but first, bells are ringing across the pond. at the stroke of midnight saturday, rainbow flags were poist hoisted to secelebrate the new . this is quite the fact offen land. they were promoting homo sex quality. for this i say cheers to the people of england and wales. [ male announcer ] dayquil cold and flu doesn't treat all that. it doesn't? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast-acting antihistamine.

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entities related to the company are two of the largest donors are related to investing tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars working in concert to advance an agenda which would allow businesses to deny employees agendas. requiring women to undergo an l ultrasound and defining marge as union between a man and a woman. we talk about it as a religious freedom corporation. but i mean this is about pushing something. this is such a big story and

struck such a nerve around the country and all these different states. limiting when you can get an abortion. generally. and so when you see connections like this, you think aha, this is part of something bigger, part of the last five years when the laws have sky rocketed. i think if the justices rule for the hobby lobby, i wonder if you are going to hit a tipping point in the streets. >> i mean this shouldn't bear in the legal question. it shouldn't bear on the legal issues but it should matter to us to ask for example how citizen's united impacts our elections and it could create a corporate set of rights that could impact who we are.

let's step back and fault the people in the white house that needed to deal wit. >> maybe i would have gotten a 15 on that test or something. but shouldn't this stuff have been codified somehow that is not a special package for contraceptives that you give the alternative to your employer? >> allow me to tell you farther to the left that this is the problem of your employer providing your health insurance and that the core issue here, like i don't really want by university to be providing the health care. >> that is what leaves this

terrible territory. if you are thinking gosh i'm not a permiss cue wis person, and i fit the other qualifications, i feel like i should be shamed about this. and that is a terrible by product in what is going on in this conversation. you leave that air. it is almost shaming if you want to take it to the second degree. it was supposed to cover americans leaves that loop hole and has me questioning. >> i get it. i get why single pair was a problem. i feel like in this moment you stand up and say hello america. this is why single pair had a certain value. they have made a lot of compromises to be able to pass this. it gets a privacy issues and going back to what we were talking about before the break.

there is a huge price differential and you can take the argument down, there are going to be fewer unwanted pregnancies. elections have consequences and the laws that he was talking about with the switch in state ledge sgisla legislatures that believe that birth control pills are like abortions. >> why are we having this conversation? >> we are talking about the religious right. >> it is important that there has been a religious left. they are the ones that give us the civil rights bakt and on many issues the catholic church has been very good. let's remember that we believe in religious liberty.

this is why i wanted to start this whole thing talking about to make the point that very, individuals have a right and whether or not people think plil mi is okay is separate. they come into conflict with law and we as americans set out space for those individuals. whether or not corporations should be allowed to opt out of this legal fairness is something quite different. stay with us we are about to talk about gwenyth paltrow. is it the only thing raising eyebrows this week? [ ambient street noise ] ♪ ♪ ♪

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someone has figured out how to work and raise children. a 9:00 to 5:00 job. i think it is different when you have an office job. it is routine you can do all the stuff in the morning and come home in the evening. when you are shoot egg moing a e need you to go to wisconsin for the day. i think to have a regular job and be a mom. it is not like being onset. okay. plenty of mothers who do work 9:00 to 5:00 jobs were quick to respond. pointing out challenges like affording child care and a full-time job leaves ample free time. for the women who live in poverty in the united states the struggle is to find work to pays a living wage. women make up 67% of minimum

wage jobs. and there are those who went on a job interview last friday. she could not afford child care during the job interview. she is homeless. she brought her kids with her and left them in the car. when she came back from the interview she was arrested of two felony accounts of child abuse. her children were taken and this morning she is still in jail. to address workplace challenges for mothers we need to focus on policy that centers on the needs of low wage working women. joining us is the director of the food labor research center at uc berkeley. so nice to have you here. so, it is easy to beat up on

gwenyth paltrow. but it does seem to me that what she touches on in that moment is kind of the poverty shaming and the complete unawareness of the difficulty of actually managing full time work and parenting. and the reality that she doesn't seem to know is that in this day and age most people are working two jobs to make ends meet. the restaurant industry is one of the largest employers of women in the united states. these are tipped workers servers, bartenders and runners. they work irregular hours and they are living off tips. the wage has not risen from

$2.1$2 $2.13 in the last 23 years. they are going entirely to taxes and they are working multiple jobs and their income fluctuates. imagine paying for child care when you don't know what your income is let alone not knowing what your shift is going to be. >> there was a great open letter to paltrow that captured one part of it i want to put a finger on. thank god i don't make millions filming one movie per year. every morning as i wait on a windy metro north platform about to begin my 45 minute commute into the city. i thought, my 45 minute commute into the city. this goes to the idea that some of the thing that is we think of

as policy could make an enormous difference. it is public transportation. >> how about services that have been cut and cut and cut that might have provided low cost or free daycare or health services for kids or a policy for how many days that you can take off? >> what if you need to pick your kid up at school because they got beat up. my mother worked three jobs and one of the reason s we lived in an expensive area is because my frand p grandparents were there. >> we are having this conversation now about paid sick

leave and universal pre-school the old laws were designed for the situation that you had one bread winner. that is not america anymore. you have to update those laws. >> for some communities that was never america. that is not descriptive of african-american communities. but i want to go back quickly to what you said. folks know that we have a new baby. one of the realities is that we live an intergenerational households, the fact that she could choose not to work because there was medicare. when we think about p the grand parents being available. they are available when there is a support network for elderly

people. >> this speaks of the unfairness of our entitlement system. the aar are p fighting on their be half. they have medicare and the social security benefit that george bush 43 passed through. lactation benefits and i wonder if somebody did a fund analysis. the bang for the buck that you would get in covering everyone from 0 to 4. if on a maslovian level that concern for mothers is mitigated if they can go out and continue to feel like productive tax paying mothers in society >> this speaks to bigger issues. ji love your point about that.

i love the idea of the need in young people. but also the intergenerational in that it is not clear to me that it will be available when i'm 70. if i need child carry might still be working and stay with us we have more on all of this. up next women and wages. could the push be the mother of all political issues. >> how can we look at men and women providing basic services to us all, cleaning our offices, serving in our restaurants how can we say they don't deserve enough pay to take them out of poverty? do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need

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>> that was president obama in one of his most recent efforts to raise the minimum wage to $10.10. it is a smart political move for the white house heading ip inie midterm elections. combining it with a key electoral democrelect tore al demographic. the white house released a new report on raising the minimum wage and the tipped minimum wage and the report finds that it would find workers directly benefiting from the wage. >> we are trying to think about women as political actors. and as part of that i gave an interview where i tried to think

through the policies including yin ver universal policies extending benefits and affordable reproductive services. and all of those kinds of things. the strategy question is, those kinds of things is it strategic to sell them as mother's policy? >> i believe so, we have gone across the country talking about the minimum wage for tipped workers. a huge portion of those women at 67% are on this lower minimum wage and our friends in congress give away the tipped workers at the end of the debate they are giving away the moms. >> on the politics level.

this is something that should be attracting democrats and republicans. you pay people more and you boost up your consumer economy. and it is all so often times there is an attempt to gram it as a business issue. the retention is better. workers do it and the problem in this economy and why this is such an uphill battle is there is so much slack in this workforce. people have moved on. you know income and equality has not been this bad in decades. people not seeing their wages increase while others are taking home max come wages. >> women make the majority of

financial decisions in households. whether that was on purpose or just as work. you saw the mommy patriots where they are going after specific women to make decisions. you see more and more of the conference chair woman for the house republicans. she gave the state of the union rebuttal. the most popular line is when women succeed america succeesuc. >> when you say the mothers, whether or not we think of them as good and worthy mothers or bad mothers who in fact are deserving of our contempt. so these mothers who need to stop having babies. >> what happened to the greatest love of all? >> teach them well and let them lead the way. it is not about the mothers it

is the children. right. but we are cutting the benefits. those are the comments from a couple of weeks ago. >> certain people don't know how to work and they don't know how to work. it is a cultural issue for him and that is the problem. >> not just for him. as much as i despise what ryan said it is the left and the right for a long time. >> there is a huge loophole for corporate welfare. department stores can pay their workers so little. >> that is private property. >> i'm saying it is hard out here for movie stars and multi billion dollar corporations. up next the more on monday campaign is on the run again. pushing back again right wing

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we've been keeping a close eye on the expansion of the ongoing grass roots moral mondays movement ever since its inception in april 2013. you might remember back in june i spent some time down in north carolina with the leader of the movement, revenrend william barber. its plan to restrict voting rights, and jobless benefits. just a little more than a week ago, 39 people were arrested during georgia's moral mondays protest, which expanded to that state in january of this year. also in january, like moral mondays, truthful tuesday began in south carolina to bring attention to lawmakers promoting an extreme legislative agenda. the expanse of the state's most

vulnerable, children, the elderly and the poor. now in missouri, republican leaders are pushing legislation to increase waiting periods for abortions, implement voter i.d. laws, cut medicare, and get rid of federal gun control laws. my guest today is not having it. planning of a possible moral mondays missouri movement is happening next week. joining me from st. louis is one of the leaders and organizers of the moral mondays missouri possibility. university of missouri professor reverend karl w. kennedy ii, who is also a dear friend about whom i wrote in my first book. reverend kennedy, very nice to have you here today. >> it's good to be present. first, let me thank you, congratulate you, james and parker on adding a bundle of joy to the nerd land family. >> thank you, reverend kennedy. so look, i knew you during the time that we were both living in north carolina when i was in graduate school and actually attending your church. and i guess part of what i'm interested in is what is it you

think that north carolina has to offer to missouri in terms of political organizing? >> well, i think what's taking place across the country is this moral movement that congregations, everyone from anglican to atheist, baptist to buddhist are beginning to question extreme politics. i think north carolina offers some insight related to how to become a moral voice. in mouse, what we're doing is we're gathering this clergy to have conversations about what it would look like to have a movement that is structured under this principle of dignity. every human being deserves honor and respect, and what will happen on thursday is our semi -- our midterm dignity test. we're asking politicians whether or not they passed that dignity test, and what we're seeing in missouri is they're failing that test. >> so why is the language of morality, ethics, dignity -- why

is that the relevant language for the generation of the social movement rather than words like democrat, liberal, progressive? >> well, i think that's taking place is this transcendent political parties. in missouri, it's not really about republican and democrat. it's about lobbyists, and lobbyists against everybody else. and so in missouri, it's the only state where there are no limits on lobbyists. there are no rules limiting campaign contributions. and we're discovering that the lobbyists are running amuck in our state, and therefore, the moral authority is needed. you know, our state motto is the welfare of the people is supreme law, and we're discovering that that's not the case in our state when it comes to medicaid expansion and when it comes to this proposal before the senate, senate bill 694 that will remove the cap on payday lending loans. and we're really troubled by

that. >> i want to listen to a bit of a conversation that i had with reverend barber last year in north carolina about why moral mondays is necessary and have you respond to that. >> it was time to engage in a moral strategy that would shine the light on this extreme ideological regressive movement that's happening in our general assembly, and to stop it before it spreads even worse across the south. >> so, reverend kennedy, he says the word "strategy." it seems to me that there is an actual training going on here. part of what i have claimed about moral mondays is it seems like an actual movement, not just a hashtag, but an actual movement. what kind of strategy is important for you all? >> i think reverend barber would agree that every state has to have an indigenous strategy. they have to consider the culture and context of that community. we're engaging with reverend barber along with the

businessdom of those across the country to help inform us on how we will develop a strategy that fits our particular state context. it is important that we do that. i also believe that it's important that there be some cohesion nationally. i think what will happen, missouri won't resemble north carolina's moral monday. it will be a bit different based on our particular concerns in our community. but i do think that we have to claim some form of connection based on our outward cry, our national cry. to go back to some type of moral voice. we can't allow the extremes to define what it means to be moral people. >> reverend carl kennedy, it is lovely to see you again. thank you for joining us this morning. that's our show for today. i have a little congratulations to send out. my husband's first mini triathlon this morning. see you soon when i get home. i'm going to see all of you in nerd land next saturday at 10:00

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